Interview #47 w/ @TheLeadAttorney (TLA)

[music] Hey, hey. What's going on? What's going on? Welcome to another episode of Ask a Brother podcast. I'm your host, Jeff St. James. And listen, man, this has been an incredible, incredible journey. I'm super hyped about tonight's guest. But before we get underway, make me let me make a couple quick announcements and also let y'all know about a a great guest that I'm going to be having coming up next week.

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All right, y'all. So, um, he is one of the most known lawyers on social media and has been in the trenches of family law for well over 20 years, navigating the complexities of divorce, mediation, and high stakes litigation. He has well over 600,000 subscribers on YouTube and I just checked uh again today. This brother is almost about to eclipse a 100 million views on YouTube alone. So, I'm absolutely honored that he was able to come through. The fact that he even popped up on one of our uh episodes for our men's table with just a comment, I'm like, "Yo, this dude actually knows I exist." So, this is an honor. So, please, please, please help me welcome to the stage and to Ask a Brother podcast for the very first time the lead attorney. What's going on, sir?

>> All right. How we doing?

>> Shout out to Ask a Brother podcast. I love that. That's what's up, man. Thank you so much for the invite. I really appreciate it,

>> man. Uh, hey, thank you for Thank you for saying yes. And and I was telling I was talking to my my my team and everybody backstage beforehand. And I was like, "It's the fact that he even knew that I existed when I sent the email." I said, "This is crazy." He actually was like, "Oh, I've seen your stuff before." I was like, "What?" I was like,

>> "Listen, you're blowing up, man. You are really making a name for yourself." You know, it took me uh 13 months even to get a thousand subscribers. So, a little bit over a year just to get a thousand to get monetized.

>> And here you are just, you know, picking up subscribers by the tens of thousands. And everybody knows who you are. you got really great takes on a lot of things. So, I just really appreciate you uh inviting me to to kind of share your platform this evening and to talk about some things. But yeah, you are really killing the game. I think YouTube is very rewarding rewarding, but at the same time, it's very difficult to do. A lot of people don't understand how much time goes in it to have your stuff uh really good. And um people people really don't see or appreciate the behind thes scenes work that you're doing, but we as YouTubers can look at other YouTubers and say, "Man, you're you're really you're really putting it in and and getting a lot of great results." So, big shout out to you, Ask a Brother podcast. I mean, your channel is just amazing,

>> man. Uh admin team, y'all better clip that up. I'm happy to clip that up for future. Listen, I I thank you. I really appreciate that. And for everybody that's in the chat, make sure you comment first or just let me know that you're here and in the building. And I always like to know who's watching. I don't like these silent watchers. And make sure you hit that super chat button if you have any particular questions or comments that you like me to focus on throughout the interview. If it's not a super chat, there's a good chance I'm probably not going to see it. So, just giving you all advanced warning.

Why don't you kind of just kind of start with just your initial background with getting into law and then you transitioning into content creation?

>> Yeah, getting into law. Um that was a a winding road. You know all all lawyers we kind of have an inside joke amongst us uh amongst ourselves that we can't do math right very very few lawyers could do math and uh I learned at a very early age that math was not my forte. So, I went to college as a business major and then I had to take calculus, but since I didn't take it in high school, I had to take pre-cal

>> and uh I worked really hard that first semester in pre-calculus and I got a D. I was like, well, listen, at least I passed it, so let's go with the calculus. And then they said, no, well, since it's a core requirement, you got to have a C or above.

>> And I was like, uh-uh, just change my major. That's how bad it was. I I really worked hard. That might have been one of the classes I studied for the most in my whole college career, that pre-cal class, and I did poorly, but I thought that I had succeeded. And then they were trying to make me take it again. So, I said, "Well, you know, what is the what is the the the subject or the what do you call it? The the career, what do you call it when you graduate? What's the what's the degree?" That's the word I'm looking for. That doesn't require, you know, really any math. And they said, "Oh, well, English." I said, "Well, just change me to English." And so, I was an English major. I absolutely loved it. Didn't study, you know, I had to write a poem here or there, a little thesis here or there. It was amazing.

>> And I thought I had gotten over until u my last year in in college and you know, I'm sitting down with my advisor and she's like, "Oh, well, you know what? What high school do you want to teach at?" I was like, "Well, I don't want to teach high school. What are you talking about, lady?" She was like, "Well, what are you going to do? You got an English degree. You can't do nothing with that." I was like, "Oh my god, I screwed myself. [laughter]

>> I screwed myself." You can't do anything with an English degree.

>> So, she was like, "You know, you try to go to law school or something, but I don't I don't really know what you thought you were going to do."

>> And so, uh,

>> I wound up in law school. So, you know, I have I have a one of my best friends, you know, he knew that he was going to be an attorney since he was six years old. And when you talk to attorneys, you think that everyone is like that. When in reality, it's almost the opposite. To find someone who knew that they were going to be an attorney when they were eight and just fought their way all through all that, it's it's really kind of the fairy tale case.

>> Wow.

>> Most of us uh end up being a lawyer just because, you know, we have uh degrees like English or history, maybe political science that you really can't do anything with. either you're going to teach at some high school or some university or you're going to go to law school. So, it was kind of the path of least resistance.

>> That is shocking to me that somebody was like, "Well, I needed something to do, so I picked law school." That's like damn near medical school in my mind. That's not your [laughter] regular degree.

>> How long How long was law school?

>> Law school's three years. Yeah, it's three years. And I went to the same law school that I was at uh that I went to uh for from my university, the University of Georgia because I'm from uh Atlanta. So, it's basically right up the street in Athens. Amazing school. I love that school.

>> Um and uh I really can't say enough about the Georgia Dogs. So, I was happy to to kind of stay there and they gave me a full scholarship so I didn't have to pay. I was thinking about I had got accepted to Cornell which was I think number 10 in the nation at the time

>> but [clears throat] you know I'm from Atlanta you know lower class I ain't have that type of money that they were asking for

>> and so when Georgia gave me a free ride I was I was uh ecstatic. So, um, got got into law school, graduated, started working in Atlanta, and then, uh, I I'll be honest, you know, when you're learning, when when you everything is new and it's exciting, and you're like, okay, I'm learning so much stuff. This is so interesting. But as the years wore on, I realized that uh, this is is not for me. You know, I started getting wiser. Uh when you're an attorney, what you're really doing in a large sense is um trading money for for problems, right? And they're not even your problems. They're they're other people's problems. So other people give you money and then they you take on their problems. You become responsible for their problems.

>> Man, imagine if therapists got paid to do the same thing. Oh my. Well, as as therapists, you guys are doing you guys are you guys are taking on other people's problems for pay as well, right?

>> It don't it don't feel the same.

>> Unless you're Dr. Jordan Peterson, the the the tradeoff ain't the same as far as the pay. Um, and then what made you get into content creation, though?

>> Well, I got into content creation because uh I was just burned out

>> from uh from practicing law. You know, there was a time in my career when I thought I was going to quit being a lawyer and I was going to move to Vegas and play poker. Had gotten really big into poker.

>> And uh I had a wife at the time and so I was, you know, she wasn't working. So I was like, h do I really want to take this huge step, close my law practice and move to Las Vegas and become a poker player? If I wasn't married, I probably would have done that myself. I just would have done it. But, you know, if you have a I have a wife at the time and so I was like, you know, let me let me be a little bit more responsible. So, I stayed practicing law. But in the end, I just had to realize that the money wasn't worth it. You know, I started being cognizant that, you know, I'm not going to live forever and I'm running out of time. And so, I need to do something different. I just was not enjoying the practice of law anymore. Everybody was getting on my nerves. Uh the the judges were getting on my nerves. Opposing council was getting on my nerves. my clients were getting on my nerves to be honest

>> and I knew at that point it was time for me to get out but I didn't know what I was going to do. So I started a YouTube channel and I saw during my practice that particularly men were making just some very uh silly mistakes that were kind of ruining the direction of their lives. But these are these mistakes were not complicated. They were very they were very easy. It's like uh like law 101 to me. And so I thought I was going to start a channel uh talk about these mistakes that these men were making particularly in the area of family law, divorce, child custody, things like that. And then I was just going to figure out kind of what I was going to do from there. I didn't know that you could make money on on YouTube. I know that sounds naive. Um I had O'Shea Du Jackson reached out to me and uh um he actually gave me my my first uh collaboration in the sector. There was a a woman who gave me another pre um um let's say a collab before him.

>> Uh she's amazing.

>> But uh I remember emailing um uh O'Shea when I got I got my first paycheck and you know it might have been like

>> I don't know $200 or something. I was shocked. I was like, "Oh my goodness, you could pay a bill, you know, with this. You can pay a cell phone bill or I was I was really naive and I was a little older and you know, these kids know, you know, with Kai Sanad and and I show Speed, they see the money." Yeah.

>> But as an older guy who was a lawyer and wasn't tapped in, I really didn't know you could make money on this. And then um after I got monetized, I I I enjoyed making the videos, but they took so much of my time because I was still practicing at the time. And trying to run a YouTube channel and working at the same time is insane.

>> They have no idea. Yeah.

>> Yeah. And I was spending like 20 to 30 hours per video

>> and then I wasn't even monetized. So imagine spending 30 hours shooting a video. I was doing all of the editing myself. I was teaching myself all this stuff. Yeah. And then I went I wasn't even I was doing I was doing things the wrong way.

>> But at any rate, somehow um I got a little traction and my channel started to grow

>> and I realized that there was a space for people

>> for let's say divorce attorneys to kind of tell men really everyone but particularly men kind of what they've seen. You know, there are a lot of people on YouTube doing reaction channels to this or that, but there are not a lot of divorce attorneys. I don't I don't think I don't think I don't think anyone can name five divorce attorneys on YouTube. And think of how many millions and millions of people there are on YouTube. So, it was kind of like a green kind of like a blue ocean type of thing.

>> Makes sense.

>> And so, I kind of started uh blowing up a little bit. And my channel's changed a lot over the years. And right now, I've kind of I'm kind of laying off the the the the live streaming stuff because I got a I got a cancer diagnosis a couple of years ago and so doing these six, seven, eight hour live streams has become a little bit more difficult.

>> So now um I've become one of those reaction channels that I was just talking about. Yeah.

>> But I've started like five other channels. I just need to make content on them. And they're all going to be focused on um really men and the problems that they're having with uh family law, with relationships, you know, just telling telling these men things that I've seen over the past, you know, two decades. And yeah, you see you see it all after. I hope we do interviews on that too because I think so many men that came out of the marriage and relationship issues [clears throat] and almost being able to have a channel where they can hear those perspectives I think would be pretty pretty dope actually.

>> Yeah. Yeah. It really is a unique voice. And I'm not just saying it cuz you know I'm one of the voices but yeah I could you can name you know tons and tons of of YouTubers even huge YouTubers that do reaction stuff but you really can't name a lot of divorce attorneys on here. So, um I really do think they have a little bit of value to impart. And so, um it's it's been working. You know, these past four, five, six years, a lot of people have kind of been interested in things that I've seen in these trenches.

And uh [clears throat] it's it's incredible some of the things that you see, men's lives getting just absolutely destroyed. We all see it, you know, with celebrities and, you know, all the stuff that they go through,

>> but it's interesting to see it with nonseleelebrities, too, and just, you know, a lot of men just, you know, it's it's it's a lot of suffering.

>> Um, so, real quick, before I even get to my my follow-up question, I want to make sure I eyeball these uh super chats to see if I miss anybody. Uh, Teddy P, thank you, good sir, for the $2 lead. Don't give him the bottom of the bottle. Okay, Teddy B. Teddy Teddy P. Teddy P or Teddy P? Teddy P. He's He's old school. He's a OG. He knows about that bottom of the bottle. [laughter]

>> Uh Sean uh Sean Shandian. Um I'm gonna just say Sean, thank you for the $10. Good sir. Uh yo, you on with the legendary lead attorney LFG. Appreciate you, good brother. Uh who else we got? Uh Mariana, appreciate you for the $9.99. Like and subscribe to this channel.

>> Oh, wait. That's uh Mirina Maur. Oh, okay. [laughter]

>> Uh, so appreciate you for the 999. Liked and subscribed to the channel. Gracious TLA for showing your thoughts tonight, Mr. St. James. Thank you for the support. My guy Boogie Reacts. Thank you, brother, for the $5. The lead attorney here. Shout out to the lead and the brother Jeff.

So, listen y'all. Like I said before, if you want me to make sure that I eyeball and do not miss because there's already a lot of comments starting to filter, I am focusing exclusively on the super chat so I don't get lost in the conversation or miss my mark when it comes to um any particular questions that I'm going to ask. So if you're currently watching, make sure that you're a subscriber. Please make sure you like it and all we ask is that you send it to two, three, four, even five people.

Um, so domestic violence, that was something that, um, I recently did a discussion on with the guys at the le uh, the men's table when [clears throat] it came to like female aggression and a lot of misconceptions when it comes to that. What are your thoughts about just the general prevalence of the intimate partner and domestic violence and how it's often framed versus often what's actually happening in regards to men and women and often how it how it unfolds.

Yeah, domestic violence really is um it's a serious issue and it's an issue that we really don't hear enough about. It seems like we hear a ton about domestic violence, but it I think it really only seems that way because it's so imbalanced.

>> You know, we hear all about male aggression and we don't hear about female aggression. Now, I can tell you that we don't hear we we really don't see the amount of domestic violence that is occurring. We just don't um on both sides. It's it's it's a ton. And uh I don't really know if there's a a huge solution to it. But I will say that the the aggression that comes from uh men towards women is much more studied and exposed than the aggression that's from women to men.

And you know when you talk about uh domestic violence in terms of a female centric point of view they will uh expand the definition. So now it's just not beating. Now it's just not hitting. It's oh, you know, you didn't give her your credit card, so that's financial abuse. Or, you know, you didn't give her the car keys and you know, you moved her to another state, so now it's isolated. Or you raised your voice, so that's emotional abuse. Or, you know, you didn't go to the store when she wanted to the store, so now it's mental abuse. You know, the the definition keeps expanding. Uh, and you never hear any of that uh on when when the man is the victim. You really don't hear about the false allegations. That's domestic abuse. You don't hear about the stalking, the destruction of property. Um, I've seen all of that in my time practicing divorce law. You don't see the weaponizing of the police and police calls. That is domestic violence. I would say you don't really see the use of the family court systems against men as punishment. That is domestic violence. So, you know, there are so many uh ways that that men are victimized, but um there are so many reasons why men keep it a secret. So even though we do not see the true amount of domestic violence that goes from men towards women, uh we exponentially don't see the amount that is from women towards men and a lot of times it is uh much more grave. I was on Twitter today and I saw I was I it was it was amazing to me and and you know thank goodness for Twitter. Thank goodness for social media because you would start to see this stuff. Yeah,

>> there was a woman who I guess a day or two ago. She uh called her boyfriend uh and and got the boyfriend got in the car and they were riding around and so the the boyfriend uh the woman pulled over and said, "Hey, let me give you a uh let me give you a massage." And so the boyfriend reclined his seat in the car and kind of, you know, rolled face down

>> and [clears throat] she was massaging his neck or back or something. And she he started to criticize a little bit. You know, this massage ain't really doing it for me.

>> She pulled out a gun from under the seat and shot that man in the back of the head. Then she drove to his parents' house

>> and uh was trying to use his keys to get into his parents house. When she was fumbling with the keys, his dad opened the door. She shot the dad 17 times.

>> The mom's uh the mom hears all the commotion,

>> comes downstairs. She shot the mom three times in the in the chest in the stomach. M

>> now you would never hear about this stuff certainly uh on a national level. It's just not the type of thing that that you know I'm not sure what state that was in but you know you wouldn't hear that. You might hear it in the city that it occurred in but you wouldn't hear it nationally right especially with you know politics being such a huge issue. That's really all you're going to hear about. So, uh, these types of things, I mean, it's hard to imagine a bigger case of domestic violence than that, right? But you will never hear it. All you will hear about is these political pundits saying that, you know, men need to be punished more and toxic masculinity and we need to raise these boys in a feminized manner so they're not aggressive and they treat women like queens and put them put them on a pedestal. You're not gonna you're not going to hear the real.

>> Wow. So um you know that is one of the things that I wish men knew more that number one there are many types of domestic violence that you can become a victim of and they all should be taken seriously and then number two that your your your life is worth it. You don't have to accept it. A lot of times men think, "Oh, you know, she just slapped me or she just spit in my face or she just talked bad about my mama." But, you know, who cares, right? And what you're really doing is just um you're minimizing your value. You're minimizing your self-worth. If you thought that you were somebody special, if you thought that you were somebody important, if you thought, for example, that you were Jay-Z and you found out that some girlfriend is slapping Jay-Z, you'd be like, "Why is Jay-Z putting up with that? Why is Jay-Z allowing, you know, somebody to spit in his face? Isn't that what happened to him when he was in the uh elevator or something? Yeah. You be like, if you're Jay-Z, why why are you putting up with that? But when it's you,

>> you're like, "Oh, I just, you know, worked down at the plant. You know, she could slap me all she wants." You know, it doesn't it doesn't have to be that way. So many times the problems that men face are rooted in the fact that men do not truly value themselves. They will see the value in a Drake. They will see the value in a LeBron,

>> but they don't see the value when it comes to them. But even though, you know, LeBron might have hundreds of millions of dollars, that doesn't mean that your life isn't valuable, that doesn't mean that you have to put up with with with BS.

>> Yeah. Yeah. And and how do you think men could better prepare themselves or even respond to it in terms of like seeing the red flags or or just what to be on the lookout for early on in terms of this type of stuff?

>> Yeah, it depends on what the red flag is. And I'm just going to be honest because I've I've seen them all and you know, a lot of people will say, "Oh, well, if she if she hits you one time, then leave her forever." You know, even if it's your wife of 10 years. And I don't I take a much more realistic approach. You know, there are some general red flags you can consider like jealousy for example. If a woman is constantly accusing you of things, certainly if she's hitting you, slapping you, spitting in your face, um threatening to get these people in your life, calling the police. One one red flag that that I really hold no exceptions for. uh if you see this, you need to to get out immediately. Is if a woman will call the police on you with a false allegation.

>> Hold on. We can stay right there. [screaming]

>> I've been I've been saying it all along that when she when this goes from just a normal dispute between us, which it could be potentially bad enough to where you're now putting my life in danger and my future in danger and and and the image of how everybody's going to view me. So when the cops show up and I get arrested or if this goes on my record, societyy's not going to view it that you initiated this,

>> they're going to view it as, you know, something I did and I was culpable for. And I've said I've said it to clients like the moment you hear that. And I go ahead and finish. I I really appreciate you putting that one out there.

>> No, I I you know, I know this is supposed to be like an interview, but I I I love the conversation, you know, so we don't necessarily have to be done in an hour because I talk a lot. So we got we got time.

>> [laughter]

>> We got time. But but yeah, I I always have said because I've just seen it so much in my practice that when a woman calls the police on a man for false accusations, even if that man has been married for 10 years, even if that man has two or three kids with this lady,

>> he needs to see this woman as an open enemy.

>> Facts.

>> Not just, oh well, that's my baby mama. not just she's the mother of my kids or she's my wife.

>> You are an enemy to me.

>> And I'll be honest, you know, I don't I don't I don't really think I have any enemies. I've got people online that don't like me, but um

>> if if I had a if I had a woman who was calling the police trying to get me arrested, I would I would absolutely have my first enemy

>> and I would treat her like that indefinitely. And there's there's no coming back from that. There's no apology, you know. Oh, I give you a [ __ ] Ain't nothing coming back from the fact that that you called these police on me. Now, I need to say on the other side,

>> you know, if she called the police on you because you were hitting on her, you know, I mean, you know, there's limits. All right? You know, if there was a reason, a real reason for her to call the police on you, you got to take that. You got to take that L. I'm talking about false allegations.

>> Yeah. um that is a red flag that that that that that signals uh extreme extreme danger.

>> Yeah.

>> But you know, Go ahead. I'm sorry.

>> Yeah, I was going to say um even you kind of mentioned it earlier about a lot of the various forms of of abuse that they try to weaponize.

>> Um you try to use my kids against me. I've heard cases where guys told me in counseling sessions that if they left or if they tried to initiate a divorce, she was going to claim that he tried to touch the kids.

>> That I have actually heard that before. And there were guys that stayed until their kids got older off of something like that. So, it it it it's scary to hear the situations that men can put find themselves in. And I appreciate how you opened up with acknowledging that female abuse isn't always even physical and it's more normalized. And men, like you said, the combo of us not respecting ourselves, but also I think the societal fear of judgment and and and what's everybody going to say or even just worried about what's the consequence of how she's going to retaliate.

That kind of traps men mentally to being stuck into accepting these insane scenarios to me. So, I'm like the moment I see stuff during the dating courting phase and very early, um I I'm probably one of those guys that's very quick to be like, you know, I agree with you. If you've invested a lot of years, if you have kids together, you're probably going to have more

>> room for figuring out what that looks like. But if you're not at that point, it is so much better to just leave when you see and hear those warning signs. So, related to that, um me too, um highprofile men, who is it? Jonathan Major, uh, Bill Cosby, Johnny Depp, Shannon Sharp with the rumors of the settlement. I think this rumors is about 20 million.

>> Insanity to me. Um, thoughts on what men are foolishly doing to even get themselves in these type of situations to begin with.

>> Yeah, You know, when you talk about a Jonathan Major or Bill Cosby, Shannon Sharp,

>> it's hard to lump like the the import of your question is is right on. But if we're honest, you know, all of these Yeah, they're all different, right? They're all different. So,

>> um, that's kind of, um, let's

>> stick with Jonathan Major's first because his situation was one that had video to a degree

>> and it was a lot more that we were able to see versus some of the others whereas like they said it happened 20 years ago or it's just he said, she said like we actually had a little bit of video evidence to show something. Like what are your thoughts about like how that went down and a how the public reacted to it and then why it is that so many high-profile men keep having this happen?

Yeah, I'll be honest. I don't really know so much of the details about the Jonathan Majors. remember apparently from what my understanding was he was in a car with his then girlfriend and

>> um she had you know this is another thing you know apparently she had seen something on that phone

>> and um she tried to grab the phone and then or maybe she grabbed it and he tried to grab it back and I don't know whether there was a little bit of tussling in the car and then he bent her thumb back or something like that but what I do remember

>> is him running down the street and them church shoes in the middle of the night trying to get away from the situation.

>> Gord

>> that and and I love that. That's from from you know out of all the men that we we mentioned I think that Jonathan Major probably handled it the the best in that aspect. Yeah.

>> Uh get away get absolutely away.

>> Um now you know he was came out he was making some crazy statements you know telling that white woman oh you supposed to be my Kretta Scott King and all this and all that.

>> Oh my god. I was like, "My guy." I was like,

>> it was it was one of the strangest cases. And I still root for him because, you know, like you said, he was running. He he was, you know, even down to when he came back to his place, she was waiting in his side of his place or apartment or whatever. So,

>> you know, it was one and that was after she visited a bar or whatever. And and it was it was it was unfortunate that of how he how Marvel and Hollywood treated him because it was like if a guy runs away um and and he's still seen as as and even down to where he I think he tried to counter sue or something and the prosecutor wouldn't pick it up. So, it was one of these things like exactly what you said about how I think there's too many people not only in in society but also in the legal field. They just don't see men as victims.

>> Correct.

>> They just don't and prosecutors included like prosecutors, therapists, psychologists. There are people that literally do not see the humanity and ability for men to be victims in this scenario. And it's like, you're right. These different instances that I gave, each one's different. Bill Cosby's his own anomaly. You know, we going to leave it at that. But can it start with the only fan situation? This is like

>> I'm I'm wondering like what the heck can guys actually do to re cuz outside of staying away from women, which is unrealistic for some men. Like

>> what the hell can we do when it comes to me too? I'm like I I don't know because that's the wild card where it's like the issue with me too is obviously like you want to believe all actual victims but it's this weaponized element of at any point in time a woman can accuse you of anything and I'm like what the heck it's this is tough this is new ter this is tougher territory where it's like it became so normalized from 2015 till now

>> where it's like pre 2015 I went to college you know I did the party phase. We weren't worried about this. This just wasn't

>> this wasn't a thing in high school and college for the most part. It's not that it couldn't have happened, but it was so rare to in terms of it being put out there a and scandal after scandal. A lot of these guys are getting exonerated a and then you know they're picking up the pieces of their lives when they've lost careers, family, marriages, a whole host of things. I'm like you know from your vantage point like what do you think about like why this is even happening?

Yeah, I mean there are some common factors in in these things. You know, if you look at Bill Cosby's situation, for example, you know, one of one of the the issues we talked about the whole uh Jonathan Majors and Ketta Scott King, you know, what he was saying was you are not acting like a woman that I need in my life. But he, you know, he he recognized that. And yet

>> he was still with her, right? These are not longstanding long-term relationships. These are um you know, relationships that are maybe newer and the man knows, hey, this is not my person

>> or it's a one night stand type situation. Yeah, [clears throat]

>> that's even worse. Yeah, these casual relationships, even want to label them as kind of red flags, a red flag or something for men should really be aware of is that these casual relationships can really turn for the worse. If you look at Bill Cosby's uh relationship, for example, that was uh relationship that he had with, you know, all of these women, those relationships were super casual. In fact, he was married. He was married. So anything that he was doing with these other women, you know, apparently at least hundreds of them and you know, maybe all of them were consensual because, you know, he hasn't been, I don't think, convicted of anything. So let's say that. But even if they were all consensual, they were still casual.

>> And men who have a lot to lose need to be very, very cautious about casual relationships.

>> Um, and we see that also with the Shannon Sharp situation. you know, he was with that girl for two years, but you know, she was on Only Fan, so she was doing her thing. And then it came out that their their two-year relationship was on and off.

>> So, if you have a on and off relationship for two years with the Only Fans girl, that's a casual relationship.

>> Yeah.

>> Men need to be very very worried if if they see themselves in these casual relationships. They they should know that they they can turn. And then what we saw in the Johnny Depp situation um is [clears throat] we saw a lot of alcohol abuse. We saw a lot of substance abuse. you know, uh, Johnny Depp, you know, an amazing actor, but, you know, he he was abusing a lot of substances

>> and that could that opened himself up to to behaviors on his part and her part that were uh not acceptable at all. You know, for example,

>> I think uh you know, I haven't haven't thought about this in a long time, but I covered that trial extensively,

>> and I remember that it was somehow I I don't know whether um whether I I believe that Amber Heard threw something at him and uh it it it it shattered or whatever, but he cut his finger uh on that whatever that object was, he cut it to the bone. And then he goes up to the wall and starts writing uh on the wall, you know, with this bone on the wall, writing in his own blood. Well, [ __ ] man. That already lets you know that y'all, both of y'all,

>> bro. When I heard pooping on the sheets, I just knew that [laughter] pooping on the sheets just let me know everything I need to know. How about crazy, chaotic, and then the wild part is in situations like that, it doesn't matter how wealthy a guy is, how famous he is,

>> it it can happen to anyone. And and I try to explain this to guys when it comes to the body count issue.

>> Mhm.

>> Fellas, I'm going to say this as clear as possible. When we were in high school, when we were in school, maybe even college, we may have been in that world of being surrounded and pushed of like, you know, did you sleep with her? did you how many women did you get with kind of thing. When you get older, you realize exactly what you're saying, which is the more women that you give access to in this way, the greater your odds are for being accused of something. And I think it's going to take guy like it takes almost guys to hit 30 plus to really start to realize what that means. It's like in our world, it's all about, oh, I make money now. I'm successful. I I got a great career. I got all these options. And what I'm basically saying is the idea of of endless endless women that you're having access to that you said short-term flings, one night stand, you don't know them. You don't know them truly. And and and I'm trying to tell fellas like the more women that you sleep with, the greater statistical chances that you you you're going to more than likely run into a situation like this. And God forbid you end up like Kavanagh where it's like now you're about to be a Supreme Court justice. Now you're getting drafted in the league. Now you you're you're going viral. And now you have to think about all the women that you've ever done anything with and praying that none of them decide to switch up on you because oh now he has access to money. Now it's an opportunity. I'm like it it it's it's not the trade-off that you think it is. And I know a lot of guys, you know, think that's the end goal for a lot of them. I'm telling they they better be careful. They better be careful

>> 100%. you know how, you know, if you keep exposing yourself to risk, you know, you're just upping the chances that you're gonna you're going to get hit, you know, you're going to lose, you're going to run into a Cardi B who's out here drugging men and, you know, doing all else. I mean,

>> ain't been cancelled yet and doing concerts on top of it. So it man uh Corey Hulk

>> cuz you know my boy uh my boy uh Corey Hulcom

And, um, wait, Cory Hulcom is your boy. In a sense of like, from a comedy perspective, you know, for, you know, back in the day, I was a fan of his, and, you know, he had a little skirmish situation with Anton. Um, obviously, you know, he's pivoted to doing more content creation now, and that's not really my lane, but when he used to do more on stage, I definitely used to be a huge fan of his. Um, you know, we had the big old brewhaha with him and Anton.

Um, what the hell happened? Crazy. This is absolutely crazy. What the hell happened between you and him and his, his, his law, his, uh, legal representation? Because I was hearing conflicting reviews. He's calling, he's saying all kinds of stuff that you were lying and that you didn't reach out to him. Please, for my audience, can you actually break this down? What actually happened between you, Cory, and his legal representation?

Yeah, it was crazy. You know, just to provide a little context, um, he had reached out to me a while back and invited me to his show. And so I went out to Pasadena and I did the 5150 show. And, uh, I thought, you know, Cory treated me amazing. In fact, after the show, uh, him and, uh, Craig, maybe Darlene, I don't remember, but I definitely remember him and Craig, and it could have been somebody else. They took me to dinner.

Wow.

Uh, we had a nice dinner and we talked all about, you know, Cory and Craig and, you know, their backgrounds and, you know, kind of what's going on in the industry. I'm here in Atlanta, whereas they're out in California. And so it was interesting to hear about the industry from people who are in the industry. You know, all of it was new to me. So, I thought the dinner was fascinating and they just treated me amazing.

And then, um, as you mentioned, the whole Cory-Anton thing kicked off. Well, I reviewed that and, um, I said some things that, you know, were supportive of Anton and some things that were critical of Anton. And you didn't hear any Anton say anything. No. I said some things that were supportive about Cory and critical about Cory. Well, you know, if you criticize Cory, you know, to be a comedian, he has the thinnest skin of a comedian I've ever seen. And so I was, and really, I don't know what it was. I don't know if he heard, um, if he heard clips or something because he got mad at me when I did a video largely supporting him. Now, there were some points, I'm going to call it fair, right? So, there were some points that I was critical, but I was largely supportive and I thought that that woman, uh, was not approaching the situation in a righteous way. I thought, uh, she had lied in some of her interviews and I called that stuff out. But anyway, um, even though I was, uh, supportive of some points of, um, uh, of Cory's perspective in that interview, he got mad. And so, you know, he started calling me out of my name and this and that.

Well, right before then, I had reached out to his attorney because I saw that he had an attorney on his show and I was like, "Hey, I would love for you to come on my show because I do think that Cory's getting a raw deal." You know, I have represented women and men, hundreds and hundreds of them over my 20-year experience, uh, 20-year practice, and I kind of have a feeling when people are not telling the truth in these TPO hearings, these, uh, temporary protective order hearings.

Yeah.

And, uh, based on my experience, I wanted that attorney to come on my show. Well, the attorney was like, "Yeah, I'd love to come on and, uh, let me just clear it with Cory." Which is the exact thing that you're supposed to do.

But now, here's the thing that people might not understand. The relationship between an attorney and the client really is sacrosanct. Like, it is so important and, uh, it is very, um, regulated. And so when someone, if I need my client to give authorization for something, no one else can authorize it but my client. It's like, for example, if there's a woman and she wants to get some type of cosmetic surgery, some type of BBL, well, before she gets on that table, she's going to have to sign a lot of documents saying that she consents to the procedure.

Facts.

Is there anybody else who can consent for her? If it's a BBL, some cosmetic surgery, can her friend consent for her? Can her neighbor consent for her? Can her employer consent for her to have this procedure? No, it is her and her alone. And the relationship between a doctor and a patient is a lot like the relationship between an attorney and a client. So when this attorney said, "Hey, Cory has to clear this," I totally understood and I was like, "Man, this attorney, he's on it." Well, he gets back to me and said, "Hey, man, the interview's been cleared." I'm like, "Great." To me, that's like saying, "Hey, the we're doing the BBL surgery." Well, if you do the BBL surgery, who do you think consented to that?

Right.

The patient. The client. Yeah.

Exactly. And so I did a livestream saying, "Hey man, you know, uh, Cory's attorney said that that, um, that the interview had been cleared, that Cory gave his okay and we were going to do it." Well, Cory saw that and Cory started calling me a liar, saying that he didn't clear anything. He didn't clear anything. And when I heard that, I was like, I was like, man, that attorney, because I recognized it immediately, right? And so then Corey started calling me out of my name. And, you know what? I didn't say anything about it. I let him, you know, he started calling me, you know, this and that, intimating that I was gay. Fine, I let him have it.

But he kept going. And he did this for multiple shows. And so there became a point where I was like, I'm going to release the DMs and I'm going to show. I never really do that. So I was like, listen, they're calling you a liar, that you did, you followed it the right way. And I'm like, at the end of the day, do you truly believe he actually ran it by Cory and Cory changed his mind? Or do you think he answered for Cory and then when he circled back, Cory was like, "I didn't agree to this"? I don't know if Cory ever found out until I made my video. I don't think Cory knew. And then, and that's why I said in the video that I said, either you're a liar or your attorney is like, one of y'all is messed up.

And, you know, here's the thing about attorneys. And, you know, attorneys are a lot like cops in the sense that, you know, we don't like to tell on fellow attorneys. Cops don't like to tell on fellow cops. Doctors don't like to tell on fellow doctors. Very difficult to get a good malpractice claim because you need another doctor to criticize the first doctor, and doctors don't want to do that. Lord knows police officers don't want to call out other police officers, and attorneys are like that as well. But, um, I felt like I was pushed to do that because Cory kept calling me a liar. And you can't do that to an attorney. I mean, our reputations, we hold them in high regard.

And so when I made that video, I was surprised because I didn't, I didn't really want to. I wanted to put the video out there, but I didn't even put it on my main channel. I put it on my back channel that had like 15,000 subs. That video blew up. It got like 250,000 views in like a day. In fact, it was so hyped, I got a notification that it was the 13th most hyped video in the nation for that week, and that was on a back channel with 15,000 subs. Cory, the Cory and Anton thing was trending for like a month and a half. So I felt like, you know, you just got thrown into it and I was like, man, so it, you, I think what happened was you just, like, your name just got caught up in it. And when I was listening, I was like, what attorney agrees to something like this and then has this client claiming that it didn't happen? When you know, nine times out of 10, TLA more than likely sent this as an email. You probably didn't just call them up and say, "Hey, you want to bring your client through?" In my head, 90% of your communication is probably going to be via email. So I was like, he had to know at some point you were going to say, you know, I reached out to your lawyer. So it's strange to me why Cory was doubling down on something so simple. I was like,

Well, that's the thing. I mean, I don't know what the hell Cory was thinking. I really don't. I just, I don't know if he knows who I was. I don't know what the hell. Obviously, I guess he knew who he invited me to his platform, right? You're not just going to invite a rando to your platform. So, I don't really know what he was thinking. And, you know, I let him talk bad about me. It's not like he said the first thing and then I came out with a video. I let him get his stuff off. I was on to other things, but he just kept insisting and he really took my kindness as a weakness because I kind of peep game and I was like, "Okay, your attorney's on some bullshit." But then I felt bad because it's a fellow attorney. And I will tell you that when I did that video and it was released, um, there's a YouTuber named Dennis Sperling who is also an attorney, very well-known attorney out there. I think he's in, uh, in Texas over there. And he did a livestream and I couldn't, I couldn't even finish watching it because I started watching, I just started feeling so bad because he was explaining kind of both sides.

Okay.

And, you know, he was kind of backing me up in the sense that, you know, you can't have an attorney, you can't have Cory talk about me like this with my reputation, me being an attorney, and just think I'm going to take it forever. But then I felt bad, too, because he's like, you know, Lee, this is a younger attorney, been practicing what, 13, 15 years or something like that.

You know, it could be the case that someone watches that and then calls them up. Somebody from law school, other attorneys see that, judges see that.

And I was like, man, you know, because again, attorneys are not supposed to call out other attorneys like that. So I started feeling real bad. I even wrote, I was like, man, I can't even finish your day of life. It was an amazing livestream, the part that I saw, but I just started feeling guilty about it because I wasn't trying to attack the attorney because, you know, it was the attorney that was calling me all these damn names, these slurs. It was Cory, but the attorney got caught up as collateral damage.

But then I felt okay with it once the attorney started doxing me and all this and all that. I was like, "Okay, well, fine. I guess you earned it, right? You earned it." But I really did feel. I was actually thinking about making a video before the attorney came on with his stuff. Like maybe even apologizing. I didn't really know. I just, I really did feel like that attorney got caught up in some of Corey's shit.

And, yeah, because I can imagine his emails are probably going crazy. Everybody asking because both the situation with the woman as well as with Anton. I'm sure a hell of, you know, a whole lot's probably coming his way. And who knows between the two of them kind of how it transpired. But listen, man, I felt like you handled it well. And the big thing is you brought the receipts. If people are going to call you a liar, at some level, you kind of had to defend yourself. So, I, um, just a few more questions, man, because I definitely don't want to hold you too long. So, guys, if you're currently still watching, feel free to make sure that you like because I see that the amount of people that's currently watching versus the amount of likes ain't adding up. So, please make sure that you like this. Please make sure that you send it to two, three, four, or even five people. And again, guys, before we wrap things up, if there's any particular comments or questions or things you want me to address or maybe even ask TLA before he goes, feel free to hit that super chat button. Um, you mentioned before, you know, that you were previously married. Um, I was married and before, um, I'm married now. Um, the ongoing debate about the concept of marriage and what's at risk and divorce. Leslie Jones just came out saying marriage and slavery. Men are all talking about the free agent lifestyle from a, I know you're going to be biased because you're a lawyer and you, you know, you have your experience, but,

Wow.

I'm listen, we're going as a man, as a man that's been married before and as a lawyer, but also somebody who's probably still both respected and I think people still are open to hearing just your general objective opinions on like the pros and cons of this. What is your view on marriage in 2026? Is it worth it anymore?

Uh, it's absolutely worth it if it's done correctly. Absolutely worth it. It's kind of funny to me. You're like, "Oh, I know you're going to be biased." I was like, you know, "Damn, Jeff." It reminds me when,

What I mean by that is I know you're going to be biased in the sense of you will at least let us know the risk. You know, there's definitely people who are,

That sounds like clean up. I know you're going to be biased to let us know the risk. I mean, that's not really biased, though, is it?

Well, well, you know, you're fair, fair. Being objective if you, you know, can share both sides to it. Then my lane is when I've asked people this before, my view is is that most people tend to pick a side. They tend to just pick a side. They're either pro it completely or they're anti it completely. And you're right, bias was the wrong word. I think you're going to be fairly objective just based on both your personal and professional experience.

Yeah. You know, I, you know, they say whenever you ask an attorney any question, the answer is always going to be it depends, right? So, we, you know, we're kind of in this situation, but I am 100% pro-marriage, 100%. And I am also 100% pro-divorce.

Oh, advent clip that. Continue, good brother. My bad. Go ahead.

Yeah. No, it's no problem. You know, I think marriage is amazing if there is understanding about what is going on, if the marriage is structured correctly, and if the person, if the man, let's say in this sense, chooses correctly, right? Um, I always say that you only need three things to ensure a successful, happy, long marriage. That's it. Really, all you only need three things. If you have these three qualities, it is a guarantee that you will have a happy and successful long marriage. The first is that you need to understand you, right? A lot of men just assume, "Oh, I want to get married or I don't want to get married." Let's say back in the day in the 80s, 90s, 2000s, men just thought, "Yeah, I'm going to get married." They didn't really understand what marriage was. They didn't know it was a contract. They didn't, they might have knew it, but they didn't know it. They didn't sit down and talk to a divorce attorney, but they didn't really ask themselves, "Why do I want to give? Is it because she got big areas? Is that it?" Like, why is it? Do I really want to just live with her for the rest of my life or do I want to enter into the institution of marriage? Men never really asked themselves, "Do I want to enter into this institution?" They just say, "Well, you know, I don't want her to leave. I don't want her to change. I don't want to go anywhere. I'll get married to her." So, they're not really being reflective on themselves. That's number one. Number two, if they're not doing it for themselves, they're obviously not doing it for the woman. And if you can't know, you know, why this woman wants to get married, who this woman is, and who she will become, who she will be, how she will function in that institution, how can you vet the woman properly?

Right?

So, you have to know who you are as a man and why you want to get into this and if it's even feasible for you. There are a lot of men who would want to get married, but they will never be able to successfully maintain a marriage even though they want to get married. Their personalities do not allow them to do that. Maybe they have low conscientiousness. Maybe they're super extroverted. Um, maybe they're not very intelligent. There are a lot of men who fit this category and there's a building that we have for these men and it's called prison. And a lot of these men who are in and out of prison, they will never be able to successfully have a marriage. Not because they're just bad people necessarily, it's just that institution is not for them. Sometimes, uh, people may feel bad that college isn't for their children. Or maybe you realize that the military is not for you. It's certainly not for me. Maybe the NFL is not for me. Well, shoot, maybe marriage is not for me. Even though I want to be an Atlanta Falcon, maybe that's not in the cards for me. I just can't snap my fingers and the institution of marriage is such that if you're the way that your personality is set up, that can absolutely just not be in the cards for you. And then so that's number one. Marriage has to be for you and you have to have a lot of self-reflection regarding that. Number two, with the woman, the same thing. Whoever you pick, she has to be a marriageable woman. You ain't got to tell the red pill guys that there are a lot of women out here that are not marriage material. All right.

First thing that that's that's a lot. I'm sure the guys in the chat are going to be already saying this, especially those going to watch this later on. That's the biggest, biggest issue is.

You're saying it's the biggest issue, but I view both. It can't be the woman's issue is bigger than the man's issue, right? A lot of men,

Right? I'm just trying to call it fair, right?

Um, but you're right. You're right. It's a huge issue for the women. It's a huge issue for the men. But assuming that marriage is for you and you've done all the research about what you need to do to successfully administer a good marriage, and then assuming that you've vetted properly and this woman is amazing as well and she's marriage material as well, then you only need one other thing. And that one other thing that you need to guarantee a successful marriage is luck. That's all you need. If you have good luck,

I was just going to say freedom.

No, it's luck.

Okay.

If you have good luck, then, uh, that will guarantee you, that will help to guarantee you a successful marriage. It doesn't matter if you are the perfect marriage material and your wife is the perfect marriage material. If you have bad luck, it will never work.

It will. And I have seen marriages fall apart for the strangest reasons. Um, and it's just sometimes it's just unlucky. And life is that way. You know, if you play poker, you can know that, man, I was supposed to win that hand. I had an 80% chance of winning that hand, a 90% chance of winning that hand, a 95% chance of winning that hand. You lose that hand all the time. And that's how marriages are. There's so you need good luck. You know, I'll never lose a hand that I'm supposed to win at 80%. If I had good luck for each or one of those hands, I'll never lose it. And that's how marriage is. So, you need good luck over the long term. But if you have good luck, if you have an ability to be self-reflective and an understanding of what marriage is and an understanding of yourself and whether you can function in it, and then if you have all those perspectives for the woman in order to vet her, I absolutely believe that marriage is super positive. Now, the marriage rates are not great, but that's because very few people do what I was talking about. With this self-reflection, um, it's hard to find, you know, a lot of wealth-building tools that are as powerful as a great marriage. Uh, great marriages have a lot of wealth-building incentives. Also, family building. It's hard to imagine a better tool for family building than a good marriage. But again, you know, uh, a good marriage can be an amazing family builder and a bad marriage can be an amazing family destroyer, right? The same thing with wealth. You know, I'm down here in Atlanta and, uh, Atlanta, you know, has a lot of fame for homosexuals and, uh, we have a park down here, Piedmont Park, and it's a pretty affluent area in some ways. And there are a lot of homosexual men that are down there and they're couples and they're married. You know, we call them DINKs. Uh, it's an acronym, Double Income, No Kids. And these men, you know, you got one man making $175,000, another man making $150. They get married, they got a couple little dogs, and they're killing the game, you know, because they're making maybe $300,000 between themselves and no kids, and every year the investments they're able to do, especially as a married couple, they're murdering it.

Yeah.

Um, and an extreme wealth-building tool marriage can be. Yeah. So, it's just about, you know, knowing what marriage is, selecting your partner correctly, and then, you know, having a little luck on your side. Yeah.

And listen, a lot of guys in this space have definitely been talking about alternatives because they do want kids. They do want many of the aspects that come with it, but they don't like all that comes with the legal process as it relates to the state and how much the state gets involved if it doesn't, if you don't end up having the luck. Um, what are your thoughts about, um, the lifestyle contracts that people are starting to talk about a little bit more? Um, 'cause somebody, and thank you, Geek Surgeon, for asking this. Um, people are starting to propose like contractual agreements in terms of just different things and dynamics of what they can expect from each other. Nothing that's going to the level of mentioning sex, per se, but just to the degree where like there's an arrangement, it's a contract between us, but we're not married. Um, do you think that that in 2026 for some people may actually, if they work with an attorney, may be a legitimate like option?

Um, you know, if you want kids, the state's going to be in it. Period.

Yeah.

Period. You know, the state is going to be the one who determines how much time you're going to spend with your kids, how many overnights you're going to get. The state is going to determine how much of your check is taken out every two weeks to send to this mother, right? You know, there's no lifestyle contract that's going to help you with that.

Definitely, for sure. Yeah.

You know, there was this YouTuber, they had a show called The Roommates. I think they've stopped making content, but there was a guy on there named Hafi. And Hafi, you know, they had a really strong following. And then Hafi kind of went crazy. But he was talking about, you know, he had one of these lifestyle contracts with his, you know, wife or whatever you want to call her. And he was, he was kind of intimating that, you know, he had a provision in there where she had to suck him off twice a week.

That's not, that ain't no.

You can't put that in no damn contract.

Now it's in the contract. Open your mouth. And it's like, dude, you know, some of,

Bro, you know, he must have, he must have made this off ChatGPT himself or something like that. There's just no way an attorney said that this was going to fly. And, and, and I'm like, God, I'm trying, and I 100% have thought about this for a while. And I have talked to some people who have engaged in some of this to a degree. It absolutely, from a contractual standpoint, will not hold up when it comes to children. But in terms of prior to kids, it, there's, it seems to be like the men who are doing it, they're saying like it apparently works where they say both parties can, can, can end it at any point and terminate the contract at any point in time. They can renew it. They have time frames on how long the contracts are, and even in terms of living arrangements, who's going to live where and for how long. Um, it's a strange, strange thing that I think probably we're not even, we're having this conversation because of all the warning signs of what you were talking about of what's been happening to marriages. It, it, it's like if marriages were more secure, undoubtedly, I think more people wouldn't even be talking about something like this. So it's like, listen, we got the celebrities and the lady celebrities all talking about they want to be married but live in separate homes. So I'm like, this is new territory in terms of what I think how relationships are actually functioning in the modern realm. Um, just very interesting. Um, but now, and lastly, Rouslon KD, the big Christian content creator that you had met with previously, he would say when men were like getting divorced or whatever, he would say that a lot of men, I think the argument back then what he was saying was that he felt like a lot of men weren't fighting for their kids.

Mhm.

From your experience, especially when it comes to divorce and family court and whatnot, was that the case or was there more going on for men and fathers' perspectives for why it is that, you know, often times women are often given full custody or primary custody?

Yeah, both. You say, well, Rouslon said that a lot of men weren't fighting for their kids. Was that the case? The answer to that is yes. And then you say, well, was there more going on behind the scenes maybe that Rouslon didn't understand? The answer to that is also yes.

Okay.

Right. And, and really that's what you see. And that's honestly why I came to YouTube to kind of expose what is really going on because you might hear a statistic that says, "Oh, well, men don't try to fight for custody." And then you'll get that from ChatGPT and then you'll say, "Oh, well, you know, men are bad fathers," but you won't understand the why. And it takes somebody who is not in it for theory, who is in the trenches in reality. It takes a practitioner for you to explain to you what undergirds that statistic and why it is happening. And so I think that's my value as a YouTuber. I can come on and say, you know, guys, this is what's really going on. And a lot of men will say, "Oh, you know, these women are terrible and marriage is terrible," and I want to give my two cents is what I've seen. But then a lot of men may say, "Oh, you know, I had a guy on my show who said he didn't want to moose locks for all the OGs who said that, you know, he didn't want to ask his woman for a prenup." And so then, you know, there's education to do on that side as well. You know, there's so much education.

Thanks.

You know, it's amazing to me that you have a whole red pill community. Everyone is saying that marriage is a contract, and yet there are no attorneys in the space. How does that even make sense? That's like having a whole industry about automobiles and which are the best, which are the fastest. You know, you've got this whole industry about automobiles and there's not one mechanic in the space. How does that make sense? And, and, you know,

I realize, and I'm going to let you finish. I realize now just with what you said, we need a whole episode on what does, what does an attorney's view on what a prenup look like for a modern marriage today in 2026 look like? That's a whole hour by it. Oh my god. I'm going to invite you back on, brother, 'cause I know my audience is going to tune in for that. Oh, but continue. My bad. Go ahead. Continue.

No, no. You're right. It's it's crazy to me. So, um, there are a lot of things that Rouslon didn't understand. You know, we kind of got heated a little bit because he wasn't humble in his lack of understanding. You know, if you're a mechanic, there's no way that I'm going to puff my chest out and act like I know as much as you. I don't even know what a carburetor is. I don't know anything about cars. So I'm going to sit back and learn. But a lot of our conflict came because he just felt like he had a statistic or this or that, but he had no understanding of what was behind the statistics. And, um, yeah. So what, so for then for the when it comes to, yeah, a lot of men aren't trying. What's the actual story that you've seen behind the scenes for why it is it looks obstinately like men aren't trying and women are just winning this custody? Like, what's actually going on from your lens?

Yeah. I mean, and it's kind of changing now as we speak. Every three to four years, I can speak at least for Atlanta, that we get a little bit more progressive. And progressive, but it's kind of been for decades, and it still is to a large extent, that the family court system is tilted in favor of the women.

Yeah.

And certainly three, four, five, six years ago and even further back, it was kind of an automatic thing that women were going to get custody of these kids. Now, the woman is going to get custody in the large percentage of the time based on how the family was structured. If, you know, the family has been structured for the last 15 years as, "I go to work and I work as much as possible. I do all of the overtime that I can. I'm picking up all the extra shifts that I can. I'm traveling when I can. You are going to be the mom and you are going to take the kids to the recital and you're going to take the kids to the dentist office and you're going to go to the PTA meetings." Well, shit. When we go to divorce, what is a judge supposed to do, right? Because we've set up our whole family dynamic that way, and the judge feels like that it's best to continue the family dynamic that way. That's one reason that women so often get custody of the kids. But women get custody of the kids as well because a lot of judges just think that fathers aren't good fathers. And I saw this kind of play out with Tyrese, you know, Tyrese was going through a divorce and just some of the things that the judge was saying really showed that he had a bias against Tyrese as a man.

Yeah.

And that plays out over and over. So, you will come in, Jeff, and you'll say, "Hey, I want to get divorced. Um, I want custody of my kids." And I'll know the judge that we have and I'll know your family dynamic and I'll say, "Listen, listen, we're probably not going to win custody of the kids, but if you want to fight, we can fight and I'll fight my heart out to get these kids, but I'll tell you that this judge that you have isn't just one to give custody to kids to men." Will he do it? Yes. But under certain circumstances. So, let me ask you, is your wife in prison? No, she's not in prison. Okay. Is she abusing the kids physically in other ways? Nope. That we won't talk about because of the algorithm. No, she's not abusing the kids. Okay. Has she abandoned the kids? Has she run off to California with the new man and she hasn't seen the kids in six months? No, she ain't abandoning the kids. She's in there. Okay. Does she use drugs? Well, she uses a little weed. I'm not talking about weed. I'm talking real drugs. I'm talking yellow. I'm talking fentanyl. Does she use real hardcore drugs? No, she don't use no drugs. Well, you know what's our argument, right? What is our argument to rest the custody from her to give to the man? A lot of the judges, they want to see really stark reasons. Now, they don't apply these reasons to the man. A man can make six figures and be a great father, and he still won't get custody. But for the mom, you need all these drastic situations. And so you need to be what was it? Losing Isaiah status, like Ali B. Barry, in order for that to even be on the table a lot of time.

Exactly.

And so, Jeff, you'll come to me and you know your wife's, you know, a reasonable woman and you got four kids. You say, "I want custody." I said, "Well, listen. If you want custody, I'll fight for you. But I'll be honest with you. I'm not going to lie to you. You're probably not going to get it. Now, we can do your divorce and I can get you as much visitation as possible and I'll charge you $7,500 or assuming that you're not going to fight, do $7,500 fine flat fee, or we can fight like hell to get these kids. It'll probably take two years, two to three years, and you'll, you're going to spend about $50 to $100,000.

And you still might not win.

And you still might not win. And you better not come looking for a damn refund 'cause I done spent two years of my life fighting for these damn kids. And when you lose and I get to keep the $100,000, guess what you got to do next month?

You got to pay child support.

You got to pay up.

I am so happy. I am so happy you broke that down because a lot of times the narrative is just all these guys just don't care.

And right. And of course, there are men that exist like that. And for me, I think it starts with a lot of men that weren't even involved and weren't really present in their kids' life to begin with. That's kind of already a thing. But a lot of times, when it comes to like men that are getting going through a divorce or whatever, it's like, that makes sense to me. That's a human. This is like, "Oh, so you're telling me that this is going to be a very expensive potential L that I could spend $50 to $100k on another gamble after gambling on the marriage itself, and outside of all the things I already am going to lose, now I could spend more money and still wind up not with my kids?" I'm like,

Yeah.

So most men, you know, a good attorney, bad attorneys will do this. Bad attorneys say, "Jeff, listen, listen, listen. I think we got a good shot at getting custody. Give me a hundred grand and we're going to fight." And you're going to be like, "Great." And you're going to raid your 401k. You're going to put all this credit card debt, and we're going to lose. And when we lose, you're going to look at me and you know what I'm going to say?

I'm like, "Well, Jeff, you know, we gave it the good college try."

Have a good day.

Right. They, is it bad?

And there are attorneys who do that.

Of course, right?

Is it unethical for lawyers that do that?

I mean, unethical is a strong word, but just morally, it's kind of like, you're really not telling your client the whole truth. The whole truth is he's probably not, in general, if he doesn't have one of these strange cases, he's probably not going to get custody. He's probably not. But bad attorneys won't say that 'cause they're, we got some gangster attorneys, you know.

Well, you think of gangster and you think of the Crips and the Bloods, this and that. No, there are some gangster attorneys. All right? There are some gangsters with some damn pocket squares. There's some gangsters that are educated and they will absolutely rob you for $50, $75, $100 grand and they'll do it over and over to different people, right? Just because you're an attorney doesn't mean you're straight up. You can definitely be about the street life. I've seen these damn attorneys.

And so, you will have attorneys say, "Yeah, we're going to fight like hell. I think we can do it. You got a great chance." And then they done took you $75,000, then you lose. "Oh well, we tried. We tried."

And she still got full custody. Oh my god, man.

Terrible.

Top three reasons from your experience for why it is that people end up getting divorced.

The most common reasons. Yeah. Well, see, and here's the thing, too, and you know, we talk about people like, there's a huge self-reporting problem when we talk about why people get divorced. You know, I got a divorce. Nobody called me to ask me why I got divorced, right? Um, nowhere in the paperwork did I specify to the state why I got divorced. You might see a statistic, "Oh, well, certain amount of people get divorced because of bad communication." Where the hell did that statistic come from? Who, who is telling these people? Like, you know, their reason.

Data is, especially in my field, it's a lot more nuanced and way more complicated than I think people realize. And when they say, "Well, this is the top reason," I'm like, "It's not. There's usually a lot more." And the reason why I know this is because we have therapy sessions because we're usually the people trying to fix and resolve it before they come to you. So we hear all the reasons. And the biggest narrative I've learned, and then I want you to finish, is the version of what they tell people outside of the therapy session is not at all the version of what's actually happening in the therapy session. First of all, what's the percentage of women, and sorry ladies, when I'm about to say this, what's the percentage of women that's telling social media, their friends, their family, a version about the relationship where it's their fault?

Exactly.

Like, this is the same group where it's in the therapy session, I can't get her to apologize in front of me.

Exactly.

So factor that in. Like I've heard the things that I've heard the ladies say and how they frame things where it's like, "Well, I left him 'cause he cheated." And then I'll ask her, and be like, "Well, did you ever cheat?" "Well, yeah, just this one time." "Ma'am, ma'am, but I was like, so..."

They don't count their faults as strikes for why the marriage ended.

No. Ever. Ever. Ever.

Oh my god. Like, bro, it's my bad. Go ahead. Continue.

Exactly, right. You know, I think on YouTube, there are only three divorce attorneys, including me. James Ston, there's James Ston, and then there's another guy. Oh, man, I'm sorry, I'm forgetting his name. It's an older white brother, but that's it. It's just us three.

Okay.

And I remember James Ston telling a story about he represented this woman and he asked her why she was getting a divorce. And she looked at him and she said, "Well, she filed for divorce because he wouldn't, the husband stopped refilling her cereal box." You know, she had a special cereal that she liked and, you know, without asking, the husband would go to the store and buy the special cereal or whatever and refill the container that she held the cereal in. But, you know, the husband got busy or this or that and he had forgotten to refill the cereal container. And so she was like, "Oh, well, who knows what this means?" And then filed for divorce. John Noble, thank you. Donald Dar. Yes, John Noble. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Um, and so when if if a surveyor calls her or she has to fill out some form as to why she filed for divorce, is she going to put the cereal box? No, she's not going to put that, right? She's not going to put it. So I think if you're just looking for an easy answer, something that we see a lot, we do see communication a lot. And maybe the whole cereal box thing was a lack of communication.

Correct.

Right. So, you know, you can kind of shoehorn a lot of reasons into a communication catchall. Um, also the same way with infidelity. You know, there could be cheating, but there could be a lot of reasons behind it. Uh, why did you file for a divorce against your husband? Well, he cheated on me. Okay. He cheated on you. Um, when was the last time y'all were intimate, you and him? Oh, well, you know, I stopped having sex with him, you know, six years ago, 'cause it wasn't comfortable for me. Oh, I swear, I'm telling you all my life. Last month, I had a client reach out to me. And he told me it had been 11 years when he stopped counting.

Easy.

11 years of no sex whatsoever. And the whole idea is if he goes out and does anything, what's the version if he gets caught or comes out, what is she going to say is the reason for why they got a divorce? 'Cause he cheated. Oh my god, man.

100%.

So, you know, oh, infidelity, but why? And you never asked the why. No one asked the why. The why is the whole answer.

And then what I also see is, um, um, I guess, um, money, money mindset incompatibility. Basically, you got two types of people. You got savers and you got spenders. And savers need to be with savers. And spenders need to be with spenders and bankers by themselves. Yes. But you cannot, [laughter] you cannot mix the two and expect a calm, tranquil relationship. It will not happen.

All I have been with savers and I have been with spenders and I'm amazed when I'm with spenders and there's a part of me that's like, "Oh my god, oh my god." And if I'm going to be with a spender, she better be. And that's the thing too, you know, you got this whole equally yolked thing, right? But as a man, I do like a woman who's making six figures. I like a woman. I mean, listen, I'm used to it now, brother. I don't complain when all these people be complaining about this stuff. It was like, the strangest thing is, is like, y'all these men that operate in a realm where they can only interact with women that make good money who act like men. I'm like, "You do know that there's women whose femininity doesn't turn on or off just because she got a job?" I was like, I was like, when I look in the Bible, when I've looked at women been working throughout the history of humanity. So this concept that like she can't be a wife or can't, that's that's so, so bizarre to me. Um, so it, I don't mind it. I like it. And we each other. And and and my goal is like, you know, to be able to replace her income and mine. But like, you know, it's one of them things. It's like, it's strange to me where it's like, guys put themselves in these situations. And I like this, there's just too many women that's different for you guys to settle for the stuff. Like, first of all, what you said earlier, the this nonsense about uh, cyclist marriages for, [laughter] I've said it to my wife. I've said it a few times on the joking on here, uh, three weeks. Three weeks, madame. She watching right now. She in the chat as we speak. Three weeks, ma'am. Unless there's, you know, some, uh, you know, other situations going on. Three weeks. After three weeks, um, we could, we could figure out what, what, what the alternatives are. But it won't make sense to me at that point because it's like, for me, the equivalent would be, well, what, let's say sex isn't her number one of what her expectation is coming from me. But if being a provider is, and I decide next three weeks, I'm just not going to work, not going to bring in any money. How long is she going to be cool and comfortable with that before she realizes, like, this is unsustainable? I'm not going to, whether it's a month, two months, six months, at some point she's not going to wait 11 years of me not working. I'm going tell you that. She, yeah, man. So these reasons you gave is like, what?

Yeah. It's, it's, it's insane. And we see a lot of double standards, kind of what you were alluding to, right? But if we're honest, there just, there's thousands of of ways a relationship can dissolve, you, [clears throat] know, thousands. But you do see money problems is a big contributor. Communication problems is a big contributor. And then sex problems, whether those are dead bedroom situations or infidelity situations, or the umbrella term, irreconcilable differences. Um, that, yeah, that's the whole thing that, you know, that's, if you look on my decree, that's my divorce decree, that that's what it says. My irreconcilable differences. You, yeah, it could, it could be a thousand things.

Officer Tatum, you know, I had him on, uh, about 30 days ago. Oh, you had Officer Tatum, man. That's you are blowing up, man. That is awesome. Big, somebody write, ask our brother podcast in the D chat. That's amazing. That is amazing. Shout out to you. Uh, Officer Tatum pulled up. We had a very interesting conversation. We covered a lot of territory, including his view on chitlins and, um, you know, him being in an interracial relationship and how that cooking was going during the holidays. And, um, but there was a clip I saw. Is he married to a white woman? Yeah. Come on now. Know that. Yeah. Yeah, he is. And I didn't know. You're like, "Come on now." I, I've done one collab with that dude, but I don't, I don't, I don't really know his content like that. You know what is so known? Because he gets attacked so much for it. I just assume everybody's know knows by now. Um, yeah. But like, you had covered his reaction to a video of a, a car situation where there was like raindrops on it. Yeah. And in the title, it said, "Bootlicking." [laughter] I'm trying to figure out, like, you said it earlier, that cops tend to side with cops, lawyers tend to side with lawyers, doctors tend to side with lawyers. Why was the brother? Why did you feel the brother was a bootlicking?

Well, to be honest, between me and you, and since you are a professional YouTuber too, I will tell you that was some, that was some YouTube stuff to, to kind of get it going viral. Okay. And the, he, I said, "Officer Tatum is a bootlicker." That's, that was the first sentence of the whole video because, yeah, um, Officer Tatum was going back and forth with another big YouTuber called Lackluster. Okay. And they were going back and forth hot and heavy. It was super aggressive, a lot of conflict. And so, uh, that brother, he, I think he had a video that maybe went viral or something and he called Officer Tatum a bootlicker. So, what I did was I reacted to that, but I just took that and just put it in the, in the part of, in the, in the very beginning of my video. My video did really well, but, you know, between you and me, that was some, that was some YouTube stuff.

That's hilarious. That was not. It was catchy. And I said, "This is, this is an insanely like watched view, uh, uh, video." I was like, "Tons and tons of videos." But, um, uh, why did you disagree with him?

Oh, I disagree with it. I disagree with him because of just what you said. You know, officers, and I'm not blaming him in the sense that officers are supposed to walk that or stay with that thin blue line in support of the officers because we attorneys do it too, right? Um, families do it, you know, people. It's tribalism. Okay? So, I'm never going to blame a, I don't want to say never, but if, if a cop is siding with a cop, I'm just gonna be like, "Yeah, okay. That's part for the course." Yeah. But in, in my view, that particular incident, that officer absolutely used excessive force against that young black man. I don't think it's close. Yeah. I don't think it's close. But, you know, if you, you know, you've had some political people on your show that are, let's say, MAGA supporters, for example, [clears throat] Donald Trump might do some crazy stuff, but are the MAGA supporters going to call him out? Really? No. And even when they start, you know, Megan Kelly is starting to say, "Hey, what is Trump doing?" And and she can't, you know, the people, the people who support, uh, Donald Trump are like, "Oh, Megan Kelly, you're a turncoat. You never supported us." And the people that didn't support, uh, Donald Trump were like, "See, Megan Kelly, this is what you voted for. You've done, you know." Like she can't, she, you're not going to win any, any, any favor by going against the grain in a lot of these things when it's so, uh, politicized. And so, um, even though I believe in my heart of hearts that that, uh, that it's clear, almost objectively, yeah, that that, uh, police officer used excessive force against that young man. If Officer Tatum wants to back the police, I mean, I get it. [laughter] Right? Yeah. It comes with the territory. It sounds like, right?

Final question, uh, man, that I've been wanting. Obviously, uh, I was apparently thrown into the manosphere. I originally just came in just answering questions on random interviews and then it was like, "Oh, he's the red pill therapist and he's the manosphere." And like you said, my entrance into this space, uh, very quickly I went viral and within a week I was on Pearl Fresh and Fit. So that was like my introduction to this space. And I've always wondered, cuz you've been on Pearl and a whole bunch of different, you know, platforms or whatever, like your actual thoughts about like the manosphere/red pill, like what is your actual thoughts about it? Because you're you're actually, you know, you, you have a life outside of this stuff, but at times you will engage in it to a degree. What's your actual opinion about like the actual space and how it operates? [sighs] And actually, my sec, my more specific question is, is it actually helping or hurting men learn and prepare for dealing with the dating market and like the legal system?

Yeah, see, that's a deep question because, you know, when I started, I got pushed into the manosphere or the, the red pill community as well. [clears throat] And as the, the, the, the red pill attorney, right? Even before I knew what the hell was going on. But then I liked it because I started exposing a lot of things that, because there weren't, I mean, James Sex wasn't even around back then. Y, I was the only, me and, um, God, John Noble, we were the only ones saying, "Hey guys, I know y'all, there are other content creators in the red pill community who are giving, you know, game on lots of things, dating and relationships." And I let them have that. Y'all are missing a huge part of of knowledge and empowering yourselves and learning, and that's the legal side. And so I came in there and I was proud to be in the manosphere. I was proud to be in, in the red pill space. Mhm. But it turned out that there was a lot of money, in the red pill space, and there were a lot of hurt men, um, going through the, the red pill process, which is a very painful and and and disruptive, uh, um, process, let's say. And, you know, they have the, the saying that hurt people hurt people. And a lot of times hurt people like to see people being hurt. And there was a lot of money being thrown around by watching people be hurt, be humiliated, be kicked out of apartments, like Fresh and Fit, be, um, have their reputations really, you know, kind of destroyed. Mhm. And so what I, you know, I, I liked my position in the manosphere in terms of that I felt like I was creating a lot of value, but then I started seeing how other people were co-opting this space and giving these hurt people really what they wanted, which was a lot of blood. And they were making tons and tons of money off of it, which is fine for them. But then the, the space, I felt like, got toxic. And so I made a video a few years ago called "Manosphere," and basically, I'm leaving. I'm out. So, I, I denounced it, or I didn't denounce it, but I withdrew my participation in it. And other people did as well. You know, MTR came out with a video later saying that he was out of the manosphere. Other, they, they are just people who are, you know, there are people in the manosphere who will say anything, no matter how extreme. And then there are people who are more moderate. And those two people, those two types of people cannot exist under one umbrella, generally speaking. Yeah. They can't. Because, you know, the MAGA people, you, you will never have a reasonable kind of middle-of-the-road conservative call himself a MAGA. They can't get under the MAGA umbrella. They just can't. Because MAGA, you know, the way that I view it, MAGA is kind of extreme, right? Yeah. And if you're just a regular, in middle of the road conservative, you're not going to go that far. And that's how I felt with the manosphere. I felt the manosphere, because of all of the money and the statements that were being made and the entertainment value, we also have to say that, you know, the manosphere was never 100% education. It was a huge part entertainment. And entertainment necessarily is kind of beyond the payout. Entertainment necessarily is pushing the envelope. What the hell am I with a pocket square and a tie? How am I under the same umbrella as people trying to push the envelope? Yeah. Yeah. It's, [laughter] it's, you know, for me, jumping into it, I'm navigating that now and trying to figure out what that looks like. And I realize the manosphere is an umbrella term. Um, even the red pill, like what that, red pill too. Yes. You're right. There's a, there's a spectrum of men that are, and again, you got red pill, black pill, white pill, and all this other stuff where it's like, for me, it's like, I'm totally comfortable with kind of staying in my lane because I know that there's different subsets within it, right? Like, there, there, there's literally men that are just men's rights activists, right? Like, that's their lane, right? There, there's people who just do reaction videos. There's people who primarily just want to talk about, um, intersexual dynamics between men and women. So for me, it's like, and then there's the people who want to argue with women all day and and go back and [laughter] forth in, in, in debates on panels or on one-on-one calls or whatever. So for me, it's like recognizing like, there's certain benefits to being in it, but you know, working with different people, collaborating, and recognizing which ones I don't need to do that anymore with. I've been kind of learning and realizing like, okay, there is a space for people who, you know, want to approach it in a way where they're not going too far left or too far right. But, um, I agree with you, like the same thing happens on the other side when it comes to the feminist circles where they, they have all these these platforms and shows where they can say the most toxic things. Every woman behind a microphone isn't toxic and misandrist, and every guy behind a microphone isn't as well. So for me, I'm having to kind of learn that dance, like you're saying. Um, the difference is, me having the counseling therapy background, I understand the hurt. I understand the pain. And this space from, you know, late '90s to early 2000s gave a space for men to just be heard, for men to hear each other, for, you know, cuz and it makes sense where I, I'm on the other side where guys were taking their life, guys were getting destroyed, uh, um, men are just tapping out. And I'm realizing like, okay, what you're doing, what other people are doing, there is a way to reach out to guys. Whether you claim the man is for or outside of it, there is a lane for men to bring information to people, and especially to men that I think can be actually helpful. And, and for me, whether people listen, every week somebody tagging me saying that I'm, uh, uh, uh, Teimu, Kevin Samuels. So for me, it's like, so, so, and the funny thing is, is like, this is the difference where it's like, I saw how he did it. I saw how he blew up. And people never, especially the people who hate me the most or think I'm just gripping, they never thought about the fact that I almost never, out of the 900 videos that we have, I think once or twice I've token talked to a woman in, in terms of her calling in. I've like, the whole, you know, like, make a woman feel bad so she can, we can go viral and, you know, [ __ ] on her and and own her and everything. I just don't. I know that I, my views would go up. I know that, you know, the trajectory I would probably be at a few hundred thousand, um, subscribers right now if I went that lane. It's like, have women come in, you're delusional, you're insane, you're fat, you're this or that. Like, I could do that. But by choosing not to, I recognize there's this, and you're right, there's a segment of men that will always be frustrated and disappointed if I don't lean in on that, if I don't do that. For me, it's like, that's one part of the manosphere. I'm just chosen and realized like, that's that's not me. That's not me being myself. If that makes sense.

Yeah. You know, I don't think you trying to participate in the manosphere or accepting that label. I don't think that's beneficial to your long-term, uh, success as a media influencer at all. I, I really don't. And, you know, the people that you named just, [clears throat] you know, I, I think we'd probably have to, you know, have a deeper discussion about this online. You know, I remember when I first came into this space and I was growing and, you know, I thought, you know, okay, I kind of gotta, maybe I had your amount of subscribers. Yeah. And, you know, you get 50,000 subs, you, you kind of know what the deal is. You know, tons and tons more than a YouTuber with 2,000 subs. And then I hit five, I had, I hit a 100,000 subs and then I came on, um, the radar of Kevin Samuels. And so he invited me to a collab down in his, uh, at his place in Miami and we did a collab there. And I was like, "Oh man, this is such a huge value for me." This is what I was thinking. Such a huge value for me to be on this man's platform. He has a million subs. Oh my god. You know, I can't, I can't believe this opportunity. Did the collab and it was probably one of the best things that ever happened to me in term, the top three things that ever happened to me in terms of my YouTube career. But not because of the collab at all. Okay. Wow. Um, it was because of the two-hour conversation that he had with me after the collab. And it showed me that even though I had a 100,000 subscribers, there were so many things that I had not understood, about what YouTube really was. There were so many things. And he had a maturity because he had, you know, no one, no one is immature but gets a 100 thousand sub, a million subs. Like you, you know, kind of, you don't get a million subs by accident. On top of the fact that this man was genius. It's not like he got a million subs just based off shorts like some, like some people, right? His [ __ ] was for real. Mhm. And he, he, he really, um, he schooled me on, on, on some things that I had not understood. And, you know, you, you talk about Kevin, you, you brought him up, you know, like the timu Kevin said. I thought that's funny. But, you know, you, it, it sounds like you're saying that you feel like there's some part of participating in the manosphere that may be beneficial to you. But you bring up Kevin Samuels. When did you ever hear Kevin Samuels say that he was in the manosphere? When did you ever hear Kevin Samuels claim the manosphere, claim that label? You never did. Never. Never. Now, to be fair, part of the issue with the quote-unquote manosphere is it's an amorphous, uh, term. It's, it's not something that, there's people in it that don't know that they're in it. And it's something where it's like, people can say they're not in it and they can, they're still seen in that way. I just disagree with, I disagree. I'm just saying, I'm, I mean what I mean by that is, it's not, it's, it's, it's not like, like, um, it's not like politics where you're either registered Republican or registered this or registered that where it's something where when you talk about certain things, and especially if you're a guy, um, by default, the people who are who gravitate to that space will just see you as that. Now, the individual can say that's not me. I'm not a part of it. But an example, and in terms of what you're saying with Kevin, is Kevin didn't have to claim it. Kevin didn't identify with it. However, did he have an impact on it? Absolutely. And that's the difference where it's like, the idea that Kevin did not have an impact on the manosphere, that he didn't change how a lot of people do their content now, how a lot of people approach conversations now, even down to talking points that people use. The entire manosphere, especially with the black manosphere, completely shifted with a person who never identified with it. So that's what I mean when it's like, you can be in and out of it, but, you know, if you have a big voice and it's influential, by default, people who gravitate to it will still see you in that way, even if that's not your actual title, if that makes sense.

Um, it seems to me that I can be, I can influence a system without being part of that system. Just because I influence a system doesn't mean that I'm in that system at all. So, I don't, I don't necessarily understand that.

Yeah. But what I'm saying is you're not in it, but people still see you as in it. Well, you know, I can say that I don't like Kamala Harris and then somebody says, "Oh, you're MAGA." Oh, [ __ ] You know, [laughter] fine. You know, that's facts. That's exactly it for me. That's, I don't, I don't play into that. I don't claim it. I don't flirt with it. I don't, because I see what you're saying is like, "Hey, if I identify with this, you know, I might get access to certain opportunities. I might get access to certain people." What I'm what I would, what I would say is just be careful because look at the people that you're getting access to. You know, really look at them. Look at the stuff that you're saying. You know, I saw you caught a, you caught a little heat a month or two or three ago when you had a, you went to go see a p, a certain person. And, [snorts] you know, I felt like that heat maybe was warranted because look what this person is say going around saying. And I, but I feel your pain because, I hear you. I also collaborated with this person, but they weren't saying the crazy [ __ ] that they're saying now. But this is where the wisdom comes in as an old school YouTuber. You know, you're right. And it's definitely opened up my eyes to the reality of the pros and cons of the space. Um, and I agree with you. It, it's one of those where I do think there's still meaning and purpose and value in it, but there's definitely a lot of anger, hurt, bitter, jealousy. There's a whole lot in this, in this side of the internet that, uh, you know, you don't know it until you're in it. And you, like you said, once you start talking to more people and trying different things, you just, your eyes get opened up. And for me, you know, my eyes have definitely opened up to the reality that, like you said, everybody isn't in this because they actually want to help. It's not because they actually want lives to get better, men to get better, relationships to improve. A lot of people, it, it really is just a lot of the, you know, playing on a lot of the other stuff that you mentioned. So, man, I appreciate that. Um, and a lot of your feedback, especially how you closed out with your, your actual true thoughts, you, MTR, and a lot of other guys that's was either in it or seen as in it, and, and how you've kind of navigated what that looks like going forward. Um, definitely gives me a lot to to think about for myself. But with that said, I just want to say, um, how, where can you let everybody that hasn't heard of you, where can they find you and support you?

Yeah, honestly, don't even look for me right now because I'm going through a whole YouTube change myself. Me, know my old channel, you know, I've, I've, I've pivoted. Um, but I am starting four to five new channels. Um, and I don't even know the the names of them right now. There's no content. So, uh, you, you'll hear about me. It'll, it'll probably take me a few months to get the channels up and running, but I've got something for the, the men out there. And I think, you know, you and I, Jeff, we, we would definitely disagree about this whole manosphere thing, but I think what we definitely agree on is that there is an audience there. Yeah. There, there is, there are men there who need help, men who need guidance, men who need information. Absolutely. And maybe we just disagree on the best way to reach these men or, you know, or, or what we're going to call them. But I am starting these four to five new channels specifically for them. So, so don't, don't, don't look for me now on the TLA thing because it's all body cams over there. But, [laughter] um, but I'm, I'm doing, I'm doing something, uh, special. I'm starting, uh, a number of new channels to specifically kind of flood the zone, as the, as the Republicans like to say, about this information. I really do think that I have a lot of information that not a lot of people are in a position to give. They, they don't, they haven't learned it through experience and they don't know the nuances. And, you know, between me, uh, James Sexon, and, and John Noble, you know, it's, that's just us. It's just us three. So, we, we got a lot of information to get out. So, I'm going to start on, on those channels. Yeah.

Thank you. And then Miss Couture, she did write, I didn't want to miss this, uh, lead. How do you feel about women giving full custody to the father? Vengeance or best idea since sliced bread?

Um, it's so rare that women give full custody to men that it's almost, it's almost by definition a great thing. Well, it, 99% of the time it's a great thing, but there's 1% of the time where it's not. 99% of the time if a woman is given full custody to a man, there is a reason. There is a, and it is, okay, a really, really, really good reason. And so, if, if you want to give full, if you feel like you are just such a horrible parent that you want to give full custody to dad, by, [clears throat] definition, that's almost always a great idea. Yeah. Now, there is the 1% of the chance where maybe there is some threats, maybe there's some coercion. If you don't give me this kid, I'mma kill you tonight type stuff. But, um, in general, that's so far a field from what we usually see. And, and I would not, I don't think that's optimal. I think optimally, both parents should be in the child's life. You know, I'm not one who thinks that all men should get 50/50. I would love and I really do think the default should be, I'm sorry, 50/50. Yes. It shouldn't be full custody. Yeah. Full custody should rarely, rarely be the case for the man or the woman. You know, I don't, I don't view it as a huge win that a man gets full custody because that means you got that your child that you love so much has a shitty mom. How is that a win? Right? [laughter] You want both parents to be awesome, both parents to contribute equally. That's, that's what I would want.

Same. Same. I've always thought about that and, you know, talking now, talking with you and and Dr. Tiaan and Dr. Curry and many of the other guys. Shout out to Dr. Tan, people who I've come across on this space so far. Um, when I follow up with y'all and and we we come up with a little little think tank. Um, what it is, is I don't want to spend another two years only talking about the issues. I want to have a, you know, like you said, like what's the, the actual actionable things that most men in this space can align on, can support on individual, local, and even, you know, national level. And like, and we get political figures and different organizations that actually back it, actually fund it. And from start to finish, from a legal standpoint, academic standpoint, like really, really put systematize and get this in order. And, and I'm excited because a lot of the pe, the guys that I've brought, brought on are the types of minds that I want to be a part of that process. Um, so, yeah, man, I'm, I'm so excited. And, and just to say again, man, I really, really appreciate all the work that you've done, um, in this space, um, normalizing seeing people that look like you and think like you doing what you're doing, even as a, um, lawyer. Like that actually was one of the reasons why I finally felt like I can do it as a therapist. Believe it or [clears throat] not, when I say there were not, there were not a lot of male therapists, um, you know, there was like, you had Dr. Jordan Peterson and others, um, for a long time. And, and so for me, it was like, I took a big, big leap with this, this, this career shift and change. And you were one of the main reasons for why, you know, I thought it was honestly possible. So, I appreciate you for, you know, doing this and coming through.

I appreciate that. I think a lot of people should try YouTube. Don't you know, everybody's trying TikTok. TikTok ain't paying no more. Guys, try YouTube. It takes a lot of work. Yes. But it will change your life. It's absolutely changed my, my life in, in more ways than I can count. So, um, if anybody's listening and you know, I know trying YouTube sounds, I could never do that. Okay? But it's, it's out here changing lives, you know. So, yeah, I, I appreciate you saying that and I'm, I'm glad to be at least a small part of the the inspiration why you're over here. And obviously, you're doing fantastic. You know, thousands and thousands of people are seeing so much value in your content and you're just going to continue to grow and I love it. So, you know, if you can avoid, uh, the big missteps that, you know, um, [laughter] yeah, that, that, you know, we all, we, we're all going to take some L's as, as, uh, as content creators. I've, I've taken my share. But the, the biggest thing is just, you know, avoid the huge ones, u why people get kicked off and demonetized like a few of the people that you mentioned. And, um, if you can avoid those and just take the small L's like, like I have and others and just keep, keep rolling along, you're just, you're just going to grow. It's just really just time now because you've got so much value inherently to offer that, that all you need is time and, you know, you, you'll be at a million subs and it's no problem. It's, it's just a matter of time.

Honey, realize TLA just said that a million subscribers is on the way. So, 100%. [laughter] 100%. Listen. Hey, I appreciate you. Everybody. I was going to say, go ahead and support him and subscribe for now, but be on the lookout for when, uh, his additional channels comes out. Thank you, sir. I really appreciate it.

No problem. Thank you.

All right. All right, y'all. So, that was man, man, it has gotten to a point where I don't know how much, how, how long this this run is going to continue, but I have a list of over 150 people that I'm supposed to follow up with, um, as far as guest or, or prospective people that are open to coming on or have expressed interest in coming on. Uh, I don't have a scheduler, which is why it's so hard for me to get back in contact with people. Um, so I'm going to spend the next few days kind of trying to schedule the next few weeks out, if not even a month out. Um, but thank you for everybody and thank you to, uh, the lead attorney. Thank you to everybody, uh, that came in this week. Uh, Dr. Curry, uh, um, uh, Professor Pikme, everybody that's collabed, um, since I've started up until this point. It's, it's been dope. It's, it's been an honor. And, um, you know, that last conversation, that last part that he said about the manosphere and what it means and, um, its trajectory and, and even outside of it, because obviously I do cover content completely unrelated to the manosphere. Um, the one thing I'm going to say to everybody that's in this space is, being a newer person, I'm not an authority figure. I'm not somebody you even got to care about. I don't have the, the, the accolades or the anything that everybody else is that's been in this space for a long time has has maybe had. But I am going to say this. Um, the men that are the angriest, the men that are the most hurt, and the men that feel that their only way to feel any type of coping and healing is to tear down women indefinitely, um, you're not actually helping. That's the best thing I could say. Um, the people who you think like us that are trying to build something, you don't even know the types of people that we can't even collab with or do work with because of the vicious, vile, nasty things some of you dudes will say in the live chat. I've had people that came on the platform and I've had to remove them completely because some of the things that you guys have done to their personal businesses. So, I'm not even talking about content creators is doing all kind of wild stuff or covering crazy stuff or saying the most insane things. I'm talking about the, the viewers that's in this space. I'm not one of these people that just labels the whole man is fear as toxic and every other dude is just mis, is a misogynist and hates women. I don't, that's not my experience. That's overwhelmingly not my experience with the people who have texted me, emailed, DM' me across the board. We had the little memes and jokes and comments here and there about what's wrong and how things can improve. But some of you dudes are so disgusting. If I was a woman, I would understand why most of them don't ever want to touch you or deal with you. There is an actual problem in this space. And maybe there's been too many dudes or people that's just so focused on the money and getting what they can from y'all that y'all can't realize a lot of this is disgusting. There are women that are extreme feminists who are so anti-men and anti-family and anti-children, and we can call that out. But every time we ever acknowledge that there's some vicious stuff happening on this end, y'all fall apart. Whether I claim man is fear or not, whether I claim red pill or this or that, regardless of whether this changes your view of whether you want to support me or not, I'm just going to make it known. If you're, if you have that mindset where you have an inability to look at the full humanity of of people, that you can acknowledge guys can get it right and can get it wrong, that women can get it right and can get it wrong. If you're not in that spectrum and you're not interested, it's pro-men all the time and and women ain't [ __ ] all women are horrible. This channel and platform is not for you. You can unsubscribe. You can take your likes and your views and you can do whatever you want because I, my actual goal is to bring y'all talented people, thought-provoking people, and, and, you know, bring my expertise, my field, be the different things I'm interested in, and just be entertaining, um, you know, educate people and have fun. And I got to tell you, man, the last three, four months, the things that the ladies have told me when I first went viral, when I first went viral, before I was even built up the damn channel, the amount of things from the ladies from the Sharing My Truth podcast told me when I first went viral in July of 2024, the comments and the DMs and the remarks and things that y'all said, some of y'all, just know that if you have said that to my wife or my daughter, furniture was going to be moving. Some of y'all are actually disgusting. Y'all are not a good representation of the man, which is why so many of the men in this space have left or disavowed it. Like I said, I'm not the king. I'm not the head of anything. You got people that's been in this space way longer than me. I'm going to do me and I'm not going to try to be anybody else. And I'm, and I realize I'm not going to lower and debase my, my, my, my value or this platform to appease y'all. So, if, when I bring people on my platform, y'all feel I need to disrespect them or cuss them out or say all this because y'all don't do this, you don't understand what the purpose of networking is, building, collaborating. You just want to see people get owned and [ __ ] on. That's why I'm here doing this and that's why you're over there doing that. So, stop tagging me. Stop telling me what it is I need to do. If you're not doing it and if you're not willing to support, and if you think I need to go so much further in order to get my message out there, just support the content creators that's already doing it. The ones that have no standards, that can say anything. Talk about raping women. Talk about sleeping with children. Talk about, uh, uh, disrespecting women to the highest degree. If that's what you want, there's platforms for that. That won't be this. That won't be here. So, I hope this is the one time I have to say that. And my team, all my admins, I'm making it known. If you see these creatures on my platform, if you see them in the comments, go ahead and remove them and block them. I don't want their engagement. I don't want their support. You can critique me. You can challenge me. You can tell me different things that you think, you know, could make things better. But if you feel like I got to call women bees and hoes and all this other stuff, I'm not for you. And this isn't for you. If that means I'm not manisphere, so be it. If that means I'm not red pill enough, so be it. I'm doing this 'cause I want to do it, not because I'm trying to bow down to the lowest common denominator of men that I wouldn't even respect if I knew them in person. So, I hope that this is as clear and as succinct as possible. And if I am going to engage in this space still, I'm going to do it on my terms. I hope that clears things up. And I appreciate everybody that still wants to rock with me even now and after this. So, listen, y'all. Um, despite that, I feel really good. I feel really happy. And like I said, y'all, next week, Rachel Doazowl, a another interview, original content coming up next week. And, um, I guess we'll see. Yeah, I have a feeling that, you know, what I just said probably going to get clipped up, too. And I'm okay with it. So, it is what it is. And, um, honestly, I think, uh, I feel right. Um, and thank you, whoever. Uh, oh, thank you, Chicago Black Delegation. You said some very important things in this closing monologue, Jeff. Big props, brother. Thanks, bro. Cuz, you know, me and you, we don't, we don't agree on politics, but at the end of the day, you don't disrespect me, and that's all I, I care about. I, I, I, I'm comfortable with nuance. I'm comfortable with differences in views of opinions. I don't agree with everything that every person that comes on my platform says or believes, but I'm just giving them a space to be able to say it. And, um, I hope that, you know, I just remain true to what it is that I think this platform is supposed to be for. So, you know, thank you everybody. Somebody just posted in the chat that we clear 53,000 subscribers during this live. So, guys, thank you, thank you, thank you. If you're not a subscriber, please become one. If you're not a member, that's typically all I ask, $2.99 per month to become a member. And thank you to those who's been gifting people memberships. That's super dope. And, um, I guess I'll see y'all bright and early next week. And, uh, thank you genuinely for the support. So, listen, y'all have a good evening. Please, please, please share this, hype it, send it to everybody that you know. And I'll see y'all on the other side, bright and early next week. Take care. Peace.