The UNTOLD Story Of The Day Charlie Was Shot

The moments leading up to Charlie Kirk's assassination. We're on our way to UVU that morning in the car. Charlie gets footage on his phone of the crowd. He shows it to me. I'm looking at it. It's like an amphitheater. I said to him, "Charlie, I don't like this place. There's too many buildings."

I either got the first call from you or from Mikey. He said, "Jack, get everyone in the world praying. >> There's so much blood." My brother calls. He said, "Charlie's been shot." Your call came in. It was a FaceTime call. Yeah. You had blood on you. And people don't believe in the demonic. Jack, how could it be more obvious? >> Yeah. The last picture that I took with Charlie, your brother was between us. >> Right before Charlie was shot, my brother was talking to a microphone or speaker that was in a bush. And so he was talking to some sort of military operative that they were, you know, conspiring to take out Charlie.

September 9th, Charlie calls a meeting, a scheduled Zoom meeting with two officials in Israel. What do you think we're talking about, Jack? Exodus 22:22 says, "Anybody that abuses a widow or the fatherless, God says, I will hunt you down with a sword and kill you." Erica wants all this nonsense that's being talked about with conspiracy. All she wanted to do was take care of her children. We got to the hospital somewhere around 12:30. He was shot, right? Like maybe 12:20. It took us like 10 minutes to get there. Maybe 15. Just an SUV. We had no lights. We We're just screaming. >> Saw that. >> Yeah. We get there. Mikey had already sent a plane to get Erica. She got there, I want to say about 3:00. It's about 5:30. I'm about the only one in the emergency room area. So, they come down from being with Charlie. Erica sees me. I see her. She's a mess, as you can imagine. She's crying. I'm crying. >> She comes up to me, we hug, and she says this. >> So, this is not only a a cathartic moment for you and I um that we've we've decided to make public here in this podcast. But um the moments lead leading up to Charlie Kirk's assassination, I say martyrdom. You agree with that? >> I know. Um you and I haven't had a chance to talk. You've been so busy since that moment and we we both enjoyed a friendship with him. Um, you you hit the ground running to fill that gap and the void and you've been doing an amazing job. Um, and I I went the other way. I so many people were talking about Charlie and everybody was his friend and longtime buddy and everybody was his pastor and I just kind of stepped back um in the sense of uh of just watching things play out but trying to honor you know a a friend of a young man in the faith where what comes to my mind Frank is um not that I'm a Paul or that you are appalled but po but Charlie would have looked at us like a Paul, >> him being the Timothy, >> and um he was such an a precious student of the word. But um >> let's talk. >> The amazing thing that day that the last picture that I took with Charlie, your brother was between us cuz when we got to UVU and got out of the SUV >> Yeah. >> he was there. >> Yeah. And Charlie took pictures with all the TP USA kids that were lined up. And then your brother was there and he goes, "I'm Jack Hib's brother." >> That's why they security wanted to throw him out. >> That's right. Usually you call him a mountain man. What's his name again? >> Butch. Butch. Butch is his nickname. >> Butch. Yeah. But that's not his real What's his real name? >> Burton. >> Burton. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> And so he introduced himself and the last picture, formal picture >> that probably Charlie took >> was was with him and me.

Here's the backstory to that. >> Uhhuh. >> So my brother's lived in Utah for years. >> And uh we have to make sure that this doesn't get out, but he he looks like a mountain man and he's all over the terrain. >> I'm going to give you the picture. He can put it in. >> He's, >> you know, some people would say that he is a covert military operative for the CIA >> and in conjunction with the Mousad. >> Um, he loves the mountains. >> So, he had months to reach out to me to say, "Hey, can you give me a chance to meet Charlie and to to get a a decent seat?" >> But no, he calls me the night before. >> Oh, yeah. And he says, "Hey, can you?" And I said, 'Well, I mean, I mean, I'll give Charlie a call, but it's kind of late, you know, and all that stuff. And I'm thinking, so I honestly reached out to Charlie. I said, "Charlie, listen. My brother lives nearby. He wants to come see you. I know that's a this just you got too much going on right now, but I was faithful to give you his request. Um, God bless you tomorrow." And so the next thing I know, that's how I found out is that he sent me that picture and I my first thought was this. Wow. I got to thank Charlie for going above and beyond. >> Mhm. >> And for you, Frank, to be there. Here's my brother sandwiched in between two uh rocks. And um and then so I went about my morning not long and um I'm trying to remember the sequence of things. I either got the first call from you or from Mikey. It was one or the other. It was very very close. I do believe you were the first one. >> That was after we got to the hospital. >> Okay. Then I got the first call from Mikey >> because I was in the emergency room after we got Charlie there. >> I remember called you. >> I remember what you were saying. Yeah. Okay. So Mikey Mikey called and he said uh he said, "Jack, get everyone in the world praying. >> There's so much blood. There's so much. It's >> and he was beside himself as as you can imagine. Mhm. >> Um, man, in that moment when I got that, I didn't believe it. >> Then I facetimed you. I faced we were talk >> you >> so I had blood on me. >> You So my brother My brother calls and he's can't talk. He said Charlie's been shot. Now, now listen, I have there's I have a relative whose name's Charlie and he's very involved in politics and he's all over the United States. And I thought it was Char cousin Charlie got shot. >> And I said, and I actually said, "What do you do now? What did he do now?" >> And he said, "Charlie Kirk got shot." And I said, "What?" And he couldn't. He just broke down. I actually hung up on him and I started making calls. Your call came in >> which was a FaceTime call >> and yeah, you had blood on you. Um, yeah, it that's still uh yeah, I haven't follow I haven't I haven't just thought I haven't I don't even know if I've meditated on all of that. But um and and then of course I went because it was online everywhere. I saw the whole thing and but you right away got a prayer chain going and then that happened at about 12:30 Utah time. And so that's within six hours you were preaching about it. >> That's right. That's right. And that message that night was well done, >> Charlie Kirk. And um you know as as uh as horrific as that uh martyrdom was, that assassination was um we know that Charlie didn't feel a thing. >> No, >> we he went from he went from doing what he loved the absolute most to to entering glory painlessly >> instantly. >> And um I think of the mercy of God and the goodness of God in that. Um, but the the young man, we were talking before going on camera right now, how there was a transformative shift in Charlie's life regarding faith. I don't mean I don't mean he came to faith. >> He came to faith in the fifth grade. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> What I mean is there was a transformation in him seeing that Christianity uh is viable in any sphere, in any culture at all times. and Charlie, we had hours of elongated discussions over um Jack, how do you biblically justify voter registration and voting? How do you do that? Everybody I talk to tells me that I need to talk to you guys because you guys with Gina Gleason leading the the spear on this, you guys have been doing this for decades. How do you do this? How do you what's the deal? And he honestly was asking, you know, you know this, he was always so teachable, >> right? and Charlie, this is the reason why. These are the verses why. >> And instead of him saying, "Yeah, but that's one man's interpretation." Charlie said, "I didn't know that." >> And you watched that. I like I think you said before came like 2019ish. >> 2019ish is probably when he really realized that a Christian should be a Christian 24/7, 365, 360 degrees, every area of life. Yeah. >> And he reached out to me in January of 2020 saying he had been watching our videos and was blessed by them. Could we meet? And so we met that shortly thereafter. And he wanted me to mentor him in Christian apologetics. And as you know, Jack, it could be difficult to mentor someone smarter than you. But nothing not in Charlie's case. >> You know, the few things I didn't know he wanted to know because the only thing that exceeded his intellect was his humility. >> Right. >> Remarkably so. >> Yeah. And he had many mentors. You were a mentor. He had mentors everywhere. >> He was smart. He had men pouring into his life. And the great thing about Charlie, it's not that we I mean, look, I mean, I'm not taking anything away from him. I'm doing the opposite. But you and I are both busy people. >> Charlie never came to us and said, "Please, please, pretty please, will you mentor me? Will you be my pal?" >> Why you and I responded, and so many people responded to him as mentors, is that you could not walk away from his hunger and passion for truth. >> Yeah. No, I I told him several times, I've been waiting for somebody like you for 30 years. When I started to get when I went to seminary 30 something years ago, I said, "Where is the guy out there who is so connected in the secular world, >> but will never compromise on the gospel and will ensure that the two go together that he wants to influence the secular world with the gospel politically, culturally, morally, socially. He wanted to do that. And I, you know, you you see Christians in politics all the time and they mention God in a kind of an ambiguous way. You know, they don't they kind of sidestep Jesus. They sidestep the gospel. >> Yeah. >> It's terrible. >> Charlie was just >> Oh, exactly. >> Like a blowtorrch. >> Yeah. >> Right on. It >> is. >> And he's he's going to get rewards ultimately for that. >> Yeah. Absolutely. >> You know, and >> absolutely. >> And I know right now he senses Wow. for 31 years. In fact, I said this at at um I don't know if it was at the memorial or at Amfest. I said it was tragic that Charlie was taken us taken from us after 31 years, but he accomplished more in 31 years than any 10,000 people I know who have >> that's exactly >> lived for 80. >> Exactly correct. >> It's equally tragic, perhaps more so to live 80 years and do nothing for the Lord. >> I had the similar thought and I I framed it this way in my own head. There are people who can say that they've been a Christian for say 60 years, >> but they've got about one year experience that repeats about every about every year. It's the same thing. They don't they don't grow beyond the one year, but they've been a Christian for 60 years. And hey, Paul said to the Corinthians, you're going to make it in. You're going to make it in. And then there are those >> who like Charlie lived a short period of time but they they put down >> about maybe a hundred years of influence of experience in in 31 years. >> I remember you said you said something right after this happened, Jack. I've never forgotten it. You said if Charlie lived 250 years ago, he'd be normal. >> Do you remember saying that? >> Of course I do. Yes, I do. >> Explain that. Explain that. >> Yeah. So, uh, Charlie's understanding what you just articulated about the gospel not being parsed out or segregated to areas of life, >> but everywhere. >> You and I have read our founding fathers. In fact, I'm sometimes more at home reading my founding father's uh, private papers because I feel like I know them and they're dead, so they can't change their mind. They can't go woke and they don't have a podcast. So, that's really great. So when you looked at Charlie in in my mind I dropped him into maybe I don't know 1770 1774 76 >> 1780 >> 89 Charlie fit perfectly. >> Mhm. >> He would have been John Adams. John Adams and him would have been best of friends. >> They were so much alike that way. >> Um, yeah he Yeah. normal and Adams knew that our government was made for only our constitution was made for only religious and moral people. It's inadequate. Wholly inadequate for the governance of any other. >> Yeah. >> Completely true. >> And Charlie knew that. >> Yeah. He knew that. >> Charlie wanted to spread the gospel and save his country. >> Yeah. You know, one of the We have a mutual friend. Gosh, I'm kind of freak out right now. So, let's let's kind of exaggerate this in a sanctified form. Here's Charlie >> Kirk. And by uh the workings of God uh there are people that are coming into Charlie's life by whatever means it happened and you can name them >> but what but my lane is so narrow but in that lane there there's the man Frank Turk that I've known for so long and good friend. And so Charlie Charlie winds up somehow you guys wind up connecting. Uh and then either you or I or somebody said you got to Charlie you got to talk to Bill Federer. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. >> Oh wait what? >> It just keeps expanding. >> And then so it's it's Turk. It's Federer. It's it's Prager. It's all of these people pouring into this man. >> That's right. >> And that's just the hand of God. And >> and so you said that. So yeah, I mean it's he's a perfect example that if >> if we're open and willing to learn because remember Charlie would say, "Learn something new every day. Just learn something new >> every day." >> The wise listen, he would say. >> Yeah. >> That's those are just >> paraphrased right out of Proverbs. >> Just proverbs. Yeah. But can you are you comfortable enough to share some of the um your you guys walked a lot. >> Yeah. >> Are you okay to the public? >> Yeah. We um in the summer of 2025 uh Charlie wanted to get ready for the tour and the first event was >> right was Utah. And so on four occasions he and I got together in Phoenix to we would just sit around and talk about issues he wanted to talk about that he wanted to be better at answering questions on campus. And sometimes it would be just him and me, sometimes it'd be me, him, Mikey, Blake Nef, Danny Phillip. These are people in TPUSA. And uh the last event we had was he went out to Japan. And I don't know if you remember this. He went to Japan and Korea. >> Absolutely. >> Right. Like in the beginning of September and we were together in the beginning of August for the third event and he said, "Hey, Frank, um the first event is September 10th and I'm going to be in Japan and and Korea >> like on the 9th or something." >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just a couple days before. He said, "Is there any chance you can come back to Phoenix? when I land on the 7th, then you know the 8th and the 9th we could spend together and then why don't you come with me to the first event on the 10th. It's like sure, we'll figure it out. I'll be there. So, I was there and it just so happens my mother-in-law and lives in Scottsdale and so I can bring Stephanie with me and well, it'll we'll worked great. >> Yeah, it'll work it'll work out great. So we would get together during the day for couple hours, two, three hours, and you know, he'd be working, I'd be working, and then we get together. And then after he and Erica put the kids down, he'd say, "Hey, let's go on a walk." And we do this every time I was in Phoenix. And the last walk we had was Monday night. The murder happened on Wednesday, and we probably walked for 90 minutes, always with a 300lb bodyguard behind us, armed bodyguard. We'd walk around his neighborhood and there are three things we talked about that night. Jack, we spent most of our time on. The first was of course government and Islam. He's concerned about Islam coming and imposing Sharia law on us. And we all ought to be concerned about that because that's the history of Islam.

Another name that goes in there. He reached out to me sometime before that and I connected him with J. Smith. >> J. Smith. Yes. and apostate prophet Rid Ridier Adom Adameir Ridier Ridon Adomir who I've become friendly with and had him on the show several times. So he had he had AP on we call him a bos prophet and Jay's amazing too. In any event, so we're talking about that. I talked a little bit with him about the Islamic dilemma. >> You know the Islamic dilemma. You know, if you get a Muslim up there, you ought to ask the Muslim, "Why does the Quran say obey the Bible?" on one hand, yet on another hand, it says, >> "Fill them all." >> It disagrees with the Bible. It says Jesus did rise from the dead. >> Jesus is the word. He had a beginning and and it's it's limited. >> No, it's it's it's a dilemma they can't get out of and it they're two chapters right next to one another. In Surah 5:68, it says, "Oh, you people of the book, you have no ground to stand on." >> Yeah. unless you stand on the the Torah and the the Gospel. So, it's saying to the Jews and Christians at the time, believe what the Bible says. Yet, in the chapter before in Surah 1, Surah 4 verse 157, it says Jesus didn't rise from the dead because he didn't die. Yeah. >> He was taken straight to heaven. That's right. He wasn't crucified. >> That's right. >> So, here's the problem for the Muslims. >> If the Bible's true, we know the Quran is false. But if the Bible's false, the Quran is still false because it's telling them >> it leans on the script. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, Muslims don't know how to get out of that. So, Charlie and I talked about that quite a bit that night.

The second thing he wanted to talk about was the resurrection >> and how can we show in a succinct way during Q&A that the resurrection really occurred. And so, we went through that. >> Yes. I love it. And you've argued that wonderfully in in your messages. >> Sure. And there's really only two facts you need to show to show that Christianity is true. Mere Christianity. Number one, God exists. Number two, Jesus rose from the dead. If those two things are true, it's actually easy to show the Bible's the word of God. >> Rest of it's downhill. >> Yeah, it's downhill. It's easy. So, we talked about that for a while. Then the last thing we talked about, Jack, and we were doing laps on the top of his building talking about this. He was really concerned that his generation was not embracing marriage. The men were, the women were not. >> Yeah. And he said, >> "I'm glad the men are moving in marriage's direction." >> Yeah. >> But the women are not, and why are they going to listen to me? >> Yeah. >> And everybody out there who is a woman talking about this is a career woman. They could see the mild contradiction. >> Exactly. >> So, we didn't come up with a solution to that problem that night. But ironically, it could be that Erica, once this trial is over and all this nonsense that's being talked about with conspiracy theories goes away, hopefully it will, she's going to be the one that women are going to look to and say, "Wow, look at look at how she has handled herself through all this with grace and elegance." And she all she wanted to do was take care of her children. >> Mhm. >> And she's still taking care of her children even though she's doing what her husband wanted her to do. Yeah. >> But but stop. >> And it didn't dawn on me until after this happened. Jack >> Charlie was talking about the three institutions that God established. >> He was talking about government. >> Government. >> He was talking about church. >> Church and marriage. No, no, no. Yeah. Government, church, and marriage. three institutions found in the scripture. >> He was such a he was such a a strategic thinker that when we're having a conversation about the issues that he wants to get better at, he automatically goes to the big three. >> I believe that's evidence of a sanctified heart and mind. meaning the Holy Spirit was welcomed to use him. And thus Charlie thought and talked the truth of scripture >> and he knew something that you said many years ago >> and that was don't be twothirds of a Christian. >> Oh yes. >> Don't be just about marriage and the church. I mean that's important family church obviously >> but don't forget about government. >> Yeah. God established government. >> Yeah. >> And God put government in place to punish wrongdoers and protect innocent people from evil. And if we don't do that, >> we are giving up on God's institution. >> That's right. >> So Charlie, >> Yep. >> And that final night, man, >> that's what he was talking about, Jack. >> Man, that's what he was talking about. And let me add one other thing. And this, by the way, is all going to be in a book that we just wrote. Doesn't come out till September called The War on Reality. >> Great. recovering recovering truth in a world that celebrates lies. The first chapter is all about what we're talking about right now. It's the the whole book's in honor of Charlie started writing it before the whole book shifted after the murder >> I mentioned to you. Sorry. >> No, I just want to complete the thought because the next day, so Monday night, we're out on a walk. Next day, September 9th, Charlie calls a meeting, a scheduled Zoom meeting with two officials in Israel, one Jewish defender of Israel in the United States. I'm in the room with Charlie. Blake's in the room. Mikey's in and out. What do you think we're talking about, Jack? >> I know. We are talking about how the propaganda war against Israel >> is gaining ground even though it's all lies and deception. And Charlie is asking these guys, >> "How can I better defend the truth?" >> Yeah. >> Regarding Israel. Israel. >> You guys help me with that. >> That's right. >> I was in this meeting. It lasted 50 minutes. >> This idea that Charlie was giving up on Israel is false. Not only is it false, but >> uh I'm I'm going to be off on time. I'll just say this before that >> Charlie had asked me is is the cutest thing ever. My phone rang. It's Charlie. What's up? Hey, can you give me a sermon uh that you've done that just kind of brings everything together about uh Israel's existence and the promises of God and its future? And I said, 'N no. I said, ' Charlie, you're talking great questions, buddy. You're talking about you're talking about sermons from the Bible. I don't have a sermon. I have hundreds of sermons on this. And he goes, "Well, I'm boning up on this quick. I need something." And I told him, I said, "Look, you you read like a fish swims through water." And I told him to get Israel by Arnold Futinbomb. >> Oh, fenbomb. Of course. Yes. Read the book. And the other book, I forget who the author is, but it's called Startup Nation. >> Um, but uh, he wrote those down. He said, "I'm writing them down." And I sent him a couple of, you may not remember this guy. He was a West Coast guy, but a guy by the name of Chuck Mistler. >> I I I know Chuck. I was in Israel with Chuck. >> My gosh. >> Yeah. >> Oh my gosh. Chuck Mistler had tremendous logic and scripture on >> In fact, I got this. I say this, but I don't give Chuck the credit. If God doesn't keep his promises to Israel, then we have no promises as a church. >> I got that from him. >> And so, um, yeah. Yeah. No, no, the audience needs to know that. >> Uh, I don't care what people are saying about Charlie, they're using him. They pimped him to try to advance their own sure >> anti-semitic views or hatred or whatever it is about Israel. and they tried to use him. Uh, and that's a very very it's beyond it's beyond >> here. Here is a distinction we talked about and Charlie uh in fact when I said this to him he said, "Wow, this is worth the whole trip." Cuz we were talking about >> blessing Israel. >> Now, what does that mean? >> Right? >> Does that mean that you have to agree with everything the secular government says? No. >> And I said, "No, that's not what it means." >> Exactly. >> Because if you want to bless somebody, you tell them the truth. >> Yeah. If if you want to bless your child, you don't agree with everything your child does. >> That's right. >> You you acknowledge and you protect the existence of the child. >> You still feed them. >> Yes. Yes. They might get disciplined, but you still feed them. >> That's right. That's right. That's right. So, I mean, what's the proverb, Jack? I think it's in Proverbs 27. It says um it says, "Wounds from a friend are good, but an enemy multiplies kisses." >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Always. >> Okay. So wounds were friends compliments. >> You want wounds from a friend. >> You want people to tell you when you're off base. >> That's right. >> So we talked about that and he said, "Wow, that really opens it up because I thought blessing meant you had to agree with everything." No, no, no, no. >> Where did that come from? By the way, let's be honest. >> Yeah. >> I nor you have ever thought >> that Genesis 12:1 and2 meant that. >> We never thought that. We never thought, well, >> bless Israel. We have to agree with everything. Where did you get that thinking? That's a bizarre thought. Well, of course not. You don't agree with everything. >> One one other objection that comes up. Well, you can't support them. They're apostate. >> Soul's 90% OF THE CHURCH IN AMERICA. NO, NO, the pulpit of America. >> I was going to say Jack or or Charlie. >> Hilarious. >> Charlie. Charlie. Every king of the of the northern kingdom was apostate and only a handful from Judah were good. >> Yeah. >> And God still valued their existence. But there was a point where he said, "That's enough. >> You're going to be judged." You know, the nation of Israel as it stands now might be judged. >> Yeah. Absolutely. >> It could go OUT OF EXISTENCE AND COME BACK AGAIN. >> We know this. We know this from scripture >> that >> uh >> 2,000 years ago they were dispersed throughout all the world. >> Mhm. >> And God says now just what are the chances? 2,000 years ago they're dispersed throughout all the world. Deuteronomy 28 said that that's what would happen if they rejected his law, his word. Personify his word. the nation, the national leaders. A lot of people think, this is sad, that on the day of Palm Sunday when the when the people shouted, "Hosana! Hosanna!" And then by the end of the week, they're yelling, "Crucify him! Crucify him!" there's some lazy theology there where we automatically think, because it sounds kind of cute, everybody who welcomed him on Palm Sunday turned around and said, "Crucify him later that week." We don't know that. It doesn't say the same crowd. There could have been a mix. Here's what we know >> is that the national leaders of Israel refused Christ as king. But even that was prophesied would happen. >> Right? >> Why you say, Jack, why do you say that? Because on the day of Pentecost, the church was a bunch of Jews. >> Yeah. This is why I say >> the church was Jewish. >> This is why I say >> and then it went to the world. >> This is why I say people say, "I can't trust those. I can't trust this book because it was written by Christians." No, it wasn't. There are no Christian sources in the Bible. >> Exactly. It all started as Jews >> and they didn't walk around with the New Testament. >> Yeah. >> Paul turns, let me let me go to Thessalonians. >> Right. >> So here So the thing is this ex uh that God has made these promises and the first start is glorious because in in Genesis 3:15, he says, I'm paraphrasing now. I mean, I can quote it exact, but but the meaning I'll paraphrase is, hey, things are messed up. Thank you, Adam and Eve. Boy, you sure ruined this whole gig. However, >> I have a plan from your seed. >> The Messiah will come. Capital S. >> The the faithful one or the Messiah will come, the anointed one. >> And by the way, when he comes, HE'S GOING TO CRUSH >> the head of the serpent, the the seed of the serpent. >> That's the first in fact, >> first prophecy. Yeah. >> You know what? Thank you for saying that. People say, "I don't want to talk about Bible prophecy." Oh, you have to because the first that they're they're they're inseparable. Frank, listen. You already know this. What am I getting excited about? >> No, no. It's exciting for everyone. Let's >> Genesis 3:15 is the first so terological >> verse in the Bible. And it's also the first escatological verse in the Bible. Prophecy and salvation are inseparable >> because the spirit of Revelation 19:10 says the spirit uh Jesus Christ is the spirit of prophecy. Think of that Jesus Christ is salvation. >> It's the same the same author. That said, God will keep his promises to Israel, but remember he says a remnant will believe. When when that time comes, there'll be a remnant. Now, apparently it's a remnant's kind of large because at least we know there's 144,000 Jewish evangelists coming in the book of Revelation. 12,000 from each tribe during the tribulation period. I don't know. 144,000 is a lot of people. But I guess in the grand scheme of things, they're going to preach Gentiles. John said, "I saw so many Gentiles that got saved from their ministry. You couldn't number them all." >> Remarkable. But that said, yeah, if God doesn't keep his promise to to Israel and to Abraham and to Arab's descendants, I ain't got nothing. >> And you cannot say there's no future for Israel because Romans 11 just 910 910, but especially 11 because 11 when he says all Israel will be saved. And then it says right after that, Jack, >> it says >> on account of the gospel, they're enemies. >> That's right. But on account of election, the election of the nation of Israel, not not salvation, >> right? >> They're they're friends on account of the >> patriarchs. The this Israel that he's talking about the time are they're not saved. >> Yeah, that's exactly right. >> They can't be the church. Exactly. >> They can't be the church. So, they were dispersed for 2,000 years to the four corners of the earth. Then God says in Ezekiel, Isaiah, uh Joel, uh Amos, uh he says, "In the latter days, I will bring them back into their own land." Ezekiel says, "I'm going to bring them back in unbelief." Think of that. Aliyah. They call it aliyah. Did you make aliyah? I'm I'm going to go make aliyah. What What is that? I was born in Brazil. I'm Jewish, but I have this compelling drive to watch this. To not only go to Israel and live, but since October 7th, 2023, more Jews immigrated back. I say back they they didn't start there. They were like they were born in America. After 2023 October they made Ali move to Israel. Huge numbers. Huge numbers. What's going on? Does the Bible talk about that? Yes, in great detail. Isaiah chapter uh 43 for example.

But that said, where in the in in any historical writings is there somebody who calls himself God who says these are my people. Oh, they're a real pain in the rear. They're going to disobey me radically. When they do, they're going to pay for it. >> Um, and they're going to be dispersed. But because I keep my word with Abraham, even though he was sleeping, I made a covenant with myself. >> I'm going to bring them back into their land. They're going to come back kicking and screaming spiritually. >> They might run back for the money. They might run back to be safe, >> but they're going to come back. The veil's over their eyes. Romans 9:101. I'm gonna lift that veil at some time that's sovereign to God. And yeah, a remnant will be saved. The remarkable thing is Amos tells us that once he has got them once he has brought them back into their land, they shall never again I'm quoting now verbatim. They shall never again be uprooted. We know the tribulation period is going to be Jesus. >> So you don't think they could be booted out again and come back? >> No, they won't be >> You don't think so? Okay. >> They won't be booted out. They will be taken. I'll put it this way. their their their worst days are ahead. >> Okay? >> If I understand the seven years and the and the rise of the Antichrist, >> Jesus said it this way concerning those days. >> If I do not return, there'll be no flesh left on the earth. Right. >> Remember that, >> right? >> Um Jesus >> 24. Yeah, >> that's right. That's right. Jesus is saying that to those who he says in Matthew 24. When you see the abomination of spoken of by Daniel the prophet standing where it ought not to, >> come down from your house, from your rooftop and flee. You and I do not live in our rooftop. >> You've been there. They have flat roofs. Sure. >> If you're in the field, don't go back to get your jacket. Run. If you're pregnant >> on that day, on that time, uh, and nursing, basically, it's going to be tough. Oh, and he says he mention he deliberately mentions the Sabbath. Pray that your escape's not on the Sabbath. >> Mhm. >> Or that it is in winter. >> I can't tell you how many times I've been to Israel in the winter when it snowed in Jerusalem. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> That said, it's Jewish in context. Think of it. >> Yeah. >> Think about it. And he says, "Flee." Now, that said, it's going to look very, very obviously very, very terrible. It's going to be very, very terrible. Think about the times of the uh the Holocaust. It's going to be worse. Jesus said, "If you didn't come back, there would be no flesh left." Um, so I do believe this that once they're back in their land, they will never again be uprooted. They may be hanging by the skin of their teeth at some point, but May 14th, 1948, which was yesterday, >> as as we're recording it right now. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Is listen everybody. Israel celebrated >> 78. >> It's 78th 78th birthday for the second time. >> Yeah. >> Think of it. They were once a nation, God said, and then they're going to cease to be a nation, and then they're going to be a nation. Listen to this. Isaiah 66, beginning at verse 8, God says, "Will Zion be made to bring b come and give birth in one day? Can a nation come forth in a day?" And yet, Israel will come forth. Isaiah 66. Yep. Yep. Frank, that no nation was born a second time in one day, >> but Israel. Certainly not speaking the same language after 1900 years. That's never happened. >> Same language, same culture, same same >> remarkable. >> But look, uh, I'll be the first to say, you know, I'm I'm happily labeled to be a friend of Israel. I get yelled at for that. That's fine. >> Um, >> hey, hey, what's the alternative? Let step away from the Bible for just a second. Just for just for just a second. Totally. What's the alternative? Do you do you I ask people all the time because I get questions all the time on Israel Hamas. The first question I ask back is, "Have you read the Hamas charter?" >> Oh my 1928. I read it. >> No. No. Uh the Muslim I'm talking Hamas charter like 1988. Okay. Sorry. Okay. >> One person out of dozens said yes. I said you don't you shouldn't have an opinion on this conflict unless you read the Hamas Charter. >> Good for you. >> You know what Charter says? Tamas Charter says that they want to wipe out the Jews. The MOS charter says all this talk about land deals and and conferences, it's a waste of time. That's right. It will not be solved except by jihad. This is in the look it up. It's on the internet. Okay. It's It's going to be solved by jihad. >> Total eradication of the Jewish line. So before you start blaming or accusing a group of genocide, Israel, >> maybe ought to look at the group Hamas that advertises that's exactly what they want to do. >> Hamas, Hezbollah, technically the Muslim Brotherhood, >> the Houthis, >> the Houthis. >> Uh uh if uh what does what's the guy called today? Nobody knows he's alive. Most people think he's dead. Who's the guy? Oh, >> he's the 12th imam. the the the cardi the cardboard. Who's the guy in Iran right now? All of the IRGC the IRGC and the Kmeni son. Yeah. >> Um they can't stop until there's uh no more Jew. >> That's why if they get a nuke, they're probably going to use it because they they think they're going to bring in the end times by getting rid of Israel. Frank, you're on a topic right now that that I wish you and I could tie Trump in the entire cabinet down like like chain them up and say to them, "Can you give us an hour and then we'll gladly leave. Will you listen to us? You can make any deal you want. It's only going to be shortlived. It's not going to last." >> Well, not not only that, that they they can lie to the infidel. >> They get to That's what I was going to say. Yeah. >> Do you know >> that they get to lie? They're commanded to lie to you guys to get things moving. And do you know that they believe in waiting things out where don't declare Trump victory too soon because here's the way they think which you don't know. As long as one of them are standing one, they believe they're winning. That's how they interpret victory. If one of their team members is still standing after the US and the Israelis decimate them, but there's one standing. >> Victory. >> Mhm. >> I'm not making it up. That's how they view things. And there will there has to be the com. In fact, for the Quran to be true, the crescent has got to close. What I mean, what I say by that is look on every mosque. Now, I may be wrong about this. It's been the Alaka mosque which is the gray dome right there and the dome of the rock mosque right >> I think one of those bear witness of the ultimate goal most countries if you go around and look at a mosque most of them have a crescent >> at about 45 degree angle I don't know why not always but it's not closed it's a crescent okay in Islam the crescent cannot the moon cannot become full the crescent cannot close until Israel is no more and there's no more Jews. That's why in Jerusalem the Alaka or and or the Dome of the Rock Mosque has a closed >> crescent, a full moon, which is a whole we need Bill Federher right now to talk about the moon god of Babylon. That's who Allah is, but that's another day. That said, I love what you said a moment ago. >> They they the world thinks, "Oh, let's have a peace deal." They spell peace differently. >> And I don't really know, Jack. I don't know how this is going to turn out because >> I'm not confident. >> The only thing that could bring them back a constitutional monarchy is if the military turns on the Mullis and that might happen when they stop getting paid. >> That because because the people don't have weapons. Jack, >> did you see the news? You've been in an airplane all day. >> Yeah. Yeah. I haven't seen it. >> That's the breaking news today. >> What? The IRGC have not been paid. >> Okay. I didn't see it. I'm just >> And the IRGC is being fed right now uh potatoes. They're out of food. >> You're right. Maybe Listen, I don't know because listen, Frank, I I I hope you know this is sad to say. Uh in the book of Ezekiel, it talks about an attempt by a five nation conglomerate that is going to seek to destroy Israel in the last days. >> And Persia >> is one of them. >> That and the alliance of those nations, by the way, has never happened before. Never happened before in history. Not even close. >> It's a future event. That means this peace deal with Trump, it's not going to last. >> In fact, what if it fails? >> Is it Is it possible it could last for a period? >> Yes, I believe that. >> Yeah, we don't we don't know when the end's coming, right? So, >> yeah, we don't >> it could Yeah, >> I personally believe actually I personally believe that it's going to be a short-lived peace gig >> and then something's going to happen. Change of leadership, change of who knows what. >> But we do know this. Daniel chapter 9:es 24- 27 tells us that uh the prince that shall come a reference to the antichrist that he will secure a covenant of peace with Israel with Daniel it says Israel I mean it doesn't say Israel it says >> Daniel your holy city and your holy people well Daniel was a Jew >> um but he'll make that he'll make a seven-year deal but the Bible tells us three and a half years into the deal he'll break that deal >> by what Antiochus Epiphanies did. >> Yes. Right. >> He offered a swine offered. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. >> Uh but >> yeah, we got to get back to Charlie. We want to talk about Charlie. Well, >> that was fun. >> Charlie was, as I say, the guy I've been waiting for for 30 years. Um, and you know what Charlie also would say about courage, Jack? He loved the virtue of courage because courage doesn't take any skill. >> You just got to make a decision. >> Please say that again. >> Courage doesn't take any skill. You don't have to be gifted. You don't have to have a a great amount of intelligence. All you got to do is make a decision. That's what courage is. >> And as you know, Churchill and Aristotle before him said things like, "Courage is the first of all virtues because without it, you won't do anything else."

Now, we're on our way to UVU that morning in the car. Charlie gets footage on his phone of the crowd. He shows it to me. I'm looking at it. It's like an amphitheater. I literally >> I know where you're going. >> I literally said to him, I said, "Jack, >> you told me this. >> I don't like I said to him, Charlie, I don't like this place. There's too many buildings." And he just shrugged it off because he's brave. He's not going to call off the event. His security team was there. They had coverage from the Utah uh university police and some of the Utah uh state police >> that they had the roofs. After this happened, I saw from Dan Flood the text that said, "We got the roofs." And uh I've since had a conversation and I can't reveal it yet because >> understand that's right. I I I have to give this guy an opportunity to say something else, but

I talked to the head of the university police when I was there at the end of March because I went back to UVU, right, to speak and he was there and he came up to me and we spoke, but I won't say what he said until I have a chance to further vet it out. But he was denying to a certain extent that he had responsibility for certain areas. And um it just seemed to me that since Butler, PA. Yep. I mean, I'm just a guy. Yeah, I was in the Navy, but I'm just a guy. And I go, you better you got to have somebody up there, right? No, I'm sure he feels badly, of course. But we'll I'll reach out to him and talk to him more.

And those are the human dramas that we have to cope with in the scope of God's sovereign hand, which well, there's always a ripple effect, Jack. In everything that happens, there's always a ripple effect. At the memorial service, there were 75,000 people in the building. There were 30 or 40,000 people in the building next to us. There were 110 million people watching online. And last I heard, as of November, several months ago, 1.2 billion people saw some of that memorial service. 1.2 2 billion. It was the largest evangelistic event in history. I still get emails from people saying, "I became a Christian because of Charlie Kirk." I still get them. It's eight months later. Yeah. I know Erica gets them. The It's a tsunami, not just a ripple.

There's been so much good that's come from it. Now, there's also been a lot of evil that's come out of it. I need to say this because there are It brought evil out. Yes. Oh, totally. They came right out of the woodwork. It was there. It's the pus. It's the infection. Yes. Yes. Exploded.

Look, as you well know, but this is for the viewers and listeners, Jack, that Jesus and the apostles called Satan a murderer, liar, an accuser, and slanderer who wants to steal, kill, and destroy all those things. We had a murder on 910. What have we had since then? Lies, accusations, and slander seeking to steal, kill, and destroy. And people don't believe in the demonic. Jack, how could it be more obvious? Yeah, exactly. They're attacking a widow, and they don't care. A widow. And not only attacking a widow in her grief, an assassination, martyrdom. I say that because so many of them claim to be Christians. That's impossible. Yeah, they're they're they're don't judge. No, no, no. I am supposed to judge in the way of fruit inspection. That's right. I know this. The Holy Spirit who dwells within a Christian would never allow those kinds of words or actions. He will not allow his kids to be like that.

Jack, let's just go back to the Old Testament for a second. Exodus 22:22 says, "Anybody that abuses a widow or the fatherless, God says, I will hunt you down with a sword and kill you." That's what it says, Jack. if if they pray to me, I'm going to hunt the guy down and kill him with a sword. I can just hear somebody say, "That's why I don't read the Old Testament." But then you just reminded me in Revelation 19 and 20, Jesus coming with a sword in his mouth. That's right. And in Deuteronomy 19, it says this. If you accuse someone of a crime falsely and then you're found out, you get the penalty of the crime. I love that. So if if you accuse someone of murder falsely and you're found out, you get executed. This would shut the internet down, Jack, if we had this law in America. You would just shut it down. And I just, you know, you got to have two witnesses. I mean, yes, that's right. Let the record show. Amen. That needs Boy, that would shut You're right. People would straighten up real quick. That's right. People would keep their trash inside of them where it should stay. Mhm. But as the proverb says, gossip goes down like choice morsels, Jack. They love it. They love the intimacy, the inside. We got inside knowledge that I don't know. Oh, we're a club. We're in a cult now. Yeah. In fact, the things that happened after you, too. The things that happened after Charlie's assassination, I found out so many things about me, about you. I found out things about my dad. Yeah. My family. My family. My brother, you know my what? Your brother? What? My brother, Butch, when we were taking pictures, was he involved in it, too? It turns out that right before Charlie uh was was shot, my brother was talking uh to a a uh microphone or speaker that was in a bush. Oh. And so he was talking to some sort of military operative that they were, you know, conspiring to take out Charlie because it couldn't have been a person who had been indoctrinated into cultural Marxism and transgenderism who was upset that Charlie was speaking the truth and that he wrote an eat this fascist on his bullet when he shot him. That's just too simple. There's got to be an integrated big conspiracy theory that this guy was just a psy parent. Exactly right. Now, if that were true, Jack, if that were true, there he's not really guilty. Tyler Robinson, don't you think his parents would be screaming right now? You got the wrong guy. He's innocent. They turned him in. Don't you They were Exactly. Yeah. Don't you think he would be screaming right now? I I didn't do it. I mean, this is just It's possible. Anything's possible, Jack. It's possible. Aliens may have done it, Jack. It's possible. You need evidence, though. Yeah, you need evidence. No, I don't think aliens would do such a thing. I think it would take a liard like that to do such a thing. This is a person who's been indoctrinated.

The folks who say they're fighting for inclusion, tolerance, and diversity, Jack, 100%. Those are the people who kill people. They do. Okay. They won't include you. Won't tolerate you for holding diverse views. They want to sit down and have a peacefest, but it's spelled not with it's it's We can't tolerate the fact that you have a different view and so we're going to kill you. This is what happens, Jack, when you don't have a way to defend your worldview logically. You emote. That's what happens. You emote. You emote. That and people get frustrated and tragically. Now look, Tyler Robinson's made the image of God. He deserves a fair trial. He deserves presumption of innocence. But given the evidence that we have seen, if it's true, it sure appears he's guilty. I hope he repents and then he's executed because that's what he deserves. Absolutely. You said something key. Mhm. Executed. The people who are against capital punishment are also the ones who are letting people out of prison. Yes. Who go right back to killing people. Excuse me. We're in California. I can say that they are for capital punishment on the innocent, the unborn. They will murder a baby in the womb and it's a virtue. Mhm. It's a sacrament. It's a sacrament. This is my body. Yeah. Yeah. They're mimicking the words of our Lord, the communion. This is my body. Which is not which is hilarious, right? Our friend Dennis Prager did one of the greatest videos years ago on uh why why a a baby is not your body. And he walks through a complete separate DNA. Sure. A complete separate identity, different gender. COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GENDER HOUSED INSIDE OF ANOTHER HUMAN. YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. It's a miracle. It's a miracle. But um but Jack, people don't understand the pro-life position. We're talking about prolife for the innocent. It's different in capital punishment because you're punishing a guilty person if there's no violation done right. No, I know. And Jesus affirms capital. Absolutely. And Pilate says them, "Don't you know I have the authority to kill you?" Jesus doesn't say, "No, you don't." He says, "Yes, you do, but you get the authority from above." Exactly. Because God established government. Exactly that. And that's why God that's why the the ruler bears the sword. It's a reference to capital punishment. So, if nobody's uh responding to this podcast yet, this will get them. Jesus said in Luke chapter 22, remember when I first sent you guys out, I told you don't take anything on the missionary venture that I was Okay. Well, now that I'm leaving, I'm I'm sending you guys out, but this time you need to take your uh your jacket with you this time, and you need to take uh what you you need to take um I forget what he said. I should sword sell your cloak. You need to sell, you know, sell sell some bananas and get he he said get two swords. Mhm. That should be enough. All right. Why two? If you drop one, you're going to need the other one. People don't Most Christians don't even know that Jesus said, "You need to own a gun." Yeah. And I mean, you you need self-defense. Which, by the way, our founding fathers uh used that law of natural law to establish the Second Amendment. Yes. You The second amendment was not invented by the NRA. Of course not. The Second Amendment, our founding fathers said, "Okay, we learned something here. We know we know this. We can write up any constitution you want. But we got to do this one and two are of natural law which we could we could make laws against it. Nobody will obey it because a man will speak his mind and a man will defend himself. So one will be you can talk all you want. Two will be you can defend yourself. And imagine if Iran had a second amendment. Wow. Wow. You know what the the Iranian the Persian I like to call them Persian people are the Persian people they don't have that they can't defend themselves against a despotic government but they're wanting they're how many have been killed what did well 35 or 40 30 to 40 plus thousand dead because they spoke their mind wow think about it there this is that proves Jefferson and Adams and it proves what They said, Mhm. people will speak their minds even if it cost them their lives because the First Amendment recognizes God's natural law that man will speak. Wow. Well, hopefully we'll speak. Those people were speaking for uh their freedom. We have freedom and we won't speak up to defend it. Well, that's why we're losing it to Islamic uh Islamic candidates sweeping across the US at this time. Did you ever think that under Trump's administration and all the tremendous mega and all the flag waving um in a post 911 2001 world again getting back to how the Muslim mind thinks that we would see them getting victories and yes because 40 million Christians don't vote that's why thank you for saying that 40 million don't vote they gripe they moan they complain but they don't get off their spectator you know I I Unless they think that only atheists are qualified to run the country. I know where do they get that from? By by that they're endorsing evil. Silence is approval. They're no different than Germans during the time of Hitler. Apathetic Christians are what's wrong with Christianity today. Totally. Jack, I say this to audiences all the time. Do you think that Christians back in the 1800s should have gotten politically in involved to eradicate slavery and free the slaves? Every one of them go, "Yes, of course." Welcome to politics, ladies and gentlemen. That's right. So, why is it any different now? That's right. Why is it any different now? In fact, I'm I'm going through I'm not saying I'm This is This is because I've been This is an election year. Yes. So, I'm getting all kinds of questions, all kinds of challenges. And so, I answered what you just exactly how you just answered. And of course, Jesus saying, "Whose coin is this? It's a political statement Jesus made, by the way. You look at all these things. I'm really hardpressed. I'm open. I'm open to being wrong on this. But so far, everything is trending from Genesis to Revelation. The inseparable reality between faith and politics, God established government throughout the entirety of scripture. It's political from Genesis to maps, Jack. Genesis 2 all the way. It's it's political. It is all these prophets. But a shallow Christian Frank cannot handle that. They just like why? Because they've not been equipped by pastors to train them as disciples to go out on Sunday afternoon and show up on Monday morning at work or wherever they're at and to be able to say, "Hey, Jesus Christ died for your sins and rose again from the dead." Fulfilling Bible prophecy. And God also said that when the righteous are in power, the people rejoice. But when the wicked are in authority, the people groan. And it says, "Love your neighbor." How do you love your neighbor if you're allowing them to be hurt by bad laws? When you have the opportunity to protect them from bad laws. That's right. Why are you not taking that opportunity? Because they are so spiritual, Frank. They would never dirty their hands in getting involved in that dark and nasty world. Yet Paul wanted to go see Caesar. Exactly. Paul, he used his political citizenship. He leveraged it to get a court with Caesar and he told Felix so many um unnerving things to Felix. He went after Felix on a moral level, you know, the governor there that Felix said, "Go away. I don't want to talk to you later." Yeah. Later. Later. And he kept bringing Paul back because he wanted Paul to give him a bribe and he wouldn't do it. Yes. Yeah. So Paul was trying to influence the top leaders of the Roman Empire. What does the and to to prove your point, what does the book of Acts say? Mhm. Later on, Acts some of the a couple of epistles which escaped me. Maybe you'll know uh where greet might be Romans. Oh, the end of Romans. Greet Rufus. I should know this. Greet those guys who ARE OF CAESAR'S HOUSEHOLD. UHHUH. That's right. Caesar's household. My gosh. Caesar's at the table. I rule the world. And there's some kid down at the other end then going. Isn't that awesome? Oh, it's amazing.

Hey, wait. I I we hope we got a few more minutes. I got to say this about that day 910 because it's important for everybody watching who loved Charlie and TPUSA. We got to the hospital somewhere around 12:30. Um he was shot right like maybe 12:20. It took us like 10 minutes to get there, maybe 15. We had no It's just an SUV. We had no lights. We We're just screaming. Saw that. Yeah. We get there. Mikey had already sent a plane to get Erica, right? And uh she got there, I want to say about 3:00, talked to the doctor, went up and had private time with Charlie's body. You know, it's about 5:30. I'm about the only one in the emergency room area just standing there. I'm in scrubs because your clothes clothes were Yeah. I didn't want her to see any of that. No way. So, they come down from being with Charlie. Erica sees me. I see her. She's a mess, as you can imagine. She's crying. I'm crying. Comes up to me. We hug. And she says this. He loved you. He was doing what he wanted to do. Please don't let his legacy die. So, I'm trying to do whatever I can do to make sure his legacy continues and we need people out there to do the same. That's right. Nobody's going to replace Charlie. He's one of a kind. That's a well said. We need people to do the same because So, we are Charlie Kirk. We remember we are Charlie Kirk. Yeah. And Paul said it this way. Emulate me as I emulate Christ. We're not saying Charlie was perfect. We're not saying that. But he had such good qualities. The good qualities where he was following Jesus. Let's emulate those. Charlie was not perfect. But I must say this. I say that based on the reality of scripture. Um, I honestly I'm trying to remember if I heard him say something wrong. I'm trying to remember if he said something rude to somebody. I cannot remember if Charlie was short or in a bad mood. I don't remember Charlie ever hurting someone's feelings. Of course, he was not perfect, but I've never seen him flub up. And I've never seen any of that out of Erica either. And she oh has taken the most heat and has to live with the worst event imaginable and she forgives Tyler Robinson. Yeah. At the memorial service only nine days later. Yeah. I mean she's she's a superhero. Only in Christ can that happen. And you know, um, God will systematically in this life or the life to come judge accordingly. He's the perfect judge. People need to realize that no one's getting away with anything. Mhm. And um instead of in instead of resting everything on that reality, there are people who just won't stop talking about all the dynamics and all the conspiracies and all of this and I know something nobody else knows and all this kind. They just keep going and little do they know they are actually they are actually ripening themselves for the day of judgment. So scripture talks about this, right? They are gainsayers. They are heady. The Bible says they're headstrong, slanderous, unloving, unthankful, unholy. Second Timothy 3. Yes. And best for us in life to leave it in the hands of God. best for us to rest where Frank who was with Charlie in many ways times but there at his last breath. You have to leave things with God instead of conjuring up ideas and crazy things that should be thoughts that are put under the captivity of Christ. things that the professing world I don't think I've heard from. But those who say they're Christians have spewed the most demonic things. The world has shown more respect. Lies, accusations, and slander. Lies, accusations, and slander um against a widow. Yeah. Well, because there's and her husband's organization, his legacy. Yeah. there. I do believe uh I know you do as well, but I do believe that those manifestations that went so very public were of demonic origin. Yes. But people have to lend themselves to be open to being used such by such dark powers. Mhm. So look, I want to thank you for loving Charlie. Um Yeah, we You did too, Jack. Charlie was so easy to love. I mean, I mean, come on. It's not like I had to work at it, right? Absolutely. But supporting him and Erica now uh into the future. Yeah. We have to do what we can do. Yeah. Not that any organization's perfect or any person. That's not the point. And blessing often means correction. That's what we said earlier. That's right. But yeah, what you know, people don't understand Erica was um was established long before she met Charlie. Miss Arizona. That's right. CEO of two companies. Yeah. Sharp. Very sharp. And she reminds me a lot of my wife. I mean, she is someone that doesn't get super emotional and she knows the facts and she focuses. Are you talking about my wife? All of our wives. Notice your wife and my wife and Erica very similar. Not cuz you know God gave us that because they're married to crazy people. That's right. Oh man. So, no, it's true, Dilly Jack. I mean, Erica is just focused. I mean, she's as tragic and as how much pain she's in, she somehow gets up every morning and presses on. She's not not a mess like I I'd be a mess, you know. Amazing. Well, I'm not going to shake your hand because that's very formal. I love you. We're friends. We've been friends for a long time. That's right, brother. We'll be friends to the end. You're a brother in arms and a brother in truth. And thank you for being the tip of the spear among pastors cuz we need we need more pastors to wake up, Jack. We hope it happens. 24/7, 365, 360°. What area of life does Jesus not control? Every area should be following Jesus everywhere. Amen. Amen.