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Um, I'm gonna I just Are you okay if I
record right now?
>> Yeah. Yeah, you can.
>> Okay.
>> Well, you know what was going on there
in Alabama where they got caught with
those 10 kids? Um, that's just
essentially what I came from, you know,
something like that. And I, as I
understand it, five of the kids out of
the 10 were related to the people
running the operation,
>> the Trump operation.
>> Yes. And you know,
>> in as much as as as these people are
going to go down, they were working for
somebody.
>> Yeah. So, you know, I'm sure that those
people and and they deserve to to go to
prison and all of that stuff, but they
were running this deal and filming their
films and doing all the things that they
were doing for somebody else.
So, whoever I mean, Epstein's not
running it anymore because Lane
Maxwell's in prison, but I I would
I would just about guarantee you that
wasn't the end of it.
>> Yeah.
So, with those when we we were just um
discussing with the the parties, those
those torture parties with the girls at
the brothel, they'd go to the parties
and often they didn't come back from the
parties. Summarize again what what what
was going on there?
>> Well, sometimes they would go to the
party and they would they would be uh
beaten to death or tortured to death um
at the party by the client. Other times
they would go to the party. Um, and
depending on
the I know sometimes the status of the
person that that uh that the girls had
been an escort for would be problematic
because they wouldn't want to leave like
a witness.
So
>> you mean an individual that was
considered high-profile?
>> Yes. I couldn't name names on that. I
don't know who, but
uh yeah, sometimes they didn't want to
leave the uh the girl alive.
>> So, how often when the girls from the
brothel would go to the parties, how
often did the girls not come back?
>> If I had to guess, I'd say like half the
time.
>> Half the time.
>> Yeah. The parties weren't
something that happened all that often,
you know, like
it may around like the federal holidays
and stuff like that, Labor Day, you
know, uh, Fourth of July where where you
typically would would think of as a
4-day weekend.
>> Yeah.
>> And, you know, not all of them had
parties. Uh well, I guess all those big
wigs have parties, but you know,
uh not all of them were were were those
type of parties where they had underage
people, I guess. So, I don't know. I
don't know how that was that part was
organized.
>> Yeah.
Yeah. So they seem to tie the parties
with holiday weekends and things where
could be presented
sort of like oh they were just was a
Labor Day party or it was like a
>> Christmas holiday parties some parties
at the locations but was always where
the parties were then dwindled till
eight or 10 of the more depraved
pedophiles.
This was when a lot of the more depraved
torture and rape and murder occurred.
Correct.
>> Yes.
>> Okay.
>> And I just think that that's an
important distinction because a lot of
those people that did go to those
parties and might have done some cocaine
and might have, you know, had a an
affair or or whatever with a an escort.
It it just doesn't rise to the level of
what happened towards the end of them.
That's a different, you know, there
there's an illegality of what happened
in the beginning of that, but then
there's, you know, obviously there's
there's different levels of of
everything.
So, and I think to some degree the
people that that were were waiting there
to the end of the party, I mean, they're
using all of those other big names and
stuff that may have done things that
they're not proud of as cover.
>> Yeah. you know, it couldn't have
possibly happened at this party because
hey, you know, everybody and their
brother was at that party.
>> Well, I think they were pro. Yeah. And I
think they were probably trying to get
information on all of those attendees
and sort of to use as a
a protective blackmail layer regarding
the more depraved torture and murder of
American children.
>> Yeah. Did you ever in those years did
you ever see any one other than American
children?
Okay.
Let me ask you another question now.
Something I think just contextually and
just more to to get a sense. I know it's
not what you would want to swear in a
Bible because your recollection is
unclear, but
you know, you talked about um
you know that there are individuals that
that
you thought might have been involved
that you that parties that that had
assaulted you. Are you are you okay to
talk about some of those individuals?
Now, I'm asking
specifically to to get more context, but
specifically especially in terms of how
we're looking at proceeding
prosecutorially.
I want to make sure we're talking to the
right folks,
especially considering how many folks
did attend some of those bigger parties
before these whittleled down to the the
hardcore
torturers. I've I've really kind of
shared the people that that I have a
clear recollection of. The rest of it
just kind of melds together into
something that I that I can't I can't
verbalize well enough to to make an
accusation in any direction.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, and and for some of that type
of stuff, you just kind of just go off
into another place. There's really no
other way I can describe it.
>> Yeah. So, I mean, you you you you deal
with the aftermath,
>> but as far as the actual incidents
incidents, most of them are are blurred
out, you know.
>> Mhm.
And you said in terms of the parties
with the girls with the brothel that um
they didn't come back that they were
sort of sold they were told that the
girls had gone on to the mansion or to
maybe somewhere a mansion overseas to
kind of live out their dreams. But
>> cases the girls were either
>> tortured and beat to death at the
parties or sometimes shot.
Yes.
>> And what would you say was the average
age of the girls there?
>> If I had to guess an average, I'd say
13.
>> 13.
>> Right. a a couple maybe a year or two
younger, a bunch of them around that
age, and then and by a bunch, I don't
think there was ever more than five or
six there at a time, but even in the
short time that I was there,
you know, it was
Samantha was the only one that was
there when I had gotten there, I think.
>> Yeah.
So,
>> and you said so five at a time at the
brothel.
>> Mhm.
>> Okay.
>> Something like that.
>> And then at the parties when when it was
just like the the eight or 10 of the
more depraved pedophiles,
how many kids at the parties then?
>> Just, you know, maybe a couple.
>> A couple. Two or three.
>> Yeah.
So 8 to 10 adults and two or three
children.
>> Uhhuh.
>> And you said the adults would vary party
to party, but some of the adults were
similar or the adults were different
party to party. Uh there were faces that
you you
that I saw more than once and you know
in in being able to recognize people I I
I have given all the ones that I really
kind of recognize.
>> Yeah.
>> But you would get a sense of of who was
more safe than others.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. My sense is that how that was sort
of organizationally structured is that
there
there were
sort of satellite setups that there was
more use of the smaller airports and
even the smaller planes to transport and
there was use of private investigators
to recruit and then get intel even
kidnap and then silence victims. and
that they did use the bigger parties to
provide sort of criminal cover
for the more targeted parties and that
they try to keep a tight lid on the
targeted parties in terms of the number
of pedophile participants and the number
of
children per party in terms of victims,
>> right?
And there could have been other
locations, like you said, you didn't
experience awareness of where the the
perpetrators would target different
victims in different locations, two or
three at a time.
>> I'm sure that they they had I don't
know, it was almost looking back on it,
it was it was it was pretty well
organized. So
>> yeah,
>> it it would be hard for me to believe
that that it was only happening in that
one place. I I I never went to a
different place that I can recall, but
yeah, I would think
>> Sorry. Go ahead.
>> Oh, no, no, it's okay.
And do you have any sense of where like
you've spoken, you said there was lots
of farms, different locations, but were
you taken more often to one specific
farm that that you seem to remember
more? Is that correct?
>> No. Um, there was one in Tennessee that
I went to a couple of times. Um,
and then another one in Alabama a couple
of times and then I can't really
remember
specifics other than those four.
>> Yeah.
>> And then one, let's see, we went back to
that one. That was those two times.
Yeah. That's that's really
all I have much of a recollection of. I
know that I attended more things than
just that. It's just that as far as the
specifics go.
>> Yeah. In terms of location,
>> it's hard. Yeah. It's it's they're old
memories, too. Some of them go back, you
know, like 9 years old.
>> Yeah.
Okay. So,
um
I'm asking a bit like I say in terms of
like
figuring out sort of
simply in terms of finding the right
prosectoral support and in terms of
carefulness of us getting those
copies of those reports like it's sort
of a weird chicken in the egg thing in
terms of like you you know, some of the
police departments, they'd want to look
at copies of reports, but we want to get
those copies of their reports safely
without triggering anything in terms of
United States surveillance.
>> Well, I all I can do is ask them, you
know, like if we're if if I'm being
watched and they're going to see what I
do, but I don't know. I can't really
worry about it anymore.
>> No, you can't. You can't. You can't.
I mean, what's what's your sense in
terms of what's really right for you?
>> I I have no idea to be honest. Uh I'm
kind of curious. I I want to go up there
and get that police report and if if if
I'm able to get that, then I'm excited
to try to get the the next thing.
But
I just have to make some headway
somewhere.
>> Yeah. Well, let's just go report by
report and I'll figure out I know that
there's a bunch in terms of Freedom of
Information Act requests. I want to talk
to the police officer again here. I
mean, obviously, whatever the police
over
talk to the the police officers in the
intel division, they they wanted to call
me. So, like I say, I'll follow up and
I'll say, "Look, we have these other
reports." I can say to them that see if
we get sort of the document I've got out
filled out a bit in terms of list of
evidence you can just just say here
there's there's a you know just list of
the number of police reports from
childhood CPS reports all those ones and
then we can just sort of look at what
we've requested get some information
then I can
when I get the the flash drive or the
audio so the
documents to the police officer to
listen to, then I can say, "Here, look,
this is what we've worked on, been
working on so far, and I'll just tell
her my concerns in terms of if we ask
for a bunch of these reports, is it
going to flag anything, you know, that
would be in any way, you know,
considering the situation, I'll just ask
if they can run the reports even or who
they could tell me that could run the
report, some of those reports,
um, that I could ask if the police
department can't there must be somebody
else who I can speak to on Vancouver
Island that can just run those reports
or or in Ottawa or something without
flagging anything. Some of the
journalistic organizations where there's
tons of requests going through, I just
want to be super careful
um in terms of where the request comes
from, you know, just so there isn't any
inadvertent attention on you. Right.
>> Right.
You know, obviously I'm fried.
>> Pardon me.
>> I said I am fried. I'm going to have to
let you go. I got to I got to uh I got
to listen to some music, man.
>> Yeah. No, no, don't don't worry. Are you
Are you okay?
>> Yeah, I'm I'm okay. This just really
takes me to kind of a dark spot, man.
And I just I I kind of need to I need to
listen to some music for a while.
>> Okay. No, I understand.
Enjoy some music. Enjoy some quiet. and
um you know, take care.
>> All right, I'll I'll talk to you later.
>> Okay, I'll talk to you soon. Bye-bye.
>> Bye-bye.