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Speaker 1 0:00 Back in 2024, when Donald Trump put up a Truth Social post about never having been on Jeffrey Epstein's plane, Trump didn't hedge or use squishy language. He didn't qualify. He didn't say, "To the best of my knowledge, I've never been on Epstein's plane," or "As far as I can remember sitting here today, I've never been on Epstein's plane."
What Trump said previously about this is, quote, "This is what the Democrats do to their Republican opponent who is leading them by a lot in the polls. This is a [inaudible] and it is very dangerous for our country. Also, I was never on Epstein's plane or at his stupid island. Strong laws ought to be developed against AI. It will be a big and very dangerous problem in the future."
Trump said, clearly, "I have never been on Epstein's plane." That statement is now definitively false. In the newly released Justice Department records related to Jeffrey Epstein, there's the 2020 email we looked at yesterday. It is from a prosecutor stating flight logs show Trump has been on Epstein's plane at least eight times, including flights with Ghislaine Maxwell.
We learned about this because of the letter from the Epstein files, which we looked at yesterday. It is up on the screen, and the email, written on January 7, 2020, says, "For your situational awareness, wanted to let you know that the flight records we received yesterday reflect that Donald Trump traveled on Epstein's private jet many more times than previously has been reported or that we were aware, including during the period we would expect to charge in a Maxwell case. In particular, he is listed as a passenger at least on at least eight flights between '93 and '96, including at least four flights on which Maxwell was also present. He is listed as having traveled with, among others at various times, Marla Maples, his daughter Tiffany, and his son Eric. On one flight in '93, he and Epstein are the only two listed passengers. On another, the only three passengers are Epstein, Trump, and then a 20-year-old name redacted. On two other flights, two of the passengers, respectively, were women who could be possible witnesses in a Maxwell case."
So this matters for a very simple reason. Trump didn't deny wrongdoing on the flights. He denied ever being on the plane, and the denial was not ambiguous. It was a categorical, "I have never been on Epstein's plane." He didn't say the number of flights I took is exaggerated. He didn't say the photos are misleading. He didn't say the stories are distorted. He said, very simply, "Never been on Epstein's plane." We now have official documents indicating he was on it at least eight times.
So Trump has been caught lying about the nature of his interactions with Jeffrey Epstein. Now, to be very clear, and I believe that this is important to restate, none of this is an allegation that Trump committed a crime. The email from the prosecutor doesn't accuse Trump of illegal conduct. The DOJ said, in an attempt to sort of clean this up for Trump, that some of the claims in the Epstein files are unverified or unfounded. And I think when it comes to some of these tips that the FBI received, that is absolutely important to acknowledge. And as I told you earlier in the show, there was a document in there that is of a tip the FBI received in 2020 that I don't think has any credibility, and I told you that at the top of the show. But this is an official document here, and the DOJ says Trump was on the plane at least eight times.
So the point is, when Trump was confronted with documented associations with Epstein, he responded and said, "I was never on the plane," and that claim has now completely collapsed. Once you lie about something this specific, something verifiable, you have forfeited the benefit of the doubt on everything adjacent to it. If Trump lied about being on the plane, why would anyone trust his version of events as to why he was on the plane? If he lied about contact with Epstein, why would anyone trust his timeline about contact with Epstein? And if he lied while accusing others of manufacturing evidence, why would we accept any future denial at all?
This is the real danger here. Trump is laying the groundwork for a world where any inconvenient evidence can be dismissed as fake. Any contradiction can be blamed on technology, conspiracies, political enemies, AI. It is an escape hatch that he has put together. And once you have that escape hatch, the facts don't matter anymore. The records don't matter. Documents don't matter. The only thing that matters is loyalty.
So this is not about assuming crimes. It's we're recognizing a pattern. Trump looked at the public metaphorically on Truth Social and he said something provably untrue. Either he has flown on Epstein's plane or he hasn't. He did but claimed not to. So at this point, I don't believe we have any responsibility to treat his further Epstein denials as credible. We are not required to suspend judgment. We are not required to pretend it was just a misunderstanding, especially if Trump was on Epstein's plane with family members. "Oh, I forgot that I've flown with him multiple times, including with my own family." The records now prove him wrong.
So from here on out, anything Trump says about Epstein evidence requires us to be extraordinarily skeptical. And we have moved beyond "trust but verify." We are at, "He has lied, and we have caught him lying." Now, I want to again, and the reason I'm saying this is because I see some of my friends on the left, going too far. None of this proves that Trump committed any specific crime. He may have, but we at this point cannot genuinely say that. And I continue to express concern that there are those who are going beyond what the evidence suggests right now.
Trump's been caught lying about his relationship with Epstein. Could he have been downplaying the relationship because he did commit a crime? Yes, that is a possibility. Could he have been downplaying the relationship because he simply believes it would look bad for the scope of that relationship, even absent any Trump crimes to be publicized? Yes, that could be the explanation. Could Trump be so deep in cognitive decline that he doesn't remember that he flew with Epstein? It's possible, right? I mean, if we believe that he is declining, we have to consider the possibility that he doesn't remember. But he has been caught saying something that is provably untrue. And whether it's because of a memory issue or because he's trying to participate in a proactive cover-up, he cannot be trusted with regard to his relationship to Epstein and the value of the evidence.
Now, after the break, we are going to look at what some of the fallout is of a lot of this stuff, and also we have this leaked succession plan for MAGA that really reeks of the actual TV show Succession. So all of that is coming up. It's Christmas Eve. We do have a Christmas message from the President. We've got a Christmas card from the President. We'll have time for all of it. Glad you're with me today. Thanks for watching. Check out this other video, and if you like our content, make sure to subscribe. So YouTube puts our videos in your feed and subscribe to the podcast on Spotify and Apple.
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