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The jogan Experience. So we're following and pleading with him all the way out there. Please, just tell us. Please, I swear on my life, this happened. He gets in the car, doors open, he looks up, and the only reason why I'm telling you this is because he died. He looks up at Marco and I and he goes, "It happened." Closed the door and off you went.
Now, the reason why I share that is because that's not something that I can put any weight on for the documentary, for people like you, right? But as a personal message for me, knowing that level of validation on the inside, it kept us going. It was like, "Okay, why on Earth would he have done that? Why on Earth would he say that?" And that kept Marco and I going, and that was a personal level of validation.
Is there any conventional explanation why the military shut everything down? Why they had military barricades set up around that area? No. They did try to say that the creature was this guy who's like, got like some deformities. Um, but I've seen the guy. Modine or something like that. But you talked to the witnesses. But why would the, why would the military shut the town down because of a guy with deformities? And then for the doctors in the hospital, they said, "Oh, there was a like a [ __ ] having a baby or something weird." Just something that was just so ridiculous. It was like, and you talk to the witnesses, and they're just like, "Oh, come on. I'm not even going to, you know, that's laughable at best." You know, I mean, these girls came within eight to 10 feet, three, three women. Kata, two sisters, Liliani and Valquíria, 14 and 21. They got within 8 to 10 feet in broad daylight of this creature. And one of the things that doesn't come across in the film, when they saw this thing, they're looking like, "What are we looking at here?" They're walking through this field, and it's up against a cinder block wall. And one of them looking at is, "Is that a, what is that?" And it was crouched by the wall. It was weak and feeble. And, uh, one of them kind of like screeched like, "What is that?" And it turned and it looked right at the girls, locked eyes on them. Liliana grabs her younger daughter, her younger sister, who's 14, Valquíria, and makes a high tails it out of there. Kata is 21, she's frozen in her tracks, locked eyes with this creature, and it's communicating with her. "Please help me. I'm, he wants help. It's, we, it's weak and it's feeble and it's scared and it's crouched down." Liliana realizes that Kata is back there. She gets, I don't know, 100 feet down the path. She leaves her sister. "Stay here. I'm going back to get Kata." She runs back. And I asked Kata, and I asked all the girls, during that moment of contact, when you lock eyes, I know it's only a brief second, but during that moment of contact, what did you feel like? Put me there. That's where the title comes from, "Moment of Contact," because that was when they locked eyes on this creature, and that's when Kata said, "Help me. I'm scared." And it was feeble and and suffering. And it's, it's a very powerful moment.
And, and, and these girls have been saying the same thing. The mother, it's the first time I'd ever reported on these so-called like men in dark suits that show up and intimidate witnesses. To honestly, I've been hearing about those cases for so many times, but I've avoided them because it's got so much baggage from Men in Black. It just, it's just ridiculous. I just didn't want to be associated with it. But I'd heard it. I can go on until I'm blue in the face. I go till tomorrow morning with the amount of cases with generals too. But this time, when the mother said that these men showed up and tried to get the daughters to say they were lying and offered her a briefcase full of $100 bills and they could relocate. Um, I don't know. For some reason, I said, "Okay, for the first time in 25 years, I'm going to report on these guys." And I did. And it's in the movie. You can hear the mother talking about it, and she's so emotional. And the mother comes back to the location where it had happened. The smell, that stench, and the footprint on the ground. I mean, everybody talks about that stench. That was so, they said, if you ever take like a, a skunk, multiply that by like a 100,000, that would give you some indication of the level of like how putrid and nasty. It was paralyzing, and it stayed in, like it stayed in the areas. Like at the hospitals, when they did the x-rays, and everybody talks about it, that stench. They're like, "This is unbelievable. It fills your nasal cavities and doesn't leave for a week." It was incredible. And then they all said the same thing, and they couldn't get it out. They couldn't get it out. Yeah, they sanitized the hospital. The, the guy said that he had to close off that wing in the hospital while they were sanitizing it because it was so intense. You know? So I, I, how long did it last for? I heard days and weeks is what I heard from people. And, and even the mother said when she, when she went to where the creature was, she said that the stench even there, after the creature was gone, got in her nasal cavities, and she tried to flush it out with water and saline, whatever. And, and, and she couldn't get it out of her nasal cavities. Really crazy. But they all did. I mean, everybody talked about that stench. You know, I mean, the military officer, the guy that drove the creature around. I was sitting across from him. You can't see his face, but I did. And I'm looking at this guy in the eyes. I'm thinking, "I could be looking at a guy that drove a [ __ ] alien around." You have no idea, dude. You have no idea.
How did he describe it? So [ __ ] intense. When I came back from that trip, people were like, "How was your trip to Brazil? What was it like?" Man, they got great, you know, uh, smoothies and coffee. And I'm just like, "You guys have no idea. I think, I think an alien spaceship crashed, and they recovered live aliens, and we made contact, and the Americans came in." That's what I'm thinking about. So I told a couple people on the last trip I came back, I was just like, I was so rocked. I couldn't re, I couldn't reintegrate back into culture. It was, Joe, I was just like, [ __ ], I think this happened. It's the biggest story ever. So people were asking me, even my neighbor who runs like the, he runs that Make-A-Wish Foundation, and he was like, "James, he goes, bro, I like you a lot, and I got a lot of respect for you, but you lost me on this one." And I was like, "I don't blame you, bro. I really don't. But listen to the witnesses. Just, that's all I say." Just, and, and I would tell people, and I realized I can't talk about it. All I can say is, just listen to the witnesses. Don't take it from me. But I'm looking at that guy in the eyes, Joe, and I've been at this for 30 years. I've made almost, I'm working on my seventh film right now. I'm looking this guy in the eyes, and I'm like, "This guy probably drove an alien around." And it tripped me out so hard, and it ruined his life. He's, he's to get this guy to go on camera. Just like a week earlier, he was like, "I, I don't care all the, the world, I'm never coming forward. The risks are too high."
How did it ruin his life? Because you're harboring the secret. You're being watched. You're being told not to ever talk about this, and you're looking over your shoulder all the time. And they call you, the military calls you periodically, they want to know where you are. And he's got this secret inside him that he can't tell the rest of the world. And he's thinking about all the different, everyone's out there speculating, is it real? Is it fake? Is it real? Is it fake? And this guy drove a body around. Just think about that for a second. Think about the doctor who took the x-rays of this thing. Marco Leal, thank you, Marco. You're, you're the man. Marco Leal found him eight years ago, and he was like, he confirmed the story. He was still working at Regional Hospital. He goes, "I'll never come forward." Marco kept going every year, back and forth. Then he retired, and four years after he retired, he agreed to meet with us. He wasn't even sure he was going to go on. And I said, "Look, man, we'll put you, we'll film you from the back, we'll disguise your voice." Showed us photographs of him at the hospital. We know we, he's been, we've been trying to get at him. Excuse me. At the end of the interview, he said, "Thank you. I feel so much better. I've been shouldering that burden for 26 years, and I've so desperately wanted to tell somebody, to share that story with the rest of the world." And you meet these people, and you think, "Why on Earth, they didn't come to us? They're not trying to sell their story." We tracked them down and begged and pleaded with them to come forward. When I found Martha, the sister of the deceased military officer, Marco Chies, we were knocking on doors. I remember the sound guy from from Rio de Janeiro, he was like, "You're out of your mind. What are you doing? Can't just knock on random doors." I was like, "Man, if there's a will, there's a way. I'm going to find this lady." And we found her. And it was like this kind of, kind of sketchy area, you know? It's like when you, when you get out of your car, and you could see like people drawing the curtains back and looking at you, and you're standing out like, "Dude, I still like a sore thumb, man." And then we walked up. I had Marco with me, thank God. And we had camera crews and stuff. It's kind of sketchy. And, uh, Martha appears, and her husband appears in this big, he's a big guy, and he's got like a wife beater shirt on, and he looks like he wants to rip my [ __ ] head off. And I'm like, and she's looking at me, and he's just looking at her going, Martha's looking, Martha's looking at her husband, and her husband's looking at at Marco like, "Give me the signal. I'll kill this guy." That's the [ __ ]. And I was looking at Marco, and I was like, "James, you need to think quick. Think quick on your feet right now." And I said immediately, "Please translate this. I'm, I'm here to give your brother justice. I'm here to get the story out. Please talk to me." And we developed a relationship with her slowly over that. And those were the first words that we exchanged, and we eventually got her to come forward. And we talked. She'd gone forward in the past, but she doesn't know who the hell I am.
I want to take you back to the doctor, okay? What, when you talked to the doctor, what did he describe? He said that, that it was a normal day, January 1996, at Regional Hospital. Every day. And all of a sudden, all these military trucks and police cars showed up at the hospital. They come in armed, and they got a bag, they got a, a thing in a black body bag. And, uh, he was like, "What the hell's going on here?" "They're, you're going to be taking some x-rays." And he's like, "Okay." And, uh, and they had him inside, and they had armed CRS. And I was asking him like, "What was it like?" Because I, when I, when I interview witnesses, I always want them, I always ask them to project. Like, I sometimes I'll even close my eyes because I'll use their words to recreate. So I'm like living it through them, you know what I mean? Mhm. So I'll close my eyes and I'll recreate the scenes in my head with their words, right? It's harder in Portuguese because I'm having to get it translated. But I ask questions like, "What was the atmosphere like? Do, was there any talking?" "No talking. Super tense atmosphere. Very tense. Armed guards on the outside, armed guards on the inside. Military trucks running. Nobody comes, nobody goes." And he said, "First time in my, his, in the history of my career, I took the x-rays, and I couldn't even verify that they were good because they took them immediately." And then they said, "This event never happened." He said, "The stench in the hot, in the, in the hospital was overwhelming." And he goes through the different, uh, x-rays that he took. The abdomen, the head, the arms, the legs, the thorax. I, you know, and, uh, it was incredible. In fact, Uber Rodriguez, if you're listening to this, he's one of the leading researchers. Has gone quiet. Pacini disappeared for 20 years. He, so did he get to see images himself? Did he get to see the body himself? Oh, he saw. He was right. Well, they didn't open the body bag, but he was, he was, he said the stench was just overwhelming. So they x-rayed it through the body bag. They x-rayed it through the body bag. So he never got to see. He did not see the alien, and he didn't get to see the x-ray images or anything. Nope. They wouldn't let him see a damn thing. Nope.
Now, there were two doctors. There was a guy named Roger Leir. Roger Leir. Found out. These are people that I really want to meet. I mean, people are coming forward in droves right now. We just got two forensic pathologists for the first time ever working together to come forward to make statements, and they're providing documentation of the of the autopsy reports done on the deceased military officer. That's the first time ever these guys are coming forward. It's happening right now. Let's explain what happened to people haven't watched the documentary to the deceased military officer. Yeah. So, so right after the three girls came in, came within 8 to 10 feet of this creature or being or entity or ET, whatever you want to call it, about an hour later, it was about 3:00 in the afternoon. I would say probably maybe around 5:00, there were two military guys on patrol on the lookout for something unusual. What they were told, they didn't tell a UFO had crashed. They were on the lookout for something highly unusual. And it was Eric Lopes at the wheel, and Marco Chies, military police in the passenger seat. They were about a block and a half to two blocks away from where the girls had seen the creature a couple of hours earlier. And this thing runs across the car in front of him. He had slammed his brakes on. And without a moment's hesitation, Marco shares jumps out of the car and grabs the thing with his bare hands. Yeah. And he puts it in the back seat. And they drive it to a clinic. And the doctor is like, "What the hell is that? Get it out of here. I don't know what you, you know, leave." So they went to Regional Hospital, and then ultimately it went to Humanitas Hospital. And so we have testimony from military act that when he drove it from Humanitas Hospital, it's in the movie, but he drove it from Humanitas Hospital to, uh, as a military base where it spent the night in the truck for one night. And then it went from there to Espex Campis. It's like a university. It's where all the intellectual, scientific heavyweights reside. And then it was there, I think under examination, according to the witnesses that we talked to, for a day or two. And that's when the Americans flew in to Caxias. And we have the radar military control officer who came forward last year, actually two years ago when we were there filming for the last time. His name is Marco Fetus, F. Rees. And he came forward for the first time, and he said, "Yeah, in January of 1996, this plane came in, USAF," he kept calling it, "United States Air Force, came in without the authorization of the Brazilian government." He was like, "This thing can't land." And some higher up stepped into the room. This is all, this is his testimony. They just relaying what he said. He said, "Some higher up came in the room and said, 'Let it land.'" And it came and it landed at Campis. And then from Campis, two helicopters, according to him, flew to Varginha, Brazil. Varginha, back to Campis. Then they loaded something on the airplane, and then off to the United States. And that's where the case goes cold.