In Meditation Withdraw Your Attention To Your Own Self | Ishwar Puri

welcome friends to the second day of hot

seated program here in Calgary I am very

happy to see all of you again here

yesterday I mentioned to you that the

way to our true home lies within us if

we have to do anything to discover it it

has to be within us

therefore meditation is the technique

it's a method meditation is to meditate

upon what is within we all meditate all

the time but we meditate upon outside

things to meditate upon a thing is to

think about the thing you are constantly

thinking of outside things and

meditation for spiritual benefit means

meditating upon your own inner self that

is why it's important to know where is

our inner self I mentioned yesterday

that you could confine it to a small

area on the top of your body in the head

that narrows down the field of going

within field of discovery very little to

a very small area but within that we

have to be there with something called

our attention if our attention is

scattered outside it takes time to go

with it so that is why it's so important

to have a lifestyle where we begin to

think of it all the time and not scatter

our attention outside the more scattered

our attention outside will be the more

difficult it will be to put attention

inside so this requirement that we have

to withdraw our attention from things

outside to put them inside our head is

what takes time otherwise if you had a

full control over where your attention

is and is not scattered this is your

control you could step in in 1

nanosecond at any time and moreover if

you

this over time how do we draw your

attention inside and become less and

less attached to things outside you

still be able to go within in a

nanosecond you are out you are in is as

simple as that

but till we reach that stage we have to

keep on practicing till we become

perfect in the drawing our attention one

of the big difficulties we have found in

with drawing attention is that we think

with drawing attention is the same thing

as focusing attention there is a big

difference between the two we are so

used to focusing attention on something

that we don't know what withdrawal of

attention is when you focus your

attention on anything the thing that

you're focusing attention becomes

separate from you here we are trying to

remove the separation withdrawal of

attention is to come back to where

you're focusing attention from not that

we have found a new place to focus

attention in a mistake that people have

been making 3040 years of meditation I

meet them as they tell me that's what we

have been trying to do we close our eyes

we imagine we are sitting right in front

here and we focus on that that's no good

you are not focusing on yourself you are

still creating another object and

focusing on that if you are doing that

my simple suggestion is look at who is

focusing on that that's what needs to be

focused on that's the self the self is

the one that focusing on it but since

all our life we have been taught how to

focus our attention on things it looks

very strange that we have to be draw

attention to our own self and that's

where the catch is for a long time

unless somebody can explain to you that

you are not doing the right thing you

could be doing it forever

without any results but when you want to

pull your attention back and think where

are you that's focusing attention on

something in front then you pull your

attention and begin to think of where

you are then you have a drawing

attention to

this is very important and I'm

mentioning it because I meet lots of

friends who have been accepted initiated

by many masters and they are all sitting

for years doing this thing almost making

it like another religious ritual you go

to church they go to satsang you go to a

temple they go to sell some and you will

focus your attention on the Gurukul sub

on the Bible on the bhagavad-gita

whatever scriptures you have in hand you

would put your attention there and you

think something is going on it's all

outside you are putting yourself more

outside every time you do that so true

meditation to take you inside is when

you will draw your attention to your own

self and when I mentioned yesterday

there is a music there is a melody there

is a sound coming from the self is

coming from the self that is which is

looking at things which is we're drawing

which is to good attention that will be

drawn that is why when you start putting

your attention on your own self inside

the sound becomes loud and can polio

because it is coming from your own self

it's not coming from outside at all he's

coming from your core from right-hand

side so the sound principle that source

of the yoga yoga putting attention on

the sound to have union with your true

self only happens then you are pouring

attention to your own self which is

observing things you have to go to the

observer not to what is being observed

this is very important I promise that we

will do meditation today before we do

meditation I would like to take you

through two simple exercises and then we

will meditate the exercise is designed

to tell us how to know that we have to

focus our attention inside it's just a

means of experimenting how attention can

move where we like and the two

experiments will be the first one will

be the orange juice experiment how many

have you already done it how many have

never done it okay plenty of you cover

the old who those who have done it can

also try it again

it's helpful in meditation this

experiment will be helpful later on that

attention is so flexible that you can

put it wherever you like and this is the

key to good meditation later this was a

demonstration how the two things

imagination and attention are in your

control and you can operate them as you

like the very key to element that will

be required in meditation

now we'll do another exercise in this

exercise you will close your eyes and

imagine that you are sitting in the

middle of your head that your head is

like a living room and you are sitting

in the middle in a chair any chair you

can imagine a chair you can sit on the

middle and you will imagine that next to

you is a little table table like this in

next to you a little table and on the

table there is a drink and a cup in a

glass like this there is a bunch of

flowers not exactly these but of your

choice your imagination and there is a

little plate a saucer containing some

snack of your favorite snack you imagine

these three things that there is a table

next to your chair where you are sitting

and on the chairs on the table there is

a snack to taste is a drink and there

are flowers so after you imagine that I

will give you instructions what to do

next how many of you were able to see

the flowers how many of you saw the

flowers change colors when you are

watching how many of you thought the

flowers were different from any flower

you have seen how many of you could

smell the flowers how many of you could

recall the smell that you had how many

of thought it was new how many of you

could taste the drink how many of you

remembered when you had it how many of

you felt it was new

how many of you could taste the snack

how many of you could recognize it how

many of you fed it was new how many of

you still have the taste of the snack in

your mouth can you imagine in this

exercise we covered all five cells

perceptions

there was no drink no flowers imaginary

things but you were able to use your

cells perceptions you could see you

could touch you could taste

you could smell you could do all the

things that you do with your sense

perceptions with none of these objects

present imagination was employed to

create the things but the sense

perceptions were not imaginary there

were your sense perceptions you perceive

that with your senses what was the

object of this exercise to tell you

sense perceptions are not confined to

the physical body at all that they exist

independently and when you will withdraw

your attention to your own self sense

perceptions will be heightened some of

you say you saw new things you saw

flowers changing colors they don't

change colors when you see them here how

come they change colors while you are

watching them because they were not

physical flowers they were flowers of an

imaginative state an imaginative state

that pulls the imagination from the

astral plane the higher plane of

consciousness when you will withdraw

your attention and become unaware of

your physical body all these senses will

be very heightened and that's exactly

what your astral body is is composed of

the ability to use sense perceptions

along with your mind

and your consciousness this experiment

reveals a lot to us so when we go there

inside the headed Third Eye Center the

idea is you'll fight all the senses are

completely intact and they work very

well they work better than they work

here you would have these experiences

to raise your level of consciousness to

higher awakening gives you more and more

ability to experience these these words

have been created for experience this

physical world is a world of experience

so is the astral world so in the causal

world all these three worlds are created

for experience now let us do meditation

what is the method very simple first

step go back to where you sat on the

chair

this time it may look a little more

difficult whatever matters

try close your eyes imagine you're in

the head in the center and steding on

the chair or on the floor how many of

you could sit in the centre of your head

how many of you are difficulty in doing

that there are more practice is required

practice for a few of you that you

couldn't do it will practice again how

many of you sat there without thinking

of things outside how many of you still

kept on thinking of things outside

that's the main distraction that we keep

thinking of other things this requires

practice to be able to concentrate your

attention only on what is happening

inside where you are and around you how

many of you felt that you are there in

the center and not that you are seeing

somebody in the center it's very good

that's requirement important you should

feel you are there how many of you could

stand up when I said stand up how many

you could stand and sit down very good

this this is wonderful group very

interesting that you can do these things

you would be very successful in your

meditation to go within this was an

exercise in sitting in the right place

at what is called the Third Eye Center

why is it called third eye because we're

still seeing

but we are seeing without device so

naturally we can call it third eye there

is it another way of explaining it when

we see physically with these eyes both

the eyes are seeing two different

pictures they combine to create this

serious copic effect of distance you

know you go to 3d movies they give you

glasses which make the flat things come

in - in front of you it is because when

you wear those glasses in the 3d movie

that the glasses are seeing two

different pictures and on the screen two

different pictures have been taken and

put together so with those glasses you

see one with one eye one with the other

and then you and you merge them it looks

like and become three-dimensional and

things come close to you

even without the glasses we are doing

the same thing now these two eyes are

not seeing the same thing they are

seeing two different pictures and then

we merge them and in a distance - in

this effect of distance we are able to

see as if it is one picture the right

eye does not see the one picture left

eye does not see the one picture that

which I see is the one picture it is

part of a process of seeing which is not

in the eyes at all it's a process of

seeing in our consciousness in our brain

that combines the two images and sees

one

even now physically and if you want to

figure out where exactly am i seeing

from when I look out am i seeing from

the right eye of the left eye no neither

right nor left - where am i saying from

you are seeing from a combination of the

two which goes behind the eyes exactly

to the point which we described as a

Third Eye Center so that is all I said

we are using it all the time every day

without knowing it we just see things

outside we don't know where we see from

then you will discover where you see

from that itself is the third I said so

that's why it's called the real center

of viewing both outside and inside it

will be that place where you

establish yourself and you can pull your

attention in by continuously meditating

upon that point and not thinking of

other things so this Third Eye Center is

not very difficult to know where it is

you are looking from that point he will

now even the physical eyes it's a

combination of the two pictures that's

creating distance supposing we had only

one eye they say they were some people

living with only one eye in the center

they had no sense of distance at all

they couldn't see what was far what was

near and they had a big problem because

of that so we are lucky we have two eyes

so because he created world of distances

void of depth and we are lucky to have

two ears why do we have two ears you

could have one year in the center of our

head we could hear you can hear

everything but we would never know for

which direction we are hearing the

direction is only established by two

years so the way this body has been

constructed that you are able to create

depth of vision this direction of

listening hearing and it is creates a

real world around us it's a much deeper

study if you want to some time go into

the deep study how the world is being

created even with the system they are

using in our body down right now only

the things are being created so

realistically so look so real

that we assume that's real and we are

merely experiencing it and the fact that

we are creating and experiencing is lost

to us but with meditation you will find

out that how you create and how you

experience at the same time this is

possible because of where you sit now so

many of you said that while you were

doing this exercise and although I said

don't think of anything else you are

still thinking about where things what

is the solution to that mystics have

found a solution meditators are from the

solution to that the solution is that

instead of allowing the mind to think of

other things put artificial thoughts of

your

choosing so that you don't give the

chance to remind to think of outside

things how do you put artificial thought

by repeating words because the mind is

also repeating words and thought so you

now put artificial words and we want to

give them a certain sanctity because

able to lead you to inner spiritual

experience so we call them holy words

mantra Simran what's the purpose of

repetition of those words the purpose is

not that God is going to listen to those

words but we will prevent our own mind

from thinking of other things we will

squeeze the words of thought by pouring

into the same channel in words given to

us by somebody whom we respect why can't

we choose our own words we can if I was

given a choice choose one word which you

like the best and repeat that I will

like Shakey's Pizza and I can repeat

Shakey's Pizza Shakey's Pizza I'll never

go in I'll be out all the time most of

the words we choose are all related to

things outside by repeating them you

don't withdraw at all you are just

thinking of the same things outside when

another person gives us words and

understandable to us we don't even know

what they mean what is it mean anything

they are related to an inner experience

we call it a mantra we call it holy

words and they become really important

for us because when we repeat them we

are really repeating words that were not

related to an outside experience but

they are giving us a chance to prevent

thoughts from coming in this process is

called the repetition of mantra or

repetition of words or similar as I say

to simmer on the word that meant to

'cimmanon of words this is this is a

good way to prevent the words of thought

coming into us and they are replaced by

the words we have chosen artificially

and we repeat them you can try that now

how many of you have words already given

by some person other than your own self

which you can repeat please use those

words how many of you have no words

at this time you create your own

temporary mantra today of a short short

phrase which refers to what you want to

see inside through your love and

devotion or if you love somebody now is

a spiritual thing if you love somebody

think of that person and call upon that

person with a short phrase and express

your dog temporary mantra for today so

those who don't have you can create the

short one now and use it for others who

already have something repeat now I want

to caution you before doing this

repeating with the tongue is easy

repeating with the mind is very

difficult you have to replace your

thoughts with those words not repeat

them in addition to what you are

thinking that won't work so you have to

stop thinking in the bizarre natural way

of thought and put these artificial

words into your thought stream just keep

on thinking of them then they'll work if

you don't make them your thought process

then they will merely be another

repetition of words artificially made in

addition to your thought which will

still take you out try your best and

let's do it close your eyes go back to

the Third Eye Center behind the ends you

can sit on the floor on a pillow you can

sit on a chair whatever is comfortable

and make it a nice place how many of you

could successfully do this a good how

many of you felt it was all dark around

you how many of you felt there was light

around you how many of felt that you

could hear some of the sounds beside

your own how many of you could see hear

sounds which are all around you very

good I'm glad the knee of you did it

very successfully and very short attempt

if you are able to hold it this was

sampling I can't do more than sampling

in this but if you hold it for a

reasonable time and an hour hour and a

half two hours two and a half hours

possible you will get so many

experiences just by this single exercise

and you will be able to see so much when

you don't think of anything else only

here you will hear sounds loud enough

emanating from your own self not coming

from anywhere on the side they look like

all over but they're coming from within

you then you will hear see light it will

gets highlighted so bright that you will

never have seen that brightness outside

what is inside just with this simple

exercise that we just did it will hold

on to that when the sound appears you

can hold on to the sound now in this

particular case how many of you have a

master a mentor a guru who has given you

the mantra and under whose instructions

you are following meditation now we have

to do something which is very important

to get higher achievement and higher

higher levels of experiences the word

experience is not too good our levels of

states of consciousness that you can go

into and that requires the love and

devotion in your meditation this was

mechanical what we did now anybody can

do mechanically and still have

experiences but this is all mental it is

all imaginary created by the mind these

are mental activities that we are doing

but to go to pure spiritual regions we

have to pass through some of the mental

regions but then we cross it but to

cross the mental regions you will

require to be pulled by the love of your

beloved master guru mentor who

has given you something and made you a

devotee of that person that that makes

it easy if you have such a thing

if you don't is more difficult much more

difficult very often you can only stick

at the mental level after that but if

you want to go beyond that love and

devotion for a being is being who lives

living like ourselves is not only

necessary it's very useful it helps a

lot so Sam so many of you have that so

now we'll do meditation with love and

devotion and not merely a mechanical

exercise which we did so far now in

torsion means that when you sit in the

center you invite your beloved to sit

with you and while you are doing the

exercise stop from time to time have a

conversation have a little conversation

then get back to that and if necessary

make your beloved master do the

repetition of the word with you together

and I tell you something it is in secret

if you practice that way later on you

will find that the master will do all

the meditation for you you just watch

and just get the gains of all the

experiences it's a good exercise but

this requires a feeling of love and

devotion let's try now this time when

you close your eyes go back and again do

the same repetition of words and listen

to them in the middle in the white you

preserve it to come if you don't have a

master anymore anyone you love any

beloved of yours whom you love call that

person to you and have a chat

conversation enjoyable meditation I be

encouraged having a cup of tea or a cup

of coffee with them inside it's an

experience generated to keep your

attention within and not allow it to go

out all the things should happen right

inside that is a chamber and this

chamber that you create is your real

meditation

chamber I go to my friends houses they

say we have a very special chair for

meditation they show me the chair and I

look at so beautiful the chair I said if

you sit on this chair and do meditation

you will meditate only on the chair and

nothing else because the chair is your

special thing so naturally you are

attracted to the stair you are

constantly conscious of the chair how

would you go inside here some people

have little bats some people have made

their own rooms this is our spiritual

meditation room and when they sit there

the very patient room remains with them

all the time there is only one room

which is the right meditation room

that's our own head there's only one

chair that will be good chair that you

create inside only one matter one pillow

or one cushion that you create here is a

good one all others will take you out so

create the whole thing here I even

suggest further that when you go to your

meditation chamber on the 6th floor of

this house decorate it if you see on the

sides is blank put some nice grapes and

curtains put some nice carpet at the 6th

level make it a very nice place so you

love to go there every day if necessary

all the time that you are there sitting

and head conscious of the fact you are

there your meditation will improve so

rapidly the full idea is not to go out

or to stay inside

now in that well-decorated place go back

there you can invite on a chair in front

of you your beloved to come and sit and

chat and the repetition should go on so

that you stay inside and the experience

remains inside you can pause in the

middle have a conversation and get back

to that and then both could can do

meditation with your feeling of love and

devotion express your love and devotion

Express is the best way you can the

great opportunity to have a great loving

conversation with your beloved ok close

your eyes go back there

and have a wonderful experience of

repeating words if any sounds come

listen to the sounds and he lights come

just let them roam around the lights

should be roaming around you don't

follow it don't follow any experience

stay in the center more experience will

come invite your beloved have a chat and

enjoy yourself in this short session of

meditation how many of you could do this

successfully how many of you enjoyed

this session I'm happy that meditation

become enjoyable normally people think

it's a it's a chore so difficult but if

you bring your beloved in it becomes

enjoyable and that's why it's good

meditation how many of you could feel

that it was lighted around you it was

light around you good how many if you

could hear sounds around you very good

the all of you will be able to have

these experiences in practice it

requires practice when I say it's simple

it is simple the process is very simple

but not easy it's not easy because we

made it difficult with the huge baggage

we are carrying of our attachments and

our guilt of the past we move again back

and back to the events that happened

earlier and you start living in the past

and a pulled back or you're carrying

attachment from the past and they pull

us back they bring pull us out of our

meditation with practice you will be

able to stay longer and longer here and

you will be able to have lights and

sounds and opening up when you are doing

this how many of you why doing this did

not remember where your feet and hands

were so many you didn't even think of

them in course of time you won't even

know where your arms and legs are you

won't even know where your body is it

will proceed from the extremities and

awareness start from extremities and

goes on ultimately you feel you are only

here

n by tomorrow you should be ready if you

practice this tonight a little more

tomorrow if you want to fly into the

Aster sky you'll be able to do it how

many of you would like to fly in the

eastern sky if you do homework tonight a

bar you'll fly I have another session

with you and tomorrow you'll fly so I am

glad that you had a small simple

sampling of what we do what we call

meditation to discover who we are if you

can fully discover who you are fully

discover that you are not the body that

you are not even the sense perceptions

that you're not even thinking mind that

you are the power that makes these alive

if you can find that if you can find

your soul I tell you next step to find

God will be the simplest step the

Creator can be found when you find

yourself if you can find your own self

you find your own creator because the

Creator is not only inside you you and

the Creator a participating together in

the old show there is no difference that

can be found at that time how the

individualization of totality of

consciousness takes place can be

experienced by us while we are the human

body I sometimes really marvel how it is

possible that we are so far removed we

have removed ourselves with so many

different covers upon our sense that we

have taken a reality created as the

physical material level as the only

reality and then we are talking of

something that is real at different

levels ultimately the whole thing is

happening right at a point which is

inside this body here it's amazing that

it should be so close to us and that the

what we call love is such a powerful

thing it can pull without our effort it

said it pulls for strongly even if you

want to pull away it still pulls us it's

such a powerful thing that you meet a

perfect living master and recognize who

is it takes time to recognize

it takes meditation to recognize text

time could know who he is otherwise he's

like us very bored learn it maybe he

knows more words maybe he read board

books you don't need to read any books

to be a perfect living master nor do you

need to read any books to find your own

self these are natural ability is given

to us sitting inside us and all all of

us have that but only when the time is

right time is right means which we put

it predetermined before every ever came

here it when I've had this experience

enough don't want to have anymore and

tired of it that becomes the right time

at that time that ordinary person comes

across your life you feel touched by

something there's something unusual what

is unusual you can't figure out

eventually you find is some kind of a

strange kind of pull in love that we

haven't had normally as you associate

more and more you discovers is not what

it looks like there's more in it

eventually you find he is everything

that you desire and that he can become

your best friend with unconditional love

and friendship a human being not

somebody in your thoughts

not somebody imagined by you but a

living human being and we'd love to have

a living human being to be our friend

we don't want to make friends with

spirits and ghosts we don't want to make

friends with unknown people we don't

want to make friends with people we

can't even see friendship is within

human beings and a friendship that is so

strong that we can share anything and

everything is that you will be it is so

such a strange experience that we can't

share some things of our life with

anybody and the very first time we meet

such a person there's such a stage

inspiration you willing to share

everything on the very first greeting

something very different yet it's a lot

very human being just like ourselves so

that is why

over time we discover who that friend is

and when we meditate we find the friend

was not operating from outside he was

becoming ordinary for our sake and he

was a friend inside and he knows the

entire route to our true home

he knows need third way that we have to

take and we go holding his hand together

when that happens this very exercise

that you are doing if you can hold your

attention there the light will lighten

up more in the light you will see the

image the face the form of your same

same human beings and guiding your home

outside will be guiding you from inside

and we call it the radiant form of the

master when the radiant form appears it

will sometimes appear sometimes both a

knot that is trying to go away our

attention controlled it's all a question

of holding attention then we can hold

our attention there that Fred will be

with us 24/7 all the time and will never

leave even if he physically dies outside

he will still be there with us forever

now when I say forever I mean really

forever not forever for this lifetime

but forever afterwards till we reach our

true home be with us I cannot possibly

compare any friendship with that kind of

friendship that's always there 24/7

nobody can ever be lonely again after

that experience is not possible so such

a good companion all the time with you

and we share everything you fly together

you explore things together you explore

the world together you explore inner

worlds together and nothing like it and

that's the possibility the promise of

true meditation under the guidance of a

perfect air a master a perfect living

master carries with him at all times

whether we see inside or outside he

carries with him the awareness of all

these levels we are talking about

including the level of totality of

consciousness this is only one aware of

that

is the awareness that makes him

different nothing else in every other

way is the same as us except his

awareness is total and so when he talks

to us he talks for where we are he may

talk to a child he'll be like a child he

talks to a person who was not very

intellectual he'll talk straight about

the things you also know he talks too

intellectual he gets him to intellectual

debates and discussion as if he is also

an intellectual this ability of the

ordinary human being to play different

roles according to the seeker for whom

he has come is an amazing and if you are

close enough to watch such a person

you'll be amazed at the difference acts

again where different places different

gap see where the difference of gauges

with different people because this is

only possible when that person knows

each one of us that other we know

ourselves and that's exactly what the

relationship is so it's a very rare

experience to meet such a person very

rare experience we have so many masters

gurus so many people Yogi's Swami's all

over the world my master used to say we

have reached the stage when there are

more gurus then tell us there more

master than disciples will read that

stage disciples running around making

money carrying out the business of

mastership a perfect living master the

one I'm defining never charges anything

for his service on the spiritual front

that the first thing I would rule out if

somebody says give me this money and

they'll give you enlightenment I

wouldn't have to go follow this this is

he has come to kill got to take he

survived in the world like we survive he

works he earns he does his own jobs like

we do he is exactly like we do

never charges for his for his services

he made

he may help in collecting funds for

holding meetings he may help in

collecting funds for other logistical

events that we need for understanding

and following this path but the thing

for himself or for the people he can do

anything even go around begging for the

people but not for himself he never

charged secondly his love and friendship

is unconditional he will never say you

do this then only I will do this for you

never we go before him as sinners we

have conscious we will come to know he

knows who we are we go before him

sometimes ashamed that he knows what

life we are leading and we are not

reading the right life we know we are

not following instruction even we know

we are failing in everything and we go

in front of him and we know he is seeing

everything that we are feeling yet he

loves us how come he ignores all our

weaknesses he ignores our weaknesses

because you know those weaknesses are

coming from our trap in which we are the

karmic tap the trap of time and space

that's creating those weaknesses he sees

that because he is able to see from a

different point of view and that is why

his love and compassion never ends no

matter what so this is a very strange

experience that you won't have it too

many people around the world so that is

why they become very distinct he does

not have to perform any magical miracles

in front of you he will perform plenty

of private miracles so many things will

happen your life this is a miracle I

know my master is doing it you'll feel

it then you will tell somebody else I

saw a miracle oh that was just a

coincidence so he will rule out anything

that makes him so extraordinary

externally internally he'll be very

extraordinary

he will never say I am a master if he

says so he had not even overcome his own

ego and why should he say that his job

is not to proclaim who is his job is to

take us back he's totally different so

he never says no perfectly Mei has never

said on the other hand they have called

themselves the servant of masters its

servant of the people

the Sandoz they've never called

themselves those masters so you can rule

out so many people who come into your

life and there's so many of them but

such people who because perfect living

masters are extremely rare and yet for a

seeker of the true home they are not

rare they are bound to come into their

life then you are seeking in your inner

self not in your mind not in the

situation you are in the world but

you're not seeking give me better help

give me more money give me a better job

solve a problem solve a problem of

relationship solve a problem the medical

states solve a problem with children

when you say that lots of masters can

help you perfect living master does not

come for that though he may help you in

that too he comes to take you back home

here because you are ready for it and

you want it that's your art that's your

ultimate desire and he comes to fulfill

your ultimate desire so that's why it's

such a difference between such a person

and so many other masters that we see

around us who trying to help in

different ways somebody wrote to me I am

going to give you three gifts today in

my head if you are a master tell me what

they are

I said I'm sorry I have got a psychic or

a psychic I got guess these things can

be done by people remind reason I'll

make mind reason who could read my mind

I could read their mind I was so simple

so but whatever you are given I will

appreciate what you give now tell me

what you gave so people say we can go

and test the master they go and test

they try to test the master by these

means and a friend of mine said I am

going to test a master who you say is a

perfect living master and I'll go and

see him and see if he's really a

perfectly master he went he came back

and said he's not a perfect living

master I tested about how did you test

him I went that's why he's reading a

newspaper a man who has to read the

newspaper to know the news of the world

how can do anything else failed

later on he found that he is reading the

newspapers like an ordinary person but

he does not need to read newspapers to

get news but it needs to read the

newspaper to me like us it takes time to

know these things and it takes so much

time but the friendship that we can get

ultimately over power even on doubting

mind that's another beauty of it our

human mind is designed to create doubts

it's not unnatural people say oh I've

always having doubts you're naturally

the mind is supposed to create doubts

for our protection so that we don't

become so vulnerable to anything anybody

saying and we believe it then we'll be

going from one place to another all the

time and getting nothing really if you

believe everybody that will come across

so the mind creates doubt so that we can

test it out but not test it out to such

an extent as we spend your life in

testing it out there also happens and

did I tell you the story of the man

who fell into a well in India there

Wells in villages it is no parapet all

around them so there's level with the

ground so in the dark one man probably a

professor from a university the lecture

guy he was walking in that village and

he fell into the well fortunately for

him the well was not very deep so the

water was only up to certain level so he

could survive he get to moan and groan

how did I fall into the well and

somebody heard his sound

he's groaning and he came to help him

the villagers came with the given I'm

sorry you fallen I bring a rope and gets

you out he says stop before you bring

the Rope first explained to me how I

fell in the well secondly tell me what

guarantee is there that you will bring a

rope thirdly tell me if you bring a rope

and you load it to me how do I know when

you have pulled me halfway up you won't

drop me again answer all my questions

then go and bring the rope he said

whoever you are please come out I'll

pull you by your rope and all these

things you are asking we can discuss

discuss afterwards no I won't let you go

unless you first explain everything to

me

the man said if this is the kind of guy

you are okay stay where you are

we sometime of course it's a good thing

to be skeptical and to overcome your

skepticism with some proof living proof

of your own life it's understandable but

to be say I am a skeptic I am always

going to be skeptic and guy skeptic what

do you get out of it a certain point in

investigation when you investigate and

say I have reasonable feeling that I can

take one step if the first step is not

successful I won't go to the second one

step I can take a first step is

successful I am willing to take the

second step as your faith grows with

your experience that's a very legitimate

good faith but if you're just believing

somebody what he says apply

the spiritual practice I am talking of

is based entirely on living faith

growing faith not a right faith most

religions are surviving on blind faith

somebody said something you believe it

and live your life accordingly this is

not a religion you can be belong to any

religion and still practice this this is

a discovery of your own real self of the

discovery of the totality of

consciousness of the discovery of the

Creator and the creative power when you

do this you find the religion spoke

exactly of this every religion but when

you want to follow a religion they say

this is it somebody has said this now

follow and do this ritual do these

ceremonies which are different for

different religions

what makes religion is different the

ceremonies and the rituals that they

perform not the basic message that this

is our living temple this is our bodies

or temple god lives inside you deep

inside find him there one of them say

the same thing

the founders has the same thing if

followers of religion are not saying the

same thing

they are taking a Soumitra to the

external which was antifreeze

differentiating there and therefore we

become separated if I can find that

particular little story of a man was

going to fall from the bridge another

man stopped him and held it back why are

you doing is it nobody loves me

therefore I going to fall he said no no

God loves you and there the conversation

starts and he says what religion do you

have I am a Christian okay are you a

Protestant or a Catholic and Protestant

okay are you Baptist or Methodist or

this they go on discussing you have this

order of that year of this order and I

am also like that up to the end they are

happy at the end in one denomination

they are different so this I pushed him

down you heretic order

I mean every religion you see we are

worshipping the same God in the same

religion and killing each other in Islam

Allah is one one mother is one the

Prophet is one but she has a Sunnis will

kill each other both following the same

prophet and same board human beings

Christianity took it what is happening

the number of denominations it goes on

endlessly more and more for the

divisions a man brought a book to me he

said this is a real Bible

I said why he says I have taken extracts

from 14 different Bibles as I didn't

know they're 14 Bible yes

somebody told me the American Bible is

the best Bible what is the American

Bible I thought there's only one by good

know the American Bible is the one that

we read now oh why saw it I said do you

know who finalized the text of this

Bible King of England King James 14th

worship it was changed again and again

is the seventh century in the ecumenical

conference they struck out whole Gospels

out of it and put new ones

Manuel think and if you want to see it

see the zeal definition of what it is

they think that's a real word of God man

change the Word of God again and again

according to their own convenience in

this Bible I am struck by the words of

John's Gospel opening verses of the

Bible John's versus he says in the

beginning was the word and the Word was

with God and word was caught word W

capital he's saying that God and words

were one and he puts word even ahead of

God he doesn't say in the beginning was

God or the Edward he says in the

beginning of

the word and word was with god and god

was word these are the opening sentences

of John's Gospel in the Bible I go to a

church and we are reading that go to

midnight mass on Christmas Eve and the

minister reads this every time and I

love it because I've also read the Gita

the Rigveda written of course much

earlier and the Bible read whether says

in the beginning was a nod the sound the

sound was the creator and the sound

created everything all was a translation

of John's Gospel or vice versa when we

look at other scriptures they're all

talking of something like a word or a

sound that created everything including

God now when you say word or sound or

nod or in Google saw the Sikh holy book

he says shoved shove the dirty shove

there cause of the vapor cost everything

was catered by shop in connection with

itself

antek the holy book of the god of the

ground side says all I'm saying the same

thing indeed in the Islamic literature

same thing that there is a bong gas

money that not the bank of the mall we

not the mall we calling people to

worship but there's from its sky the

sword is coming which is calling you all

talking of something that can be heard

word sound not shoved how come they are

using these words why don't I say power

why don't I say creative power all of

them should say they all are using a

word which means something that can be

heard the answer is very simple if you

meditate you can find the answer that

the ultimate consciousness totality of

consciousness is the total creative

power that's created everything

including itself and yet then we are in

a physical world is a physical body it

can be heard inside us as the sound

it is audible just because that power of

consciousness is audible in the physical

plane they've used this words all over

in every religion they made it very

clear that if you want to find yourself

follow the resonance and sound of your

own self and what word can we give

there's no word we can give to the power

but we could describe it then we added a

physical state so that is why all the

religions have drawn our attention to

this yet when I open the Columbia

Oxford Dictionary and I look up what the

meaning of the word will W capital you

can also look up I open it it says the

word means the Bible if I apply that to

John's Gospel a book created the whole

world the book for God how can you say

that and yet reads confuse ourselves

just because a word has been used same

thing is happening all over we are

looking at scriptures in a totally

different way we try to make use of them

to create separate separateness separate

religion separate denominations separate

belief systems and every time you get a

new belief system some some followers

come there from there be separate again

and again from each other the greatest

separator of all is our own mind that

separates us from our own self and then

is separate from everybody else the mind

is are separated how can you rely on a

mind for yoga for union which is

constantly separating us if the mind was

not there we would work we would be one

right now the mind is creating all the

separation the mind divide it is nature

and then it divides it divides through a

process which appeals to itself a

process called analysis it is analytical

in nature you want to understand

something break it like it did a child

looks like a toy I want to know how it

works but I can see it what it is

we want to break concepts break ideas

break them and see understand them mind

cannot understand anything without

breaking it

whereas our own self our soul our

consciousness tries to see the big

picture by uniting its system is

synthesis not an analysis it synthesizes

everything and see the big picture then

we understand it I often said if you

have a nice painting and you look at the

painting you feel good that's a nice

painting

you don't say let me see it for 20

minutes and then I'll save a good

painting or not you have one glance at a

good painting great now supposing you

cut that painting into small pieces 1

inch squares of that painting and put

the whole heap on a table the whole

painting is sitting on the table

examine each piece one by one by one

you'll never see the painting you can

try at other times you'll never see the

painting because you spread them

separating them into pieces even this

human life we see it separated cut up by

time and space moment by moment you see

less time and space a scissors cutting

our experience into little pieces we

never see the perfection of life

supposing you put the whole life

together in one instant you see it's

perfect

supposing you see the whole of creation

in one glass it is perfect see it part

by part it is imperfect so this whole

approach of experiencing to the mind and

experiencing through this whole are

different then you experience remind you

never see the whole the big picture when

you experience this whole this is the

whole picture that is why these perfect

living masters say the true spiritual

path is one that takes you above the

mind and above the mind you discover who

you are and after that you discovers

you're always part of the totality you

will never separate it

I in my very first meeting is somebody

in 1962 in this country when I first

came they asked me to speak in the

church and I spoke in the church and

somebody got up and said if these things

were so good in our true home why did we

leave

why did we come here my answers at once

was we never left we are still there

it had a surprise the person for a while

we lost awareness of where we are not

only lost the place we never left how

true oh we left the awareness and the

spiritual path is not traveling

somewhere its regaining by awakening to

where we are then we go back to a clue

home we don't feel Oh after a long time

you've come back we see we were always

here we had such a nasty dream of the

dream may be some good dreams and some

bad dreams and we call it creation and

reality so that is where we go back so

that is why this path is to awaken us to

our own reality somebody asked me a good

author of many books he wanted me to

write a chapter on the spiritual path I

follow he said give me the just the gist

of it I don't want a whole book to put

in my book one chapter I said it will be

a small chapter he's I wanted to be

small how many pages I said not even a

page he said oh you mean to just on one

page I said this even shorter than that

he said what will it be just a small

chapter no it will be very small chapter

what will it be just a sentence is there

will be the smallest sentence I've ever

uttered what will it be I said my whole

gist so the spiritual path will be one

word now period that's the spiritual

path the experience of love is the

spiritual path the experience of love

and all circumstances is the spiritual

path but do not mistake attachment to be

loved so long as you know that love does

not require

any effort on the part of an ego of a I

took space itself then I has to be used

to express love it's an ego trip and not

love then the beloved alone is in your

mind and there is no I there's love in

doubt the beloved pulls you in Farsi in

Persian is the same issue of well that

dilemma shook feather Mashhad that means

love was first born in the art of the

beloved you can't be a lover you can be

pulled by a beloved as you become a

lover and they have the truth about true

love otherwise I love you I love you

always I am more important than you

because I am doing something for you and

I'm expecting something when a person

says whether I hear this phrase all the

time from people

I sometimes wonder why do they have to

say it again and again people are

repeating this in their relationships

all the time yes so insecure they're so

insecure that maybe we don't keep on

repeating we separate get the repetition

of these words is keeping us together

and I have seen people saying I love you

and thought to somebody somewhere else

not only somewhere else or another

person and still the word was coming out

of their mouths I love you what have you

done to this word love it was supposed

to be the most spiritual word is the

real reality now and devotion love and

devotion secret if you have somebody

really Trudy you will constantly be

thinking of the beloved it beloved has

pulled you somehow if no sign comes from

beloved you can't love anybody the sign

has to come from there and that is why

when we are pulled by the love of a

perfect living master things happen in

such a way so many things happen there

sometimes I think that the perfectly

masters are very big diplomats and I

heard this word once from a very famous

Swami that's why we lived in a place

called Karachi which is known Pakistan

and his name was Swami Brahman and my

uncle was posted as a meteorologist

weatherman in Karachi so he used to go

to that Swami Brahman on and you liked

him because he was not only Swami

teaching yoga but he also used to

distribute Ayurvedic medicines and my

uncle and aunt used to go for medicines

for homeopathy not for homeopathic

aerobatic medicines he used to give some

good medicines so that is how they would

go to him but they began to love it with

a very nice personality

beautiful eyes used to bathe and saffron

colored robes and you have a little

muffler kind of thing around him scarf

also Schieffelin coloured which when he

walked he would hold on to that and walk

the gate style so good guy

now great master of a sovereign Singh

decided on their invitation to go to

Karachi and some of us we included we

all went by plane to see in see the

Swami also would be there and our

relatives inked uncle's lived on the

beach liftin Beach in crutches and I'd

really play see a house so we all went

there and my uncle and aunt went to the

Swami and said Swamiji our master is

coming from the Oz era in Punjab and we

want you to comment Harry dressings this

Swami he said just bring your master to

me and I'll dress it they couldn't

decide what to do now

they thought this why we will get the

briefing as Swami is ready to bless the

master so they decided to have a lunch

at their house and master would be

staying in their house they'll invite

this Swamiji forcely

for lunch and they had a two-seaters for

fall he loves Heat's off

and they will put both of them together

and automatically the blessings will be

exchanged so on the appointed day Swami

ji came and he sat on the bed little of

SOTA loves or sofa love sofa to theatres

and then they went to master baba

sovereign Singh ji come Swamiji has come

about whom you told and he came out he

sat next to the Swami ji and my uncle

and dad stood in front and said master

this is Swami brahmana ji about whom he

spoke to you and great master turned his

head toward the Swamiji with his hands

like this head bowed his head and

Swamiji raised his hand on top of the

great masters else's I bless you we

watch this show me said what is this

happening if the opposite of what we

expected but this is a master of out is

getting a blessing from Swamiji's after

a while Chris Buster in humility

sitting there say Swamiji isn't it a

pity that so many Yogi's Swami's are

caught up in the six energy centers

below the eyes and they have no

knowledge of true spirituality above

none of them are aware of the eighth

inch across that exists in the body saw

me turn to Him veces 18 chakras I never

heard of that sixty across somebody

called it seven chakras but I never

heard of the eighty

where are the again chakras and great

buses said haven't you heard of the

sixth chakra rependa which would be the

physical body and the sixth chakra be

under and Raimondo and six chapters of

the such kata you never heard that no

master I develop that which you explain

to me in detail where they are it was a

said you know my stay is very short here

but if you come to buy Dara and BR and

then I can explain to you more and he

began to think where are these eighteen

chakras

anyway master spent a few days and we

came back but this one he could not

sleep at night

he kept updating where are these 18

chakra that that master spoke about so

he told his disciples and winding up my

ashram if you want to come along come

along otherwise I am going to be asked

in Punjab state because one master came

here and he talked about 18 chakras and

I have never heard of them and I don't

know them I want to know about those 18

chakras he has invited me to come there

so he came to the Dara and be ours

great master instructed all the same

Allah's gave him VVIP treatment

put him in the best guesthouse available

in the Dara be at his service 24/7 and

feed in the best food and he can see me

at any time 24/7 at any time day or

night

so this Swamiji was given all this

information he felt very bad he pulled

his coffee one more and he very happy

every every day he would say he's a

guest of honor than the old era so he

tested whether he can really go and see

the master anytime he went after

midnight and he told people over the

door there the instructions the way woke

up great master said master Swamiji has

come

oh yes welcome welcome yes Swamiji what

can I do for you

no master just missing you I wanted to

have your darshan I came for that okay

go and sleep we came back he enjoyed

this show Master said Swamiji will sit

next to me when I give it this force

Swami he said next on the left of the

master and the chanters who were reading

from the books were further to the Swami

so as master gave the discourse he said

these Swami's and Yogi's they have been

caught up in this trick chakras they

know nothing of the highest spiritual

things and so on Rahman don't look at

him like this

and after one or two days he says that's

to have a little problem

he said yes for me what is your problem

my problem is that when you talk I have

to turn my head to look at you I'm

having a pain in my neck let master I

also noticed that no no you should sit

in front so Swamiji moves from sitting

next to master down wonderful now this

stage was high very used to underscores

from so Swamiji is sitting right there

and little chairs small chair and this

course red dawn after two days he

complained master I have a little

problem so I mean he what is your

problem now my problem is that you are

sitting so high up and I have to put my

head like this and now I've got a pain

in my neck

and great mass I said I also noticed

that I put it back in 20 paces away so

his chair was removed 20 paces away in

the crowd sitting there after few days

again complained master I have a

complaint is appealing I am a problem

what is your problem Master I feel I am

sitting on a chair people are sitting on

the ground they can't see you I feel so

guilty I can't hear you

oh I also see that remove the chair

ultimately Swamiji is standing anybody

like us attending the sub sub from the

back of the stage and no 24/7 and moved

to ordinary hot tea was given there to

david and he was practicing I already

Kison did Buster provided for that did a

little Hut and I used to practice

homeopathic things in those days so I

had a little clinic next to him he would

sometimes sit together and share our

notes and one day I was sitting with him

and this Swami told me your master is a

very great diplomat if he has teaches me

like this or day one I would have called

away the next day he gave me the royal

treatment and now I am pushed back like

anybody else trying to find when I can

have his version but he has trapped me

with his love I can go no wait it's love

that's pulled me and I can't go anywhere

so masters can play many kinds of roles

and they do according to where we stand

what we need and that's why don't

underestimate what they are doing we

can't analyze them we cannot know

exactly why particular move has been

made because the moves that they make

are with awareness of our own

self-awareness of where our Karma's

aware as what that is we are carrying

awareness of what we need at that time

they know better than us and gradually

we find that out till then they're good

friends and we should treat the breaks

end they never say traitors like masters

is a treat are they friends brothers

like brothers be just how to share our

journeys together we are code travelers

they never claim that they are higher

than others they claim they are the same

level as the box holds whom they have

come to take so we cannot really

recognize the master ultimate it comes

down to this what are the obvious signs

of a perfect living master he never

charges for his service his love is

unconditional

his friendship is forever he never /

falls public miracles he performs 20 of

private miracles for us these are signs

and he encourages us to go within and

not follow him outside he encourages us

to follow to fight our own self and our

own master inside and does not say go

outside to find your spirituality so

simple science even from this simple

sighs we are still confused because many

of these can be replicated by any clever

man and therefore there so many fake

masters so many master spring up

according to my master great master he

said every time they put technique

master is bought anywhere on this planet

and they are bought all over the planet

depending upon where the seekers rod is

not confined to any particular space

they are born all over the planet every

time one is born at least 11 or 12 fake

ones are around them because that's how

the distribution of rolls between the

negative power of time call and the

positive power has been divided in this

level of creation these are deep

subjects and if you like to study you

find this hope so much in this

but nearly steady of books study of

literature will not take you back home

it will make you more egoistic I have

studied more than anybody else I have

done more studies I know more than you

that's all ego which comes in the way of

that humidity that's required to be

successful on this path I will pause now

and we have a break and I will see you

in the afternoon or three o'clock again

and since there are lot of people who

are wanting personal time personal

interview and so I have a short session

with you in the afternoon and spend

about an hour hour and a half for the

interviews thank you very much