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The story of Christ is a beautiful story. Unfortunately, it's Heru. And the story of God the father is a beautiful story, but that's a saw. The story of the mother of God is beautiful, but that's our set. But you have to understand the story from a sequential way.
All right, we are live. Welcome back everybody. Uh, we had to hit the record button because Kaba was already dropping some knowledge on me. I said, let's let's jump into it. Let's jump into it. So, thank you guys for tuning in again. Um, man, we're back with a very special guest. Needs no introduction at all. Uh, unless you're new to this channel, you've seen this brother on many of our videos, many of our podcasts. Uh, you've seen him in Out of Darkness. You've seen him in Heavy's the Crown volume one and two. I call him Dr. Cabba Kame. Brother Cabba Hayawata Kame, welcome back to the show, my brother. How you feeling?
My brother Amadeus, I'm feeling excellent this evening, brother. And more excellent now because we get this chance to talk to the community and I and I get to uh chop it up with you, brother man, because much respect to all the work that you're doing and how you are inspiring all of us to do what we do.
Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I wanted to talk about um I wanted to talk about your books first. Um, but what I brought up before we jumped on here is I was mentioning to you that I was embarking on my journey as an author and um I'm developing an IP and I'm I'm I'm working on the first novel right now. You know, I I know we're in the digital age and I wanted to get your opinion on uh your experience with physical books versus ebooks in the Kindle. For me myself I'm into physical books but because of the nature of space ebooks also have their place.
Right. Books that I need to touch or touch me I need physical so I'll I'll put you know when I used to visit Dr. Clark's house, his books was like on the floor in his living room and they would go up, you know. Yeah. Dr. Ben, too. When I went to Dr. Ben's house, you know, you know, I know that we always try to keep our houses neat and clean. I understand that. But when you're dealing with a scholar, that mind isn't there. You want to keep things neat. But there are things particularly for their generation before digital and I tell people how fortunate we are to have ebooks uh to be able to have a passport that can hold two two terabytes of information. I'm from the generation that really appreciates this because I tell people I'm from the uh cut, you know, I'm from the typewriter generation. So when I say cut and paste, I mean scissors and glue, you know. So I work with Dr. Chancellor Williams in the spring of '84 and he was living in a senior home and he was legally blind at this time. And he was very disturbed. He was he he was very hurt because for whatever reason the house that he was in his entire library had been destroyed. I never really delved into whether it was flood or fire. It didn't make a difference because I was really dealing with the emotion of what he was telling me about the experience he had and losing all all of that. And and during our conversations and during what it was that we were doing because actually I was writing the book on William Leo Hansburg and he was a student of William Leo Hansburg. That's why I connected with him to talk to him about that. And I often thought if someone like Dr. Chancellor Williams had been living in today's generation, all of his work would have been on a passport. And so although he might have been devastated by the loss of his books and his writings, he still had it. And sometimes I think we don't realize how precious this is.
The cloud. Okay. To have things in the cloud. Cuz when I was first doing my work um flash drives, I didn't have flash drive. And I remember one time I got up and my my screen was black. I lost everything. Just like Dr. Williams lost, I lost everything because I didn't have flash drive or passport. And so the question you ask is very important in terms of where we're headed as it relates to print. Future generations, there may never be print again. Just like, you know, I mean, for the most part, you know, it's it's novel to have a turntable.
Right. Right. Eight track CD. Okay. Even CDs and DVDs. People are streaming now.
Yeah. Physical things are not going to happen anymore. It seems like they don't want us to actually own anything physical anymore. They're phasing out DVDs, Blu-rays. They're phasing out CDs and records. They're phasing out video games. Everything is digital.
And they're phasing out money.
Yes. Yes. So it's it's like you will own nothing and be happy. That that that basically is it. But you see, brother.
I'm working on a curriculum on on AI. And AI to me, I I say AI is ancestral intelligence. And it's very important that we understand. Bob Marley has a song, Redemption Song, last song on his last album that was published and he tells us, "Have no fear for atomic energy cuz none of them can stop the time." With all that they may think, my daddy used to say, "You so slick, you're going to pass yourself sliding." With everything they think they're so smart in doing. My mother used to say, "Give them enough rope, they will hang themselves." They're not very intelligent. And I'm speaking of those who would wish to oppress the people who have the concept of of controlling people. And the reality of it is is that when it gets to that point, when all is said and done, they will meet their fate. It's just that we the people have to experience this.
Yeah. Phenomenal. Dr. Rosalyn Jeff, wife of Dr. Leonard Jeff. We when when I started a school in Harlem that I that I asked her to come and explain the netu to the children and to the staff and to us and she came and she spoke about my aunt and everywhere she goes if someone says can you explain my aunt she said brother Cabba's been here hasn't he because I always tell people when you get a chance ask her to explain Maat to and then you'll understand governance and politics. And the way she explained Maat being a feather a feather very light. Okay. And it's beautiful. It is the way that a bird can fly. In this case, the ostrich is the only bird that can't fly. But this is an ostrich feather. But you see, when you hold it, when you look at the way it's shaped, it's almost shaped like a hand is holding it. And she explained that it's a feather because a feather is so light. If you hold it too tight, you'll squash it. You'll destroy it. If you hold it too light, the slightest wind can blow it out of your hands, so you'll lose it. So she said, "Truth and justice, harmony, balance, order and arrangement, reciprocity will go around come around, is just so delicate and so precious that you have to hold it ever so tight but ever so loose. And that's what governance is. That's what democracy is. And as you can see what's happening now, you can see how you can lose it so fast. All the laws that was in place before, none of them deal now. They've all been rescinded. They've all been destroyed. People are looking in your face and say, "Well, so what? I broke it. What you going to do?" That's the feather of my aunt. The honor and the integrity that you have to have and the respect and the ethics that you must build in a society of respect. Brother, I don't know about your generation. I know the younger generation has never experienced a bank where you're actually looking at the teller without a big glass mirror separating the two. Liquor stores. You could go into the liquor store and you could buy from the moment you walk in a liquor store, that place is all jammed up. Now, you can go to a um like a a pharmacy or or drugstore or CVS or Duane Reade and everything of value is locked up.
Yeah. And you got to ring a bell.
Yeah. For the person to come and open it up so that you might be able to get a brush. How far does this go before we realize that this civilization has failed? We have crushed truth.
Yeah. We have discarded honor and integrity. And the way she described Maat and you see when you hear sister Roslin Dr. Rosalyn Jeff speak she speaks with a a a minister's voice where she she inflects certain words and you can see the importance and that's what she does when she talks about ma and it's because she's an art historian so she's into epistemology. Okay. And epistemology is how do you know what you know? And I remember I was at a in fact you were there in Detroit when it was Wade Nobles, Dr. Jeff and James Small. Remember they were at the museum. And Wade Nobles, you know, was talking to us and he said, you know, um, everybody talking about epistemology is such a big word. He said, but you got to understand what epistemology is. is it's a big word. It it has a lot of letters to it.
Oh man. Let's let's shift gears for a little bit, brother Cabba. Um, your newest book, um, Who Were the Moors Before the Moors? The Moors is such a pivotal episode. You know, you you always talk about episodes. Uh, it's such a pivotal episode, but it's also the most uh I don't think it's confusing in and of itself, but it's the episode that most people are so confused about, but it's also the episode in our history where um people in modern times, us Africans, uh today, when we're when when I look at the comments up under the video that we just dropped uh on the Moors. The Moors, the chapter of the Moors seems to be the chapter that uh connects the most dots for people. Uh, it really links us today with ancient Kemet. So I have a few questions regarding the Moors, but first, why did you write the book? What kind of compelled you to write the book?
Going back to your comment, your your concept about your writing a book. I tell people I don't I didn't write these books because I'm a writer. I wrote these books because I had something to say. I'm done writing books because I'm a curriculum writer. I write curricula in schools. I'm writing curricula right now. I'm back to my curriculara writing how to teach. It's like if somebody were to go around the world and study, let's say, foods around the world and they studied chicken the way chicken is eaten in Nigeria, how chicken is eaten in uh Congo, how chicken is eaten in Puerto Rico, how chicken is eaten in Japan. Okay, that's a book on chicken around the world. But what would happen if that person wrote a book on the recipes? How do they cook it? What are the ingredients in Japan? What are the ingredients in Nigeria? What are the spices in Congo? Okay. What is a how they cook it with adobo in Puerto Rico? That's a book of recipes. That's a curriculum. There are people that write books that tell you about it. Then there are people who write to explain how can you teach what that book is saying. That's who I am. I am a curricular writer. I went to Florida in 2015. I was invited to work with um uh homeschoolers and I did a presentation on teaching children our culture. There was a brother that was a businessman. He made popsicles out of liquor, you know, like scotch and rum, you know, they had popsicles. He gave everybody what? And he was very much into entrepreneurial skills. He said, "Man, what you just did, man, you need to write a book." And I said, "Well, you know, brother, I'm not a writer of books. I write curriculum. That's the way my mind is faded." It's the in between writing a novel and writing a screenplay. It's two different approaches. Same subject but different approaches. Then I went to Los Angeles at the end of the summer to do staff development with the teachers at um the Marcus Garvey School in Los Angeles. And the co-presenter with myself was a sister who was a publisher of books and she had published books. And at the end of the day, she said to me, "Have you written any books?" And I said, "Well, you know, I really don't write books. I write curriculum." She said, "But if you transcribe what you just said, you could make that a book." So, I was inspired. And that's when I decided that I was going to write some books because then I realized what she was telling me. She said, "Your audience are teachers and some parents, but you need to get this information to the masses of our people. You can keep writing curricula, but you got to get your books to the masses of our people." And so that's when I began I really started thinking about William Leo Hansburg. I I I wanted to publish my two thesis on William Leo Hansburg. So that's this. If you're into black studies, you need to know who he was and the role he played in developing the black studies department. He developed the first black studies program in an accredited college, Howard University, 1922. So this is an intellectual libation because according to our tradition, you always do a libation before you head out on something. And so I felt that this was a perfect way for me to start my book writing. And so I started writing books with this concept. This was my first. The book I wanted to write was Shabbaka Stone. However, I felt that Shabbaka Stone needed to be prefaced by a book that would show how phenomenal Shabbaka Stone was. Remember, brother Amadeus, when you were doing um uh Heavy as the Crown part one, uh you and I spoke and I was telling you about Shabbaka Stone and you you were telling me, "Wow." Okay. Um I I sent you my notes on the book. Because I felt what you were do what you were doing was so important that it doesn't make a difference. I shared my You're the only person I shared my notes with. Because I felt for what you were doing film-wise was important enough and trust enough to do what you did. And by the way, you did a magnificent job.
Thank you. I tell you, but I said I have to write a book that's going to explain the texts and the documents that I've researched. I I have to present the Meite theology which is where the Shabbaka stone came from, the pyramid text, the coffin text, the book of the coming forth by day. I've got to explain what the Amdat is, which are the 12 hours of the judgment scene. I have to discuss the judgment scene. I have to study at text. I have to discuss Shabbaka, but I've got to do it in a way that it doesn't necessarily the book would have to be too big to do that. So I said, I'm going to split it up and I'm going to write the text. And so, Spirituality Before Religions became my second book, but my first book as it relates to relaying information. Explain what was the pyramid text because there's something that I want to tell people and I know it's going to be hard for some people to digest. I want to tell you something in Shabbakistan. And what I want to tell you is that we've got the story so basswards because the Old Testament is the New Testament and the New Testament is the Old Testament. But for as long as we've got them reversed, we'll never understand the sequence of events that brought these Abrahamic religions into existence. So the people that are being spiritually violated will never know the truth. So I had to lay it out in a way that was very kind. So Spirituality Before Religions, we don't say nothing negative about any religion because like I told you, brother, I ain't got no problem with any religion. My problem is with the interpretations of those religions because to me the story of Christ is a beautiful story. Unfortunately, it's Heru. And the story of God the father is a beautiful story, but that's a saw. The story of the mother of God is beautiful, but that's our set. But you have to understand the story from a sequential way. And so Shabbaka stone reverses. But I don't tell you that. I just tell you what's on Shabbakistone. Cuz anybody with deep depth in religion is going to know that when you're talking about the nun and the flood, you're talking about Noah. They'll know that when you talk about uh uh um Canaan, you know, when you're talking about Ham, Shem, and Japheth, you'll know you're talking about the human family. Because when you go into the Bible, the story of Ham is 16 verses. The story of Shem is six. And the story of Japheth is five. You have the African Ham. You have the mixture as it relates to basically Shem, mixture semi, and you have Japheth who is the European. So the African story equals from 16. You can add 11 and five get 16. Their story together has as many verses as the one on Africa. And they all talk about the populations of the world.
It's a beautiful story.
But the interpretations.
Yes. It's right there. In the pyramid text, when you get to utterance number 278 and two uh 79, you have a story about Unas the bull, which is the story of Unas, who is the last nebi or pharaoh of the of the fifth dynasty. And in his pyramid text, it talks about Unas as he's moving through the heavens. Okay. He transforms into mu or the bull and he eats the bodies and drinks the blood of the gods or the netu. But it's a metaphor. You are what you eat.
So if you dine of the divine, you become divine. It wasn't literal. And growing up Roman Catholic as a altar boy, choir boy, and I even wanted to be a priest. I know the mass. I spoke Latin better than the priest did. The priest used to want me to be their altar boy because if they forgot something, I could always remind them what they missed out in Latin. So I know the mass. I know the Catholic mass backwards and forwards. That's the eucharistic feast. That altar, the altar is a sarcophagus. And just as they celebrate the death of the creator or God who is resurrected in his son, that sarcophagus represents the coffin of the father, but the cradle of the sun. And that's when you study the mass and you interpret it, you can understand what's going on. And that's what I wanted to get across in Shabbat. But I didn't say it because I knew a lot of people would have a very serious heart attack. Because you see, brother Amadeus, my thing is not to take away anybody's religion. My thing is for you to Africanize it. Understand what you're do. It's a beautiful story, but it's been corrupted and contaminated by corruptible and contaminable minds. To control and contain the human being. You are the creator having a human experience. I don't need nobody outside of me. You know, when I was growing up, my mother and I would go to church like on a Saturday and they had candles. They had these little candles for 25 cents. Okay? They had a a a larger candle for a dollar and then they had that big candle for $5. And I used to ask my mother because we always lit a 25 cent candle. I used to ask my mother, I said, "Uh, Mom, uh, the person that lights the $5 candle, will they get their wish before we get ours?" See, that's how a child thinks.
Right. Right. We got this little 25 cent candle and they got this big $5 candle. And I'm wondering, you know, this called spatiality, which is size. So when something is big, it's better than when it's little. And she said, "No, Skip. Uh, it's it's all the same. You know, we can afford the 25 cent candle. Somebody else can afford the $5 candle. So, it's not like they get theirs before we get ours." You know, I didn't believe that.
I love my mother dearly, but I didn't believe that story. Cuz I knew if you gave me $5, I'd be nicer to you than if you gave me a quart. And so, that was Shabbaka Stone. Now, Shabbaka Stone created the universe. That's why the subtitle is is actually the um an African theory on the origin and continuing development of the cosmic universe. But then I had to bring those principles down to earth to to talk about the development of G or the earth. And so that's when I wrote Carbon Before Melanin.
Well, I got to interrupt you for for a second, Kaba. If there's anybody watching and they're and they're wondering why Amadeus isn't saying anything, that's because Cabba's literally going down the list of the questions that I. So, it's not like I'm just letting you talk. You're literally answering the questions that I have prepared for you without me asking them.
Now, isn't that interesting?
Okay. Okay. Uh, so.
I, you know, I put a little bit of that happy and cush on myself today. I guess I'm being programmed to.
So I literally don't have to ask you the questions, but.
All right. Still, still I'd like you to at least take me to the next level with those questions.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, well, we jumped ahead. So, uh.
Take me back, brother, because I.
Well, no, we're on track. We're on track. So you give a brilliant breakdown um of the scientific uh the scientific uh relationship between Nun, Pata, and Atum. Uh, I think it's brilliant because you're talking about the different energies and kinetic energy and potential energy. So I wanted you to break that down because a lot of people really like to get into the science and they want to know what's the science like when they talk about the science of the Moors and the science of this and so that's why I had a chapter in uh Heavy's the Crown volume two called The Science of Ancient Kemet. This was uh the focus on of of that chapter. Um, but you give a brilliant breakdown of the Nun, Pata, and Atum and I wanted you to dive into that.
Okay, let me tell you what our ancestors did in Shabbakistan. That theory is the third theory. The first theory is what the Greeks call the Ogdoad, which is the concept of Atum creating Nunet, Ammonet, Matter, and Space, infinity, lightness, light, and darkness, and the hidden and the reveal. The eight characteristics of the cosmic universe. All of us have those eight characteristics. They are known as the Netu Nu, the uncreated creations. And the way our ancestors depicted them, they didn't have belly buttons, which means they didn't come from a mother, which means they were all they always existed. The next one was called the Ennead, which is Shu, Tefnut, and Nut and Geb, you know, uh, Shu is is um air, Tefnut is moisture, um Nut is sky, and Geb is earth. And Nut and Geb give birth to Asar, Aset, Set, and Nephthys. And then Aset gives birth to Heru. That that is a cosmic story. And so the third principle is the unity of the three, which is Nun, Nun, and which is what you asked. But what I did was I realized that the key was in the third philosophy. So that anybody that studied this document wouldn't know how to open the door because they were starting with something that already existed before the beginning began. You see, so what I did is I took Nun, Pata, and Atum and I brought it into the and I made that the first philosophy in order for us to understand the other. Because where did Nun come from? All of a sudden that they could create the so-called first philosophy? Where did it come from? You would never be able to understand it. So if you took the third philosophy and made it the first philosophy and made what the uh the first philosophy the second philosophy, then the third philosophy the third philosophy, then it would make sense. And that's what I did. I found a pattern in the tabernacle. The first trinity, the triunity, the unity of three trinity, the Nun, the waters, the universe, hydrogen. Pata rises up out of the Nun, out of the water, which is the conversion, which is when the h the original hydrogen atom that existed by itself split and that was the Big Bang. The first hydrogen atom impregnated itself. So it was androgynous. It was both male and female at the same time and it split. And when that happened, then that's what brought all the other atoms into existence. But that came because of the conversion of the potential energy of hydrogen at rest. It activated it and that was the Big Bang. And then as that began, then you have the Atum that rises up out of the Nun, rises through Pata, sits atop Pata, and names all things. That sounds like Adam. That's where Adam came from, the Atum. An atom, of course, is the atom, the hydrogen atom singular that sits atop Pata and begins to name everything. And that is that's where the Ogdoad came from because when that happened, remember you have Nun, you already have Nun being, but in the beginning, Atum didn't exist. So Nun was unnamed. It didn't have a name until it manifested Pata and then Atum. And then Atum looked back on itself and named itself. And that's when Nun has a name. But as you read it in the Shabbaka Stone, you wouldn't know that unless you brought that third philosophy and made it the first one. And that was the key to the pattern in the tabernacle. And this is why so much ridiculousness is going on today because the way in which the Western world gives you things, you don't know what happened before the beginning began. So if you don't know what happened before the beginning began, it's like you trying to figure out where you are today, February 15th, and don't know where you were on February 14th. How you know where you are if you ain't if you don't know where you been? And if you don't know where you've been, you can't know where you are. And if you don't know where you are, how you going to figure out where you going to be tomorrow? Our ancestors were geniuses. And that's what I'm trying to get to in the books that I'm writing. And so Carbon Before Melanin, this is what brings the carbon atom down to earth and creates life. And that's the that's the fourth book and that's the book where you begin to understand. It's subtitled Creators on Earth. There's a double entendre, a double meaning. It's a double meaning because it is a uh, you know, what what could be called creator is on earth because there's a little star or apostrophe on creators. So on one level I'm saying the creator is on earth. And then the second is that the creators on earth, which means you and me and everybody listening to this presentation, we are the creator having a human experience. We are embodied with the god particle, the god concept that is called carbon. And again, I dedicate my my my chapter um on carbon to Dr. Sebi.
I was going to Dr. Sebi since 1988, October 4th to be exact. And through our friendship over the years, I invited him to a presentation I was doing on melanin in Brooklyn. And he came, ended, he left. When I went back to the institute, the health institute, Dr. Sebi was there. I said, "Well, Dr. Sebi, uh, what what you think about my presentation?" He said, "Book a tea. All of you are always talking about melanin, but it was carbon before melanin." And that's when I did the study on carbon. And then I realized what he meant when he said that because you have four major atoms. There are others, but you have four major atoms or elements if you want to call it that. You have nitrogen, oxygen, hydrogen, and you have carbon. But the hydrogen, nitrogen, and oxygen, you can only take no more than four atoms. This is in John G. Jackson's book, Introduction to African Civilization. Of those three, you can only put no more than four atoms together that bind. You can put two parts hydrogen, one part oxygen, H2O, you have water. You can put two parts hydrogen, two parts oxygen, you have hydrogen peroxide. You can do the same thing with nitrogen, but no more than four. But with the introduction of carbon, that's what creates the millions upon millions of molecules that exist. Carbon. When people talk about organic life, it's organic because it was able to assimilate this black dot, this blackness of the when you look up in the heavens, everything is black. The heavens is nothing but cosmic carbon. And when you push matter, there's, you know, there's there's a little bit, not much of dark matter, but a whole lot of dark energy. And it pushes in on itself. It pushes dark matter in on itself. And when that blackness gets so small and so tight that there's no space in there, it implodes. And that creates a star. Stars are crystallized blackness. Just like diamonds on the earth are crystallized blackness. We as a black people when you put it under enough pressure, blackness becomes crystallized. We are the manifestations of the greatness of the cosmic universe. We are the creator having a human experience. Just like the creator creates diamonds under pressure, the creator creates stars under pressure. The creator has created us as a black people. Having gone through this Mafa, this terroristic disaster. And yet still we rise. Still there's a brother named Amadeus Christ that does Out of Darkness. Heavy is the Crown one and two. Your your documentary on Detroit that's going to blow people's mind.
How did that happen? Amadeus, how could someone through your family lineage that's been under pressure for so long, how could you become so excellent? Because you're a diamond. You've been put under pressure and every generation that has lived, that has brought you into existence, has manifested your greatness, manifested my greatness, manifested everyone that's watching this program, your greatness. You have no right not to. But then after I did Carbon Before Melanin and I brought life down, remember I'm not a writer. I I have something to say, but I had to put it in five books because this is the Moors before the Moors because everybody got big mouth. Okay, everybody talking about who the Moors were. I ain't black. I'm a Moor. I'm Negro. I'm African-American. I'm foundational Black American. Everybody is a Moor. And that's why I wrote the book, Who Were the Moors Before the Moors? Because we tend to, brother Amadeus, focus on the years 711 to 1492. But who were the Moors that went into Spain? Who were they in 709? Who were they in 707? I've got chapters on the Olympics. The word Olympic itself comes from Nigeria. Comes from the word uh uh comes from the language of the Yoruba of West Nigeria. Olu. O with the with O as a prefix and then L um mountain top. That's where the Greeks got Mount Olympus from. See, the point that I'm trying to make right now is something that Dr. Clark used to always tell me and tell us. We're always focused on Egypt, but all of Africa was great. We have to understand that when our ancestors, our our African ancestors were building pyramids in Kush Kamet or Egypt, they were also building structures in Nigeria. They were building stone structures in southern Africa. They were building civilizations in central Africa. The first human beings on the planet that moved out of the Homo sapiens sapiens age. That's and another thing that I have in Who Are the Moors Before the Moors is and I and I left it to the end so that people would be able to understand. We did not descend from apes, but humans, hominids, and apes, hominids have a common ancestor called Ramapithecus and Ramapithecines who were in the trees. Some of them Ramapithecines for for whatever reason, maybe they fell out the tree, maybe they were kicked out the tree, maybe they saw something on the ground that they were attracted to and went down on the ground. They went down on the ground and began to live on the ground as opposed to living in the tree. Then there were others that stayed in the tree. The ones that stayed in the tree became the apes. The ones that came down on the ground became humans. Their life systems changed. The foods that they ate changed. Their living systems changed. Their body had to change in order to survive because you know the apes have what's known as the opposable big toe. So they can use their hands and their toes by moving through the trees and it grasps. But when we came down on the ground, that opposable big toe began to get in our way and we were stepping on it. So what we would always try to do is push it over to the side and then it go back and push it on the side. So nature loves us. So it began to create a being out of us who didn't have to keep moving their toe and they were born with their toe parallel to their other toes. And so the story is so phenomenal and everybody got a problem with being related to an ape, right? But see, I went to Congo Land in Bronx Zoo, right? I got pictures of me in Bronx Zoo, Congo Land, where the gorillas at. And like I heard and I looked over and there was a gorilla. Come here, man. I want to talk to you for a minute. So I went over and talked to the gorilla and the gorilla say, you know, brother Cabba, because they knew my name, you know, they say, you know, we got your DVDs in the back and we appreciate the way you respect us and uh, I just want you to go back and tell your fellow humans, we don't necessarily want to be related to you considering how you act. You don't even know what to eat. You threw a Big Mac up in here. The only thing we eat is the lettuce, maybe a little bit of the tomato.
Y'all don't even know what to eat. Your teeth ain't even structured to eat the food that you eating. And you still trying to eat meat. You ain't got no enzymes to break down that meat. You don't have the teeth to rip it. You ain't you ain't got those canines no more. You lost them canines at least three million years ago. So here you are doing all this talking about you don't want to be related to us and look at how you fight each other. He said, we've been living in this under these conditions since we were born and not one of us has ever struck each other. Y'all can't even be together for two days without hitting one of them. Gorillas are some of the most of course now, you know, I'm I'm I'm I'm telling the story in jest because that's what I tell people when I'm talking about the apes and we're and how we're related. We are brothers and sisters. We they're not our father and mother. They're our brother and sister. Bone for bone, muscle for muscle. Apes and humans are the same. Every organ, every gland, everything we do is the same as what the apes do. There's one difference between us and it was a sister known as Henrietta Lacks that made the difference. That sister that died in 1951 and they took her cells and they found out that her cells multiplied in death as quick as they did when she was alive. They're called HeLa cells. And not only that, they took her cells in space and they multiplied more in space than they did on Earth, which tells us we're cosmic beings. But another thing that her cells did was that up until they experimented with her cells, scientists believed that humans had 48 chromosomes, 24 from mother, 24 from father. It was through this black woman's cells that scientists found out that humans have 46 chromosomes. 23 from mother and 23 from father. And not just that, science now tells us it's chromosome number two in our body structure that is what came together. Two chromosomes became one. I have the whole scientific explanation in the book and and I put it in the last book to help us understand. Let's not be foolish anymore. Let's look at the science of God. Okay? Let's look at the science. Let's look at the adenine, guanine, cytosine, and thymine. The four DNA purines and pyrimidines to understand who we are as a. That's who our ancestors were. They were scientists.
But they were sacred. Spirituality is unseen science and science is seen spirituality.
Two. I want to uh I uh I originally uh scheduled this interview with you to uh to be a companion video to the to the Moor video we just dropped. Uh, which is going crazy right now. U complete history of the Moors. Uh, people love that video and um I'm going through the comment section and I'm seeing the comments that are people are leaving. Uh, the overwhelming comment is the visuals um which which which really gets people dialed in, right? Um, but I I noticed a few other comments um that were more less less like questions. So, I wanted to kind of I want to bring them to your attention. Um, I'm going to focus on two in particular. The biggest question that people had, well, they kind of relate to each other, but one of them has to do with um the Berbers and people, and I don't know if these are African people leaving these comments because you really can't tell who's leaving the comments, but the argument is that the Moors were Berbers and the Berbers are North Africans. Um, and the and the way the the comment is uh intended is it's it's intended to say that North Africans are different than Sub-Saharan Africans and that these Moors were basically non-Africans even though they're North Africans, they're non-Africans. So, um, back to our our the statement that I said in the beginning of this was that there's so much confusion when it has to do with the Moors. So, I wanted you to kind of clear that up specifically. There's there's a lot of confusion about the term Arabs, uh, Berbers, and North Africans. I'm just going to group those together. Uh, but I want you to clear the confusion up about about these terms. And also the second part of that question is why is there such a need uh to divide Africa between North Africa and Sub-Saharan Africa?
In my book, I have a picture. This is what the Sahara looked like before it became a desert over here. This is what it looked like. It was green. There was nothing that divided the north from the south. I have a chapter in the book that deals with what's called the Tamandraet River that starts in the Atlas Mountains in Algeria and it comes down winds down all through North Africa and then starts going west and it empties out into southern Mauritania in West Africa. The evidence of it is the fact that you can see artifacts that trace this whole movement approximately 5,000 BC with the ice age now is impacting the world. The ice age, although it created ice up north, it also had impact in other places. And what it what it brought, it brought great rains to the northern part of Africa and with such intensity of climate and weather, Africa had been experienced what's called the African Humid Phase (AHP). This is when Africa was green. North Africa was green. No desert and there was trade between North Africa, West Africa, Congo. See, this is why we got to do our own history because if we leave them to explain it, it ain't going to happen. And so about 5,000 BC, that part, the northern part of Africa began to become very dry. And that's called the AAP, the African Arid Phase. Satellites have taken pictures of what's under the Sahara. You have fish bones, crocodile bones, food under the Sahara, the dunes, the what the created sands that would be, let's say, East Africa. The winds blew them west in a place called Cape Timmerous off the coast of West Africa. You can see the dunes of East Africa in the water of West Africa. So you can see how the winds blew across. And in some areas it wasn't as bad as other. And that's what the Sahel is. It's the boundaries. Africans, Arabs were not here at the time. Okay, so let's just get that straight. They were not there at the time. The people you see today basically came post 610 AD. The Berbers were a contamination of the word that the Romans used to disrespect the Africans. They called them barbarians. That's where the word Berber comes from. One of the reasons, Brother Amadeus and family, why I wrote this book was to make sure we understood something. The people in North Africa today are as indigenous to North Africa as the Europeans are to America. Let's get that straight. That's why Who Were the Moors Before the Moors? Who was there in North Africa? They were black. They were melanated. They're known as the Palastians, the Fasians. These were the names given to them. They were black. In Egypt, they had the Sed festival where the Neter or the Pharaoh had to prove his worthiness to continue to rule. And so he he had to run through the pyramids because there were 80 pyramids where the three pyramids are now or the six if you look at the smaller ones. There was 80 pyramids there and it was a walled city. And this is where the Neter had to prove himself as that the Olympics come out of military science. And as they train the young people to become warriors and military science, they had them compete. Look at well, not the Winter Olympics because that's all new. You know, Winter Olympics didn't exist during the Olympics. That's been added since Europeans came out the ice, but the Winter uh uh the Summer Olympics, look at the events and you'll see military. The javelin is the spear. The discus and the shot put is throwing rocks at each other. Running, wrestling, boxing. Basketball is new. Swimming, all of that were military events that created a competition. And Africans from different nations would compete with each other. Northern um uh Indo-Europeans came down, got into Rome. I got a chapter on Etruria, which is what today we call Italy. Sardinia, Corsica, those islands, those are black. The Greek, the Minoan, black. They're known as Palastians. But as long as you see them as Palastians, they make you think they're Greeks. They're really talking about black people. The Berbers are not who they pretend to be. No more than the builders of the pyramids are not the people that are there today. If they did, why didn't they do something about them pyramids and them temples? They knew how to build those mosques. And man, you know, when you go down that avenue, I think it's towards when you're going to the airport is one of the main roads. Man, those mosques are beautiful lights. Beautiful. So, you ain't got no problem with technology. So, why do the pyramids look like that? And if you really built those, you would respect them. So, why take us cigarette butts? Why they got garbage in the temples? You don't have that in your mosques. In fact, you got to take your shoes off and wash up before you even go into the mosque. If they were yours, you would respect them. Why don't you respect them? Because they're not yours. You have no idea what to do with them except make money on tourism. That's why I had the situation I had when I went back in 2024 because they know. We know. We know. So, you know, don't come to me with no Berber like they're Indo-Europeans. First of all, I told Hawass, okay, you see the way those black men are dressed, they don't have nothing on top. They're walking around with kilts. If you walked in Egypt like that, you'd have skin cancer by 22 years of age. You couldn't dress like that. If they look like you, you couldn't dress like that. You You'd get skin cancer because brother, you've been there. You know how hot it is. It's 110 in the shade, brother. It's that dry heat.
I love it. Dry heat. It energized me when I was there. They couldn't survive there. That's why they cover up. Why you think they wearing all them clothes now? They talk about modesty. Ain't got nothing to do with modesty. It's because if you didn't cover up, you would die of skin cancer. You're not from there. You're Indo-Europeans that have traveled over thousands of years south after the ice melted. So.
Dr. Clark said to have a debate, you got to have two sides. They don't have a side. Brother Amadeus, it's time now. And you see the other thing.
About what we're doing, which is even to me more important than knowing they're black, is to recreate their genius in today's world. I'm not wasting my time arguing with you about who built pyramids. They weren't you. They were black. And that's the period at the end of that sentence.
>> Absolutely.
>> Now, you want to go argue with somebody else, you go ahead. But don't bring that over here.
>> I hope we don't play that.
>> The ancient and and you know something else, brother Amadeus.
>> Yeah. Long before Kush Kamett did what they did, the Tua and Bhuti Koisan people, the first people, the first family of the human race in central and southern Africa had already mapped out the heavens. And that's why those pyramids were built because they knew back then that they had to find a perfect place where they could create a cindrical system because that's what the pyramids are. They're a cylindrical system because all of the pyramids face north, the entrance. And if you had a a a telescope, all three pyramids converge on the north star. And the north star is what creates the 26,000 uh year kind of which we are now moving out of the age of Pisces and we're going into the age of happy or what is called today Aquarius. The Kush Kamedic people knew when they were in Kenya, Uganda, when they were in um uh Chad and they were in uh Aritria, Djibouti, Somalia, Ethiopia, they knew that there was a particular place on the earth that was the 000 mark and it's not Greenwich. It's Kufu's pyramid. Kufu's pyramid is on the at the gallery. The Grand Gallery is on the exact 30 parallel north, 30 parallel east. The longitude and latitude line, the Grand Gallery in that pyramid is what is aimed at that particular grid. Another thing, we look at the world totally incorrect as far as I'm concerned. And again in the moors I I I have this in the moors where I'm showing you that north, south, east, and west is not how we should relegate our directions. Think about this. Whatever would gear your orientation, your axiology of the world, it should be something that is consistent and constant. And the only thing that does that is the sun. And that is why we should be oriented to the east and our world should rotate what we call east because it's our movement around the sun that creates everything that we can depend on. Nothing else we can depend on. Because no matter if a a a asteroid hits the earth and it knocks us and tilts us 23 and a3 degrees, it don't make a difference because the sun is still east. If something happens that shift the magnetic poles, it doesn't make a difference what it is because we're still facing east. The sun don't change. Our orientation may change, but the orientation and the rotation and the revolution still is around the sun. These folk don't know what they're talking about.
>> So, um,
>> did I answer that question about the bird?
>> Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely.
>> They were black.
>> Absolutely. Um, second part of of that question, uh, looking at the comments again, you know, I love the I love the positive comments, but I also love even more the the contentious ones.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Love the contentious comments. So, the second uh contentious comment that I wanted to get your opinion on had to do with uh the images, but the complexion of the people, right? This is what we're talking about. Uh, a couple of the comments took issue with the the complexion of the people that are depicted as Berbers and um the the Moors in general that went into Spain. There was there was one comment in particular and the person said they they almost couldn't make it through the video had it not been for the knowledge that you were dropping. They almost couldn't make it through the video because of the the the assumed complexion of the people that were in the and I'm using their words the intelligent cities uh were lighter skinned and then when we got to the the more primitive or we got deeper into Africa and deeper into central Africa they were darker skinned people and she And there was it wasn't just this comment in particular, but it was a few people who took issue with it, right? And um as the creator of the video, I tried to be as historically accurate as I possibly could be. Um I depicted the Berbers and the Moors, all different shades of colors. There were a lot of dark-kinned women, uh, a lot of what we would call fair complexed women, fair women with fair complexions. They didn't, nobody took issue with the men, how the men were depicted. It was really only the women. Um, but they had they got hung up on the complexion. They got hung up on the the the the hair texture, the features that they had. Um, so my question to you is being that Africa is such a large continent and it has just about every phenotype you can imagine. Just about every skin tone that you can imagine. Just about every feature from wide nose to big lips, thin nose to thin lips. Africa has all of these different features. So my question is, and this is just this is purely subjective. In your opinion, why are we so caught up on these features? Why are we so caught up on these on the skin tone and how dark somebody is and how curly their hair is or how straight it is or how kinky it is or how curly it is, how big their nose is or what kind of skin tone. when we cover the whole spectrum, why uh why are we as African people so caught up in these minute details that only really seem to divide us.
>> And so we're speaking as a black family.
>> Yes.
>> Within us there's this problem.
>> Yes.
>> That some people have called colorism.
>> Yes.
>> Okay. I can only state one scholar that broke it down real simple.
>> Dr. Francis Creswell, genetic annihilation. Simple like that. Brother Amadeus, there is only one race on the planet and that's the human race. And that human race was conceived, born, nurtured, sustained, educated, civilized, and technologized in Africa amongst the Tua and Bhi Koisan people. And when these Africans, as Dr. Clark tells us, got their program together, they then took it on the road and they peopleled the continent of Africa. And then as they people the continent of Africa, they then began to move out across the globe. They moved east into Saudi Arabia. They continued on into Syria, uh Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, okay, Pakistan, China, Japan. And as they moved across the globe, their morphological and phen and and and physiological adaptions occurred because of their presence to the sun. And again, brother, I have this information in my book. See, this is what I'm trying to tell us as a people. Stop the nonsense. I wonder if uh an advanced civilization that had existed in human form for 250 million years with an advanced way of thinking came down and observed us as a people, what would they think of us? He said, "But they're the same people. And look at how they've divided themselves up into all these little groups. Even the groups have divided into groups. So that my framework is it don't make a difference if you Lithuanian, if you German, if you Japanese, if you Chinese, if you Hawaiian, if you Puerto Rican, Dominican, if you German, Fr, UK, you belong to the original race of human beings. And if you dig deep inside your history and culture, you will see black people in Europe. You'll see black people in China. You'll see black people in America. You'll see black people across the globe. And for thousands of years, these are the only people on the planet. Short stature tuah and booty koisan derogatorily called pigments. If it wasn't for them, we would not be here. If they had abortion back then, we wouldn't be here. We need to thank them and respect them and stop laughing because they're short stature and because they may not look like us. They are our ancestors on earth and they deserve our respect. And there's a chapter on the Tua and Bouti Koisan that I'm trying to get us to understand who they are and who they were and what they contributed. They contributed first as hunter gatherers, then they became agriculturalists, and then they became astronomers, and they mapped the heavens, and they knew where they were going, and they traveled the earth, and they created the civilizations that exist today on this planet. It's them. The first people that came to America probably were the Koisan people that that left Africa. The the peopleing of America did not come from the east. It came from the west. and Africans traveled on the Benuela current because that Benuela current goes right into the mouth of the Amazon River. So there were Koisan people from South Africa probably Angola could be could be Namibia but they left the that that particular west coast of Africa got on their boats and came to America and there's evidence of them here. I've got it in carbon before melanin. Science comes from the word cient. One of the attributes of the creator. Some of these they say omnipotent, all powerful. Another one says omniscient, all knowing. Cient means knowledge. It doesn't mean like biology, chemistry and physics. Science is all knowledge. Communication arts, physical sciences, and social sciences. And so people that come at me with these kind of comments, I understand you just don't know. You haven't studied what you need. Your emotions guides your reaction to what you see because everybody wants to see themselves in things. But the fact is that I don't look like the original people. My complexion isn't the same. My height isn't the same. but they're my ancestors. It's like me looking at my parents in a sense that let's just say my parents did I don't look like either of my parents. Let's say that I I jumped three generations. I look more like my great great-grandparents than I do my parents. And then all of a sudden I have a problem because I can't identify with my parents. That's ridiculous. I came from them. You're a German, you came from Africa. you're so-called Arab, which I really don't know what that means because Arabs are black. Dr. Clark said, if you're talking about the African continent and you're not including Saudi Arabia, you're not talking about the whole continent. Brother Amadeus, we have to start to think. I tell people, I don't care if you believe me or not. I'm not here to make you believe me. I'm here to make you think. I know that I'm right, but I also know that I am not as accurate as future generations will make what I'm saying. You see, Dr. Shake Dup and Dr. John Henrik Clark, they used the best they had with with what they had. Cottage Woodson. He did the best he could with what he had. Every generation does the best they can with what they have. And the there may be differences that many scholars today have towards Shikad, but they're not proving him wrong. They're just making what he taught them more accurate. Okay? There's a lot of work that has to be done. But I've studied with these great minds, Asa Hillard and Naim Akbar and Theopalio Bena, Sha Jop and Dr. John Henry Clark and and and and I went to Mexico um you know with Ivan Van Certa in in uh 8084. I've studied with the masters and what I've attempted to do in my books is to bring their information to a place and to be able to teach it to our people in a way that they can assimilate the information. But I also know that there's money to be made in pimping Egyptian history. And if people knew that the people that built the pyramids look more like Theopali Oena than Zahi Hawas, they might not want to come. So they're pimping pimpastas and they're hustling somebody else's. It's just like if Europeans today tried to pimp off the mounds of America. Black people built them, too. Even the indigenous people, the Native American people that we look at today, they're not the original ones in their gene pool is the original black people, but they came the fifth migration, the Asian migration. The first was the Twani people. Kois came here. Then the next one was the Clovis Fossome, a tallest stature of black people. Then came the algangquin, another black people. Then came the Inowit or the Eskimo. Now that's where the bearing straight comes in. And then you have the Asian invasion which comes from Asia straight into Canada. It's just the way it is. And see, we have to stop arguing. Some people want to still argue. I understand that. You know, you know, enjoy it. But not me. Our children need this knowledge now so they can take it to the next level. I ain't gonna argue with you.
>> You know, like Dr. Clark said, to to have a debate, you got to have two sides. They don't have a side, man.
>> Right. Right.
>> And in our discussion with them, even if it is a debate, when you debate somebody, you give them the right to have their opinion. You have no right to have that opinion because it's not true. So go somewhere else with that nonsense.
>> Absolutely. Dr. Cabba, uh we could talk forever. We could keep going for and ever and ever. Uh want to respect your time. Where can the people find your work? Where can they get your books? Um how can they contact you?
>> Well, there are a number of different ways. If you want to get my books, you can contact me on my website www.caba.com k a b-a k ne. You can also go to the link in my bio on Instagram and you can get my books and you can get uh my um streams that I have because I have a lot of information that's there. Also on my website, I've also got the streaming and I've got a number of different uh programs that I've developed over time that the community can uh access.
>> and they can also find you on Instagram.
>> Yes. Kava K A B- A K A M E. That's my community bulletin board.
>> Yes.
>> You know, like with the pieces that we did on the moors.
>> Yes.
>> They're up there. you know, um, you know, the way you sent it to me, I put it up there to advertise the work that you're doing. And, and brother, man, I'm, you know, I'm just telling you, man, how proud I am of what you're doing. And like I've told you privately, I tell you publicly, you're doing what others have not done.
>> You are an innovator as it relates to our history and our culture going into the future. Your graphics are phenomenal. You are creating images that never existed before. and you're putting them in the proper context in which people can understand what it is when we talk about our accomplishments as a people and that your your your um documentaries man from out of darkness heavy as the crown one and heavy as the crown two brother wow that's really quite something else and the music I got to give gifted C Johnson
>> yes
>> Toby Tan okay your team of building You know, Gifted Seas's music,
>> yes,
>> is just phenomenal.
>> Phenomenal.
>> Phenomenal. You have a phenomenal team around you, brother. And together, man, young brothers and sisters doing their thing.
>> Phenomenal, brother. Congratulations on all you do, man. And
>> I I just thank you for this opportunity to have this type of conversation with you. I'm I'm focused on your generation now, brother.
>> Yes. Yes. Um, I'm passing the baton to y'all. You know, I'm I'm I'm I'm still running the race,
>> but I'm passing the baton to your generation to take it to the next level and to make what I'm doing more accurate. This is another thing I think everybody has to understand.
>> This is not over. The there are there is so much more we have to learn. The more I learn, the more I learn. How much more we have to learn. And I think even if I had two more lifetimes of longevity, I still would not be able to get exactly what I'd like.
>> But as long as we pass it on to the next generation, you'll take the baton and you'll run your race
>> and then you hand it to Zion and the Trinity.
>> Absolutely.
>> And your children and then they hand it on to their children because that's where I am.
>> Yeah. I I've accepted the baton to the past generations.
>> Yeah. I was just going to say uh special shout out to your son Head Rude in this set.
>> Oh yeah.
>> Carrying that torch, man. And he's also in Heaviest of Crown. So you guys go check that out. It's hard to believe, man. Uh me and you kind of began our working relationship what 10 about 10 years ago. About 10 years ago.
>> A little over 10 years because Yeah. Well Well, it could be 20 uh uh 2015.
>> Yeah. late 2015. Yeah.
>> Yeah, man. And it was right around the time of um the um Black Panther celebration.
>> Yes. Yes. Yes.
>> That that that they would be celebrating men and you you you had me sit in Huey Newton's seat
>> with pens in my hand.
>> Yes.
>> A green pen and a black pen.
>> Okay.
>> At the Oakland Museum, they shut down the museum just for us that day.
>> That's right.
>> Oh man, that was that was special. Well, every time I said something, the cuckoo clock went off.
>> Yeah. Uh, Dr. We could go on and on and on.
>> Yeah, man.
>> Uh, if you haven't seen him in Out of Darkness, please go check it out. That's the first film I did with Professor Cabba as the narrator. Um, gluing everything together. Uh, that was the first one that came out 2015 2016. Heavy is the Crown was the followup. Heavy is the Crown volume one, you know, how to break it in two pieces.
>> Based on your notes that you gave me on the Shabbaka Stone,
>> so we'll we'll we'll get into that next conversation, but your your information on the Shabbaka Stone really made me break Heaviest of Crown up into two pieces. M
>> so uh Heavy is the Crown volume 1 came out 2022 streaming on all major platforms. Heavy is the crown volume 2 uh 2025 2026. We just hit uh the bulk of the major platforms. You can check them out on Tuby, Amazon, uh Roku, Google Play, YouTube Movies, Fandango. Um they're everywhere. So it's not an excuse not to go see it. well worth your time. So, uh, Cabba, we gonna get out of here. Um, appreciate you. Appreciate your time. Appreciate the value of your your wisdom and all of the nuggets you dropped on us. And, um, is there anything that any last words you want to leave the people with before we get at it?
>> You know, I, you know, as I always talk to young people, you know, it's an interesting thing when you're with young people. Young people may not be perceiving the world the way adults do and sometimes they see things differently than we do. I just want to tell the young people it's going to be all right with everything that you see happening out here. We as a people have been through much worse. And if we could handle that, we can handle this. We just got to keep on keeping on and have faith that the creator and ancestors don't bring us this far to leave us like this. And I want your generation to know it. And I want the younger generations to know. And I want our children who are maybe watching television and seeing things, maybe hearing adults talk about things that seem like things will never get better, but they will. And I just want us to understand, that it will get better. But Dr. King said we have difficult days ahead. But he wanted us to know that we as a people will get to the promised land. And the fact that you're doing what you're doing, brother Amadeus and brother Toby and brother Gifted, your crew and all the other young brothers and sisters out here doing this work. You are the hope of the future and y'all are going to make it better. So that my thing is just keep on keeping on because it ain't over till we win. And solar power is the future wealth of the planet.
>> And isn't it interesting that everywhere the sun shines the brightest, the people are the most melanated.
>> It's like the creator gave us the future wealth for us to deal with.
>> So, brother, thank you for this opportunity. And to all of those who have tuned in, I thank you
>> for your your your um appreciation. And also I one last thing. The most precious thing you have. You can have all the money in the world. You can lose it tomorrow. You can make more money the day after. You can have eight beautiful mansions that you live and that you have. They can all burn down, but you can build another mansion the next day. The most precious thing you have is time.
>> That's why we say pay attention. Your attention is a commodity. Use it well. Don't waste your time. Don't play when you work and don't work when you play. But time is the most precious thing you have. Possess it. Control it. the words words of wisdom from a master teacher. Uh I'm I'm always honored and it's always a pleasure to sit at your feet and hear those words. So, we going to get out of here, people. We're going to see you on the next episode.