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我曾酗酒,直到失去对自己行为的控制。醒来时常常会感到非常后悔,你知道,对前一晚发生的一切。但这件事总是被一笑置之,因为狂饮已经变得如此普遍。>> 你是什么时候第一次意识到自己有酒精问题的?我以为我玩得很开心。你呢?>> 我想我只是在试图逃避我的感受。喝酒是为了应对,是为了麻木那些压倒性的感觉。>> 米莉,你是《切尔西制造》最初的核心人物之一。>> 和人发生关系,做些愚蠢的事情,这在你十几岁和二十几岁的时候很常见。我想人们没有摄像组记录下来。>> 但在什么时候,你才意识到这对我是真的很有害,而且对我来说是无效的呢?>> 就是你意识到代价大于回报的时候。你借酒消愁,来缓解焦虑,但酒精本身又制造了更多的焦虑。我怀孕时的一种感觉是如释重负,因为我不会再被迫喝酒了。我没想到你会说酒精不是问题。我需要做自我疗愈。了解自己是我做过的最棒的事情。>> >> 很久以来,酒精对我来说并不是一个值得质疑的东西。它是正常的,社交的,被期待的,是一种放松的方式,一种应对的方式,一种感觉自信的方式,有时也是一种感觉足够的方式。然而,对于许多女性,尤其是千禧一代的女性来说,酒精实际上成了我们在努力维系一切时所依赖的东西。我们的事业,人际关系,母性,身份,以及要做到优秀、感恩、高效、永不过度的压力。今天的谈话是关于当饮酒不再有趣而开始变得功能化时会发生什么。当它成为我们从未被教会如何面对的情绪的应对机制时。无论是羞耻感,压倒性的感觉,孤独感,还是强加在女性,尤其是母亲身上的不可能的标准。因为我们生活在一个仍然赞扬父亲发泄情绪的世界里,而母亲却被期望无限耐心、在场、自我牺牲,而从不显露挣扎。这一集不是关于标签。它不是关于评判或跌入谷底的故事。它是关于诚实。它是关于酒精给了我们什么,又从我们身上夺走了什么,以及当我们停止麻木而开始倾听时,在另一边存在着什么。所以,如果你曾经想过,“我真的没有问题。我只是喝酒来应对。”那么这次谈话可能适合你。我一直很想采访米莉。如果你想在这个播客上看到更多像米莉这样出色的嘉宾,如果你能按下喜欢、关注和订阅按钮,我将不胜感激,因为这可能只需要不到3秒钟,但你不知道这对我帮助有多大,能请到像米莉这样的出色嘉宾来这个播客,这样我们都可以一起学习和成长。我非常期待你听到这次谈话,因为我们深入探讨了很多内容。那么,让我们开始吧。米莉,你好。很高兴见到你。欢迎来到千禧一代心灵。你是我从节目开始就一直想邀请的嘉宾。你知道为什么吗?>> 我是《切尔西制造》的忠实粉丝。非常喜欢。我们看。我现在还在看。>> 你还在看吗?>> 我还在看。>> 坚持。哇。>> 我不每周都看,但我喜欢有它在。我喜欢看大家的发展。它也告诉我新的地方和名字,[笑声]但我真的很喜欢看你在《切尔西制造》里的表现。如果十年前有人告诉我,你将采访米莉·麦金托什。你能相信吗?这很不错。实际上很不错。>> 所以,我真的很想谈谈你的新书,因为它现在有平装本了,对吧?>> 是的。它去年一月出版,但我们刚刚重新发行了平装本,而且在过去的一年里,我一直很喜欢谈论它。我进行了很多精彩的谈话,并且>> 感觉更自在地谈论书中的一切以及我与酒精的故事。我认为,你知道,揭示这些有时感觉很禁忌的话题,尤其是对女性来说。是的。>> 以及与酒精问题相关的羞耻感。>> 你是什么时候第一次意识到自己有酒精问题的?>> 嗯,我想我probably很早就知道它不适合我,但我没有想过,“好吧,我有酒精问题。我有饮酒问题。”>> 好的,那么有什么迹象表明它不适合你呢?>> 嗯,我[清嗓子]会宿醉得很厉害,你知道,即使在我年轻的时候。很多人都说宿醉会随着年龄增长而变得更糟,但作为一个青少年,我很快就能摆脱它。我会宿醉得很厉害,比如发抖、呕吐、感到非常焦虑。嗯,即使是少量也会严重影响我。我会断片。所以,你知道,我可能看起来还清醒,但我不会记得。我会失忆。嗯,我会在我失去控制的时候喝酒。>> 经常醒来时会非常后悔,你知道前一晚发生了什么。但它总是被一笑置之,你知道,又是一个疯狂的夜晚,或者一个有趣的故事,或者,你知道,你可以讲给所有人听,让他们发笑的故事。>> 这使得它看起来不像它可能那么黑暗和可怕,因为狂饮是如此普遍。>> 是的。>> 就像我十几岁的时候。>> 这真的很有趣,因为我认为很多人,尤其是,我对此深有体会。我从来都不喜欢喝酒,年轻的时候,从来不。年轻的时候,我总是在大学里说,我真的很讨厌它的味道。>> 我总是被别人叫做“作弊者”。我喝两杯就会醉得不行。>> 所以,所以,你知道,不要喝更多。>> 是的。因为我会睡着。所以,在我大一那周,有几次,天哪,我父母可能在听这个。我清楚地记得,我想是第三个晚上,我们有一个,我以前玩长曲棍球。我刚加入,我们有一个叫“圆圈”的活动,每个人都在喝一种叫“蛇咬”的饮料,它是苹果酒、啤酒和黑醋栗。黑醋栗。没错。有时里面还有覆盆子。>> 好的。是的。我们的里面没有,但你会绕着圈喝,你会把它喝光。我总是想着,我总是把手放在杯子上,因为你得拿着杯子喝。但我总是把手放在上面。>> 所以我只喝一口,这样他们就看不到喝了多少。>> 但有一个晚上,他们让我把它喝光。我记得我要去洗手间。>> 而且我喝酒时常做的一件事,以前常做,现在不做了。我以前去洗手间,因为我感觉安全,我只是坐在那里,低着头。>> 老实说,我会睡着。>> 是的。>> 因为我太累了,所以我睡着了。我记得>> 就像你的身体在告诉你停下来>> 就像停下来。这对你不好。就像你正在得到身体的信号,你的身体就是,“这不适合你。”>> 是的。但就像你说的,在大学里,人们会说,“这很正常。”这太有趣了,哈哈,你跑去洗手间了。我所有的朋友又开始嘲笑我,“她现在要去洗手间了。是她午睡的时间了。我们晚上晚些时候再找她。”我没开玩笑。这总是会发生。所以,我明白你的意思,从某种意义上说,它变成了一件你想告诉别人你做过的事情,而且不令人尴尬或羞耻,因为它是一个你可以与他人分享的有趣故事,而其他人觉得听起来很有趣。第二天早上,你知道,就像前一晚的电话,而且总是在一群朋友中,你会觉得你们都在分享你们的故事,哦,你们的夜晚是怎么结束的,汇报一下,你们最后去了哪里,你们发生了什么,我们都会笑。但实际上,>> 如果我们现在讲这些故事,我想我们会感到震惊。>> 非常尴尬。>> 是的,我现在跟你分享这些我都感到尴尬。但说实话,[笑声]>> 亲爱的,这也不是什么大不了的事情,你会在洗手间里做些什么,喝太多了。>> 是的,没错,没错。我记得护士过来,我说,“请不要打电话给我的父母。你太嗨了。”你说,“请不要告诉他们。”他们说,“我们不在乎。你还好吗?”当你还是切尔西制造的一员时,是因为你才20岁左右吗?>> 我想是的,我[清嗓子]大概20、21岁,当节目播出的时候。>> 当我看那个节目的时候,即使现在,几乎每一幕都有香槟酒杯,有酒,是真的吗?你们在节目里喝酒吗?>> 是的,偶尔我们会白天拍摄夜总会派对场景。>> 对。>> 而且不会有,你知道,会有,你知道,比如闪闪发光的接骨木花茶,或者看起来像,你知道,像无酒精饮料。>> 是的。>> 所以看起来你在喝酒,但是的,很多时候是真的。而且你经常会坐在那里等着拍摄一个场景,有时[抽鼻子]那个场景可能和你合不来的人在一起,或者你知道你要和他们进行一次艰难的谈话。所以你会坐下来,在真正开始拍摄场景之前,先喝点酒来放松一下。>> 我的天。>> 而且你知道,拍摄日有很多等待时间。所以你当时可能没有意识到你喝了多少,或者你意识到了。>> 是的,片场有酒。拍摄期间有酒。我当时的生活就是这样,有很多派对。你知道,每周出去好几次,>> 你知道,宿醉,>> 有那些疯狂的深夜。>> 我以为我玩得很开心。>> 你呢?>> 我想我只是在试图逃避我的感受。你当时是什么感受?>> 我没有能力应对我的感受或调节我的情绪。>> 嗯,所以任何大的、可怕的感觉,我想,比如焦虑。>> 嗯,我十几岁时被诊断出患有抑郁症,但直到我长大后才接受治疗。>> 嗯,所以我想我只是真的,你知道,喝酒来应对,喝酒来麻木那些压倒性的感觉。>> 而且也试图融入,>> 试图感觉更自信。>> 我从杰米那里学到的一件事,当他来我的播客时,是关于真人秀节目是如何>> 很多都是由播出时间驱动的,>> 对吧?所以如果你是一个不怎么说话的人,可能不怎么出去,可能在节目里不怎么出现,你就会被遗忘,对吧?米莉,你是最初的《切尔西制造》的核心人物。 [笑声]我当时的生活有很多戏剧性。那是一个,你知道,有点混乱的时期。>> 是的。>> 你知道,和朋友闹翻,>> 嗯,你知道,和人发生关系,喝醉,做些愚蠢的事情,你知道。我的意思是,这在你十几岁和二十几岁的时候很常见,但大多数人没有摄像组跟着他们。>> 而且你觉得在电视上看到这一切,喝酒也有助于你自我安慰吗?因为我可以想象,我不知道你当时那么年轻。我以为你大一点,因为20岁在我看来很小。20、21岁的时候你还是个婴儿。>> 在我脑海里,现在回头看,我简直是个女孩。我甚至还没有变成女人。我不知道如何为自己辩护。我>> 不理解自己。>> 是的。如果你不知道如何控制你的情绪,不知道如何调节,我想酒精是你唯一的选择。在什么时候你才意识到,好吧,也许我喝得太多了,我感觉非常糟糕,我真的感觉非常恶心?因为你一开始说你总是宿醉,你会断片,你会感觉到这些。它有没有阻止过你?为什么没有阻止你?有时它会阻止我,我会出去玩得很糟糕,然后好几天都感觉很糟糕。我会说,“好吧,我要少喝点。我要少喝。我只想喝一种酒,比如一种,我只想喝龙舌兰酒。>> 好的。>> 我试图制定所有这些不同的规则和规定来试图少喝酒。>> 嗯,或者我会说我今晚不喝酒。但然后>> 有人会劝我,我真的没有意志力去应对那些社交场合。比如,我的决心会很快瓦解。>> 尤其是因为我有社交焦虑,我感到不舒服。所以,你知道,我用酒精来让自己更自在,来处理那些困难的情绪,这是最容易获得的东西。>> 你觉得你一直在掩饰很多吗?因为我知道很多人需要酒精来找乐子,他们就是这么想的。我本人也是这么想的。我是一个跳舞很尴尬的人。>> 哦,我也是。所以,所以,我实际上,我仍然在努力克服这一点,关于在清醒时感到自在地跳舞。>> 这很尴尬。人们在看着你,然后>> 我我总是觉得,哦天哪,每个人一定都觉得我像个怪人,但我总是在跳舞前喝一杯,我丈夫正好相反。他可以完全一样,即使在清醒的时候。我经常看着他,我想,你怎么能做到?因为我感到如此紧张和不舒服。我想这是我认识到的一个问题,也许我需要克服为什么我跳舞时会感到如此不舒服和紧张,比如在ABBA的演唱会上?为什么我这么紧张?这是ABBA啊!每个人都在跳舞,每个人都很自由。我想那就是>> 我认为这是深深植根于我们的东西,>> 从小。>> 你知道,作为孩子,我们自由地跳舞。>> 对。>> 我看着我的孩子们跳舞,这是最美妙的事情,因为他们就是如此,他们毫无顾忌。>> 嗯,他们不在乎别人怎么看。>> 太对了。>> 他们如此自由。>> 他们如此自由。>> 我看着他们跳舞,我也和他们一起跳,我说,我不在乎,我不在乎我看起来很傻。所以这实际上是在帮助我找回那一部分的自己。>> 这太棒了。>> 嗯,即使是去参加婚礼或夜总会,不喝酒就跳舞,对我来说仍然很难。我只是,我只是会僵住。>> 但我发现参加狂舞派对真的很有帮助。所以那是一种瑜伽式的运动课。>> 好的。>> 有DJ,但没有酒精。它通常在,你知道,一个旧教堂里,或者>> 很好。>> 烛光。你通常会戴耳机。所以它有点像[清嗓子]一个,它不是,那有点相似,但更具指导性。这是完全无指导的。就像你只想随着音乐跳舞,但你不和其他人一起跳舞。你不碰别人,你也不和别人说话。所以你是在独自的旅程中。>> 这就像一次向内的旅程。>> 好的。>> 当你随着音乐移动时,你几乎进入了一种冥想状态。>> 哇,我想去。>> 你会和我一起去吗?>> 是的,我很乐意。>> 这真的很有趣,也很自由。一开始,我有很多抵抗,我说,“这太尴尬了。这太糟糕了。”>> 我在一个静修会上做的。>> 嗯,通常是昏暗的灯光。>> 好的,那好多了。>> 嗯,我只是站在角落里,闭着眼睛,然后从一只脚摇到另一只脚。然后>> 到最后,我记得一开始,我看着另一个人跳舞,一个女人,她非常自由,我非常嫉妒。>> 我说,我讨厌她。>> 然后我说,哇,这是什么抵抗?这就像因为那就是我想要做到的。哦天哪,我喜欢这个。>> 然后我意识到,这实际上是我需要为自己的疗愈做的事情,它真的打开了一些东西。所以狂舞派对,对于任何想[抽鼻子]找到不喝酒跳舞方法的人来说。>> 哦天哪,这>> 听起来有点玄乎,但说实话,>> 很有趣。很自由。你会得到内啡肽,而且这是周末想出去玩但又不想出去喝酒的最佳选择。我经常和朋友一起去,这也有助于我感觉不那么尴尬。看,这会让我感觉更尴尬,因为我们去了We Are Sanctum,是我朋友Mera的生日。>> 她在那里庆祝生日。我们来晚了,谢天谢地,因为我们在大家对面,灯光很暗。而且只是为了让不知道We Are Sanctum的人知道,它很棒。它就像在教堂里,灯光昏暗。我们戴上耳机,他们说,“动起来,动起来。”一开始我感到非常不舒服,因为我,我一直看着我丈夫,想,“他在看我吗?”即使在他面前我也感到尴尬。>> 我知道。我知道你的意思。然后我想,我为什么会这样想?这太荒谬了。然后我终于放开了,但我觉得我只能因为别人看不到我。>> 然后我们去上了萨尔萨舞课。他带我去上萨尔萨舞课庆祝我们的周年纪念日,和别人一起。但我整个时间都在笑。我们一个小时后就离开了,因为我实在做不到。对我来说太不舒服了。>> 但那是一个小时。>> 而我所做的就是一直笑,来缓解>> 不适。那个人说,“你要换舞伴吗?”我们说,“不。”我说,我不想和别人跳舞。我拒绝。你刚才说的关于嫉妒的部分。分解一下。你去了那节课。你看到那个女人跳得很自由,你的第一反应是,我不喜欢她。>> 嗯。>> 和我谈谈。你的意思是“我不喜欢她”?你喜欢吗?>> 所以,关于嫉妒,我觉得很有趣的是,我年轻的时候不理解,嫉妒可以真正像一面镜子一样向我们展示我们渴望什么。如果你对某人或某事有抵抗,以一种真正让你恼火的方式,或者你觉得“我不喜欢他们”,或者就是,是的,他们让你感到沮丧,或者有这些负面情绪出现。你必须真正看看“它来自哪里”。>> 而且它经常能真正地告诉你,“好吧,它实际上在告诉你一些你缺乏的东西,你渴望自己拥有。”>> 我喜欢这一点,我也这么认为。我总是告诉人们,当你嫉妒某人时,这是一件好事。但我真的很喜欢你如此坦诚地分享,因为>> 我们可能没有意识到我们嫉妒那个人。>> 而且你知道,我总是说的一件事是>> 很容易看着某人,指出他们生活中得到的一切。>> 是的。>> 你越是关注他们自然拥有或在生活中得到的东西,你就越远离理解你如何才能做到。>> 完全同意。所以你看着她,说,“我嫉妒你。我恨你。等等,我为什么会这样想?实际上,我真的很喜欢你跳舞的方式,这意味着我也想这样做。”这是一个非常成熟的心态。不是很多人会觉得他们能很快区分这一点。你是在当下做到的,还是反思的结果?>> 我在一个静修会上。所以我记得和一位领导者谈话,我说,“我做不到,跳舞,感觉太不舒服了。我一直有很多身体上的感觉,比如我身体上的抵抗,比如我感觉非常恶心。我说,我觉得我胃有问题,这都是抵抗,这都是因为我害怕。这都是恐惧。>> 然后她说,“我认为,你知道,你需要“坚持下去,坚持不适,实际上你会意识到这是为你准备的。”我当时想,“不,你错了。”然后,那是一个大约2小时的舞蹈课程,到最后,我说,“好吧,我明白了。”这太棒了。我想我们大多数人都不想学一门新语言,因为我们喜欢背语法规则或在应用程序上收集积分。我们想学一门语言,因为我们想自信,无论是点餐、旅行、与人交流,还是在陌生的地方不退缩。我现在感觉尤其如此,因为我正处于一个重大的生活转变中。我要搬到国外,西班牙语将无处不在。我不想成为那个总是为不知道足够而道歉,或者因为害怕犯错或尴尬而避免交谈的人,我无法要求某样东西。学习一门语言并不是关于词语。它是关于当你停止说“对不起”而开始勇敢地出现时,你会变成谁。而这,[抽鼻子]就是为什么Babbel对我来说如此突出,因为它为现实生活对话而设计,而不是追求完美。有了Babbel,学习一门语言就是关于小步骤和真正的进步,你可以真正感受到。它的小课程适合现实生活,即使每天只有10分钟,在打包、计划或工作之间。它让我更容易管理,而不是感到不知所措。我喜欢的是Babbel明白目标不是一夜之间流利。它是关于自信,因为他们的课程是由200名语言专家和真人设计的,他们教你真正会使用的词语和短语,比如点餐、问路,或者进行简单的对话,这样你就可以在短短三周内开始自信地说话。Babbel不仅仅是课程。他们有大量的播客,专家们分享语言技巧和对当地文化的见解,我喜欢这一点,因为搬到国外不仅仅是说话。它也是关于感觉联系。无论你如何学习,无论是听、说、读还是写,Babbel都会根据你的风格进行调整,提供个性化的学习计划、实时反馈和进度跟踪。它是一款科学支持的语言学习应用程序,确实有效,并且在全球已售出超过2500万份订阅。它还提供14种语言,每门课程都附有20天退款保证。所以,这里有一个特别的限时优惠给你们这些听众。你可以在babble.com/millennialmind获得高达60%的Babbel订阅折扣。拼写是b aab bbbel.com/ a millennial mind。规则和限制可能适用。我会在节目说明中留下链接。祝你学习愉快。我真的很喜欢你分享这一点,因为我知道它会帮助很多人看着别人说,“我感到如此嫉妒,实际上我并不喜欢他们。”因为我认为有区别。有些人能认识到嫉妒的感觉,有些人只能看着某人,立刻不喜欢她的一切。我认为作为女性,我们必须停止这种想法,“我为什么如此批评这个女人?”你知道,我前几天和一个朋友聊天>> 她对一个女孩喋喋不休。我没有对她说,“我认为你嫉妒她。”但我只是说,“你为什么一直说她做的所有你不喜欢的事情?给她点赞。”>> 是的。我认为我们需要成为她最大的粉丝。>> 你需要像庆祝别人的成功一样庆祝。>> 我是Gabby Bernstein的忠实粉丝,>> 嗯,我正在参加她在1月份的应用程序上的显化挑战。>> 她说要寻找的其中一件事是,她说要寻找迹象,表明“你渴望的东西正在来的路上”。所以迹象可能看起来是,举个例子,假设你在想>> 想要一段关系,想要找到你的>> 生活伴侣,你总是看到恩爱的夫妇。你可以想,“这让我很难过”,或者她说你应该把它看作是“这些迹象表明我想要的东西正在来的路上”。>> 是的,这是你的看法。>> 我喜欢。嗯。>> 所以,而不是环顾四周,看看别人在做什么,然后和自己比较,让自己感到难过,>> 实际上让它让你感觉良好。>> 是的。>> 但这是我们必须做出的选择。我可以看着你,看着你拥有的一切,而我没有,或者我可以看着你,看着你拥有的一切,看看我也拥有什么。>> 这实际上会加强我们的关系,而前者会让我们渐行渐远。我认为现在我们许多人感到如此孤立的原因是,我们一直在关注那些将我们分开的事物。>> 以及社交媒体上的比较文化,你开始看着某人的帖子,然后想,“哦,这个帖子很好。我为什么不做这样的帖子呢?”然后突然它开始向你展示更多类似的帖子,然后你想,“啊,每个人都在做这些,每个人都在做那个,为什么我没有?”>> 是的。>> 是的。这真的很难。>> 是的。我喜欢你提出了你经历过的情感方面的事情。当你还在喝酒的时候,你的情绪是怎样的?你是如何意识到你没有处理好它们?因为我相信你当时只是在压抑它们。>> 哦,我绝对是在压抑它们。我并不愿意去感受负面情绪。>> 所以,基本上是,“好吧,把它们压下去。避免它们。转移它们。找其他方法不去感受。”嗯。>> 酒精可能是最主要的。>> 嗯,然后会发生的是,我开始出现恐慌发作,因为当你有了这些负面情绪,而你又不愿意真正去做工作,去看看它们来自哪里,而你只是在麻木,你知道,有很多不同的方法可以麻木,它们会像潮水一样涌来,因为你的身体在承受这一切。你的神经系统[清嗓子]在记分。是的。>> 就像身体会记下分数,你所有的过去创伤,负面经历,都记录在你的神经系统中。除非你愿意,你知道,去做工作,去看看这些负面情绪来自哪里,>> 你的身体会,你知道,给你一些非常大的信号,那些是真正的警告。>> 比如恐慌发作。可能是炎症,慢性疼痛,比如不同的疾病。这是你身体在说,“你需要看看这个。”>> 所以当你经历恐慌发作时,你多大了?>> 嗯,我可能十几岁时就有了第一次恐慌发作,但在我二十几岁的时候,它们变得更频繁了。>> 你是怎么把这和酒精联系起来的?>> 嗯,因为我经常在喝酒的第二天出现。就像我宿醉的时候,我会恐慌发作。>> 人们只是说,“哦,那是焦虑,对吧?”>> 是的。我们只是说,“哦天哪,她就是受不了宿醉。”那么你是如何开始处理这些的呢?>> 嗯,我通常不会,我必须,你知道,取消我的一天。我必须,你知道,离开我所在的地方。我>> 是的,我觉得我变得很不靠谱。所以如果我前一晚喝酒了,第二天通常就报废了,而且可能不仅仅是第二天,可能是接下来的几天。>> 所以那可能影响了你的工作,你的关系。>> 有时我会喝酒,试图再次喝酒来度过焦虑。酒精也驱使我产生更多的焦虑。所以,这是一种非常恶性的循环。>> 是的,当然。因为你不知道什么在安慰你,什么在驱动你。>> 你借酒消愁,来缓解焦虑,但酒精本身又制造了更多的焦虑,然后你喝醉时所做的事情又会加剧那种混乱的羞耻感。这就像一个羞耻的循环。艾伦·卡尔在他的书《如何戒烟》中谈到了这一点,有人,我还没读过,有人只是告诉我这个例子,我觉得很棒,他说人们吸烟是为了获得某种缓解,但如果他们没有香烟,他们就需要另一支香烟来获得另一种缓解。所以他基本上说,这就像一整天都穿着紧鞋。>> 然后当你脱下鞋子时,哦,太好了。>> 然后你又穿上紧鞋。>> 是的。>> 你就处于这个持续的循环中,你只是想,“为什么你不停下来?”但他们说,“我需要缓解。”>> 但吸烟让你焦虑。>> 你明白我的意思吗?所以我想,这同样适用于酒精。>> 你认为酒精给你带来某种缓解。你知道,你脱下了紧鞋,但你本来可以一开始就不用穿紧鞋的。>> 是的。>> 然后你可能就不会有这个问题了。但这是一个人们会陷入的非常恶性的循环。在什么时候你才意识到这是一个恶性循环?因为家里会有人有类似的经历。我醒来,我感到焦虑,但我并不经常喝酒。而且我才二十几岁,所以这很正常。或者我三十几岁了,三十几岁和二十几岁有点不同。二十几岁的时候,我还能应付。三十几岁的时候,我真的不行了。随着年龄的增长,它变得更难了。但在什么时候,你才意识到这对我是真的很有害,而且对我来说是无效的呢?>> 我认为就是当你意识到代价大于回报的时候。好吧,也许你喝酒时一两个小时的乐趣>> 是的。>> 不值得你第二天感受到的不适、痛苦、焦虑、羞耻。>> 是的。>> 我认为就是当你不得不看着它说,“好吧,我的饮酒是在伤害我吗?我有一个问题吗?它是在偷走我的快乐吗?它影响了我的关系吗?它影响了我的健康吗?它影响了我想要在世界上如何表现吗?它影响了我的工作吗?它影响了我想要为自己做的所有健康的事情吗?”而且通常是这样,你知道,它偷走了你的时间。是的。偷走了你的钱,影响了你的关系,影响了你想要在世界上如何表现。>> 而且让你一直停滞不前。我认为这是一种停滞。你感觉如何停滞?>> 我感觉就像我被困在一辆我不知道如何停止的毁灭性列车上。我不知道如何下来,>> 但我非常想。我会说,“好吧,我一个月不喝酒,或者,你知道,我要排毒。我要,你知道,我要[抽鼻子]适度。我要暂停一段时间。”但它会,我总是会重新开始喝酒。>> 因为我没有处理那些让我想要喝酒的不舒服的问题。>> 我花了很多时间才意识到,好吧,我真的需要完全停止。>> 嗯,我三年前半就停止了。直到我真正停止并致力于保持清醒,>> 我无法,我无法下车。就像我一直在想,“也许我只能喝一杯。”我不能只喝一杯。>> 对我来说,酒精是不安全的。我以前认为,“好吧,也许我只是,你知道,暂时停止喝酒,做很多治疗,我就可以重新开始喝酒了,因为我不会再感到焦虑了,因为我会痊愈了。”>> 好的。然后当我停止喝酒,我真的更了解自己,并且真的回顾了我过去与酒精的关系,我才真正看到它对我来说有多危险,以及它给我带来了多少焦虑。>> 而且我越深入,我就越想,“我为什么要再喝酒?”>> 即使我,你知道,不再感到焦虑,虽然我不认为这对我来说是可能的,因为我知道我的大脑在酒精方面是如何运作的。对我来说,现在根本不合理,为什么我还要再喝酒?>> 在你的书中,你谈到了饮酒、生育能力和荷尔蒙。你说你三年前半就完全戒酒了。谈谈备孕吧,因为我知道我的很多听众正处于这个阶段,建议是不要喝酒。在怀孕前6个月不要喝酒。当然,怀孕期间是禁忌。对你来说,一个与酒精斗争过的人来说,这怎么样?>> 所以,我很幸运地立刻就怀孕了。>> 好的。>> 所以在我想要开始尝试的时候,我没有喝酒。>> 哦,你没有?>> 我过了30岁生日。我们有一个,我有一个盛大的派对,然后我知道,好吧,在我30岁之后,我想开始尝试。>> 好的。>> 嗯,我记得我说,“好吧,我们去旅行了,去了印度尼西亚,我当时在想,好吧,我们现在在尝试,我那周没有喝酒,我们出去玩了两个星期。我没有喝酒,当我们回来的时候,我就怀孕了。”我知道这很不寻常。>> 是的。>> 嗯。当然。>> 你知道,就这样。我感到如此幸运,我怀孕了,>> 如此之快。那是我和我第一个女儿。我怀孕时的一种感觉是如释重负,因为我不会再被迫喝酒了。所以我想>> 有趣的是人们,我一直>> 我一直有点,我有一个正当的理由不喝酒。人们不会强迫我喝酒,人们不会期望我喝酒。我想,“这太棒了。我突然觉得,“哇,我真的不,我真的不想喝酒。我真的想待在家里,舒适地,专注于,你知道,照顾好我的身体,并且,你知道,读书,并且非常注意我能做的一切来创造一个最健康的孩子。>> 而且,你知道,进入那种如何拥有,你知道,如何拥有健康怀孕的心态。而且我怀孕时不想喝酒。我,我想我偶尔会,你知道,抿一口,比如香槟或者>> 一杯葡萄酒。我绝对在前3个月没有喝,因为我感觉太恶心了。>> 而且我只是,你知道,是的。>> 甚至这个想法也让我感到恶心。是的。那种感觉,你知道,我实际上喜欢>> 不喝酒,而且我感觉没有人能说服我喝酒,因为,你知道,我显然现在要考虑宝宝了。>> 所以,而且显然人们不会走到孕妇面前说,“来吧,喝一杯。”>> 我感觉我有一个,你知道,一个社会上可接受的理由不喝酒。而过去,即使我说,“我不喝酒。”有人会说,“来吧,喝一杯。”而我就会说,“哦,好吧。”>> 但人们没有给我压力。而且,我也减少了外出。然后是疫情,>> 对吧?好的。这让事情更容易了。>> 在我怀孕中期。嗯,我想很多人在疫情期间在家喝了很多酒,但我显然没有。>> 是的。>> 嗯,这意味着突然没有活动之类的要去了。所以,所以这可能让事情更容易。>> 嗯,然后在我有了女儿之后,>> 你知道,我确实又开始喝酒了,我发现[清嗓子]有了新妈妈的压力,我的心理健康,我想说我有一些产后抑郁症,当时没有诊断出来。你知道,有了新宝宝的压力,而且是疫情,当我再次开始喝酒的时候,这是一个非常奇怪的时期,[清嗓子]我,我,它肯定对我的心理健康产生了负面影响,但感觉像是一种解脱,你知道,一天结束的时候,漫长的一天结束了,你很累,宝宝一直很麻烦,你>> 就像在摸索一切。一切都感觉如此不同。你的整个身份都改变了。>> 你不知道你是谁。就像我,我感觉我的身体完全不一样了。>> 嗯,我有很多,嗯,我有很多,很多挣扎,在第一次怀孕之后。我想对于很多新妈妈来说,你知道,在一天辛苦的结束时,你有你的夜晚,你只是想放松一下,你就会转向,你知道,家里最容易获得的东西。就像一天结束时喝一杯葡萄酒,喝一杯酒,感觉就像你的奖励。>> 是的。而且这种“妈妈需要酒”的文化。>> 是的。>> 实际上非常危险。>> 是的。我的意思是,我个人讨厌葡萄酒,我从来没喝过[清嗓子]它,我不能喝它。但我绝对能体会你说的话,即使是在辛苦漫长的一天之后,放松一下感觉很好。你知道,尼克和我,因为我们俩都不怎么喝酒。>> 我发现我有时会对他,我说,“我们应该有趣点吗?”>> 我们很无聊。我们应该有趣点,喝一杯,然后我们喝一杯,然后我们会说,“好吧,算了。我们不想这样。”因为>> 我也认为对一些人来说,酒精会让你感觉很好,让你放松。我认为对我来说,它会让我想要出去,然后天冷了,所以我觉得我的人生在做什么?但我想谈谈你一开始说的,我觉得很有趣的事情。你怀孕的时候,你感到如释重负,因为你不用告诉别人你还能喝酒了。我想,我没想到你会这么说。我以为你会告诉我,当我发现我怀孕了,我很紧张,因为我接下来的9个月不能喝酒,因为你知道,我觉得女性不得不放弃很多东西,你知道,你不能喝含糖饮料,或者咖啡因,或者别的什么,比如你不能喝咖啡,你不能喝茶,我的意思是,我一天喝五杯咖啡,所以对我来说会是个噩梦,但你知道,有很多东西女性不得不放弃,我听到人们说的是,“我的天哪,我9个月不能喝酒。”>> 所以,作为一个一生都在喝酒的人。有趣的是,你的第一感觉是如释重负,这意味着你很大一部分的饮酒压力来自其他人。>> 是的。>> 所以,这是否敲响了警钟,让你意识到也许我需要设定更好的界限,或者,你知道,我身边没有对的朋友,或者我可能不在一个我想和那些不断强迫我喝酒的人在一起的环境中。它绝对在我内心深处“转移”了一些东西。>> 是的。然后在我有了第二个女儿之后,嗯,她6个月大的时候,我才停止喝酒。我想它一直留在我的脑海里,就像一颗种子被种下了,我想,“好吧,但如果我能给自己许可不喝酒呢?”>> 是的。>> 因为我选择对我最好的。>> 是的。>> 那么,我为什么要关心别人怎么想呢?它慢慢地成长,直到我说,“等等,我就可以停止了。”>> 我不必,[清嗓子]怀孕,或者有一个理由>> 是的。>> 来告诉你,我不再喝酒了。>> 我可以选择>> 停止,而这不再是我的故事,而这也不再是我做的事情,因为它对我来说是一种有毒的习惯。>> 你知道,我很久以来都觉得,“也许我的问题不够严重,不能停止。”>> 我认为这让很多人停滞不前。>> 是的。>> 你知道,就像,“好吧,我觉得我不需要,我没有那种依赖,我每天早上醒来就喝酒。我不认为我需要去戒毒所。”>> 对。>> 所以,每当有人说,“就喝一杯吧”,即使我当时知道这会严重影响我的心理健康,我还是会说,“哦,好吧,我就喝一杯。”而且很少只是一杯。但即使是一杯也会让我第二天更焦虑。是的。>> 而且影响我的睡眠。总之,我终于下定决心,我真的可以给自己这个礼物。我只是说“不”。>> 是的。而且我坚持下去,我是认真的,因为这实际上对我更好。这对我心理健康更好。这就像选择我自己。>> 而且很多时候是不在乎别人怎么想。>> 嗯,是的,这是我的问题。在什么时候,我真的觉得
所以你这么说很有趣,因为我立刻想到的就是你更担心别人会逼你做你不愿意做的事情。 >> 这是不是有点像讨好别人? >> 是的。那么,你是什么时候意识到这一点并停止这样做的呢?因为有很多人知道自己是讨好型人格,却不知道如何停止。 >> 是的。我甚至不知道那是否是某一个事件。我认为是很多小事累加起来 >> 到了一个我意识到“这对我来说已经行不通了”的地步。就像“不值得付出努力”。 >> 嗯,我无法否认它对我的精神健康造成了多大的影响。但真正让我有勇气停止的,是有了我的孩子们。 >> 为什么? >> 因为那不再仅仅关乎我一个人了,而是关乎他们。 >> 我在想,我想成为一个什么样的母亲?我不想宿醉、焦虑,无法像我希望的那样出现在他们面前。我喜欢做母亲,我爱我的女儿们,我喜欢婴儿时期,喜欢蹒跚学步时期。虽然它们都很有挑战性,但我喜欢有我的孩子们。我觉得这非常有成就感。 >> 嗯。当我宿醉时,我无法真正享受和我的孩子们在一起的时光,也无法在周末真正享受那段时光,因为我没有宿醉,而且我想要在那里。我几乎每晚都想陪她们洗澡、哄她们睡觉。我想成为一个在场的父母。 >> 是的。 >> 我意识到,如果我要调节自己的情绪,成为我能成为的最好的父母,我就不能喝酒。你对一个可能喝得有点多,然后一整天都宿醉在床上的母亲的评价有什么感觉? >> 哦,太糟糕了。 >> 你是从谁那里得到这种评价的? >> 我想甚至是我自己。 >> 那种感觉就像是羞耻感,对吧?想着:“好吧,我昨晚喝得烂醉。天哪,我说了什么?我做了什么?我可是个母亲。”然后我总是会自我谴责。然后我意识到,我只是在喝酒来应对,你知道,成为一个新手母亲的痛苦,以及焦虑,你知道,在有了女儿的最初几年,我真的在与我的精神健康作斗争。 >> 所以,我当时,你知道,用酒精来真正地试图应对,试图不感受,而这只会让一切变得更糟。我真的很喜欢你一开始说的,你没有承认你的感受。你没有感受你的感受,而总有一天它会追上你。 >> 是的。 >> 你会对那些感到不知所措、压力很大,并且不一定认为酒精对她们目前有害的新手妈妈们有什么建议吗?不过,我敢肯定,而且我以前听你说过,有了孩子之后宿醉,没有什么比这更能让你远离酒精了。 >> 不,真的。那么,你会给新手妈妈们什么建议,关于如何调节自己,如何理解自己的感受?因为 >> 如果她们转向酒精,我觉得这可能会成为很多人的一种重复模式,作为一种应对机制 >> 而且人们会因此困扰很多年。 >> 正是如此。 >> 即使她们以前可能不认为自己与酒精有不健康的关系。 >> 是的。通常这种情况会在孩子出生后开始,因为她们觉得, >> 你知道,突然之间她们承担了以前没有的巨大的精神负担;然后你的荷尔蒙在变化。女性的身体尤其会发生很多其他事情,这意味着酒精可能比男性对你的影响更大, >> 对吧? >> 并且会扰乱我们很多内部系统。我会给其他挣扎的新手妈妈的建议是:寻求帮助。我们越来越被期望独自完成很多育儿工作, [清嗓子] >> 就像我们独自一人,或者没有,你知道,没有支持的群体。村庄在哪里? >> 是的。而且,显然,对不同的人来说,可用的帮助确实不同,而且显然,很多时候取决于你能负担多少。但它可以是另一个妈妈、朋友的帮助,嗯 >> 一个你信任的人,你对她说:“你能帮我带孩子两个小时,让我睡一觉吗?”你知道,也要善待自己。你不能,你不能什么都做,而且没关系。我发现早期寻求帮助真的很难。我感觉 >> 我想 [抽鼻子] 坚强,我想做到,我不想让别人和我一起带孩子。 [清嗓子] >> 好的。你认为这如何阻碍了你?因为我觉得 >> 这太累人了。 >> 我觉得很多女性都在评判其他女性寻求帮助。 >> 嗯。 >> 但有趣的是, >> 这是真的 >> 是我们评判女性的是付费帮助。无偿帮助完全没问题。是的。所以,我知道有些女性的祖父母每天都会帮忙, >> 有姑姑和叔叔会来,有姐妹和兄弟会非常积极地参与,而且没有任何评判。但一旦你可能没有一个支持性的家庭,或者说你的家人住在不同的国家,或者说你的家人离你很远 >> 然后你得到了付费帮助,突然之间你就变得很幸运,然后你做的任何事情都完全可以接受,因为你得到了帮助。你为什么认为女性在寻求帮助方面会受到如此多的评判?你为什么认为女性会如此紧张地寻求帮助?因为我觉得这有点像一个循环,不是吗?我们害怕寻求帮助,因为我们非常担心被评判,认为我们不够好,我们做得不够多,我们无法应对,我们想专注于其他事情,这就是为什么我们要寻求帮助。我们很自私。 >> 我认为这些都是原因。就像那些让我们感到内疚或羞耻的原因。比如很长一段时间,我觉得我不能公开说我付钱请人帮忙。但从我开始,我是自由职业者,从你知道的,我的两个孩子出生后六周或八周,我就在工作了。 >> 是的。 >> 我丈夫也在工作,所以如果没有帮助,你怎么能工作呢?我的父母不住在附近。 >> 是的。 >> 所以,你知道,这很困难,就像我的,我没有像家人那样近。 >> 是的。我意识到,通过不告诉别人我得到了帮助,但然后人们看着我的 Instagram,看到我和女儿们穿着漂亮的衣服,搭配得体的服装,做着所有这些事情。我说,这实际上是在传播一个危险的故事,人们会想,好吧,她是个新手妈妈,看,她居然能做到这一切,而且看起来如此得体。她是怎么做到的?然后这可能会让别人感到难过。所以,我开始公开谈论这件事,并说,是的,我确实得到了帮助,对吧?而且没关系。我仍然觉得我可能受到了一些攻击,但我想,我只是 >> 我只是要说,我只是要诚实。我认为人们越诚实,就越有帮助。但是,我们为什么要攻击那些得到帮助的女性呢?得到帮助是可以的。当然,你需要帮助。 >> 正是如此。每个人都说养育孩子需要一个村庄。 >> 但我们应该从哪里创造这个村庄呢? >> 我们,我们没有村庄。 >> 正是如此。而且,我觉得这有点可悲,因为我知道很多妈妈会隐藏她们得到了很多帮助的事实,她们有,你知道,每天有一、两个人来家里帮忙做饭、打扫、照顾孩子。而且她们不在网上分享。而在网上,她们分享的是一个截然不同的形象:我太忙了,我太累了,精神负担太重了,我没时间做任何事。我觉得这有点可悲,因为我觉得人们之所以害怕分享,是因为她们害怕被评判。 >> 是的。 >> 而且总是女性。我从未听过一个男人说:“我真不敢相信她请了保姆。”我这辈子都没听过。你听过吗? >> 不。 >> 如果你在家听,请告诉我们你是否听过一个男人说:“我真不敢相信她请了保姆。”这话总是出自女性之口。我觉得我们必须理解这一点。我明白。就像你说的,你看着那个女人,她是个很棒的舞者,你想:“我讨厌她。”如果你是一个在家里的女人,有三份工作, >> 当你真的在挣扎的时候, >> 你在努力维持生计,然后你看到,你知道,像你这样的人,她的女儿穿着搭配得体的衣服,还说:“是的,我有个保姆。”我明白为什么人们会有这种感觉。但同样,如果你看着某人,只盯着你没有的东西,你就没有把自己放在一个能够思考如何才能得到它的位置,对吧?我觉得我们所有人都不是 >> 我认为网上有一种说法,就是我们必须做的一切都必须是 relatable。 >> [抽鼻子] >> 我认为这是危险的。我认为,因为我们基本上是在说,我们都应该过完全一样的生活。有一个女孩做了一个规则,我会发给你,它叫做“豆汤理论”。它基本上是一个理论。 >> 你看过吗? >> 不。 >> 这是我们见过的最好的规则。她基本上说,我前几天在浏览时,有人上传了一碗豆汤。然后有人在下面说:“如果我对豆子过敏怎么办?”她说:“那你就别做这碗汤。” >> 就像我们不是在窒息。 >> 你不必,你不必参与我的内容。不要,不要关注我。静音我。随便。就是这样。如果你对豆子过敏,就别看豆汤的食谱。然后她说,你知道,有人刚宣布:“哦,天哪,我刚找到一份工作。”有人说:“好吧,我刚被裁员了。”她说: >> 没人关心。就是停止你的 >> 这是负面的,就像负面的输出。而且,我意识到我们正在做更多的“显化”,当你专注于你没有的东西时, >> 你正在显化更多。 >> 当然。 >> 你听过黑咖啡的比喻吗? >> 不。告诉我。好吧,我可能会弄错,但大概是这样的。好吧,一个女孩走进一家咖啡店,她说,咖啡师问:“你想要什么咖啡?”她说:“我想要,嗯,任何不是黑咖啡的。” >> 好的。 >> 但她没说她想要什么。然后咖啡师很困惑,她说:“好吧,她想要什么?”她说,她有没有说她想要黑咖啡,或者她最后给了她一杯黑咖啡,她说:“不,我说我想要任何不是黑咖啡的。”她说,但她只听到了黑咖啡。基本上是说,我不认为我把这个故事讲得很好。 >> 不,我明白了,我明白了。 >> 你关注的是什么,就像你生活中会带来更多东西的东西,就像你的能量会关注什么。是的。如果你说得更多。 >> 是的。 >> 对吧?那么你只会专注于这一点。而且,别人也会记住你。 >> 正是如此。你知道,如果你是一个总是抱怨的人,因为你宿醉,或者,比如说,你因为宿醉而易怒,而且你感觉很糟糕,那么每个人都会记住你那样,而那不是你想成为的人。 >> 就像书名《坏酒鬼》一样,我觉得给它起这个名字很大胆。你知道,说“嘿,我曾经是个坏酒鬼”可能会附带很多羞耻感。 >> 但直到我停止喝酒,我才觉得这是我可以摆脱的东西。就像我觉得我只会以那个人的身份被记住,你知道,那个坏酒鬼, >> 对吧? >> 而实际上,现在我,你知道,回想起来,我很高兴我现在不是那个人了,而且那不再是一个仍然适合我的标签。 >> 我真的很想和你谈谈那个,我一会儿还要谈谈羞耻感。我之所以想提起这个,是因为我经常觉得那些早期分享了很多生活的人, >> 人们总是记得他们是那样,他们总是说, >> 你知道,我从来没听过有人这样说你,顺便说一句,但我听过很多人说,你知道,你觉得他们现在真的那样吗?或者因为,你知道,我以前每天都看他们,你知道,最近有个人说,我认识她。我以前认识她,她从来不是这样的人。我总是觉得人是可以改变的。 >> 是的。好吧,十年前或二十年前的我,不是现在的我。 >> 我也不是。 >> 就像每个人都做了那个 2016 年的回归。 >> 是的。 >> 我当时想,我一点也不是那个女孩。我真的 >> 就像,我甚至认不出我来。 >> 但这就是自我发展,不是吗?去 >> 成长。就像, >> 当然你想改变、成长和进化。你不想停留在,我是说,你可能想保持你年轻时的样子, >> 但你不想停留在那个同一个人。 >> 但你如何摆脱那种羞耻感呢?因为,你知道,我敢肯定,当你回顾过去时,你还会看那些《切尔西制造》的剧集吗? >> 我,我很久没看了。我想我可能会感到一些羞耻,如果我看了它们,尤其是有一幕是酒被泼了。 [笑声] 我还记得那个场景。但你知道,如果你看了那个,并且感到羞耻感涌上心头,你学到了一些什么练习和工具呢?因为我认为克服像,你知道,喝酒这样的事情可能极其困难,而且你知道网上有很多信息。你知道,假设我正在克服毒瘾,但我知道,到处都知道我是一个总是吸毒的人。我的意思是,这并不完全一样,因为酒精更容易被接受,尽管我认为它有点像毒品。 >> 嗯。 >> 不,它就是一种毒品。 >> 它的羞耻感会让你从治愈中退缩。那么,你实际采取了哪些步骤,然后我们可以进入那些练习,现在 >> 羞耻感很难处理。我认为它确实是一种可以长期缠绕着我们的东西。 >> 羞耻感让你感到孤单。羞耻感让你感到孤立。羞耻感让你觉得都是你的错,而且你是有缺陷的。它就是一种可怕的感觉。我帮助处理我的羞耻感的方式,我想,很多是治疗, >> 嗯,但就像回去做很多内在小孩的工作,并对年轻的自己有很多的同情。而且,我,你知道,相信我们都有我们年轻时的不同版本,就像我们内在的孩子。 >> 我同意。 >> 我们需要进去和她们说话, >> 我们需要进去和她们沟通。当焦虑发作或不舒服的情绪发作时,可能是愤怒,可能是悲伤,可能是,你知道,任何困难的负面情绪 >> 我们需要将其视为一个信号,表明你需要检查一下 >> 你年轻的那个部分,你年轻的版本, >> 然后进去和她们谈谈,看看她们为什么不开心。而且,你知道,当我们被触发时,就是我们年轻的自己被过去让我们不开心的事情所触发。 >> 是的。 >> 所以,这就像是利用它作为一张地图,回去治愈那些你可能没有处理过、深埋的东西。这是一个过程。我不认为你突然就到了一个点,你会说:“我完成了。我完全治愈了。我做了所有工作。我 >> 我,我没事了。我准备好了。就像,我 >> 我认为这是一个终生的过程,你不断地学习和进化,也许只是剥洋葱。 >> 你觉得治疗中有哪个练习让你印象深刻吗? >> 对我来说,一个非常有力量的练习是回溯疗法。你做过吗? >> 不。 >> 这几乎就像被催眠,然后你被带回你的过去,也许是你想处理的一个特定的创伤事件,然后进入这种催眠状态。你被一个说话的人引导,你会回到那个事件, >> 好的? >> 然后和年轻的自己说话,就像你现在的自己,未来的自己,告诉她们你知道的,她们会没事的,甚至,你知道,安抚她们,拥抱她们,把她们带出也许发生创伤事件的地方。 >> 嗯,我觉得这非常有治愈作用。我有一个经历,我进去,然后就像带着我年轻的自己一起出去。 >> 哇。 >> 和我一起,你知道,经历了一次巨大的情感释放,很多眼泪,很多感觉像是被困在我身体里很多年了。这真的很有力量。还有,身体疗法,我一直在和一个很棒的治疗师合作,她做 >> 嗯,身体疗法,这基本上是身体释放工作。所以,我们会做呼吸练习,有时她会 >> 把手放在我的身体上,我就会真的颤抖、哭泣,这是一种释放身体里强烈情绪的方式。 >> 哇。你觉得你的童年是你不太表达情感的一个重要因素吗? >> 那么,你如何改变你和你的女儿们呢? >> 所以,她们知道自己的情绪是有效的。 >> 好的。无论是什么情绪,她们都可以表达。但也有界限,就是你可以,好吧,你可以尖叫,你可以大喊,你可以生气,那是有效的。你可以难过。但你不能打你的姐妹。你也不能去打碎家里的东西。你也不能去用记号笔在墙上乱涂乱画。因为,如果你那样做了,那么,好吧,我们将不得不暂时拿走电视。我们将不得不, [清嗓子] >> 所以,她们就是这样理解的。但首先,我从不说“别哭了”。我从不说“安静”。我从不说“回你房间去”。 >> 你从不说那些话。 >> 不。 >> 那些是别人对你说的吗? >> 我想是的,当时很正常,你知道,就像 30 年前,人们会说: >> 你知道,就像“只管看,别说话”或者,“你知道,做一个好女孩,别哭。”而且,你知道, >> 别惹麻烦。 >> 它们在那里。别惹麻烦。它们在那里,你知道,为什么你没事,波,但就是,你知道,随便。你知道,有很多不同的短语,我觉得我们 >> 随口就说出来。 >> 基本上就是说,它们在那里,做一个好女孩。去,你知道,去打扮漂亮点,或者去,你知道, >> 去 [抽鼻子] 在那边玩。 >> 去,就去吧。是的。做点什么,任何事。现在不要有这种反应。或者如果你有这种反应,好吧,就去另一个房间,关上门。 [笑声] >> 回你楼上的房间。 >> 是的。然后我去了寄宿学校,那里非常 >> 感觉不安全,无法表达我的情感。 >> 好的。而且我非常难过,非常难以离开家,但我的所有情感都被压抑了。然后我学会了压抑,是从 10 岁开始的。 >> 所以,现在和我的女儿们在一起,我非常重视让她们知道她们的情绪是有效的,她们的情绪是安全的。 >> 嗯,如果她们在发脾气,我不会离开她们。有时她们需要空间,我会说没关系,但我会在附近。 >> 好的。好的。 >> 而且我真的在努力教她们如何调节情绪,通过调节我自己的情绪。所以,我的小女儿,她每天早上都会因为穿衣服而有点崩溃。这其实不是关于穿衣服,而是它在这个时候发生。很快就会在醒来后发生,这很正常。好的。我只是待在房间里,我只是不对此做出反应。而且她真的很烦人。但每次她烦人的时候,我都会说:“好吧。” >> 我不惹她,我只是保持冷静。 >> 然后,实际上 >> 这真的很难,因为我内心在想:“这太 [ __ ] 烦人了。” >> 是的。我正想说,你怎么做到的? >> 我只能深呼吸,然后检查一下,然后提醒自己 >> 她过得很艰难。她过得很艰难。你就是她学习调节的方式。所以,就像 >> 哇 >> 一样,如果我反应了,我就是在教她。所以她们一直在看着你,吸收你所做的一切。 >> 而且,像有孩子非常敏感,有很大的反应。你能做的最好的事情就是保持冷静,就在那里,不要试图纠正。我认为父母们常常认为他们必须纠正行为,不想要的行为,坏的行为,但实际上不是把它看作坏行为。我读了一本叫做《没有所谓的淘气》的书。没有所谓的淘气。这是一本很棒的书。基本上解释了孩子大脑的工作方式,以及它们像未发育的杏仁核一样。 >> 当她们在发脾气时,你不能纠正行为,因为她们没有逻辑思考。 >> 所以你必须等到她们冷静下来,然后进行谈话,然后说:“好吧,亲爱的,看到你如此难过真的很难。我们来谈谈吧。发生了什么?你当时有什么感觉?”让她们说出名字。我认为在你身上做情绪调节工作,同时也理解如何教她们调节自己的情绪。就像,她们在学校现在做得比我年轻时多得多。就像教她们,你是在红色区域还是绿色区域?而且 >> Sienna 在过去六个月里一直和一位治疗师一起工作 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 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所以你这么说很有趣,因为我立刻想到的就是你更担心别人会逼你做你不愿意做的事情。 >> 这是不是有点像讨好别人? >> 是的。那么,你是什么时候意识到这一点并停止这样做的呢?因为有很多人知道自己是讨好型人格,却不知道如何停止。 >> 是的。我甚至不知道那是否是某一个事件。我认为是很多小事累加起来 >> 到了一个我意识到“这对我来说已经行不通了”的地步。就像“不值得付出努力”。 >> 嗯,我无法否认它对我的精神健康造成了多大的影响。但真正让我有勇气停止的,是有了我的孩子们。 >> 为什么? >> 因为那不再仅仅关乎我一个人了,而是关乎他们。 >> 我在想,我想成为一个什么样的母亲?我不想宿醉、焦虑,无法像我希望的那样出现在他们面前。我喜欢做母亲,我爱我的女儿们,我喜欢婴儿时期,喜欢蹒跚学步时期。虽然它们都很有挑战性,但我喜欢有我的孩子们。我觉得这非常有成就感。 >> 嗯。当我宿醉时,我无法真正享受和我的孩子们在一起的时光,也无法在周末真正享受那段时光,因为我没有宿醉,而且我想要在那里。我几乎每晚都想陪她们洗澡、哄她们睡觉。我想成为一个在场的父母。 >> 是的。 >> 我意识到,如果我要调节自己的情绪,成为我能成为的最好的父母,我就不能喝酒。你对一个可能喝得有点多,然后一整天都宿醉在床上的母亲的评价有什么感觉? >> 哦,太糟糕了。 >> 你是从谁那里得到这种评价的? >> 我想甚至是我自己。 >> 那种感觉就像是羞耻感,对吧?想着:“好吧,我昨晚喝得烂醉。天哪,我说了什么?我做了什么?我可是个母亲。”然后我总是会自我谴责。然后我意识到,我只是在喝酒来应对,你知道,成为一个新手母亲的痛苦,以及焦虑,你知道,在有了女儿的最初几年,我真的在与我的精神健康作斗争。 >> 所以,我当时,你知道,用酒精来真正地试图应对,试图不感受,而这只会让一切变得更糟。我真的很喜欢你一开始说的,你没有承认你的感受。你没有感受你的感受,而总有一天它会追上你。 >> 是的。 >> 你会对那些感到不知所措、压力很大,并且不一定认为酒精对她们目前有害的新手妈妈们有什么建议吗?不过,我敢肯定,而且我以前听你说过,有了孩子之后宿醉,没有什么比这更能让你远离酒精了。 >> 不,真的。那么,你会给新手妈妈们什么建议,关于如何调节自己,如何理解自己的感受?因为 >> 如果她们转向酒精,我觉得这可能会成为很多人的一种重复模式,作为一种应对机制 >> 而且人们会因此困扰很多年。 >> 正是如此。 >> 即使她们以前可能不认为自己与酒精有不健康的关系。 >> 是的。通常这种情况会在孩子出生后开始,因为她们觉得, >> 你知道,突然之间她们承担了以前没有的巨大的精神负担;然后你的荷尔蒙在变化。女性的身体尤其会发生很多其他事情,这意味着酒精可能比男性对你的影响更大, >> 对吧? >> 并且会扰乱我们很多内部系统。我会给其他挣扎的新手妈妈的建议是:寻求帮助。我们越来越被期望独自完成很多育儿工作, [清嗓子] >> 就像我们独自一人,或者没有,你知道,没有支持的群体。村庄在哪里? >> 是的。而且,显然,对不同的人来说,可用的帮助确实不同,而且显然,很多时候取决于你能负担多少。但它可以是另一个妈妈、朋友的帮助,嗯 >> 一个你信任的人,你对她说:“你能帮我带孩子两个小时,让我睡一觉吗?”你知道,也要善待自己。你不能,你不能什么都做,而且没关系。我发现早期寻求帮助真的很难。我感觉 >> 我想 [抽鼻子] 坚强,我想做到,我不想让别人和我一起带孩子。 [清嗓子] >> 好的。你认为这如何阻碍了你?因为我觉得 >> 这太累人了。 >> 我觉得很多女性都在评判其他女性寻求帮助。 >> 嗯。 >> 但有趣的是, >> 这是真的 >> 是我们评判女性的是付费帮助。无偿帮助完全没问题。是的。所以,我知道有些女性的祖父母每天都会帮忙, >> 有姑姑和叔叔会来,有姐妹和兄弟会非常积极地参与,而且没有任何评判。但一旦你可能没有一个支持性的家庭,或者说你的家人住在不同的国家,或者说你的家人离你很远 >> 然后你得到了付费帮助,突然之间你就变得很幸运,然后你做的任何事情都完全可以接受,因为你得到了帮助。你为什么认为女性在寻求帮助方面会受到如此多的评判?你为什么认为女性会如此紧张地寻求帮助?因为我觉得这有点像一个循环,不是吗?我们害怕寻求帮助,因为我们非常担心被评判,认为我们不够好,我们做得不够多,我们无法应对,我们想专注于其他事情,这就是为什么我们要寻求帮助。我们很自私。 >> 我认为这些都是原因。就像那些让我们感到内疚或羞耻的原因。比如很长一段时间,我觉得我不能公开说我付钱请人帮忙。但从我开始,我是自由职业者,从你知道的,我的两个孩子出生后六周或八周,我就在工作了。 >> 是的。 >> 我丈夫也在工作,所以如果没有帮助,你怎么能工作呢?我的父母不住在附近。 >> 是的。 >> 所以,你知道,这很困难,就像我的,我没有像家人那样近。 >> 是的。我意识到,通过不告诉别人我得到了帮助,但然后人们看着我的 Instagram,看到我和女儿们穿着漂亮的衣服,搭配得体的服装,做着所有这些事情。我说,这实际上是在传播一个危险的故事,人们会想,好吧,她是个新手妈妈,看,她居然能做到这一切,而且看起来如此得体。她是怎么做到的?然后这可能会让别人感到难过。所以,我开始公开谈论这件事,并说,是的,我确实得到了帮助,对吧?而且没关系。我仍然觉得我可能受到了一些攻击,但我想,我只是 >> 我只是要说,我只是要诚实。我认为人们越诚实,就越有帮助。但是,我们为什么要攻击那些得到帮助的女性呢?得到帮助是可以的。当然,你需要帮助。 >> 正是如此。每个人都说养育孩子需要一个村庄。 >> 但我们应该从哪里创造这个村庄呢? >> 我们,我们没有村庄。 >> 正是如此。而且,我觉得这有点可悲,因为我知道很多妈妈会隐藏她们得到了很多帮助的事实,她们有,你知道,每天有一、两个人来家里帮忙做饭、打扫、照顾孩子。而且她们不在网上分享。而在网上,她们分享的是一个截然不同的形象:我太忙了,我太累了,精神负担太重了,我没时间做任何事。我觉得这有点可悲,因为我觉得人们之所以害怕分享,是因为她们害怕被评判。 >> 是的。 >> 而且总是女性。我从未听过一个男人说:“我真不敢相信她请了保姆。”我这辈子都没听过。你听过吗? >> 不。 >> 如果你在家听,请告诉我们你是否听过一个男人说:“我真不敢相信她请了保姆。”这话总是出自女性之口。我觉得我们必须理解这一点。我明白。就像你说的,你看着那个女人,她是个很棒的舞者,你想:“我讨厌她。”如果你是一个在家里的女人,有三份工作, >> 当你真的在挣扎的时候, >> 你在努力维持生计,然后你看到,你知道,像你这样的人,她的女儿穿着搭配得体的衣服,还说:“是的,我有个保姆。”我明白为什么人们会有这种感觉。但同样,如果你看着某人,只盯着你没有的东西,你就没有把自己放在一个能够思考如何才能得到它的位置,对吧?我觉得我们所有人都不是 >> 我认为网上有一种说法,就是我们必须做的一切都必须是 relatable。 >> [抽鼻子] >> 我认为这是危险的。我认为,因为我们基本上是在说,我们都应该过完全一样的生活。有一个女孩做了一个规则,我会发给你,它叫做“豆汤理论”。它基本上是一个理论。 >> 你看过吗? >> 不。 >> 这是我们见过的最好的规则。她基本上说,我前几天在浏览时,有人上传了一碗豆汤。然后有人在下面说:“如果我对豆子过敏怎么办?”她说:“那你就别做这碗汤。” >> 就像我们不是在窒息。 >> 你不必,你不必参与我的内容。不要,不要关注我。静音我。随便。就是这样。如果你对豆子过敏,就别看豆汤的食谱。然后她说,你知道,有人刚宣布:“哦,天哪,我刚找到一份工作。”有人说:“好吧,我刚被裁员了。”她说: >> 没人关心。就是停止你的 >> 这是负面的,就像负面的输出。而且,我意识到我们正在做更多的“显化”,当你专注于你没有的东西时, >> 你正在显化更多。 >> 当然。 >> 你听过黑咖啡的比喻吗? >> 不。告诉我。好吧,我可能会弄错,但大概是这样的。好吧,一个女孩走进一家咖啡店,她说,咖啡师问:“你想要什么咖啡?”她说:“我想要,嗯,任何不是黑咖啡的。” >> 好的。 >> 但她没说她想要什么。然后咖啡师很困惑,她说:“好吧,她想要什么?”她说,她有没有说她想要黑咖啡,或者她最后给了她一杯黑咖啡,她说:“不,我说我想要任何不是黑咖啡的。”她说,但她只听到了黑咖啡。基本上是说,我不认为我把这个故事讲得很好。 >> 不,我明白了,我明白了。 >> 你关注的是什么,就像你生活中会带来更多东西的东西,就像你的能量会关注什么。是的。如果你说得更多。 >> 是的。 >> 对吧?那么你只会专注于这一点。而且,别人也会记住你。 >> 正是如此。你知道,如果你是一个总是抱怨的人,因为你宿醉,或者,比如说,你因为宿醉而易怒,而且你感觉很糟糕,那么每个人都会记住你那样,而那不是你想成为的人。 >> 就像书名《坏酒鬼》一样,我觉得给它起这个名字很大胆。你知道,说“嘿,我曾经是个坏酒鬼”可能会附带很多羞耻感。 >> 但直到我停止喝酒,我才觉得这是我可以摆脱的东西。就像我觉得我只会以那个人的身份被记住,你知道,那个坏酒鬼, >> 对吧? >> 而实际上,现在我,你知道,回想起来,我很高兴我现在不是那个人了,而且那不再是一个仍然适合我的标签。 >> 我真的很想和你谈谈那个,我一会儿还要谈谈羞耻感。我之所以想提起这个,是因为我经常觉得那些早期分享了很多生活的人, >> 人们总是记得他们是那样,他们总是说, >> 你知道,我从来没听过有人这样说你,顺便说一句,但我听过很多人说,你知道,你觉得他们现在真的那样吗?或者因为,你知道,我以前每天都看他们,你知道,最近有个人说,我认识她。我以前认识她,她从来不是这样的人。我总是觉得人是可以改变的。 >> 是的。好吧,十年前或二十年前的我,不是现在的我。 >> 我也不是。 >> 就像每个人都做了那个 2016 年的回归。 >> 是的。 >> 我当时想,我一点也不是那个女孩。我真的 >> 就像,我甚至认不出我来。 >> 但这就是自我发展,不是吗?去 >> 成长。就像, >> 当然你想改变、成长和进化。你不想停留在,我是说,你可能想保持你年轻时的样子, >> 但你不想停留在那个同一个人。 >> 但你如何摆脱那种羞耻感呢?因为,你知道,我敢肯定,当你回顾过去时,你还会看那些《切尔西制造》的剧集吗? >> 我,我很久没看了。我想我可能会感到一些羞耻,如果我看了它们,尤其是有一幕是酒被泼了。 [笑声] 我还记得那个场景。但你知道,如果你看了那个,并且感到羞耻感涌上心头,你学到了一些什么练习和工具呢?因为我认为克服像,你知道,喝酒这样的事情可能极其困难,而且你知道网上有很多信息。你知道,假设我正在克服毒瘾,但我知道,到处都知道我是一个总是吸毒的人。我的意思是,这并不完全一样,因为酒精更容易被接受,尽管我认为它有点像毒品。 >> 嗯。 >> 不,它就是一种毒品。 >> 它的羞耻感会让你从治愈中退缩。那么,你实际采取了哪些步骤,然后我们可以进入那些练习,现在 >> 羞耻感很难处理。我认为它确实是一种可以长期缠绕着我们的东西。 >> 羞耻感让你感到孤单。羞耻感让你感到孤立。羞耻感让你觉得都是你的错,而且你是有缺陷的。它就是一种可怕的感觉。我帮助处理我的羞耻感的方式,我想,很多是治疗, >> 嗯,但就像回去做很多内在小孩的工作,并对年轻的自己有很多的同情。而且,我,你知道,相信我们都有我们年轻时的不同版本,就像我们内在的孩子。 >> 我同意。 >> 我们需要进去和她们说话, >> 我们需要进去和她们沟通。当焦虑发作或不舒服的情绪发作时,可能是愤怒,可能是悲伤,可能是,你知道,任何困难的负面情绪 >> 我们需要将其视为一个信号,表明你需要检查一下 >> 你年轻的那个部分,你年轻的版本, >> 然后进去和她们谈谈,看看她们为什么不开心。而且,你知道,当我们被触发时,就是我们年轻的自己被过去让我们不开心的事情所触发。 >> 是的。 >> 所以,这就像是利用它作为一张地图,回去治愈那些你可能没有处理过、深埋的东西。这是一个过程。我不认为你突然就到了一个点,你会说:“我完成了。我完全治愈了。我做了所有工作。我 >> 我,我没事了。我准备好了。就像,我 >> 我认为这是一个终生的过程,你不断地学习和进化,也许只是剥洋葱。 >> 你觉得治疗中有哪个练习让你印象深刻吗? >> 对我来说,一个非常有力量的练习是回溯疗法。你做过吗? >> 不。 >> 这几乎就像被催眠,然后你被带回你的过去,也许是你想处理的一个特定的创伤事件,然后进入这种催眠状态。你被一个说话的人引导,你会回到那个事件, >> 好的? >> 然后和年轻的自己说话,就像你现在的自己,未来的自己,告诉她们你知道的,她们会没事的,甚至,你知道,安抚她们,拥抱她们,把她们带出也许发生创伤事件的地方。 >> 嗯,我觉得这非常有治愈作用。我有一个经历,我进去,然后就像带着我年轻的自己一起出去。 >> 哇。 >> 和我一起,你知道,经历了一次巨大的情感释放,很多眼泪,很多感觉像是被困在我身体里很多年了。这真的很有力量。还有,身体疗法,我一直在和一个很棒的治疗师合作,她做 >> 嗯,身体疗法,这基本上是身体释放工作。所以,我们会做呼吸练习,有时她会 >> 把手放在我的身体上,我就会真的颤抖、哭泣,这是一种释放身体里强烈情绪的方式。 >> 哇。你觉得你的童年是你不太表达情感的一个重要因素吗? >> 那么,你如何改变你和你的女儿们呢? >> 所以,她们知道自己的情绪是有效的。 >> 好的。无论是什么情绪,她们都可以表达。但也有界限,就是你可以,好吧,你可以尖叫,你可以大喊,你可以生气,那是有效的。你可以难过。但你不能打你的姐妹。你也不能去打碎家里的东西。你也不能去用记号笔在墙上乱涂乱画。因为,如果你那样做了,那么,好吧,我们将不得不暂时拿走电视。我们将不得不, [清嗓子] >> 所以,她们就是这样理解的。但首先,我从不说“别哭了”。我从不说“安静”。我从不说“回你房间去”。 >> 你从不说那些话。 >> 不。 >> 那些是别人对你说的吗? >> 我想是的,当时很正常,你知道,就像 30 年前,人们会说: >> 你知道,就像“只管看,别说话”或者,“你知道,做一个好女孩,别哭。”而且,你知道, >> 别惹麻烦。 >> 它们在那里。别惹麻烦。它们在那里,你知道,为什么你没事,波,但就是,你知道,随便。你知道,有很多不同的短语,我觉得我们 >> 随口就说出来。 >> 基本上就是说,它们在那里,做一个好女孩。去,你知道,去打扮漂亮点,或者去,你知道, >> 去 [抽鼻子] 在那边玩。 >> 去,就去吧。是的。做点什么,任何事。现在不要有这种反应。或者如果你有这种反应,好吧,就去另一个房间,关上门。 [笑声] >> 回你楼上的房间。 >> 是的。然后我去了寄宿学校,那里非常 >> 感觉不安全,无法表达我的情感。 >> 好的。而且我非常难过,非常难以离开家,但我的所有情感都被压抑了。然后我学会了压抑,是从 10 岁开始的。 >> 所以,现在和我的女儿们在一起,我非常重视让她们知道她们的情绪是有效的,她们的情绪是安全的。 >> 嗯,如果她们在发脾气,我不会离开她们。有时她们需要空间,我会说没关系,但我会在附近。 >> 好的。好的。 >> 而且我真的在努力教她们如何调节情绪,通过调节我自己的情绪。所以,我的小女儿,她每天早上都会因为穿衣服而有点崩溃。这其实不是关于穿衣服,而是它在这个时候发生。很快就会在醒来后发生,这很正常。好的。我只是待在房间里,我只是不对此做出反应。而且她真的很烦人。但每次她烦人的时候,我都会说:“好吧。” >> 我不惹她,我只是保持冷静。 >> 然后,实际上 >> 这真的很难,因为我内心在想:“这太 [ __ ] 烦人了。” >> 是的。我正想说,你怎么做到的? >> 我只能深呼吸,然后检查一下,然后提醒自己 >> 她过得很艰难。她过得很艰难。你就是她学习调节的方式。所以,就像 >> 哇 >> 一样,如果我反应了,我就是在教她。所以她们一直在看着你,吸收你所做的一切。 >> 而且,像有孩子非常敏感,有很大的反应。你能做的最好的事情就是保持冷静,就在那里,不要试图纠正。我认为父母们常常认为他们必须纠正行为,不想要的行为,坏的行为,但实际上不是把它看作坏行为。我读了一本叫做《没有所谓的淘气》的书。没有所谓的淘气。这是一本很棒的书。基本上解释了孩子大脑的工作方式,以及它们像未发育的杏仁核一样。 >> 当她们在发脾气时,你不能纠正行为,因为她们没有逻辑思考。 >> 所以你必须等到她们冷静下来,然后进行谈话,然后说:“好吧,亲爱的,看到你如此难过真的很难。我们来谈谈吧。发生了什么?你当时有什么感觉?”让她们说出名字。我认为在你身上做情绪调节工作,同时也理解如何教她们调节自己的情绪。就像,她们在学校现在做得比我年轻时多得多。就像教她们,你是在红色区域还是绿色区域?而且 >> Sienna 在过去六个月里一直和一位治疗师一起工作 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 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我尝试,我确实尝试着向他们隐瞒。显然,他们太小了,无法理解。但我觉得让他们理解的是,让他们看到妈妈在做一些深呼吸。>> 是的。>> 妈妈有点哭,然后想要拥抱,然后又没事了。>> 因为那是他们学会如何处理自己的情绪是没问题的。>> 是的。>> 而且他们可能不理解。好吧,妈妈,你为什么哭?有时候我也会说,哦,这只是喜悦的泪水。我只是需要一个拥抱,或者我有时会说,你知道,我只是需要哭一下,然后我就会感觉好多了。哭泣是有好处的。>> 是的。>> 所以,你实际上也可以通过在他们面前处理自己困难的情绪来做到这一点,比如坐在那里,只是做一些箱式呼吸,或者妈妈,你为什么这样做?好吧,我这样做是因为妈妈有一些强烈的情绪。妈妈实际上只是在努力平静下来,并且给它贴上标签,然后解释你是如何自我调节的,这样他们就能理解,他们也能开始自我调节。即使我的女儿们在我冥想时走进房间,我也只是让他们看到我冥想,他们有时会试图和我说话,但我只是说没关系,然后我[清嗓子]继续,就像他们在学习和看到一样,妈妈每天早上都会冥想,等他们长大一些,也许这会让他们更愿意这样做。前几天我正在做一些拍打疗法,我女儿走了进来,她就开始模仿我做的。>> 哇。>> 你可以教孩子们拍打疗法。这是帮助他们调节情绪的一个很棒的工具。我也会>> 嗯,在睡前对他们做一些技巧,比如我喜欢做这种压力按摩,我会在他们躺在床上时按压他们的身体,这真的有助于调节他们。>> 好的。>> 就像你做按摩时,按摩师会>> 安慰地按压>> 并按压,就像他们施加压力一样。就像你知道使用像加重毯子这样的东西,它真的能平静你的神经系统。[清嗓子]>> 所以,我对自己感到舒缓的事情,我也对我的孩子们做。所以,我经常待在他们的房间里,直到他们睡着,抚摸他们的头发,你知道,我会在他们身边直到他们睡着。有些人说也许你不应该这样做>> 但我认为任何能让他们感到平静的事情都有好处。>> 完全正确。我认为是因为你有着如此不同的经历。而且你知道你不需要回答这个问题,但你成长过程中,你是否经常看到人们通过饮酒来应对压力?所以,如果他们感到压力或沮丧,或者发生了什么事,你是否只是看到他们喝点什么?你可能不知道那是酒精。我认为你甚至可以从电视上的东西中了解到这一点。>> 是的,我见过太多了>> 因为你长大了,开始看电视。总是有酒精>> 或者香烟。>> 酒精或香烟,当有人在庆祝时。所以,无论他们是快乐的,还是有压力的,还是悲伤的,或者发生了什么不好的事情,或者发生了什么好事,他们都在喝酒,而且它被极大地美化了>> 要么是以一种鲁莽的方式,他们喝醉了,一切都出了点问题,但它有点酷,或者>> 是的。嗯,你知道他们只是在庆祝,就像香槟开瓶一样,一切看起来都很令人向往。>> 是的。>> 我们在这些>> 假设>> 假设和图像中长大,我们认为酒精是我们在想要庆祝时就有的东西,但同时也是在我们>> 经历困难的事情时支持我们的东西,酒精会是我们求助的东西。但实际上很有趣的是,因为你从视觉上学到了很多,你对如何教你的孩子非常谨慎。而且我认为,即使你不是一个在喝酒时感觉糟糕的人,我并不是说每个人都应该戒酒,顺便说一句。>> 完全。那不是我的意思。>> 不,我我感觉你说的很有趣,因为孩子们从你那里学到很多。所以,即使你每周可以做一次,只是向他们展示,嘿,我这样做是为了放松,或者,你知道,我出去散步是因为我感到有点不知所措,你永远不知道它可能对他们产生的积极影响,让他们效仿,你知道,我认为这真的很强大。如果你的孩子看到你经常在压力大、悲伤时喝酒,那是在教他们什么?>> 是的。>> 是的。向他们展示如何自我安慰。>> 是的。你从未饮酒,发生在你身上最好的事情是什么?>> 我会说,能够开始爱自己,了解自己,>> 对吧,>> 是最好的事情,因为我感觉我真的能够开始成为我真正想成为的女人。>> 这是一个真正具有变革性的过程。>> 就像我几乎不得不>> 烧毁旧的我。>> 是的。重新开始>> 然后弄清楚,好吧,我是谁?>> 我喜欢什么?没有酒精的我,我是谁?一开始感觉真的很可怕。>> 是的。>> 就像,我喜欢什么?好吧,也许我实际上并不是一个自信的外向者。实际上,我是一个非常敏感的内向者,有注意力缺陷多动障碍,很容易过度刺激,实际上喜欢小型聚会,早睡,和我的狗在一起,你知道,就像和我的孩子们一起傻笑,但实际上不是那个狂野的派对女孩。>> 是的。>> 真正了解自己,我们生命中最重要的人际关系是我们与自己的关系。当我喝酒时,我一点也不喜欢自己。>> 我背负着所有的羞耻感。我恨我自己。是的。而且我现在仍在努力。就像它不完美一样,>> 但真正了解自己,与自己相处融洽,享受自己的陪伴,享受独处。>> 是的。>> 而且实际上已经到了一个地步,独处时的想法不再是折磨。实际上是美好的。>> 是的。>> 我认为这是最大的礼物。我非常理解你,因为我也觉得,你知道,对我来说,当我年轻的时候,我过去出去聚会,我过去,我过去知道我并不享受它。但我这样做是因为我真的不知道还能做什么。>> 而且我也认为如果其他人都这样做,那么我不想一个人在家。>> 我记得我曾处于一段非常糟糕的关系中,我说,“好吧,他要出去,所以我也应该出去,否则我就是个失败者,我没有朋友,我太无聊了,我待在家里。”我记得我讨厌这样做。但你却一直这样做。>> 我记得我年轻的时候,我总是说,我必须出去。>> 是的。>> 因为否则,现在我却说,不,我什么都愿意做,而不是出去。我完全相反。我庆祝待在家里。>> 我庆祝有人取消计划。>> 是的。>> 有趣的是,我我也同意你的看法,关于当你开始爱自己,同时也尊重自己,>> 你周围的一切都会改变,因为你不再为别人的认可而做事。当你开始选择自己时,这是一个强大的转变。是的。>> 当你选择自己时,>> 其他事情就开始调整。你开始吸引>> 完全正确>> 不同的事物,因为你>> 你更看重自己,你选择自己,你就像你说的尊重。尊重和自爱。我认为尊重也很重要。突然间,你就可以成为一个真正有磁力的人,吸引你渴望的东西。>> 是的。>> 我现在对未来感到非常兴奋。是的,这将会是惊人的。我真的很喜欢这次谈话。我知道我们一开始是关于这本书的,但我认为关于母性的话题也非常重要,因为很多人都卡在中间,你知道,不知道他们生命中的那一部分将如何影响他们的未来。我认为你所做的就是展示它不必如此,它可以改变。而且它不一定是一条线性的旅程。而且你知道,有些人仍然会把你当作过去的你,而你必须知道你是谁,而且这并不重要。>> 抛开别人对你的看法。>> 这对快乐来说是至关重要的。>> 是的。同意。>> 而且只是为了内心的平静,你知道,如果你坐在那里,只是担心每个人可能会对你说什么,你只会永远痛苦。>> 是的。我actually认为别人的想法与我无关。>> 是的。实际上,这与我无关。>> 这不是我的事。而且非常像梅尔·罗宾斯。但只是让他们>> 让他们>> 让他们>> 让他们。好吧,我要去跳舞了,让我跳舞。但我不知道。>> 是的,我们要下去了。>> 我不知道。即使是这个想法也让我感到害怕。>> 好的,我会给你发一个在线链接,这样你就可以看到,但我保证它有点黑暗,你只需要站在角落里。>> 只要你站在另一头,这样你就不会看着我。[笑声]我会背对着你。>> 非常感谢你来。>> 哦,谢谢你邀请我。>> [音乐]