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Who was more competitive in your nature? I mean, well, Kobe or or Jordan? Because I don't know. Well, you, you played. Yeah, you see Jordan and you can see the competitor. But Kobe was a different animal, right? Like, I used to see Kobe dribble and shoot without no ball for an hour. Wow. Yeah. Kobe and Kobe have similar attitudes. Like, Kobe wanted to be the best ever, right? I wanted to just be the best at killing you, right? Because I was never the guy that's, "Oh, he's the best big man. I want to be the most dominant man." I'm waiting for when I walk in, I want people changing rules, people scared, people going like this. I remember Kobe is, "I don't want to be the best ever." And like, he used to practice four or five hours a day. I'm not doing that because my attitude was, "What? Why am I practicing four or five hours for you? Who are you? I already know what I got to do, right? I just brought my mama a new house and she got to keep it and you ain't gonna take that away from me." So knows a lot of, oh, [ __ ] didn't work out hard enough or not. I know what I got to do. It's all right. Yeah, it's all right.
There because, um, like they say, like, like, like, like Kobe was like, like, it's all about the win for Kobe. Like, yeah, it was. But when you look at Jordan's story and they say that it's all about that. But then the one critique that everyone says about LeBron James is they, they always say that he didn't have the killer instinct. So I have a question for the panel. Yes. Win, win. He needs, he needs to average 16 points this year to pass up Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Yeah. So if he passed up the great Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's points, does that make him the best player ever? No. All right. So hold on. Okay. No, you say no. So if somebody is better than me and I pass them up, are they really better than me? Just asking. And I love these conversations. All right. I like, you know, it's actually a great game. I think different people have different answers on stats, okay? Because how can you, how can you say you got the double shot when he pulled up and I got 200 more feet than you, right? You sure? Y'all really? I know you got helicopter pads and all that, but this [ __ ] four floors. You think we don't need better? You sure about that? Yeah. If you don't have killer instinct, how you get 38,000 points? Yes. I'm just asking. Just ask him. So I mean, I'm, I can't wait to hear all the experts.
Jordan is the best ever. So to me, it happens like that. To me, to me, Dr. J is the best, summer, the best ever because he started it. And then, you know, Kobe and Magic. And then Mike. So I think when we have these conversations, we need to go by eras. Definitely by eras. Because if it wasn't before then, to me, LeBron, I mean, excuse me, to me, the reason why Jordan is the best ever is because he wants, he never really lost. Yeah, in the finals, right? That's right. But the reason why the truth for me, I like people who go through adversity. And I think LeBron is the best ever because I really believe that stuff that LeBron does, Jordan cannot physically do. They're two different sizes. [Applause] Now, I'm gonna win. I'm 14 damage. But what I'm saying is, LeBron, like for me, for me, for me, I love the, the, you know, the assist game, the rebound game, uh, the scoring points. He, he can, he, you know, he doesn't mind letting someone else, someone else, whatever the case may be. And that's what I like about these conversations because they can go all day. Because if LeBron was about points, he gets four thousand. I'm gonna tell you something. That LeBron has always been. Joe, answer my question. What? When that man passed up Kareem, is he the best ever? Yeah. Yeah. Listen, I ain't gonna lie to you. I love LeBron. Like, me personally, I think LeBron is our version of Jordan. He is. Because I think, I think this year, this is my first time, like, being disappointed but I'm not making the playoffs because I just want people to know. And I always said this, you can go on my Instagram. I always said, I'm a New York Laker fan. Yes. From Showtime to y'all [ __ ]. I was just like, I just couldn't, I couldn't stop [ __ ] with the Lakers. Now, did I adopt the LA lifestyle? I didn't do all that. But I was [ __ ] and I had never seen that. Like when you and Kobe had that run, like, yeah, it was like unprecedented. Unprecedented.
Who's the most dominant big man? Oh, the most dominant big man. Bill Russell. And who else? I mean, yeah. So, you know, when people say those three names, I don't mind. But if I were to pass up Wilt Chamberlain in points, that came on and said, nope. Me. Yeah. Only because I passed them up in points. Channel, me, correct. And I don't want to hear nobody else's name. But he got more points. So, you know, when you said, that's right, right? So it's just certain people standing. No, but really, really everybody. Look at the standard. That is the standard. Everybody look at stuff. Numbers. Everybody look at the rings. Let me just be honest. To be clear, it's like we have the same conversation in hip-hop. And a lot of people, you know, always give it to like a Drake or such and such. But people always say, whoever got the most money is the GOAT. Yeah. But him, that's hip-hop. But if you got the accolades, I don't think that makes sense. That matches the money. That's why there's no one that can definitively say Jay-Z's not the GOAT, right? It's because one, he has all the accolades to prove it. And then two, he has all the other accolades to prove it. He has the big house. He has the big house. How can you not say he's the GOAT? You know what I'm saying? How could you not? Like, what his wife is? You know what I mean? I hate saying that. I hate saying his wife because it, to me, it takes away from what he actually is. Like, he was that guy. He deserves his own. But, you know, why? Because you can't break my thumb. Oh, yeah. And that's why hip-hop and basketball is like, you can have these conversations.
What was your relationship like? He was a dog. He was, he's probably one of the only guys I couldn't punk. Like, if I blocked his shot, like most guys, when I blocked their shot, they won't come back in. He'd come in every time. And he actually, I'm upset at him because he messed up history. Well, because the year that we were 14-1, I wanted to go 16-0. I was so mad, upset. I wanted to go 16-0 because there was some other stuff going on with some monies and I was like, "Okay, I'm about to show y'all that I, slash, we, the best Laker team ever because I get tired of hearing that." Would like the team is better. So I'm about to prove it, right? And like, if we would have went 16-0, I can both, we can mostly say, "Okay, Magic and Kareem, 16-0." You know what I'm saying? Like that. So we underestimated in that first game. I think he hit us for 51. Yeah, for 51. The one where he stepped over there. I mean, but you know, we still won 15-1. But I wanted to go 16-0. And he would still come back in. Yeah. Jordan was like that too. Yeah. So Jordan. So I've only, I can proudly say I only been dunked on three times in 20 years. A dude named Tim Perry. Yeah. I got a lot of dunk buys. But I'm talking chest to chest, right? Anytime. Yeah. [Music] Michael Jordan like that. I don't know. He got me three times. So, so next time he came through, I had to lay him out. But when I laid him out, I lay him out. I went to help him up. He said, "Don't ever help nobody else." That's what he said. Because, you know, he's also my fraternity brother, Omega Psi Phi, Q down. So I laid him out. So I'm like, "You're not done coming again?" He's like, "Ah, I need." And I said, "Yeah, my bad, dog." He was like, "Don't ever help nobody up." So, like, he taught me a lot. And then, so we beat them. And then next year, they came back and swept us. And he put his hand on my shoulder and said, "Before you succeed, you must first learn to fail." And I didn't know what that means. I was like, so I'm all summer, me and Alex riding around, I'm pissed. I'm like, then I finally sat down like, "Before you succeed, you must first learn to fail." And I thought about it. I was like, "Yeah, you know, we had to fail a few more times." They said, you know, for us, when we get tired of failing, that's when we persevere. You know, do something else. But why do you think he told you not to, to give him the handle? Because, you know, I was a bad guy. Because I was the last one to beat him. And I know people are gonna say, well, he, you know, he wasn't ready when he came back in '45. But there's only one guy that sent him home in the playoffs. That's me. But it's like, he knew that. He knew I was coming. And he said, but you know, the things I was going through was the things he went through playing Detroit and, you know, all the greats go through it. And it's ready. But I wasn't ready because the year we made it to the finals, like, you know, we, we played Houston and I kind of let down. And the King was my, was one of my favorite guys. And, you know, you're supposed to show a person that you can show him respect by showing them none. Yeah. But I showed him too much respect. And the average 31, average 28. But they swept us in. But it also taught me a Bible lesson. If I ever get back to the finals again, I'm gonna put on a performance that's so crazy that it's gonna guarantee us.
So when, okay, so God comes to you, says you got one last game to play, and it's either with Kobe, LeBron, or Jordan. Go. [Music] Because when you have, when you have friends and you have discrepancies, but they're not really discrepancies, I should always reach out to that friend. I work, I work 21 hours a day. And I was always the guy like, me and you've been boys how long? 20 something years. How many times have I called you? Be honest. I don't remember none. No, no, no. That's my point. Yeah, that ain't right. All right. At least a text, a shout out, DM, something. Yes. And I've, and it hit me hardest that year because before Kobe passed away, my sister passed away. And I was always the, "I'll call her tomorrow." All right, let me go buy this business. But I'll call you tomorrow. I'll call you tomorrow. I'll call you tomorrow. And then you wake up and they're not, they're not here. Right? So that. And so if I could just see him one last time and we just argue. All right, fight, play. I would love to have that. So, so to all the people out there, if you had, you know, discards with somebody, but you still love them, reach out. Yeah. You ain't got to see him, you got to hug him and kiss. But just text, man, what's happening? Because what, what was the initial problem? There wasn't a problem at all. But you, what started it? Like, yeah, yeah. Just, you know, you got two guys down, same team. So it's not a problem. Like some of my favorite stories. No, no. Some of my favorite stories to watch are, you didn't know the Brady Bunch had beef. You know, stories like that. Cheers. But the moral story is, if you got two alpha males, you're always gonna bump heads, right? Like me and my boy, we bump heads all the time. We've been friends for 20 years, but the respect is still there, right? No, but in.