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If you're going to take out uh hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of loans, you might as well invest it into surgery rather than going to school.
What if you could be a plastic surgeon?
And by the way, bad paper. You can actually get college loans and use it for surgery. Um, so this is a method.
So I've been I've been telling people, yeah, you can literally do that. So just mis misappropriating the funds, it's really not going to get you in that much trouble and you'll mog. So you'll be able to [laughter] to sort of get out of it. [music] [music] >> [music] >> mighty. [music]
Welcome to a very special episode of the Adam Freedelland Show. It's Adam Freedelland. We're going to get right into it. My guest this week is controversial kick streamer and looks maxer Clavvicular. That guy Clavvicular has enjoyed quite the meteoric rise over the last six months. Thanks in part to a series of live stream controversies that have put him on the social radar of anyone and everyone that has a social media feed.
I wonder if our parents. You think our parents see it?
My mom is.
Your mom knows New York Times.
Cuz your mom's horny.
Bro.
Bro, chill. Okay. Now, I'm no fan of the things this young man has said about various groups like women, the LGBT community, and especially Jews.
What has he? I didn't know that.
You didn't know that?
Yeah. What does he say about?
It's not again, we'll talk about it later.
But the bad ones, right?
The bad Jews. [laughter] But I think it's important to view clavvicular as a symptom, a symptom of something much deeper, something much darker perhaps, a cultural virus that has plagued the country, the world perhaps for the last decade. And I'm talking about, of course, I don't have to say it, but none other than video game player and pickup artist extraordinaire Hassan [ __ ]. Our younger generation has grown up idealizing this man who uses a pre-ternatural fashion sense as a tool for sexual persuasion. [laughter] How many times have you seen young men at the store or perhaps the mall wearing this exact outfit attempting to mold themselves into a man who's quite frankly an anti-semite, anti-semite of the year, mind you, a man who views women as workers [laughter], a man who live streams everything he does, makes it about politics. A man who's not even as big as his dog. Folks, I'm hoping this interview will be a wakeup call for everyone who's watching it to stop supporting the monster Husten Peakare. So, please enjoy my interview with Cle [ __ ] hell. Jesus Christ. But he can use a phone. Why is he using that? Anyway, so please enjoy my interview with Clavicular, everyone. [applause] It's going to be a good one. I think it'll be a good one.
Ladies and gentlemen, the number one streamer on the uh kick. Give it up for Clavicular. EVERYONE, [cheering and applause]
WELCOME. Thanks for having dude.
Uh, how you doing? You're in New York City.
Doing great, man.
You're enjoying it.
It's a little cold for me, but honestly, like I'm 38 years old and I'm like learning about Looks Maxing and stuff like uh like I do a lot of research for the show and I feel like uh I just feel so like a boomer. I feel like so foreign from uh the youth of today. I I feel like it's I'm learning like a new [ __ ] language or something like that.
Right? Yeah. All of the terms are quite comical, but you know, you're not in your own world with not knowing about this whole Looks Max thing. It's kind of a new thing that's popped up over the past few months, I would say, to the mainstream.
Right.
Uh, it's been.
But it it existed in forums for years, right?
Right. Yeah. No, it's been around for years and it had sort of a explosion on TikTok back in 2023 where like the kids knew about it, but now it's kind of pushing to X and like, you know, people in your demographic a little bit.
So So [laughter] shut up, dude. What does that mean? Demograph my what is it? What is my demographic?
Old cells.
Old cells. Yeah.
What does that mean? A celibacy.
Just like.
I get [ __ ] Shut the [ __ ] up. I get mad [ __ ] Even when I was poor.
That's just one of the terms that we use as well.
My sexual market value is just through the roof.
We'll just add cell to the end of a descriptor. So really just old cell.
So what is your role in this ecosystem? How would you define your the place that you exist within that?
Uh, I would say I'm kind of the cultural leader uh in the Lux Maxing world, you know. Because not a lot of people are are super well-versed. You know, they're not willing to, you know, go the distance, do whatever it takes kind of to ascend through any and every mechanism out there available to them. So, I was like, okay, let's, you know, take this to its logical conclusion, you know, with biohacking, with uh, you know, whatever, you know, form of ascension necessary.
Yeah. Are there other like are there ops that are trying to come for that number one spot? Do you have to defend the the throne?
Uh, not that I know about.
Are you the hottest guy? Is that what you're saying?
No, no, no. Well, that's just uh.
You just know the most about looks back.
Right? Well, that's that's the goal of the game, right? Is to mog other people, right?
Tell tell the the uh boomer cells about what that is.
So, mogging is essentially just, you know, outperforming them, looking better than them, and just sort of dominating, right? It came from uh something called amogg, which was alpha male of the group. Then it was shortened to just mog. So that's kind of like the term we use uh when someone is just like outshining another person in like a photo or whatever. So if that comes along and happens to me, right, that's just kind of like almost biblical, you know.
Have you been mogged by another by another man?
I've definitely been mogged. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. How does it feel to get mogged?
It's not a great feeling.
It feels [laughter] bad.
Feel bad.
It's just like that a guy is more beautiful than you or.
Just uh it could be through, I don't know, a whole plethora of different things. Maybe they have more money than you. Uh, they could money m you. They could status mo you.
Okay. Do you only chill with handsome guys?
No, I know. I I chill with.
You have normie friends?
I do have normie friends.
And what's your perception of those guys that they're like uh you feel bad for them?
Um, I try not to think about it too much, but [laughter] it's kind of just like a the only thing that I'm kind of talking about when I discuss, you know, looks maxing and the importance of looks is um, you know, you could try your hardest not to acknowledge someone being ugly or good-looking, but at the end of the day, it's a subconscious bias that everyone's going to have, and it's unavoidable, right? So, just because I know the exact facial ratios that make someone good-looking or not good-looking, it doesn't mean that everyone doesn't instinctually know them already.
It makes sense to me the basic premise that society rewards attractiveness, right?
Yes. Yeah.
Correct.
It's kind of obvious, right?
Uh-huh.
Yeah. Do you think it's like a revolutionary concept? Because it's like a you're just saying something that's always existed, right?
Right. Yeah. No, I think it's quite logical and um that's why I would say that most of my messaging is so wellreceived is because it seems to me so beyond obvious that you're better looking uh you have better treatment in almost every aspect of life.
And this is something that's also quite well researched, right? You know, you look at prison sentencing for good-looking people versus people who are less attractive. It's quite clear that it's a huge advantage to have in life.
Do you think you beat the case recently because you're a hottie?
No comment.
No comment. [laughter] But did you like you you pumped before you walked into the the courthouse?
No, I didn't pump.
Did you wear something [ __ ] so the judge could see?
Uh, no. I was fixing my hair in the that one mirror [laughter] like the the curved one. Yeah. In the courthouse.
I would throw your ass away for for life personally. Yeah.
Ugly jail. I'd send you to ugly jail.
Brutal.
I'm just playing, I'm just playing, dog. Uh, wait. So, you came with your boys? That's your camera guy?
Uh, temporary.
Why? You're about to fire him.
No, no, no. My my other uh.
What's your name? Come up and say say what up to the crowd or to the audience.
Yeah.
Yours?
Yeah. Yeah. Say, come up and say hi.
Yeah. Say name, age, uh body count.
Yeah.
Yeah. You don't have a body count.
I'm yours. Um.
21 and body count like lower double digits. Something like that.
Lower double digits. Like 10.
I don't I don't really count.
Lower double digits is a bizarre way to say that. [laughter] Well, double digits implies like 50s. So, that's too high.
Yeah.
Okay. So, what what's your body count?
I don't count.
Do you guys ever run two mans together or.
No, not yet. Not yet.
Not yet. One day.
One man's like threesome.
Yeah. Yeah. One day like a devil's three-way with you and your in the W shot right now. Okay. Sorry. Uh, I'm just playing. Let's get back into you. I I want to like cuz it's been like really [ __ ] fast your ascent, right?
That's right.
Mr. B says you're about to be the number one guy. I saw a clip. Yes. He said that if he were to invest in any content creator who's up and coming, it would be myself. I'm not really too sure what that means, but.
It sounds like a little bit sinister.
Maybe a little bit, but.
Dude, that guy kind of tortures poor people, don't you think?
I don't know too much about that. That's been speculated. No, I think people just kind of call into question stuff about some of the budgeting maybe not being the greatest.
What does that mean, though?
So, they're doing like the the team water thing, right, in Africa where it's like a charity project.
Yeah. For Africa.
The wells and people were like is $40 million really necessary.
And you know personally I have no idea how any cost for the wells.
And well, that's what people are speculating. I have no [ __ ] idea quite honestly. I don't think anyone has any idea how much it costs to, you know, run a a water project [snorts] in Africa.
The interesting thing that you talk about is kind of like how economy that you were presented with at your age. The world that you were promised wasn't a better future, right? Uh, like how would you explain that?
So essentially what I always say is um, you know, looks maxing is just another version of self-improvement.
Yeah.
And I'm simply stating that in terms of ascending your sexual market value, which means, you know, how valued you are uh by women, how easily you're going to succeed in the dating market. It's a lot easier to improve your looks uh and improve your SMV by that metric than it is to overcome, you know, certain disparities with your finances or improving your status.
Because what needs to be accomplished is so much greater than people could ever imagine to have equal results, right? So, it's like let's say you ascend to making even seven figures a year. Sounds like an incredible number and it is.
When you're a kid, you're like that's the most money ever.
True. Real. I mean, especially when you live in big cities.
Uh, so that's the thing, right? People get to these like insanely uh good milestones and then they're expecting these results and they're not coming.
Like getting [ __ ] or like.
Well, the fact of the matter is uh looks are valued a lot greater in these big cities with how [ __ ] the economy is. That that's really not getting you as far as you think. You know.
You could just also just move to New York because there's like so many gay guys that there's just more straight women than straight guys. It's a hack. Or you could just look. Max.
Have you seen Seinfeld before?
No.
George Cassanza was like on dates with 11s. And it's real. It's real. That's actually what happens.
Oh no.
For any of the pop culture references, we are 20 years apart. [clears throat]
No. [laughter]
You don't know any shows or movies?
Not uh not like anything before like 2015.
So like Transformers like four.
No.
No.
I think that's.
What's your favorite movie?
Favorite movie. Oh, that's a tough one.
Where's Jester? Movies are jester or.
Movies are kind of jester and sports.
Like.
Sports is. Oh, you hate sports.
Yeah, movies I could, you know, put up with every once in a while.
What's What's the best one?
[sighs] Let me think. The most enjoyable movie.
Dude, you got to not go back to Miami. Just come chill with me and the lads tonight.
And just watch movies.
Have you seen Moneyball?
I have. That's a good.
So us. That movie.
So Us. Have you seen it? The I love it.
Yeah, I like the uh the movie Limitless. You kind of are a limitless style guy.
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Is that kind of what having like a stack is is like being limit Justin Timberlake or the guy in Limitless?
Uh, Bradley.
Bradley.
Cooper. Cooper, right? Yeah. So it kind of feels that way when you first start taking uh stimulants a little bit.
For me, I just write long emails to people that I haven't talked to in four years. [laughter]
So you grew up outside the city, Hoboken?
Yes.
Um, and you you've been stay with your family.
Uh, yeah.
Are you close with them?
Yeah, I talk to them uh a fair bit. Just online usually. I haven't seen them in person for about a year before this week.
You talk to them online? What do you mean?
Like just over the phone.
Oh, that's on the phone. That's not online.
Yeah.
Uh, you have a sister, younger sister?
I do.
Are you close with her?
Yeah.
Yeah. How many years apart?
Um, she is turning 16.
So, four years. Yeah.
Me and my sister are four years.
Okay. Yep.
Yeah. We got to [ __ ] protect our our sisters.
Indeed.
Yeah. My sister's my dog. We're like very close. You like Springsteen.
Uh, who?
Bruce Springsteen. He's like New Jersey. He's like a rocker.
Dude, I got to put him on a songs. I got to put him on a movies.
We got a movie max and song Max at some point. The two of us as dogs. Your parents are also uh uh they're bodybuilders. Is that right?
Back in the day before I was born. You know.
They were competitive like Mr. Olympia.
Uh, no, not that like that. That's the top of the top competition. Yeah. You know, just uh local stuff, you know.
Yeah. Jersey.
My mom.
Yeah. Your mom was?
Yeah. Not my dad.
You had a jacked mom?
Yeah. Before I was born.
Whoa. I wonder what it would be like to have a jack. What was it like to have a jacked mom?
I don't know.
You don't know?
Was your mom was Oh, before you were born.
Yeah. Yeah.
Were you You had hot parents?
Uh, that's kind of a weird [laughter] question. I had a hot mom and a disgusting father. Yeah, [laughter]
I'm fine saying it. It's I I did the measurements on their eyes and stuff.
Okay.
Yeah. Did your dad teach you how to work out?
No, I kind of just figured it out on my own. Uh, cuz we had a home gym that I would just dick around in when I was growing up and then I got my first gym membership. Um, and kind of would just watch like, you know, various.
Rich Piana.
Rich. Yes.
Yeah. He was a night. He was a psycho. I loved him.
Yeah, I loved Rich, too. Unfortunately, um, 99% of the [ __ ] he was doing is uh the complete opposite of what the literature suggests.
I can't believe it. I can't believe that he was doing this. [laughter] Rest in peace, you [ __ ] god.
He was a great guy, but his mentality.
Did he die from steroids or.
Can you die from steroids?
It come It definitely had a a role in uh his passing unfortunately, but You can die from steroids. Yes. It's putting a strain on your organs, you know. So.
Uh, when I talk about steroids and testosterone usage, it's, you know, put into the same category as these bodybuilding guys who are are dying, you know, prematurely, but it's not a binary thing, right? It's extremely dose dependent. So, when you're talking about TRT or slightly above that, that's not comparable with bodybuilders who are us using about, you know, 10 or 20 times the dosage.
Your dick get smaller or your balls?
Your balls.
Your balls get smaller.
Yes, but.
It kind of makes your dick look bigger. Probably.
Correct. Yeah, it's about proportionality. Yeah.
It's probably true. Yeah.
I should do Dude, I have long balls.
How? Wait, what?
Nothing. Uh, when did you swipe your V? Like 11? Probably.
No, 16.
16. All right, that's a responsible age.
Mhm.
Yeah.
So, you got into Looks Maxing prior to to getting chicks. Yeah. Was that a motivation? Those like message boards?
That was, but you know that wasn't necessarily the only thing I was thinking about at the time. It was more just like an objective this will improve the quality of my life mentality.
Yeah.
And that was just one of the results of that, I guess you could say.
When did you start? Like 14.
Yeah.
Okay. Were you in COVID lockdown?
I was.
Yeah.
Yeah. Well, that was when I was a eighth grade and freshman.
This [ __ ] sucks.
Yeah. You had to like be at home with your parents the whole time.
Yeah.
If I like couldn't see my friends every day, it would just [ __ ] suck.
Yeah. So, you got like you were online a lot during lockdown.
Yeah. Yeah. I was uh I was definitely uh on the internet probably 14 hours a day.
Yeah.
Yep. Video games, whatever.
We don't talk about it enough like culturally about how that sucked for kids.
Yeah. I don't really think it was uh that bad for most people, not going to lie. Especially this generation. I think uh a lot of people just got to sit on their Xbox all day and not have to do any school work. I don't really think that anyone was uh too upset by the whole process.
But it probably like made it hard like to be like socialized, right? Like.
Well, I wasn't doing that anyway.
Were you a loader growing up?
Yeah.
Yeah. Your obsession prior to looks back was Nerf guns.
Um, no. This just one.
What's that all about?
That was one when I was like, you know, eight or nine years old.
How many Nerf guns do you have?
Not anymore.
Come on, dude. You talk about it, dude. We all.
I said it one time, but that's good research.
Yeah, I know everything about you, dog.
Wait, did you get obsessed with things growing up? Was that like an aspect of your personal?
Yeah, that was kind of the point I was I was trying to make.
Yeah. You know.
What other things were you obsessed with?
Um, I was pretty obsessed with like GTA 5, I would say.
Obviously, fire.
I rotted on that for hours a day, like minimum 10 hours every single day during.
Co.
So, uh, it' just be that kind of stuff, just getting super hyperfixated, random [ __ ].
Yeah.
So.
I think that's pretty normal. Video games for kids.
Yeah, I guess. But just only playing one thing for.
I have no idea.
I play sports games cuz I'm cool.
Okay. Yeah.
Yeah. FIFA 2K.
Yeah. I wish I was that cool. [laughter]
I don't trust a guy that doesn't like sports. Honestly, you can't trust a guy that doesn't like sports. You can't trust a guy that doesn't goes on seven dick appointments a week. Do you have seven dick appointments a week? That would suck. It's a lonely feeling actually being one of those guys.
What's that?
Nothing, [laughter]
Bro. What do you guys You Is your camera guy? Do you guys Are you roommates?
Yeah.
Yep.
Where? Bickl.
No, thank God.
Where do you Where do you live in Miami?
Um, just no comment. But not not.
Yeah. I don't want to talk. Yeah.
I would say that Bickl is probably the worst place that you could possibly live if you're an influencer, you know.
Because it's all influencers. It's all wannabe influencers who want to stop you for a street interview when you're trying to get a coffee in the morning.
Yeah. Like do one of those things. Yeah.
Yeah. What's your would you would you let your girl get get a train run if you know that's what they always say, right?
Yeah. For.
For a million dollars. And I'm like obviously I would let I do it for free. Yeah. I I guess like what's the genesis behind like the boards? Did it grow out of like incel and pua [ __ ] Like was that right?
Yeah.
Did you did you interact with that kind of [ __ ]?
That was before my time. That was kind of when I was like born was when it was like all conceptualized on the internet.
So the genesis behind it was like if you're involuntary celibate. You're like I'm actually not going to accept this. I'm going to become a like piece of ass and then I'll get girls.
That was the idea behind it. It was more so like identifying.
Thing in the world. I think it was more so just identifying why people were in cell and then it kind of transitioned to okay how could we fix this now?
Uh, have you ever been in love?
Um, that's a tough question. You know I.
It's awesome. It's the ultimate honestly. It feels great.
But but it feels crazy. It feels like you're taking crazy pills sometimes.
It's like what are we even doing?
Mhm.
I think you've been in love. I I feel like you're capping. That's cap. I can see on your face.
Well, I just said I.
You're love or boy.
You don't know. So, you thought it could be love.
I I have no idea.
Yeah.
Do you think that your your career has has complicated like having like a.
Stable relationship?
Yeah.
For sure.
You had a girlfriend recently?
Uh, yeah.
And was did it make it tough?
Yeah, certainly. It's uh it's kind of not really possible to to do what I do just because of the hours like.
You know, with all this kind of production-oriented stuff where you're kind of running a show. It's a little less time devotion um than like the streams uh like the streaming hours are are beyond brutal and the [ __ ] that I do on stream isn't something that.
Uh most girls would want to.
Yeah.
Be a part of, you know?
Yeah. Like hose like flour. Yeah. From Bickl Bickl style hose. Bickl hose.
Yeah. Trying to do a street interview. The.
Worst. Uh, do you ever worry that you'll be like you'll get so hot that you'll be hotter than your girlfriend?
Uh, cuz.
You don't want to be hotter than your girlfriend.
Why?
Cuz it's like what you want to date? No. You.
That's like typically how how it is in.
Really modern dating. Yeah.
Not for me. Not Not at all, dude. She is an idiot. I can't believe she's she's going to wake up one day and be like, "What the hell have I been uh well, yeah, I I guess there is an aspect of uh uh dating that is uh like courtship, right? Like it's it's not sexy if someone is uh pursuing you, right? Like it's it's more sexy if you have a crush on someone and you want to like, you know, like be charming and get them to like you, right? And women are just outrageously hypergamous.
What does that mean?
Um, it means that they're trying to date above their looks level to a ridiculous degree.
You got to move to New York, dude. You see some of the gargoyles with the [laughter] just 11s. Dude, it's this is a different world.
Well, that's because there's a lot of people in New York who are like.
Gay gay guys.
I was going to say uh money maxers like you know, finance.
Not even.
As a whole, right?
Yeah.
What what is true about women is they are hypergamous. uh they're dating above their looks level. And if they're not, if they're better looking than the guy, it can 99% of the time be attributed to either money or status.
They're way better. It's titties and assets.
That's that's why I don't really understand when people give like, you know, anecdotes on breaking these rules when it's like, yeah, as a whole, we're looking at a society here, not you know, were you able to get with a check who's higher than you?
I don't know. Well, it's just like I it's they like it kind of a little bit if we're like a little ugly sometimes.
No, I just [laughter] I think Yeah, bro. I'm.
Well, you're also a millionaire status.
Billionaire. Billionaire.
Billionaire. Oh, wait. I did see someone is.
Why did they say billionaire? Who tweeted that? That I'm a billionaire.
I don't know. I was like, is that true? [laughter]
Yeah, I'm a billionaire, dude. But uh, you know, as a whole, the these rules are true and these are rules that you.
I don't think they're true, dude. You I think you're making up rules.
No, I don't think so.
I'm telling you, dude. All my friends girlfriends are hotter than them.
Are your friends rich?
Stephen Steven's roster. Stephen, no. Not at all.
Back me up, Stephen. And that's another common cope is people just don't know how to properly rate uh individuals attractiveness because they'll score women a lot higher because it's like, yeah.
Hot. Exactly. But.
When you actually know the objective measurements, it doesn't become about sexual attraction. It's about mathematics and you're able to be a lot more analytical with, you know, rating people.
But what's sexy about math?
Uh, well, it's about figuring out attractiveness. need to know the math on a pair of tits, you know.
Well, it's about it's about the faces. And at the end of the day.
Yeah.
You see a girl, you think she's hot. It's the same, but we're just trying to identify why, you know, why you have that subconscious instinct, you know? But why? What makes a face good? What makes a face bad? That's the kind of stuff that I'm just explaining to people.
Because I I think girls are hot. I sometimes get horny for them.
There you go. Well, we're just.
I've been horny for them. For them my whole life, dude. Even before I can bust, dude. I've been warning for them. Anyway, let's not get carried away. Can you break it down for me? So, what are these measurements and like how have they is it crowdsourced? Is it like the community's kind of determined like uh.
They do a lot of stuff PSL.
Yeah.
Okay.
So, it comes from a a bunch of different sources. You know, even something like the midface ratio tracks back to ancient Greece, but a lot of it is, you know, attractiveness surveys, um, scientists determining what is the most, uh, ideal measurement, right? And you take all these measurements and you come up with a total facial harmony score. And that kind of is able to be gauged on how attractive someone is. There's other things that play a role like phenotype um, you know, and if you were to extend it to just the full body and and height and frame things like that. Um, so there's a lot that goes into it, but it's all very objective.
And this is kind of something that's like the community has debated and kind of like uh.
It's not like that makes it sound like it's just a bunch of autists on forums kind of debating numbers.
I'm not saying that.
Well, no, I know. I'm just.
There's no like guru. There's no like Ross Jeff who's.
Not like one guy's opinion. Um, you know, it's all very well researched.
Do you know who Ross Jeff is?
I don't.
He's like the first pickup artist guy in when when we were 15. My friend Tommy was like, "Dude, I'm sick of not fucking." I was like, "We all are, dude. We're" And he's like, "I downloaded these lectures from Kazah of this guy Ross Jeff." And I was like, "What?" Like, you're not going to get [ __ ] from lectures. And he [ __ ] at school like 3 days later. Literally at school.
Literally, it was the most amazing thing I've ever seen. And then he started dating that girl and uh he saved her in his phone as [ __ ] [ __ ].
It was rude. Quite rude. So, just explain to me what like the PSL kind of like in a layman's terms because I I'm like not very smart, but like.
Well, PSL was uh.
There's four categories.
Sorry.
It's a eight point scale, right?
Right.
Yeah.
So, how is that determined?
Um, so that's just a a different rating system that came from the community and those are just PSL is three like lookism oriented forums and you know like pickup artist type things. So the idea behind it is that there's no there's no such thing as a 10 and the highest rating was an eight. Now it's kind of been skewed to match the decile scale. So it's not completely what it.
Was decile scale.
Like out of 10.
Out of 10. Oh yeah.
So people will kind of just try to like make it translatable when that was never really the intention. There was a reason there was no nine and 10 included in the scale, you know. So that's kind of just what it comes down to.
What are the three categories?
The three categories.
You said there were three standards in.
No, it's just three forums that PSL stands for.
What was that? What does it stand for?
Uh, pickup artist hate, um, [ __ ] hate, and lookism.
[ __ ] hate.
Yeah.
What do they say? Just [ __ ] girls. The whole.
Well, that's what the forum was called.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Who was on the boards? Was it like kids your age?
Now it is. Yeah. Now it's often people who are a little bit younger.
Yeah.
Um.
Are there girls on there? Sometimes there will be girls who who try to like LAR their way into the community when it's meant to be a maledominated space uh or just like a male space in general because women have uh just an exponentially easier time living life and sort of getting away with whatever the [ __ ] they want. So, you know, you give them like this whole looks max avenue now to make things even easier. It's just uh I don't know may mix the playing board kind of.
But haven't they they've been look back maxing for a long time now.
Yeah. But not makeup properly.
Not properly.
Yeah.
So wait there's correct me if I'm wrong. There's normie for guys, right?
Low tier, mid-tier, high tier normie. Yes.
And then there's Chad.
Turbo Chad. Giga Chad.
Chad Light. Chad.
Chad Light.
Yeah.
What? What? What are you?
I don't rate myself.
We're like giga. No.
Yeah. Sure. We're like giga. Yeah.
Yeah.
People don't understand what it's like for us to be. [laughter]
It's true.
Yeah. Is your philosophy that like one can make themsself into uh Chad.
If they want?
No.
So, genetics are going to play uh a huge role in everything and what's able to be accomplished. But, you know, anyone can improve their their lux [snorts] to a pretty significant degree if they're willing to do sort of whatever it takes and go with that mentality.
Yeah.
But obviously your base where you start out is going to determine a lot.
Uhhuh.
You know, so you might look smack your entire life, do everything properly.
But if you're someone who just does not have the genetic base to allow for you to be a Chad or anything, you might be a little disappointed.
Yeah. How do you conceive of yourself prior to like going on this transformation? Like what do you think of that kid?
No, I'd say it's like a very like linear process to look Max. It's not like a you know where you leave your cocoon or whatever like a butterfly or some sort of metamorphosis. It's very slow and steady. So I don't really think you change your, you know, view on on anything.
Yeah. Had you not looked Max, you you think you'd still be a hot guy? You probably would though.
Uh, I would say that, you know, obviously your genetics are going to play the biggest role in everything, but.
But you have it, right?
I don't think I would be as as good-looking. No.
Not as But like you'd still be a hot guy.
Uh, it's just I don't know.
But not as hot. I it really is hard to to pinpoint exactly how much you know some of the different interventions would have played a role or you know where I would have got to.
I know you said you wanted to get double job and you're not going to do it now. What's double?
I still want to do it but there's just been a lot of things just advances uh your upper maxilla and your lower mandible.
Uh, did you just get your mouth is like like print out?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just move the jaw.
Turkey. You're going to Turkey?
Yeah. There's just a lot of complications with travel right now that I'm not going to get into.
You're on the no fly list.
No. No.
Nothing like that.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We got to go to Turkey.
Yeah.
Yeah. I'll get I get rhinoplasty.
There you go.
Actually, I like my nose. I used to not like it.
Okay. [laughter] I like it. The other thing was leg uh breaking.
Yeah, that was kind of just like a thought experiment. I think people didn't really understand what I was getting at was uh the reason I was talking about sort [clears throat] of the ling uh limb lengthening stuff was just about ROI. And then I kind of started popping off in another area which was, you know, social media status money. And I realized that the ROI was not, you know, not worth it anymore in terms of like ascending my SMB. I was able to just leverage something else.
Yeah. How tall are you now?
6'2.
Yeah. So that's the goal at the end of the day is uh to maximize SMV. And if you could do do so through other areas, you know, go for it.
Yeah. That's true. Um, but at the end of the day, that's going to be incredibly difficult for someone to have like the status ascension I did, right? Where it makes it comparable.
Can I ask you a question? Is it like looks maxi a means of like avoiding like it's called gesturing, but like just like uh chat chatting like or like flirting with girls if you're like so hot you don't have to talk to them.
Yeah, it certainly makes it easier to be a dumbass.
To not talk to girls.
Yep. Also just about like when I was like a 16 like just being so afraid if a girl doesn't want to kiss me back like just like like wanting to kiss a chick and like how nauseating you feel at that age and like uh had that been postme too it probably would have been even scarier, right?
I've never had to.
I I'm just saying like is does that make it scarier like does that make dating or like or gender relation like relating to women scarier.
For for guys you're rich.
No.
No.
Me too.
I've never had any issues.
I'm not saying you got me too. No. No. You're not listening to me. I'm saying that it creates a fear. Kids are having less sex now.
That is true. Yeah. There's a lot of statistics about this.
Um, young men are are I'm pretty sure two-thirds of of young men 18 through 21 haven't had sex in uh 6 months. So, it's, you know, it's quite brutal. Yeah.
That's crazy. I guess like let's let's go into like your fame, right? Like it's been rapid.
Correct?
Uh, what has it been like to like to become a famous person very quickly?
Um, well, I want don't want to use a term famous, just kind of well-known, maybe infamous even.
Famous. Famous. Say it. Say it with your chest.
No, not yet. Hopefully one day. But um.
You get more famous. Well, you're very.
I've kind of been doing social media for a little bit longer than people realize because I just started streaming and you know going super mainstream, but I had been posting and and doing content for uh about a year now. So.
Yeah.
Which I guess in you know the grand scheme of things for social media that's still you know relatively short in terms of like career longevity but uh yeah, so the live streaming started in about November was when it kind of took off. So yeah, it's been a quick rise from there but I don't know I've been adapting.
What do you attribute it to?
Uh consistency and it's just it's new. It's fresh. It's content. You know, people are doing the same [ __ ] all the time on Twitch, you know, and no one gives a [ __ ] anymore. It's the same streams. It's like video games. It's just boring, right? But.
I don't watch them.
Exactly. Yeah. No. So, and people are realizing that more and more. So, everyone looks for what's new on the internet, I guess.
Who's your fan base? Who Who's the squad? What do you have a a name for the stands?
Uh, no. No, not not really.
What are they called? Clav Gang.
Uh, yeah. No, no real name.
Really. Is it It's It's a lot of guys. It's a lot of young men.
Surprisingly, it's uh actually pretty split down the middle.
Really?
Yeah. I would say in terms of like my live stream viewership, it would be like mostly men, but.
I have a lot of female fans like, you know.
For being hot.
Yeah.
I don't know. I don't know exactly.
Come on, bro. You're You have a SMV. That's why the the [ __ ] want to Come on.
Yeah. I don't I think it's just from from Tik Tok like would be most of the female audience. Like they're not really interacting with.
These girls right here.
Maybe. Yeah. [laughter]
Tik Tok probably.
Wait. I I felt bad for you when I saw that clip of the Orlando Asian kid. [snorts]
What up, homie?
Yo, you think you can sign my album?
Yeah, I got you, man. Big.
Fan, man.
Yeah, no worries. Deborah, we've been on your ass since the moment you were streaming. Since November.
Oh, hell yeah, dude. Good stuff.
You think we can take a a stream photo?
Yeah, let's do it, man.
All right, bet. All right, on the count of three.
Three, two, one.
Oh my god.
Love you, brother.
That kid stuck sucked. Oh man, that is so annoying when like I'll be just trying to talk to girls and in the bar or whatever, but you know, people want to spam a million photos and it's like I get it and I like all the fans, but if you're dropping game on like a chick IRL, like people will come up and, you know, kind of distract you or whatever. Yeah, a little bit by accident, but.
You know.
How could you even call yourself the Orlando Asian mogger when that guy has clearly mogged no one his entire life? [clears throat] He's a liar. He should call himself the Orlando Asian Liar perhaps.
Yeah. I'm not really sure if that was like a clip farm or or whatnot, but.
Yeah. Yeah. Uh, yeah, I guess like I when I found out about you, it's like um I guess you've had like various controversial moments, but like those have obviously for me as like a [ __ ] middle-aged man, like those are the times that it gets on my like algo, right? Yeah. And do you is there a pressure there? I guess like to like controversy max.
Most content creators uh try to clip farm.
What is clip form?
Like just do stupid [ __ ] to go viral, but a lot of the times like I won't really be thinking too hard when it happens. Yeah. The thing is all those clipping accounts that just went viral for that kind of [ __ ] None of those words are are anything that I even understand myself. Like it's just people making up random [ __ ] cuz they pay clippers based on uh viewership. So they're just writing dumb [ __ ] and like.
They'll put filters [snorts] on your face.
What words are they saying?
Like jester gooning like.
Doesn't like really mean it.
Do you feel like that's making fun of you a little bit?
Um, yeah, I would say so.
Yeah.
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What percentage do you think when you view society are normie versus like Chad or like uh Becky versus Stacy?
>> Uh, well, what percent of people are Chad?
>> Like, like what you view the world?
>> Yeah.
>> You know, 0.1, maybe something.
>> 0.1? Yeah.
>> Yeah. Does, do you, you feel like you occupy that that percentage?
>> No, I don't really like to try to categorize my looks. I I just, you know, want to look better. It's the message.
>> You, you aspire to look, to do looks maxing?
>> Yeah, like I don't really think the whole rating thing for some reason people are goddamn obsessed with figuring out the rating. Ask me for a rating, but dude, just look better. That's that's all you need to worry about.
>> Yeah. When you look at the mirror, do you see the imperfections that you want to correct?
>> Yeah. But it's not like one of those, um, body dysmorphia type of, you know, reactions where I'm just like, can't even leave the house because I like, you know, my midface ratio is off by like one millimeter type thing. And there are people like that.
>> You look good, dude. You, you're fine.
>> There are people like that. I know.
>> Look at these girls. They're sliding out of their chairs right now.
>> So, I know what's suboptimal about my face, but I don't really let it occupy.
>> What is suboptimal about your face?
>> Uh, well, you know, there obviously there's there's plenty of things, right?
>> Dude, you're fire, dude. You know, you plenty of things. What are you talking about, dude?
>> Well, just being like,
>> What am I then? I should kill myself. What? Like, you, suboptimal. You, you look incredible.
>> Well, almost no one has.
>> You look like Superman or something.
>> Well, almost no one has a completely perfect face according to science, right? So you could find things that are flaws on anyone, but you know, some of them will be minor and some people will be, uh, extremely deformed. So it's just like, it's the whole, whole thing's a spectrum, you know, but I don't really think about it too much on a, you know.
>> So I guess like what do you do day-to-day? Like what's your like kind of routine?
>> A lot of it is pharmacology, right? So I.
>> Pharmac, like?
>> Like using pharmaceutical. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So what that would kind of look like is I don't like the endocrine system, which is like your natural testosterone production because just in a modern society, there are so many things that are meant to disrupt this process. So my entire mentality is just don't try to fight it with doing these stupid carnivore diets and wearing like these cotton clothes.
>> It's like, just get off the entire thing and use exogenous hormones.
>> Okay.
>> So that's the first thing that I do is is testosterone. What is that, like a syringe or?
>> Yeah.
>> So that's one. The next thing is going to be, uh, a GLP-1 agonist.
>> What is that?
>> It's, so I use something similar to Ozempic called Retatride.
>> Okay.
>> Uh, and that's a peptide that basically suppresses my appetite, making it difficult to eat. I really think about food too much. And, uh, because being lean is about 70% of what you could accomplish in terms of looks maxing.
>> Yeah. Really. And then the next thing is, you know, hair loss because two-thirds of men by 21 years old are experiencing some form of male pattern baldness. So avoiding that is really going to be something that's crucial to maintaining those looks.
>> I agree.
>> Uh, so taking what's called a five alpha reductase inhibitor. Testosterone converts into dihydrotestosterone through this one enzyme in your body. So you're blocking that process because DHT is going to be a huge problem for your hair.
>> Uh-huh.
>> Right. Causes hair follicle miniaturization.
>> Would you rather lose your hair or your dick? Cuz I would say dick personally.
>> Yeah.
>> [ __ ] I would look terrible without without hair. I look sick.
>> Exactly.
>> Yeah. Yeah. But if you go bald, you could go jacked. You go Bruce Willis kind of.
>> No, that just makes you look like one of those cringe red pill jesters. I feel like.
>> I think those, I think they're jesters, too.
>> Yeah. I kind of just like to refer back to the quote like, hair is life, and if you have no hair, you have no life.
>> Confucius.
>> No, that's actually St. Hoodi.
>> Who's St. Moody?
>> St. Hmoodi, just some autist from like the black belt space.
>> Oh, okay.
>> He's not from the Bible.
>> No. No.
>> Okay.
>> Uh, yeah. And then you do, so you do like a finasteride or whatever.
>> Something similar. Dutasteride.
>> Cuz the tea makes you, makes you go bald faster.
>> Yeah. That.
>> Gives you acne. The, the testosterone and its byproduct, dihydrotestosterone.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, you just do those three things?
>> Uh, no. I mean, we'll, we'll be sitting here for a little while if we go through the whole.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Go to medical school.
>> Well, I got kicked out of school.
>> Yeah, but whatever. We'll get you back in. I, I don't, I don't want to be a Jewish mother, but you should go to medical school. Horrible idea.
>> Why? You know all this crap. You could help people doing medical school.
>> I would never go back to school. I'm already doing good enough on social media where I, I can't even think about the word school in a serious context.
>> You could be a doctor. You could be a good. It's a good job.
>> No.
>> Doctors.
>> You know, all this stuff. Doctors agree with the stuff you're saying right now or.
>> Doctors are, you're rogue.
>> I'm telling you, listen to this.
>> These people are literally going to school for 10 years accumulating a [ __ ] amount of debt.
>> [ __ ] Yeah.
>> Just to make like, you know, a wage that's not really going to elevate you to a position where you could beat any looks disparity. So, it just doesn't really make sense to me.
>> Yeah. But your mom tells the daughter like, if I doctor.
>> If you're going to take out, uh, hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of loans, you might as well invest it into surgery rather than going to school.
>> What if you could be a plastic surgeon?
>> And by the way, bad paper. You can actually get college loans and use it for surgery.
>> Um, so this is a method.
>> So I've been, I've been telling people, yeah, you can literally do that.
>> So just mis, misappropriating the funds. It's really not going to get you in that much trouble.
>> Uh-huh.
>> And you'll mog. So you'll be able to sort of get out of it.
>> Okay, let's, let's do a rapid fire questions. Okay, these will be fun.
>> You were interviewed by Michael Nullles. What do you think of that guy? He's a [ __ ] dude.
>> I thought he was very nice.
>> Okay, never mind. I, I mogged, I mogged when he came on here. He's a nice guy. Whatever.
>> He is nice.
>> He just tells trans people they should be eradicated. He's a really nice guy.
>> Yeah. So that's why I just like, I don't like to think about politics cuz these people get into these manic headspaces over nonsense and I'm just like.
>> They're losers.
>> Dude. Why?
>> Yeah. Yeah. I have pol, politicians on. They're [ __ ]
>> Which ones?
>> They're jesters, dude.
>> Yeah, for real.
>> I had, uh, I had the mayor Zorrod. Have you heard of him?
>> No.
>> He's fire. He's pretty far.
>> Zoron.
>> Zoron.
>> No, I never heard of the guy.
>> He's sick. [clears throat] He's the New York mayor.
>> Oh, [ __ ]
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> I'm so far removed. I can give a [ __ ] man.
>> He's a, he's a, he's got a high sexual market value. Uh, do you jester when you're chilling with your boys? Do you guys, can you jester with guys? Can you just not jester with girls? Is it okay to jester with fellows?
>> Dude, honestly, it's okay to jester regardless.
>> Oh my god. Thank you. I, I be, when I read that gesturing was cope, you, it, I forced me to look in the mirror when I was learning.
>> It's just like about, you just have to be kind of conscious of the fact that you're gesturing. That's like the main distinction that needs to be made cuz some people will gesture and genuinely think it's like game or the right approach. But like if you just want to be silly, uh, and [ __ ] around, like that's perfectly fine. In my opinion.
>> It's fun to make a girl laugh at a joke though. It's fun.
>> Yeah.
>> It feels good. It's like.
>> That's not really jester maxing though. Jester maxing would be like.
>> Juggling.
>> Yeah.
>> That or just like.
>> Maybe self-deprecating humor would be one thing.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> That's like a very Jester Max thing to do. [laughter]
>> What do you do for fun? Like what's like what what's.
>> Dude, I'm going to be honest. I don't do anything besides stream.
>> Come on, bro. You got to have fun sometimes.
>> You got to put a movie on with the boys and make jokes about it because it's a bad movie.
>> No, just try it out. Yo, where's the camera guy?
>> Just do, just please, just promise me you'll do that with him.
>> We can try.
>> Yeah. [ __ ] no.
>> Why [ __ ] no, dude?
>> I would rather. The way I think about it is like when I'm doing anything off camera that's like an activity, I'm like, I could be streaming this, getting paid right now.
>> Come on, dude. You can't just make. You got to have a. You separate a little bit.
>> Well, think about it, right? There's literally people who do [ __ ] like mini golf and bowling, right? And like go and hang out with like go to dinner dates with girls off stream. They're not getting paid, right? [laughter]
>> Yeah. Like, dude, doesn't that [ __ ] with you a little bit? Like, there's people who actually do.
>> You think that that's what people are primarily [clears throat] doing or.
>> You [snorts] make dinner with your girl, you put on a girl show. Stream it, bro.
>> You do face. [laughter]
>> No, I don't. I don't. No, I want to. I actually like want a private life. And I had to learn that.
>> Dude, I want my [ __ ] hourly streaming.
>> Here's the thing. I think that people are a little, when I read, look at social media, I think like people are kind of ignoring the fact that you're 20, right?
>> Yeah. I would say that pretty much every content creator has seemingly got like this, uh, treatment, um, for immaturity or like, you know, people excuse bad behaviors, but that's never been applied to me whatsoever. And why?
>> I don't know. Maybe it's because I just come across as like more mature when I do like these long-form like podcasts a lot of the time. So people don't realize my age.
>> Uh, a lot of the times. And I'm also like a figure of authority in the looks maxing space.
>> Yeah.
>> So they're like, "Okay, well, we're not going to give you an easy out on this one." But it's fine. I don't really, you know, complain about it.
>> What aspects of life would you not stream? Like taking a [ __ ]
>> You wouldn't stream. Yeah. Shower.
>> Getting [ __ ] [ __ ]
>> Well, I mean.
>> Have you streamed getting. Having sex?
>> You can't do that like actually put it on the camera, but I've done it like.
>> With the mic on.
>> Really?
>> Wait, you're, you're rocking, you're rocking her work.
>> Um.
>> What's it like for a girl having sex with you? [snorts]
>> Like one minute and then you have to go to a clinic a few days later. [snorts] You're, you're, you, you hit it. You hit it quick.
>> Yeah, bro. I got to get back to work. I'm a bit, I'm a bit busy guy, you know.
>> You're such a legend. It's crazy. [laughter]
>> Dude.
>> You're such a legend.
>> Why are girls more flattered about premature ejaculation? If a girl prematurely ejaculated, I'd be like, I'm the best in sex. What?
>> A girl should be like, "Wow, I was incredible today." Yeah.
>> Dude. It's about my time, right? It's not about.
>> Oh, so you make yourself bust really fast.
>> Yeah, bro. I'm not here to flatter anyone.
>> So then just jack off, dude.
>> Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point.
>> Yeah. Yeah. What is the looks max thing? Uh.
>> You ever do the stranger?
>> What's the stranger?
>> Oh, dude, I love telling people about this one.
>> What is it?
>> Um, so basically you got to sit on your hand and tell.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Classic. Yeah. Yeah. The stranger. Yeah.
>> I was going to say.
>> Have you ever done the Tennessee pile driver?
>> All the.
>> I kind of want to know. What is it?
>> It's your, you're, uh, stripping on a wall and you, it's the force is so big that you smash through the wall. Okay.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> No.
>> Have you ever done the Darwin?
>> The Darwin? Maybe by accident.
>> You put your soft dick in a girl's mouth and then it evolves. [laughter]
>> Yeah, I've done that one.
>> Yeah, that's a fun one. Uh, so do you feel like a, a fear or like an anxiety about staying on top? Like, uh, I, I asked you this earlier, but are people coming for your spot ever?
>> No. I mean, like, there's making good content is kind of like the goal at the end of the day. And, uh, I think I'm pretty captivating based on what's been happening with the numbers. So, I'm just going to continue that. Continue being myself cuz.
>> What about Marlin? Who's, who's this Marlin?
>> I'm seeing the streamer.
>> Yeah. Yeah. But he's a hot guy, too.
>> Uh, I don't know. It's up to you, man.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> I don't [ __ ] look at guys. I don't, I don't do the math on guys' hotness, dude. Who's the hottest girl?
>> The hottest girl.
>> Ever.
>> Ever.
>> And we're gonna go around the room. Get ready.
>> You go first. I don't know. [sighs]
>> Denise Richards. Uh, that James Bond movie. Dr. Christmas Jones.
>> What? The old James Bond stuff.
>> Yeah. With Pierce Brosnan. Yeah. She was an 11. Or the movie Wild Things. Model. Yeah.
>> The thing about that question is like, I'll, I'll kind of flip-flop on the answer a little bit. Who? Cindy Sweeney, you think is number one?
>> No, I think that [ __ ] looks like [ __ ]
>> Really? I saw the clip where you're saying she looks like crap.
>> Yeah.
>> So you baited me to say that.
>> She got big. Have you seen, have you seen the tags?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Kind of awesome, though.
>> Yeah, but it's just hard to get over that face.
>> Come on. Pause.
>> And she's going to be shooting your head off about some like political issue. And.
>> You think Sydney Sweeney is political?
>> Uh, people want her to be.
>> They want her to be. They want you to be too.
>> I know, bro. It's [ __ ] [ __ ]
>> Why do people attribute looks maxing to be right with.
>> They just don't know what it is, man. So, they're kind of, you know, scrambling to figure out what I'm about and cuz it's a whole new thing.
>> Yeah. Right.
>> Cuz you, you're on forums, you say naughty words, so they think it's right-wing.
>> Yeah. That's just like any fringe, uh, you know, culture on the internet is is kind of like edgy and, you know, not something that you would hear just out and about on a day-to-day basis. So.
>> But it's not necessarily political at all. Um, it's just looks, it's self-improvement.
>> Who's the hottest chick, dude? Just come on. Just tell me.
>> Hottest chick. I think Taylor Hill's pretty good. Just a model.
>> Who's that? Run a pick.
>> Let me see.
>> Come on. H.
>> She's fire. And you guys think that this Matt Bonner is the hottest guy.
>> I said, uh, the highest in terms of the objective, uh, harmony ratios.
>> Matt from the Spurs, the redhead guy, the three-point shooter. Matt Bonner.
>> See, let's check.
>> She's hot. Let me see. Do you, do you take that down or?
>> No, man. Not yet.
>> Just say what up to her. Just DM her or something.
>> Couple more fashion shows maybe.
>> Really? She's a fashion model.
>> Yeah.
>> Just say hi or something.
>> Dude, that's the thing.
>> You know what you should do? Respond to a story and say, "Damn, bro. She's PF." And then she'll say, "Question mark." And you'll be like, "I meant to send that to my friend."
>> Dude, she descended.
>> That's what jesters do.
>> She descended since, uh, that photo. So.
>> She ended. She's dead.
>> Descended.
>> Descended.
>> Yeah. Like looks worse.
>> I got to show you some [ __ ] dude. There's a whole wide world out there outside of male beauty. Peep this, dude. You're gonna love it. Those are nice headphones, too. Check those out. You know this track?
>> Put them on, dude. Or you might mess up your hair.
>> Not really my style.
>> Come on, dude. [laughter]
>> Can I put you, I'll play you another track. Not really. You're st, you're an idiot. Okay. Uh, this song will change your life. Yeah. Garden safe. Dude.
>> She says this song will change your life. And it does.
>> Does your boy know these songs?
>> What? The Karma Police? Yeah. From Invincible.
>> From what? [laughter]
>> The show.
>> What's Invincible?
>> Oh, you don't know it? It's an animated show. [laughter]
>> No, I don't watch cartoons, bro.
>> What the [ __ ] man?
>> You don't [ __ ] with this?
>> No. No. [laughter]
>> All right. You want to hear a song that I wrote? Tell me if this is good.
>> Do you want me to be honest?
>> Yeah, be honest. Honestly.
>> Okay.
>> When you're weary, feeling small.
>> Little slow. Keep listening, dude. Wait for the hook. Like a bridge over.
>> Can I ask you another question? What's your favorite animal?
>> Um.
>> Dog.
>> Yeah.
>> Me too. I have a dog.
>> Me too. What kind of dog?
>> I don't know.
>> I have a pit.
>> I hate when people ask me that question like and they think it's weird if you don't know what kind of dog you have.
>> Dude, look at my dog.
>> And that's another just like, that's why Normies interacting. That's.
>> Yeah. Yeah. What do you think?
>> I got her from the street. Normies interacting is always so silly to me because they're like.
>> What? It was a.
>> Like normal people.
>> Because they run into each other and they're like.
>> Oh, what kind of dog do you have? As if they give a [ __ ] about.
>> That's that is. And then they go mini golf.
>> Yeah. [laughter]
>> Answer. So yeah. No, I never.
>> Wait, let me see your dog then. Just be a normie for a second. Just be normal, maybe for a second, dude.
>> All right. Your dog looks. You, that's your best friend. Um, I. Is that what they say?
>> I don't know. Who's your best friend?
>> This guy in the back.
>> Um.
>> He [ __ ] 10 girls and he said low double digit. [laughter]
>> Yeah. I can't even find a picture of my dog.
>> Like where do you rank male beauty and like the kind of scale of what's important? Like.
>> The highest.
>> Like higher than like, uh, like kindness or something?
>> Yeah.
>> Really? What? Why is that?
>> Well, because these things are going to be perceived according to the physical, right? So, um, like all the intangible things like, you know, being kind or, you know, being funny.
>> Yeah.
>> That's all going to be haloed by your attractiveness. So, there's no point in really valuing them as separate things when they're all kind of interconnected. Well, like Mother Teresa, she wasn't quite, she wasn't a looker, but she was, she's famous for her kindness, right? Like.
>> She didn't need a baseline attractiveness. She was, she was kind, right? Like, you know.
>> Well, nobody gives a [ __ ] about Mother Teresa. I'm going to be honest with you.
>> People do. No, people, she's, she's, she's famous. Yeah.
>> Yeah. But like, I think people are probably going to care more about someone in Hollywood like a Brad Pitt figure than they would Mother Teresa.
>> For, cuz he's hotter than her.
>> He probably mogs. Yeah.
>> He would mog her. That's for sure.
>> Yeah.
>> Since you've maximized your attractiveness, right? The things that I've seen like, uh, I found out about you from are like.
>> Things like, uh, like the car, the, you know, the, the thing last week in Arizona, like those kind of things. I guess are like, have those, do you perceive those as complicating your life? Like, you know, like.
>> So it's just like, is the formula of like maximizing your attractiveness to make everything better? Does that necessarily maybe, does that complicate it?
>> Well, um, I just have an interesting status, I guess you could say, where I'm like an infamous figure.
>> Yeah.
>> So, you know, where there's a lot of, and I would say that's 99% of the interactions, those aren't the ones that are going viral in headlines as some [ __ ] who is a hater and wants to, you know, do some dumbass [ __ ]
>> Yeah.
>> You know what I mean? So that's just what [clears throat] goes viral, but that's not the reality of the situation.
>> Yeah.
>> The reality of the situation is.
>> Um, you know, I'm talking about men's issues and kind of identifying with that and no one's been a spokesperson for, you know, this the struggle, um, in any meaningful way. I would say there's a lot of.
>> You're the first.
>> Well, there's just a lot of like disinformation, I guess would be the way you could put it, or there's sort of like a key element that's always been missing from, uh, the manosphere, uh, and the red pill space, which was that looks are an extremely important thing and they shouldn't be ignored. So I think young men like feel kind of understood by my messaging, like, you know, by me.
>> Uh.
>> What resonates you think with young men?
>> Well, because I understand it, right? It's, it's not like I, uh, have my head super big because I'm famous. It's like, uh, I kind of blew up on social media not that long ago. So, I, I was right there in the struggle.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, I was still working a normal job less than a year ago.
>> Wage cook.
>> Yeah. I was wage cooking.
>> Yeah. You know.
>> What was your last job?
>> Uh, working at a restaurant.
>> Yeah.
>> If, if you're, you're close with your sister, right?
>> Mhm. If, uh, someone told her that she was low-tier Becky or, uh, subhuman, whatever, like, would you want to beat their ass?
>> Well, that'd be like sort of a cortisol spike. So, the expectation for you to do some dumbass [ __ ] and like get into fights all the time. I think it's just a culture that definitely needs to be added. Like, I'm, you know, I'm high class and I don't do [ __ ] like that. In the same sense as Michael Nolles fixating on trans people's lives, like, what is the merit of telling someone that they, that they are nasty? Like.
>> Well, yeah, I, I guess. And I would not really do that unless someone were to be a [ __ ] to me first. And I think any of the clips where [snorts] it's just like me, you, you know, talking to someone in a disrespectful manner, they always cut out the previous part of the interaction where they would just come up and start acting crazy. Like I'm not.
>> I, I imagine so.
>> Yeah. Like it's not like I'm going up to people and being like, "Oh, you're [ __ ] subhuman."
>> I saw a clip where a girl was like trying to flirt with you. She was like, "Why did you come say hi?" You're like, "Cuz your [ __ ] cheeks look like shit." Or something.
>> No.
>> You said her, her mandibular was crappy or something.
>> You're coming. Be nice to girls, dude. At least.
>> I am. I would say.
>> You should be nice to girls.
>> I would say I'm, I've.
>> They're girls, dude.
>> There's a lot of clips of this, but pretty much every single chick I've met in person was like, "Wow, you're actually a lot nicer."
>> I think as a thesis, the concept that life is is exponentially better for people that are good-looking is the most obvious thing in the world. And you're just articulating that like, and I don't, like, to me that just makes sense, right? Right. And that's been our like, what's benefited us in life, like that's why we've just everyone's like, you know, like it's fine, like it's annoying sometimes, right? Like when, you know, just girls are like this every time I, you know, publicly masturbating, every.
>> I'm sorry. I'm sorry. But but like, but beyond that, what I'm saying is is that like I guess what when I was younger, um, getting obsessed with something was something that losers did.
>> Like, uh, cool people and hot people could just be normal, right? And that's the fascinating thing about this is like, it was never a cool thing to be obsessed with anything. And I, I think that that's what I'm trying to grapple with. You know what I mean?
>> Yeah. I would not really say that looks maxing is cool. I would say that it's something only.
>> But you're the coolest guy. You're the biggest streamer.
>> Uh, well, I, I mean, it's more just that there's a lot more sides of the internet now and there's a lot, like people are just looking for what's new, what's fresh.
>> Yeah. Have you enjoyed this?
>> Yeah. Yeah. No. Dude, I think it's fascinating and I really hope that I'm not condescending. I think.
>> No, no, no. I don't, I don't get any malicious vibe at all, you know. Um.
>> I would say, dude, I'm not going to lie. I already kind of forgot.
>> It's fine. Don't worry about it. That happens to me, too.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. But it's thrilling to be around me and stuff, right?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I'm awesome, right?
>> Absolutely.
>> I feel the same way about you.
>> Thank you for having me out. Thank you.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I feel the same way. But I mean, uh, also like, can you're braided, right? For.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> You could call me by my my real name, too.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. Muhammad.
>> Muhammad.
>> Yeah. My guy.
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