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So, the church, um, today, what the church does is apparently they've been really getting a black eye from this guy who was a former bishop talking about getting advised by the church hotline not to report the abuse. And, uh, the church actually on its newsroom, which is now its apologetic site, apparently part-time apologetics on the newsroom today, I believe it was today, uh, put up a response to this because they've been taken in the shorts. Talk about a black eye. You looked it up and you said, "Yeah, this guy has like millions of subscribers." By the way, please subscribe to this show if you haven't already. Uh, we want to have millions of subscribers, too, if it's not too much trouble. And all you do is click that little button. Okay.
So, he's got millions of subscribers. People are finding out about this. It's going, it's viral beyond description, right? And so now the church is concerned enough about this that they're taking the rather drastic and somewhat unprecedented action of filing or publishing a response to this on their Facebook, on their, not on their Facebook page, but on their website, on their newsroom, getting it right, clarifying claims about the church abuse hot helpline. And they say, "A recently circulated social media video features Bo Oiler." Is it? It's Bo, isn't it?
>> Bo.
>> Bo Oiler. Now, >> listen, this is not just about how great the helpline is. It's specifically in response to this. They actually say this. He's a former bishop of the Mormon Church recounting an experience from more than a decade ago. In other words, how can he remember this? Involving a member who confessed to abuse. His account includes serious allegations about the church abuse helpline because those allegations are not supported by the facts. Additional context from contemporaneous records is necessary to correct the record. This is what the video claims. Okay. And if you go to the next, here, I can probably do this if it's, uh, yeah.
Can you go to the next one there, Bill?
>> You can't do that, but I can, I can scroll down.
>> Oh, you have it actually up. I had, Okay, never mind. What the video claims and now what the records show. Helpline records from August 2013 directly contradict this narrative. Hold it. Stop the presses. What the [ __ ] did you just do, Mormon Church? You just proved that you are lying again. Because not one but two of your official representatives, one of them being Paul Ridding, was two or three years ago in a separate case in which they presented signed sworn statements. And in those cases, the plaintiffs were wanting to get those records. We want the notes. We want the records that are kept of the call that involve this case. And the response was, we don't have them because all the records are destroyed at the end of the day. Signed Paul Ridding under penalty of perjury. I swear that this is true.
Now, what did the church just do here? In order to try and take care of one problem, they stepped in it and they've proven that they're liars yet again. How is it that if the LDS Church and the helpline destroys all the records at the end of every day, how can they go back now to 2013 years ago in order to look at the records to contradict what Oiler is saying? This is a huge [ __ ] up by the church. This is a rookie error. Do they have nobody with two brain cells to rub together to counsel them? This is it. Okay.
Takeaways from the AP's investigation into the Mormon Church's handling of sex abuse claims. Associated Press, December 4th, 2023. That's just a little over two years ago. Deline Haley, Idaho. Paul Ridding, R Y T I N G, who should have a complaint filed against him and probably be charged with perjury. Paul Ridding had been director of the risk management division at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for around 15 years. Okay. When a 31-year-old church member told him that her father, a former bishop, had sexually abused her when she was a girl. So that's the context of this. Okay.
The earlier AP investigation found that the helpline plays a central role in the cover-up of child sex abuse in the Mormon Church, even as the church claims its purpose is to provide bishops with guidance about sexual abuse reporting requirements. Initiated in 1995 when financial claims for sexual abuse against religious institutions were on the rise, the helpline fields calls from bishops about child sexual abuse and directs the most serious cases to attorneys with the firm of Curtain Manki, which represents the church. According to the church, all information about child sex abuse passed from the church members to their bishops is confidential under the clergy penitent privilege. And all information passed from the helpline to church attorneys is confidential under the attorney-client privilege. Meanwhile, okay, meanwhile, Ridding and other church officials have said in sworn testimony that the helpline either keeps no records or destroys all records at the end of each day.
I'm going to say this again. This is from an article in December of 2023, wasn't it? December. Yep. December of 2023. Two years ago. Meanwhile, Paul Ridding and other church officials have said in sworn testimony that the helpline either keeps no records or destroys all records at the end of each day. And I want to know if that's the case, how can the church go back to 2013 and look at records from the helpline in order to write this article?
When Elder Holland sits down with the BBC guy and the guy goes, "Did Mitt Romney, did Mitt Romney make make penalty oaths in the temple?" Elder Holland answers a question about the past with an answer that only fits the present. >> Yes. Are these the kind of games the church plays when it gives its testimony about things? Because there's no way that it's always destroyed its records.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> We felt it was probably a lie, but now the church is admitting it.
>> Yeah.
>> They are [ __ ] liars.
Let's look at some of the things that they were able to look at when they pulled their files of these records that were destroyed at the end of every day from 2013 August. Let's see. Mr. Oiler contacted the helpline three times over a three-day period. Wow. How could they tell that when they destroyed all the records at the end of the day and spoke with both an attorney and a licensed social worker? H, this sounds detailed. At the time of the initial call, helpline personnel understood that a therapist had already reported the abuse to civil authorities. Well, they could have only known that from Oiler himself if that's true. And so therefore, that detail was also in the records that were destroyed. At the end of the day, the social worker discussed steps to support the victim and family. Wow. More details. In a final call that same week, Mr. Oiler confirmed that the therapist had reported the abuse and that the offender had subsequently self-reported.
So, here's the deal. All these details the church cannot possibly have access to because they destroyed them according to the testimony of their own agents in other lawsuits. So, here's the deal. When the church doesn't want to give over the notes that they have, they will lie to a judge. They will lie to a judge and a court and say that they're destroyed at the end of the day. And then now when they want to respond to a viral video from a guy who's a former bishop talking about this incident and they want to contradict it, now they'll go back and they'll magically find from over 10 years ago these notes that they have perjured themselves in saying that they're destroyed at the end of each day. These aren't the kind of notes that are just jotted down as like some, you know, you make a note here or note there. This is detailed. And this almost leads me to believe that it's not somebody writing out notes as they're talking. This is a recorded phone call.
Well, it could be. And the other thing is, um, produce the notes. Okay? Because now that you've lied to us completely without question, you're caught red-handed. And this is lying under oath, by the way. Okay? Which that's what makes it a crime, guys. It's also what's what makes it disbarable, Paul. Um, these, these are such detailed notes that in one instance, when it covers their ass, they let everybody know in legal, in a legal case that their response is that all records are destroyed within 10 days of the thing being, that call being made. And here you have the church going back to 2013 and what looks like a recorded phone call and they have the minutest of details that happened in that. If they don't record, if the thing is destroyed, the best you have is the person who had the conversation who goes, you know, I've had 25,000 conversations, but yes, I remember that one to this amount of detail. No one's believing that.
>> Well, no. It says helpline records. Helpline records. That's why I highlighted it. Helpline records.
>> The heading is what the records show.
>> Yeah.
>> Helpline records from August 2013, which should, which cannot exist if you were not li, telling the truth under oath. Paul.
>> It's a recorded phone call. It's, they've got every single thing that was said. They're not trusting an employee to make notes that are stored in a cabinet or on a disc in a computer. They're recording the phone call and they have the transcript or they have the audio.
So, what I was thinking of before is about the record. So, you've got the records for this case. Okay. Now, produce them for the other case.
>> Yeah.
>> Produce them for the Bisby case.
>> Produce them for all the cases now that you have lied to the courts and said you don't have them. I think those need to have new actions taken and the church held in contempt of court for perpetrating a fraud upon the court.