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This is my holotropic breathing that simply ended with me crying from happiness, right? That I felt so good, that I realized I was living the way I wanted to live and everything is okay. >> What was your first experience that opened your mind? >> I look there at hundreds of campers, some tents, something, and I say: "Wait, wait, this is it." And you know that someone is catching someone there, some guy, I ask him, he says, brother, this is the place, you know, an unusual sight, you know, suddenly you look at six guys lying there with bare, bare bottoms and catching solar energy, right? Oh damn, no. I hit the jackpot, this will be awesome, I guess not. During a long meditation, something came to me, that let go, fight for health, let go of MMA completely, and further something leads to what Hawkins wrote about, for example, the technique of release, right? 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Supplements inspired by nature based on organic mushroom ingredients with code Cyprian 12, you will find a discount on all products there. Gentleman Barbershop takes care of the perfect cut. The largest barbershop chain in Europe. Find a salon at gentlembar.pl. [music] My guest today is Borys Mońkowski. Welcome. Good morning. >> We saw each other exactly two years ago >> and well, you probably didn't expect so much to change in your life. What? >> I didn't expect so much to change at all. I didn't expect that I wouldn't want to talk about MMA anymore, that it became a boring topic for me. The first thing, the most important, is that year after year, having my children, I simply realized that I am increasingly a dad, at least at this stage of life, right? And this is my main role now, of course, to be that dad and do everything to be the best dad. That's one thing. The second thing, what seemed most important to me once, you know, considering that I fought my whole life and fights were everything, how much I cared about some losses, how no, not every win made me happy. I thought that this was like my main problem in life, you know. Well, today I look and I almost want to laugh at that Borys, where it doesn't matter at all, so to speak. No, no, not that it doesn't matter at all, but it doesn't matter much, right? compared to even myself, and compared to the world, it doesn't matter at all, right? And I thought that was my whole world. That's probably what changed the most in the last two years from this whole topic, because I have the impression that I'm talking to a completely different person, that people often have an existential dilemma after ending their sports career. What next? Your words, in which you said that this is the best time of my life, well, that also shows that something was germinating in you, something must have exploded in you, that you really drew a thick line under the entire MMA chapter, and even a 300,000 PLN offer from Martin Lewandowski couldn't convince you to return to the cage. >> Not even 300,000 PLN. And now I'll refer to this topic again, that I'll tell you honestly, it's funny, but imagine, over the last year and a half, I've experienced so much peace, happiness, such daily joy, you know, enjoying everything, that I knew I wasn't strong enough in my head, energy, spirit, call it what you will, that I hoped such an offer wouldn't appear, that someone would call me and say Boris, a million for a fight. And imagine that, in the depths of my heart, looking at it, >> did you hope such an offer wouldn't appear, >> that an offer to fight for a million PLN wouldn't appear, and imagine, because I would know that at such an intellectual level it would tempt me, and I would have to say damn, well, no, no, give it up Boris, do this fight for that million PLN, right? But looking at it, it would destroy the path I'm currently on, and I feel that I can't get off it, you know, that I have to be on it all the time, that's one thing, and two, it would disrupt my peace, my thoughts, which are going in a better direction, in my opinion, you know, it seems to me that day by day I'm going down the right path, which leads me, I don't know to what, but to something good, I know that it would disrupt my path for at least a few months. And I honestly hoped that something like this wouldn't appear, because I wouldn't want to disrupt it. >> Well, wait, does that mean you want to say that we can cut this topic from our conversation completely. Do you want to say that the topic of professional MMA in your life is completely closed? >> I hope so. >> I hope so. So, so that the fight for a million PLN doesn't appear, because then for a voice. [laughter] So I hope, >> we'll keep our fingers crossed that no one offers you Baliki for a fight. >> Exactly. And I hope that even if someone offers, by then, for example, I will have so many Tasd users that even [laughter] this fairy tale, I'll say, it's pointless. >> Okay, but I'd like to go into the details of this, because I'm wondering what caused you to solidify your decision so strongly not to accept Martin's offer. >> I received an offer to fight at KSW 100, and then I wasn't prepared for anything, but I said: "Well, damn, okay, let's take what's there." Arkadiusz Wrzosek took my place on the channel. It turned out well, and I went to KSW 100, actually to shoot material for Pitbull, and there, sitting at that gala, Maciek Kawulski suddenly comes up to me, looks me deep in the eyes and says: "Boris, what's going on?" you know, right? And we start talking, and we start talking like never before. I've never had such a calm, honest conversation with Maciek, not about business, you know, somewhere under the cage, where we probably talked for an hour, and Maciek, you know, as if he wanted to help me in some way, you know? Because he sees that I'm lost. And then we meet with Maciek, just as I mentioned, Maciek tells me, tells me, tells me, and then he tells me that, you know, Boris, and this changed my life. Such a book, "Reality Transurfing." Read it, maybe somewhere, you know, it will become clear. And generally, I thought Maciek was recommending this book to me so that for my next fights, it would help me with my thoughts, you know? I go in, I look, no, sorry, I don't even go in, he sent me a link immediately, you can see that it touched him somewhere, you know? and he sent me a direct link to purchase, and nine used books for about 1600 PLN or something, because they are no longer published. I look and say: "What a crazy price, you know, for some worn-out books." But I say, suddenly I'm sitting with Maciek, I've never talked to him like this, suddenly he's sending me a book, and I say: "This is a damn sign, right? Because, you know, very often people say why things are so bad and so on, but they don't notice the signs that appear during life's journey." I look, okay, I'll order. I ordered the books, they arrived, and literally a week or two later, I flew with my family for a month's vacation to Spain. We're sitting in Spain, you know, and I'm taking this first book, and I have so many thoughts about this Zdorż, about this movement, because I feel in my heart that I have to go into it with full force, why? Because this form of movement, in terms of my injuries and so on, has literally saved me. Plus, such self-fulfillment, and I started to feel such love for it, you know? And I had thoughts that people need this, and in the sense that on a daily basis, you know, because people work 8, 10 hours a day, kids need to be taken to school, and so on. And I think, well, damn, I'm not surprised that people are in terrible physical shape. If they have, for example, an hour a day for themselves, they won't even have time to get to some club or something. I say, and this form of movement allows you to, you know, turn on the TV or whatever, and train, you know, in two square meters, so to speak, and do a better workout than, damn, one club somewhere in the world, actually, than most sports clubs in the world, actually, right? And you know, and I say, but this would be good, but damn, should I go into this? Because of the fights, you know? Well, 300,000 somewhere for a fight and so on, and here you have a sudden idea that's germinating in your head, and you think, damn, will this even work, will it not work, you know, I open this reality transfer while sitting in Spain, the first pages, you know, I look, that it's transferring, right? And I say, suddenly I have this book in my hands, and there are no, you know, in my opinion, any magic tricks, because it often appears, but not so well-developed this material, let's say. Well, but I read about my thoughts that I should, damn, follow my heart and not mess with it. I close the book, I say to Danusia, it wasn't, you know, without reason. I say Danusia, I'm opening Dodo now, you know? And that's how it started, actually. We talked about this book on Instagram via voice messages, but what exactly was the sign for you in this book, >> that you decided to follow that voice of your heart, >> because my heart told me to go with full force into movement and to share it with the community, with people, because it gave me a lot of good. And looking at the fact that I've been in sports my whole life, and in completely general development sports, because let's not hide it, in MMA you also have to be agile, to be able to handle everything that's happening there. And looking at the impression it made on me personally, and I thought about people who don't know how to do a squat and how much good it can bring them, in terms of the physical side, I felt such a pull to share it. And there are possibilities, because I am Borys, known from MMA, right? And I felt it in my heart. Plus, even looking selfishly, I wanted to go with full force into this movement for myself, to be able to push MMA away from my daily training, and to enter into this, because I simply felt that this is it, that even as far as I remember, there was such a chapter, the rustling of morning stars, I don't know if you remember, that it's an inner voice without words, and actually when you start asking yourself questions, when you hear the answer, feeling discomfort, you know that it's not your path, and if you have something like that, where the answer is clear, then it's your path. And we are often in such a conflict that the mind wants one thing, because, as you say, because of money, because of a million, because of 300,000 for a fight. But on the other hand, you know that maybe all of that, which you also described so well, that the popularity that you also built over the years in MMA, being an icon, an authority, being a warrior for many people, maybe that was the time that prepared you for something bigger in your life, right? You said that very well, and looking at what has happened over the last year, actually, I am more and more convinced that this is exactly how it was meant to be. Plus, as someone wrote to me well recently, because they say to me: "Borys, you know, because I would like to do all these things that you are now promoting and so on." It didn't always draw me in, but the truth is that when I turned on some guy in tights who showed me these things, it ended with three triggers. He says, and he wrote to me literally, but I needed the authority of a guy who has shown more than once that, you know, he has the guts, that he can go and fight with a guy, and he can, damn, do some gymnastics like a ballerina, because it's good and he doesn't look at the fact that your ego won't help you perform some movements that might even seem, let's say, feminine at times or something like that. And he showed exactly that. So I also think that it had to be, that they brought you there, because MMA was also at the right time, it was purely from the heart, and it also didn't make sense at the moment when I started doing it, right? And it's very possible that it was to build the whole persona of Borys the Devil Mańkowski, so that later I could move on to the path I'm on now, and many people will probably be drawn to what is truly good. Because regarding MMA, you know, at one point I had something like this, that I said, damn, I started to feel a need to do something good for society. Something like that woke up, as if I never had it before. Well, obviously, at a young age, who will think about something like that, right? I only look at myself, and I'm sitting somewhere in Żabka, a lady gives me some water or something, and I look and think, damn, this lady is doing more for society in this Żabka than I am, right? Because, you know, she has to be in this store, she has to put out the goods and so on, you know, people come, pick them up, and so on. I think, and what do I deliver? I say, I deliver entertainment, actually, not for most people, of course, there are some cases where you deliver entertainment, but also through your authority, you show certain role models for young people. It's actually in such a field where we imitate certain role models in society, it has a greater impact than often material things, where someone gives you something from Żabka. But I also understand the concept that >> there is a part >> you want to see the effect in the normal world of what you know, and there is a part of people, as you said, who will extract something from it, that essence, that good, and actually apply it to their lives and draw from it. But the vast majority are not like that, the vast majority are like this: they want to turn on chips, drink an energy drink, and watch a gala in the evening and laugh and so on, right? And I felt something like this, that I want to constantly do something that will only reach people, thanks to which their lives will become better. I don't want to be that clown anymore, who is watched, you know, like in a theater and so on, but I want to be someone who, even if they don't like me, for example, you meet your friend, let's say Marek, right? And you've known him for years, you see that he's barely managing, physically speaking, for example, suddenly you don't see each other for a year, after a year you meet him, you look, and the guy, I don't know, stands on his hands and does a split, let's say. And you say, damn, old man, what happened here? You, well, I train with Borys at Tasdo. You know, I don't even like him, but man, what he shows me, and that's it, right? But wait, didn't you have such situations when you fought in KSW, which was broadcast on television, and you didn't deal with people, with young people, who directly >> told you that Borys, you changed my life. Thanks to you, my son started training MMA, changed his life, came out of depression, and did a lot of other things in life. >> There were such moments, but I'm saying again, that's definitely a small percentage compared to what it is now. Without a doubt, and I was most pleased with what you're saying, that I encountered such situations as when I wrote a book, and there was even such a situation, and it was really awesome, when we went to the amateur league that Martin Lewandowski organizes, and a guy came up to me, a 17-year-old kid, and said to me: "Listen, Borys, six months ago I wasn't doing anything, but you know what, I read your book, I went to a club, I signed up, and he says, and I still don't know anything, but I came to this gala to test myself. Thank you." I say, wow, I say, that was powerful, right? So there are also such situations. But going further down this path, I'm also opening up to the fact that okay, you can enter MMA, maybe it will change your life, but maybe it will also ruin your life a bit, because it's a bit of a dangerous thing, isn't it? It can cause some incurable injuries, serious ones, and so on. It can happen that you go all in, you know, and it doesn't work out, and it would be significantly safer to do something else, for example. So that's the risk, and that's something that Reality Transurfing, which Zeland writes about, and that's the biggest problem, probably, for people to find their way, right? >> Mhm. >> That's the problem. And have you calculated a lot in life, and not felt? What does it mean that you have followed that path many times, where you made decisions in your life. Not from the sphere of the heart, but through >> idea, calculation. >> Not many, not many times, but completely unconsciously. >> And that's what I laughed about, what I said before the podcast, that many of these developmental books, I started reading them somewhere, and many times it was like this: I read something and I think, damn, but I'm doing it like this, right? And I started to realize more and more that I'm following this intuition, and it usually worked out for me, and you know, and today I'm at Cyprian's and we're talking on a podcast, so it's okay. But at the moment when my heart started to feel that this is not it, and the mind says: "What the hell are you talking about, Borys? You have to do this." That's when it was actually after the fight with Mamed, and literally then the better fights started to fall apart, worse, the body started to fall apart, and I'll refer to something very interesting. This is huge. I heard it from you. I don't remember who it was, because I have no idea about these names, surnames. I'm driving along the route, I'm listening to these podcasts. And I realized that it's probably like this guest said, that if your soul, or rather, if you go against your soul, then very often when it, when it shows you that it's not its plan. It won't destroy your body most often, because it has some influence on that. And suddenly I think, and so, okay, after the fight with Mamed, then, without a doubt, I felt like fire burned inside me. If someone sometimes says that after Soldic, they took your soul or something, then I always laugh, I say, because Mamed, that's how I felt it, and it was also related to the fact that my daughter was born, so something changed there too. But when I think about it, actually, look, before the fight with Mamed, when I felt that this was my whole life, that this was it, that there was nothing else. I could train three times a day and it was awesome. I was fit, strong, everything was going well. I felt with all my heart that this was my life. No, after the fight with Mamed, you know, I felt that something was wrong. It was also going further down this path, we left Anko, we calmed down with the coach, because I simply felt tired of it, that I didn't want to do it anymore, actually, and the club had to be somehow, you know, repaired and so on. I felt that this was not it, and what started to happen? One, two, three, four, five injuries, some losses, some wins, where, where okay there were wins, but I should have dominated some of these, you know, fighters completely, and it wasn't like that, right? And now, attention. I'm in a situation where I'm going to KSW to talk about my next fight at Narodowy 2. Not after losing to Mircea, to say to everyone that I'm not giving up and I want to fight. I'm not going to give some interview and, you know, to do that. And suddenly I get a call from my coach Arkadiusz Kordus. Boris, help Romek warm up, because there's no one there. And I say: "How, what kind of stupid situation is this? If Romek doesn't have anyone to warm up with, if he's before a fight at Narodowy, and I came just, you know, as a fan to watch the gala. Okay, well, I'll run quickly there, you know, I slipped in, put on some friend's shorts, and I start warming up. We're warming up, warming up. I fall somewhere, well, I fall, well, I fall gently, I get up with a broken arm, I say, how not? Well, this makes no sense. Where we're wrestling, doing crazy things, the body is really strong, suddenly a broken arm. No, I say, okay, I was supposed to come to fight, to talk about a fight, and my arm broke. Later, when I had this broken arm, well, what? Well, I train further. Well, because Boris doesn't give up, he just keeps going, you know, in his own way, where I feel with all my heart and with myself that I shouldn't be here. So two torn tendons in both knees, and I find out soon that there's devastation. So the arm healed after some time, and then I found out that the tendons are so torn that I have to give up wrestling, give up jiu-jitsu for about half a year, because if I don't give up, my knees will crack completely and it will be over. No, I'm devastated, I say: "I can't go down this path." Where my whole, you see, my whole body is telling me: "Well, hello, no, wake up, Boris, this is not it." And I'm pissed off, I say, okay, if I sit here in the city, I'll go crazy. So let's go, let's go somewhere. Fortunately, there was money to fly somewhere. I took my family, we flew to Vietnam. I'm sitting in Vietnam and I think: "Damn, this movement portal, this movement wasn't so, you know, versatile." I say: "Okay, well, you know, because I don't want to give up all the time. My legs are messed up, so I say maybe this movement." And one more important thing. Before flying to Vietnam, I won't hide it, during a long meditation, something came to me, that let go, fight for health, let go of MMA completely, and without a doubt, before flying to Vietnam, I let go, I didn't let go completely, and further something leads to what Hawkins wrote about, for example, the technique of release, right, where I didn't even read that book then, right? And suddenly I say, okay, you know what, I'm done with MMA and I went to Danusia, I said, screw it, let's just go to Vietnam, because I'll go crazy here. We flew to Vietnam and I say, okay, I say, I'm letting go of MMA and I said, until I do one pistol squat on one leg, I'm not coming back to the mat. No, I won't come back to the mat, because, I say, what's the point? I don't want to be like, for example, my friend Michał Materla, where, you know, knees messed up, and he's still struggling. No, no, I don't want to be that guy. And there in Vietnam, I strongly remembered this movement. I started, you know, looking for more, getting into it more. No, I started doing crazy bridges and so on. Very quickly. Generally, no, because the progress was fast. And there were various exercises for the legs. And of course, stupidly, right? I say: "Well, okay, let's try to do something for these legs too." And I do it, but it's not bad, actually. After two weeks in Vietnam, I came back and I say: "Damn, my knees don't hurt? Okay, well, let's go to the mat right away, to Rudzice." And imagine that I went to Rudzice, I went to wrestling, and since then it's okay, right? Where I had months, months of break from it. I couldn't sit on the toilet for, you know, sometimes for two months, for example, I had days where I couldn't sit on the toilet because my tendons didn't allow it, because I was constantly struggling. Something repaired, I went to training, it broke again, and suddenly I went to Rudzice. After those two weeks of break, completely detached earlier, months from Rudzice, from wrestling, I start training and I don't feel rusty, and it's impossible. Because whenever I took a longer break from grappling, I felt sluggish, rusty, but not here. And you know, as if there was no break at all, and I think, damn, it's thanks to this movement, it's so strange, right? That it translated so much to combat sports. And then the tendons didn't come back, but I got hooked on movement and went deeper and deeper into movement. And now, interestingly, now the question, because recently I started analyzing it, did movement cause me to fix my knees, or did I simply let go and crash out of MMA? No. And then, let's say, the soul, it rejoiced. Well, damn, old man, you finally went down the path you were supposed to go. Well, now we'll leave you alone and we won't mess up your body anymore. A lot of pieces have fallen into place from your story, because you also said in another interview that you felt something new germinating in you after that fight with Mamed. That means something was already forming in you, and you were definitely getting a lot of other signs, because I don't remember from which conversation this text might have come, but it seems to me that the message was that illness, what happens to us in the real world, is a final red card that you need to change something in your life, that either you are overloaded, you get injuries, or you simply get a signal that, old man, this is just not it anymore. And it's that a number of such events accumulate, and the ability to read them, because if it were for you, that coach Kościelski, with whom you had some tension at the end, told you, excuse me [snort] to get lost, then [laughter] you would normally grit your teeth and keep doing it. But when he did that, as if at that moment, the thread snapped. >> The thread snapped. >> And I didn't want to be in it anymore, but you see, it took a few years to struggle. Now think further, because before the fight with Mamed, I started doing this movement for myself, but I knew that it was such a wide spectrum that I just added it somewhere to my warm-ups, you know? And and look, that actually, if I had gone with full force then, after Mamed, then it would have been the best decision. Because then people would have thought, you know, this guy has gone crazy, you know, at Narodowy, you know, he almost won against Mamed somewhere, and now he's gone in a completely different direction. Then it would have made the biggest boom, and then the soul would probably have rejoiced that I jumped into it at the perfect moment, right? But if not for the injuries that later happened, if not for these conclusions that we are now discussing, then perhaps the head wouldn't be in the place it is now, right? Mm. >> The head also had to open up at some point, because you talk about Transurfing, about Hawkins, that you had a lot of signs that you started to read, which you normally wouldn't have seen in your life, that something must have happened, some cog must have shifted. What was your first experience that opened your mind? >> Before, you know what, before the fight with Waso Bakozewicz? I did a lot of meditation, you know? And it was easy for me to, for example, you know, sit calmly for an hour, for example, sit there for an hour of meditation from the very beginning, you know? And and they caused me to calm down a bit, you know? I know everyone associates me with the fact that I'm always shouting and so on, and here when I'm excited, I can also, you know, talk faster, but generally I'm more calm in life on a daily basis. And what? And I calmed down even more, and then I started to notice many things that increasingly interest me, and let's say, these strong charges like fights, like, you know, exciting things, less and less. And I noticed that actually I'm starting to have fun in increasing peace, not in that dopamine-driven fun, right? Time just passed, and I started to notice that I get more joy from simply sitting and looking at the sea, and you know, some people will look at this strangely, but I compare myself with various other people and I see that something different is happening here in my head. And now I'll give an example. I'm sitting in Thailand, you know, I'm sitting in Thailand, we've been there for three weeks, we had a little house, you know? And I'm sitting there and I think, damn, will I ever get bored of this, right? Because it was three weeks then, when the idea for Tas Dojo also germinated, and I say: "I want to have free time, I don't want to go to the mat, it annoys me, you know, like too many people, you have to adjust to some training hour. It annoys me. I want to finally fly to Thailand, calm down, sit, but I still want to be physically fit. I just asked myself the question, how am I supposed to train if I want to be physically fit, but as if I were doing full MMA, meaning, you know, total, ground, wrestling, and striking, and so on. And then the idea for tasd drills, so-called, came up. So I was doing a shadow fight plus various mobility movements in a combined movement, so it turns into mobility cardio. And I was doing it daily, like once or twice a day, and thanks to that, I was in such shape, but I had a lot of time in between to just sit and, you know, and I'm sitting there for another, the third week, and I think, damn, will I ever get bored of this, because people say they go on vacation for a week or two and they're already eager to get back to work. I say, how is that possible? And suddenly I'm sitting on the beach, I look, my friend from Poznań comes, whom I know. He ran some company.
Such a thing that I didn’t expect from myself, that it would give me so much joy, that it would simply give me so much happiness, like that good news from those people, right? When I think that, you know, every day there are people, that missionary aspect you talked about, that you have an impact on the people you work with and you simply feel the effect and you hear from them what they say. >> Exactly. And not just online, but sometimes I meet someone now, you know, face to face, who tells me that straight to my face. Right, not to mention that I even get messages like, okay, body is body, but their head has somehow healed, right? And if we are connected, which holotropic breathing shows, that if we have some traumas, emotions stuck in the body, then basically, if we in the right way, but in the right way we get our body moving, then even that movement can cause various traumas or emotions to dissolve, right? And that’s also an interesting thing in general. >> Exactly. And how does that work? I mean, because you also mentioned that with holotropic breathing you were able to see where in your body a certain emotion is. That happens the same way in Vipassana, where you are, you know, several, a dozen or so hours a day, meditating, and you simply are able to really see where a certain emotion is from some part, I don’t know, of your childhood, or from some moment in your life, right? And see that it’s pulsing somewhere in your shoulder, exactly in which part of the body it is. That one simply looked like this: someone is breathing holotropically, they recall, let’s say, some bad moment, and suddenly while seeing that bad moment, for example, I feel a huge pain, let’s say in my back, right? And I show that partner that their back hurts, and you simply have to press that spot, and you do it in a normal, physical, rough way. And the woman I was working with, for example, showed me her hood, right? That, man, she was just a regular lady, right? I had to grab that hood of hers with both hands, squeeze it so hard, I kept squeezing harder and harder, but you felt you had to do it hard. I braced my foot against the wall normally and held her, because she would have hit her head against the wall, right? And at some point I started >> feeling it go >> almost like that, and I started to feel how that hood, for example, suddenly became soft, >> but she survived. She >> survived and suddenly a smile on her face, and I let her go. Right. And I'm like, damn, what's going on? Right? And then later I started analyzing that indeed the right movement should also contribute to that. In your case as well, there was an interesting thing. With that particular guy, I can’t agree with him on many, many, many, many points, but he talked about something interesting. >> Wait. Who exactly are you talking about? With a last name >> Damn, I can’t. I just have no idea about names, last names, but he talked about how not every sport serves you well, he even said it extremely, that that Henkowski last one >> I think so, that it can drain your energy and so on, and many things he said in that conversation didn’t clash with my thinking at all, but that particular point is quite interesting—I wouldn’t go as far as he did, but I am convinced that depending on what kind of person you are on a daily basis and what you do, not every sport is for you, you know? Because now, if for example I’m in a job with tons of stress, constantly having to tussle with someone in quotation marks, of course, but argue, exert some kind of pressure and so on, then after such work, if you go, for example, to a combat sports training, you’re again in that fight-or-flight mode, stress again and so on, so you go harder and harder. There’s no harmony here, uh, you just go in one direction, right? Then it’s better, man, to go do some yoga, relax, for example. Right? But if for example you sit and do some monotonous thing all day, in a calm way, then combat sports are good, to go in the opposite direction and get going, right? So that also needs to be heavily tailored to yourself, but what he said about that energy, that is also interesting, because I remember, I remember, this was not so long ago, during professional sports, and that’s also something worth mentioning, which I’m happy about. Energy, right? When you are in professional sports, you have no energy for life. Simply put, in the simplest terms. You go to training in the morning, and in the morning you’ve already used up your whole energy bar, bam, it’s gone. Then you focus on regenerating that energy bar at least halfway for half the day, so that in the second training you can throw it all out again. And now you live in a bit of a zombie world, where you are constantly focused on having that energy and throwing it out only during those two trainings, nothing else. And now suddenly, you know, I wake up at 5:30, you know, I do my movement, you know, I exercise, but I still have energy for life. I have joy from this life. You know what I mean, lately I’ve been thinking like this, I’m so joyful that I don’t remember when I last had so much joy in me. That’s one thing, but another thing, you know what also seems to me and this ties back again to that feedback from Tas DO and you won’t laugh at this, right? Whether it’s true or not, I don’t know, but think about it, for example, if I currently have about 1100 something people, uh, I think there will be many more, I hope. But now if out of those 1100 people, for example, I don’t know, 400 people do that training daily, for example, right? And they think: "Hell yeah, thanks Borys." Every day 400 people say something like that. And if we have those thought-forms and they send that thought into energy, then isn’t it possible that they are sending it to me simply, and perhaps that’s why lately I’m even more joyful and happy than usual, >> right? That’s why, looking at it even more selfishly, come to [laughs] me, come on with those thought-forms, give them to me, because thanks to that you simply have more of that energy. Right >> Well, I’ll tell you, I thought about that, because I also disagreed with him during that conversation when he said that, and I also told him to what extent sport works for us therapeutically and generally builds our character. It builds a warrior’s mentality too, thanks to which we can be more disciplined in life, build consistency, build leadership in every field. That’s one aspect, but on the other hand, to what extent does our ego concept as athletes also start to crumble when we hear such words, because exactly that’s what you said—that when you train professionally, you are completely drained of energy. You wake up in the morning, you’re already worn out, you know what the energy level is like when you’re in a preparation cycle. And the second training session, there’s a low probability that you can do it without a double, triple pre-workout or a triple espresso, and you’re simply day in, day out, just worn out, and you don’t have, as you also said about Mateusz Gamrot, who simply sits in a psychiatric hospital in America. Well, it’s like that, you sit there for two months, you are a shadow of a person when it comes to other aspects, right? Besides training. >> Yes, exactly. And that’s it, you know, I even go back to Mati, as many people say: "Oh, nice, he’s sitting in Miami." How nice, man, well, come on, I’ll put you there for a week, you’ll see how nice it is. You know, and sometimes it was like, I remember when he came out of UFC and Mati was so unhappy, like no. I say: "What, what’s wrong with you, Mati?" No, he’s like, well, you know, we were supposed to be here together and so on. I say: "Man, I’m happy you’re here." Yes, and I had to explain that to him for a long, long, long time. And now after some time I even tell him, Mati, I wouldn’t trade places with you for any money, I say, not at all. I wouldn’t want to be there at all. I say, leave me alone. I’m living so well now that when I think about, for example, having to trade places with him now, man, [laughs] no chance. Right. Okay. And what was your most spectacular case of a person you helped through movement? Well, the most spectacular, that’s also an interesting thing. That’s two people I told you about when I met that buddy of mine at the pool. I told Cyprian an interesting story. But that’s not important anymore. Imagine I’m at Konusman. I’m at consus, and suddenly a person appears, looks at me with such teary eyes and says: "Borys, thank you." And he hugged me. I say: "Damn, thanks too." I say, but for what? Right? And he says, no man, your Tas Dojo, he says, it’s a great thing, I found again, you know, the calling to move and so on, I had already given up on everything and nothing worked, and suddenly I look at me and he says, and he once wrote to me on Tas Dojo, and man, you cured me of depression, right? And I say, no, man, don’t exaggerate, no. He says, Borys, believe me, it was like that. Damn, okay, but I took that to heart, like not that strongly. It turned out that he is a friend of the guy I told you about just now, the one I met at the pool. I had no idea about it, and he tells me: "Listen, man, there’s a guy who wrote to you, Krzysiu and so on." Borys, he says, believe me, it’s true, that guy had depression, couldn’t cope, sport that he was into, he didn’t feel it at all. He started training with you, for some reason. Suddenly joy, everything is okay, he enjoys life and everything. And now, I thought to myself that this form of movement is so versatile, we touch on so many aspects, where, as I said, most sports clubs in the world don’t even touch those parts, and perhaps that’s why he simply feels good in his body. But the second thing, perhaps what we talked about happened, about those traumas, right? That the right movement caused those emotions stuck in the body to simply start dissolving. Perhaps not. >> Don’t you feel it? Tell me, that methodology of Ido Portal is a bit out there for such regular average people, because you also, when you filmed a video on your YouTube about the workshops you attended, you mentioned that the very beginning of the workshops looked like this: you entered a meditation for 30 minutes to feel some movements in your pelvis. I was also in a movement class a few times once, and honestly I was waving my arms in different planes. And as much as I understand the whole idea, I think that’s also not a form of movement that a normal average person would need. >> Definitely. And that’s why I feel like a kind of envoy, and that’s why I >> well, not envoy in the sense that I am an envoy of those people who are with me, and I can pay that crazy money to Ido Portal to be with him, you know, in that online coaching, to learn as much as possible, but even being there, it’s not everything. He often said that it’s everything, but it’s not everything at all. And I, for example, see huge gaps in the form of, for example, breaks between different exercises that are unfilled. For me, those gaps can always be filled, and when we are together at the exercises at Conmain, you’ll know what I’m talking about. >> Another thing is that, in my opinion, he really neglects a bit those mobility exercises, which can also be a good fun, and he, for example, does such partner games, those are cool, out-there things, but really, those mobility movements don’t have to be boring, and you can have a hell of a fun with them too, right? So I, from Ido, you know what, I actually took a general outline, which I started working on for a long time, and I added many, I just made a mix, and I started paying many other different trainers as well, even online, some coaching and so on, to draw from, to make one big mix, plus of course all the experience I have from childhood training combat sports, and I made from that a kind of group, such a pill that I give to people, and attention, my main mission is exactly what Ido does not do—you go to Ido and you want to learn to wave your hands, and suddenly you have to spend an hour a day on it. Oh please, no, I’m listening to him, what he’s talking about, and I think to myself, man, you’re looking through the prism of yourself, you don’t have kids, you don’t have to think about going to a 10-hour job, you have tons of time and so on. I say, you have to do it so that you give even half an hour to people, but in that half an hour they don’t have to wave their wrist, but they get their whole body moving like nowhere else. And that was my biggest mission, and it is exactly my biggest mission, to reach every person who can sit in front of the TV, do a 30-minute workout, and even if they don’t have time, I even have 10-minute versions, to hit every damn centimeter of the body and feel really fucking great, you know? To simply feel fucking great. But if there is a person who wants to be like Ido Portal and know everything, I am a guy who, for example, you know, jumps into something full throttle, I can afford that, I want that. If I want to be able to do everything with my body, okay, if there is a person who also wants to do that, cool, no problem. Do yourself one, two, three training programs. You’ll have three hours, four hours a day for training, and you can do it, you understand? Right? But the priority is to reach people who have those 30, 40 minutes a day and they can get everything out of it that they can, right? And that is my smallest mission. That’s it, right? No, forget it. >> Yeah, as I hear you talking about it. And what do you think about people from your old environment who might say, well, Borys has gone off the deep end or gotten attached to something? >> Well, you know what, no one has said that to me yet. Not face to face, but with the guys, when I look at them, they understand me, right? And that’s also something wonderful, that they don’t even try to pull me away from this, and it’s really, really great. They get this path, and they kind of understand my way of thinking, and they know that many things work out for me that I come up with, things that shouldn’t happen. So it’s okay. And, you know, of course there are guys who also want to take a little sip and take something for themselves. I generally think that there should be a separate person in every sports club—I’m not just talking about combat sports—for warm-ups, because obviously there is the main sport discipline, right, that we focus on and that is your work, but the warm-up should be directed in such a way as to simply develop the whole body each time, and in a different way. And it’s not just a matter of movement, because, coming back a bit to the beginning of our conversation, every guy, every man should open up that sphere that he should also integrate within himself, where you, in my opinion, are also a great example. A man who comes from hard, brutal combat sports has no problem talking about deeper layers of human existence, about various insights into himself that cause him to be able to perceive a layer of life that can lead him to that life that is somehow destined for him. That should be the task of each of us, regardless of gender. We men are often closed off to this sphere, and often we just throw it into a bag—that’s for the crazy ones, that’s for the detached ones. Whatever label we stick on it, but that element in which each of us can open up to such knowledge, it seems to me that more and more people are asking themselves such questions. >> More and more, more and more people are not ashamed to talk about it, right? That’s right. And that’s, you know, a strong thing—to also admit a mistake, for example, because how many people have chosen some path, and it’s clearly not the path for them, but they don’t allow that voice in and are ashamed to admit to others: "Damn, I messed up?" Right? That’s not the path, it was supposed to be different. Only, for example, it doesn’t work, it doesn’t work, and they stubbornly hold on to that one path. Because after all, it’s not proper. Especially since I’m a guy, you know, and it was supposed to be that way, right? And that’s exactly it, that, damn, maybe it wasn’t supposed to be that way. If everything were that simple, we would all live the way we dreamed. But it’s not like that, right? >> Mhm. >> You have to twist a bit to finally get on the straight path. >> Mhm. >> You know where I saw your biggest change in this context? Besides one interview you gave, also primarily your book, because you didn’t write about those topics in the book, but that also shows your side of change, where you matured into a role—I don’t know, I’ll use some word creation—like a modern Viking, such a real fighter, but also a fighter who not only takes care of the physical aspect, the bodily aspect, relationships, but also that aspect where you answer key questions in life about your own existence. Who you are, on what principles this world functions, so that I can simply understand it better. That also shows your transformation. What was it in 2023 when you were finishing writing the book, and who you are in 2026? >> Well, a little bit changed, as I said, in the good direction. Uh, in the book, also referring to that, I didn’t want to touch on such topics at all because it was dedicated mainly to—let’s say, to everyone curious about fights, but mainly to young fighters who want to enter that fight, and I unintentionally really put a dot on the i by publishing that book. What dot on the i? >> The end of my career. I didn’t know about it, but I swear, the moment I published it, I felt that it was the end, that it was a stamp and something I leave behind. So I don’t leave anything for myself, I only leave a book that young fighters can draw from and implement some things to become better. Because as someone often says, for example, well, what, wouldn’t you like to have your own club? You’ve devoted your whole life to it, don’t you want to go further? I honestly feel that it’s a bit too small, and that’s why I like, for example, the online version. Why too small? Because now, if I wrote a book and, let’s say, 1000 guys take many things from it, you know, they read some chapters, right? And it helps in their careers. Then I don’t even have to know them. And how nice it is that those 1000 young guys somewhere, I help them, let’s say, in their careers. That’s a great feeling. No, I don’t have to have that club, where that many people wouldn’t pass through, but I have in this way, so to speak, I show that little light: take it and go. And the same with this Dojo now. I also feel something like that: I don’t have a club, but my club is thousands of people I will reach and whose lives will improve. And here I feel something like that, a stronger agency, right? Mm. So a final word, uh, if you had to add one chapter to your book today, what would be in it? >> Oh no, one. [laughs] Okay, >> That’s exactly it, that quite a few chapters would have to appear. Otherwise, regarding a book on combat sports, as of today I wouldn’t add anything. No, it’s just that now that book would have to be about a completely different subject, and then I would add a bit. Okay. [laughs] >> So that means you’ve thought about a second book, a second volume? >> And you know what, definitely not yet. >> Or a version 2.0 for advanced professionals who are over 30 and looking for something more from life. >> Well, if they’re looking for something more from life, they don’t come to Dojo, but [laughs] but if it comes to such a book, I won’t hide it, maybe someday one will appear, but I think it’s certainly not the time. Just as I did a lot of work in MMA, now I would have to do a lot of work in other life aspects, and then when I do that work, maybe then such a book will appear, right? >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> Okay, come on, one more chapter, because no, we have to go through this >> At least one. >> Uh, damn, about thought-forms. >> About thought-forms? What do you mean? >> About thought-forms? Remember that, as they say about the law of attraction and so on, you know, those done-to-death topics, but me, looking at my whole life, where I say very often subconsciously, and later consciously, when I think about how many things have happened in my life only because you started thinking intensely about them, about something really transferring into reality, that could also be taken seriously. And now, for example, not for a book, but for one chapter, yes, that I could give from my own example how many things have happened in my life only because I thought about them intensely. It’s unbelievable. And yes, and now I’ll add to that, [laughs] >> because before the podcast I told Cyprian, you know what, I don’t even know if you invited me or I invited myself here, I had no idea what you meant >> and the guy says to me, well, no, I invited you. I said, okay, let’s leave that topic for later, and basically if you hadn’t asked that question, we wouldn’t be talking about it now, right? Now imagine, this is a total hit. As you know, I haven’t fought in a very long time. I don’t fight, and officially everywhere I say I don’t want to fight, right? And now, I’m driving in my car and I think to myself, damn, okay, I’m building this Tas Dojo. I would like to tell more people about it in some way, right? That you know, it’s not just you looking on Instagram and seeing Borys moving around, but it’s really something that can improve their lives, right? And I think, damn, I could use a podcast, actually, right? I think to myself, but what podcast, you know, when I have no fights, nothing, then who will invite me to a podcast? That’s pointless, right? And now listen further, so I’m driving in that car, and this time it was a bit different, consciously, because now look at what was happening with transferring reality and all other books of that type: you are supposed to visualize your desired goal, right? So let’s say we focus on what is today, but in the background there is always that you want to be someone, for example, right? And let’s say. I want to be like the Polish Ido Portal, let’s say, who has 100,000 users on Tas Dojo, right? And I think, damn, but how do I visualize that, it’s so weak. Well, pay attention, I visualized it by not listening to any other podcast actually, only yours, because I’m into those topics you constantly discuss here and I’m very interested. So on all my trips—and I do go to seminars and so on—I always play some podcast and then think about it. So I’m driving and I visualize what? I visualize that I’m sitting at Cyprian’s and Cyprian is asking me questions about Tas Dojo, and I say, okay, you know, if Cyprian invites me to his podcast and asks me about Tas Dojo and says how is it that this is such a success, that it’s so fucking great, then I’m already visualizing that I made it, and that was, I don’t know, two years ago, and I drive and think, okay, I want to tie this to myself, and I imagine that you ask me such a question and I answer it to you, like for example, you know what I mean, something real. Now, going further, and this is really a mega visualization, real. Try it. And now, for example, if I wanted—because I don’t have such material visualizations actually—but I wanted to hear something like this: "Borys, how did it happen?" Or imagine, for example, that 10,000 people stand in front of you, moving like super agile monkeys and so on. You lead them. That’s also a nice visualization, but much easier. I see Cyprian, whom I listen to all the time on this radio, right? And he says to me: "Borys, how did it happen that those 10,000 people say it’s so fucking great [laughs] in Tas Dojo?" Easy to visualize, right? And listen, that’s how it goes, and I think, well, and that podcast would also be useful. I think for some time, I tell Danusia about it, some time passes, I check my email, and there is an invitation to a podcast, one, another, from that guy Adam, plus some smaller ones, and I think, damn, at the same time, you know, even some tiny podcasts, but I say to myself, wait, wait, if I threw this out into the universe, right? And now I get an obvious [laughs] response, that suddenly they invite me to podcasts that theoretically make no sense at all, right? So I can’t, I can’t refuse, right? And I say, okay, here I accepted, here I accepted, here I wrote, I say, okay. And there were two or three where I said, gentlemen, wait, I’ll reply, because I left them a bit in the dark, but I say, damn, but if I wanted to, then I would want to be at Cyprian’s actually, right? So, okay, I wait. I go on Instagram and what can I release? "Borys, I think we could talk about something." Look, I go to Dąsia. Look, attention. [laughs] No. And you know, even that, you know, I’m here with you and we’re chatting. Plus I have so many podcasts where, you know, I say I have no fights, nothing, and it’s happening, that’s incredible. No >> And I’ll tell you, I got a hint in my head, somewhere you probably released some material, and I was actually following your path. Besides, we exchanged messages a few times on Instagram, and I’ll tell you, I listened to our conversation from two years ago on 100% MMA, and I set a goal for today in this conversation: I know that this is a guy with whom today we wouldn’t even talk about a single word about MMA, and I knew that this would just be a great conversation, because I knew where you are and I exactly felt what you have in your head. Damn, it’s fucking great that when you want to achieve something, you know you don’t have to ask, you know, beg, plead, you just order like in a restaurant, right? And I heard a ping, like someone might have ordered, you know? And you know, you knocked, [laughs] and I answered. No, >> I even, I’ll tell you honestly, I started looking at it like that: I could have even sent you a voice message. "Hey Cyprian, maybe we could talk?" But I said no, I don’t say that, I send that thought, and it will be—no, but the best part is that for the first period I didn’t even think about being at your place, I just thought about those questions that were easy for me to picture in my head, that visualization of the achieved goal, right? And that was something phenomenal, and it was very easy to do. So if you, our listeners, for example fighters, then imagine yourselves driving to Cyprian’s and talking about how you won the FC belt, for example. Easy, mega easy. [laughs] >> Fucking great, we end on that note. Borys, >> thank you >> very much. Thank you. >> The channel's partner is XTB, a Polish investment app used by over 2.5 million people worldwide. By registering with the code Cyprian, you can get a finance management course from scratch. Spend hours in front of the screen? Choose Defender. Glasses with blue light filter. Order 20% cheaper with the code Cyprian20. Perfect cutting is taken care of by Gentlemen Barbershop. 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