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There's only one cure, folks, and that's liberty. There's no better channel to find freedom than Fabian Liberty. Anarchy is order. Government is civil war. I've got, you know, the [ __ ] king here, Richard, to tell me about [ __ ]. You've got like, starting now, 'cause this is a cookery program. You've got 30 seconds to explain to me all about [ __ ], all about Black Country cooking without mentioning the word Black Country whites. That should get engaged. >> That should be very exciting, don't we? Go. Yes. Well, I'll try that. Now, here in the the area, as I say, we are very famous for our [ __ ] and peas. >> I understand is bad. We're here. We're coming for your children. We're here. We're here. We're >>

We will replace the fragility of rugged individualism with the warmth of collectivism. I think the reality is is that for centuries we've really treated um property as an individualized good and not a collective good, and we are going to and transitioning to treating it as um a collective good and towards a model of shared equity will require that we think about it differently, and it will mean that um families, especially white families, but some PFC families who are homeowners as well, um, are going going to have a different relationship to property than than than the one that we currently have. >> And then daddy has to sometimes use strong language. You have to use a certain word. >>

Nicholas Maduro had his chance, just like Iran had their chance, until they didn't, and until he didn't. He effed around and he found out. >> Nikki Jam. Do you know Nikki? She's hot. Where is Dicki? Where is Dicki? >> My jeans are blue. >> Sydney Sweeney has jeans. >>

White people shouldn't joke about genetic superiority. Like that was kind of like the criticism broadly speaking. And since you are talking about this, I just wanted to give you an opportunity to talk about that specifically. I think that when I have an issue that I want to speak about, people will hear. How many genders are there? >> I feel like there's two, 'cause like transgender doesn't say that on camera. >> Yeah, but I feel like you either switch from a boy to a girl back and forth. >> Stop. Stop. Stop. I feel like it doesn't m It doesn't matter. Whatever you want to be, it's fine. It's okay. >> Yeah, but I feel like they switch back and forth like >> Yeah, but like it doesn't really matter. Like there's like you can be anything you want to be. It doesn't matter. Come on. Stop. Stop. All right. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Sorry. >>

Hi Barb. Hi Lauren. You are a Luigi supporter. >> I am. I have my little pin here. >> Okay. Explain to me. And we are, you know, we have wrapped up the suppression hearings. The judge said we're going to have a decision uh on May 18th. >> How are you feeling right now? >> Um, I mean, after Tuesday um, a little less discouraged, just because the statements were thrown out that were illegally um filmed, because Pennsylvania is a two-party state versus the one-party consent law state that New York is. So that, I mean, I feel like was pretty foolish or knowingly of the prosecution kind of breaking the law and that >> so it's they're always coming up with no, it's not the >> no, it's not >> concubines. >> No, it's not >> Mongolian. >> It's actually really complicated. No, it [ __ ] isn't at all. >> Running society >> need to shut the [ __ ] up. >> Mongolians >> need to be imprisoned for the most part. And we would live in paradise under the mandate of heaven. >> It's literally that simple. Oh [ __ ] Oh, you're not the only boomer today. Oh, dude. Breathe Rights. Let's go. Anybody else a believer in the Breathe Right Strips? I wasn't. What's good? Dolphin lives matter, brother. Dolphin lives matter. True. Big true. Big true, boys. Dolphin lives matter. Dudes looks maxing off camera. Are Breathe Rights a way of looks maxing? I think I'm just old and my nose is [ __ ] up from having it broken a bunch of time. It helps me breathe and sleep better. How's a snowstorm in Virginia? Um, I mean, the roads are starting to clear up a little bit. Is that like are nasal strips really a thing? Like a part of looks maxing? Like what is going on? I need to know. I need to know from the [ __ ] weirdos. Is that like a part of looks maxing? Okay. Yeah, but like Ohio always gets a lot of snow. You know what I mean? Bone mashes. God damn, dude. Dude, why are dudes just turning into like gay men to to try and get women? Like, it's not going to work. Like it's like it's like uh it's like Zulu's video where um, you know, where the where he talk, you know, in um, the um celebritarian video. I can't remember the name of the title where he talks about the African tribe that builds a runway just kind of thinking planes will come. It's kind of the same thing when you have dudes like getting surgery and like wearing delt pads and wearing makeup. Like they're mimicking women and and other successful men to try and like copy what's going on when in reality, you're not a man. You're not going to get any [ __ ]. The cargo cults. Yeah. Minnesota got no snow, just blistering cold. Not fun. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we'll get settled in. I I'll I'll drag you in. It's fine. I'll hop in. What? Ma [ __ ] cat. How was your night, boys? I know. I was just here yesterday night. Did y'all have y'all do anything fun today? Any good work things other than getting snowed on? Getting dumped on snow for the half the East Coast. No Minnesota, no snow, but plenty of ice. But um, yo, that latest shooting is rough. I got a bunch of different random-ass energy drinks because I went to the grocery store and they were sold out of like half the [ __ ] there. This one sucks. Um, but we'll see if it peps me up. Good thing they had body cams. Oh, that's funny. We have a lot of snow in Germany as well, actually, at the moment. Yeah, dude. Germany is um Germany is interesting 'cause like I love to make fun of the UK because they're falling, but like, bro, are you even safe to be in this channel in Germany without going to prison? Like, I know one guy in Germany went, got jail time, you know, like minimal jail time. He got processed, you know, as he's going to be sued or whatever. Um, yeah, like make sure you're on a VPN or, you know, maybe like Purple, like a Tor browser or something. Um, like I know one guy tweeted something about uh that all politicians are technically parasites because they live off of the taxpayers's dollars. And like that guy went to jail. And like I I started looking into AFD 'cause I was like, I want to know more about what's going on with AFD, right? Like these guys, like I hear that they're like horrible Nazis and [ __ ]. And then like the first thing I find when trying to look up AFD is like the leader of AFD is a [ __ ] is is a lesbian married to like an Indian Pakistani woman. And like that just like like any like these are these are white supremacist Nazis. And I was like, the leader of the white supremacists is a lesbian married to a brown lady. Something's not adding up here. Like this sounds like bullet [ __ ] I've ever heard. Right. Like I was like, I can't imagine, you know, like, I mean memes aside of like, never ask a white supremacist the race of their girlfriend, right? But you know, she's a lesbian [ __ ] like a misogynation lesbian. Like wasn't like the whole Michelang [ __ ] like mix, you know, mixed breed ban by Nazis like a whole big part of the thing. I was like, man, that's crazy. Big Hman is rolling in his grave. Should make a generator for free electricity. Yeah. I mean, like, dude, you had pro you had climate protesters destroy an an an an energy facility because it's burning coal. But the only reason Germany is burning coal is because they got rid of their nuclear power plants to appease the death cultist environmentalists. And now they need coal to be able to heat their homes in the winter. So they blew up a coal factory, and the government came in and said, "Fuck evacuating the elderly and the people in medical need. We're going to evacuate the migrants first." Like, dude, Germany is just like like feels like a like a like a young teen dystopian novel. Doesn't even feel like a real [ __ ] country at this point. Can't say certain things. This gets you in trouble if you aren't prepared. though. If you avoid insults, you can get away quite easily for the most part. But yeah, it's pretty bad. Yeah, dude. I just hope you're using a Tor browser. I hope that your YouTube account is is connected to a fake like Gmail that you got with a VPN, right? Like like get a get a get a VPN, connect your Gmail or whatever. like create a new Gmail account with that VPN and then like and then like log into that and make sure you're like, you know, you're you're using a VPN as well in like a Tor browser, and you'll be fine. You might get some lag on my on my stream because, you know, you're doing, you know, because you're going through that like it's but you should be fine. Solar and wind is so unreliable that they have to use coal for backup generators. There's a reason fossil fuel companies are some of the biggest lobbyists for green energy. Yeah. I mean, solar is starting to get pretty good to be fair, right? Like I hate the death cultist green energy people, but solar is solar is starting to get fairly efficient. Wind sucks. Wind is wind is trash and it's like harmful for the environment. It breaks down all the time. But like they're getting pretty good with with with solar and there's like some really cool like almost solar punky [ __ ] you can do with solar. Like, you know, solar creates shade. So, you can install solar panels in really arid climates and then you can seed the land where the solar powers are and it'll grow the [ __ ] out of grass. And then you can bring in like um animals for grazing and like you can actually take like land that couldn't support farms or couldn't support um cattle and then turn it into viable land for cattle because the solar panels create a [ __ ] ton of shade and and um and then, you know, just a little bit of water and it's good to go. And you can actually kind of revitalize the land in areas as like an after effect of the solar panels. It's actually kind of cool. Like there solar solar is not as bad as it used to be. Like we definitely subsidized the [ __ ] out of solar and it was definitely a waste and it's still nowhere near as efficient as nuclear. But like, you know, you give the devil his due. Solar is not that bad. Nuclear is still better than both. Yeah, for sure. For sure. Like not using nuclear is [ __ ] [ __ ] And it's super [ __ ] to to [ __ ] break your nucle like to shut down your nuclear power plants. That was the craziest thing ever. Yeah, nuclear is goated. Also, thank you. Thank you for the $2. We just got the stream started. Like, share, subscribe, join the Discord. The Discord is where you're guaranteed to get go live notifications and like chat with the community. You know, the the money helps. There's direct donation links and you can do memberships and memberships don't get you anything but cool emotes, but the goal is usually on super chats. I prefer super chats because, well, partly because I pay my taxes on it already. So, it makes my taxes a lot easier. I don't end up owing a bunch of taxes when I get a bunch of super chats or memberships as opposed to direct donations. When I have to do my taxes, it becomes a pain in the dick. Um, but also but also I like um I like it because, you know, it allows me to instantly see a question. It's really easy for me to answer those questions that you guys are paying for. Also, I want to show you guys a video. I'm like so sad. I'm betting that you guys have seen this video, but if you haven't seen this video, I'm so sad that like that I didn't get the opportunity to put this brand new video in in the uh in the stream. Like I'm I like like in the intro. Like I was like, damn, I already want to make a new intro just to have this video. You guys got to [ __ ] see this. Um, so I'm Somali. Um, I'm proud to be Somali. >> And yes, the audio is only in one ear. I can't fix it. >> Um, to me, being Somali isn't just eating bananas with rice. It's uh it's a lot. It's like um, it's a it's an interesting thing. It's a it's very hard to describe what it means to be Somali and what it means to be American, but it's like a cultural fusion. It's kind of like the bananas and rice. You know, people don't really see like, you know, it's a it's a it's, you know, people don't think, oh, you can eat bananas with rice, but that's what it's like to be Somali and American. It's like that combination of banana and rice. But you you're going to get what I mean. UH, >> I saw that [ __ ] and I was like, dude, is this a South Park episode? Like, what is what is happening right now? That's the best they've got from the Somali community. It's like she's their brightest one, boys. Did her brother do that? You showed my oath breakers video. I think the oath breakers video is on my YouTube. Is Is the oath breakers video like not on the YouTube? It's It's like one of the first videos I ever made. Like Hold on. Yeah, here it is. It's from four years ago and it has 198 views. Oh, [ __ ]. I like still have the man bun. I'm in the old apartment by myself. Mark isn't even there. Dude, hold on, boys. Hold on, boys. You know what? Let's Let's do a reaction stream. A little bit of a reaction. We don't have to do the whole thing. Let's do a reaction to me from four years ago and see how [ __ ] I was. Like we came, you know, we've come a long way, you know. Let's see how [ __ ] I was four years ago. You guys ready, boys? From Fabian Liberty, what do I call police? >> Okay. All right. Already already I don't know how to talk. Let's the 1.25. Let's speed this up. >> I'm oath breakers. And in this video today, I'm going to be discussing POV. POVA. I'll get to you, man. I just want to see how dumb I was four years ago. All right. >> Why I call them oath breakers and why I think you should begin calling them oath breakers, too. Now, libertarians have been sounding the alarm on police practices and issues since the 1970s. And it's only until recently that social movements and the media and change has really begun to show some of these issues. Bro, I'm wearing a shirt with stains on it. Like, why did I not tell myself that's not a good look involved around policing? Namely, it's been about racism with police practices and racism has really begun to divide our country in the way we talk about policing. I remember as a, you know, a young burgeoning mind, the riots in in was it the Michael Michael Brown riots, right? The the stand up don't shoot, hands up, don't shoot movement. And I remember being so forward. I was like, "Yes, let's get body camera footage on police officers. Let's get them better training, right? Like, let's increase the standards by which they hire." And instead, it became a movement about the race. >> Bro, I still Yeah, my inflection is much better. I still have like the California LIILT like woke era voice. So, like, so what about that? Huh? What about you know when I first started you have improved. Yo, thank you. Thank you, Rudy. Yo, dude, that's like $10, bro. [ __ ] yeah, you dude. Thank you >> to the individuals and it was really disheartening because this this discussion of race really took away the discussion of >> that shirt is a cry for help, dog. It's rough >> policing. Now, you may say, well, racism is an actual issue. It's the biggest issue that we have. And I'm sure some would be inclined to agree. I don't necessarily agree. >> You know how I You know how you can tell I was still spiritually leftist? 'Cause I have a shitty bookcase behind me for some reason with like half my books on it. That's how you know I'm spiritually leftist. I've got this California LIILT and a [ __ ] like and like some random ass bookshelf that doesn't need to be there. >> But there are a lot of things that we can fix now that are not divisive in this country. You know, the war on drugs has failed miserably. You know, no one that I know of is in support of no-knock warrants and authoritarian lockdowns by police during COVID, over-policing, stop and frisk. I didn't get it from Amazon. All right. I've always been an Amazon hater. I got that [ __ ] from I think like like HomeGoods laws. um the way peaceful and violent protests are handled by the police and corrupt district attorneys and detectives that are forcing witnesses to confess to crimes that they didn't do or 98% I believe 97% of of cases are not actually seen before a jury, but you know, district attorneys are using their power to increase the amount of uh convict >> bro, I I look rough too. I can tell that I'm like, okay, that's an unfortunate pause on myself. Let me like look at me, dude. I've got [ __ ] up glasses. I'm not eating healthy. My eyes are all [ __ ] up. I'm I'm four almost five years older than I am in this video, and I look so much rougher then than I do now. Simply overcharging individuals, often of, you know, often black and of low socioeconomic status, so that they plea down to 15, 20 years in prison. And so in this video, I'm going to explain the term oathbreaker and I'm going to show you why police are objectively oathbreakers and why this term is so much more effective than other >> the aliiums and folates you were nause to describe police today. First, let's talk about the logic behind the term oathbreaker, right? Um, for a term to actually effectively work, I think it needs to have some logical consistency. And first and foremost, all police officers in this country have sworn an oath to uphold the constitution, usually to protect from enemies, both foreign and domestic. Furthermore, all police have violated this oath. Right. Um, I'm going to show in this video how basic police practices, not radical police, not police departments in specific >> I'm not going to lie, this isn't that bad of a video. I you know what? I I have come a long way in inflection and presentation, but this isn't that bad. All right. I'm cool. I'm glad I'm glad you I'm glad your dad liked it. It's good to know that I wasn't too cringe. I was cringe, but I wasn't too cringe. Oh, [ __ ] [ __ ] Where are we? There we go. What up, Ghost Recon? I don't want to get into breaking down the logic of why I'm wrong later. Existence is cringe. Then kill yourself. You can forgo you can get rid of all of the cringe right now. For the record, YouTube, I'm not actually telling him to kill himself. I am just pointing out the logical inconsistency of such a statement. Oh yeah, civil asset forfeiture is [ __ ] dude. Warn the Germany guide to mute the video before you say that [ __ ]. Oh [ __ ] dude. Top Chico is so [ __ ] goated. If you don't like Topo Chico, we can't be friends. We can be acquaintances. We can work together on the disillusion of the state, but um, we can't be friends if you don't like Topo Chico, right? All the rest of them are pretending to be bubbly. Perry is is a little [ __ ] is a little bubbly. It is better in the glass bottle, but I bought a case of it and this was all they had at the grocery store. Dude, the storm [ __ ] knocked out a lot of supplies at the grocery store. I saw this meme the other day and it was oh, it was chef's kiss. Okay. And all it said was, "Why are all the shelves empty at the grocery store?" And it was just a person that said, "Because they're not price gouging." I was like, "Yeah, pretty much. That's that is the that is why they're that's why the shelves have no bread on them. If they were price gouging, you'd be able to buy bread." Oh man. Dude, did you have you guys looked into what is the drink? Uh, Topo Chico lime with mint and extract, flavored sparkling water, filtered carbonated water, lime juice from concentrate, natural flavors, which essentially can mean [ __ ] anything. Um, by the way, natural flavors just means uh whatever the [ __ ] the FDA doesn't require us to specifically label in the label. Um, there's all kinds of [ __ ] up [ __ ] that's quote unquote natural flavor. Um, potassium sorbate and sodium benzoate um to protect taste. Mint extract, magnesium chloride, uh, potassium chloride, minerals for taste, and that's it. Hey, 11 months. One more month and you get that you get that gold coin. Brother, you live in San Antonio, so Topo Chico is way of life. Dude, I I want to I kind of wish I moved I lived in San Antonio. I loved what little I saw of San Antonio. It was cool. The boardwalk was cool. [ __ ] the weather a bit much, but you know, you don't have to deal with the snow and [ __ ] but the when it People are like, Texas is a dry heat. Not in [ __ ] San Antonio. San Antonio is [ __ ] just hot. There's no [ __ ] like that's it. It's it's it's hot and wet. It's It's not a You're not a friend of the fat man. All right. As a fat man, as as one of the fats, let me tell you, San Antonio is rough. It's moist. I'm so tired of homework. I have four classes after the two I'm currently doing to get my masters. Dude, four classes in a master's degree program is rough though. Like that's what people don't tell you is like 12 credit hours is like really [ __ ] easy to do in undergrad. The same 12 credit hours, right, which is four classes in in grad 'cause most graduate programs, each class is only three credits. It's not four credits. And dude, like 12 12 credit hours or four classes in grad school is is so much reading and writing. It's not that it's necessarily hard. It's just it's just so much work. It's like you have to write a paper every week for every [ __ ] class. And then on top of that, like you have to like go watch some online video and then [ __ ] do some online [ __ ] [ __ ] paragraph and cite at least one source in your online paragraph. It's like it's too much. If you want a rude awakening on natural flavors, look up castorum. Anal glands from a beaver used for raspberry flavoring. Yeah. I mean, but they stopped doing that. Castor Castorum um or castor oil is no longer anal uh glands from a beaver. That [ __ ] stopped in like the 1990s. But you're not wrong. And there is a lot of [ __ ] up [ __ ] in um in quote unquote natural flavors. Yeah. Remind me to never go back for my masters. I mean, if there's like a specific thing you need, then like, you know what I mean? Go get your masters. It's easy. It's It's a crazy workload, but like it's not intellectually laborious. It's like if you're in my chat, you're probably smarter than the average person. like almost certainly smarter than the average person getting their masters right now. You'll be fine. Suck at work because the road is flooded. Today was going to be an early finish, too. All right. Well, you know, I kind of get why you were like, "Existence is cringe." Yeah, fair enough. I got a fake I you know, I went to my master's degree program was a fake degree, right? I was in social sciences, so it's just a lot of [ __ ] writing. and a lot of reading the Bible because I was at Liberty and like it would be like, how can I tie how can I tie rational emotive behavioral therapy to the Bible? It's [ __ ]. All right, I got to read some more of this. Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot. It's a lot of reading. I'm going for cybersecurity. I'm a software developer and I'd like to move into security architecture. Those are words. I don't really understand any of that, you know? I like to pretend like I'm smart. And I'm smart on some things. I'm not smart on [ __ ] like that. Yeah, but that's what I mean, Ariel. Like, like most of the work is not [ __ ] hard. It's just a lot of work. All right, let me bring Poval in. Pov said he had some questions. What up, Poval? All right. Uh, first time. >> It's never a good sign. Never a good sign when someone starts off with >> All right. Yeah. Go ahead, brother. I was just teasing. >> Oh, I'm having audio issues here. >> OH, YEAH. NOT so [ __ ] easy now, is it? Huh? Chat, you guys come in here and you're like, "Oh, [ __ ] the audio is not working on this." Yeah. Now manage like four other programs. Then you got to do a [ __ ]. You got to quickly do research to figure out what's going on. Yeah. Some of the stuff that just became easier for me with practice and experience. I know it's just how learning works. Yeah, fair enough. Dude, I dropped I was going to get an economics degree and then I took accounting. Yeah, that's true. Half of you haven't even hit the thumbs up button. What the [ __ ] boys? Hit the thumbs up button. I get that you can't always give me money. I like money me money me now. But like, you know, click the like button. It's free. Helps me in the algorithm. But yeah, I was I went to school uh originally I was like, "Oh, I'm going to get an economics degree." And then I took [ __ ] accounting and I was like, "So, what do we do in this class?" And they're like, "Oh, we uh we do basic math and then we give you 10 hours of homework of basic math to do." And I was like, "That's mostly the class." And they're like, "That's mostly what accounting is. Lots and lots and lots of basic math. And if you make one mistake, you're [ __ ]." I was like, "This is the worst [ __ ] class I've ever taken in my entire life. [ __ ] this class." If you don't hit the like button, you want the commies to win. Yes. All right, Bobo. You good? >> Yeah. Yeah, I'm fixed now. So, >> you're fixed now. You went to the vet. >> Uh, it's my audio is all fixed up. So, uh, I was doing some debates, just trying to see if I can actually know my stuff well enough. And I had a bit of an issue with when I was communicating with people about monopolies and that absent state interference, monopolies cannot naturally arise. But people kept on confusing the current state of the economy as capitalism and saying capitalism then is evident that monopolies arise. And I just I don't know if do you have any idea how to get through to people that this isn't capitalism? >> Right. I mean, like these are two different questions, right? Like the question A is, how do I get people to understand that monopolies only occur when granted state privilege? Question B is the current, how do I get people to see that the current economy isn't capitalism, right? So I guess if you were to to marry those two things, focus on state-granted monopolies, not not like corporatism, but full-blown state-run monopolies. And then because you are talking to consequentialists, almost certainly, right? Um, then give them, you have to, good debate starts from from a, let me back it up a little bit. Good debate starts from a very simple premise, and that is pathos, logos, ego, ethos, right? >> So a logical argument will fall flat, always. Logic does not work on these people. Logic is something that can only work on them at a certain point when they've been primed to accept the logic. So, first, you have to establish ethos. You have to show some way that you're quote unquote good faith and that you're quote unquote, you know, um, worthy of having a conversation with them, and that you kind of know what you're talking about, that you're not lying about [ __ ], that you have some, you have the requisite knowledge for the conversation, right? And this can occur with, you know, some banter, getting the person to kind of like you a little bit, being a little funny, you know, not going hard if you, especially if you don't have established name, right? >> Mhm. So the next thing is is pathos. This is the entire modus operandi of leftist thought. It is an imbalanced form of communication and for philosophy, right? It it is it everything's vibes based, everything's feels. And so you need to make people like there is some, there's a subcategory of pathos called inner gaya, which is where you tell a story and you make the person live in the story. Now, that's a really, that's like a more advanced kind of pathos. So the best thing to do is to just draw from history and tell a story and tell a story that aligns with their hatred of corporations, because we hate corporations too. Not because we hate the concept of a corporation, which is why they hate a corporation, >> but we hate the corporations that are [ __ ] us, right? And that are using the state against us, right? And so what I would suggest is like, so, you know, we want to talk about monopolies, like an example that I might use is the Food and Drug Administration. That's a real monopoly, right? Like that is a government-granted state monopoly on telling us on a service, which is, we all want our food to be safe to eat. So you give them that example, and then maybe tell them a story about when we had a baby formula shortage. Um, right. Bell South and Banana Farms might be good too. Yeah, those are those are great examples of of the state working with um, you know, creating monopoly with Bell South and with, you know, etc. And like, you know, the ways in which we've engaged in horrific, you know, corporations have engaged in horrific crimes. Um, but like we talk about the Food and Drug Administration. We had a we had a baby formula shortage during the Biden administration. And one of the reasons we had a baby formula shortage is because the FDA made it illegal to import baby formula from the UK. Baby formula, which by the way, uses real sugar instead of corn syrup. Now, are are people dying in droves in the UK because of tainted baby formula? Is like, is the UK some third-world country that doesn't have real baby formula? No, they're perfectly fine, but they don't fit our labeling procedure, and they don't make the corporations that work for the state the right money. And so, the corporations are bribing the FDA to make it illegal for us to purchase food for our babies that is not only perfectly healthy, but it's healthier than the [ __ ] we have in America. When we hit a baby formula shortage, it was because three babies died from a disease and one of them FDA plus corn syrup plus corn subsidies equals victory. Yeah, kind of. Yeah. Right. But one of the one of the factories that produced baby form, one of the major factories, there was there was um this um bacteria that was found there. And we later discovered that that bacteria wasn't what killed those babies. It wasn't the same strain of bacteria. Rather, all three of the babies that died lived in absolute squalor and homes with like trash everywhere and that were roach-infested. The baby formula had nothing to do with why these children were sick. But the FDA and the and the and um other government agencies shut down the factory until they cleaned the factory. Okay, that's fine. They protected us. Sure. But we had a shortage and we couldn't buy any [ __ ] product from the UK. During this time, they kept the factory shut for an extra three months because of this supposed bacteria outbreak, but they did it to punish the company, but they let the company produce a small amount of formula that was specialized for children with allergies. So, the factory was fully operational, but the government told them they weren't allowed to make 98% of their product because reasons. So, how did the Biden administration and the government fix this presumed error of capitalism, which by the way, capitalism would have solved if we were just allowed to buy [ __ ] from the UK. Mhm. >> They threw they flew a C130 to the Netherlands and filled it with baby formula, purchased from Nestle and then moved and then flew that back to then help with the shortage supply. >> The state flew the planes. >> Yes. the the the n a national guard troop flew the planes to go purchase with government taxpayer dollars to help with the shortage that they created a because they shut down a factory unnecessarily and B because the FDA made it illegal for us to be able to buy anything from all of Europe. That's what a real monopoly looks like and that's how the state did it. And of course, they gave Nestle money and they gave their corporate donors money, right? So you channel like that's just one example of a story of how you can explain, right? like, "Yeah, I hate corporations just like you do, but I hate them for principled reasons, and here's how capitalism would have solved this problem." But instead, a state monopoly granted by the state actually helps all these big corporations in these pseudo monopolies. And this isn't capitalism because capitalism would have just had grocery stores putting in an order from London. That's what capitalism would have done. >> Mhm. So, I try to do a similar angle like that, but what I got back was, "Okay, yeah, yeah, it's not good when the state and the corporations collude." But if you just let the the corporations run wild, unregulated, they're going to do this sort of stuff anyways. They're going to they're going to force other companies to not start up or they're gonna they're going to act as the state in that fashion. And I I don't know how to Yeah. So force them to give an example. >> Right. >> Right. >> Well, they bring up Standard Oil pretty much every time. >> Standard Oil is the easiest one to defeat. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I go back on that, but I think you you talk about like this the the problem is I think they don't get logic or or maybe I'm dealing with people maybe I'm assuming people are smarter than they actually are and that that might >> I think I think program, you know, Carl Young once said, people don't have ideas, have people, right? And so there many people have been are they're not stupid. They get logic because they need logic for their day-to-day. They don't apply logic to their political uh prescriptions because they have a philosophy of contradictions. And it's [ __ ] hard to navigate through the world with a philosophy of contradictions. It's actually much harder. You don't know what to do. You have to vibe everything out. And so in order to be able to deal with backlash against their worldview, which is a constructed pile of contradictions, they have magic words and they use magic words. Right? Isms are versions of magic words, you know. Um, oh, what about Standard Oil? That was an evil monopoly. Magic word. Well, what? Oh, what about, you know, um, redlining? Magic word. You'll see them bring up things that aren't actually what we're talking about because this is a fallback to protect their worldview because it's a self-defense mechanism to not having to grapple with the fact that their entire worldview is a house of cards held up by contradictions. So they create a wall of misunderstanding and misdirection, and that is that's just to protect themselves from the fact that following their own thoughts through to conclusion leads to a whole bunch of different contradictions and nothing makes sense. And so they fall back to what feels right, and what feels right is what what everyone else believes. Many of these people >> why would they be part of the debate then? Like, I don't understand if they have if they have no desire to even think things through, right? Because they have this this blockage in their mind. Why do they engage in any form of debate? Like, what what's the utility in this? How are these people here? Reputation management is one of the strongest [ __ ] things in in the human psyche. Being liked, being told that they're smart, being being the leader. Like human beings have a resentment uh uh against domination, but also, you know, a desire to dominate, a desire to be the big monkey on the top of the hill. None of that requires being logically consistent or right. It requires being better at speaking the magic words than other people. The way you the way you break that, if you're genuinely trying to convince someone as opposed to preach to the remnant in their audience, >> is is like I described earlier, is inner gaya, right? You force them to give you an example, and then once that comes up, go, "Well, what would you do?" Right? So they give an example, example A is, you know, corporations will just sell us poison because without the FDA, you know, no one will stop them from eating poisonous food. And go, "Well, are you incapable of? Are you and your kind incapable of knowing that McDonald's is selling poison? Are you going to buy from? Are you going to buy from McDonald's? You you you are you going to trust that just every corporation is selling you food, or are you going to get with a co-op? Make them a hero of their own story, even. Are you going to get with a co-op and you're going to [ __ ] start, you know, buying food from your local farmers market because you know it's not poison." Okay. Well, now you've proven to me that there's a market for people to eat healthy food or to know that what they're eating isn't poison. Okay. So, so now a corporation or a company is going to come out and they're going to do lab testing on food and they're going to tell you what's in the food, and you get an app on your phone, and the app on your phone tells you what's in the food that you're eating, and all you have to do is watch some ads. You're already doing that right now. Every time you look at YouTube, you don't pay for YouTube Premium, do you? Well, oh, you do? Well, then maybe you'd be willing to pay for an app that tells you how to avoid eating poison. Let me ask you this. If that sounds so ridiculous, it sounds so crazy that an app can do the same job as as the FDA. What do you trust more? The food reviews on Google Reviews or Yelp, or what people on the internet say about a restaurant, or the piece of writing on the wall that says, "We got an A from the health inspector"? Do you physically go to the restaurant and then go, "Let me see your government documentation that says you got an A from the health inspector," or do you look up a restaurant in on Google Maps and see that it has 4.7 stars and go, "Oh, that looks like a good place to eat." The app is already replacing the government because the market is superior to the government. So you you put them in the situation. You make them realize that they're not so stupid that they're not going to eat poison, and they want to feel smart. So they're going to tell you, "Oh yeah, I wouldn't do that." And then you make them the hero. They're going to go with co-ops. They're going to do things. And then you all of that proves that there are people that are smart just like them that want those things. At a minimum, the only defense then is to claim, "Well, I'm smart. I would do that, but other people will be taken advantage of." Now you turn it around on them and you make them the enemy. You make them a racist. You make them bigoted. If they keep fighting and fighting and fighting, now you call out. It was like, "Well, why do you think you're so much smarter than these other people? Why are you so special that you don't want to eat poison, but nobody else wants to eat poison? Do you think everybody else is stupid? Do you think you're better than everybody else? You think normal people want to eat crap? No. They trust the government to not do this and then they think it's taken care of. But in reality, it's not. And they're not doing that. And in reality, we're already starting to fix this by by exactly like I said. >> Yeah. And if if I could also, I don't know if you have time for one more question, but >> Yeah. dude, nobody else is in the waiting room and I got a debate at 8 on the panel. We got like an hour and 12 minutes. I got some [ __ ] English [ __ ] I want to show. >> I know we missed. >> Imagine not being racist in 2026. Yeah, but they care about being racist deeply. Slope is dope. I know you don't. I wouldn't be like, but that's basically Hitler. You'd be like, you'd be like, based. I'm talking about normal people. Normal lefties, which is even worse. So, there's been a lot of like ICE debates going on and I like to go on them and go at the repeal the Civil Rights Act angle. And I think what you were saying earlier about the magic words, something saying getting rid of the Civil Rights Act, uh, when you say that to people, it just kind of I I never get through. Nothing gets through after saying a claim like that. >> And it's just it's they're just appalled. What do you what do you mean you want to let people discriminate with with their stuff? That's that's totally not right. Like, do do you even argue that? How do you argue that point at all? Most people I don't if I have to preach to the remnant for that, you know, I'm never going to convince the person in front of me. Maybe. I don't know. Like, >> Yeah, I I that's something I struggle with as well, to be honest. Like one of the things I usually say is like, you know, I would much rather a racist store owner of a del. This is one of the this is one of those moments where you have to break the tension, right? So I kind of I kind of use a joke moment that's like half joke, half serious. So like when I get into that situation, what I usually say is like, well, you know, like I play off of the fact that I really that that I tend to date black women, even though my the mother of my children is white. Um, I tend to I tend to date black women. So, I go, you know, well, you know, personally, I don't want to, you know, I date a lot of black women. You know, I don't want to go to a deli with a racist white person that's going to spit in my girlfriend's food, right? I'd much much rather, you know, a deli say no negroes and I'll go shop somewhere else. Besides, wherever else I'll go, the sandwiches will probably have less mayonnaise. Right? You play into their stereotypical it's fun to make fun of white racist bit. You you ease the tension on on that.

thing, but you also sprinkle a nugget of truth, right? Which is racists exist whether you want them to exist or not exist. And when you impose that they have to hire people or that they have to work with people or that they have to sell to people, then you're supporting the racists and you're financially supporting the racist, and the racist hide amongst you. I'd much, much rather a white-only town that doesn't serve people so I can avoid that [ __ ] town. Wouldn't that be so much better? Like, wouldn't it be wouldn't it be so much better to just support the people that you like, that value the things that you value, instead of giving money? Like, why do you want white supremacist racists to get money? Why do you want to? Why do you want them to have money in business? Cuz I don't. Do you support racist business owners? Because I don't support racist business owners. Are you saying that if we get rid of these laws that everyone will support racist business owners? That everybody, that everybody wants to the Ku Klux Klan sandwich shop, like that. Does that make sense to you? You're not going to shop there. I'm not going to shop there. Is anybody else going to shop there? Speak up now. Tell me who's buying the the too much mayo racist shop owner sandwich.

You know what I like? You you sprinkle some levity and you find some common ground and ease the tension to the fact that you said something that sounds wild, and then you have to give it some error of reasonability. But again, this is something libertarians struggle with a lot, which is pathos, right? Like you, you have to, you cannot tell a story and you, you can't, you can't convince them with like the logic of why this will be better. You have to make them feel that this will be better. And the way you make them feel that this will be better is that you sell them a story of a better world, or you sell them a story of the current world and how it's already [ __ ] them and working against their own interests so that they are a part of that story and they want to reject that story. And by rejecting that story, they're forced to agree with you.

>> You don't think they care about the logic side of it at all? Like if you win them in the fields, they're not going to question the logic.

>> I'm, I'm going to read something by some somebody that we all hate. Everyone here, can we all agree that we all hate Abraham Lincoln? Definitely. Definitely.

>> Okay. So, here is a quote from Abraham Lincoln's, Abraham Lincoln's temperance address. It's one of my, it's my favorite Abraham Lincoln quote. And I don't have many favorite Abraham Lincoln quotes because [ __ ] Abraham Lincoln. But I think there's no reason for me to reinvent the wheel when someone said it way better and way more eloquently than me. "To have expected them to do otherwise than they did. To have expected them not to meet denunciation with denunciation, crimination with crimination, and anathema with anathema, was to expect a reversal of human nature, which is God's decree, and never can be reversed. When the conduct of men is designed to be influenced, persuasion, kind, unassuming persuasion should ever be adopted. It is an old and a true maxim that a drop of honey catches more flies than a gallon of gall. So with men, if you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his sincere friend. Therein is a drop of honey that catches his heart, which say what ye will, is the great high road to his reason, and which, when once gained, you will find but little trouble in convincing his judgment of the justice of your cause, if indeed that cause really be a just one. On the contrary, assume to dictate his judgment or to command his action or to mark him as one to be shunned and despised, and he will retreat within himself. Close all avenues to his head and heart. And though your cause be naked truth itself, transformed to the heaviest lance, harder than steel, and sharper than steel can be made. And though you throw it with more Herculean force and precision, you shall be no more able to pierce him than to penetrate the hard shell of a tortoise with a ry straw."

I see why he was able to kill half a million Americans and his reputation is fine.

>> 100%. 100%. He got it. You understand? You cannot convince when you, when you have no common ground and you have no story. You have no feeling. When they are detached from any feeling from your story and there's no common ground and they don't like you, it's not so much that they are illogical beings. It is that the mind will shut off and do everything it can to retreat from reason because they don't want to agree with you. But if you tell a story of the horrors of today and and and explain why those things are bad, they, they similarly, they will use their logic and reason to escape that horror story that you have crafted because they don't, because they don't like feeling like they're the bad guy in this story. And if you make, if you make them the hero of a story as a means of destroying the evil corporations or whatever, right, that are [ __ ] us and explain how, yeah. What would you do, right? Like wouldn't you go to a commune? Wouldn't you work with people that are growing real food? Wouldn't you do these things? People will want to be heroes. You have to lead the horse to water before it will drink. You cannot just put, you can't just expect the horse to drink the water.

That's so difficult though. It's so much easier to go on the logical path because that is like objective and concrete, and it's the emotional path is just, I mean, I don't, I don't even know where to begin even.

>> For most of us libertarians, especially the autistic ones, this is the hardest thing to do in a debate for them because the logical path just comes so much easier to us. That's why we became libertarians because it's a, it's a journey through logic, right? And so we want, what we try to do when we convince other people is we try to, in a micro way, we try to, we try to get them to relive the journey that we ourselves went through. That's how we often see it is, I too was once like you, and then I went through the journey of this logic, and I came out the other side better. Don't you also want to to go through this journey with me and learn the things that I learned? If only you knew what, if, if only I could teach you these logical things, then obviously you would do what I did, which is convert. But, but, but that's not how you get normal people to make concessions in a debate because those normal people are not like us. They're not [ __ ] autistic. They're not hyperlogic-focused. That's, they're probably never going to be libertarians. But if you want them to see the logic of just one thing, you cannot attack, you can't constantly attack the internal inconsistencies of their worldview because that forces them to retreat in their shell and hit you with, like I said, magic words, denunciations, you know, um, you know, oh, that's so weird. Oh, that's goofy. Let me create a straw man. They will do everything they can to frustrate you out of logic. They will do everything they can to muddy the waters so that the logic cannot be heard to their own mind and cannot be heard to the audience. And you will be sitting there just like frustrated with like, why won't you just follow these thoughts through to conclusion? You have to recognize when that's happening and you have to establish a story, a narrative, a a little, a little, a little fun trip through history and time and and then make them feel the logic of your argument. If they do not feel the logic of your argument, either because they want to be a hero, or because they recognize that you are pointing out the evils that they see are evil, too. If they're not embodied in your argument, then they will retreat.

>> This is >> How do you know who's who's not even worth engaging with? Right? Because that's

>> Yeah. 90% of those people, it's, it's really just take Zulu's strategy and preach to the remnant.

>> But there are some that you can do that with.

>> Right. You ever have you ever watched me like late at night with with um with Prime Kais like after Prime Kais is over?

>> Oh yeah.

>> Right. Right. When it's like late and everybody's gone, like if you ever see some of those,

>> He he actually engages with you. So that's

>> Right. It's just it's just me and him.

>> Mhm.

>> What do I do? I don't like, sometimes I give an economics lesson. Sometimes I go hard or whatever, but but like what I really want to do is I want to find that common ground and I want to find that story. And once they feel that story, they're like, "Fuck. Yeah, I don't want to be here. This place that you brought me to feels icky." If you can, if you can get your device will update outside of active time. Estimate for No. No. [ __ ] Pause updates for one week. Yeah. I'll do Windows update later. [ __ ] was about to shut down on me.

>> You got to switch to Linux, Scott.

>> Dude, genuinely, I had a Linux kernel ready to go. Okay. And like I was like, I I had it all ready to go. And then I learned that like half of my audio equipment and video equipment I'd either have to replace or I'd have to run like a a virtual machine to get to work.

>> Yeah.

>> And I was like,

>> Until I can like when I upgrade my audio equipment, when I each time I upgrade, I'm going to make sure that I upgrade it to equipment that can be used on Linux and then I'll make the switch to Linux. Like I genuinely do want to make the switch to Linux, but I absolutely do not want to like have to run a virtual machine to get my [ __ ] to work. Like that just sounds like a [ __ ] nightmare, you know?

>> Not to not to trigger any objectivism in you, but sometimes you have to make sacrifices for the greater good of your of your computer. All right? You have to have

>> Like I'm not, you know what I mean? Like I've built my own computers since I was a kid, you know? I've like, you know,

>> But like when I run into tech problems, I'm like, "What's that error code?"

>> Okay, I'm gonna paste it

>> in Google and find the Reddit thread with the same error code and then do what they did. Like, I don't, you know,

>> It's so much easier now though. You could you could throw that into chat GBT and it'll be like, it already read the Reddit thread for you. You don't have to go on to that awful website.

>> Right. That's true. I use Grok for most things. Like I use Grok like a Google at this point cuz I already pay for uh X. So there's no reason to like to use another thing when I'm already paying for Grok by virtue of paying for the blue check mark.

>> Yeah.

>> Did you have anything else, buddy?

>> Uh yeah. Yeah. Just

>> [ __ ] it. We got time. Go ahead.

>> All right. So for the people who are worth talking to and who are worth convincing, uh usually I find it's like people on the right who are sort of free trade people.

>> Uh something that's really difficult is I found is trying to convince them fiat currency isn't worth it, that it's not good. And and they throw out stuff like, oh, what's, you know, everyone in the world uses fiat, or uh, the sec, national security, whatever other stuff. Just

>> I don't know how much you do the fiat currency debate, but you got any tips for that? Like

>> I mean, I would, I would, if if you're talking about someone that's willing to listen, right?

>> Then then say, look, man, you think fiat currency is better? I disagree. Here's what I want to literally just give people choice. Stop taxing Bitcoin. Stop taxing gold. Stop taxing currency exchange. Right? If fiat currency is great and the US dollar is backed this way and banks are federally insured by the US dollar, okay, just let us let us use different currencies if we want to use different currencies. Like why, if if it's so wonderful, why does the government need to use violence and guns to keep us from using other currencies?

>> Mhm. I don't think that gets them towards getting rid of fiat like that. That's just like they can agree to get the hands off of trading currencies, but they're always like, we, you need the central bank and you need it because it's there and you need it, right? And it, how does that help them understand what's wrong with

>> It doesn't. It doesn't. It, it again, remember what I said and biblical anarchies in the in the chat. He said, as a former leftist, I can concur with what Fabian is saying. I had to be emotionally prepped to accept the logic. You're doing the same thing with the right wing. You're appealing to the commonality of your of your of your preference or your value of choice, right? Because what you do is you got to crack that egg, right? You're not going to convince them of, you know, getting rid of the entire Federal Reserve banking industry, all of that until you can get a foot in the door. So, you get a foot in the door. It's like, now you get them. Okay. But, you know, but, but why, right? Like, why, why, why is it that, um, why is it that the government has to force us to use this? Well, because first, cuz cuz you get them to accept like, yeah, well, that makes sense. Like, let, it's like, okay, okay, so that makes sense, right? But now think about it. The government is forced to use this. Why? If, if the dollar is so, the dollar used to be backed by gold, it's not anymore. It's backed by an agreement with OPEC plus. Why do you think you, you hate all these foreign wars? Why do you think we're fighting them? You think we give a [ __ ] about peace in the Middle East? I don't give a [ __ ] about muzzies over in some [ __ ] sand-filled [ __ ] country. And neither do you. They have nothing of value for us. And you hear, "Oh, they, well, we fight wars for oil, but where's the oil?" We're not fighting wars for oil. We're fighting wars to prop up the dollar, right? Like, if we, like, like the C, like look at housing in Japan. Why is it that all of these countries that are like, why is it that Japan is the only place in the world where a house is treated like a depreciating asset? Right? When you buy a car and you drive a car off the lot, the car instantly is less valuable than when you purchased it. Why? Well, because you don't know what you've done to this car. You don't know what might need to be fixed in this car. The car has wear and tear. Engines have uh, you know, miles have been added to the engine. Maybe you didn't change the oil like you were supposed to. Maybe something, maybe, you know, there's something wrong with the car. Why is it that a house isn't treated this way? It is. In Japan, houses lose value over time in Japan. Well, why is it not that way here? Because we have an entirely fraudulent banking system propped up by the government that is designed to make the corporations tons of [ __ ] money. Is designed to make the bankers tons of [ __ ] money. And it inflates the house, the the price of housing. And now housing is treated like an investment for the banks to build all of their wealth off of because of federally insured US dollars and the fact that we will use guns on you if you try and start an economy or you try and trade in anything other than these. So we create these tax systems to disincentivize you from creating another currency. Like, you want to know what's wrong with fiat currency? It's why your, it's why your kid, you know, you're talking, let's say you're talking to an older boomer, it's why they can't afford to buy a house right now, dude. They can't afford to buy a house because of that dollar that's in your hand. You want to know why your [ __ ] cousin never made it back, you know, made it back from the war in Afghanistan, then blew his [ __ ] brains out from the PTSD? It's because of that dollar in your [ __ ] hand, dude.

People are dying. People can't afford homes. People are struggling. The middle class are waiting until they're in their late 30s to have kids because they can't afford anything. And it's all because of that dollar in your hand. That's what's wrong with fiat currency. You crack the egg by finding the commonality that you agree on. And that allows you to dig deeper into the conversation because now you've cracked, you've established ethos and you've you've established commonality. That's ethos, right? We agree on this. We agree that you ought to have choice. Then you move into pathos. You tell a story and you make them feel why they're wrong. Then they feel wrong and they already know that they, I agree with you. I respect you. We have something in common. And you just told a story that makes me feel bad and I want to avoid this, this bad feeling. Now you hit them with the logic. You have to prime them for the logic. You start off with the logic. All you're doing is beating your head against the wall.

>> Wow.

>> That's just so hard. That's just so hard.

>> It's super hard. And it's, it's the greatest failure of libertarians because we're the worst out of anybody at it. And you know who's the best at it? Communists.

>> Oh yeah. Communists are amazing at getting people to emotionally feel. They, they give them an entire worldview. They allow them to be a victim to a system that is abusing them. They tell horror stories of capitalism and they somehow manage to avoid all the horror stories of [ __ ] communism, right? And then they give them, they give them that emotional feel of, I'm a victim to the manipulation of the elite. And that's why populism is successful because when times start getting rough, they're already feeling the pain. And someone says, "I'm going to be a bull in a china shop and I'm going to destroy things." Congratulations. That's where Trump comes up. The Mr. Rogers Senate video. Yeah, there is a really good video. Um, I, I can't know if I can find it. Um, I'll post in the Discord later if you guys remind me. Um, because I'm sure I can find it once I start looking. Um, but it, Oh, you found the video already. No.

>> Oh, is that the one where he's uh he wants PBS to be made, right? That's the

>> Yeah, but it's, but it's like, it's a, it's from this guy uh Will Sher who like breaks down all of the pathos, ethos, logos in in that speech.

>> Oh,

>> Right. Like he, he and he explains, um,

>> He explains that quote actually, now I think about that's probably where I learned it from originally. Um, and then he talks about the um rider and the elephant. Um, the rider and the elephant, uh, is a theory of, um, kind of the same thing, a psychology theory from, um, oh my god, the the superbased uh moral psychologist. I can't think of his name. He worked with fire. He's at, um, he's at NYU, but he was here at UVA. Um, the most famous moral psychologist. Jesus Christ.

>> God. A phone call.

>> No, no, no. Not, not Foucault. Jonathan Haidt. Thank, thank you.

>> Oh, yeah. Yeah.

>> Jonathan Haidt. He's a moral psychologist.

>> Yeah. It's a good video. It's a good video that does a good job of explaining and showing why it works. But I mean, like, it's much, much the same of what I just said now, but I think maybe he presents it in a better way. So, but the commies, they can do this by turning you into a victim and presenting it, their philosophy as a salvation, right?

>> But the whole thing with our philosophy is not that you're a victim, but that you're good enough to take care of yourself, or that you don't need a nanny state. So, so what do you have to do? You have to just thinking out loud, do you have to make them feel like they're a victim of the state now? Do you have to go the victim approach? Because that seems to work very well for leftists.

>> I, I think you do actually. And I think, I think

>> If you're going to be debating uh against leftists online, I think mandatory reading for everyone is the article written by Hans Herman Hoppe, which is uh Austrian and Marxist class analysis. He where he argues that the Marxists are mostly correct in, um, their, um, in identifying the the existence of class and then explains how it is, how they arrive at a correct, um, estimation of how the state and and the elite [ __ ] you over, but that their logic is completely flawed, and because of this, they arrive at a completely insane ideology and solution. When Austrian class analysis would showcase that it is not the corporation that robs you, rather it is the government and the corporation that colludes with the government to get special privileges that robs you.

>> That's that uh that's that article that what's his name, woke right guy, you know, the, the one that he called out Hoppe, he's like, oh, Hoppe's a a Marxist and

>> That's the one you're talking about, James Lindsay? Yes. Yes. Because and then he highlighted like the first sentence where he's like, "Yeah, they're mostly right in this regard." And he was like, "See, he's woke right. He's a Marxist." And it's like, "Yeah, cool. You're just a lying sack of [ __ ]. Got it, James Lindsay."

>> Mhm. And this is also like kind of off topic, but at my brother's school, they're doing this social emotional learning thing. I think you mentioned it in passing at some point. I wanted to know

>> Emotional learning is is

>> I've only seen from James Lindsay like stuff about social emotional learning. I haven't seen anything else from anyone else.

>> Um, you know, Deb Filman taught me a lot about it. Um, and then October 7th happened and then she [ __ ] got all crazy. I love her still, even if she's crazy. Um, but I, I didn't support Israel enough. So I'm, which is wild because I'm not a pro-Israel. I'm not a pro-Palestine, chill, you know. I just, I just didn't get with the [ __ ] Randians and being like, Israel never does anything wrong. It's like, no, they definitely do. Um, they get a lot of [ __ ] wrong. Um, but anyways, um, yeah, I mean, she did, um, there was another lady that did a lot of really good work on it as well, but I can't remember her name right now. Um, she might have blocked me on Twitter or some [ __ ] is probably why I never see her posts or something. But, um, yeah, I, I, I mean, like, social emotional learning is is is rough [ __ ] dude.

>> I mean, it was originally a good idea because it was originally designed for kids with conduct disorder or oppositional defiant disorder. And it was, it was a program designed to be used by school counselors, people that are trained in this stuff. But the moment Quesil decided that this was going to be a program that they were going to institute, you know, via the teachers, um, was the moment that it became a political weapon to indoctrinate children, uh, you know, into, into, um, you know, becoming Marxists. It is

>> All the case are all of them the Quesil framework now? Like

>> Yeah, Quesil is the company that created social emotional learning. Now, there is another thing that you can read called TSAL, which is transformative social emotional learning. And the authors of transformative social emotional learning, um, are go to the same conferences as these people, petition the government for SEL just as much. They rub elbows with all of these same people, um, you know, Second Step, uh, or, sorry, Psychus and Second Step, who have done, um, you know, joint, um, um, presentations with Ibram X. Kendi and, uh, Sumi Cho, and, uh, oh God, I can't remember the other lady, the, uh, Kimberly Crenshaw, right? These people that all they worked with them, right? And, and Psychus, one of their slogans, not their primary slogan, but one of their, um, slogans is, um, what is it? Sex education for change, or something. They have a couple of different slogans, but they have openly supported TSAL. They have talked about how it is a framework to get TSAL and, um, they have talked about how critical race theory is in school and we need more of it. Right? And so once you understand what SEL is and you understand that it is just a mode of secretly doing transformative social emotional learning, and then you read trans, the re, what the papers on transformative social emotional learning, you'll read that what it is is designed to create a quote unquote critical democracy, and and it is designed to turn children into activists and for those activists to engage in, um, push and to engage, engage in protests, to engage in, um, you know, fighting against the government or within the government to create a, you know, an equity-based system of of throughout the entire country, right? It is like, it is the pinnacle of evil wokeness.

>> So it's unlikely that this is a real program because the school sends out like this letter and they have like, oh, here's all the stuff they're going to be teaching. It all looks like good stuff. Like there's nothing there in the the syllabus of what they're teaching, you know, it's like, oh, uh, learn to control your emotions and things like that. Uh, is it, is it likely that every single one of these SEL programs are Marxist?

>> I mean, I mean, they're all going to be, they're all going to be different, right? But like

>> Yeah, but like one of the things that they teach in social emotional learning, right, is a bastardized version of Vygotsky's zone of proximal development, right? So Vygotsky was a was a Russian kind of like behaviorist, if you will, but like when the Iron, when the Iron Curtain was still there, he was doing much of what the humanists and the behaviorists were doing in America, right? And so he created the term, um, scaffolding, right? And scaffolding is like, you, you, you build steps to teach children, right? And so, and this is a really good thing, right? So you have a kid, right? You don't yell at your toddler to clean their room because like, clean your room is is like too much for a child to understand. Instead, what you do is you say, "We're going to clean your room today." All right. The first thing we're going to do is we got to put all our toys in the toy box. Can you help me put all the toys in the toy box? And then you work with them to put all the toys in the toy box. And then you work with them to make the bed. And you go through the steps of how to make the bed, right? And then you go, right? And then eventually you get to the point where you say, "Hey, can you put your toys in the toy box?" They know how to do that. And you say, "Hey, can you make your bed?" They know how to do that. You say, "Hey, can you vacuum your room?" They know how to do that, right? Hey, can you take the dishes, you know, and put them, you know, put them in the sink and put you, etc., etc., right? And then eventually they get to this point. So you're working in the zone of proximal development, which is essentially, this is the area at which they struggle a little bit, but that they're capable of achieving the task. That's where you want people to be. You want them to struggle just a little bit, but you don't want them to feel like they can't get anything done. And so then eventually you can just tell them, "Clean your room." You've built all of the steps to what clean your room means. And now the child knows, "Oh, I have to put all my toys in the toy box. I have to make my bed. I have to vacuum my room. I have to make sure there's no trash, etc." Right, bro? Hidden me with that uni PTSD. My bad, bro. Right? I'm just, I know this [ __ ] you know? So, social emotional learning and transformative social emotional learning, they have a bastardized version of the zone of proximal development. And instead of saying, what we're going to do is we're going to take you to the edge of what it is that you know so that we can teach you more, but that you don't feel stressed about the outcome. They have what they call the, um, what is it? The like, it's like the circles. They, they, when they teach these programs to teachers and they do seminars, they have like these circles of learning. And what they're saying is, you have to struggle a little bit in order to, you have to be a little uncomfortable in order to learn. So instead of taking them to the limit of what it is that they know and allowing them to learn and grow in that limit, they're going to impose stress onto the child and impose uncomfortableness so that they can be shaped into the ideas that they believe should be true. This should terrify you because what this is taught as, and and the examples that they give on how to do this is to take children and showcase their white privilege in front of the entire classroom and force them to explain ways in which they are privileged or ways in which they are underprivileged so that that shame can be forcibly brought in in front of the entire classroom. And then they offer them an escape from the shame and the embarrassment and uncomfortableness that they created. And the escape from that is the recognition of their privilege. The recognition that we have to do more, the recognition that you have to be an activist and things of that nature. This isn't in the syllabus, but it is in the courses that teach the teachers that do social emotional learning. And

>> So I guess that's why there's an opt out.

>> Yeah. Because it's horrible, horrific, evil [ __ ].

>> It's not enough to not be racist. You must be an actively anti-racist. Yeah, exactly. That's your escape from the shame that they created. That was in the drag queen story hour document, too. When you say, um, you mean, um, drag pedagogy, I think is what you're talking about, which is where research work with work with, uh, uh, oh my god, a famous, um, drag queen story hour person, and describing how they create discomfort so that it becomes a learning place for queer theory, um, but, and like embodying queerness, right, in their, in their, but it's, it's a little hot mess. Yeah, little hot mess was the person they worked with. And so like, I mean, you, like, there's a reason that Paulo Freire is the number one cited source in all of pedagogy. Like, the number one cited source in all of western academia that teaches teachers is a person that developed an education model that is designed to teach literacy through creation of Marxist activists. That is the entire reason, uh, Paulo Freire wrote Pedagogy of the Oppressed. How do we teach the oppressed lit, uh, you know, literacy, and the way that we do that is by embodying them in class consciousness. That's the number one cited source in all of teaching academics.

>> That is terrifying. Why is this in schools? Why is this there? I just, just as a reference, right? The father of psychology, right? Sigmund Freud.

>> Arguably, it should be William, William Wundt, but Sigmund Freud is also the father of psychology. His most cited work, um, both Interpretation of Dreams and, and the work on self-defense mechanisms, none of his works have half of the citations as Paulo Freire's Pedagogy of the Oppressed. Pedagogy of the Oppressed is cited more in academia, more than twice as much as Sigmund Freud is. Wow. That's what the American education system is teaching all of America's teachers in college. And they're all 18-year-old to 22-year-old girls that then go become teachers. They grab 18-year-old girls and they force feed them simplified versions of the, of, of, of how to in, how to get children to read and learn via increasing their class consciousness and becoming Marxist activists. But they don't say it out in the open like that, right? Like, it's only in the academic literature that they say it out in the open when they're teaching this [ __ ]. They're just teaching about like, you know, the circles of learning, and you have to make them a little uncomfortable, and look, Vygotsky discovered the zone of proximal development. So, it's up to us to make them a little bit uncomfortable and to showcase their privilege and to tell stories about, you know, times they felt racism was a thing. So, then that way they can learn better. And the girls and, you know, a 19-year-old girl eats that [ __ ] up and then she goes and engages in the practices and then she wants to get continuing education credits. So she goes to seminars, and those seminars are teaching them this [ __ ] again so that they can, so that they can be indoctrinated into a philosophy that is designed to make all of the children they teach communists. And you can read this [ __ ] and it's right there. Like, it sounds [ __ ] psycho, but then you go on Google Scholar and you look up Pedagogy of the Oppressed. Like, we'll look it up right now, right? Like, um, Google, um, goo, just cuz like it, I know it sounds [ __ ] insane, but like, you can just look it up. We go to Google Scholar, right? And we look up, uh, Pedagogy of the Oppressed. I put in Pedagogy. It's the number one term.

>> Cited by 1,3, uh, sorry, 138,000. That's just this specific version. 138,146 citations. That's just this one version of it. Here's another one, revised, cited by 380. Another one from Pedagogy of the Press, 138.

>> You think, uh, you think going to the school board is going to matter here? Like, even

>> Paulo Freire, right? If I go to Paulo Freire,

>> Right? Pedagogy of the Oppressed, 138,146. And then here it is in Spanish, 123,118. Here's, you know, and you know, in his other works, right? So in since 2021, he's been cited over 205,563 times in academia. That's since 2021. Since COVID, he has gotten over 200, this, he has gotten over 200,000 citations. Right? Just, just as a reference, we can look up Sigmund Freud, the father of psychology, which, you know, you know. Oh my god, how do I [ __ ] spell Sigmund? Is it with no U?

>> Si G M U N D. No.

>> Is it U? Is that it?

>> Yeah. Yeah, it's with a U. Si G M U N D.

>> Right. Since 2021, he's gotten 68,000 citations. Right? So Paulo Freire has almost four times the citations in the last 5 years than Sigmund Freud. And nobody talks about [ __ ] Paulo Freire.

>> Yeah, dude. Government schooling was never meant to educate. It was always a control mechanism. 110%, bro. Is there anything like, would going to the school board do anything here if I try? No, nothing. Nothing. Just, just get my brother out of the class and say, that's it, man.

>> Social emotional learning was created to confuse [ __ ] Republican school board members. If you get a people mad enough, you know what happens? They change the name. You can't get rid of this unless you get rid of the root cause of the problem. The root cause of the problem is public funding for university education as opposed to universities, you know, having to produce results in order to justify their funding from student loans. And number two is the existence of public schools. You know what you can do? You can get your, what was it? Your nephew. You can get your nephew out of a [ __ ] public school. That's it.

>> He's not, he's not in a public school. Isn't a private school, but this was like a, a public grant for the program that the school is doing.

>> Yeah. So, publicly funded [ __ ]. Yeah.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Yeah. So, a public school.

>> Mhm.

>> Hey, Stacy, what's up? Appreciate the $2. This got a little scary. This got a little doomer pill, didn't it, boys?

>> Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

>> You know, like this was supposed to be some general questions on uh, you know, how to talk to commies, and instead you're getting doomer pills. Like, let me look up, I, you know, since we're already down this rabbit hole, I'll look up the other thing that I was telling you about, right? Which is transformative social emotional learning.

>> That's the one I heard a lot from James Lindsay about. That's the one he was talking about constantly.

>> Like,

>> Okay. Yeah. How many? So, this one only has 1,200 citations, and then there's a revision or not a revision, just a reprint or something with 137. It's okay. It's got all, all the versions, right? But we can just read the abstract. "This article seeks to develop transformative social emotional learning, a form of intended to promote equity and excellence among children, young people, and adults. We focus on issues of race and ethnicity as a first step forward to addressing the broader range of extant inequities. Transformative is anchored in the notion of justice-oriented citizenship, and we discuss issues of culture, identity, agency, belonging, and engagement as relevant expressions of the Collaborative for Academic, Social, and Emotional Learning five core competencies. We also point to programs and practices that hold promise for cultivating these competencies and the importance of adult professional development in making these efforts maximally effective for diverse children and youth. We conclude by offering a few next steps to further advance transformative SEL research and practice." Like, that's psycho.

>> You hear equity in the abstract, you already know it's cooked. Like

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, but, but notice that these are just the first steps.

>> So, so we're talking about are teaching children and training children to be agents of social justice in a critical democracy and indoctrinating them into critical race theory is just a first step. Right? It, they, they acknowledge right in the abstract, we know this isn't enough and we seek to do more and do better. They have to put a Maya that we understand that fully indoctrinating children with with misrepresentations and with psychological manipulation of children through the state is only a first step. What do you think about like, in school, if there's somebody who's liberty-minded or can see for what it is? Like, do you think that it'd be worthy for them to even try and push back?

>> No, not at all. But like my sister is a pretty fairly base libertarian leaning. She's like somewhere in between me and Nick Fuentes, if I'm being honest, right? Um, and, you know, what I told her? And she's in college now, right? She's in college getting a chemistry degree in efforts of hopefully going on to get a law degree, right? And, uh, and I told her, I was like, "Yeah, keep your [ __ ] opinions to yourself. Shut the [ __ ] up about that shit." And then she called me like a couple weeks later and was like, "Uh, yeah, like, like I, I, you know, like I, I was struggling with a paper and like I, you know, I'd gotten like a B on one paper and like these kids are writing all this dumb shit." And she was like, "So, you know what I did? I took your advice and I just wrote a [ __ ] paper on prison justice and like, you know, the ways in which, you know, the prison industrial complex and private prisons are, you know, are are [ __ ] over the poor community." She was like, "I got a hundred." And it was like, "Not even a good paper." I was like, "Yeah, that's what you do."

>> It feels awful cuz I had to write a paper recently about, um, who, who was that guy?

>> One second. Um, so Sean got asked is like, what's the exact topic for today's panel? Uh, we're talking about the general strike in Minnesota and like whether or not, you know, strikes and large strikes like ought we revitalize them. Ought we, um, you know, like, like how ought we engage with with the concept of strikes? Is this an effective thing, etc., etc., in in regards to Minnesota striking against ICE. And I'm sure we're going to talk about the Alex, um, Priti shooting and [ __ ] like that.

>> I had to write this paper about Eugene V. Debs, right? The socialist, uh, the socialist guy, and like the internal conflict of just talking about, oh, you know, like, oh, this, like writing my real opinion versus what the professor wants to hear. It's so, it kills me if you have to write what the professor wants to hear. Like, like, if I think the professor is good enough to grade my actual opinion. Do you think I should just go for it or just

>> No.

>> Freaking no. All right.

>> No.

>> I thought that'd be the answer. That's a

>> Here's the truth. Here's what you do. Here's what you do.

>> Um, whenever you have a professor, okay,

>> And you sign up for a class, the first thing you do

>> Is you're, are you an undergrad right now?

>> Undergrad. Yeah.

>> Okay. So, you're trying to take, how many credit hours are you trying to take? You trying to take 12, 15, or 18?

>> Taking 18 right now.

>> Okay. So, here's what you do. Um, you sign up for 18. You take 15. Every semester, this is what you do. You sign up for 18. You don't buy any books. You go to the first class of all of your classes and you look for any professor that has a whole bunch of red flags. Super, super [ __ ] woke weirdo. You're a white man. Get the [ __ ] out of that class.

>> Go to a professor's class and then take that class next semester with a different professor.

>> Okay. Go into the class and they say some dumb [ __ ] like, "I don't give A's in my class because nobody's perfect."

>> Right.

>> Yeah. You drop that class, right? You get, you drop those classes. Now you've got, you've gotten rid of the most toxic professors either because they're going to grade you like a crazy person or because you know that their politics are going to get in the way of like being able to have any like meaningful discussion or anything, right? So you avoid all the, all those professors. Next thing you do

>> After you've done that, you look them up on Google Scholar. You find out what research they've done and you read their most cited pieces of research.

>> Mhm.

>> Just, just the research. I mean, if they wrote a book and you really want to be a try-hard, read the book. Sure, whatever. But like, just their, just their articles that they've written. If they haven't written anything at all, just assume they're a woke [ __ ]. Keep your head down. Take the class. Whatever. Get through it. Don't, don't, you know what I mean? Just get the class done. If they have read like a couple of things, they have written a couple of things. Now you can actually read what it is that they're interested in, what research they do, and what their ideas are. Write your papers accordingly. Write your papers based off of what your professor thinks. Even better, right?

>> That's crazy. Yeah. You

>> Yeah, it's crazy. It's how you get straight A's with limited effort. I, I will say I had a, uh, a federal government professor who on the first day of class

>> Who on the first day of class defined the state as, uh, the monopoly on violence that is most widely accepted as legitimate. For that class, I wrote my real opinions and I got great grades.

>> Right, right, exactly. Like, it's, it's, it's the same if you happen upon one of those dudes too, right? But it's like, for the most part, you know what you're dealing with if you just read a couple, if you just read their research.

>> You go to the first day of class, drop

The one, drop the whichever one has the most red flags. You'll, if you do that, if you do the strategy that I just told you, right? You'll be able to make mistakes in your paperworks that you don't, that you miss, and you'll still get A's on them. You'll be able to take tests, and you, and you, and you won't have any one class where you're just struggling because the professor is an extreme hard ass for no reason, and you'll, you'll, you'll walk out with a 4.0.

>> So avoid all the African studies classes.

>> Yeah. Don't take those. I mean, I took a, I mean, I, I took, I had a sociology as is like, you know, one of my, one of my degrees, right? So like, I, I took all that [ __ ] and like, in the beginning, I tried to fight it, and it was rough, and then I learned that the hard way, and then I started getting A's in them with with little effort.

>> Oh, you have to metagame the the college.

>> Ah, dude.

>> Yeah.

>> That's so sad. That's so sad.

>> It's not a, you are not getting a real education. Give up that [ __ ] notion.

>> Give up. Let it go. College is not giving you a real education unless you're getting an engineering degree or software degree or something, and then maybe you're learning some useful things, but like 20% of your classes are useful, and the other 80% is nonsense that the federal government requires you to take in order for them to get funding because a bunch of activists fought for those things to be required.

>> Yeah. You're taking English and some social [ __ ] and like some art [ __ ] that is completely irrelevant to your engineering degree. But the government said, in order for us to get it, that's what you get.

>> That's how you succeed is that you realize you're playing a [ __ ] game, not getting an education. So play the game to win. To take a philosophy class. And I, uh, I don't know. I, I think the philosophy field is probably full.

>> Don't take a philosophy class. Take a logic class. It'll count for your philosophy degree and it'll be immensely more helpful.

>> Okay, that's math.

>> It'll be like, um, like half of it will be about learning logical fallacies, and the other half of it will be like, uh, mapping sentences like A and B versus A then B versus.

>> Oh, that's per, I'm doing computer science, so it's just boolean logic. Yeah. Okay.

>> It's, it's just, yeah, it's very basic boolean logic. So, if you're doing, if you're doing computer science already, it'll be a [ __ ] breeze. And then the other [ __ ] will just be interesting [ __ ] like logical fallacies.

>> Okay. Okay.

>> It'll be an easy class and then you'll just learn [ __ ].

>> You take a, you take an intro to philosophy and you, and you'll have to listen to [ __ ]. You have to listen, you'll have a whole [ __ ] section on abortion.

>> And you'll hear the dumbest opinions. Yes. Abortion. Abortion. You'll have to hear about the violinist, right? Like, and you know, and you'll have to hear about like all this, right? And that, that's.

>> High school already, though.

>> Like,

>> Yeah, college is just high school 2.0.

>> That's so sad.

>> Yeah. Don't take, don't take a philosophy course. Unless you're getting a philosophy degree or you're getting like a humanities degree, then obviously you want to take those classes. But if you're getting a computer science degree, just take logic.

>> Yeah. I know. Uh, I, I, I read Brian Kaplan's book, the, uh, the case against education, and I, I thought previously that education was sort of useful at least, but I mean, he kind of pushed me to that it's just a piece of paper.

>> It's really just a piece of paper. I mean, like there it has some very small.

>> Usefulness. Ogre, you might have the Archon quest. It almost sucked me in, but sometimes I burnt through the lines. It is hilarious when you just read something out of chat with no context. You're just like, "Oh, okay." Yeah. Um, my third world uni doesn't even teach you logic. So telling, so telling bro moment. Oh, that's rough, dude. Um, who are you on a call with again? This is Poval. Poval's in chat a lot of times. Poval seems like a cool one, young man. You know, just trying to, just trying to, just trying to make you [ __ ] succeed, you know?

>> But yeah, no, it's not useless. I mean, even as an employer, it's not completely useless because like, you know, if I'm an employer and I see someone that has like straight A's in college, I have to worry that they're a woke [ __ ]. I do. You know what I don't have to worry about? If I give them a task, they're not going to get so distracted that they can't complete the task. I know that you can write a paper. I know that you can like go through something for four years and get it done, right? Like, so it still has some uses to the.

>> It has the signaling, the signaling aspect of it.

>> But you're, you're already starting to see that crumble away.

>> Rip into POV to do CLEP exams to skip a lot of this [ __ ].

>> I don't know.

>> I was looking it up. I, I, I, I'm 50/50 on CLEP. Here's the problem with CLEP. CLEP is here's the good thing about CLEP, right? You skip it, you save money, you get it done, whatever. Problem is, CLEP exams, for whatever reason, don't look very good on your transcripts. If you're only planning to get a bachelor's degree, CLEP can be pretty good. But if you're planning to go to grad school, CLEP can be, CLEP makes you look like a try-hard. And then, and like the, the, the administration that is like trying to get you into the school, you know, they'll look at it as like, oh, he doesn't commit. They have like all these really bad feelings about CLEP. So if you're going to grad school, I would actually counsel against doing CLEP exams.

>> I'm just doing the four-year. Actually, I'm doing the two-year and then the four-year. So it might even be better to do CLEP because.

>> Yeah. If you're doing an associate's and then doing that, then just straight up do do CLEP in your associate's and and and CLEP out of a few classes.

>> CLEP out of the philosophy class. Yeah.

>> African studies class.

>> I mean, you can CLEP out of a logic class, probably.

>> If they offer it. You, it depends on your school, too, like what they do and don't offer and whether and how much you have to pay for it. It's, it's not so bad.

>> One thing I will tell people is if you speak a second language, CLEP out of the [ __ ] language. Just do it. If you're like, if you're already fluent in Spanish, like just CLEP out of Spanish.

>> What is CLEP?

>> Uh, Europore here. Basically, you pay a small amount of money to take a test to say, you know, um, I already know all of this. And then if you do well on the test, then they'll give you the credit for the college course because you've proven that you already know all of this.

>> Yeah. It's like taking the final exam for the class without having to sit through the semester, right? You still have to pay for it, but it's way cheaper than like the tuition cost.

>> Yeah. It's like a hundred bucks, I think, for each test. Not bad at all. Uh.

>> What am I weird about? What? Oh, okay. I missed something. Will you stop telling people to look up Chris Chan? Stop.

>> So you, you do know, you know, you know there's a YouTube channel out there called like the comprehensive history of Chris Chan. It's got like.

>> Stop, stop telling people to look up Chris Chan. Chris Chan is the most terrifying person in the world to me.

>> He, he's the most documented human on the internet. And listen, listen, listen. When you tell, when Mark tells me about long dead serial killers, that stuff is haunting, but it's not as haunting as Chris Chan because he's [ __ ] alive and he's in Virginia somewhere.

>> Like there is.

>> There, right? There is a non-zero chance that I could just see Chris Chan at the local Walmart.

>> Well, when you see him, ask him how the merch is going. All right. I'm not caught up on. I don't want to get caught up on the Chris Chan lore.

>> You should get caught up. There's, it's really easy. It's only an hour an episode. There's about 120 of them on this YouTube channel.

>> God damn, dude. That's.

>> Shorter than One Piece. It's shorter than One Piece. So, you could do it. I'm sure you could.

>> I haven't watched One Piece because it's too [ __ ] long. I'm not doing it.

>> I tried to read the manga because I was like, I'll read the manga and it'll be quick. Get caught up, right? And then I started reading the manga and I got to like episode four or like the the fourth chapter and I was like, this is, this is rough. Like I, uh, this is very [ __ ] goofy and not my thing. I feel bad. I just don't like it.

>> Besides the Chris Chan thing, you should also try this whole Roblox thing. Do the.

>> I'm not getting, I'm not doing Roblox. I'm not going on the pedes the game.

>> You don't have to be on the ped. Look, you just, you just scan the face of what's his name from GTA. It'll give you like 45 years old. All right? And then, then you can go on to like the 18 plus section and then you don't have to worry about like screaming kids and you could debate people. You could smurf people. You could do what, uh, what Andrew Wilson does on TikTok, but do it on Roblox.

>> I'm not doing that.

>> I'm not doing Roblox. Like this is such a.

>> What if the remnant is on Roblox, man? Like I don't want them. It's the same thing when I bump into Ancap furries, right? Like I, I see Ancap furries online and I'm like, and I'll read a tweet and I'll be like, that's a base tweet. Guess what's not getting a like and a retweet? That because I don't want anybody to see. Shut the [ __ ] up. I'm not unbanning you on Discord. You got banned once and then you [ __ ] came back and you got banned again because you don't know how to behave like a normal human. I'm sorry, Slope. You, you know, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times, [ __ ] the peace sign, load the chopper, let it rain on you. All right. Well, this was sufficiently dark. I'm going to hop out of here.

>> Yeah. All right, man. Thanks for having me on.

>> Yeah, of course. Of course. That was Povvall, everybody. And you too can be on the show at some point and chat it up with me if you really want to. Uh, you know, you just got to be in the Discord. Listen, Scott, we need more ancaps from the IT space. Leave the fries alone. No, dude. But like the fries like I just, I'm not about it. Like I don't want them as an ally. Like I don't think they're helping. What's wrong with the fries? Real simple. I am doing everything I can to fight for the concept that libertarians are not just [ __ ] degenerate weirdos. Retweeting furries isn't helping. You know what I mean? I'm in the Discord and we've never chatted. What the [ __ ] I mean, I've, I've chatted plenty on here. I don't know if we have or haven't, but when I'm live streaming, there's literally a live stream waiting room. Like, if I know who people are, I got no problem like hopping in. If I don't know who you are and I don't recognize the name, I'm not necessarily guaranteed to hop in. That being said, like in 10 minutes, we're going to, uh, I'm going on that panel. Oh my god. Click the right. Dude, I'm about to, I'm about to [ __ ] time you out, Slope is Dope, just because you're annoying me. Seriously though, get caught up on the. I'm not getting caught up on the Chris Chandler. I don't want to know, dude. Been in the Discord for like. Oh, yeah. Prime guys. Yeah, I mean, it's Monday night. It's a Prime Kai panel. I kind of like the topic, to be honest. I like talking about the history of of like wildcat riots and [ __ ] that stuff. Fabian is fake news. What are you talking about? I was literally just in the Discord just now talking with a viewer for like an hour. What do you mean? Oh no. Cass, what are you DMing me now? Oh god. Hold on. I'm not even going to look at it. I'm not even going to look. I'm just going to [ __ ] I'm just going to open it up and see what it is. We're just going to, we're going to trust that Casmir didn't send me something that can't go on the YouTube channel. That's just weird. I don't know. I'm not, uh. They Live. I do enjoy a good They Live reference. I'll give you that. John Carpenter is the goat. I feel like John Carpenter doesn't get enough respect. Who's with me? Are we, are we, are we in the belief that you missed the live reaction to the I hypocrite meme post? I mean, it's still up. You know what I mean? Like the video hasn't been taken down. I don't, like I don't take down my live streams. Not unless they're like, not unless YouTube makes me do it. Dude, the thing. What are all the John Carpenter folks? [ __ ] what is it? Escape from Pin 13. Um, They Live, The Thing. All John Carpenter. Right. Right. So, we got The Ward, not that good. Cigarette Burns, awful. Masters of Horror, I don't know what that is. Ghost of Mars from 2001 was, uh, bad, but whatever. Vampires was kind of bad. But [ __ ] Escape from LA and Escape from New York. [ __ ] the best. All right. Snake Pliskin. Let's go. The Fog was good. [ __ ] Assault on Precinct 13. Uh, Big Trouble in Little China is still one of my favorite movies. Prince of Darkness. I don't think I've actually watched that one. I missed that one somehow. Memoirs of Invisible Man, not that good. Body Bags, not that good. I don't know why. I don't, I don't even like horror. Like I need you to understand I dislike horror, but I like John Carpenter. Prince of Darkness is really good. I'm writing it down. If you tell me that like a, a horror movie is good, like I know it's good. Just watched Escape from New York recently. Hell yeah, dude. I had a pet, uh, a pet possum called Snakeliskin. Fabian just doesn't want to chat with me because I'm a dirty minarchist and he has excluded me from being a libertarian. Dude, I'm about, like I talk with so many peoples. Carpenter is a well-respected and beloved director and effect creator. What the [ __ ] are you talking about? Yeah, amongst [ __ ] movie nerds. I'm talking about like people don't watch his movies anymore and like people don't talk about him. Like, yeah, if you're watching [ __ ] Zach Miko, I'm sure he's, I'm sure he gives raving reviews, but like, you know, I think Invisible Man needs to be graded on a curve because it wasn't a horror and Chevy Chase wanted to be serious. Open border libertarians when their wives demand an open border relationship. Oh man, funny. Bad argument, but funny. What is this message request? What, what new bot is coming after me? Uh, ignore Fabian dodging me because I'll alienate his Christ cuck viewers. Bro, I talked so much [ __ ] on Christians literally yesterday. What are you talking about? You just always like, you're such a troll. We're about to go have a blast on this panel. It's about to be dope. What is an open border libertarian? Like a no border libertarian? Yeah, pretty much. I believe in private borders, not open borders. I refuse to say that I'm for open borders because it's, it just doesn't match what I actually believe. When people hear the term open border. Yeah. Yeah. It's a code for pedophile, which is also a code. Shut up. All right, let me hop in here. Uh, hop in here and take a piss. Where is it? Testing. Testing. All right, that works. All right. All right, boys. I'll be right back. What are you doing? Heat. Heat. Control. All right. All right, boys. We're back. Well, we're a minute away from whatever, but you know what I mean. How do I skip this ad? What are you talking about? Just me using the restroom? Be faster, bro. The bidet ad sucks. Yo, bidet's are, bidet's are on point, dude. You, everyone should get a bidet. Dirty buttholes. Whoa. Jump scare. Oh.

>> Darn. Better luck next time.

>> Yeah. Uh, I take this as a surrender. So, um. Oh, here he is. Uh, nope. No, that's actually someone else. Um, but, uh, uh, hello, uh, there he is. Uh, hello, uh, gentlemen. Hope you're all doing.

>> Good evening.

>> Um, good evening.

>> Yeah.

>> Um, or.

>> I was gonna say, I have a qu, maybe a quick question.

>> Sure.

>> And obviously the chances of this happening, uh, depends on, you know, uh, how gender-neutral your first name is. But would you ever date or marry someone, uh, with the first name as you? Uh, I, I asked, I asked because for whatever reason, an algorithm, uh, whatever suggested a podcast to me. Okay. It's the podcast of, uh, Taylor Lautner, who played Jacob in Twilight. Turns out his wife, her name is Taylor. She took his last name, and so he's married to Taylor Lautner.

>> What if it calls her Tay just to make things less awkward when they're.

>> Tay actually, um.

>> I can't prove that this is narcissism, but I have a sneaking suspicion. You know what I mean? Like, like I feel like Detective Do's like, you know, like something suspicious that you want to be married to yourself.

>> But then she, she changed, she took his last name.

>> Yeah. I mean.

>> I mean, it wouldn't matter because if he took her last name, then she would be married to herself.

>> Yeah. Exactly. So I don't know where the narcissism begins or ends, but.

>> Yeah. Um, I mean, that, it's just unlikely to happen to me. I have a, uh, an ultra.

>> But I have a gender-neutral.

>> Gender.

>> Ultramasculine first name. So.

>> Hypermasculine.

>> Hypermasculine, I think it's the proper, uh, nomenclature for that. So unlikely to happen, uh, to me, but, um, maybe Lactoid. Uh, hey, hey, Lactoid. Uh.

>> Hey, what's up? Can you hear me? Okay.

>> Hey, friend. What's up? Um.

>> What's up?

>> Yeah. What's your answer to this question?

>> Yeah, I think I'd probably date a girl of any name, assuming that she's attracted enough. And, uh, how do I phrase this?

>> Would you want her to take your last name?

>> The the watch comes with all original parts. Let's say maybe, uh, no aftermarket pieces installed.

>> So no plastic surgery whatsoever at all.

>> Uh, probably. I mean, unless there was some kind of like horrific accident. I might tolerate that.

>> You might.

>> I'm saying, look, I'm just saying that.

>> You got to revise the original parts there. Uh.

>> Yeah. Yeah. The, uh, the X-X-X is potentially required or is required, I would say. Yeah.

>> Okay. Hold on. Hold on. But we all know. So, uh, maybe Alex doesn't know this, but, um, uh, the rest of us, uh, should know that Lactoid, um, pushes and something actually, I've, I've sort of adopted here. Okay. Right. He talks about how, um, marriage, right? The marriage contract should be long and specific. Right. Um, and have like an endless number of clauses. What a surprise, the lawyer decided to do that. Um, but, um, he, I guess within that, yeah, with within this, uh, marriage contract, he put then yes, no, uh, plastic surgery, which gives him an out, right? Uh, if she does go through horrific accident, then he does a calculation and.

>> No, there, there can be like I.

>> A stipulation, right?

>> I'm, I'm trying to like, I don't, I don't know what Twitch's policy on this, but, um, I, I think it should be pretty clear what I'm saying. Like the name doesn't matter as long as.

>> You're talking about not trans. I got it. Yeah. Sure. Um, but I didn't say it. Like.

>> Okay. Sure.

>> It's somehow, somehow he got even more like a lawyer as time went on.

>> I didn't say it, you said it.

>> Um, yeah. Interesting. Okay. So that's the only thing you're concerned about. So then. Oh. Oh. Okay. Okay. So maybe we, we were misinterpreting this before. Okay. So, so that's not what you meant previously. Not in terms of, uh, uh, uh, their plastic, like ordinary plastic surgery. Meaning, right, you wouldn't mind if she enhanced her boobs or whatever.

>> No, no, no. I, I take that into consideration as well, for sure.

>> Okay.

>> Not, not a dealbreaker, though. Potentially.

>> It, potentially, again, it would really depend on the circumstances. Like I don't know if I could date somebody who like went through extensive plastic, optional kind of plastic surgery because, you know, with the cheeks and the fillers and all that. I think that would be, that just doesn't attract me. And also I think the kind of personality that would do that might not attract me as well.

>> Um, but again, like I can imagine, let's say, oh, I had cancer and had to get my left breast removed. I'm, I'm probably gonna be pretty accommodating for a scenario like that.

>> What about after marriage or whatnot? Is that.

>> I would. Yeah, I would still be accommodating, right? Like if, if I would be able to put.

>> No, but like, would you divorce if they opted to like, well, I changed my mind 20 years down the line. I want.

>> Yeah. Again, if it's entirely like volunt, like, you know, yeah, I want to get giant lip fillers and look like a duck. Yeah. I think that would be, that'd be a no-go.

>> No, no, no, no, no. Let's not push giant. No, no, no, no. Well, we, like we, we have an idea.

>> Mutated lips that are inhuman that you never.

>> Yeah. Yeah. We got our minds. Like.

>> The lip filler thing is out of [ __ ] control. Like there are so many attractive girls.

>> There's so many attractive girls where it's like, man, like if you just hadn't ruined your lips, like this is just silly looking.

>> Like it's, it's like they're all tra. This is, I will say the things Lactoid is afraid to say. It is as if Hollywood and so many attractive women have been soped into some way of all trying to look like hot trans girls instead of just looking like [ __ ] girls. They get the buccal fat removal. They get the lip filler. It's like it's all the girls are going through female, uh, facial facialization surgery. And it's like, you didn't need that. You were already cute and now you look off. I'm not saying you look ugly, right? Like a lot of times they look fine, but they just look off. Like there's an uncanny valley where you no longer look like.

>> Uncanny valley.

>> Right? Like you no longer look like you, you like, like the way you were made. There's not, like there's character missing from your face. There's like, there's something missing.

>> Something's off. Yeah. It doesn't really look right.

>> And it's just, it's no bueno.

>> Isn't that the case with all plastic surgery, though? Doesn't it almost always look off?

>> Yeah, most of it. But if it's reconstructive.

>> No, I'm saying if it's reconstructive, I'm more, uh, open.

>> I think certain rhinoplasties and things like that for girls that had like, you know, [ __ ] big schnozzes and they get a little bit shaved down, I think it probably, it often looks better, right? And there are, there are levels to it obviously, like some surgeons are really good, some are really bad. Like some of them look pretty natural, but I mean, like, but, but like you have like a giant insecurity about a thing. Like I don't really give a [ __ ] if you want to look better in that regard. And if it improves you, pro, and you like it better, I probably like you liking it better. Like I don't really care. But, but there is this like race towards like this, this need to constantly improve that is pathological. And very often you're seeing things that are seen now as like minor changes that just don't look better, but they look better to women for other women and they don't look better to men. How much part of do you think, uh, like AI and, um, CGI kind of stuff has to play into that? Like this idea?

>> I, I think what you're talk, actually filters, like, yeah, Instagram filters, that would be what you're talking about. Um, and I think that actually plays a lot, actually, I'm positive it plays a lot, uh, into that because we have, um, instances of like women, plenty of instances of women like going to their, um, surgeon, right, with with pictures from on of them on Instagram using a filter, right, and say like, hey, like this, you know, uh, this is like a huge thing. Uh, and not just.

>> Sometimes, sometimes it [ __ ] works out great. Like look at before and after pictures of Lindsay Lohan, right? Like Lindsay Lohan used to be an icon of beauty, duty, then got hardcore into drugs, you know, aged, looked [ __ ] up, and then she got one of those like, you know, complete facial reconstructive things where they like do like four or five surgeries in one. And like, I'm going to be real with you, she looks a lot better, right? She still looks a little off, you know? She still, there is like an uncanny valley thing and like certain angles it looks weird, right? And I still am like predominantly against it, but like, yeah, some, it's a roll of the dice, you know what I mean? Sometimes you do end up looking better, but I think more, more and more it is, it is about, uh, you know, so much of female psychology is reputation management, and so much of it is female-centric, and so there's a disconnect between what it is that men find attractive and what women feel more confident in as they're perceived by other women.

>> No, no, I want to push you on this. Okay. Uh, and I want to introduce politics into this, and, um, uh, we'll see where we end up, uh, here. Um, so, uh, one, I don't think you're like necessarily like completely wrong about what you just said, uh, uh, Scott, right? Um, but I want to add to it. One, I think that, uh, uh, women, and we've seen this like throughout the modern era, right? Like I'm saying like, like since like the 1920s or whatever, right? Um, like with the, like the birth of like, um, uh, the, uh, uh, the, uh, advertising, uh, like industry, right? That women are not simply responding to like what other women find attractive. No, in fact, they're responding to what men tell them are attractive, right? Through the beauty industry that they control, um, and that they market.

>> Well, gay men and women through the beauty industry, right?

>> No, no, no, no. That's too much. No, I, I can't, I can't let you get away with that. Yes, you will find gay men, right, during, uh, in like the fashion industry in terms of like, uh, you know, like designers and stuff, but in terms of people owning, uh, the industry and people marketing the industry, right, like the ad execs, those are, well, as far as we know, most of most of them straight men. Um.

>> Most major, most major makeup brands are owned by women or gay men at this point. Correct.

>> I, I don't know if that be the case. Um, maybe, uh, you're correct now, but I'm saying that like throughout the 1970s, you'd 100% be right. Right. I think there was like one major one. I can't remember her name.

>> Um,

>> For the most part, you'd be correct that it was, you know, I mean, obviously corporate America was all predominantly white men, regardless. Like, not that that per se matters, but.

>> Yeah.

>> All right. Let me. So, okay.

>> Go ahead.

>> Well, actually, you know what? Um, I'll leave it there. I have more, but you want to jump in. Um, Greg, go ahead.

>> Yeah. Yeah. So, what do you, I kind of, pardon me. I don't, voice is being weird. Um, it seems like, uh, the social, there's a social aspect of this that maybe we don't want to talk about, and that's that women are being told that they could be basically young forever and, uh, you know, they run around and till their mid-20s and all of a sudden, that 27, 28-year-old wall that we all hear about, whether that is.

>> Even by run around, just to clarify a little.

>> Not get married and, you know, and then all of a sudden they're, they find that they're not getting as many dates, they're not as attractive, and the men in their age range want to date 20-year-olds and not, and, and not 28 or 29-year-olds. And, uh, and all of a sudden the option, that option of plastic surgery seems a lot more palatable than maybe it would have earlier. Do we, do we give any credence to social pressure in that direction?

>> Yeah, I'm sure that's an element. I don't know that I characterized that most women run around and.

>> Correction, correction. No, I'm wrong. It's still straight men. Um, I'm looking cuz I'm looking it up now. Like most of the moguls, most of the names you hear about are going to be women and gay men, but when it comes to, um, L'Oreal, Estee Lauder, Unilever, Proctor and Gamble owns a lot, um, like a lot of the major corporations that especially the [ __ ] you're finding like in CVS or just like, you know, you're just going to Ulta and buying like a regular brand, right? Like all of the all of the influencer brands, all the things you hear about, all the things that go viral might be that way, but like, but in, but in terms of like, in terms of sales, right? Like it's still predominantly male-driven CEOs, etc.

>> Yeah, fair enough. Um, yeah, but, uh, to agree, and I think, and I'd love to hear who I have to say is this. Well, I mean, like, yeah, I mean, I think we agree that social pressure, um, uh, certainly plays a role. Um, and like, yeah, there are women who feel that like, uh, you know, they only have so many birthing years left, right? Um, and they got to land the plane now, you know, the plane.

>> That's actually good.

>> I think some of it could be cultural as well because, you know, like in Korea, in South Korea, they, um, 16-year-old girls get plastic surgeries for their birthday.

>> Like their family will give them a plastic.

>> Well, that, that the eye surgery is like super common in Korean culture.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> It's probably harder to find a 20-year-old girl in South Korea that.

>> It, it's probably hard to find one that hasn't had work done.

>> South Korea, South Korea, and, and surgeries is like, uh, I would say if you want to go down that rabbit hole, which I have before, is not for the faint of heart. Like there's a lot of dark stuff when it comes to that industry, especially when you look at K-pop idols and like, I mean, like K-pop idols, many of those girls.

>> I mean, like they're basically popular icons that corporations sex traffic as children. Like they, they many of them get surgeries before they're 18 and lie about it and say that they never occurred. They are like groomed in the industry, like, like it gets, and like, and then they set so much of the popular media and so much of the marketing on like this concept of perfection, but like so many of them are literally crafted by surgeons.

>> Um, but no, to go even further. I mean, like in terms of like the, what you were referring to being groomed and sexually assaulted. There was a massive like rape ring, um, uh, that was like based out of like.

>> I was, I was, I was being, I was being Twitch safe for once, you know, but like.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Like I'm just saying, like it was specifically on the topic of.

>> Of surgeries and things.

>> Yeah, it's, but, but I would agree it's, it's quite dark. Um, okay, so now I'm going to try to introduce a bit of friction here.

>> Well, they're Korean, so they're not that dark.

>> Oh, okay. I see. Okay.

>> I see.

>> Okay. Uh, or no, they don't like it when you're that dark, right? There are darker, uh, Koreans. They don't like it.

>> That is where a lot of the good skin whitening cream comes from is Korean.

>> Most of my wife's cosmetics are Korean. That's not even a, I'm not even joking about that.

>> They got good cosmetics. I mean, they're.

>> They would be the experts.

>> But, and okay, so I'm going to try to introduce a bit of fiction, uh, within our conversation, right? Uh, because now I would agree that what we've been talking about definitely, uh, applies across the board when we're talking about like young women, young to even older, older, uh, uh, women, right? But, and I'm curious if you guys think this is true. Um, there is what people are calling the Mar-a-Lago look, where there's a certain, um, uh, look, uh, specifically among conservative, uh, circles, conservative women, right? Uh, a very homogenized, um, very plastic, like blonde, like lip filler, nails, thing, blown up lips that like.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sort of like that, right? Um, that really does, like, according to this is what made me think of it when Scott said, like, yeah, they're looking like, um, uh, trans individuals, right? Being sometimes literally being mistaken for trans. Like, there's a push within some of these circles, um, and I'm not, of course, talking about your wives or girlfriends or anything like that, but like in some of these circles to like homogenize, um, themselves, kind of like that Fox look, Fox News look, right?

>> I mean, that's been a thing forever, right? Like the specific, you know, [ __ ] stepped housewife blonde, this body shape with large tits and not too big of a butt. The like, you know, yeah. I, and, and the thing is is like, obviously I'm being a little tongue in cheek when I talk about the trans situation, but I mean, it's, it's just a, it's not like they're trying to look trans. They're trying to taste chase a surgery, you know, a, a, a surgery path towards this like ideal carbon copy of like woman within the entertainment industry, within, you know, Instagram, etc. And they end up looking trans because they end up getting the same [ __ ] surgeries. They get the buccal fat removal. They get, you know, uh, their chin shaved a little bit. They get, you know, they get the facelift and they get this alien almost feline look to them at a certain point.

>> Like they just had a bad allergic reaction to shellfish or some [ __ ] like that because they all look [ __ ] atrocious. Like Laura Loomer [ __ ] [ __ ] dude. Holy hell. Like, and that's what I don't, and the thing is is like, maybe it's because, you know, I don't know, it's just like this appeal that they need to have, even though it looks atrocious. I, I can definitely agree about like how surgery, back surgery can't go bad. There's a lot of reasons to why people actually go to Mexico because it's cheaper to get plastic surgery done there, but it usually comes out looking really [ __ ] bad. Now, a lot of the, uh, uh, you know, conservative women that get the Mar-a-Lago treatment, their husbands are wealthy. They can afford the good surgery, but I don't, I can't explain as to why it goes so bad. I'm sure they could find great doctors that can take care of this stuff, but, you know, maybe that's where their husbands crash grinder wraps every time they have a little convention or something, you know. I don't know. AH. UM, OKAY.

>> I do, I do want to actually touch on that a little bit, right? And see where it go.

>> Careful. Touch on what. I'm talking about docking.

>> Touching another penis with my penis. That's what I'm talking about.

>> Um, no. Um, but oh, I was going to ask, uh, before we, we, we leave this specific section, uh, what do you guys think of Christine Gohmert specifically?

>> You mean, are we talking about her like face, or are we talking about.

>> Yeah. Yeah. What she, like her, her transformation? She's like, I mean, she's.

>> Well, hopefully you think she's a dog [ __ ] individual, but like in terms of her, her transformation, you can see, uh, if you just Google it, right? Chrissy before and after, right? There's a stark difference, um, over a span of years. Yeah.

>> Um, so like, what do you guys think? Like, that's an improvement or is a problem? Thoughts?

>> Problem look, but yeah, I don't know.

>> That's what happens if you choose to sleep with Cory Lewandowski, you end up looking like that. A train wreck.

>> Okay. I mean.

>> But yeah.

>> I don't want to sound too gay here, but like, I just don't look at her that way, you know what I mean? Like, like there's certain, like certain political figures or things like that. It's like, like this might actually be the first time I'm like thinking about like, is she attractive or not attractive? Like I don't, like there's certain people that I just wouldn't view that way because like, it's a political figure that I despise. You know what I mean? Like I don't, like I don't like, like I don't know that I can even like, I'm, I'm too, I want to be objective, but I would be literally too objective because the penis is not in play because the brain does not want the penis to be in play. You know what I mean? Like, like I'm too unattracted to her personally to be able to like.

>> Yeah. Like I don't know. Like I just, like, like I said, I don't want to sound like maybe I'm too low T, boys. Who [ __ ] knows? But like, I just, like, I just don't see her that way. I'm just like, "Oh, look at this gross bitch." You know what I mean? Like.

>> I, I, I can have sex with Republican women. I can, I can manage that.

>> What if she was.

>> I didn't say Republicans. I'm talking about like her specifically as like a figure that is just lying through her teeth every time she's on TV and has Nazi slogans [ __ ] on her podium. Like she's, she's another level of crazy that I'm just like, "No, I don't even think of like."

>> So assuming that she had plastic surgery, which it kind of looks like she did, although never been admitted. Um, I like the way beforehand.

>> Yeah, I'm looking at her.

>> Like the way she looked beforehand. Yeah, I think she looked more natural beforehand. Basically in line with everything that I've said.

>> Well, she's also presumably younger as well. So, I mean, that might.

>> Well, I understand she's younger, but like, it's not just that.

>> That many years. It was a pretty small tracking period of time that she's had this transformation.

>> But, but I mean, but like when you actually look at the differences, like her eyes seem higher up. Um.

>> There's almost.

>> There's almost like this, uh, waxy look that I've noticed, uh, with people get a lot of plastic surgery. Like there's a reflective.

>> Kind of sheen around their, especially on their cheeks, but around their, around their eyes.

>> It could be for central casting because Trump does go for people that fit in central casting. That's like one of his biggest things. He wants people that look good on TV. That's why she puts on 16 different costumes in two different press conferences in less than an hour. It's just like she'll wear a cowboy hat and next thing you know she's wearing a tiara. I mean, she's.

>> I mean, it could just be a [ __ ] ton of. Yeah, it could just be a [ __ ] ton of makeup. It's possible. There is no plastic surgery.

>> Um, but regardless, I mean, I'm looking at a picture right here of like how she.

>> It looks like two different people. Yeah. This is.

>> She looks more like normal.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Her, her lips were like super thin, uh, previously and now they're like much expanded. So at the very least, she's had a lip done. Um, I, I can't, couldn't name, I'm not a plastic surgeon. I couldn't name you all the things that she's had done. But there's a, there's a transformation there.

>> Um.

>> I'm just not interested enough to be honest. It's.

>> Fair.

>> Someone in my chat said it's a mixed bag because she looks fake and old, but before she thought the Karen cut was a good look.

>> I do. That was awful.

>> That's [ __ ] funny. H.

>> Yeah. Um, okay. Uh, all right. So then the last thing, just because Alex brought it up, I wasn't gonna like talk about this, but Alex brought up. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it now. All right. Okay. All right. Um, so what I have heard many times from many different sources, right? It's not just once. This is like, like, and these are anecdotes, right? So I, I'll admit that I don't have like a hard data, some study for you guys to look at. Okay, fair enough. Um, but I've heard this from many different sources, many different videos on this that, uh, conservative men seem to be really into like alt, uh, women that like, uh, uh, a very alternative, like, like chase a lot of liberal women, like the exact type they, uh, they trash online. Um, and yeah, I'll leave it there that like, um, uh, there seems to be like a, like a big attraction on them. Obviously, I'm not talking about either any of you, all right? And making judgments about whatever you guys like, right? But like within the conservative movement, there's just like a, a lot of men into women that they would otherwise be condemning.

>> Uh, I mean, when I was a younger man, I found liberal women to be very liberal with certain aspects of their.

>> You were the running around.

>> That was the running around. I just let them land the plane.

>> No, if I, if I learn that a woman is is like right-wing, it makes her more attractive to me, I guess.

>> Okay.

>> How, how right-wing? Like, uh, like the sky's. Okay. Wow.

>> Like, like I think a lot of.

>> Tight leather can look good.

>> Yeah. I mean, I think I think a lot of like penned up guys are obviously going to go for some level of like additional excitement in their life if they're feeling degenerate, right? And I feel like this is like this is obviously true of women as well, right? Like there are a lot of like there are a lot, like for example, right now, one of the trending like fetish, um, um, romance novel categories is Ice Agent, right? Like, like women, women love the concept of a man that is a monster that they dislike, right? And there's a lot of sexual fetish from like women of like conservative MAGA patriarchy man that like, you know, is doing this. There's a lot of women in Europe that have sexual fantasies about, um, immigrants, right, that are like using them and controlling them, right? Like I think I think when you, when you kind of give in to, you know, sexual desire, be it male or female, be it straight or gay, I think often, you know, as you're getting, especially if you're getting into like degenerate things or looking for excitement as opposed to looking for a partner or love, um, you're going to look to, you're going to gravitate towards those things that maybe you, you're going to explore a side of yourself that isn't normal because you're looking for excitement. So, you're going to explore a side of yourself that feels differently than you actually do. But, I mean, this is also kind of the whole thing around like CNC.

right? Consensual non-consent is that it's like, >> is it really that that's what you deeply want in your whole life as a woman to be raped? No. But you like the idea of exploration with danger. You like the idea of exploration with a monster. You like the idea of an exploration with a masculine man. And the same thing I think is probably going to be true with very, you know, tight-knit men is that, you know, that are conservative. They want to feel like they're in control and they have a wife maybe even or a girlfriend or their experience has been women that have like, you know, nagged them and have like, you know, made them, you know, go to farmers markets and things like this and, you know, try to keep up this white picket fence. And so their version of excitement is somebody that's free and chaotic and exciting again, right? So, I just think this is like this is just very normal sexuality.

Um, and and I I think like the idea that conservative men being into liberal girls is like some extra weird type of fetish or thing to explore. I think I think is just kind of like looking at one dimension of normal sexuality and not expanding out again and realizing that we're all kind of like this. >> I don't uh sorry. So, when I look at it like this, right, like there are examples of, you know, conservative guys that like will shame women that do OF, but then they'll be sliding right up in them DMs asking for pictures or something like that. It happens all the time. I mean, we can't deny it. And like there's there's people like Ted there's people like Ted Haggard who was a far a big time evangelical preacher pastor that advocated against gay marriage. He was caught not once but twice with a male escort in a hotel. I mean, I cannot confir one. Yep. Right. >> Yeah. That's what I was Ted Hagard. >> Big one. Yeah. >> Yeah. Ted Haggard. Uh the thing is like a lot of these >> and and paying him in meth. Don't forget that part. >> Yeah. I I I can't forget that part. But the thing is is like listen, I don't care if you do that lifestyle. That's not that's none of my business. My only big thing is if it's consensual. If it's not consensual, then I have a problem. Like there are guys out there that like cuck themselves. I don't care. It's it's got I'm not going to get involved. That's for damn sure. But thing is, you can't be like, "Oh, you are an OF hooker." You know, I can't respect you. Yeah, fine. Whatever. Okay. Termin semantics. Okay. But anyway, then he's going to fly up in the DMs. >> Don't be scared. Just say it. >> Okay. Hory. Fine. Okay. So, anyway, sliding up in the DMs and then say, "Hey, can I get when can we hook up?" Something like that. Like, it's it's like they're ashamed of themselves. It's just like the guys that are like chasers essentially. They're ashamed that they're chasers, but now they have to put on this big show. Like, oh yes, I hate these people. They are monsters. It's like, it's just a show of force usually. Now, listen, if if you're into that stuff, hey, be free. Love it. You know, as long as it's consensual adults, I don't give a [ __ ] You guys can be furries for all I care. I don't give a [ __ ] >> Somebody in my chat said, "You're overthinking it, Scott. Tadcon men are dumb on average. They're just attracted to their peers."

>> Um, okay. >> No, not the right crowd. I I thought it would, you know, >> it's fine. I'm sorry. I'm busy doing something. Um though I Okay, so I want to I want to give a bit of push back uh though. Um so well a slight bit of push back. Um, uh, one I want to add, uh, that add on to what, uh, Scott was saying when he talked about, uh, women wanting like, um, let's just call them dangerous men or like men who are not a good idea. Um, >> hyper masculine in the toxic variety, right? Not integrated masculinity, but masculine nevertheless. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, uh, agree. So, I I I agree agree with that. Um, so I think this is someone something a woman told me years ago, right? Uh, she said that so much of those fantasies, basically rape fantasies, that type of thing comes from women feeling repressed in their own sexuality being that like they can't express like their own libidos, right? And so like in this case, this is an external force forcing them to do the things that they always wanted to do in the first place, right? And that's where like this the CNC like you we're referring to uh comes from.

>> Um so uh there's that. Um but in terms of what um uh Alex was I I think Alex uh said this um uh that like Oh yeah, he says he doesn't care, right? As long it's uh consensual. Well, actually I do have >> Yeah, I I do. >> Hot take. >> I don't care as long as you do it in the com in the in your own bedroom. But I I I actually do have more um uh requirements for it to be okay in my mind, right? Um because like not only are we talking about um uh these conservative men being attracted to alt women, right? Again, I'm not not making any statements about anyone here at all. Right? Um, but uh what I've also heard plenty of times, plenty plenty of times, right, is from trans women is that those same u men who attack them on Twitter slide into the DMs as well. >> They're called chasers. >> They're called chasers. That's what I brought up earlier. >> Exactly. Right. And so like my my problem is like uh sometimes like those trans women especially the ones who are uh uh who have less of a you know frankly self-respect uh for themselves um like and who feel desperate and want some sort of male validation right will actually date these uh individuals. And my problem with that is like this person like doesn't respect you, hates you, is completely ashamed of you. Um um but like you know wants to like engage like under the cover of night uh with activities with you like that's an issue for me. Um that's an issue when men like that like you know uh uh degrade these individuals and just like with the only fans uh uh women like the cis only fans women, right? You degrade these women but then you're constantly sexualizing them, constantly trying to get in their panties, right? Um the hypocrisy is just too much for me. I can't stand it. Um >> yeah. I mean toxic relationships are toxic. Like I don't like what is what is what's the argument though, right? Like you know what I mean? Like yeah the plenty of people involve themselves in in toxicity. I mean I mean to add another layer to this conversation, right? I do think that you're going to see things you're going to see fetish fetishes and things of that nature be a little bit more common in male sexuality. Um you know there is it's not the best research. It's it's difficult to do sex research um just in general because it's difficult to do psych research in general because like the only way to really isolate variables would be like you know unit 731 type [ __ ] like you can't lock people in a [ __ ] dungeon and then be like we'll study what happens to your sexuality if we traumatize you for the next 10 years or something right so it's a lot of self-report surveys and and things of that nature but there appears to be right and that's the strongest thing I can say is there appears to be a link, right, with sexual imprinting being more common amongst men, whereas changes in promiscuity being more common amongst women, right? And so women is, you know, like we can take the trauma element out or we can add the trauma element in, but trauma adds more variables, right? But let's just say like when sexuality differs in women um it tends to differ in how promiscuous they are, how much they're seeking validation or seeking sex or seeking hedonistic pleasure, right? And you see this, you know, in in in trauma um it's less controversial to talk about it with women um because for reasons we'll just say um where, you know, traumatic experiences can cause women to close off very much, right? be very nervous about having sex, be very uncomfortable, be very self-conscious, and it can have the opposite effect, right? Where they become very sexually promiscuous, like the the boundaries are are difficult for them to maintain, you know, they just kind of go and do all this. Whereas with men, you know, what you tend what you see more often, right? Obviously, changes in promiscuity are going to be a thing. Humans differ, etc. Um, but what you tend to see or what we what it seems to be a pattern is that men are more likely to fetishize an aspect of a person, be it a body part, a sex act, or, you know, an identity of some type. Um, you know, like some of the earliest sex research on this that wasn't done on humans, but was done on animals where like this theory, you know, kind of comes from is research between goats and sheep. And what they found is when you mix goats and sheep and separate them um you know as they're growing up and then reintroduce them into the populations, what you'll find is that the male goats will only be attract that that were that were separated will no longer be attracted to female goats. They only want to have sex with female sheep when they grew up in that domain.

>> Um whereas you get very little to no difference in the females. >> Um obviously there's kind of like a dominance thing here, you know what I So it's like it's a very difficult research to do but it seems to be a pattern. So so when you're looking at like fet fetishes amongst like you know conservative men I think I think it is important to say you know nothing definitive but also research seems to point that men are more likely to engage in in any type of fetish to sexually imprint at a young age that they're really into feet or they're really into goth girls or they're really into a different race or they're really into a different you know political climate whatever. Whereas women, the more natural reaction if it's maybe traumainduced or if it's just a personality difference is varying degrees of sexual promiscuity. So the women are less likely to go chase conservative men or, you know, get really into butts or something like that, whereas they're more likely to just have sex with a bunch of people within their identity group or maybe close off within their identity group.

>> Okay. Yeah. Uh agreed. And then last thing, then we can move on off of this and uh to uh the topic at hand. Um uh because I actually was watching a video on this just the other night. It came from my algorithm. Um do you all think uh that um you should date outside of your uh party or or like ideological affiliation or um you know like whatever like your your value. Let's let's make it even bigger. Your value group, right? Like whatever group like most um recognizes your your general values, right? Do you think you should Now I'm not talking about sex, right? I'll stick my dick in anyone. I don't care. Um I'm talking about like a relationship that you're looking for. Um uh to build a life with someone. Do you think that like uh people should even bother with that?

>> I don't think it's absolutely necessary, but I'm not opposed to it. But like just like with anything there's a there's a middle ground just like whatever with shared hobbies. So I think it's absolutely necessary to have your partner have the exact same or even similar hobbies. Let's say maybe one or two shared ones but even then uh I don't think that's like a necessity of like having a partner that has totally different hobbies might be a good thing in terms of like exploration all that stuff.

>> Uh but I think there's some when it comes to values especially like political values or like values that you hold dearly. I think there's some foundational ones uh without exactly specifying what those are, but I guess we can go through them. But like I think I think there will there will be some level of deviation that you can tolerate and that will vary person by person. But I do think there's uh I would at the end of the day I don't want to date a clone of myself. I could say that much.

>> Uh Lactoy, >> there's no specific deal breakers for me. My mentality with dating uh and really with friendships or any kind of relationship that you have with somebody is I'm kind of subconsciously keeping track of like a mental score of that person.

>> Oh, wait. Don't you have a spreadsheet as well? >> Well, potentially, right? Sometimes that helps. >> Potentially. >> Are you Did I misar some previous information or >> No, we can go into that. >> Okay. So, it's not just mentally, it's like literally a spreadsheet >> sometimes. Yeah. Sometimes it's uh physical in terms of an actual spreadsheet. Yes. Um, but assuming that we're not talking about the spreadsheet, uh, there is a mental score that I have of every individual that I'm interacting with.

>> The only reason that he pays for Microsoft Excel is for this >> right here for it. No, the free trial allows you to do it. >> Anyway, um, >> if somebody ranks very highly on their score, then you know, the relationship is probably going to be more uh, successful. um gonna be more willing to be with that person and if their score is really low then no right and if we have different values I think that lowers the score right that makes it less likely that it's going to be successful that makes it less likely that I'm going to want going to want to be with that person but not impossible um so you know also I'm factoring in their attractiveness their wealth their uh other personality traits they may have um in terms of you know how industrious they are, how caring they are, and then of course like political and religious values are also important part of that as well.

>> Okay, I'm I'm going to respond to that later on. But uh let's uh see grid. What what are your thoughts on this?

>> Well, uh when I was growing up uh my mom told me to date all kinds because you never know what you want unless you, you know, at least sampled it. >> Your mom said run around. >> Don't we can get into that, Corey. Just give me a minute. Just give me a minute. I I'll don't worry, salivate all you want. Um I was almost uh um I I never found that I need to have any particular hobbies or or extracurricular activities in common um to have a great relationship. Um I almost got married twice in college and um when those two didn't work out the way that the way I wanted them to, I became a degenerate for about 10 years.

>> Um and I mean a degenerate degenerate. Like I doubt that any of you >> are even in the same league. >> I'm curious now. We'll have to talk about that off camera. >> And then I decided to get married and I've been married for 20 years. My wife and I don't share the same hobbies. We occasionally I'll, you know, like she plays tennis. I hate tennis. I go play golf. Um, she doesn't, she's shot a match with me once, but she's not particularly interested in shooting. um you know uh I don't particularly care anything about banking on the level that she does, but it's interesting enough to to listen to um and I absolutely do listen uh to her when she talks about it. But um no, I don't I don't I don't think you have to absolutely do every damn thing together. As a matter of fact, I think familiarity sometimes can breed contempt and uh be harmful to relationships. So not that I'm a professional at relationships. I certainly sucked at enough of them to know what goes wrong, >> right? >> So, >> let's uh hear from Alex and then uh Scott.

>> So, when it comes down to the whole relationship bit, it's all about how you guys balance each other out, I would say. Because here's the thing. I'm a gamer. I'm a nerd. I love Star Trek science fiction stuff. You know, my wife is a horse person. I'm a horse husband, basically, right? So, that's a lifestyle for her. That's something that I have to take into account that this is a very important part of our identity. very expensive part. >> It's very expensive. Yes. But the thing is though is that like I support her because this is important to her. She supports me in the things that I like to do and that balances out. Now we enjoy spending time with one another with the time we do have. Um we'll like sit down, we'll watch Cobra Kai or some [ __ ] like that and then I'll go and [ __ ] off do my own thing. I'll come on panels and just talk about stuff like this. But the thing is is like we balance each other out but we also share the same value system. Now, when it comes down to values, it's basically talking about like family values. Do I have a good relationship with my family? Does she have a good things like that really kind of like play into it. Um, now I'm not saying every relationship is perfect because there's no such thing. But the thing is like if it's always possible to find like politically a conservative man and a liberal woman, it's possible. I see them all the time. I talk to people like that all the time. It's tricky for them, but they still manage to make it work. Why? Because they feel their marriage is more important. Now, if you know the husband starts saying, "Well, I'm starting to feel a little bit more redpilled and it's time for you to quit your [ __ ] job." And she's like, "I'm not doing that." Then they kind of divide. That's entirely up to them. And I'm not saying that happens. I'm Or like the wife says, "Well, you know what? I don't want to do this anymore, so I want to go do my own thing." It's it's it's really much shooter's preference. Uh, no pun intended, but like it's just there is no right answer to come to relationships. It's how you both work it out. just how is it you guys balance each other out? You know, like like Grid said that him and his wife, they have different interests, but they balance each other out. That's what it should really be when it comes to relationship. Who is it you're spending the rest of your life with? And how do they make you want to better yourself essentially? I mean, I know that was a long rant, but

>> No, no, that's fine. Uh, I got push back for all of you guys, but uh, well, first I want to hear from from my friend Scott. Go ahead.

>> I think the question is really honestly more interesting than the answer. And the reason I think the question is more interesting than the than the answer is because I think it highlights and this is no shade at you personally but rather like the poverty of philosophy in like in the current year. Um because one thing that I've noticed that has been such a problem with conservatives in general in the political space is they lack a concept of the differentiation between principles and values. It is perfect. And here's the major difference. Principles cannot be negotiated with. Values can, right? A principle is abortion is murder. You can't have two people that disagree on whether or not abortion is murder in a relationship. You know, I mean, obviously you can until you know that comes up, right? Like you have an accidental pregnancy too early. All of a sudden that relationship is doomed. There's no there's no negotiation there, right? And so, and this is like one of the most frustrating things that I see about conservatives because I've watched the conservatives turn into Democrats, you know, my entire life as well as, you know, since like, you know, since the early 1900s, is because they don't have principles, they have values. And values are things that can be negotiated with. And in politics, it's poison. But in a relationship, it's different. Right? in a relationship with your significant other. If you have the same principles, then those values can be negotiated with, they can be compromised with, right? It's okay that maybe like like if you have a principle that says, "I am a stay-at-home mom. This is a line in the sand." And then you disagree on that, well, like you you're at an impass. And unless one person can be convinced to give up that principle, then the relationship is essentially doomed, right? But if you value, you know, you value cleanliness differently, let's say, right? That's something that can be negotiated with, right? Like you can, as a man, I can be like, you know, let's say like let's say I have like a super clean woman and and I'm a super dirty guy or something, right? Like we can have a conversation. We can we can negotiate. we can come to a compromise on that value and I can be like, "I love you, so I know that you want a clean house, so I'm going to make sure I do the dishes and take out the trash or whatever these other things are, clean up after myself or like help you on Saturday cleaning, right?" And then she can be like, "And I'm going to stop bitching when like, you know, you don't put the shoes in the shoe rack, but you put them next to the [ __ ] shoe rack when you come home, right?" Like, like these are things that can be negotiated with. So I think it's I think it's perfectly healthy and natural to date someone with different values than you. I think you know like the entire Christian I mean as as much as I [ __ ] on Christianity right the two fleshes becoming one kind of concept here is is that the ideal relationship is that you have different values that you are different people and that you're two halves of a whole and that you complete each other by having those different values. You don't want a carbon copy of yourself. You don't want someone that has the exact same values as you because that's [ __ ] boring. Number one, and number two, you're not adding anything to your life. But what you have to make sure is that you have that you have the same guiding principles, right? You know, hardcore Christians, right, are are going to have the, you know, the quote unquote the Holy Spirit as a guide in their relationship so that they're moving towards the same place. or you know polit you know like certain political opinions might be one thing but but but yeah I think that is the important distinction is that it is good to have opposing values that is that is actually healthy for the relationship and something you should honestly seek out you should not seek out someone that has all the same beliefs and all the same hobbies and all of the same things that is like that's like what [ __ ] Tik Tok girls that have 4,000 matches on hinge and can't find a man are into right they're looking for this perfect carbon copy person that matches their insane checklist. But if but if you disagree on principles minus the sick, >> it's doomed. Yeah. Right. You know what I mean? Right. Right. You know what I mean? Like like that I think I and understanding this distinction is is is what is really going to help you in in that search.

>> So um I like what you just said. Um uh in my mind if you had asked me you know five minutes ago um I would have uh uh looked at uh values and principles as synonymous but I think the distinction you're making is much more useful. Um, and to be clear, like I I was using that terminology because like that's how it was framed in video. That's how people were talking about the values. But I think what what they meant uh concerning the context of the video is principles actually um because they were they were talking about like uh politics they were >> right and you're kind of proving my point right that people don't know that distinction. It's not it's not like yeah >> it's like that it's a common issue of the poverty of philosophy to borrow a term from Markx obviously but not I don't mean it the way he meant it >> so so uh so I'll I'll use that going forward it right the the principle versus value dichotomy or whatever right divide um and so so that's what I meant right when I was uh talking about this and I think it's interesting how like uh in the responses right we had like a lot about hobbies like hobbies are in consequence Right. This one and that's about hobbies. Um like yes I have person who have different hobbies or the same hobbies. I don't know that it doesn't matter one way or the other. Um you can make a relationship. I think we can all agree.

>> What if the hobby is going to Trump rallies matters right? >> If they're throwing cabbage at the uh the Trump supporters, well then it'll work then. Um but but yeah, so uh hobbies that it doesn't matter, right? Um, and I I wrote something down which I think kind of dubtales what uh Scott was saying. Uh, but Scott said it more elegantly. Um, I like whether like you can deal with a person who has different values like using my own definition, right? How whether you can you know be in a relationship with them depends on how uh uh prioritized uh your politics are uh within your identity, right? It's like my in my identity like you can imagine being a a progressive, a leftist, right? Like that's pretty high up on my list of uh of of adjectives uh for myself. Um and so like that would be important to me. But like basically what I was saying was what uh Scott said later on talking about principles, right? That's where I was actually uh trying to go with that. So again, so to to to reformulate this um uh yeah, I think that u uh principles a a a matching principles for the most part u are extremely important. Um and that you shouldn't uh uh uh like try to make it work with someone who's vastly different. an example from the video that was uh shown. This is woman. She was a Latina. Um she uh dated uh again like this is the the video I was that started this whole conversation in my head. She dated a conservative man, right? And a white uh man. Um and you know, first it was fine. Um but then it really wasn't. Um she would uh say things like, you know, she'd be talking about her because her her family uh is, you know, a lot of mixed status, like mixed immigration status family. Um uh he would uh tell them, right, uh things like, "Hey, build the wall, right?" Like um he would uh he when getting into an argument with her, right, and as a a form of control, he would say, "I'm going to call immigration on you and your family." I don't I'm not sure what her immigration status was, but she had at least people in her family that like he was >> This is just toxic, right? This isn't even this doesn't sound like a relationship. >> This is just a piece of [ __ ] toxic abuser. Like that's not like conservatives are like this though, you know? >> No, no, no. To be clear, no. To be clear, I'm not Again, I'm not trying to make some like attack on conservative men. >> No, no. I just mean like this isn't a difference in values and principles. This is just a woman escaping an abusive relationship with a toxic, manipulative piece of [ __ ] right? Like that's not really, >> you know what I mean? >> Yeah, I hear you. I and I agree. However, the way he chose to be abusive, right? >> Never ask a white supremacist the race of their girlfriend of his girlfriend. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Indeed. Much much agreed there. But the way he chose to attack her, right, is a reflection of his principles, a reflection of his politics, right? It it wasn't by random that he used that, right? Like there were in different parts. >> No, he chose to say what would hurt her because he's a toxic abusive politics. >> Like if he he could be a liberal if he was even say build the wall, right? Like >> a liberal, a liberal that is a toxic, abusive, narcissistic, controlling person would absolutely threaten to call ICE on family members or any of those other things as a means of isolating her from her family and as a means of threatening and controlling her behavior. >> It wasn't just so continuing on. >> I mean, to be fair, you're retelling another story, right? So maybe I'm not getting the full context, right? Like I am trying to be fair, but as you're describing it right now, you're just like this this isn't really >> the major issues the major red flags here are not a difference in values and principles. The major red flags and and and and issues here are that this person is a toxic, manipulative piece of [ __ ] that did that did horrible things and said horrible things to control her. >> I agree. And to be clear, like uh leftist men can be just as awful, right? Like uh uh or leftist women, right? like uh whatever, right? Like uh people can be awful and and destructive in that way, right? But like the way this was expressed specifically absolutely has something to do with his politics. like there's like like I think that's nonsense to say otherwise also right she talked about how like um like you know like um like this >> it's not nonsense as the story is being told but maybe it is from the greater context of the video >> uh as the story is uh she she talked about like her her family right the the immigrant the Mexican family um uh interacting with um uh his family um and talked about like like the tensions in between uh them. How like uh her his female relatives like uh accosted her like uh like uh you know uh in a corner, right? Like um and like wouldn't let her go and was like berating her about her politics um as to like like who who she voted for um and um uh the behavior like um uh and like you know like her general politics there. I'll leave it there. Um but like it it shows that individuals like with different politics like mixing um uh in this way like tend to have um not a a strong foundation um and this is also true the certainly their family um um feels the same way and and so you have these uh uh tensions um in between them um and that's why I'm saying uh should be avoided. Um, yeah. Okay.

>> Sorry, I spilled my drink. >> What? >> That's okay. >> That's true tragedy >> that you spilled your drink. >> I was just a little bit, but I wasn't going to finish the stream with a big stain on my shirt. >> Okay. Uh, but yeah. Anyway, so yeah, I think um I think it matters. I think um uh you should find someone again if if your politics are involved with your principles which not I don't think that's true for everyone. I think there are plenty people who just do team sports or just like it's blue team. >> Yeah. Most people don't even have principles. >> Exactly. Yeah. So uh I don't I don't think it's a problem for for all of them. Well, also she something else uh that that woman said u which you know adds to what that Scott was joking about previously is that this is from her mouth, right? She said that like um well she said that her uh husband said like well I'm not racist because I married a Mexican. Um uh which is you know another uh thing there. Um but yeah I I think your principal should match.

>> So out of curiosity prime uh I don't know if this tangentially would you let's say date a vegan. >> Okay that's interesting. Okay that's super interesting. Um [ __ ] no. Yeah. I I don't Well, here's the thing. I don't >> prior principle or a value or does it no relevance whatso? >> It's not Yeah. It's not a principle of mine, right? Like now I'm going to eat meat and I'm just going to do that, right? I I value right to use our our friend Scott's terminology. I value >> gains. That's what he values, boys. Gains. >> I I value eating meat. But >> I can advise him on how to get gains on a plant-based diet. Not a problem. >> Not a problem. Definitely a problem. Solvable problem. Solvable problem. It is a solvable problem. >> No, it's not a problem. >> Yeah, you're you're coping right now. You know that's true. >> Oh, so you're saying you're saying it is 100% just as easy to get gains and protein on an all on a plant-based diet as it is on a standard diet that allows meat. >> I don't know what you mean by easy p. Like >> that's what I'm saying. It's a problem but a solvable one, right? Like there are solutions to protein intake. You got to track your macros and you kind of got to pay attention. Whereas, you know, if you're a meat eater, you just eat a lot of chicken breasts. Done.

>> So, uh, I would just >> I'm not wrong. >> No, you are wrong. I just don't want to get into it. You have no idea what you're talking about. Like, >> okay. You're full of [ __ ] and you know it. >> I know I know way more about health fitness than you do. Like, it's it's not even worth having to talk conversation. >> It's not even worth it. But, but I'm right. >> Absolutely not. No, you're not right. You have no idea what you're talking about. >> If if if you think >> What What do you know about protein? Give me Give me Give me your back. What do you know? >> What? Am I supposed to [ __ ] tell you every scientific detail that I don't have memorized about it? >> What are the 20 amino aces? >> No, I don't I don't I I'm I'll play this game where you embarrass me because you are a research science that research scientist that is way more about biology and the structure of protein and bioavailability and all that [ __ ] I will play that game with you where where you can where you can showcase you know so much more about that if you can tell me why it is 100% just as easy to get all of your macros in a plant-based diet as opposed to just eating chicken >> because you can there I that's why I asked like what do you mean by easy as in you can fulfill all your protein requirements through plants as in through lentils uh through quinoa, through tofu, like and those are all cheaper. >> Yeah. Yeah. Actually, >> yeah, you're coping. You're coping. >> Easy. >> He's actually accurate because my wife is a vegetarian, so I can speak from experience. >> Speak from experience. Speak from experience all you want, right? You in order to get all of your macros in a plant-based diet, you actually have to track that [ __ ] You have to know the bioavailability of the proteins. You have to know how many proteins you're doing. Whereas, if you're eating chicken, you just need to know the weight of the chicken and how much chicken you're eating. done. You have to you like what's the bioavailability of one versus another? How much protein are you actually getting in in soy versus lentils versus these things? You have to do math calculations. I'm not saying you can't >> irrant. That was the whole joke. It started with me screaming gains like a meatthead. >> I'm not saying a normal person has to go through like some crazy ritual to eat a [ __ ] plant-based diet and get enough protein to be healthy. I'm saying if you're like a bodybuilder, you're trying to get gains or something. That was the joke that it takes more effort on a plant-based diet because you have to do a little bit more work. That's the only claim I made. And then it triggered you and I'm right and you know I'm right. >> You are absolutely not right. That's why I clarified what you mean by easy. I don't know exactly what know what you mean by easy. Does it take more mental effort, more math, and more tracking completely in order to get all of your protein guarantee?

>> Running away like a cowardly little [ __ ] with insults right here >> is not is not doing anything. Answer the [ __ ] question. Is it does it take more effort to be able to ensure that you get all of your macros on a plant-based diet where you have to track where the bioavailability of the protein and how much protein getting multiple uh sources of protein knowing that you're not getting all the amino acids in like peanut butter per se and tracking other protein sources that you're getting. Is that more effort than just eating [ __ ] chicken? >> No, I don't think that is more effort as >> well that's [ __ ] eat tofu or >> you're a very smart [ __ ] person. >> Congratulations. >> No, I I will I will bite that bullet. Be careful. So I I'm a [ __ ] Okay. So explain to me I'm explain to me why you're fat >> and why why have I figured out this problem? >> Why why I'm fat again? So So I will do that after you explain why you're a cowardly [ __ ] that's running. >> Have I solved the problem? Have I solved the problem that you can't solve? The [ __ ] here has solved the problem that you can't solve. So tell me. >> You're correct. We both We both have autoimmune diseases. Yours is Crohn's. Mine is mass cell activation syndrome. Right. You've done a better job of that without a doubt. Right. I got a lot of mass. I'm a super tall fat guy. Calories in, calories out is certainly going to be most of the equation there. Right. Um I love food. I love me some butter. You know what I really love? I love me some beef. And maybe I eat a little too much of it. In fact, this is evidence that I do indeed eat a little too much of it. So now that the second humiliation ritual is uh complete, why are you still running from the fact that it obviously takes more effort to track your macros when you are getting incomplete proteins and when you are have are eating foods that have bioavailability differences as opposed to just eating [ __ ] chicken?

>> You agree that the [ __ ] like me can figure out how to not be fat as opposed to you? You can't figure that out. >> Yeah, I can figure it out. Oh, no. It's a false statement. Missing. No, you don't know. That's a false. How is it false? As in you don't So, what's what's because I've already explained it. Calories in, calories out. I understand that you're trying to run away from the question. I'm >> I apologize. You're not I don't You're right. You're not trying in the in the colloquial sense. You are >> You are You are running You are running and you're trying to make this about my health. Okay. Okay. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Okay. So, Oh, yeah. Since we're playing this game, is RFK a better uh a better uh steward of health in America than any other recent um uh appointee because he is more physically fit. Or maybe it's about the actual knowledge and it's about the actual truth and veracity of claims. >> You're you're going exactly where I want to go. Okay. So So what is miss as in you don't know how to lose weight or or is it something else? >> Oh, so this is another question you're going to run from. Why are you even here if you don't answer questions? >> I've trapped you multiple times and you've run multiple times. >> Calling me fat over and over again is not going to win the argument. RFK >> just makes you look like the cowardly [ __ ] you are. Answer both questions. >> I answered your questions. I don't think RFK Jr. is a >> Scott's defense. When I saw him in person in November, he was much trimmer and he was very spritly. Uh which uh which was >> I'm a spritly fat boy. I'm a giant a giant spritly fat boy. >> Okay. So, >> a lot of energy fact. >> Is it the fact that you don't know that it's about reducing your calorie intake? Maybe upping your uh physical activity that results to weight loss? Is is a knowledge gap that's that's holding you back? Scott, >> we've I've already answered this question, but I'll answer it again. I said I absolutely understand that it's calories in, calories out. Obviously, there's going to be some dietary restrictions that'll like affect your energy levels, etc. Wait, wait, wait. >> At the end of the day, it's going to be calories in, calories out. >> Yeah. Okay, great. So, so answer the questions. >> Okay. Well, okay. So, if you want to restate your question, I'll answer it and then I'll follow up. >> You already know it. I already know you got a steel trap memory. It's so great from all the plants. You have this perfect memory, right? It's so good. Okay. So, I know that you can remember [ __ ] from 6 months ago. So, answer the questions you ducked and ran away from mere moments ago. >> No, no, my my my trap door was open, so it was not getting my breakfast. Do you want to restate it? If you want to restate it, I will gladly try my best in an answer. >> So, two questions, right? You kind of answered the second question, which is that you said RFK is not a better appointee than previous appointees just because he is indeed healthy, right? But but but follow up on that, right? like why then why is it so important for you to run away from the first question which you do remember um and to then attack my weight and attack um you know on the basis of whether or not uh my claims are true or false. >> If it is true that my weight has anything to do with whether or not the claims are true or false then we would want then we would assume that RFK Jr. is the greatest the appointee because he is in tip-top physical condition, you know, except for his whole [ __ ] brain. No, >> I'm I'm not I'm not disagreeing with anything that you said. I only I I only took contention uh with you calling me a [ __ ] So So let's go down. That's why I said I will bite that bullet. >> I said a smart [ __ ] >> Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Okay. Sure. A smart [ __ ] And I'll I'll happily bite that bullet. So So this the [ __ ] Okay. Uh can figure out something that you can't figure out. You said it's not a not not a knowledge gap. Okay. you as in you know how to do it. I I thought you were the only one. Uh so do you want to explain to me uh what is the etmology of the word philosophy? >> What I what No, I'm not getting into this. You're still running from the question and I will repeat it again. The question is, how is it just as easy to track your macros as someone that's trying to quote unquote get >> not think I do not think it takes any actual cognitive effort to eat tofu or quinoa or lentils? >> Okay, hold on guys. So, so now that I've answered your question, no, no, now so you want to explain to me like an idiot. Okay, a smart [ __ ] What is the etmology of the word philosophy? I'm I'm not going into the etmology philosophy only when you're still not going to answer my question in any meaningful way philosophy. >> I'm not going through theology. >> What's lacking in your ability? >> No, this is what is lacking my ability to lose weight. So now we go back to the fact that you've already been btfoed on, but you're using it because it's a vibes based argument. So again, again, you can keep interrupting me. You can keep running and dodging, but but this is this is the most this is the most leftist intentional misunderstanding so that you so that conversation is impossible. And what it is is you still will not answer the question. The idea that it's just eating quinoa that it's just eating quinoa gets you all your Okay. So,

So, so tell me this. So, so, so your your contention here is if you just weigh out enough quinoa, you get all the gains. Is there any is there any vegan bodybuilder out there ever in history that would that would support the idea that if you want to get gains, you just need to eat a certain amount of quinoa and boom, all your macros are done.

Is qu I don't know this question. I don't actually know the answer to this. So, I'm going to let you flex that superior knowledge of proteins. Is quinoa complete protein?

>> Yes, actually it is.

>> Yeah, I know lentils are. I know I know I know soy is. So, quinoa is. So, how much quinoa do you need to eat? And how many how many calories what are the macros of quinoa and how many calories do you need in order to quote unquote get gains?

>> Right? Let's assume let's assume the person is 200 pounds, right? And they're trying to get like they're they're trying to get to 220, right? How how much do they do that? And then let's compare that to a chicken breast.

>> Yeah. I believe if I remember correctly, uh pound for pound or in terms of protein density, it is essentially equivalent to chicken. Yes. Quinoa is

>> in the same macros.

>> It depends if you like as in like protein and fats that those

>> No, like we're just I'm just saying carbohydrates, protein, fat, and and like calories, right? Like just just the major ones, right? Like we're not getting all the all the nitty-gritty

>> different food. So I can see yes, it has different the different food has different macros. That is true.

>> Are you going to answer or are you just going to deflect again?

>> Cuz all

>> restate your qu I I heard the question though. the same macros.

>> So, how many like what are the what are the macro breakdowns? Why is it why is it that quinoa is just a replacement for chicken breast?

>> It's a complete protein. Is it 100% bioavailable?

>> I mean, nothing is 100% bioavailable. What's the bioavailability of the protein compared to chicken?

>> Uh, you know, I off the top of my head, I

>> That's super fair, right? But like, is it is it close to chicken?

>> Is it like close to 100% or is it like 70%. inter like first of all I don't want to get into how these bioavailability scores are are measured because like that that's sort of a dubious uh ambiguous metric anyways but

>> right but we know that plant protein is less bioavailable than animal-based protein right we know that

>> it's common depend on which specific plant you are talking about I would not necessarily

>> in general in general right like you don't know off the top of your head the bioavailability of quinoa in general right you're going to have to get more protein eating plants than you would from eating chicken, right? And we're going to assume is it's going to be more calories and more carbohydrates than chicken as well.

>> Not necessarily.

>> Less than lactoid.

>> Lactoid, what you want to say?

>> Okay, let's look it up.

>> Okay, I wanted to say a couple things. So, I just gorked it. Um,

>> Gork is telling me

>> Gork is telling me uh that quinoa has much less protein uh than chicken breast does. Uh, cooked chicken breast has approximately 31 grams of protein per 100 grams. And cooked quinoa only has 4.4 grams of protein per 100 grams. So about seven times less per equal weight. That's what Gork is telling me. I Googled it and Google seems to be confirming Gork. Uh at least based on the uh initial at face value.

>> So that's that's what I'm that's what I'm getting.

>> Um secondly, carbs and calories, right?

>> Sure. I am enthused that I now have this rockolid argument as to why I should believe RFK over Rachel Lavine, who is much in much better shape.

>> That that was not my That's not

>> how how Okay. Why did the guy with worms in his brain, how was he able to figure out how to lose all that weight when Rachel Lavine couldn't?

>> Uh well, so that was not my original argument as in my what burned this off is him calling me a smart [ __ ] Okay. And I'm I'm more than happy to bite that bullet in terms of if I'm the smart [ __ ] and I can I can figure out something that he can't. I say that says something about him. And that's why he he's the one that's why he doesn't want to define philosophy because that makes him look bad. Okay? He recognizes it's not a knowledge gap. Okay? Uh he has all this philosophy. And yet despite all this knowledge, all this philosophy,

>> I don't want you to subvert the [ __ ] conversation. Anything I give you're going to attack.

>> It's called subversion when it makes you look bad. Okay? I understand because you never want to look bad. Okay? But

>> no, you never want to make a positive claim because you're a [ __ ] coward. All you do is sit on these panels farm farm. Don't actually make positive [ __ ] claims. Sit on the fence and then find a way to try and attack my location.

>> I want I want to say I want to ask one question. Could it be Cory and I I would I would attribute this to myself as well. Could it be that maybe it's not like a lack of knowledge figuring like in terms of Scott being unable to figure out how to look as good as RFK. Could it be that [ __ ] just tastes [ __ ] good?

>> Yeah,

>> like donuts are really [ __ ] good.

>> It's not like a math question that I'm having a difficult time figuring out. I just like it.

>> Are you saying my taste buds are inherently different than yours and that I don't like things that taste good?

>> I mean, your taste buds

>> Well, I mean, you are a vegan, right? So, this is already confirmed. Yeah, I would I'm technically an imperfect veins since I consume whey protein, but yes, I overall am technically uh not vegan, but I aspire to be largely vegan. But if you

>> Why would you consume that? Is it because it's a little difficult to get all your protein?

>> No. Uh I I use a mix of both uh Vega protein powder. It just so happens that Vega protein powder is more expensive than whey protein.

>> Can I ask one more question? One more question. If it's just as easy to get all the protein from a vegetarian vegan diet as it is like a meat eating diet, and this is a serious question, why is it the fact that I see constantly people who are on these kind of vegan diets and vegetarian diets have a hard time gaining muscle? They complain about it and visually they tend to be just smaller people and like they tend to not be able to bulk up as fast as meat eaters. It just seems to be a common trend.

>> It could be a cart before the horse situation. It could be like the type of person that chooses to go. But most people are That's like asking like why are most people obese or overweight? Like most people are just ignorant.

>> Yeah. But hold on. But I if if like if you have a really obese person and it's like you look at them and they're eating all sorts of [ __ ] like I would attribute like their diet to the fact that they're really obese. But if you have a vegan who's having a really hard time gaining muscle, and again, this seems to be a pretty consistent trend. I've noticed even people who kind of to your point, Scott, people who like went vegan and then struggled a bit when it came to like bulking up as much as they wanted to before or as much as they were able to before. I mean, yes, this is anecdotal for sure. Um, I could probably find stats on this. I don't think I'm wrong. I mean, are you are you denying, Corey, that when we look at like the muscle mass of a vegan compared to a meat eater that you're going to see a higher like an easier time gaining muscle mass amongst the vegans?

>> When total protein uh consumption is controlled for? The answer is yes. There will holding all variables the same then there there would be no

>> they struggle to get enough protein compared to meat eaters. Well, that nullifies my example in terms of like holding total protein consumption the same. That

>> Yeah, but if it's harder to hold total protein consumption the same.

>> Okay, if you're asking the question, if it's that's why I try attempted to clarify, I would not characterize it as more difficult uh to meet your protein requirements on a plant-based diet.

>> You just so long as you just eat giant bowls of quinoa until you're ready to throw up, you'll be good. It

>> It's not harder. You're saying it's not harder uh to for uh but it's just something that consistently a larger group of people struggle with. It's just not harder though.

>> It's like asking the question like is going to the gym difficult? I do not think it's difficult.

>> Yeah. But is it is it difficult? Is it more difficult to go to the gym if the gym is right down the street or 100 miles away? Like not go to the gym at all. Of

>> Coursey go. I asked you to clarify in the beginning of what you meant by that was my original I think one of my most original questions of like what

>> and I clarified

>> several times I said that it requires more mental effort to try and track your macronutrients track the bioavailability because different different plants have different bioavailability to track your macros to track incomplete proteins and make sure that you're getting all of the protein that you actually want not just the protein like when I when if it's meat you can just look up how much protein is in chicken that's how much protein you're minus 5%, right? Roughly. Roughly. Okay. But if I But if I look up the protein on peanut butter, even if I read the [ __ ] even if I read the back of the peanut butter and I eat a [ __ ] ton of peanut butter, it's an incomplete protein. I have to eat other [ __ ] sources of protein.

>> THAT IS NOT IRRELEVANT. IT'S MORE DIFFICULT TO DO. It requires more It requires more effort in order to do that. You you absolutely do not need to take into account this bioavailability whether it's 90% 80% that like you're talking about like a difference of like 5% grade question about this because

>> I want to ask you know because you know it's been a minute uh

>> nonsense

>> almost 30 years since I was in uh in college and uh so but but isn't there something to do with the way that plant proteins uh counteract the testosterone in your blood in in males where that prevents them from g getting the same gains. Is that true?

>> No. Unless you're like eating kilograms of soy, even then that it's uh I would say it's not a foregone conclusion that there will be any

>> I didn't ask if it was a foregone conclusion. I said is it something that is true?

>> No. Uh again,

>> generally, hold on. There is some research to suggest very little of that and that is from a highly processed diet and vegans tend to eat a much less processed diet than the standard American diet, which is one of the reasons why they're [ __ ] healthier.

>> And I want to actually go back to Lacto's. Uh I think pretty good question as in you you just said that it's

>> what is the etmology of protein? Answer it now. Like [ __ ] is that the question?

>> No, no, no. So you you think you think you think you're answer is just food tastes good. Therefore, I eat it. Well, why can some people control the food intake and others can't? You think that's good?

>> Cuz I made a Yeah, cuz I made a value.

>> [ __ ] delayed gratification. Like, why not? It has nothing to do with the conversation. It's just you like thick and Okay. Yeah. And why can some people like this all comes back to self-control? Why do I Why am I able to exercise more self-control than you?

>> Maybe maybe my liyic system is just more powerful, right? I see a goth girl and it just triggers it, right? And I was like, "Oh, shit." Scott lit Scott literally admits, "Okay, let's let's do the logic tree." A not

>> the logic tree on this subversion thing that you've done to run away from the fact that you got btfoed by someone who's way less educated than you.

>> I've got to ask. God damn. What is even the point of a college degree if you're getting BTFOed by someone that's never even taken a nutrition class? I know Scott for you. I know Scott.

>> Yeah, I know why you struggle to lose weight. Because you think if you just say it makes motorcycle stand in the mirror and say, "Hey, I'm skinny. I'm I'm in shape and therefore that makes it true." So therefore, you say I'm BTFO. That must make it true. Okay.

>> No, it's true. Because it is true. That's how that's how truth actually works.

>> It's true.

>> I I understand I understand that a leftist struggles with the concept of objective truth. Everything's just a vibe to you. But you know,

>> let's go through it. Let's go through it. So A, not A. So if it's not a knowledge gap, what is it then, Scott? What is it? I've answered this question several times. This is your distraction from the fact that you got BTFOed on this subject. There is a difference in bioavailability of nutrients. There's a difference in incomplete proteins and it requires more effort.

>> I will answer IT FOR YOU.

>> I'VE ANSWERED THE QUESTION MULTIPLE TIMES. I hope you can answer it with that STEEL TRAP.

>> I SAID BECAUSE I [ __ ] love beef and butter and that I have a hard time controlling myself on it. It's a willpower issue. Do I need to say it over and over and over again? Is the humiliation ritual good enough for you to answer the question? You cowardly little [ __ ]

>> Yeah, I'm I'm cowardly. Even though you will not EXP

>> I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU LIFT, but I'm pretty sure I can sit on you and you'd [ __ ] die.

>> That's probably true. Yes, you are a fact. I I started with that, so I'm not contest that. Okay, as in for for the audience, okay, Scott's all about philosophy. Okay, if you didn't know the theology philosophy, that's a lover of wisdom. And despite all of Scott's wisdom,

>> or lover of knowledge would be probably more accurate. And despite all his knowledge, he can't seem to stop shoveling things down his gullet. Okay? He has all this knowledge, all this philosophy, and yet he has no self-control whatsoever.

>> I'm glad that you believe contradictions are true. I'm glad that you don't know anything about nutrition. You only pretend to know about it because you're coping. You're coping because you're a cowardly little gay vegan. And uh and I'm glad that and I'm and I'm glad that you have admitted once again via contradiction that RFK is the greatest appointee ever because he because he gets gains.

>> Absolutely. And I've also I've also demonstrated you don't know philosophy.

>> Fellas fellas or even the etmology of the word

>> fellas. Fellas, let's just let's

>> Can Lactoid and I start talking goth goth chicks again because that was a way better and better conversation. Let's move on to the the next uh to the actual topic.

>> They are the junk food of girls.

>> They are

>> my my stream is making fun of me and they said, "Dude, this audience can answer the question better than Corey can because every time you introduce a food into your diet, we get no streams for two weeks."

>> That is true. I try a new food and then I'm like, "Oh, [ __ ] I'm sick. This sucks."

>> Oh, yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Um but okay. Uh, so we're done. All right. Um, all we learned from that is Scott's a fatty fatty fat. So, um, man, so

>> and that Corey doesn't know anything about being a vegan despite being one.

>> True. Yes. Absolutely true.

>> Uh, but okay. Um, but we're going to move on uh past that unexpected.

>> I'm sorry. A bad vegan because he struggles to get enough protein, so he has to use animal sources to get some.

>> True.

>> Okay, we're moving on. in the picture.

>> Thank you all for for for this. Um okay. Uh um thank you all for all of this. Uh it was another experience. Our our pre-debates tend to be quite quite entertaining honestly and I I can't predict these things, right? Um I I wasn't planning on talking about the things we were talked about previously. Uh but made for a great conversation. Um, so

>> all he wanted to talk about is how sexy he finds Christine Noom. We get it.

>> Indeed. Um, but yeah, uh, but I'm I'm grateful to, uh, my very excitable panel, um, who can, um, make anything into a topic, make anything fun. So, shout out to you guys. And, uh, anyone at home, if you've been enjoying all this so far, right, the pre-show, the actual show, right? uh which lasted almost an hour and a half um as is per usual with us. Um then uh consider following the channel. I haven't done so yet, right? On whatever platform you're watching this on, uh YouTube, um uh Twitch or uh kick um or consider supporting the channel as well, right? Like uh tossing a few uh dollars our way um uh whether on on YouTube like uh with a membership, right? Uh Twitch subscription or uh super chats. Um we'll put your super chat on screen. and we'll have a conversation on it. Sometimes we spiral on those as well. Um, so if you want to be part of the conversations here um uh hitting us up for the super chat um uh and thank you uh Victory X for resubing on uh Twitch for uh 31 months. Thanks for following for so long. Much appreciated. Uh shout out to you uh uh Vice Roy. Did I say Victory? Did I say Victory or Vice Roy? Vice Royce. Um um thank you for being uh with us for such a

>> super chat. You have to you have to make sure that you describe the etmology of the word viceroy.

>> I don't know that one to be honest. I have no [ __ ]

>> I got to be honest. The protein thing was was interesting to me because I know that and I eat meat, but um when I was especially when I was losing a lot of a lot more weight than than I currently am, I couldn't eat enough protein to for for what I um when I was in the gym because I was uh I mean I needed like a lot and I ended up having to um start using protein powders and things like that to supplement. So, I'm I'm very interested in how Corey thinks that he can get enough protein to actually make gains, but we never got there because we were

>> I'm happy to have a conversation.

>> We And you can do that off stream like DM each other.

>> Yeah. You know, I mean, I'm not that interested, but I was just curious to hear that during that conversation.

>> Someone in my chat said that's why Corey is skinny. It's not the diet. He's just super disciplined. Every time he encounters a question, he runs for 10 minutes. Yeah. Yes. How how come how come I have the discipline to run?

>> Banger.

>> Okay.

>> I did enough running in the army. [ __ ] running, dude. Like no matter no matter what I'm out, I agree. You shouldn't do any exercise unwise.

>> We are moving on.

>> [ __ ] impact on my joints suck.

>> We are moving on uh with our lives and we want all of you to be healthy no matter uh which way uh you do it, right? um if you're managing an illness or you're managing your diet or whatever. Um hopefully you're making healthy choices. Um okay. Uh so let's get started. Um and uh first of all, shout out to our our friend Socrates uh who uh was out there

>> who was out there doing practice while we were doing this. Um but uh maybe we'll touch on that later on, but thank you for being here, Socrates. Um yeah, we're gonna >> we're gonna jump into uh the uh the topic. You guys can do your um um uh your opening statements and any uh greetings you want to do uh at the same time. All right. Okay. So, um on Saturday, uh ICE officers killed yet another Minnesota citizen. That's incorrect. That's what I wrote down, but apparently it's Border Patrol. Border Patrol killed the citizen. Um uh the day before that incident, Minnesota held the largest general strike in that state in a hundred years. Strike aimed to protest ICE operations in the state. Some are calling to massively expand the use of that tactic. In modern times, Americans have rarely engaged in general strikes or any other kind either. Uh this is especially true when compared to other developed nations. This was not always the case. However, even before Trump's return to office, there has been a coordinated call on the left for the tactic to be used to force concessions from the government. Are you supportive of the Minnesota strike? What about the larger set of de demonstrations and acts of resistance since ICE arrived? Do you support workers using strikes as a bargaining tool? And if not, um would you support a government or even uh uh corporate crackdown to discourage its use? Um oh, and someone uh before I I jump into it, uh someone just sent me a a super chat. Um, Tesco Johnson says, "It's not gay if it's genetically grown in a lab."

>> That is true.

>> Okay. I actually don't Where did that come from? I'm actually confused here. What's What's

>> I think it's in illusion to uh I think what Grid uh brought up in terms of uh eating plant proteins and and soy and incre uh decreasing your testosterone.

>> Okay. That was a legit question because uh there there I was just curious about the effects of uh the various plant proteins on the production of testosterone. It's I mean I wasn't being hyperbolic about this.

>> No, no, thank you so much.

>> You are fine to eat any plant proteins. It will not affect your testosterone levels.

>> I've only just noticed and I wish I didn't uh Tessle Johnson's uh avatar just now.

>> I just got to that one. It's a squirrel with big nuts.

>> Yeah, I completely missed that. Thank you for that.

>> How old are you? Cuz I feel like that's an old internet meme like that every millennial would just kind of know.

>> Jessical Johnson's been around for a hot minute. He's been in your orbit for quite some time.

>> It's I'm pretty sure it's fairy queen.

>> Sorry. Uh no, no, that's different. I'm pretty sure this is a different individual. And they're Canadian. They give me Canadian money.

>> Oh, okay.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Um, okay. So, uh, back to it. Yeah. So, uh, ICE, sorry, not ICE, excuse me. Um, BP in coordination with ICE, um, in Minnesota, uh, during their, uh, crackdowns, um, uh, during their, uh, raids or whatever, right? Um, uh, in operations. Another individual, uh, is, uh, killed uh, by them. Maybe we can get into whether it's murder. In fact, we want to get to that. It's going to happen eventually, right? Um but um uh and there's plenty of uh video on this um and then there's a response um from uh the government right from uh Christy Gnome from DHS. Um and there might be some updates that some really interesting updates that happened like just tonight but we'll we'll touch on that later on. In any case, that happens. Um, but before that happens, yes, we had this like massive general strike. You like 50,000 people in Minneapolis. The streets absolutely filled, right? Huge, huge, huge, huge demonstration. Um, that seems like it's like getting lost in the shuffle with, you know, you know, more dead American citizens. Um, and, uh, you know, businesses shut down. Uh, like workers were out there making demands. Um uh and this follows right that it follows um a larger conversation uh within the labor movement to have a general strike. Uh the um the head of u I want to say the UAW um um but maybe it's the other one. Um uh uh he's been uh uh calling uh he was recently elected like a few years ago. Um and uh he's been quite charismatic on the uh the Democratic side. has been saying, "Hey, we need to have a general strike." He's been trying to organize that for a few years from now. Um um a massive national strike and that could have huge consequences um for whoever is in office um if such a thing happens. The US used to do this. We used to do this, right? We used to have big general strikes. And general strike would be like um uh not like just one like workers from uh one company or one industry striking. It's like the the town, right? It's the the state. It's the It's the general population doing the strike. That's the big difference. Um you see this in France. France strikes a lot. They strike a lot. Um and uh they get concessions um uh during that, right? Um there's a big powerful labor movements, but labor movements have been demobilized uh here in this uh nation. Um so like uh should that come back? What do you think about that? Um, we'll touch about all parts of Minnesota incident, but uh I do want to talk on a later labor thing as well. So, we'll go to our friend sorry for our friend Lacto.

>> Yeah, I mean to address the labor thing specifically, I have the exact same position that I've always had, which is that I'm okay with people striking. Um, but you should also be able to get fired if you don't show up for your job. Um, a consensual relationship works both ways. You have a job with your employer or you have a relationship with your employer and your employer has a relationship with you. um you are not your employer's slave. You can walk off the the job site if you want and uh in the same way that uh the employer is not your slave in that uh you don't just get to keep your job if you don't do what your employer uh expects of you. So um that's my general proposition towards strikes. Now, in terms of this particular strike over ICE actions, um do I I guess just more subjectively sort of agree with the fact that they are striking over uh these ICE operations? I I wouldn't do it personally, but if you have people who feel strongly about not wanting not wanting ICE in their area, I don't think that that is like crazy. I I you know that's I don't think it's immoral. If that is your preference and you want to demonstrate to say, "Hey, look, I don't support this. Go away." That's fine. I don't necessarily have a problem with that. Um and then I'm I'm guessing prime at some point we're going to be talking about the shooting that happened the day after.

>> Um that's going to, you know, has been leading to sort of escalations of this uh kind of public action in uh Minnesota. And uh with that, I think that's bad. Um because uh as is the case with every uh noteworthy shooting that's happened, people have just knee-jerked without getting all the relevant facts. And um we saw this with Kyle Writtenhouse, we saw this with Mike Brown. Uh basically every single time um there's with few exceptions. uh the actual incident is wildly different than all the protesters just believe right away and that leads them to take mass action that otherwise they wouldn't even believe in. Or it take that leads them to take actions that are immoral like rioting and destroying businesses and um I'm just hoping that doesn't happen.

>> Okay. Um I'm curious what uh facts might be missing. So I I can't wait for you to elicitate us. Thank you so much, friend. Um let's go to Scott. Uh yeah, much the same on labor, right? Like um you know, if you want to if you want to strike, strike. Like I don't don't see any problem with the concept of striking. Like obviously I'm not a big fan of like wildcat strikes or you know, violent strikes, things of that nature that you know we saw in the turn of the century because a bunch of commies were you know mad that um you know were mad that they weren't wealthy. Um, but I mean obviously, you know, or maybe they were mad because, you know, Pinkertons went into their village and like, you know, went into their little mining camp and killed a few of their family members, you know, I mean, like, you know, it depends on a person basis. Some of them are commies and they're mad, some of them are mad cuz, you know, their wife got killed. Um, yeah, but I, you know, I think obviously like the the most sane reaction here would just be to abolish the NLRB. There should be absolutely zero protection for workers uh legally um who strike. Like if you're a business and um and your labor can be replaced by another person and you don't show up, then you know you quit. Like that's like it's so stupid and just absolutely anti- liberty, anti-freedom, antim freedom of choice. Um and just absolutely evil that we protect workers who strike from being fired. Um, and we, you know, we we recognize their right to unionize and things like that. Absolutely insane. Like there's no reason that like unskilled labor should have a union because their value is their their labor can be replaced by another person. They don't bring any value. They haven't done the work to be uh, you know, a value a valued member of of the employment, right? Like somebody like, you know, like Corey over here, right? Who's done the work to have like a very specialized set of knowledge. If a bunch of if he felt like he was being mistreated and a bunch of people that was, you know, like him that did the same, you know, relevant work in the same area thought that they were being mistreated, then yeah, they could band together and form a union and it would be very likely that it would be very difficult to replace somebody like Cory, right? You can't just like pull any random person off of the street and they're going to be able to train to have that level of knowledge. Same would be true of like welders, for example. Um, but you know, like some but like Walmart employees like like they can't be replaced. like they need a right to unionize. They need to be protected when they strike. No, this is the government protecting you know um these con organizations which are workers unions um and unions in general. um it is giving them special protection because they you know donate towards their campaigns and they make nos and the political class very rich and currently what they want is the importation of a bunch of cheap labor um to get rid of their own um their own workers that think that they're fighting for the rights of the individual because they want to maintain all of the welfare systems that cause third worlders to come and flood this country because they're given a bunch of goodies to come here as opposed to just coming here because there are jobs here. Um, you know, so in terms of like do I support this specific protest? No. I think this is an astroturf thing by the media. Um, you know, like you know, Obama and Biden put in all kinds of things. You know, the reason that ICE is even able to be able to go is even able to be activated in this way is because of legislation that Obama put in that none of them gave a [ __ ] about and wouldn't have given a [ __ ] about because he had a D next to his name and he was the cool black guy. But now that the media has activated and the, you know, the NOS's have activated and the corporate elite want them protesting against ICE because they want cheap labor and they want to maintain the welfare state that makes it easy to import that cheap labor. They get their nice little printed signs that were made and they get in their little Telegram groups where they're given instructions by people that they don't really know that tell them where to go. And this is a completely non-grassroots, completely nonworkerbased um activation of a bunch of useful idiots for the corporations that are just sucking the leather boot of of daddy government and corporations because Trump orange man bad. Um, in terms of the shooting, yeah, I kind of agree, right? Like I think that there, you know, I want more information to come out. Um, that being said, of the available information, Christy Noom obviously 100% lied to the American public and tried to paint him as if he was a mass shooter. She should be hung publicly in front of the White House and her body should rot and then we should be able to know exactly what plastic surgery she had because all of her real flesh will be eaten away by the [ __ ] flies and we'll be able to see what was shaved and what was implanted in her disgusting corpse. Like [ __ ] her. [ __ ] politicians. [ __ ] them all. But but yeah, I mean if it appears to be as it appears to be currently from everything that I've seen, you know, it looks like uh you know, Border Patrol um you know, got spooked at some protesters, shoved somebody they shouldn't have shoved, chased them across the street, um have no idea what they're doing, they're incompetent, then they shove this person down or shove them hard enough for them to fall down. They started a bar fight instead of actually acting like some type of police officer or federal agent. So, yeah, just to add more details, right? If I as if I'm not long-winded enough. Sorry, Corey. I know you'll be brief, so it's okay. You'll make up for it. you know, and and and it looks like it looks like Alex uh Alex Pretty um you know, engaged in the same bar fight that these people started and then you know, once he got into a fight, they disarmed him and the gone, you know, and then, you know, untrained uh idiot uh cops, you know, ended up blasting a bunch of holes in the guy because, you know, they can't communicate and they don't know what they're doing. So, I mean, but you know, incompetence of the state is a pretty normal thing. That's why you should never vote in socialists because they only want more of this.

>> Uh thanks for that. Um two things on one. Twitch I disavow any calls for violence uh whatsoever. Late does

>> I didn't say civilians should be activated to do it. You know there should be a legal process of hanging traitors.

>> I mean if the if the government investigates themselves all the time and says nothing was wrong, right? Well, the government can rewrite the [ __ ] rules for this treasonous [ __ ] and [ __ ] hang her up.

>> Okay, understood. And uh two, I I the one thing I

>> We used to do a lot worse for a lot less back in the day when America was founded.

>> The one thing I can agree with is that my good friend Corey did do the work. He is a skilled worker, which is why he can tell you the etmology of philosophy. All right, go ahead, Corey.

>> Probably anybody can.

>> Oh. Maybe not. Um, but uh I will keep it brief uh to get to the open. Uh so I'll just answer the prompts as in am I supportive of the Minnesota strike? Uh in general, I am supportive uh especially the larger set of demonstrations uh and acts of resistance uh against ICE and Border Patrol. Uh and like yes, I am overall generally supportive of workers using strikes as a bargaining tool. And I will leave it there for now for the open.

>> All right. Thank you. One person respects our time. Uh, let's go to

>> I never said I was a person.

>> Okay. Uh, uh, let's go to grid. Love to hear what you have to say.

>> All right. All right. All right. I honestly Scott's tough act to follow. Um, but I'm going to get I'm going to try. Um, so I don't actually know that there was actually a strike. It seems like the more like a day off. uh government offices were closed, schools were closed, um all of these things were closed, and that allowed these people to take time off to go down and walk in sub-zero temperatures. Uh which we don't know how many there are. I've actually, you know, I've seen the reports and then I've done some looking and nobody can agree on how many people uh were actually there. So, I'm not really sure this qualifies as a strike. Uh it seems like a a gifted day off, maybe with pay. I don't know. Uh, I haven't dug into it that far and I honestly don't give a [ __ ] enough. Um, other than that, I don't know. I mean, I this seems like a this seems like a big nothing burger. Uh, what I would like to see, and I'm surprised Scott didn't mention, is I would absolutely love the federal government to turn off the tax um money that is paid to uh these states that do not comply with federal agents and f federal um laws, especially on immigration and and other things of that nature. Just turn off the spigot. Okay? They don't get any more money. No federal funding, no highway grants, no nothing. Zero. Absolutely. I'm shocked. Shocked. I tell you that my

>> You did it earlier on your show. Like, what are you talking about?

>> You did not You did do it on my show and we had already said it, but he came in an hour late and he said it in a much better eloquent more elegant eloquent way. Um, yes, absolutely. Just turn off the spigot. Not you know, if you don't want to follow federal law, fine. That is your choice as a state. Not going to argue with you. just don't get any money. That easy. And uh but any rate, um I'm sure we'll get into a lot more uh going forward and um we'll have some fun with this. Thanks so much, Grid. Uh Alex.

>> All right. So, um I'm not really going to talk too much about the shooting because I know that's probably going to be the biggest topic of discussion possibly, but um I actually did prepare a statement, so I'm very boring like that. Uh so our constitution guarantees not just obedience to law, it guarantees accountability when power threatens liberties of individuals. For generations, Americans have used strikes and collective action to uphold constitutional rights. From labor walkouts that want economic justice to civil rights actions that ended segregation to modern movements demanding accountability from institutions that overreach their authority. Today in Minneapolis, we saw where over the past couple days, we see the same principles in crisis. Federal immigration enforcement is surging using operation metroserve which they have deployed thousands of ICE and border patrol or for short just say DHS agents so we don't confuse the two uh agents into the city the largest such operation in Minnesota's history and in the process two US citizens have been fatally shot by federal agents including ICU nurse Alex Prey these deaths have sparked widespread public outcry because local leaders civil rights advocates and communities feel that federal force is being used with insufficient accountability transparency or regard for civilian safety. Just as past strikes use disruption to force overdue reform, this strike and protest movement is a constitutional expression of collective voice demanding that federal authorities respect civil liberties, answer for actions taken in our streets, and use only powerways uphold rather than erode fundamental rights. And I yield the rest of my time. Uh don't worry. Okay. Uh our friend Lacto also usually prepares an opening statement. Um he's also boring like that. So uh you've got company there. Um, let's go to our friend um, Socrates. Very happy to hear what you have to say. And Socrates, uh, if you could also tell us like what you've been up to, um, just before you came here, that might be useful as well.

>> Yeah. Uh, I mean, in general, I've been moving. You can see I'm in a a new spot, but I was just on a couple calls um, discussing the situation. I'm not going to give uh, too much details. is nothing super special, but um there's a lot of just regular people organizing for what to do when ICE comes to terrorize your community. and the kind of community coming out to support each other, to support people who are specifically targeted by ICE, to support people who may be targeted by ICE, people who are afraid of being targeted by ICE, people who um are undocumented, people who are citizens who are brown or Latino, um people in Minnesota are afraid to take their kids to school, just regular even white people who citizens are getting um attacked and harassed by ICE just you know going about their daily lives just being a car on the street. Um so this is this is something that affects everybody and it's really incredible to see the way people are coming together. It's very scary times but it's very hopeful times seeing a a general strike after hundred years in Minnesota tens of thousands of people coming out. um all of the unions. I was on a call last night that included um union leaders and organizers. Unions are um are the are the people's power. They're workers power. That's why it's been eroded. And yeah, I mean I see you know laughing, but maybe you like the weekend. I like the weekend. I think the weekend is pretty cool. I think forward that week is pretty cool. Hey, I think this is my opening. So I don't know if I don't know what the rules are on that. I'm sorry. You called me out because I was laughing. My bad. I'll let you I'll let you continue.

>> Oh, are are you done? Are you done? Okay. Um I like 40-hour work week. I like a eight hour day. I like overtime pay. I like paid vacations and holidays. I like health plans. I like protections from unfair firings. I like safety and health protections on the job. I like fairness and promotions, job assignments. I like sick leave. I like higher wages for union members. These are all things that people are the people who came before us. people are still alive today fought really really hard to get these weren't just like oh we kind of decided somehow as a society we should have these things. These are this is exactly how this happened is people and as was referenced earlier um in situations a lot more intense like this um literally battling corporate goons um having wars against corporations who are trying to um push people under their thumb. This is how it happens. And we can see uh we don't know if it's a exact direct line of the effects of this strike or in general backlash from the public, but um Greg Lockjaw Bo uh is going home uh possibly early retirement. There's rumors that Christy Gnome is maybe going to get axed uh coming from the top. So, we don't know if this is the exact result of the general strike. Um, but these are things that that really do have an impact because even with all the AI that's being pushed to try to replace workers, we all know it's a bubble. We know it's not going anywhere. We know that people actually working in the productive sectors of our society. Um, when garbagemen go on strike, we know that everything stops, right? Um, so there's the kind of like, you know, white supremacists want to be fascist like Trump. Um, and then there's the kind of corporate elites that don't want to see the actual country fall to pieces and they are are willing to put some some pressure on their puppets like Trump when they see a lot of people standing up altogether. Um, and that's at the broad level. At the smaller level, when ICE sees themselves really, really outnumbered on the street, they're more likely to not resort to violence. And we see why they're attacking somebody like Alex Prey and trying to kill people who are filming them. Because imagine we didn't have those excellent different video angles of Alex Prey being executed on the street. It would be the witness's word against these officers. So, we can see why they're trying to harass and detain and kill anybody who's filming them because they don't want any other angle on this stuff. Um, and the the backlash against Christine Gnome for telling these obvious lies.

We can see it, but but we wouldn't have that if if people weren't filming, people weren't putting themselves in harm's way to to give us these these images. So, um this is this is our call to action.

Um you know, even if you're you're feeling like you're you're on the the right side and you know, never get tired of winning. Um you know, just keep looking at what's happening. Um it's not too late to join the movement. Uh, but it's too late to say that you didn't know what's going on.

>> Okay. Uh, open to uh to the uh panel.

>> Go ahead, Scott. I know you want to.

>> I I just had a question for Alex. Um, you know, in your opening statement, you maybe I misheard and I'm sure because you have an opening statement, you can just like pull it up. Um, >> were you What was your claim about economic justice in the beginning? What and what do you mean by the concept that we have like rights enshrined in protest for economic justice?

>> Uh speaking position go I don't think I have said anything about economic law. Let me see if I find it.

So So but you don't want to talk about like economic justice like what that means by that like what's important. I meant that like what you you meant by that if you mention >> specifically meant >> oh what I specifically meant like for example like the rights to like fair wages or whatnot because at one point in history people were getting paid like well below the poverty like and they still kind of are but at one point in history people were basically getting paid pennies you had child labor laws and stuff like that I would say that actually is in line with economic justice this is the things that we're basically talking about right there you know where the 40hour work week came from anybody

>> yeah Henry Ford.

>> Henry Ford.

>> Yes and no. Henry Ford was like the first major corporation to do it because he knew that it would make his workers more productive. But he had he had seen the results of Ulyses.

>> He had seen the result of Ulissiz Srant instituting it for federal employees, right? So, so like the true start of it would be, you know, the butcher grant >> um you know and and and him putting forward for government employees this, >> right? And and >> no unions involved. There was no >> unions unions protested for it and Grant then, you know, capitulated um because apparently you can be both a butcher and a coward.

Um but right, but then it was it was instituted it was instituted first by him. But yeah, Ford Ford was the first to rec I mean because like weekends were kind of already common, right? Um in terms of having Sunday off for religious reasons, right? So the the concept of having a a six- day work week was was uh you know because of Christians valued that and Christian employers also valued that.

Um and then you kind of you know eventually you get a lot of protest but it's not until the value of labor goes up that it actually even makes sense. Like unions didn't do jack [ __ ] to get us the the weekend. I mean, yeah, they protested, but they protested for 40 years before anybody actually instituted it because their labor wasn't valuable enough to justify it. And once their labor was valuable enough to justify it, I i.e. Henry Ford because he wanted all of his employees to be able to afford to buy one of his own cars because he knew that if he could expand it to all of the employees and and get costs down that that would um that that would benefit not only his company but that those workers would work better and that that would be better for America. He was a Christian philanthrop philanthropist in in in many ways and also kind of a bit of a [ __ ] racist.

Um but >> no, he was actually a real racist like a real one. Not not like a pretend.

>> Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah, that's well I was, you know, tongue and cheek here, right? Like like let's not let's not glaze him too much, right? But it was the economic productivity of of of of labor going up. You know, there's not really much that labor unions have ever done for anybody other than ruin our lives and try and constantly push socialism and, you know, [ __ ] every union uh every union leader. They're all pieces of [ __ ]

>> Yeah. I mean, this is this is total [ __ ]

>> Should they get the Christine treatment?

>> Yeah, I was going to say no. No, they haven't addressed upon anybody like if they've stolen money or committed some type of fraud like maybe like and I'm sure that would apply to like many of the >> most that would apply to most of the union >> leaders. Aren't they fraud in and of themselves?

>> No. No. I mean like like so like if you're in states where the state is, you know, forcing you to pay union dues like in the north, right? Because the state supports unions even though unions like to act like they're antagonistic to the state. They're pro they're corporate bootlickers is what they really are.

Um, and union leaders are are just they just suck. Yeah, they're they're professional bootlickers, right? So, they're definitely pieces of [ __ ] but unless they've directly like lied about what it is that they're doing. I mean, most union leaders are putting out pamphlets. They do say where their money goes. It's just that, you know, in in northern states, you have no choice because the government forces you to pay these pieces of [ __ ] And in the south, you have a lot of uneducated people that think that it's actually beneficial.

>> You wanted to say something?

>> Yeah. I mean, this is this is this is [ __ ] This is just >> what am I wrong?

>> I don't I don't I don't know if I don't know if you have something to like support all this all this crap, but this is this just like anti-UN stuff. Okay. Well, there's hundreds of thousands of people who've been doing general strikes for a long time. The New Deal was passed that cottified this in law. There were there was in Chicago, in Baltimore, in New York City. People have been protesting for this. And yes, it took some time to make it happen. Yes, there are probably complicated economic forces generations that happen, >> right? Generations.

>> Yes. Yes. So how where where are you drawing the conclusion that 60 years of protest >> 40 hour work week or the or the 8 hour workday that this just like oh well you know as soon as uh capitalists you know just notice that the the productivity of the worker was such that the material conditions made made it make sense to to just grant the workers an 8 hour workday you know then they just did it

>> right it makes more sense it's obviously more logical it's it's totally historical and obviously more logical but that Okay. So, here's your claim. So, I I I I'll challenge you this, right?

>> Right. Like my claim is that there is supply and demand in labor and that we and that supply and demand is true and that as the value of labor increases that they are gi Do you disagree that supply and demand is affects labor?

>> That's like it it feels like a vacuous statement like I don't I don't know what that I was just highlighting that because I don't know what >> right right. So like historically speaking, right, like after the black death, after the black death, right, we get a an expansion of workers rights and individual liberty in the UK. We get the Magna Carta. We get we get um you know, the the inclusion of of of the because the value of labor goes up. The value of labor goes up because there's less supply of labor because so many poor people were killed. Right? So my contention is that history shows that when that through time and time again that when the value of labor becomes productive enough that people get paid more or they get granted special privileges. And when looking at the American I absolutely agree that they fought and that they protested. Sometimes they committed violence. Sometimes um you know like robber barons if you will though many of them I believe have been castigated wrongly. Many of them absolutely were. um uh that that that 60 years of protests and then eventually a thing happens is not a very good evidence that the protests and the strikes are what gave us that thing. But all but I but what I think is much better evidence is that over time the value of labor increases and when corporations especially some of the biggest corporation like Henry like like Ford Motor Company, right? when they institute it and they give their reasoning is not because there there's no direct strikes or protests that were directly tied to Ford's decisions. In fact, he came upon that without those strikes or protests because he wanted because he felt that the val the labor was more valuable and that he felt that he could get more out of his workers and make more money by giving them a weekend off as opposed to just a Sunday off

>> and attract better workers. So like my my problem is is that you have this foregone conclusion that because I don't know why maybe you can give me like a really good argument or evidence that that the 60 years of protests affected change despite it spanning multiple generations whereas I have evidence of economic like law under under free markets. Obviously, we have a mixed market economy. We always have. So, there's going to be some give and play there. But that that is the reason that we have things like the weekend, the workday, etc.

>> Sure. So, so you can just you can just assert that the tradition of protests and the movement for an a 40-hour work week had nothing to do with Ford just decided to do that. You can assert that. That's fine. But the the law that you talked about of supply and demand, if I want to hire my workers and I want to hire them at a certain pay >> and that's what they're willing to accept, then that's what I will pay them. If they withhold their labor in a coordinated fashion such that I cannot hire them unless I ascent to the pay that they demand or the working conditions that they demand, then I will be forced to pay them a higher wage. That's very shifted. Straight forward. What have I shifted the goalost? Please,

>> because because what you are defending is whether or not an individual strike in a moment in time can get concessions from the employer because you're putting pressure. That's total mischaracterization.

>> It's not a mischaracterization at all. It is the logical conclusion of your claim.

>> I said so many times that I don't know that this exact strike led to these. I I most of what I said was caveats.

>> No, no, no, no, no, no. Because you owe the logical extension. Okay. But what did I say?

>> Yeah. Well, I'm I'm I'm in the processes of explaining why you're wrong and how you've shifted the goalpost because the conversation is not about whether an individual strike works in getting concessions from an individual employer. There's no doubt that if the entire that if you have a strike and you're not easily replaced, right, because it's difficult to train that that is going to get some concessions from that individual employer in that moment of time. They may be temporary, they may be permanent, etc. That's like I don't think anyone that understands basic economics would would disagree with that. The the the contention is your claim that the standardization of the 8hour workday, the weekend off worker protections that that safety things like OSHA are because a tradition of protests and striking over an 80year period. That is what I am arguing against. It's I I'm not arguing against the idea that strikes in the immediiacy might get concessions from the employer and I'm actually for those, right? Like I do think that that is a a communication signal both to the employer that the employees are so dissatisfied at a group level that they collectivize in such a way that it harms the immediate profits of the employer and forces the employer to realize that they're not paying person at a wage that they're willing to work. But your concession is I love all of these things that are now standard and this is because of this generation spanning section of protests. And I'm saying that it is far more explainable that the major like I wouldn't do a univaried analysis on this. I wouldn't say unions had zero impact but rather that the major reason that we have those things is because the productivity of labor has increased through the industrialization through increased education through increases in technology that increase the productivity of labor and that's why we have these new things because of a basic understanding of supply and demand. So just to so just to clarify, you believe that yes, a strike at a given workplace can lead to um to worker demands or some worker demands being met at that workplace, but that strikes everywhere cannot lead or cannot be can maybe be only like a very minor factor. But wait, wait, just because you talked for a little bit. I I just want to get >> Yeah. Oh yeah, you were asking a question so I was trying to answer it not but that's Go ahead. Go Um, but when you look at so the the New Deal, um, FD FDR was was talking about, hey, I'm putting these things in place to save capitalism from you dumbass capitalists because if I don't do this, they're going to tear you limb from limb and we're going to get a a French revolution and you're going to be out on the streets. So, I'm doing these things to prevent >> the retaliation of all of these workers. That's that's what he said. I'm not saying that that quote whatever.

>> There was definitely socialist movements and he introduced socialism to quote unquote save capitalism, right? But but but there's a there's an important distinction here. Why would a strike work? The only reason that a strike could ever work is if you are not paying your employees at a price or giving them, you know, benefits, you know, that that that are a part of this cost benefit analysis of like choosing to be an involuntary interaction with you as an employee enough, right? So, so the strike actually doesn't have the impact. No, hold on. No, no, no. I'm going to I'm going to finish. I'm I'm going to finish. Right. So, if let's say your employer was paying enough money, right? Like let's say your employer was overpaying.

>> There's a fundamental flaw. I get what you're saying, but there's a fundamental flaw.

>> Let's say let's say your employer was overpaying you 5% more than you were actually worth and then you go on.

>> Doesn't exist,

>> right? It it c almost certainly exists. It's absolutely true that some workers are overpaid. It would be insane for that not >> concept is faulty. I I can explain.

>> No, it's Well, then I I I mean then you just don't I that's I would love to hear your argument as to how it's impossible for a worker to be overpaid. um because I just I find that bonkers. But maybe you have something that'll be fun to get into. But no, what I'm saying is let's say right this thing that can't exist, which is an employer is paying um an employee more than their market rate. Um and that they're doing so at a loss, if that is if that if that cleans it up for you, right? And then your workers go on strike. Okay. Unless you have some very specialized um some very specialized labor that I can't easily replace you, then I can just bring in scabs and I would actually operate at a profit and there would be no reason to ever hire you back again because I was overpaying you. The only time that a strike can actually gain concessions in the long run is if the value of your labor is worth more to the corporation than the cost of bringing in new people and training them. And so ultimately the strike is just is just a means of expression of the fact that the strike does nothing until the productivity of labor is going up to the point that it is worth giving them these benefits. And therefore the entire striking culture has had little to no effect at of of the actual calculation of the value of labor and getting these benefits. These are just the means of communicating with the employer that their labor is actually more valuable and that it needs to match where it is in that current moment.

>> It would have equalized without the commie nonsense.

>> Yeah. Okay. So, so you can talk about this at a at a purely abstract way and I I really don't want to do too too much of that. there's there's a lot of other aspects of this this conversation, but in in our world where um CEOs are getting hundreds or thousands of times base worker pay at the point where corporations are extracting massive billions of profits where Elon Musk is >> um becoming a trillionaire,

>> right?

>> Well, if he increases the value of the stock by 20%. Right.

>> Sure. Yeah.

>> Which he's not going to do. But okay,

>> the idea the idea I mean that's how he would become there isn't any money available. There simply isn't wealth anywhere in the economy to pay people more than what they're getting. We know that that's not true right but that has nothing to do with my claim that could be true.

>> He was he was talking for a little bit so I I just want to you know have a few sentences. Um, so what you were saying with scabs coming in and undercutting those movements, yeah, that's that's definitely a thing that happens. But when you have a a really effective, functional, mutually aid, sustained general strike and you don't have a massive supply of people who are um because of the the devastations of not having health care, not having childare, not having food, not having rent money are are forced into becoming scabs. When you have good mutual aid networks that prevents that from happening and you have effective general strikes, if the entire productive population, if every sanitation worker, every we don't know so many steel mills, but every every worker across the nation says we're not going to do this until these demands are met. At a certain point, you do have those very wealthy, at this point, billionaire, multi-billionaire elites saying, "Okay, we can back off a little bit. We're getting some push back on how hard we're pushing people down." That's that's the thing that has that has the impact.

>> A huge number of people,

>> but you haven't I'm gonna I'm gonna come jump in just one more time. You haven't actually argued against >> you haven't actually argued in >> No, thank you. Um, I I will in just a second, but I just want to point out you haven't actually argued against any of my claims >> whatsoever. That was that was a long speech to decide if if I >> Well, no, it's just a fact. You You didn't actually argue against any of my claims. I believe that I did, but I got to let some other people. >> You just said magic words and pretty things, but you didn't argue against the claim. >> I did say magic words. Abraid. >> Yeah. Grid analysis. >> Harry Potter fan. I see.

>> Yeah. Yeah. I don't I So, I'm gonna I'm actually gonna um I will >> I'll give two examples. Um, I almost bought a company last year that is union. We didn't buy it because it was union. >> because Right. And that company's out of business now. Those people no longer have jobs. This is what unions do.

>> They're those people don't have jobs every time.

>> Okay.

>> They don't they don't have jobs now because when we went in and said, "Hey, we're going to take this non-union.

>> There's and and we're f we know we're going to make a a new corporation. It's all new. We we buy the assets. It's an asset purchase. The old company ceases to exist. Your union deal is gone. If you vote in another union, we'll we'll just close down and and the end of it.

Um, they didn't believe us. Uh, when we they the union uh rep came to us and said, "Hey, you're going to have a union here no matter what. This is what's going to happen." And I said, "Okay, we won't buy it." And that company's gone now. Now, the uh a friend of mine in Ohio, which is a heavily union state, uh owned a company for about 30 years, they made uh like cabinet uh like industrial cabinets of some kind. And uh Union came in and he told every employee, he said, "Look, you're free to vote however you want, but if this shop goes union, I'm shutting it down."

>> Okay? They voted in union.

>> Thanks for your support.

>> They literally voted in. By, by the way, just so we're clear, you might not be able to legally do that under the NLRB.

>> He voted in the union and he locked the doors Monday morning and shut the business down. You can't stop somebody from going out of business.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. I mean I mean this is this is >> Hold on, hold on, hold on. I listen I've been listening a very long time. Hold on, hold on, hold on. And my point of this is that you said and very clearly that when you have all of the management making all of this money, right, and the and employees seem to make very little money comparatively, uh that that's a problem and and and obviously the

>> I was talking to CEO specifically management is a little bit can be more gray.

>> I Okay, sure. But you you have all of these you have all of these people who are making a ton of money, right? And but those are the people who are putting things at risk. Those are people who have equity shares that have something to if the company fails.

>> No, they get golden parachutes. They get tons of money if the company goes under. Look at 2008. All those CEOs who were running the banks who were destroying everybody's home ownership, they all got golden parachutes. They got they

>> I know, right? Wouldn't it be nice if we had capitalism? didn't have that problem unlike the things you support,

>> right?

>> Um >> people would have gone people would have gone to jail. Businesses should have to

>> be clear CEOs are workers and those goldf it's it's this very interesting dichotomy. Um, if so what so and and I guess for me it's always boiled down to is I pay people what they're worth, right? And I paid people a lot of money like a lot.

>> That's great. I don't know that I I am I the only person that's ever written a like an actual paycheck to to you know a bunch of people.

>> I mean, I had 60 people working for me at one point in time that's which is a very small company but

>> I've had people work for me but not like I sent them paychecks and I mean I PayPal like not Yeah. Exactly. Same difference.

>> Yeah. So so all right. So when when when I'm you know, I don't

>> made sure to keep it under a hundred because of the laws. Soon as you hit that 100 mark, it's like, "Oh, you got to have you got to match health insurance. You got a lot of a lot of new things kick in at 100 employees." He's letting you He's like, he's like 60.

>> He's not wrong. He's not wrong. But I think if you as a business owner didn't have to provide health insurance, wouldn't that be Wouldn't that be such a headache off of your shoulders?

>> Wouldn't that be

>> I agree. You should not have to provide health insurance as a business owner. Agreed.

>> Yeah. What if it was just provided by the state? Hold on. Hold on. I want that second part.

>> I like this. I like this line of question. I want to answer this.

>> My for for two companies, I didn't provide any health insurance because every single person that worked in that building was 1099 contract employee. Every single [ __ ] one of them. They didn't have health insurance. They didn't receive workman's comp.

>> That's a beautiful story. Do you tell that every Christmas? I'm just You're the one that's saying, "Oh, these unions are the unions are the way to go." But but if you keep pushing employers to do things and cut their throats, they'll plan to try to underpay people, try to put their health at risk. I know this is what we do. They're the real victims.

>> Let's go. Let's go to

>> I mean, they'll just go to China, you know, which I mean, you should.

>> Yeah, I can do that, too.

>> I mean, that's where all of our scientists are going since we caught on.

>> Let's go to Alex. Alex has been waiting. Um, Socrates, uh, check your DMs. Uh, Alex, I get

>> All right. So, this has been a very interesting conversation, but there's a reason as to why unions are actually important. A couple a few years ago, BNSF, which is Burlington Northern uh Santa Fe, which is a rail line, it's one of the largest rail line companies that runs across the country.

>> They actually had a worker strike because they had a problem within their company. The problem was it's like there was a certain like system they had in place. I I can't remember off the top of my head. I I haven't pulled it up, but if I keep going back and forth, I'm going to get confused. Basically what was it was like a deduction system. If you had to take a certain amount of time off like kids get sick, you get sick or something like that. It was a deduction system essentially and after a certain amount of time you were suspended for a certain amount of time and they would come back and then your, you know, the tallies that you had was actually lower than it was before. The workers and the unions were trying to get it to where they were actually trying to make it so where they don't have to worry about that anymore. They didn't get deducted because you can't predict when you're going to be sick. little on the fact that rail workers are actually expected to be out for weeks at a time, come back and then just kind of turn around. Now, listen, rail work is a very tough business. It's not easy. Not everybody can do it. But the thing is, BNSF and other rail companies are trying to take drastic shortcuts. They're trying to cond uh condense the job of the engineer and conductor down to one job, which is dangerous. They're trying to cut down on why? Because their profit is not there. Now, the issue we're talking about is that unions are still essential. Now listen, if you've run a business, you don't need unions. Okay, fine. But that doesn't mean that unions aren't necessary. Unions have made sure that people get health insurance, dental insurance, making sure that their kids are uh provided for so that way they don't have to worry about going in debt because our country has the pays the most in health care costs than any other developed nation. Yet, our quality of care is among the worst of any developed nation. Now a lot of companies and corporations are saying well listen we take care of our workers. So what if we just paid you a little bit more money but we don't give you health insurance we don't give you dental insurance and you work in a very vast big business like oil business or uh ship container business something like that. It's not going to really guarantee anything because then where's the incentive if especially >> contractors do that every day. Well, but the thing is like it's driving up health health care costs are still going up. Cost of living is still going up. And yet you say, "All right, I'm just going to give you like 10 extra bucks on your paycheck because like Murray Industries, he's he's a coal miner basically. I know I'm gish galloping, but like um this guy basically said, "Hey, listen. I'm not going to pay uh uh listen, I'm going to take got all these OSHA safety regulations, but I'm going to give you a bonus here." And it was like 10 cents basically. So this is the accountability we're talking about where there are these people out there. is like, "Yeah, he's got all these billions of dollars, but if he's not willing to take care of his workers, why the [ __ ] should anybody work for him then?"

>> Because they want a paycheck.

>> Because he because he he'll write a check at the end of the week.

>> But the paycheck >> check at the end of the week is better than the unemployment line in most cases.

>> But the paycheck doesn't actually help you take care of your financial needs. Like doesn't help you make you Yeah. It doesn't help you during like, you know, for example, the cost of living is still going up, but your paycheck hasn't increased. And like for example, you need health insurance.

>> I know a lot of contractors right now that do not have any form of health care. They do not have any form of of anything. And they make and they they're probably making more money right now than they ever have.

>> Well, I I I just a quick, you know, like point of, you know, I guess preference, privilege, whatever, right? Um

>> I think it's um I think I think it is important to note right that passenger railways and and freight like work in kind of an ecosystem together right you you know freight train companies own a majority of the railways and you know one of the ways that they supplement their income is through passenger train systems and like I just feel like if you're trying to give like an example of how capitalism is like failing in a certain area and needs to be buffed by you know unions and things of that nature and and fought against maybe not use an example where the only passenger railway system is owned by US Congress.

>> Not necessarily because you have to understand something because like if you're just No, no, no.

>> I thought it was owned by Warren Buffett.

>> No, all of the preferred stock is owned by the United States government.

>> I did not know that.

>> But anyway, as as I was saying though regarding this, like if you're just going to tell me it's like, okay, well, you know, capitalism, great, no restrictions whatsoever. That's not a good argument. Honestly, there has to be some there has to be some >> No, there has to be some level of regulation essentially because you can't say there does >> no no no you no regulation no regulations are actually necessary because without regulation you got situations like for example I can pull up actually a good example about this uh like the triangle that can I ask Lactoid a question you're pulling that uptoid you're an attorney correct

>> are you a member of a labor union do you guys have a union for attorneys

>> sort of sort of

>> I would argue the bar the bar association sort of operates like a union

>> guild maybe more like guild

>> well but the line here between union and guild is like pretty

>> cartel I I wouldn't work cartel unironically yes unironically yes I I think that the the bar associations fit very much closer to a cartel but I think cartels unions guilds all these kind of share a lot of lot in common so

>> I mean thank god for Texas, you won't they won't need to pass the bar anymore, right? You can just you can get a lawyer off the street.

>> Sure. Look, I I I ju just to be clear, I have long been in in favor of um of removing the requirement that you be licensed with the bar in order to practice law despite the fact that it would hurt me financially, right? Like I

>> I agree with it most things. Real estate.

>> Isn't there a TV show about that called

>> I I I don't watch TV shows. Look, if you if you've got a great memory, I mean,

>> but it drives him up the wall. Yeah.

>> No, it's just like terrible.

>> It's like how doctors don't like watching medical shows. I mean, I I totally understand it. Um, because you're just like, "Oh my god, it feels like I'm at work, but I'm not at work."

>> Um

>> but what the bar association does in large part, not entirely, but in large part is it creates an artificially restricted uh economy, right? Right? It creates an artificially restricted pool of people who do this service which allows us as lawyers to charge you guys ridiculous fees because um if there was more competition then we could not get away with charging such high fees especially if for like lower level grunt legal work which is most of the time what people need uh can be handled by like some you know parillegal alone which by the way lawyers are paying to do the work and then signing their name on and then you know handing it over with a inflated bill to begin with. And this system is really possible because of the kind of cartel nature of the way the bar association works. But I would argue that uh unions, especially unions that get exclusive contracts with uh the government or with um or dominate specific industries operate almost entirely the same way, right? Like if if there's only one place to go uh in order to accomplish an XY, you know, a certain goal, and that place is a unionized facility, that union has tremendous amounts of negotiating power to negotiate uh, you know, a whole bunch of [ __ ] for their workers, raise that price up, and other people can't compete because they don't have that exclusive contract.

>> So Scott did a thing on the medical field not long ago. It was the um the uh health

>> lodge sub.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it was the same thing, right? That was just

>> Yeah. I mean, essentially, I mean,

>> like um to make an incredibly long historical thing short, um you know, the AMA and most of the medical regulations and laws that we have in place are,

>> you know, they were designed to benefit the rich and the wealthy elite. um as opposed to because poor people were you know collectively negotiating for the labor of doctors and they felt very offended by this and they thought that it was dangerous and minors and and and fraternities were creating you know vastly vastly cheaper forms of health care.

Um, but of course the current health care system um, you know, is one that is made by the rich to benefit the rich um as opposed to a free market capitalist system right where you could you know where you where you would come together in fraternal societies and pay dues. I mean like the the difference I mean

>> they were they were claiming you know several states made them illegal. They started putting regulations on them that were burdensome um because it was too cheap right? Capitalism makes health care costs too cheap. So they needed socialism to save the wealthy elite, which is usually the case when when socialism comes in. And that's just the history of the healthcare industry in America that you know if we had a free market again, we would have drastically cheaper healthare costs.

>> Can you show me where this free market healthcare is working right now?

>> We don't have free market healthare system. I just explained why that was destroyed.

>> Where in the world?

>> Yeah.

>> I mean,

>> we don't I don't think you have one,

>> right? Like I mean it's one of the most regulated industries in the entire world.

>> That's like a hypothetical

>> truck driving.

>> It's not a hypothetical. We have historical examples where capitalism drove the prices of healthcare down so low that doctors started petitioning the government to regulate

>> got up here a little bit that I I don't I we while it's not a free system. However, China has been deregulating uh certain aspects of health care uh over the last 20 years. one of them being dentistry and that has um actually uh the quality of dentistry has gone up even though um it's free market and there's no union or any there's no um I mean obviously there's some government interference because it is China but uh

>> China is a mixed bag because they don't have IP right so in some ways they're more capitalist than us um capitalist and the and literally the minute the minute they deregulated dentistry and and said okay we're we're you know it's no longer stateonly facilities. The second they did that, 30 40 dentists went private and they started building and actually there are corporate dentist um outfits in in China. Now that

>> it's just important. It's it's hard to it's difficult to state the the the lack of IP regulations, very very minimal IP regulations make sure

>> some of the some of the equipment that is necessary in healthcare drastically cheaper, right? you know, when when you have companies that own the rights to MRI machines and, you know, I mean, just go to any hospital, there's so much medical equipment and then they have, you know, there's like no right to repair because of the patent system on this. So, they have their own mechanics and their own people and so the government protections that are anti- capitalistic um that they give towards these corporations is like a problem that isn't seen as much in China, which drastically lowers the cost of

>> that's the problem with lobbyists. Well, that's also the problem with lobbyists. Like you got big farmer people that are basically buying the influence, but that's like that's a totally different uh bag of cats. But to kind of answer your question because I know that interse that that is the Austrian class analysis though, that's very important that you that you point that out the the lobbyism because that is how socialism works and that is how corporations gain power in an unfree market by regulatory capture of the state. so that the regulations benefit the wealthy elite instead of a truly free market.

>> But the but the same issue though is that like without regulations essentially you have issues like the triangle short waist factory fire where they didn't have any safety regulations and people burned up in there. If you don't have regulations keeping companies in check like for example um truck driving one of the most heavily regulated industries in the entire do you think there should be regulations for truck driving?

>> Well I bringing up truck driving I think is is is really interesting. No, obviously, right? I think the market should regulate this. Well, I think truck driving is a really interesting example because truck driving could have been so much more in this country and we could have had so much economic productivity. But again, kind of going back to the railway system, there were government protections up until the 1980s that made it incredibly difficult to have any trucking across the country because the government regulated uh most trucking to only be interstate as opposed to allowing them to to cross the state because, you know, this [ __ ] idea of like interstate commerce that the government is allowed to impact. And so we actually we actually kept trucking from being able to lower prices of goods and services throughout this entire country because the state regulated the economy for the benefit of the railway industry and rail freight until they finally realized in the 1980s that that that was an untenable position. They finally, you know, let loose a little bit and that drastically reduced the prices on so many goods and, you know, allowed us to live a more prosperous life because the government got out of the way of that. And so I feel like that's one example of how regulations on trucking industry have deeply impacted and harmed everyone in America by driving up prices and making the cost of production so much worse.

>> Well, not not necessarily, but here's the reason as to why. Because those regulations are in place for a reason. Like for example, in order to get a CDL, what are some things you need to do? You need to go through a certified course. You need to have a certain amount of hours on the road. And then before you actually become certified, you have to actually prove like 40 hours out on the road with a certified trainer. These are all necessary for a specific reason because everyone's been making a big stink about certain people driving like you know uh uh people that are not citizens. Those are regulations and I'm okay with those regulations because you want to make sure that people are proficient of driving within this country just like in any other country essentially regulations they're in place. Yeah,

>> I agree. I just don't I just don't think the government should be involved like you should let the market do. So, so, so, well, how

>> I think insurance companies, insurance companies would be way more efficient at determining the skill and the risk assessment of drivers based upon their skill. Like that is what insurance companies do.

>> No, no. But the problem is is insurance companies, they don't really give a [ __ ] about the people or the companies. They care about one thing and that's making a massive profit. They don't like that's why they'll be more efficient because

>> Yeah, but hold on. But if they get sued and they lose out on that profit, they're probably going to

>> that's the risk, right?

>> that allows them to be super efficient in determining what is actually the right level of skill tech.

>> We're going to put all these maritime law the way it is.

>> Otherwise, we're going to get sued.

>> Well, I can't comment on maritime law cuz I I don't know.

>> It's it's easy. Lloyds of London, who's been insuring ships since the [ __ ] East India Company, said there has to be a standard for ship captains. There has to be a standard for your ship before we will insure it. And they have forced international standards ac from for every comp company that wants to actually have insurance and nobody will do business with someone that's not insured or very few. I mean, I'm sure that there's some fly by night.

>> Well, isn't it the cargo that's insured actually?

>> No, it's the ship itself.

>> I thought it was like the cargo and the ship was like separately insured. I I could be wrong. I mean, I'm sure that there's all kinds of deals, but

>> explain this.

>> Well, I'm not going to I I don't know specifically about lawyers like maritime law.

>> So, yeah, maritime law is a little bit of a meme.

>> I I think we're kind of getting away from the topic though. Like,

>> yeah, a little bit. But, but I think what what they're talking about is that, you know, going to get insurance, especially as a company, isn't so simple as just like, oh, I've got insurance. There's a bunch of rules that these companies have uh in order to get insurance with them bec and especially whatever risk pool that you qualify for because uh insurance companies don't want to ensure a liability that's going to cost much more than uh they're able to get from them premiums.

>> Yeah, I can now ultimately real quick ultimately is this going to be enforced by the state? Uh I think so. I think ultimately private lawsuits are enforced by the state, right? If you get a judgment, who's going to enforce that? It's going to be the state. Um, but this is still a different kind of enforcement, I think, than large amounts of very minute regulations that are that don't keep up with um, you know, changing industries, that don't keep up with innovations in specific industries. And a lot of those regulations are noted for being innovation stifling for a reason, right? because they they will regulate something and if and if it the industry changes to no longer need that there's always going to be a delay before the law catches up with where the industry is currently at.

>> So um I want to so I want to ask one thing and very quickly I don't want to make a big thing about this. I want to ask Scott one thing but then I want to recenter this conversation

>> back when labors labor strikes and general strikes here.

>> Sure. Sure. Yeah.

>> Are we gonna talk about too at all?

>> Yeah. Yeah we can we can do that absolutely fine. Um, but uh uh just just one question and like I I'll just take your answer and I won't like make a big back and forth. maybe we can talk about later, but um the civil rights movement

>> um

>> like on your you had a whole point about like you know when protests are actually uh useful um specifically you're talking about strikes

But like, um, the Civil Rights Movement was, you know, a situation where, like, it was decades in the making, right? Of of of fights, um, and starts and stops and a lot of failures. Um, would you, and like, the Civil Rights, uh, movement was also, you know, a labor movement that was a component, um, in that. Um, would it be your contention that, like, that only succeeded because now, um, like, the the the labor of, uh, of Black individuals was such that it forced the state to respond, or or anyone else, like corporations, uh, as well, right? The power of, right, in terms of customers.

Yeah, there there's going to be some truth to that. I think the Civil Rights Movement is a bit unique, right? Because we're we're dealing less so with the, you know, the an employer in a voluntary transaction and their ability to engage with their employees versus, um, you know, state impositions, right? Because it is important to note in the Jim Crow South that it was not just that, like, like the Civil Rights Movement is, you know, guaranteeing certain quote unquote rights, um, which is really just a violation of human rights. Like the Civil Rights Movement was a horrific failure in in American, um, you know, philosophy and and, you know, an abandonment of the Enlightenment because, you know, it enshrines protections, um, you know, against the rights of individuals to freely associate. But it's important to note that that was a double-sided coin, right? That there were actually employers that were secretly hiring Black people. That there were employers that because of Jim Crow South laws from the state were forced to not be able to, forced to separate people. They were forced to have, if they even wanted to, you know, petition to be able to have Black people there, they had to have separate water fountains and separate bathrooms. That they couldn't have communal spaces, right? Much of the laws of the Jim Crow South were an imposition on not only on the labor, not only on the people, but also on the businesses in their ability to freely associate. And then the the pendulum swing is of course to get rid of the freedom of association based upon, you know, on the basis of race and things of that nature, which, you know, I I think was wrong. But yeah, I I would I would say that there is also some truth to the fact, right, that there is a growing value of labor and a need, um, for that for that population and, you know, a frustration not only from the people but also from some of the employers that is certainly going to lead toward to toward that success.

Okay, I'll leave it there. Um, but uh, thank you for that. Yeah. So, I mean, to get to the back to the the broad topic, ICE continues its rampage. I I do have some questions. So, I have six questions. I'll put them out and if anybody wants to butt in on any of them, I'm interested to hear. So, one, does the First Amendment protect free assembly and filming cops? Does the Second Amendment protect the right of a concealed carry holder to bring a gun to a protest? Is Alex Petty, a VA nurse who treated veterans, a terrorist? Does it make sense to detain indigenous Americans? And where should they be sent back to? Is there any line that ICE or DHS should not cross? And at the point that ICE and DHS have killed more Americans the first month of the year than undocumented immigrants, at what point do they become the problem? So, open to anybody, any question. I I can put these in. Uh

Yeah, I'm writing them down.

Yeah, if you Yeah, put them in put in the uh group DM so that we can just take a look.

All right. Well, I wrote them

stream. Uh, yeah. Yeah, just the Discord. Yeah. Thank you.

Yeah.

All right. I'll answer them. Um, one, yes. Two, yes. Although I'm surprised that, um, Democrats believe this after

believe it when it's convenient. The Rittenhouse situation where the number one objection that I've gotten was, well, he brought a gun to a protest.

You do believe that the First Amendment protects against filming and then second one does second protect the right of uh concealed carry holders to bring to protest. You say yes. Okay.

Yes. Yes. The Second Amendment protects the right to to keep and bear arms. I just again

in accordance laws. I just I just think that it's hilarious once again that uh this is all of a sudden like once again Democrats are very pro-2A in this very niche case, um, when Kyle Rittenhouse, again, the number one objection that I got besides crossing state lines, again, hilarious enforcing a border, um, was, uh, possession of a firearm at a protest. Uh, three is Alex Petty a domestic terrorist? Um, no, I don't believe so. Four, um, I could be proven wrong, but from what I've seen, I don't think so. Four, detaining indigenous Americans depends. There could be circumstances in which you'd want to detain indigenous Americans, just like you would want to detain anybody. Sure. Five, any line that DHS shouldn't cross? Yes, of course. I think everybody here, even the most extreme, like, get them all out of my country, I think even they would be like, yeah, if they started like, you know, just, you know, opening fire into people's houses, that probably wouldn't be okay. Before, like, in terms of the indigenous Americans, it seems clear and Socrates can correct me if I'm wrong, that he means like, uh, should DHS agents, you know, immigration agents detain, uh, indigenous Americans, um, and then where should they be sent back to? That's seem to be what the implication

Wait, we're talking about detaining, talking about deporting? Are we saying should indigenous Americans be deported?

Yeah, if they're indigenous, if we're talking about like people like Native Americans born in America, they would not

Socrates, they'd be American citizens. They wouldn't be deported anywhere.

Okay.

Okay.

Does that answer your question, Socrates?

Uh, and then, um, yeah, I mean, five, you you started to answer. I I was just curious. You're doing an awesome speedrun, so I'm I'm just, yeah, loving hearing your responses.

Sure.

Um, any line the DHS shouldn't cross, of course. I think everyone agrees with that. Even the most hardcore MAGA person is going to say, "No, I don't want ICE just like, you know, rolling down the street just firing into people's houses." I mean, that's yeah, that's an extreme example. I think for me, the line is much before that, like for most people, but again, I think everyone's going to agree with that to some extent. Uh, and then six, uh, considering that DHS has killed more people than illegal immigrants, um, within this first month, does this indicate that DHS is some sort of problem? Not necessarily. Uh, it would depend on the circumstances of those deaths, um, which is, I'm sure, what we're going to talk about at some point, and we have talked about before regarding some of the other incidents. Um, and then also, I don't think we're talking about a time scale here in which we can honestly evaluate. If we're talking about the first month, um, within a specific localized area.

For for the five, I'm I'm actually curious what you think about the the warrant thing.

I got a problem with that being able to go into a house without a warrant.

Yeah.

Just start like grabbing people.

Yeah.

Yeah. And so now I understand that was like, there was a memo about that. My I I haven't seen indication that they're doing that yet. And my belief is that if they tried, well, here's my belief. If they, my belief is if they tried to do that, that would quickly uh uh be stopped. That's my guess.

Um, and if it for whatever reason isn't, then I'd have a problem with that for sure.

Okay. And stopped by who? And and also how would that interact with question two?

By who?

Legally speaking?

Well, no, like legally stopped by the courts. I'm not talking and sure I'm there probably would be an increase of use of force incidents, uh, if they started doing that, right?

Well, I mean, they've been using force the entire time. Like they've been used like the the voice has been used against the citizens like literally the entire time. But I actually want to um, I'm glad you brought that up, um, in terms of the, um, uh, the warrants, uh, situation. Right. So I want to catch up the audience in case they don't know. Right. Um, so one, there's a a secret memo, uh, floating around, uh, or okay, there's a secret memo supposedly, uh, within ICE, within DHS, um, that says that, yeah, you can, um, uh, go into, uh, these, it has an alternative route to go inside a person's house. Um, and it's an alternative way of like explaining to, uh, to ICE officers like what their abilities are. Um, that doesn't seem to, uh, quite align with like federal regulations. And with this secret memo, this is according to, uh, insiders, right? Um, one person who's

people familiar with the president's thinking.

No, no, no, not not the president, right? Within, uh, immigration officials. But no, no, I'm making a joke because media would just like report whatever rumor they heard and then they would use something like people familiar with the president's thinking.

Yeah. Yeah. So, um, anyway, like they've said, like immigration officials have said, um, that, um, this memo, um, is secret and you can't, there's like, there's not copies given to anyone, right? There's, uh, there's only a few people in the upper file have that.

One sec. uh, only a few, um, uh, officials have it, right? And then they relate it to you like you have to, if you are going to see it, they just show it to you. You can't take notes. You can't like, uh, p take a picture or anything, right? Um, you can't, uh, from there, it's orally transmitted to the to everyone else. Um, that's what they're saying. So it sounds like a secret memo that they don't want anyone else to know about. I don't want anyone else to have, uh, copies of, but they're telling that, um, they're training their officers on the secret memo. So that's the issue there. Um, also, also, um, there's an issue of, uh, the warrants, right? Um, you should to for officers to enter into a home, uh, you need a judicial warrant, right? Judicial warrant signed by a judge. Um, now ICE is using administrative, uh, warrants, and these aren't warrants at all, um, they are basically, um, forms, I think I believe it's the I-250 form, uh, that's signed by an an ICE official, some other ICE official to, uh, a form given to them to another ICE official that says you got permission. This is not legal, right? They call administrative warrants, again, to to confuse, uh, individuals, and they'll, uh, show it to people within their homes. Oh, I got a warrant. They don't have a goddamn warrant, right? Um, it's [ __ ] Um, and so, uh, they've been using this, um, to illegally enter homes. Uh, JD Vance, and this is where I was going to with all this. Uh, JD Vance made a stirring defense of all this. Um, JD Vance tried to obfuscate what was happening. JD Vance, the known liar, um, uh, obfuscated all this and and and, uh, tried to pretend that, oh, this is not happening. We have administr apply to, we maybe have administrative judges, um, signing, uh, administrative warrants, but I I don't know. I just kind of want to move past this. He's been trying to obfuscate this issue and defending, uh, uh, the practice. I can bring it up. I can, I can bring up the, the actual video of him doing that. JD Vance, the liar. So I'm wondering at what point, my my question here that I'll I'll leave it off here. I'm I'm wondering, lag to it. At what point, uh, do you finally, um, uh, stop supporting, uh, this individual? Right. Uh, uh, JD Vance backing what seems like, maybe you have a different idea, right? A a lawless organization, who, um, is making up their own rules, ignoring, uh, the, uh, the Fourth Amendment, I believe. Um, um, and, uh, JD Vance, backing them and lying about them. At at what point, uh, are you against, um, uh, the lies? At one point do you stop supporting JD Vance?

When he says tax lactoid more.

You you've asked me a couple times. This is my answer. It's still the same. Uh, I'm As long as he's running against the the likes of Tim Walls and Kamala Harris. Uh, not yet. Not yet. If he was running against somebody better, maybe.

But as long as he's running against Tim Walls, not yet.

Yes.

What if he's running against somebody that mugs him? Huh?

You should think about that. My problem with, uh, you act to is once again, you pretend to have these, um, uh, uh, values, principles, but it's basically team sports review, red team versus blue team, that these things never come to play when it's, uh, uh, people who are, uh, promoting, um, protecting, um, and advocating for massive state violence. Libertarian lactoid backs them. Oh, I Tim Moles might be on the other side of the ticket, right? And so he's got to vote for them. Has got to support them. Um, uh, when it comes to them, uh, violating, uh, civil rights, uh, uh, libertarian, uh, lactoid tells you, well, there's no other choice. I still got to back them, right? Team's got to win.

If you're going to keep saying that, can you throw some sarcasm in the word libertarian? A little little deeper. Appreciate it. Thank you. Real libertarians over here just say [ __ ] ICE and [ __ ] politicians.

I I agree. I agree. Real libertarians. That's what that was my implication, friend. Sorry. Um, real libertarians, classical liberal lactoid. Classical liberal lactoid.

Classical liberal lactoid.

Um, uh, supports them no matter what. So I'm just saying your principles are [ __ ] Lactoid. That's the point I'm getting at here.

Sure. Well, so a couple things. First of all, I'm I'm glad to hear that Scott, uh, you know, he believes that true libertarians say [ __ ] ICE, despite the fact that I'm pretty sure your evolution to being an open border libertarian was pretty recent. So I'm assuming that you weren't a true libertarian for how long have we been doing panels for? I mean, how many years is that? Since we've been doing panels, I've always openly stated that it should be illegal to deport anybody unless they were a criminal. But yes, my stance on border enforcement specifically.

Wow.

No, no, not criminal according to the state. I mean like a natural law criminal, like I've like like trend awa or something, right? Like I've no issue with one gang taking out another gang. Um, but, um, yes, it is it is true that I have removed from a borderitarian on that position because I realized the flaws in hoppy and border

into a true libertarian. Yeah, I had some unlibertarian beliefs. Now he's

Yeah, he was a little he was a socialist, right? And then he became a libertarian. So there's hope. The difference is that there's hope.

I I derived those opinions from the NAP. I had done so, uh, incorrectly, I believe, erroneously.

But you but you deny the NAP, right? Which is kind of part and parcel of not being a libertarian.

But in erroneously applying the NAP, you were committing yourself to some modicum of socialism, weren't you? Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Like I like this is an evolution,

right? Sure. And the one drop rule means that you were

I started prime I started prime com as a minarchist.

Well, can you answer that? Like up until you changed your mind because one drop

you were a socialist that whole time, weren't you?

No. I I still I still, um, I still argue that I had not denied the nap. Like you can be incorrect about an opinion, but if you're intentionally denying the nap, that's that's different than a one drop rule. Like people can have wrong opinions, right? Like we can like like plenty of nap theorists

plenty of nap theorists, right, are going to disagree on like homesteading principles of sound on property and like how that works, and like there are plenty of things I could be, I'm probably wrong on some things right now as we speak, and that I'll those opinions will evolve at some time, but I'm not rejecting the nap, right? Like you're rejecting the very thing that is the axiom of libertarianism. Well, what it seem it seems to me though that earlier you've described me as a socialist because I've held, uh, anti-libertarian beliefs, right? And holding any of them would appear to designate me as a socialist because of your literally one drop rule that you implemented.

That's okay. He's called me a socialist five times a day.

I'm not I'm not offended. I just think it's again a little funny. Uh, a little funny because, um, it would seem then Scott, that if I were to simply keep all of my same prescriptions and all of my same beliefs, but then say

Mhm.

assuming that you believed me that they were all motivated by the net

which obviously I wouldn't, right?

Sure. But but assuming that you that you would all that was motivated by the nap, now I'm a true libertarian in your mind, right?

Well, I think you'd have to do an investigation, right? On like, you know, how you're deriving all of these anti-NAP things from the net.

Well, through dumb re like to like mental gymnastics, blah, blah, blah. But you still believe me when it comes to me believing in the nap and genuinely believing that all my beliefs stem from that.

I would believe that you believe if if presuming I believe that you believe in the NAP, but that you're wrong on a bunch of [ __ ] right? Then I would believe that you're a bad libertarian that believes in socialist things that needs to be educated.

Potentially. Potentially. This is this is potentially, like, this is an fun, this is a fun thought experiment. I do agree, right? Because it's like, what, what the essence of being a libertarian is the axiom of the NAP, and so the question is, is can you be wrong, right? Like unintentionally wrong, right? You can't intentionally be wrong.

It feels very religious, by the way. The central, you know, regardless of the denomination, the central figure you have to accept is Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. Once you then, then you're a Christian, okay? Everything else, you know, argue bells and whistles, we can argue about.

Fair enough. Um, plenty of bad Christians out there, right? Plenty of Christians that are wrong.

I want you to address what I said, um, about your, uh, uh.

Yeah. I'm going to I'm I'm Yeah. And then I'm going to ask a question.

I didn't take it here.

Um.

Yeah. Well.

The investigation, you know.

Yeah. Um, I mean, I think it's, I I think that you can be politically, and this is, I you obviously, because you didn't vote, uh, for the Democratic ticket in 2024, um, maybe have a different perception about this that I'm not going to be able to get you on hypocrisy on. Um, if you did, then I would get you on hypocrisy on this, just to be clear. And I'm assuming that everyone else here voted for one of the two major parties in the election, besides Cory, of course.

Um.

I illegally voted.

Uhhuh.

Yeah. How many times have been So So, so if they attack me for this, then I'm easily going to be able to get them for hypocrisy. But you, it's going to be harder.

Coming to Virginia soon.

So I don't think that you're being hypocritical here. I my perception of principles and values is that you can hold them and they can serve to guide you, but there's political, uh, there's pragmatic realities that exist within the political sphere, and, uh, for me, unfortunately, I've sort of come to accept, after voting for the losing libertarian candidate for two election cycles in a row, that, um, I didn't want to have a worse option have an advantage than a better option. Do I mean a good option? No, I mean a better option. So, um, do do I recognize that this thinking ultimately is a thinking that, uh, supports a two-party system in the first place in the aggregate? Probably, right? But unfortunately, like the argument is, it's a pretty convincing argument still, like that is the reality we live in. Um, the turd sandwich with the douche, and I made a, uh, calculated decision where, yes, do I think that, do sorry, no, do I agree with everything that they've done? No, of course not. And I, I think I've been pretty good at sticking to my principles and criticizing the administration when they do something that I disagree with. I have been very outspoken about, uh, some specific things they've done that I think are particularly bad, both on these panels and also on Twitter, uh, that doesn't mean that I think they're going to be better than Tim Walls, who I think is genuinely awful. I think Tim Walls is very bad, and there's few people I can think of who I wouldn't vote for over Tim Walls, actually.

Say

Would you vote for me over Tim Walls?

100%. So you can you can understand. I I don't, sorry, I don't understand your, uh, level of animosity towards Tim Walls, right? However, you do know

murder.

you do know my animosity towards Donald Trump, right? And so, um, I understood, uh, what the stakes were, um, and I didn't vote for, uh, either, right? Like, [ __ ] Kamala Harris, [ __ ] Biden, [ __ ] Trump. Um, like that's the only way of doing it. U and like, so

It's getting more libertarian every day, boys.

And this is the problem. Like I said from the very beginning, I'm not going to be able to get you on hypocrisy here. Like the way that you like operate on this is just a different way of thinking. Not I'm not saying it's necessarily wrong. It's just a different way of thinking, right? Like, like you have this, um, you're going to be able to say that, like, yeah, like I'm not, I'm uncompromising, even in the face of, uh, certain political realities on this thing, right? I will not, in your opinion, you will not vote for a genocide, no matter what.

Absolutely not.

That that is your position. I understand that.

Absolutely not. And so like, I, and, and, and I'm not going to try to beat you up over the vote, right? That's this is in the past and moving forward. Okay? And that's what I'm concerned about is moving forward. I'm not saying, hey, like, disavow your previous vote. I'm talking about disavowing this individual now in the future, who honestly keeps lying since then.

Who's going to run? Who's going to run against him?

Who does this make? But no, no, no. I'm sorry.

I disavow any lies that he said. Yes.

Frank, here's the issue, right? Like at some point, right? Like, like you have, there there must be a, uh, a lower limit, right, to what you will accept, right? And the reason why I I focus on the libertarian aspect is because as a supposed libertarian, right? Um, you're supposed to be against state violence, but here you are, like, you haven't been cheerleading this to be clear, right? Like, you've said, like, you're not like some sort of hardcore immigration like hawk or anything like that. No, you've said that, right? But you've def, but you've, uh, defended it like the entire time. You made excuses for it the entire time. And the person in the White House, one of the people in the White House who's been, uh, uh, uh, pushing this, um, and, um, uh, advocating for it, right? JD Vance, you support at some point, what like, what is, uh, what is the limit here, right? Like, can he go so low? What can he do to lose your

There's, yeah, there's some limit.

He's the most socialist vice president we've ever had in American history. What? Like, what's your limit, bro? I, you made that claim before and then I brought up like, "Hey, what about FDR?" And you walked that claim back before.

I said modern.

Tell me that the FDR ticket.

Did I not say modern social? Did I misspeak? Because I make the claim often and it's usually of modern time.

What's when does the cutoff for modern history?

That's fair, because technically it's like modern and then postmodern. Okay. I mean, the etymology of the word modern.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, since Bill Clinton, right? In my lifetime.

Right? Obviously FDR, Woodrow Wilson would be more socialist. I'm talking about the guys that nationalized industry and Intel by 10%. I'm talking about the people that are running, you know, scams with Larry Ellison and Oracle for TikTok's acquisition. I'm talking about the people that instituted the greatest tax increase since I've been alive in the form of tariffs. Like these are hardcore socialists compared to any other president before them.

And the reason it's and they've done nothing meaningful to get

Here's the problem. Here's the problem. I agree that many of Obama's policies were deeply socialist. But the problem is is

Obamacare.

any of the ones you don't fight hard to get rid of are ones you're tacitly supporting. Right? It's kind of a progression issue. The country is getting increasingly socialist, and you don't do everything you can to fight against them, and you only like kind of fight against

No, they are they are fighting. No, stop. They are fighting against Obamacare. They they tried to repeal it.

Trump has twice had all three branches of government. They Yes. And it's difficult. Yes. And they got betrayed by, um, whatever the [ __ ] his name was. Uh, the dude John McCain. Like, Yes. This, they, there wasn't

he dead.

not in the firstition, not not at that vote, he wasn't dead then.

Um.

He's dead now, right? Or

He's, yeah, he's he's dead now, okay.

Yeah, as far as so far as I'm aware, he's dead now, yeah.

But his mom is still alive, by the way.

That's crazy.

Just throwing that out.

Also, you another thing that Trump did was he, uh, reduced the individual, uh, contrib, or what is it? The shared responsibility contribution payment. He dropped, cut that down to zero because that was within his discretion. Um, they've

Yeah, he's done some expansions of that. Yeah. So, so when you're saying the most socialist, uh, president, or I guess vice president here, I mean it.

I don't think so. Um.

He has different values than left-wing socialists. I agree with you on that.

Yeah. If if that is the case, it's only by virtue of the fact that we are trending towards socialism, and every president's been a bit worse than the priors going back.

I agree. Like that it is it is a two steps forward, one step back situation. But on top of that,

But on top of that, nationalizing industry and having the largest tax increase in in my lifetime is pretty [ __ ] socialist.

Yeah, sure. And I am not going to defend all of Right. socialist.

Right? But you're kind of defending him by being like, who's worse, man? I still support him because, you know,

Tim Walls would be worse.

Have I have I defended the tariffs ever?

I don't believe so. I mean, we've talked about him a lot, right? So, maybe at one point you defended aspects of them, but not like in terms of like a

I I defended I defended some very niche, like, uh, defense-related tariffs on China specifically.

I wholeheartedly opposed tariffs that were across the board, um, and I've consistently done that both here and once again on Twitter. Like, I am not above criticizing this guy for the things that I think that he does wrong. But what I'm sensing a little bit, what Prime is trying to get, Yes. I disavow all the bad [ __ ]. Yes. But

But what I think is it

I said that I literally said before, I disavow all the lies. I disavowed more of that for me.

Yeah, I know. Oh, I know what I know Prime wants more than that. That's what I'm trying to explain. What I think Prime wants me to do is disavow the person and make some sort of commitment that I'm not going to vote for them again, regardless of who they run against next time.

Is that am I right, Prime?

Yeah.

Yes, that's what he wants. Scott, and I'm not going to give that to him right now.

Saying at some point that they like, can there be something that disqualifies them, right? And can you name that right now? Can you name it?

I Yes, right now I can name it. If they pack the court, that is a disqualifying action without question.

Okay. All right. Okay. So, and then and then I wait. I I have a I had a question I wanted to ask, uh, for Socrates here and really the best, and I'll let you do that. I just want to say this one thing and then you and Socrates going to go back and forth, right? Um, so just, it's something I just want to say to you personally. Um, Lactoy, right? Yeah. Uh, Lactoy, you know, and you've seen me do it, right? You've seen me, uh, bring the same energy to liberals, right? Uh, because [ __ ] liberals, [ __ ] their democracy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [ __ ] [ __ ] their hypocrisy. They talk about the these these morals, these values, these things that don't exist, right? And they prove that all the goddamn time. Um, and so I bring the same energy. Uh, but like, it's not a a dislike towards you. In fact, Lactoid, I tend to like and respect you a lot more than any of those [ __ ] liberals who are supposedly ideological closer to me. Right. I think you, I the reason why I push you on this is because like, I, I've said this many times before. I think you're better. I think you're better. Um, and so like, I don't, you've never seen me push Gibbs on this because Gibbs is

He can fix you. He can fix you. That's what he's saying.

But he can't fix Gibbs, apparently. Yeah.

Gibbs is unfixable.

That's why I I have these interactions with you, right? It's because I respect you so much. Um, so I'll leave it there. All right. Well, I know I I appreciate that. Um,

and I, I like I said multiple times, I'm not going to be able to get you on hypocrisy on this because you're the way you view this is truly different. Um, so Socrates, the question I have for you, and this is in direct, it's actually going to be a repeat of one of these questions that I sort of hinted at when I was responding.

Uh, do you believe the Second Amendment protects the right of somebody to bring a gun to a protest?

Yeah, I do. And I, I have, I have a question for you that's related to what you were just talking about, but I don't want to, I don't want to cut short

what you're where you're talking. These are separate, but both Okay, there we go. Focus. Um, yeah, I, I 100% do. Um, I think that there's like

Did you with Sorry.

Did you with Rittenhouse?

Yeah, I did. I supported his his right to do that. I never said that he like should have been arrested for that or that that was like like illegal or should be illegal. I question kind of like the motive. So there's, you know, I'm a I'm a I'm a pretty, uh, you know, liberal small small ele, I don't know. I grew up in a very liberal area, um, city, not a lot of guns. Um, have shotguns a little bit. My, uh, you know, if anyone wants to talk about my credentials, I played a lot of first-person shooters. My first shot with a real gun ever was a bullseye with a pistol with iron sights. Um, guns, guns are really fun. I found out when I shot one, guns are really fun. But there there is this like weird streak that I hear in a lot of people where it's not like, okay, a gun is a tool. It's really fun in like a recreational context, but when it comes to people, it's like a last ever resort that could ever happen. There's people, and you hear this all the time, and I'm sure that like, you know, other 2A people are like, "Yeah, I don't like these people either. I don't want them at my range, whatever." But people who are like, "Oh man, if somebody busts into my house, I'm going to shoot them with so many guns. I don't care how many toddlers are, you know, in the neighbor's house behind my drywall." you know, the people who were just like salivating to to have a a legally justifiable reason to shoot somebody. That was like a tiny bit of the vibe. I don't know if that was accurate to Rittenhouse or that was media portrayal. I wasn't like obsessing over that story. That was the thing that like put off some kind of sus meter. Um, and then there was like the question of like his his age or the state lines or that was just like question mark, what is the legal process around this? But yes, in general, um, people who are showing up like in 2020 to the capital who are protesting masking, who had guns, the only thing that I, and the only thing that I ever heard from liberal people was not like, oh, arrest these people for for having guns. Oh, they shouldn't be able to do this. What they were saying was like, it kind of feels like if you had somebody who was like, who was who was Black, who was protesting for a liberal cause, who was just having a gun in this situation, that they might get a very different treatment, and it wouldn't be this kind of hands off. And then on Saturday, we have somebody who has a concealed carry permit, who never brandished on him, who was never threatening anybody, who was executed. And the justification was, well, he had a gun. And then people are saying, well, why did he bring a gun to a protest? He must have been up to something.

People say a lot of Let me explain the issue.

Just quickly, just quickly, super chat, then I'll go straight to it. Um, it says, uh, thank you. My listening library says, my the big problem with Rittenhouse is people felt, uh, he came there to fight. Thank you, my listening library, for that. But this stuff with everything else.

Yeah. And and there's a distinction because somebody could show up with a gun in a situation where there might be tension, and if I think

that their thought process, and it seems reasonable in that circumstance that they're holding a gun to say, "Hey, like, stay away from the situation," and it gets complicated, escalating, deescalating. But if my subjective interpretation is that it seems reasonable that what they're doing will and is likely, and they're they want to deter people rather than looking for a fight, then I'll be very

Just a quick question. Even if he was quote unquote looking for a fight, would it be wrong?

Why would that be wrong?

I I want to hear what

Yeah. So I mean, I

it was there to protect private property, right? From communists trying to burn down the city. Wouldn't that be a good thing?

If he was looking for a fight?

That's right. But that's going to take it to a whole different avenue as to like property, like whether blah, blah. Yeah. The property kind of element and whether

Yeah. It'll get into like logic and reason.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm more I understand that you want to get into like the logic and reason, which by the way, I'm going to agree with you by most of that, but right now I'm focusing on the very important topic of liberal hypocrisy, which I care about very deeply.

Um.

Fair enough. So, according according to a Yukov survey that I saw, uh, post a quiddle of Kyle Rittenhouse, three-quarters of Democrats thought that he should have been, uh, convicted. Three-quarters.

Well, how do you, how do you feel about, how do you feel about what I said?

Well, no, I'm going to I'm going to get, I'm going to I'm going to tie this in.

So, three-quarters. Uh, there were statements made by top officials, including, um, the governor, the lieutenant governor, lieutenant governor made some pretty brash statements actually about, uh, the situation and the acquitt, uh, and, um, the arguments that consistently kept coming up, uh, was, well, he brought a gun to a protest. What did he expect? Was he, he was looking for a fight? He was looking for an excuse to use it. He was showed up to a protest with a gun. Why else would somebody show up to a protest with a gun unless they were looking for a fight? He crossed state lines with a gun to a protest. This is the number one by far objection that I get when I say actually look at all the evidence. Uh, he was incredibly hesitant to use the gun. He only used it at the last possible moment. His actions throughout the day were indicative that the gun was there for self-defense and the fire extinguisher and the, uh, and the, and was there to protect property. The fact he was cleaning up the graffiti that was on buildings that was for the purpose of protecting property. The fact that he was running around giving medical aid to people, um, doing nothing but pro-social [ __ ], and the gun was there to defend him, and he used it at the last possible, mast possible moment, even when he flashed it at somebody who was chasing him and they continued to chase him. Right? You look at all that, and still the objection comes, well, why did he bring the gun in the first place? Why was he there? Why was he there in the first place with that gun?

And I always thought those objections were [ __ ] crazy. And I shared the rage and the perceived hypocrisy when you get certain people from the administration, like Cash Patel, who made similar statements.

Uh, you don't show up to a gun with or you don't show up to a protest with a gun in two magazines unless you're looking for trouble. Uh, which that statement has been rightfully disavowed by most 2A organizations. Uh, I think it's [ __ ] crazy. I disavowed that statement in its entirety. That's that's [ __ ] right? But I don't see how Democrats can. Now, you're maybe you're the exception. Maybe you're one of the 1/4th that has been consistent the whole time.

But I know that three-quarters, I know that three-quarters of people weren't they weren't consistent on this. But right now, they're willing to use this, uh, and say, "Well, it shouldn't matter. We care about the Second Amendment. We care about guns." But they don't. But they don't. They don't care about the Second Amendment, do they? Did they? But they do now.

Yeah. I mean, I think I think it's very fair to call that out. I think it was kind of a salacious news story that that subjective interpretation of like, what did this individual have in his mind of what he was trying to do? Um, there's al there's questions of like, just kind of like level of competency. I think there's a number of people who maybe saw that and were supportive of 2A, but were just like, not a 100% sure that this was like a good situation or thought that he was a dumbass for having done this. Not that he shouldn't have the right to, or that, or that, you know, anything legally should have happened differently. Um, but this subjective interpretation of like, literally what did he want to happen? Was he was he hoping that this would deescalate things, or was he hoping that he would get to shoot somebody, which I I think you'll acknowledge is a a a desire that exists among some some people that you know

exist among some people. But all the evidence, all the evidence in that case indicated the opposite, including how selective he was. But but here's the thing, using your logic,

couldn't Republicans, I think this is what a lot of what especially Cashel and what some of them are doing is they're saying this guy came here for a fight.

So, yeah. So, that's so that's when you compare these two cases, are there any significant differences in the circumstances? So, there's there's one big difference. Kyle Rittenhouse shot and I think killed, right? Is that this is like literally ago?

Yeah, shot three people, killed two.

Killed two. So, he killed two people, shot three people. Alex Petty, Alexi never

never drew

his weapon. And he was and he was killed.

I Yes, I understand he never drew his weapon. But the question

That is a difference.

Yes. But the question is bringing the gun in the first place, right? Which he did.

Yep. And then the the other thing is, um, his actions at that point, the so I mean, if if you're looking at, so if you want to evaluate like, what is your kind of subjective interpretation of of a person, which is which is what this comes down to, because I think we both acknowledge legally speaking, okay, covered in house, I I don't know when it comes to like state lines or age or whatever, I literally, I'm whatever lawyers or the court say, I accept. I'm

allowed. He was he he was allowed to have the gun. The judge that charge

Then then he's legally, I'm not contesting any legal aspect.

Just like Prey was legally allowed to have the gun, honestly. I mean.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The the subjective interpretation of just when you look at this person holistically, what did they attempt to accomplish? That's I mean, we can we can go through those facts, but to talk about Alex Alex Prey, he was a VA nurse who was treating people in the community. His last words were, "Get away from her. Are you okay?" He put his body in between somebody who was shoving this woman and just saying, "Hey,"

he was trying to deescalate and was just

Hold on, hold on. He wasn't just somebody. It was a law enforcement officer in their official capacity. That's a DHS handwave that [ __ ]

It was a DHS thug. A guy that shoved a woman to the ground that was blowing a whistle like she was a law enforcement agent.

You might not like this law enforcement. Come on.

This is fundamentally what? No. No. So assault from place is perfectly legitimate in your eyes.

No.

Okay. That's what he did. They're they're authorized to use force when they are

Huh?

What force? What force was necessary to push a woman that was blowing a whistle?

Did she not approach his car?

No, SHE WAS STANDING.

THEN. YOU'VE NOT WATCHED THE [ __ ] VIDEO THEN. I CAN'T TAKE ANYTHING you say seriously. You are absolutely [ __ ] [ __ ]

DO NOT SHOUT. OKAY, SIR. LOWER YOUR VOLUME. OKAY, BACK TO NORMAL. OKAY, SO SHE WAS STANDING IN THE CAR BLOWING A WHISTLE. GUY COMES UP AND SHOVES HER. ALEX PETTY. THAT'S NOT HOW THAT [ __ ] HAPPENED, YOU IDIOT.

Okay, let me let me let me finish this. Okay, it's fine. Okay, okay, fine. You got to say it's more context. Anyway, DHS agent then pepper sprays him, maces him completely. Eight more thugs come around, start kicking the [ __ ] out of him.

But details matter, [ __ ]

Yeah. Yeah. Start pistol whipping. Kicking the [ __ ] out of him. They

They did not pistol whip him. THAT'S AGAIN, YOU'RE MAKING [ __ ] UP. IF YOU'RE GOING TO TALK, SPEAK INTELLIGENTLY.

I am speaking intelligently. You are not. YOU ARE MAKING [ __ ] UP.

OH, I'M SORRY. WE DIDN'T SEE THEM hitting the guy in the side of the face with a [ __ ] pistol. We didn't see that, did we?

YEAH. NO, YOU DID NOT SEE THAT.

NO, YOU DID NOT.

DON'T YOU [ __ ]

THE [ __ ] VIDEO RIGHT NOW. PUT IT. LET'S SHOW IT. LET'S GO.

I don't know. I don't think we can show it on Twitch.

Yeah, we can't show it on Twitch. I can't show it on YouTube either.

Yeah.

Uh, but there are copies of it on YouTube. So I

So so so here here's just some context here.

Yeah.

From people bot farming accounts or other people that are big enough to be able to talk to their YouTube rep and [ __ ] but like somebody like me that's like you know in the middle of the night with 30 viewers, right? I'm incredibly small YouTuber. I'm leave it alone.

>> Just ju just just so we're clear. And I've I've watched like you know I've watched every angle. Um, and my take on this, by the way, is I'm still waiting on more information before I come to a like solid opinion as to what happened.

>> Yeah, I'm in that kind of in that boat, too.

>> But, but I but I do think that there is uh enough here that uh the people who are jumping to conclusions as again always happens following one of these shootings. I think that's just irresponsible, right? So, there's there's sure there's two women involved. There's two women and then there's the uh there's Alex party and then there's the ICE officer. These are like the three kind of main parties involved.

>> Um

>> you see Alex Freddy, he walks out in the middle of the road. Um and he's video he's c he's got a video camera. You hear whistles everywhere. By the way, these whistles are I think a real problem. Um we're talking about likelihood of raising incidents of uh potential for mistake. Try to like work with like a constant blaring of whistles in your ear the whole time.

>> No, you can No, you can say [ __ ] that. But uh if I can't even [ __ ] watch the video without getting a headache, imagine being there.

>> Oh yeah. Yeah. the poor ears and the eyes.

>> Yeah. No, no. The poor the poor ears. I'm just simply saying that it is a human reality that if you have poor whistles in your ears,

>> if the whistles weren't if the whistles weren't there, there is a large possibility. There is a large possibility that the that the officer that got the gun away would have been able to say clear in between the shouting of a gun and the accidental discharge. Right. I mean, like that does make the situation more chaotic. It does make Anthony does filming everybody.

>> No, no, no. The filming the filming Stop. The filming's not Stop. Okay.

>> I'm not defending ICE here. I'm just I'm just being objective like

>> Okay.

>> The filming is not the issue. The whistles are an issue. We can fight about that in a second. I think blaring screeching noises is absolutely going to raise the likelihood of mistake. Um I I I think it's a problem. So, we have the blaring whistles and then we have a car uh that's passing and has to drive around Alex Party. And in behind the car, there's a woman with a brown leather jacket on who it's not exactly clear what she did uh to provoke the ICE officer, but she is leaning forward and the ICE officer is like his attention is fully on her and he's walking towards her. So then she starts walking back uh towards the side of the street that Alex Freddy first walked out on and um he starts walking in front to like get in between the ICE officer and the brown uh leather jacket lady. This Parker lady then runs from the other side of the car that's right parked there right in the curb. And if you're watching the video, you're seeing exactly what I'm talking about and runs essentially sort of in front of the interaction. The ICE officer reacts by shoving that woman to the ground into the snowbank. And then Alex Freddy walks over and he does put his hands on the ice officer on his shoulder and then a little bit on the front of his chest.

>> It's almost instantaneous though. He um he's

>> very shortly afterwards.

>> It's It's very shortly afterwards. Yes.

>> Um it was in direct response to this. Then the ICE officer pulls out his uh mace, starts spraying people uh that are there and then all the other, you know, officers get uh involved in down.

>> Now, this is this now this is the critical moment that I think uh Scott mentioned,

>> which is uh at for I can send the video if you guys wanted. There's like a French site that has like the uncensored version.

>> Um at 42 seconds on that video, um you hear distinctly gun. You hear somebody yell, "Gun, gun." And in direct response to that, one of the ICE officers, who's not the one who pushed the lady, by the way, or you know, got physical with Alex Freddy. You see one ICE officer almost like, it seems like almost in a panic matter, draw his gun and then you hear one gunshot and then there's a short period of time and then you hear a series of gunshots.

>> Um, here's the things that are the main thing that's unclear to me. What did that officer think at the time of uh shooting Alex Freddy? And was that first shot an accidental discharge from the uh SIG that the other officer was walking away with or was that part of the

>> 20 is like famous for it's got a problem for misfiring. It's got a Yeah, but it could have been like a defect with the gun also. That specific gun does have a problem. It also could have been an accidental discharge from the officer who was walking.

>> We Yeah, the the And it's grainy. I'll get it's really grainy, but it really looks like when the officer is walking away, he has his finger in the trigger guard of that weapon and all

>> that would be irresponsible to be clear.

>> Yeah. And I mean that it Yeah. I just think it's irrespon gun handling. I think all of those things are

>> assuming that's right.

>> Assuming and and I don't know that that happened. I I don't know that. also want to know I also I also want to know the um just like you know everything just out of curiosity sake to be more accurate about the case you know and this is kind of funny because I think this became popularized with the Cal Written House court case right is an understanding that is this cell phone footage from something that utilizes AI interpolation to try and clean up images

>> and if that is the case are we actually seeing the finger in the trigger well Were we actually seeing the discharge of that little smoke or is it or is it AI interpolation?

>> We're seeing we're seeing that with the headless ICE officer that's been making its rounds on Twitter. AI

>> I'm going to say just really quickly that um while Sigs have a have a I think undeserved um kind of legend right now about discharging in that model.

>> I got X defender. I love my model. the specific model.

>> While the P320 has, I think, an undeserved reputation right now of discharging in the holster,

>> um,

>> outside the holster, that trigger has to be depressed, for that gun to fire. There's no possible way, period, outside the holster. The trigger has to

>> There's always like a 0.001% chance.

>> Wasn't that airman killed when this gun was sitting on the table?

>> No, that was that guy murdered that guy and tried to pull it off on the thing. That that that was to that's totally been thrown out.

>> Did Did Wait, did they find that from her?

>> Yeah, that that dude's going to prison.

>> Oh, wow. Okay.

>> I mean, I mean, obviously, he's got to be convicted first, but they've got all the evidence. I think they he's confessed to it. Uh, he was trying to play it off and put it on his s here. Here's the critical There's one last thing. The critical piece of evidence that I think is we want to know when that that shot is and what the officer who pulled the trigger knew. And apparently, I just found this out just before this debate. Um, apparently there's body cam footage.

>> A lot of body cam footage

>> that has not been released yet.

>> Yeah. And they're going through it now.

>> Well, but but here's the thing, like when you actually watch the footage, right? You'll see like the officer in the gray jacket pull the pistol out and walk away. You see the agent behind him draw switch his hand like I don't know if it was like mace or pepper spray. He switches it from his right hand to his left hand. He goes to his pistol and pulls it out. And then shortly after that's where he depressed it. So he was right there

>> because he hears gun.

>> Yes. Yeah. Listen to the audio. Listen to the audio in that video.

>> Because he hears gun and pull guns when they hear gun. I'm just I mean you an idiot. Do you not understand this? How

>> the gun was already gone? The gun was already gone.

>> Did he know Did he know that?

>> He know that. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Did he Did Did he Did he know that a gun was gone? Did he think there Did he think there was a second gun? Was his vision obstructed? We don't know this. Yes. like

>> all all almost all cops, you just go interview some, they will tell you that if they find a gun, they assume a second gun.

>> They they just assume it.

>> So my question for for Lacto, I'm I didn't I didn't want to ask this before we'd spent at least a little bit of time on the question you wanted to ask me, but my

>> Yeah, go ahead. My question for you, which I I think gets to I think a lot of the core of the frustration that maybe me and Alex and Corey and Prime have is

>> let's say that you that you get to the point so you were saying when it came to what what Cash Patel was saying that you viferously disagree with this. I'm not asking for you to vote D. I'm not. And but aside from voting differently, aside from expressing on a social media platform,

>> I've been unfairly left out of the group of people that agree with this.

>> Oh, no. You know what? Yeah. Come come with Well, actually, you'll be you'll be

>> Scott doesn't agree with anybody. So,

>> other than voting differently, other than expressing Oh, I do disagree with this. What will you do now to try to push for something to change? Right? So, there's people who who who say, "Hey, it's the middle of an electoral cycle. I didn't vote for this guy in the first place, but I want to express I think this is bad, but I'm going to protest." Or there's people who say, "Oh, I'm going to boycott some company that's working with ICE." So, there's um I can't remember the name of the airline, but um boycotts were able to get them to cancel their DHS charter.

>> Um

>> there's uh one bank I think that has stopped working with them. Um Citizens Bank is another that currently being pressured to um stop lending um for ice facilities.

>> Great. Right.

>> Um, yeah. So, but like you know, voting is something that happens, you know, either midcycle or kind of main cycles. one day that you go out and vote for one person or another and you can say you can tell us hey I don't agree with this but what kind of actions would you take if you felt strongly enough that something had to be done what actions would you take today if you don't think it's a general strike if you don't think what what what would it be what actions would you take or what actions would you recommend

>> I support a complete and total um stoppage of all federal funds to Minnesota immediately Okay. So, so you want you want the government to crack down. Okay, that's great.

>> So, for for me, if you're ask Yeah. If you're asking like I'm NOT GOING TO GET

>> I got a glee.

>> I'm not going to I'm not going to give you a very satisfactory answer here. Um, if you're asking me to like be other than expressing my opinion and voting, which is the vast majority of political involvement that I have,

>> what is thy practice, sir? in the fir in the first place like I'm not going

>> give me thine practice or you shall be

>> or you shall be castigated on the seas OF HYPOCRISY CASTIGATED

>> the most the most I did in terms of like actual like physical practice I suppose is what you're referring to is when I thought the stakes were extraordinarily high at the 2024 election. Um, other than those specific scenarios, you're probably not going to be able to motivate me to boycott or go out in the middle of winter and protest. I mean, just

>> so if you if you think that what the federal government is doing wrong, let's say, put yourself in the mind state of somebody else who believes that, you know, trying to punish a state that doesn't support you and is defying you and trying to cut off federal funds and send goons to attack people on the street. Let's say you thought that that was wrong and that was like a fascist play. Your only response would be stating for the record that you disagree with it and then voting maybe for somebody different, maybe for the some the same people in four years, depending on where that weighs.

>> I I again I even though I disagree with it, I think uh fascist goons is is a step too far. I think there's probably a level that you believe this is at that I don't agree with. I think that uh and I think also and you know lefties talk about this all the time when they're trying to justify the fact they buy designer clothes or computers. Um, you know you can only do so much and my energy

>> don't call them fascist goons. You have to match the energy of the article Prime Sus that was totally not biased that said Donald Trump's paramilitary forces.

>> Yeah.

>> Gestapo. They should have wrote Gestapo Gustapo. Yeah. I just think it's funny that when they're Trump's ICE agents, they're paramilitary forces, but when they're Obama or somebody else's, then they're just

>> if if I if I had infinite time and I could

>> I just thought it was funny. It was like, dude,

>> and I could and I could balance my full-time job and uh all the social media important [ __ ] that I do, of course, as well as all my other pressing family and personal needs. If I could balance that with also the political activism that I think is important in combating what I see as a problem, for office and also uh making the time to like uh uh go to a specific ICE protest in which I didn't feel like I was supporting people that I thought were terrible, but also making it clear that I thought ICE was like kind of going too far. Maybe I would do that.

>> It could be super nuanced. It could be like I support ICE generally, but these particular actions go beyond the scope of what I believe.

>> Can I put that on if I if I put that on a sign? If I put that on a sign Yeah. Yeah. If I put that whole thing on a sign and I were to go to one of these protests where I said I I support ICE, but generally I think they're going a little bit too far. What would happen to me?

>> You'd be welcome.

>> I mean, you might get peppers. I mean,

>> I MIGHT GET PEPPERS.

>> YEAH. YEAH.

>> Cuz you don't think How [ __ ] dare you? How [ __ ] dare you? Do you know what Lactoid has done for this country? When he goes to Starbucks, he always orders his drinks with no ice. I pledge he's being the change you want to see in the world.

>> Hot drinks only. Look so I'm not calling I'm not

>> No, he got a cold brew coffee with no ice. Do you know how brutal that is?

>> No, I'm I'm I'm going to tell you what would happen to me suck. What would happen to me is I'd get put on one of these signal groups uh that's currently happening in Minnesota in Minneapolis. um in which like very specifically like a doxing and harassment campaign that these people have white networks about and are currently targeting not just ICE agents but media figures that are perceived as being supportive of ICE agents

>> or just random white people that are driving an SUV that they

>> random white people. Yeah. So, so then my so then my follow-up question is if you and I mean you know Scott grid feel feel free to put yourself on one side of this fence or another. If your advice to us who feel that this is going too far is do nothing, don't general strike, maybe tweet once that you think this is wrong and then in vote in four years maybe vote for somebody else or don't. something.

>> Twice.

>> Why should we take any of this seriously? Twice. Okay. Wait. Okay. Once on X and once on blue sky.

>> Okay.

>> That's See, if you're on Blue Sky, I can't ally with you. Like, that's the problem. I

>> So, so my So, my question is, do you do you understand why

>> we don't really kind of like take this seriously?

>> Wait, here's why.

>> Does that make sense? I

>> I had the same opinion, just to be clear. Like I I've I've actually had kind of a similar a little bit different but a similar conversation of people around the time just before January 6th of

>> oh you expect us to just vote

>> and to make our voices heard we have to do something more.

>> Um if something more is

>> glowy tense something this maybe if something like if something more is what Minnesota and specifically Minneapolis has historically thought of as more. Abso fuckingutely not. They should not do anything more because their definition of more has consistently been burning down the city.

>> So, so I will I will tell you why my um I don't expect you to take me seriously in this. Genuinely,

>> I always take you seriously.

>> Right. Right. And um Right. Like there's

>> I think you look great, by the way. I don't know why people are talking [ __ ] about your weight. That's

>> just people just

>> I've lost a little weight, but mostly I've I've figured out what my triggers are and I'm doing a little better. um a lot more energy.

>> Oh, I appreciate it. But um I don't expect you to take me seriously on this, right? Because my advice to you or to any other lefty, right? um is that if you are of the individual that can eventually become an ANCAP that I'm preaching to you and if you aren't then I don't care because I am of the opinion that the US dollar is heading towards an inevitable collapse because it is based upon the US pro dollar and that we no longer have that agreement with OPEC plus and that we are $37 trillion in debt and my job is to go onto these panels and do what liquid what Zulu calls Isaiah's job, which is to preach to the remnant. I am not here to speak to leftists and give them advice on how they can fight ICE because I don't think that they actually meaningfully give a [ __ ] about ICE. They only care about it from an emotional uh knee-jerk reaction in the moment because the media is preaching that that's the right thing to do. And I think that most leftists are not actually um real in any way, shape, or form in or actually con have any of these convictions because the overwhelming majority of them didn't give a [ __ ] up until the moment that the media and the corporations started telling them. But there are some that do care and do have those principles. And if and of those people, if they are willing to listen to the correct philosophy of capitalism and private property rights, when this whole [ __ ] thing crashes and burns and we have to rebuild the system because of an inevitable collapse of the dollar and all of these problems, then hopefully there will be enough people with with true philosophical consistency that when we rebuild America, we rebuild something off of libertarian principles and don't make the mistakes of our forefathers and going towards socialism. It's not the third time. I never mentioned Isaiah's job on the stream earlier today.

>> That part's new. That that singular

>> I'm preaching to the women. But real quick, I just want to answer

>> that scene from Fury, right? It's like you you had you had you had the fi the six questions and I'll answer them

>> briefly.

>> Number one, genetically resurrect Adam Smith. Okay. What are you

>> number one? Number one, um, no, the Constitution does not protect your First Amendment rights in any way, shape, or form. It's a piece of paper and the government has proven over and over again that they'll wipe their ass with it. It only is a stoppage to the ever growing increasing authoritarianism of the state. Number two, the answer is exactly the same as before. Um, you know, if if gun organizations and things actually gave a [ __ ] right? You would see the NRA or other guns rights organizations fighting viciferously for black people in inner city Chicago that had their gun rights violated, but they don't actually give a [ __ ] about gun rights. They give a [ __ ] about uh white conservative people writing them checks, right? You know what I mean, right? Uh, number three, uh, the question was um

>> should he be treated as a terrorist? Um I uh I I believe that socialists in many fa uh are are outlaws, but he's in no way, shape or form a terrorist because the actions that he committed was engaging in a bar fight that the uh Border Patrol agents started um with their completely insane actions of following that woman across the street. That is the biggest point of contention for me is that she did back up regardless of whatever occurred. Um, and she did remove herself from the interaction. She was no longer interfering until they followed her and then they pushed her again. Maybe they didn't push her that hard and she just happened to step back and slip on the ice from the conditions, but nevertheless, they followed her and then assaulted her when there was no reason to do that whatsoever. And so when he stepped in, he was stepping in as you know and uh, you know, as as we have this fantasy that men would do right up until up until 20 years ago every man and you know until the Andrew Tates of the world came around would say that this is what a man does is steps in between another man that is abusing a woman and that's what patriarchy looks like. Right. Alec is a great example of why patriarchy is a good thing and and he engaged in that. Um, and and that and and the unfortunate circumstances that follow between that um is certainly not the actions of a terrorist. Um, though the BP border patrol agents are obviously terrorists. They are the domestic terrorists and they should be defined that way. Um, number four, does it make sense to detain indigenous Americans? Uh, where should they be sent back to? Um, I don't know what your point of this question was, but like no, unless they do something worthy of being detained. It's a weird question. I don't get it.

>> So my so my Yeah. So there

>> unless you mean specifically do BPD or do ICE have the right from a legal perspective to be the ones detaining as opposed to calling the cops? Is that what you're asking?

>> Sure. I I think it's mostly highlighting the hypocrisy. I think there were there are at least five indigenous Americans who were detained by ICE who were citiz ICE or DHS and were detained and held and this rallying cry of send them back to where they where they came from because they looked

>> Latino, they look brown.

>> I I heard reports send them back to Yeah. Yeah. I I've heard reports, I don't know if it's true, that like one was involved in like in a dispute at a Walmart where they were trying to get one guy and the other guy like, you know, was uppidity or whatever. So, they like

>> threw him in the van and then dropped him off at a Target 8 miles away. And I was like, if true. I was like, if true. [ __ ] wild. No, I know it's a different story. I just mean like uh, but but again, yeah, no, they're domestic. They're they're the terrorists, not indigenous Americans that happen to be at a [ __ ] protest. Um, five. Is there any line that the ICE DHS should not cross? Uh, yes. The the line that they've crossed is existing. Um, they should not exist. Um, at the point that they've killed more Americans in the first month of the year than undocumented immigrants, are they a problem? Um, same as number five. Um, and then I just want to add a little thing. We get a little weird in the libertarianism. Just a little weird. Um, practically it's almost impossible to enforce, but from from if ICE had a right to self-defense, which they do not have a right to self-defense, but if ICE had a right to self-defense, then there could absolutely be an argument that certain whistles are actually [ __ ] loud enough to cause problems and it is an act of aggression. Rather, you can't aggress upon an ICE agent because their job is literally to kidnap and traffic human beings. So, like whatever you do to them isn't isn't like isn't unethical as far as the NAP is concerned. But if they had the right to self-defense,

>> really loud whistles are a [ __ ] problem. And like

>> there's nothing we can do legally about it. But like if your boy is bringing a loud whistle, will you [ __ ] stop that, please? It's annoying with a whistle.

>> Only a good guy with a whistle can save us from a bad guy with a whistle. Every time Every time Scott says

>> literally every time Scott says they're a gang that traffic humans, it's just I mean he's got you've had to say it like six times in my presence and I think it's [ __ ] hilarious uh every single time he says it.

>> I don't think it's funny that they're grabbing people off the street and sending them to other states against judge's orders.

>> I would agree with that.

>> Can I can I say one thing real quick? uh like indigenous Americans or like Native Americans or whatever, they don't have more of a claim of citizenship than

>> I think there's more irony in saying, "Hey, we're going to send you back to where you came from. You're a foreigner."

>> Yeah. If they know if they know if they if they know their citizenship because citizenship is of a country that they didn't want to, you know, create in the first place, right? And

>> I mean none of them [ __ ] existed, you know, when that was a thing, right? Like

>> do do not do not have baby and explain what the nap we don't have for

>> Yeah. What the [ __ ] is this super chat? What

>> D? Why the [ __ ] did you go to his channel and donate him money? Like what what are you doing?

>> That's one of my viewers. He wants you to genius. Thank you, D. Right, because he's so smart and beautiful and handsome. Um, but yeah,

>> D's already back in my chat. Thank you for the kindness trail. Um,

>> troublemaker.

>> But yeah, it's really I don't need to give a 30-minute explanation. It's the initiation of force. That's it.

>> Okay.

>> Great.

>> It's a person or justly acquired property if you want to like really get technical. That's it.

>> Just a just a note because you're talking about ICE dropping people off. This is something I found out about just uh I think today. Um, I've been busy and sleepd deprived. So, I think it's I think it was today. Um, that they've apparently been um sometimes when they drop people off that they've detained, they drop them off like without a jacket or a cell phone or ID in like a remote area that they could potentially it's like minus 35 with windchill right now in Minneapolis. And so there's volunteers who are coming out to

>> Yeah, I mean that

>> get people to safety.

>> Yeah. I mean that pales in comparison to kidnapping people and then sending them to third world countries that they fled.

>> Just just another thing that they're doing that

>> but that is that is kidnapping and trafficking just on a lower scale.

>> That's another thing that JD Vance would do and then uh Lagtoid wouldn't disabel. Um, but anyway uh thank you all. I do appreciate you. I I want to really respect your time. Um, this was a great conversation. Um, we were all uh over the place there. We even had time to go over the nap, right, and have arguments. We had everything here. Honestly, the nap the nap is the thing that I do too much and it's why I'm fat. I want to make sure that Cory's questions are answered. All right,

>> apps. Start running for more questions. Okay,

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>> Um, thank you.

>> Be careful with the running, man. your knees.

>> Uh, yeah, that's something to be worried about. Um, thank you for

>> running man or what was it?

>> Who used his movie The Running Man.

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>> right, you didn't have to even mute anybody to defend yourself.

>> Exactly. Right. That's the only way I can. Um, I have an advantage and I'll press it every time. Um,

>> get that monopoly on force, buddy.

>> That's right.

>> You guys believe in private property. We're engaged in a voluntary dream.

>> Yeah.

>> Does anybody not believe in force doctrine now?

>> I don't know what force

>> I'm not sure what that is, but

>> that's Andrewwell.

>> You'll have to pay me $5 to hear about

>> But but yeah, sorry. I I'm just uh uh I'm not aware of that. Um, but anyway, uh, thank you all. Um, I'm going to give an outro to all our wonderful individuals. Um, starting with our good friend who once again I'm giving our time, our good friend Lactoy.

>> So I'm channeling uh the spirit of JD Vance right now. Uh, truly our savior, lord and savior before I give this outro. Um, I'm Lacto. You can find me at Lactoy TV. Um, my my take generally uh strikes bad, unions bad. I agree with basically everything the anti-UN side said. Um, boo unions as to the particular incident. Um, I once again my criticism is not that it's clearly justified. Um, my criticism is that consistently, whether it be with Mike Brown, to Kyle Writtenhouse, even to Renee Good, uh, consistently the first statement that is put out by major social media figures and recently some of the like more, you know, a little bit more avail statements put out by politicians, including Tim Walls, um,

>> and our very are very what? and Christine Nome, right?

>> Sure. Sure. And Christine Gnome. Yes. Um, but I think specifically I'm focusing on the Democrat ones here because these statements I believe are the kind that are going to potentially lead to riots, which is a well-known pastime for the people in Minneapolis for some [ __ ] reason. Uh, why does this always [ __ ] happen here? Every [ __ ] time it's [ __ ] here. Um, and yeah, I I just think that the responsible thing to do would be to uh wait and say, "Oh, there's some questions here that we don't know the answer to." I think already there's uh some questions that are coming up, which is, you know, is calling this murder really accurate? Um, probably not. Uh, because in order for it to be murder, you would have to assume that the ICE officer knew that there was no threat and decided to shoot the guy or didn't reasonably know there was no threat and decided to shoot the guy anyway. That seems to be somewhat unlikely based on the footage. Um, there's a whole bunch of things that we just don't know yet. And I think it's important to uh do the responsible thing and and not just call uh ICE murderers um and uh demand um mass action, which I mean by some of the definitions, including the Colorado Appeals Court, uh would potentially be insurrection, right? Uh, let's not forget all the definitions of insurrection that were flying around the time of January 6th, including some legal definitions, including some definitions presented by some people in our very space. Under these definitions, what these protesters are doing would technically fall under insurrection. And I wouldn't want you guys to be insurrecting now, would I? Um, so,

>> uh,

>> is that an active verb now?

>> Insurrecting.

>> That is that is

>> I was just going to let that roll.

>> I mean, I don't know. [ __ ] the lawyer vocab always wins.

>> Insurrecting.

>> Yeah. I I I I'll just say this and you don't have to respond or anything, but just that you know the I think it's fair what our the push back our friend Lacto is giving us and that like you know like what is the actual definition of murder? He knows that. What is the actual definition of manslaughter? He knows that but we can acknowledge that the public doesn't know that. And so when they just say murder, right? They're just saying an unlawful killing. Um, but yeah, so we'll leave it there. Um, but thank you so much, friend. Um, let's go to uh Scott. Uh, yeah, I remain unconvinced by any of the arguments here. Uh, because I am always right. Even in the past when I was wrong, I was right then because I was a position of evolving into my ultimate form of rightness. Um, yeah, [ __ ] ICE. Um, I also don't have suicidal empathy for like protesting socialists that their only reason to dislike ICE is because the media has told them how bad it is, but in reality they could give a [ __ ] about the tragedies of the world. They really just know that they want to be on the quote unquote right side of history. And part of being on the right side of history is bleeding the middle class to death with everinccreased welfare and socialism that is tearing the country apart. Um, in terms of Alec um um pretty, you know, I think his is it Alex or Alec? I thought it was Alec, but people keep saying Alex. Um,

>> it's Alex. Alex pretty.

>> Okay. Like like like uh like Russian Polish or something.

>> P R E T I.

>> No, I got the pretty part. Anyways, never mind. Doesn't matter. Alex, are you really asking me if Alex is Polish? I don't [ __ ] know.

>> Yeah, I don't [ __ ] know either. Anyways, um I had a weird look to him. I don't know what to tell you. Um

>> regardless, I do think in his in his in his actions in that moment, I think they were, as so far as we can tell right now, both heroic and kind of stupid, right? And I think we can all acknowledge that it is like probably a good thing to step in between jack booted thugs, you know, uh, abusing a woman that was completely unnecessary and also really [ __ ] dumb to do that, right? Like I mean, like it's it's uh something's wrong with your self-preservation instinct if you're like stepping in between in a situation like that. Um, but you know, nevertheless, you know, seemed like all in all probably a good guy for that. um even if his politics were one of you know my enemy. Um, and then lastly, I'll just answer your question, Grid. Does anyone here not believe in force doctrine? Yeah, I've never believed in force doctrine. I've always thought it was silly. Um, because I do believe that rights are something that are can be objectively seen um through logic and that they do exist. And you know when Andrew Wilson was first you know kind of experimenting with this argument of um, you know, force doctrine in debates I told him something that he you know sometimes says now which is uh, you know, might doesn't make right but it does make reality, which is contradictory to his force doctrine thing and he kind of says them both which is also kind of contradictory to the concept that God has commandments and thus God is telling you thou shalt not murder thou shalt not steal. So, it's like it's like three fun contradictions in his philosophy that I think he just kind of picks and chooses based upon the debate he has because he's talking to socialists that are don't have any consistency anyways. So, it's kind of easy to do. Um, but yeah, no, obviously I don't agree, you know, any any libertarian worth their salt wouldn't agree with force doctrine that that rights and laws are things we just arbitrarily made up and are then imposed by those with power. Um, no, I think they're they can be objectively discovered through logic, um, through argumentation, ethics, starting all the way from existence exists. Um, but that doesn't but that doesn't change the reality that like power matters and

>> you can talk about your rights all you want, but you know, at the other end of a gun,

>> yeah, he did.

>> So, yeah. So, I'll answer I'll answer that question on force doctrine. Uh, it was fun. Find me on uh Fabian Liberty. Just Google Fabian Liberty, you'll find me. I do like that um uh that line you have, you know, my doesn't make right but does make reality. I've heard you say it before. Did you come up with that on a friend?

>> I think he was quoting Andrew or maybe

>> No, no, no. I Andrew Wilson has said similar things and Jim Bob has said similar things after debates with me.

>> Sure, but he doesn't have a trademark cuz that's that's not real. He doesn't have a trade.

>> Yeah, use it. It's a good line. Use it. just don't use it in conjunction with contradictory nonsense like force doctrine or or you know, or believing in the Christian faith.

>> Uh, so I was just wondering did you did you come up with that? If I want to give you credit if I feel like it because I don't have no I came up I mean anybody credit for anything the idea originated in my head. It's probably parallel thinking. I highly doubt that someone hasn't said something that cheeky as long as the [ __ ] English language has been around. You know what I mean? I've always heard that Mike uh might might not always make right, but Mike um might does make.

>> Yeah, might makes.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> That's what I've heard.

>> And I've heard something similar to that before in the past and I just changed it to Mike doesn't make. Right. Might makes reality.

>> Okay. Um, there's no IP so I created that. That's my thing. Um

>> well, that would be fraud. Lying about being the creator of something would be fraugh, right?

>> Fair. Yeah. Uh, let's go to our friend Corey.

>> Uh, yeah, as always, uh, an interesting and entertaining uh conversation. Uh, you can find me on Twitch, Cory Camel4. Uh, Twitter, X, YouTube, Instagram, Tik Tok, Substack, uh, is Cory Campbell. Uh, and like yeah, still think uh on average unions are largely good. Although I don't think every union is good. I'm still sort of uh go back and forth on teacher unions and all that stuff. Um, but yeah, and one last thing maybe to correct the record or rather uh, so going back like 2 hours now, but I think it's important to say uh where I think Lactoid looked up the wrong information about quinoa and he used cooked quinoa as opposed to uncooked or raw where the uncooked raw

>> bowls of of uncooked quinoa, you [ __ ] psycho.

>> Absolutely.

>> Savage.

>> I I cuz I knew my memory was not that fault where four grams per 100 grams. It totally seems

>> I concede completely that it is absolutely your honest opinion that it is not that it is absolutely as easier to get [ __ ] plant-based protein because to you you'll just straight wolf down raw quinoa

>> no I never said I said raw or soaked 14 grams per 100 gram as in about 14

>> which is less than half of that of chicken correct

>> uh depending on if you talk about chicken breast or chicken thigh but

>> chicken breast

>> uh, 100 gram of chicken breast is around 20 gram of protein.

>> Oh, it's more than 30.

>> Uh, yeah, it could be more than 30. I haven't looked.

>> It's the most protein dense thing there is other than like parmesan cheese. But if you eat a brick of parmesan cheese, I got news for you. You need to help

>> or raw quinoa.

>> I'm I'm sorry that I uh spread misinformation by referring to cooked quinoa instead of raw. My bad.

>> Yeah, dude. Why would you assume he cooked his food? Yeah. No, because f what see this I would say demonstrates your ignorance. You can eat as in you can put it in salad. This is one of the most common ways to eat quinoa is to soak it overnight and then eat it just like lentils.

>> No, I'm fat. I'm putting a bunch of butter on it like

>> you know what I mean. Then it tastes good,

>> but I'm allergic to a a great philosopher once says more butter more better. All right. True. Very wise. especially as a father.

>> Let's go to our our friend Grid. Grid, thanks for joining us and uh giving your opinions.

>> Yeah. Yeah. It's been a it's been an interesting uh evening. I I don't really I don't really want to tread back over all the ground that we've already tread over. Uh, I will just simply say that force doctrine has been defined by a lot of different people throughout history, including Thomas Quinus, uh, the Chinese philosopher. Hey, or he or however you pronounce his weird ass name. Um,

>> dude, your wife is Chinese. You better know how to pronounce that.

>> Sorry.

>> Said, "Your wife is Chinese. You better know how to pronounce that."

>> I could go ask her.

>> Been married for a decade. You don't even know how to pronounce some some names. No [ __ ] somebody get this man Duolingo and save his marriage.

>> No, no, I don't. No, there. No, that. Anyway, um I just think that it's a very interesting uh I think it's a very interesting um position that uh that some people take regarding the force and use of force. Um, and I'm always willing to discuss it. It's very interesting to me the uh um the leaps that we are going through to um the the leaps twist buying you know all of the nonsense um to either justify or to villainize the the ICE agents. Do I think that they're 100% in the right? Absolutely not. I think there's a lot of procedural problems in what the I um and I don't even think they were ICE agents. I think they were actually border patrol acting with ICE. Um,

>> and so, uh, I think there's a lot of problems with the way they, uh, handled the situation. Um, but, uh, from a legal viewpoint, I think they I'm until I see something, and I'm, you know, I'm well aware that new evidence is coming out. We haven't even seen the body cam footage, we haven't, you know, there's there's so much we don't know. So, I'm perfectly willing to change my position on this uh later, but as it stands right now, it looks like it will be a legal um the guy had legally shot um so it is not murder. Um, and uh it's and I you know I carry a gun [ __ ] everywhere. I have a gun on me now. I'd show you, but we're on YouTube. Um, and there's there's guns there. There's guns everywhere. But the one thing I don't do when I'm carrying a gun is interact in any [ __ ] way with law enforcement. Cops don't like people with guns. They just don't.

And they're and and you are going, you are not going. Yeah, they hate the competition. And uh, and the interesting, I mean, so when when we talk about Writtenhauser, the, you notice that the pictures of him, the video of him walking towards the police, he's got his hands up. He's yelling, "Hey, I'm armed. Don't shoot me." You know, all of that because he knows, because he's not a [ __ ] idiot, that some cop will look at that and be get, you know, get um bent and uh want to take a shot at him. I've had an officer point their gun at me. It doesn't feel good. You, you should always be exceptionally careful when dealing with law enforcement because they can shoot you. And they, and even if they, even if they're proven, even if they have to go to jail, that does you no [ __ ] good if you're dead.

Um, so while I certainly admire, uh, that young man's, um, uh, coonus, uh, of inter, inter, uh, acting with the, um, law enforcement, I think it was ill-advised and it could have been deescalated at several points. It just wasn't. Um, and other than that, I don't really have a whole lot more to say about it. I, until I see more evidence. Um, I think that there's so many, you know, so many people have. I mean, we, we, we heard, um, Alex tonight make se, several incorrect comments. Um, because, because honestly, things are still evolving, right? Still things we don't know. And, uh, I, and I'm not willing to, unless I've actually seen it, I'm not willing to talk about it. I don't know that the gun fired, right? I don't know that. I've heard people say it. I've heard people explain to me how it all looks. I don't know that there was a gunshot. I don't know where that gunshot came from, the first one. And until we know that, I'm unwilling to commit to any specific thing other than as it appears right now, this is a legal but very messy and very problematic, um, shooting. So that's it.

Thanks so much. Okay. Um, let's go to our friend Alex. Alex, thank you for joining us, um, and coming in. We haven't had you here in, believes in a long time, or I don't know for, very long time. Very, very long time. So, uh, so first things first, uh, Prime, thank you so much for having me, and I want to thank the panel. It's been a very interesting grid. It's always fun button heads with you. Even if we don't agree, it's always fun button heads with you. It's all in good fun. So, but, sorry, I muted myself. I like, I mean, I don't have anything personally against you. No, I, no, no, no, no. I, I don't take it personally. Certainly. Don't take anything that I say personally. No, no, no. Of course not. No, no, no. I, it's all in good fun. But anyway, um, so kind of going back to like everything we talked about, I'm not going to talk about, you know, cooking with Prime case, that was an absolute insanity, like talking about quinoa and lentils for like that was crazy. But anyway, um, when it comes down to the topic of like, you know, workers' rights and things like that, it's very, very important that we have these conversations because workers' rights are very essential. If you don't take care of your workers, you don't pay them a good wage, you know, it wasn't Bernie Sanders that said that. It was actually the Roosevelt talks about like how you have to take care of your workers, making sure that they have good adequate healthcare coverage. Um, so that's number one thing.

Which commie was a? It was Theodore Roosevelt. That commie. Got it. Yeah, he's not a commie. But anyway, um, so last bit. So anyway, I love Scott. I, I gotta be honest. I, I really want to dislike Scott sometimes, but you just can't. But anyway, anyway, kind of going back into it. So, um, even though I'm sure Scott has good intentions, he's living off in [ __ ] La La Land, you know, Ancap, oh, [ __ ] sunshine and rainbows, when the world collapses, we're going to rebuild it after I roll out of [ __ ] bed and eat my butter and steak and [ __ ] like that, you know. It's all [ __ ] fine and dandy, you know.

Cuz, you know, he's he's definitely going to rebuild the world with his little. I think it's going to look like that background possibly. I don't know. Um, it's possible. But until then, I can't actually take seriously into a hypothetical scenario that does not exist because he couldn't even answer what healthcare system has complete free market systems because they don't [ __ ] exist. Because we are the only country out here that actually has mixed market and where people say private insurance or private healthcare is better, even though every other first world nation across the world proves it. Anyway, fine. Okay. So, but every other first world nation seems to have that figured out, but we can't seem to figure it out. It's because we're [ __ ] idiots, honestly, because our country is filled with morons. We can't get out of our own way. So, it's going to stay that way. We're going to remain to be the most unhealthy nation. We're going to remain to be the healthcare, uh, where healthcare is the wor of any first world nation.

Uh, when it comes down to the, uh, the killing, you know, of what happened, uh, the killing of, uh, you know, Alex, I'll put it to like this. It's incredible how a guy like Alex Freddy, him and I have the same frame. It takes six to eight guys to take him down when you can literally see bouncers at a bar manage to handle people the same size with no issue and people don't end up dead that way. But yet a bunch of, you know, idiots, a bunch of mongrels, basically can't seem to figure out how to tackle. They can't seem to tangle on how to hold somebody together without killing somebody. And the thing is, there is a track record of law enforcement doing these things, and then they just kind of get off scot-free because of things like qualified immunity. But DHS has absolute immunity given by Steven Miller and JD Vance, which is dangerous. You don't want to give any law enforcement absolute complete immunity. Why? Because that basically means they can do things that are against the law, which they are already doing things that are against the law. They're racially profiling people against the law. Goes against, and they're also entering door to door into people's houses. Can't do that. You can't without a warrant, essentially. But they're already breaking the law. But why not? We're living in the times of Donald J. Trump, which anything can happen as long as he says is perfectly fine and acceptable. And I could talk about this all day, but I'm going to yield the rest of my time. Thank you so much, Prime, for this great evening.

Um, absolutely. Okay, two things. One, um, I'm going to as well. I'm going to, I'm going to steal ice mongrels, right? That's going to be a new thing of mine. Thank you. I'm going to steal ice, right? Because the next time I want to, uh, uh, disparage, disregard, ignore our friend Scott, I'm going to be like, "What the [ __ ] is he going to do with this this butter and his beef just profile?" Just to be clear, they can't. Nobody can raise profile. Kavanagh stops, right? Ice, ice, cancel, profile. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They're all loud, unfortunately. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, uh, those against the law, but okay. Um, no, it's not. Yeah. The law said the Obama administration won that court case. Yeah. They can racially profile even off-duty police officers. That's fantastic. I'm so glad that we live in a country right now where, you know, maybe because, yeah. Well, yeah. Guess what? Maybe every single Christian, because they commit the most sexual assault, we should just profile all Christians as pedophiles, right? I mean, that seems to be the standard.

Do they? Well, most Christians. Do you really want to get into that game? Because we could start talking about profiling gay people. Do you think we should profile gay people for being child molesters since they have a higher rate of it? We're on Twitch. We're on Twitch. Okay. The Christian stuff. Yes. But not the gays. Oh, I'm sorry. We can attack whites and we can attack the Christians. We got to be careful about attacking the protected people from the from logic. Right. We don't want, we don't want the gays or the blacks or any of those people to engage in logic, man. That'd be scary. Twitch don't like that. Filing the cousin [ __ ] to talk about that. We talking about the Muslims or the Alabama people cuz I think the, I think the rates are higher in the Muslim community.

Roll, uh, Socrates, thank you for, uh, coming through. Uh, you are always entertaining. I love to, uh, see how you argue. I love the angles you come from. Um, uh, you're really fun to engage with all the time. So thanks for being here, friend. Thank you so much, Prime. Really appreciate, uh, you making time for this, this panel, this very important topic. Um, I mean, don't, don't let anybody shake what you're seeing with your own two eyes, right? We're talking about policy. Nixon wanted to make his main policy universal healthcare. He wanted that to be his flagship policy. Didn't end up going forward, but that's what he wanted to push for. Reagan was talking about how we need to have a path to citizen, citizenship. George W. Bush was talking about how we need to have respect for immigrants, even undocumented immigrants in our nation. So these kind of lashing out from this administration, this regime, it's not a sign of strength, it's a sign of weakness. They're trying to distance from what they're doing with respect to blowing up the deficit, giving all their money away to the donors, trying to distract from the Epstein files. That's what all these news cycles are for. He said that he was going to attack the enemy within, which includes leftists, anybody who didn't vote for him. Blue cities, blue cities like Minneapolis, like Boston, like New York City, like Detroit. Places that are shining examples of communities that are diverse, that live together, that are economic centers, that show as a, a demonstrable proof that we don't have to be afraid of people who look different, of people who sound different. Um, it can be scary times right now. Make sure to spend some time with community, not just with scary stuff on social media or people who are going to tell you that nothing you can do can be worthwhile. Minneapolis is standing together and they're striking and they're chanting and they're doing community aid. You can help them out. Standwithminnesota.com. You can find a lot of ways to help them and most importantly to learn from them because if you're in a blue city, a blue state, ICE is going to be coming for you. Not to spread fear or anything like that, but they've stated that they want to come after everybody. Um, in, in my city, we're finding out that they're getting a lot more, uh, cars, vehicles delivered, so they can start doing a lot more raids. And it's 100% true that the people who are standing up now are largely people who are not standing up when Obama's ICE was deporting a record number of immigrants who are black and brown, but they weren't attacking citizens. They weren't attacking white people. Um, it's true. These are all things that have been going on outside of the nation and within the nation to people who look different. And now that it's when it was Renee Good, there were a lot of people who were saying, "Okay, but she's a woman, she's a lesbian, couldn't happen to me." And then they see with Alex Prey, oh [ __ ] he's a nurse. He works at the VA. He spends every day helping veterans. He's a man. He's a guy who is carrying a concealed carry with a permit. That could be me. And we see now a more than 50% of people who have an opinion saying that they want to abolish ICE. Uh, we have the administration, the regime saying, um, lock jabino, we're actually getting rid of you. Um, we see Christine Nome backtracking on the statements about Freddy being a terrorist and saying, "Okay, actually, we maybe these weren't so great. We're going to look into these things." So, all of their bravado, all of their threats, all of their violence, these are the reactions of a very weak administration. They have a lot of power, but they have a lot of instability. And don't make it easy for them. Even if they're not following the law, make them break the law more and more explicitly because that shows a lot more people how nakedly they want to push for total authoritarian control. And the truth is that we can fight back and there's hell of a lot more of us than there are of them. Um, find people in your community, talk to 15 of your neighbors and you'll be ready when ICE comes. So, thank you so much.

Thanks so much. Um, and we didn't really get to talk about it here. Um, but it's been talked about plenty of times when we, when we bring up immigration. But one day I do want to like tackle the Obama, uh, situation like more forcefully, right? Um, like, I mean, you know what timing I'm on. [ __ ] Obama, right? Um, uh, there's just been a lot of talk about that in terms of like, you know, conservatives and like liberal hypocrisy and there's always plenty of liberal hypocrisy, but I do want to tackle that head on at some point in time. Anyway, we'll leave it there. Um, thanks so much everyone. I, I am going to, uh, raid out to a woman. Um, her tags are girl, English, bindom, mommy. Oh god. Boobas and English. Uh, double English twice. It's twice. It's twice actually. Yeah, I actually noticed that twice. Um, but yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna give her a try. Um, it's crazy that like we, we have like explicit [ __ ] on the internet that are celebrated. That's so crazy. Um, but okay, this is the second time. This is the second time I just tried it. Um, that a, uh, a channel won't let me raid them. Um, I think they got protections. I got like maybe. Yeah, some people can make it to where they can't be raided. Mhm. Yeah. Okay. All right. If you're fandom channel, like that's probably a good idea. Uh, okay. We're going to try another one. Um, one of her tags is Egirl and another one is feet. All right, let's see if this one works. One, one feet or two, two feet? Uh, feet, f, one, one, one month. Um, okay, it looks like it can go through. So we're just waiting for that to happen. But thanks everyone, uh, for coming through. This was a lot of fun. Uh, we'll be back and we do do more of this. And off you go. All right. Well, there you go. Thanks everyone.

I was just curious, Socrates, are you able to name one person? Cuz you said many people were saying that because Renee Good was a woman and a lesbian, it couldn't be me. Are you able to identify just one person? No, I, I wasn't saying like literally people were saying that. I'm saying in terms of the number of people that have come out in response to the killing of Alex Prey relative to the killing of of Renee Good. Yeah, fair enough. I mean, it's just, it's a claim that I was just like, that's sane claim. Because you said it right. Like, I mean, you mean it like, um, I'm struggling to find the right word. It's been a long night. Um, literally or, I feel, I feel you. Figuratively, I guess, I guess figuratively would be close to it, but that's not quite, not metaphor. There's a word I'm searching for that that isn't any of those and I've forgotten it. Um, as like, as like a, as like a direct statement versus, yeah, like, uh, because I'm just like, that's a wild claim to make that a whole bunch of people were like, "Well, it's not going to happen to me cuz she's a lesbian and a woman." I was like, "Who the [ __ ] said that?" Yeah. I, I, I don't, I don't buy that. But no, that's a, that's more of like a, a, a general statement as an, like maybe people were thinking this. I don't know. I'm not saying that there were millions of people on TV saying, "She's a lesbian. Couldn't be me." Yeah, fair enough. I'm sure there's a few. I'm sure there's a few Nazis that have that opinion, but I don't think anybody on the right would think even even think that thought. Mhm. I think like, like there's definitely some identity you, like the right-wing full-blown like NASBO identity politic, you know, right-wing socialist types might think that, but I mean, I mean, there were people. I'm trying to think like, um, my brain is is generally fried, but there, but there definitely were, um, there definitely. I'm trying to think of like news, news anchors or whatever, but there's I definitely have seen comments that it's like, oh, well, she was like a, a lesbian. She's like a leftist. She's like, she's a, she's a bad person because she's a lesbian or she's some bro. No, you, you, you find that person and I'll find you a [ __ ] I'll find you a goddamn fascist. Right. Can we, can we like just real quick, real quick, as a libertarian that is right-wing, right? Um, I hate how much the term fascist has been watered down by the left over the last 20 years, right? Where everything is fascist. Right-wing. That means that you support like the state or the king. No. No. Or you mean like, uh, small? I mean, I mean like, I mean like when I say right-wing, I don't mean like I sit on the right side of parliament in support of the monarchy, right? Like I don't think anybody means it that way. I, I mean like, um, I believe in order-based politics. I believe in like, uh, you know, the cor, like human theology. I believe in the desire of, you know, pushing, um, one's legacy through family institutions so that the bloodline survives. I believe like, like those social values. Like a kind of like almost soft, soft, soft fascist. I don't, I don't mean that as like a, but that's like, that's like the, the kind of like family legacy. See, you're doing it now. You're doing it now, right? Where, where everything is fascism. Right? Like, but it's like, I feel like we're kind of at a point where like, I'm really angry. Yeah, I'm really angry that the left has watered down the term fascism to where now that we're kind of starting to see fascistic policies and fascistic beliefs and fascistic rhetoric pop up and like, I can't call it that because now I'm a loony lefty. Like, like I, I'm now in a position where I can't say like, like, like when someone, someone comes out on Twitter, right, and is like, you know, I believe in a white identity and a white America and I have to be like, "Hey man, that's a little [ __ ] fasy." And then they're like, "Oh, typical [ __ ] lefty [ __ ] oh no, I'm a [ __ ] fascist because I care about my white culture and my white family. If I said it about black pride, you wouldn't have a [ __ ] problem with it." And I'm like, "No, really. It's the, it's the Nazi symbol edit that you started your video with that had me like a little like, hey, this might be fashy." Like, we're starting to see it. And you [ __ ] took made you, I'm not maybe not you, but your ilk, [ __ ] made the word meaningless. Now what the [ __ ] do I say now? Third positionist. That doesn't have the same ring. No, it doesn't. Have you heard, have you heard of the concept of right too soon? Like, right, like correct, correct too soon. Yeah, but they weren't right. Like so many people were calling literally basic right-wing thought of like order-based politics or religious beliefs fascist. Mhm. For, I mean, like, like, or like, you know, like obviously this norm isn't like, right, you know what I mean? Like there a million people have had interactions with some psycho [ __ ] furry 72 flags in their bio person that will call literally anything fascist, right? And it's like, that, that person isn't. I don't know if that's true, but I, but I'm familiar with the stereotype. Maybe not a million, maybe, but I, I would, I would say at least 10,000 people have and have encountered somebody like I'm talking. We need a tracker. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know what the actual number is, but I know that this is a common occurrence of right-wing people, right? And it's like, now that we're genuinely thing that they say. It's it's funny though when you talk to them. It's happened to me a bunch of times. Oh man, I got yelled at at at work just for h just for having right-wing beliefs and they're like, you were yelling in the lunchroom. Like you were throwing food at a coworker. It's like that that level of, right? But I mean like that, I am as anti-fascist as one can be. You could not get more antias. I believe you straightforwardly. I'm sure I'm sure that's, right? I [ __ ] hate fascism because it's it's it's it's a [ __ ] it's a Hegelian compromise with communism. But picking all the worst [ __ ] that and and then just having it's it's communism for [ __ ] you know, white people and you know what I mean? Like it's it's [ __ ] like I mean, I, not like communism from, um, Black Panther Marx. I mean, yeah, Marx was a pretty virulent racist, but but you know what I mean, right? Like, like there is, um, there's a lot of preserved elements. You put together a meaning of what you're saying. I, I'm a very imaginative person. So, yeah, I mean, like the classical fascists were all, you know, anarcho-syndicalists or self-appoint or or, you know, or members of the socialist party, right? And then they're like, but it's not preserving. I'm not really interested. Mussolini and Gentile were both anarcho-syndicalists and and members of the socialist party, as were most of the appointees of their cabinet, right? They were socialists that turned and created fascism because of, you know, and essentially added in these cultural right-wing, uh, elements to socialist doctrine and then did this weird compromise with like, we're going to preserve private property. We're going to create an economic system that is essentially the USSR, but like the people we like will be in charge of certain industries and will regulate literally everything that they do. There's a good book if you want like more of my perspective from a, um, a communist, um, economist, Gunter Ryman, and he wrote this in 1939. Right? So this is like the rise of right, like this is, you know, the, the rise of of classical fascism and Nazism. A lot of people dislike that he calls them both fascism, but in 1939, he didn't have the, he didn't have the ability to be like, "Oh, these are two distinct different things." Cuz it's '39, right? It's called the, uh, Right. It's called the vampire economy. And it is a, I feel like it's a really good look into why these are essentially like Stalinist economic policies with with like a, with a coat of paint, right? Like, and, and if you want to make the argument that's not socialism or that's not communism done right, whatever. But nevertheless, like, it, it, it's very illuminating in how the economic structure of the Strength Through Joy program and things like that, um, were. But yeah, it just feels like it's like now I can't call anything fascistic without being looked at crazy. It's, it's an interesting situation, you know?

I mean, [ __ ] literally Chrissy Nolan went on a [ __ ] podium and said, "One of ours, all of yours." Oh yeah. That is a [ __ ] Nazi slogan when one of the SS officers was killed. Word for word, direct translation of a Nazi slogan when one of theirs was killed. So they went in and wiped out an entire Polish town. What? Who did that? Maybe she didn't know. Maybe she didn't know. But there was definitely a groper, ginzy person that was involved in that. Like, there's no way that was an accident. Maybe she asked Rock for a for a line. Uh, I mean, people were calling Trump fascist pretty early when he was or this was later on, but when he was talking about, you know, immigrants poisoning the blood and just all these different things that were like, it's like these sound like, you know, not like kind of Hitlerish, but like, like direct. Yeah. They never called him fascist. Melania was like, was like plagiarizing Michelle Obama. Trump was like plagiarizing Hitler and it was like, okay, but there's no way he would know about this. And it's like, oh, apparently he sleeps with a book of Hitler speeches next to his bed. And he was, and I don't, I don't buy it either. Trump said, sure, but that book was given to me by a friend who's who's who's Jewish, by the way. So, it's kind of like, it's cool, whatever. And his friend was like, "Yeah, I did give him that book, but, but I'm not." And he [ __ ] he loves Israel and he certainly loves, uh, Jared Kushner, it seems. But, um, you know, Yeah, but I mean, certainly fond of the Jews. All the, all the worst things, all the most Nazilike things about Israel are what he loves. Right. Well, I, I've never called him fascist. I've always said that policies or thoughts or words were fascistic, right? Because it's not, it's clearly not fascism. It's it, it doesn't make sense. It's the [ __ ] 21st century, right? Like it's not, it's not like, like history doesn't really, whatever it is, it's a new thing. It's it's an analogy to to like Germany in the 1930s. It's it's a new thing. Every, every river is going to be different. Whatever. It, it'll, we'll only have like a 50-year historical perspective to start to make sense of exactly. Dude, I'm saying if I can get you to do one thing, I need you to police your [ __ ] people and sell them to stop calling everything fascist, but specifically call things fascist. What do we do now? Now fascistic policy that it is fascist. What, what do we call it now? Now that you agree that it currently is fascist? There will be, there will be some historian in a hundred years that will give it a name. And it won't be fascism. And that's what we, we need to, get a time machine. Time machine. Yeah. Yeah. You, I'm just, right, like it's like, the problem is is that populism can turn into anything, right? Like populism is an ideology with no purpose. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I, I need it because this to me, populism is the bastardized term. I don't, I don't ever want to hear that Trump is a populist because a populist is a, a person of the people, like actually of the people, like, um, you know, great, great picker who becomes a politician who comes from the from the people and represents the people for better for worse, whatever, right? Trump is not a populist in the. So let me give you my definition for a very small number of people in terms of, so like, he, he started with like, like a Bernie Sanders appeal to the working class. That, that's that's what made him like initially popular, but right now he's he's representing like billionaires. He's representing white supremacists. Uh, he's representing like Christian nationalists. Yeah. He's doing a bad job of representing white supremacists, right? Because he's he's he's actively hated by most white supremacists, right? I mean, white supremacists definitely do not like Trump. How so? What's like a talking about? Because, because he's in, or something, or what is? I mean, like, every, you talk to any white sup, have you ever talked to a white supremacist? I'm just curious. I know like from a left that's like, I get it. You know what I mean? Like, why would I do that? Right. I have. No, no, no. I mean, I mean, that's what I'm when I'm on Twitch politics, you know, I'm. Uh, If you talk to any genuine white supremacist, right, you will notice that. I know how gatekeeping you are with terms, though. So. Well, no. I just mean they're they are they're they're very, very upset with Trump for his unabashed support of Israel for, you know, having Kushner, think like a typical thing they're going to say interest. In because it would put them somewhere else that was the whole. Yeah. Yeah. But like if I ask, if I ask any, Yeah. But they weren't a power player, right? So it's obviously a completely different thing, right? Like, like Hitler did it because he was trying, like, you know, he was trying to get rid of them, right? Supporting Israel as a nation state today that is a power player in the region with, you know, Mossad and being a part of the Five Eyes program and, you know, I mean, like that's a completely different thing. I get what you're saying, but if you ask any part of the Five Eyes anymore. We. Yes. Don't believe, don't believe this idea that you're going to [ __ ] play with us. I've got, I'm just, I got to go. I'll just say this. Talk to any white supremacist and they'll and and I guarantee you you will hear this phrase. He got the call to kiss the wall. Mhm. You know what I mean? Like they don't like him. Okay. Great talking to you, man. All right. I'll talk to you soon. Love to do some more one. Yeah. All right. Take care. He didn't like that. He was like, "What? Trump's not liked by white supremacists? That's crazy." No, dude. White supremacists [ __ ] hate Trump. I think it's so funny like how how lefties are really ignorant of that fact because they have to convince themselves that he's like a white supremacist because like white supremacy is the thing they hate the most. Yeah, dude. He would hardly utter white for all of his campaign. Yeah. Like he is like he is so watered down. I genuinely think it's going to be, I don't think these people understand. They're in for a rude awakening. The people that think Trump is like a figure of the white nationalists, they're in for a huge rude awakening because like this [ __ ] is so tepid compared to somebody like an actual white supremacist in power. The Zoomer waffin. Yeah. Or or what is that one guy calls he calls Generation Z, Generation Cyclone. Like, dude, dude, you're in for such a rude awakening if you genuinely think that Trump is representing the interests of white supremacists. But regardless, uh, funny or not, um, I'll see you guys probably Thursday, unless something comes up or somebody wants to do an interview or something. Um, love you guys. Thank you for all the love and support. Um, you know, slow stream Mondays usually are, but I like these Mondays. It's fun content, even if it's a little crazy. And, um, you know, join the Discord, follow me on Twitter. Um, Discord is where all the go lives are going to be. Like, share, subscribe, you know, all all those wonderful things. And, um, I'll see you guys around. Honestly, I think America after the next cycle is going to elect a commie. I'm so sick thinking about it, too. Probably. It wouldn't surprise me.