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talk. Let's speak now with Pearl Davis, an American YouTuber, political commentator, self-described anti-feminist known for challenging modern dating, opposing divorce, arguing that society encourages women to be terrible. Pearl, nice to have you with us. Uh, good to see you. We did actually meet about a year or so ago because you were in this building. I think you were on with Piers, weren't you, about 18 months back?
>> Oh, really?
>> Yeah. Okay. You don't remember Piers Morgan? Nobody can forget him. Um, no. I remember Piers. Is he doing well?
>> He's in the hospital.
>> He just broke his hip, but he's still back doing it, though. You know, nothing stops Morgan from functioning.
>> Are he still going?
>> Yeah, cool. [laughter]
>> It'd be great. He'll be so happy to know he's still going. Um, I'll pass on your love to him. Um, listen, I mean, we had many reasons we wanted to talk to you. Uh, you're not orthodox in the conventional sense. A lot of people are fascinated when somebody calls themselves anti-feminist. Just tell us what is an anti-feminist? What do you And if you had to write that out as a paragraph, what would it look like?
>> Um, what's the right term? I would say I would describe what's going on. And right now, feminism has given women a lot of power in society and all of society is crumbling because of it. Um, you can see this in family court. Most men don't have access to their children um after following a divorce. You can see this um just in like the behavior of women in society. Um, essentially, we're just drunk on power. Um, anti-feminist, the challenge with that term, it kind of assumes you can do something about it and the world's kind of going the way it's going.
>> And there's nothing you can do.
>> So many would just simply say, no, hang on, Pearl, this is equality. We just, it's just equality. Years ago, you go back to the '60s, you can go back further than that. Women didn't have the vote. Uh, women stayed at home. Now women have careers and this is, of course, you know, in our lifetimes, that's now the norm.
>> I don't really like that view of history because when you think about it, you know, we always talk about how women um don't have like they, they always say, my body, my choice, right? But historically, men had no choice what to do with their body if they were drafted, right? I mean, like they would literally be rounded up and sent to die in war. So, I don't know why we have this idea that women um like in a way, we were a protected class because we didn't have to fight and die to maintain civilization. Men had to do that.
>> Yeah.
>> Like, you could argue men were more oppressed than women. Um, you know, because like, what's our oppression? Cooking and cleaning, really? [laughter] And that's really what, like, that's really what I'm getting at is, um, it's just to the point where women are spoiled brats. I, I did a show the other day and I'm just like, what more do feminists want? You don't have to cook. There's Uber Eats. You have every reproductive right. Like, in the UK, you have abortion up to six months. How much more time do you need, ladies? That's insane. Like, that's crazy. Um, and they say it's about equality, but then why don't men have equal rights when it comes to their kids?
>> Yeah.
>> Why, why don't, why isn't it 50/50 custody, no child support, no alimony?
>> Is that still the, is that the same in the States as well? Because certainly over here, there's big issues around that.
>> Yeah. I mean, it's everywhere. I've done interviews on that topic in like Ireland. Um, here, uh, I've had people, there's a guy in India who actually filmed like a 60-minute video detailing how he was going to kill himself, and he was doing it because of family court. Like, this happens everywhere. Um, so essentially, feminism, what they want to do is they want men to fund their lifestyle. And so they do that either through government benefits, through taxes, child support, alimony, and then they still claim and say that they're oppressed.
>> So, yeah, it is that, it's a curious claim to make, isn't it? After a man's just lost his children, it's rather sort of bizarre, but you're right. I mean, it is definitely tilted in a, in a curious direction. Um, some would say, however, you know, nonetheless, it all comes back to yes, if you want to be a housewife and a homemaker, as I think the, the, the fancy phrase now is, then, um, then what's wrong with that? You know, that's great if you want to, but if you don't want to, what's wrong with that as well?
>> Well, there's nothing wrong with it necessarily. Um, but the challenge is women tend to make their problem everybody's problem. So, if you want to work and work for a lifetime, that's fine. But women make 85% of consumer buying decisions. And when you think about it, that's especially insane because we're close to equal on the pay gap.
>> So we spend money we don't have.
>> And so essentially, like, what women do is they run out of money in their late 20s, early 30s. They have college debt in the US. Then they marry a guy to pay it off, divorce him, and then he pays for the rest of their life.
>> Yeah. A man never ever picked his own kitchen, right? He never, I don't know that term.
>> No, literally picked his own kitchen. You said women make most of those kind of consumable decisions. Um, and that would be true. And I guess also across other areas of a relationship, things like divorce, which is another element that I know you've talked about. Divorce should be, divorce should be illegal. Did you really say that?
>> Oh, yeah. I did. I did update my opinion. Um, mostly because so many men are tortured in marriage, um, where they're not getting sex, their wife has gained a ton of weight, um, she's just kind of being a right? And so I was like, do you know what? I don't think those men should be tortured for a lifetime. So I, I changed my opinion on that.
>> So, so is putting on weight a reason for divorce in that case?
>> No, because women are the ones gaining more weight.
>> Right? Well, I mean, there's a lot of big guys out there, right?
>> Yeah. But if you, here's the thing. I mean, just in my experience, a lot of times the men are kind of held back by the women, because, um, like the women tend to have worse eating habits than the men. Um, it's partially because they have higher testosterone, or men have higher testosterone. So women crave sugar more.
>> Right?
>> So they're the ones bringing the Uber Eats into the house. They're the ones, like, women bake. Men don't really bake. So it's, it's a basic issue then of, so that, that's a, a physical visual thing, right? I mean, that's a, uh, some would say a superficial issue if a woman is, you know, has put on weight. Uh, but you still love her. Does it matter if she's a little bigger than she was when you first met?
>> Well, it doesn't matter, um, to men. Men kind of get wife goggles, to be fair. But women are the ones divorcing.
>> So it's not even a reason for divorce, really. What about, um, the voting issue? Because I know you've talked about this before about women um having the vote. Women never used to have the vote. Some men never used to have the vote either. Where do you still stand on that, Pearl?
>> Um, well, I'm an egalitarian. So, I'm, I say give women the, women have been complaining for 50 years for equality. So, give them the equality they, they asked for. Um, and that goes with voting. In the United States, um, men are fined $250,000 if they don't sign up for selective service. And, um, women don't have to do that. So, unless, the reason women didn't vote historically is because men were expected to go to war and be drafted. You're voting for your commander-in-chief. So, if you're not 50% of the military and 50% of the front lines, um, you're not really equal, are you?
>> What about the future then of all of this? I mean, you know, do, do you, part of what you said at the beginning sounded like that you were resigned to the fact that the battle that you believe needs to be fought has kind of been lost. So, is that,
>> conservatives lost?
>> It's cooked. We're done. Um, unfortunately, I don't like to sell hope. Um, I watched a lot of conservatives do that the past decade, and in my lifetime, OnlyFans has become normal. Like, so you're obviously not winning if I think it's like 10% of women between 18 to 25 are on OnlyFans. Um, if you include women that do, are on sugar baby websites, if you include, you know, like straight prostitution websites, um, I have people that have estimated it's like 25% of women under 25.
>> Wow. I do find,
>> how can I say, how can I say we're winning? Well, I was going to talk about social media, but I do find it interesting that we live in this kind of bizarre world of conflicting messages where we're talking, you know, don't objectify women, and we've never, don't, you know, to look at a woman in a way that might be more than, you know, you might be looking, sizing a woman up and thinking, do I, you know, I quite fancy this woman, uh, or whatever. Don't all of that stuff is almost illegal. It'll land you in jail, uh, pretty much. And yet, we are simultaneously in a world where we've never seen more people take their clothes off.
>> Yeah, for sure. Um, what you're going to see is women spend money even when we don't have it. So, this allows everybody to raise the price of everything. It's why college is so expensive in America because even if it's six figures of college debt, women will still buy it.
>> So then what happens is the, um, women, we, we rack up a bunch of debt, um, and then how do we pay it? It's either marriage or sex work. And based on women's choices, women would rather be sex workers than wives.
>> And do you think social media, just to extend that, I don't know whether we would call OnlyFans social media, but it's a form of, I guess, under a similar umbrella. How do you, where do you place social media as a general thing in terms of how it's influenced the society we currently live in?
>> Yeah. Well, it's a pipeline. So the, the challenge is young women now, um, you know, sorry, there's an ambulance going by. Um,
>> all right.
>> the, the challenge you get is when women have social media followings, which is kind of, it's pretty normal. That's the new world. Um, they have the opportunity to start an OnlyFans and make a bunch of money. Not all of them do. Um, but it's also a funnel into sugar babies, um, getting flown out, and just like promiscuous activities. Um, and you see this a lot when women's social media careers are, you know, dwindling. You see them dropping OnlyFans. So, um,
>> is, can society be saved then? I mean, are you still, Pearl, the, uh, the flag waver for the change that you crave? And are you someone who isn't all of the things that you clearly detest?
>> Well, I can't change the way society is. I don't have political power, right? I'm not a politician, and I'm not in the government. So, um, I don't, I just don't predict it's going to get better. I don't see any indication that the trends are going to change.
>> But do you, do you think as a woman, yeah, but I was going to say, do you think as a woman that you should be, you know, is, is your place in the home? Is your place as a homemaker? Is your place to please your husband? Is your place to be the person that spends but doesn't earn? Is that your disposition?
>> I mean, it doesn't matter what it is or isn't, right? What my place is or isn't or should be. Like, should is just make a wish, and we have the society that we have.
>> But what is your wish?
>> Um, I, I think that's a waste of time. So this is the way society's going.
>> So we've lost, your, your battle is lost. Is that what you're saying?
>> Yeah. Unfortunately.
>> You got to, you got to think of another job then. I mean,
>> you got to, Oh, no. I'll be employed forever because I mean, I'm going to cover this stuff.
>> Yeah. But just like you will. But here's the, the challenge. Women make 85% of consumer buying decisions. Meaning all of the companies have to think, do I want to make $8 or do I want to want to make $2? Everybody's going to pick eight. Nobody's going to stop. Or who they're going to say, I want to make $2 out of virtue. No. So that's going to make everybody have to lie to women. Um, in order because in order to, like, when you lie, women buy.
>> You know, you'll be young forever. Here's Botox, right? Here's the, here's the clothes. Here's, I mean, it's actually incredible, um, that we spend 85, like 85% of consumer buying decisions are women, even though we make less than men. Like, think about, think about that.
>> Do women make so much money?
>> Do women make much less than men these days? I mean,
>> but we spend way more. That's the point. It's very close, but we spend way more. And you, and you can see it. Come on. You know, I don't know if you're married, but like, every married guy knows his wife runs his credit card more than he does.
>> Well, that's why I mentioned, that's why I mentioned the kitchen point earlier that I don't think you quite picked up on that. You know, when it comes to spending out money, then yeah, you will normally find that the woman of the house will select which kitchen you have in terms of consu. [clears throat] Well, I think that's that's arguably true. Well, I'm trying to feed into what you're saying. Are you saying that? No, I'm saying I've interviewed,
>> so the math. So now you're contradicting yourself.
>> No, I've interviewed a thousand women in London. Women cannot, across the board, cook. That I, if anything, I see more men that can cook now than women. Women.
>> No, I don't mean cook. I mean select the kitchen that you want to buy for your house. I'm, I'm struggling with the kitchen reference here.
>> Oh, sorry. I'm over my head.
>> Yeah, don't worry. It's, it's called a kitchen. It's got a cooker and a counter and stuff in it. Those things. Those things. Um, so in terms of where you go next, um, you continue this, this fight for a more conservative world, or you just talk about how we never got there despite all of the voices who are hankering for it, the late Charlie Kirk, people such as that, uh, that have done the rounds, have huge media followings who would agree with much of what you say. The battle is lost, and your job now is just to talk about how it's lost.
>> I mean, I can in good faith sell that dream, and a lot of them are part of the problem in a way. Um, I mean, a lot of, a lot of them are platforming um women that are not really, like, instead of platforming smart, intelligent men, like they've had porn stars on their platform. Nicki Minaj, I think, is in the White House now. What credibility does she have to be there? But they have to pander to women. When you start to see, like, influencers enter a niche or space, it usually means they're pandering to women because men care about men that are competent, where women care about who's popular. So they're, they're part of it.