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Want to? I don't want to. I don't want to waste... why not read it? I don't want to. Yeah, you know, you know I'm fine with Islam; it's just that I'm an atheist.
I got you. But, but, but just let me let me ask you real quick about being an atheist, or like, do you believe that there was no Creator at all? Are you agnostic or atheist?
No, there's no Creator at all. Really? All right, take a picture, and then I just wanted to go picture the literature. Go for it. I think this is kind of neat that you guys are doing this and bringing understanding. Yeah, building bridges. I mean, I don't I don't have any problem with Islam; it's just that... excellent. I'm not a god person.
But, but what do you think like, like, like for the minimum gene concept? I mean, how would life have developed? You know, the minimum gene concept isn't it fascinating how life developed on this? It is, isn't it? It's almost like a miracle, you know, a miracle.
So you believe in the Unseen? Miracles aren't a certain extent. Okay, so you do believe in miracles? You believe in miracles? I don't really believe about the Miracle of Life; it's kind of a miracle how how intelligent life developed on this planet, you know, uh, you know, uh, the odds, you know exactly. So, so there's a minimum gene concept, which is that any cellular body, even a single single-cell organism, has to have a minimum set of genes to survive, right?
Yeah, yeah. But I I believe in evolution. I believe that that man's brain has developed over thousands of years, you know, from just trying to survive to really having some type of intelligence and looking outside. Let's talk about Evolution, looking at the real world.
Excellent. I appreciate so let's talk about Evolution. So if... where did we evolve from? That's the question, right? I mean, it's just uh, there's a whole tree of animals that... okay, so where did they evolve from? I mean, it it all goes down to maybe single... so where did the single-cell organism evolve from? Uh, it's it's it's uh it's water. Water. Water. Water is life. You... excellent. Kind of started everything, the oceans, you know.
No, that's interesting because you know, in the Quran it tells you that every living thing is kicked from water.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So how would the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, know that if... well, I mean, that's just, you know, that's, you know, even among the Indians, you know, water is life. You know, water is life among everybody on the planet, you know. It's not just uh, you know, it's not it's not exclusive to Islam. Let's take the evolution of water to a single-cell organism. How did water become a single-cell organism?
Things developed in the water, you know. I, you know, I'm not a microbio... I know neither am I. But, but, but, but just think through this, right? Like you have water at at the park here, you have lakes. Oregon's beautiful, right? Do you ever see like a single-cell organism kind of... it's fascinating because I'm I'm a full-time RVer.
Okay, so you travel a lot? I was up in the northern part of North Dakota, and I was driving around and I met a professor and their students, okay, from Georgia Tech. Nice. And they were researching high-elevation small lakes which completely freeze in the winter. Amazing. And then in the summer, of course, you know, it's just what... and there's no source, you know, it's just the melting snow or the melting water there that created it, and then it's going to freeze over, and they're researching plankton in there. Wow. And I thought it was fascinating that is, you know, life life exists everywhere. It's amazing how how how it's able to adapt to a uh, you know, freezing temperatures for half the year and yet still exists and survive, and and they were loving it; they were touching it. I'm loving it, right? And they're tiny; you they were showing me dots in the water, so excited.
Tell me this: in that water, does a single cell of organism come by itself? I don't know where they came from, you know. You don't have to talk to her. So, so let me talk to you. Professor Yad from George... think think of this, right? Yeah, even if we take the idea of evolution, it would have to go back to a single-cell organism, and the question then there would be is where did that come from? And every evolutionist or or person who pushes the idea can't really answer that because we have water today, and we never see a single-cell organism come out of the water without any basis, right? And even I mean, when when you are out in nature, it's it's a lot different, you know, of course, but everything comes from something, right? Evolves in the strangest areas. I was in Yellowstone. I mean, those boiling, you know, uh, or water there's bacteria in there living, you know, and they create these marvelous colors, but they all come from something.
Yeah, I mean, nature nature is mysterious, you know. So, so nature... yeah, if you take that word, okay, and say that nature developed us, okay, would you say Nature has an intelligence then?
Uh, not really. How can something without intelligence develop something so beautiful as it is? You know, it's pretty incredible, you know. So how about how about I give you... how about I give you an idea and you tell me what you think, right? Okay, instead of saying nature, why don't we say there is a Creator? Because even for the single-cell organism, it had to have been made with a minimum... that's that's a bridge too far for me. Why not? Let's take it step by step to Creator. That that bridge is too far for me. Is it really? Let's think let's think about it, right? Let's think about it. If we were randomly evolving... uh-huh... because nature exists on other planets in in our Solar System... God, the creator creates above all of that. We don't know if life has evolved there or not. I mean, this is this is a fabulous planet because it's like perfect for life, you know? And you look at these other planets, there may be life, there may not.
You said it's perfect, right? You said it's perfect. Not is perfect. Perfect for life, right? Life. Yeah. Perfection comes out of chaos. It can. It can. Out of the millions... okay, I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. Let me let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. If I give you some blank paper... if I give you some blank paper... yeah... and you chaotically randomly threw ink on it, would you get Hamlet out of it?
No. Why not? It's not going to happen. It's not going to happen, right? How can you tell me something as complicated and perfect as your body and the atmosphere came out of chaos? Millions and millions of years... I'll give you billions, billions of years. Throw ink on a piece of paper. Show me Hamlet. It's, you know, it's not going to happen. And Hamlet is not as perfect as a human body.
Okay, okay, okay. Let me do this. Okay, I, you know what? What you're you're, you know... let's do this from two separate camps. Why not? It's not it's not about camps, you know. It's not about camps. Do this. Just take a book and read it. It's a very small book. Day today. It it it will at least educate you on what we believe. I I've read a lot about is... what do you know? Religion in a way kind of fascinates me. It... good. Then it's good to read up a little bit more. That's... I got the internet. I'm a full-time RVer. But the internet... you never you never know who wrote what. You never know who's saying what. Don't be don't be a David would and just Google things. I'm sure that book's on the internet. Sure. But I'm giving you an actual book that's... wait. Okay, tell me this. What... I'm a full-time... what do you know about Islam? You know? Huh? What do you know is about Islam? I don't know much about it, to be honest.
All right. So let me tell you. I know that you that you guys are religious and and and and you believe in God. You do believe in a Creator. And... good. So far, so good. And uh, I I find uh the political aspects of it with the Sunnis and what's the other... M... yeah, I I I find that conflict fascinating. Yeah, I find it not so fascinating, but okay, you know, cuz you know... but, but let me let me ask you this. All right. So our belief is that there's one Creator. He's not human. Yeah. He doesn't have kids. He doesn't have a pet monkey. He's not a cow. He's not none of those things. We believe in one great Creator that cannot even be described by human terms. There's nothing in comparison to him, right? A creator that is so great that he's not a man, he's not a woman. He didn't just create us; he created the whole universe, and he gave us this perfect environment for our form of life to survive, and he is the one that laid down the foundation for that single cell and to develop the human and develop different species and allowed them to adapt to their environment, right?
Give it a shot. This book is on the Internet. It's called islamu.doom. Yeah. Okay. If you go to the website islamu... uh-huh... islamu. Read it. Check it out. Open your mind. Open your heart. I I try to open my mind. Open my heart, you know. I'm so offering it to you, you know. There... I've read some about you guys. You... I think it's fascinating that uh that uh you believe Jesus was a prophet.
We believe Jesus was a prophet. Definitely not the last prophet. That is very true. I find that fascinating. What do you think about Jesus, peace be upon him? I I thought... I think Jesus was uh was a fabulous human being. Human being. So we agree he was a human being, though, right? I I feel you're getting there. I feel people have a a lot to uh uh learn. Careful, the train; you may want to move. I I feel that people have a lot to learn from this human being. AG. He developed the philosophy of love, and it's it's it's a powerful philosophy. But but he was he was given a message, right? Somebody sent him, right? Even if you look at the Bible... let me uh... he was speaking from his heart. He was speaking from his heart, and uh he can't...
No, no. Let me just show you a verse from the Bible again. I know I know, but but you're speaking about Jesus, okay, and I just... but I I I believe in the historical Jesus, not the spiritual Jesus. How do you know about the historical Jesus? Uh, because the Bible is a pretty uh uh there's a lot of... go back to the Bible. In the Bible regarding historical events, you know, so you can't write it completely off, uh, you know, the gospels were, you know, written, you know, I don't know, you know, hundreds of years after, you know, a lot about the Bible passed away, and uh, you know, and and some of the stories conflict, you know, some of the stories are a little bit more realistic, right? CU people change it up. We agree. Exactly. John 17:3. And if this is eternal, and this is eternal life, that you may know you may know you the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. So who sent Jesus Christ? Think it's in the Bible, right? See... no, no, but I'm saying I'm saying that I don't entirely... I agree with you. I don't agree 100% of it either. But Jesus wasn't doing his own will; he was... he says, I'm doing the will of my father, the Creator. So what about a belief in that Creator, right? Look at the message of Moses and Abraham and Jesus and Muhammad, peace and blessings be on all of them. Those are great. That that's all great. I I excellent. I get that, you know. I get that. But you know... so check it out, islamu.doc. You know, you can you can be a good person and have high morals and and and not believe in... let's talk about that question. That's the way I look. Let me ask you this question then. If you don't believe in in in a God and you say you can be a good person, have high morals, how would you know what's moral? Because I have a good sense of it in my heart, right? But but again, somebody else may have a different sense of morals, and what's the difference? Like Hitler may have felt what he did was moral. I I I you know that that doesn't mean anything to me.
Exactly. Exactly. Because your morals will not mean anything to him. I view other people based on my morals. I don't care what their morals are. It it matters what my morals are. I feel... but but then every... but then everybody's standard of a good person is different. Then to Hitler, you may be a bad person, and to you, he's a bad person, right? There is no morality then; it's just subjective, right? Because is it immoral to marry an 80-year-old woman or an 8-year-old woman? I mean, how would you how would you guide... I I I I I think that human beings without any input from religion can easily agreement... but think about how what's what's moral is the death penalty moral? Huh? Is the death penalty moral? Is the death penalty moral? It's a moral... I I I I feel in certain circumstances it is, right? But I know many human beings that feel in no circumstances moral. So how are you going to come to an agreement? Well, then, you know... but you just said human beings can come to an agreement, but I just gave you an example, you know. We're we're able to live in a society now, but think about it. What about our Creator, right? But even those laws people don't agree on. Yeah, right. People... so so when you say something like like I had friends growing up in high school that sold marijuana, went to jail for years, and now big companies sell them and make money off them. So was it morally incorrect for them to sell it, and is why is it morally correct today? Life is complicated. So what about what about a set of morals from the Creator? Wouldn't that be better? Like like think about this... but who's... but but even even even in religion there are all different sets of morals.
No, there are... let me let me explain it. Let me expl... I mean, I mean, I mean one one one of the things one of the things that I really dislike about the Christian religion is that faction that if you believe what I say, Jesus is going to reward you with money.
I agree with you, you know, and and me and you agree on this that that that that just believing in Jesus is not enough, right? You need to believe in the prophets. You need to believe for that... I forget what whatever they call it. Me and you agree that they're off. Okay. But let's talk about this. So so even even among religions there there is only there is only one religion in the world. One True Religion, right? Let me explain it to you, right? If you look at the Ten Commandments, okay, right... okay. Now now you're talking to to somebody whose mom was a Buddhist. Sure. And and you're telling me there's one religion in the world. I was born in... I was born in China. Let me explain it. So if you look at the Ten Commandments, thou shalt not worship idols, you shall not have for false gods, right? One God. Don't kill. Don't steal. All of that that you see, right? I think everybody across the board would agree with that, right?
Yeah, yeah. Now if you look at the true message of Abraham or Moses or Muhammad, peace and blessing be upon them, all of them taught the same thing. If you look at Buddhism or Shintoism, it has gone through so many phases; it's not one divinely revealed religion, right? Maybe Buddha was a prophet as well. I don't know, right? But the one God that sent Moses and Abraham and Jesus and Muhammad, peace be upon them, with the same true message, that is the one true religion.
Okay, I'm going to take a walk around. I appreciate it. Thank you. Islamguide.com. Read into it. Have a good day. Say in Arabic, but then after that you'll be a Muslim, so you'll have that direct relationship with your creator, okay? And then we'll get you the the address to the mosque if you need any help or anything; you can come by, inshallah.
All right. So first, just to be clear, so we believe in one Creator. That one Creator that sent all the different prophets: Moses, Abraham, Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon all of them. That Creator is not a man, not a woman, not a monkey, not a cow, none of that stuff. The one Creator of the universe. Do you believe in that?
Yes, I do. And you believe he sent us prophets like Moses and Abraham and Jesus?
Excellent. And the last of them is the Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him. You believe in that?
Oh, yes. Okay. So I'm going to say it uh I'll say in Arabic or English first. I bear witness. I bear witness there is none worthy of worship except Allah. Except Allah. And I bear witness and I bear witness that the Prophet Muhammad is the servant and messenger of Allah. He a servant and messenger of Allah. ASU ill muham mbb [Music]