Dr Joe Dispenza: Consciousness, Healing & the Mind | You Made It Weird #peteholmes

You made it. You made it weird. You made it.

Yes, you did. You made it. Made it weird.

You made it weird with Pete Holmes.

Yes, you did. It made it.

What's happening, weirdos? This is a big one. This is Dr. Joe Despensza, the best-selling author of books like Breaking the Habit of Being Yourself, uh, You Are the Placebo, Becoming Supernatural. He is a fascinating and purpose-driven person. Just, just really, really fascinating, and I'm so glad you're here. If you don't know Dr. Joe, you, he's an international speaker, bestselling author, he's a researcher. He gives live retreats, and we talk about that a little bit here. Just mind-blowing stuff. I really would rather you hear it from him. So, I'm going to keep this intro short. For all stuff Joe Despensza, go to Dr. Joe Despensza. Dr. Joe Dispensza.com. You can see his live events. You can see his meditations. It's all there. drdesispensza.com. Uh, check out his movie. There was a movie made about him, a documentary called Source. I watched that. I was blown away. And you're about to be blown away right now. I have a feeling it's very, very interesting stuff.

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All right. So glad you're here for Dr. Joe Despensza. I hope you love it. I did. Get into it. We're so happy to have you. I've never, I've never, we got you fruit. I'm just thrilled to have you.

Oh, I'm so happy to be with you.

That's just a welcome. I'm, I'm pointing that out. Not so you'll be like, you know, say thank you. I want you to feel welcome.

Ah, thank you. I do.

Yeah. Okay, good. And I, I, I'm going to let you know that, and we are recording, and we're going. We'll cut out all the stuff up top that I said. I feel a little overwhelmed that there's so much we could cover and so much I want to cover, but we're gonna, I'm just going to put that to one side.

Okay.

And we're just going to,

Let's roll.

Let's just see where it goes. And I'm sure, but if there's something you'd really like to go, feel free to nudge and move away or whatever you like.

No, I trust the process.

Okay, good. Well, I was going to say, I, I think I feel like you're a unique person to ask. How can we prime this interview? And I mean this sincerely, not like as a hoax. Like, how can we prime this to go well? I, I've, I've tried to prime you. I'm saying you're welcome. I got you fruit. You know what I mean? I'm trying to say like,

I honestly think, I honestly think,

Um, that we are interested in the same things.

Yeah.

And I think that the nature of reality, uh, is comical in a lot of ways because there's a lot about it that doesn't make sense. And the probability that we're perceiving the truth of reality is actually zero, and that's mathematics.

Is that right?

Yeah. So, so your inquiry and understanding that from a humorous standpoint, um, the paradox in itself is humorous.

And, and when I, uh, do my work, uh, there is a lot of humor in it because, uh, you, it's so much easier to forget this information than to remember it because we're programmed into believing something else, right?

Yeah. And so it's a constant process of discovery and, and a constant process of those aha moments.

And then you reach a point, and then it doesn't make any sense anymore, and then you got to start all over.

And you have to reconstruct the model. And it's like trying to bal, you know, juggle a, a chainsaw, a bowling ball, and an elephant. It's just not an easy thing to do.

And so it takes, it takes long thought.

It takes continuous contemplation. It takes rigor. Uh, and, and there is a sense of humor about reality. So, I think we, I think we have the same interests.

Yeah, I would agree. I, I'm not sure. I get little hints that we might have the same outlook of the universe, but the first joke is that you're over there and I'm over here. Like, that's very funny. So, the whole thing from my perspective, from my understanding, is funny that we're playing peek-a-boo with one another, and, and it's all sort of make-believe. I always think Roger Ebert's last words were, "It's all an elaborate hoax," right? So, this is what we're talking about. We're talking about a field. We're talking about, I, I'm coming from a consciousness-first perspective. Consciousness only.

And everything being. And I heard you say something very similar about atoms. That atoms are 99.99999, lots of nines, uh, present nothing.

Nothing.

Yeah.

And but that nothing isn't a, isn't a benign nothing. It's an informational nothing. That's a paradox.

That's correct. Yeah. And then it's 0.0001% what we call matter.

Right?

So, and that's us, right?

So, I, so this is how we got introduced to one another. Is you play that joke of mine?

Is this, this is correct at, at your conferences? So, so it's like we're again, we're saying similar things. I'm yelling and going for laughs, but we're saying the same thing. Like, this is absurd. We should be talking about this.

Yeah. And, and not only should we be talking about it, we should be looking at the effects of how it influences our life.

Yeah. What does that mean? What are the implications?

Yeah. Because, because if we don't assign meaning to life, then, then there's no reason to get out of bed in the morning. So, so what we're perceiving is the spectrum of light, the frequency of light, red, orange, yellow, blue, green, indigo, violet, the rainbow, that small band in the whole electromagnetic, uh, spectrum. Those photons are bouncing off the most stable form of energy called matter, right?

And it's fooling us into the illusion of separation that I'm here and you're there. And that's the game, right? That's the, uh, you know, that's the play. You know, you're the character. It's my daughter's name, Leela. The play of the universe. It's, we're acting.

Yeah. Exactly. So, we're in the play. So, we're in the simulation, right? And that is funny.

That is funny because like, if you could see the humor in that, and at the same time be interested in evolution. Like, how can I take all of these principles and apply them to my life so that I live a better life? Or, or I can actually use what I understand to have some effect in my life, and then I can correlate what I'm doing with that effect and do it again so I can evolve my experience of life. See, this is, this is what I love about you and your work. Is I, I run the risk of being a little bit too like, this is God's dream and you're going like, we're in, uh, the field, or whatever you want to call it, quantum physics, we're, we're in this kind of cosmic joke, but it matters. I'd like to eliminate pain. I'd like to help people. I'd like to get us together, you know, like this competitive marketplace that we live in. I'm a, I'm a guy. It's, it's, I feel like it's so much worse for me watching my wife. I'm just like, I'm in a stressful place a lot of my life. And when I'm stressed, you said this, we're out for ourselves. We're disconnected. So something's broken. So I see you as this great meaning-making person going like, let's presume meaning. Let's say relationship is better than isolation. Let's say love or compassion or generosity is better than the opposites of those. And let's act on it. Let's not just go,

"What a joke."

Yeah. Right.

Yeah.

You know, and I think, uh, uh, this is a time in history where it's not enough to know. It's a time in history to know how.

So, we could have great dinner conversation and talk about living in stress and living in survival, and how, um, we're more animal and less divine, right? And the question is, is when you're in that state of stress and survival, do you have the will, the consciousness, and the understanding of how to change it in that moment? Because that's when it becomes really valuable. Because when you're not in stress and you're not in survival, you're divine.

You tend to be more giving. You tend to be more kind. You tend to be more, because that's who we really are. When we're not divided in stress, right? So, so we have a thousand reasons in a day to feel all those survival emotions, the stressful emotions. And yet people who become supernatural, people who influence the masses, is someone who chooses love, someone who chooses an elevated emotional state, right?

And, and when it's the hardest, it matters the most because anything past that point is going to be easy. So in my work, uh, that is, that is tantamount for the individual because I know when a person's resting and relaxed in their heart, they're going to be so much more creative. They're going to be so more more collaborative. They're going to connect. They're going to, they're going to be way more interested in how to make a difference, how, how are they going to contribute in some way to the world.

Be resourced.

And, and yeah, and that's who we really are. I call that the natural state of being. And when that occurs, we, we've discovered this, that when we're relaxed in our heart, the heart, as, as a great amplifier, uh, sends a signal right up to the brain and it tells the brain, stress is over. M. The event is over. And it resets the baseline, and the brain moves into this super creative state, and the person begins to imagine possibilities that they would have never thought about before when they're living in stress and survival, 'cause it's not a time to be creative. It's time to run, fight, and hide. So in that elegant state, we discovered people change people because the side effect of that empathy is that social networks switch on in the brain, and we tend to bond. We tend to move closer to one another, and there's a greater appreciation for life. There's a greater appreciation for the moment, and that's when you start seeing an emerging consciousness take place.

So, get, get 2,000 plus people together for seven days and look at their individual genes, right? And genes make proteins. And my gene, my genome is different than yours and different than everybody's.

And genes make proteins. But at the end of seven days, 80% of the people that come to the event with their own individual genotype are all expressing the same genes and making the same proteins.

What does that mean?

The flock, the herd. Yes. The school of fish, the tribe. Yeah.

There's an emerging consciousness that's taking place.

That's being reflected in their biology in seven days. Now,

The seven-day part is very difficult for most scientists to swallow because when they look at our data, they say, is this a year, a year-long study? Yes. But when you see that kind of emerging consciousness,

The heart also produces an external field, a magnetic field. And if my field is coherent and my heart is beating in a perfect rhythm, uh, it's, it, it tends to entrain your heart.

And we have, we have,

I've heard that about sporting events. They play music to excite everybody, right?

Because your heart rate will elevate. Is this the same kind of thing?

Yeah. And, but, let's take it to the next level because, uh, you know, you can have a stadium full of people, you can have a lot of energy. Uh, you can have a lot of people, but the energy can be entropic. M.

What we're looking for is a signal, right? An orderly signal. So when you feel kindness, when you feel, feel care, when you feel gratitude, when you feel appreciation, when you feel love, when you feel joy,

The heart has a little bit more room, uh, to relax and to beat with this rhythm like a great drum. It begins to produce this external magnetic field that can be measured, like, like up to three meters wide. So,

So, we did a study where we took about 750 people, right? And out of the 750 people, we divided the people into healthy, which was about 265 people, more or less. And then we divided them in different health conditions like depression, anxiety, PTSD, cancer. And what we looked at it, we did a 10-day event. We looked to see what their heart rates look like at the beginning of the event. And then every single time, uh, that they were wearing a monitor the entire, uh, 10 days.

So, what you see, for example, is a person with depression. You see their heart rate at the beginning in a resting state, very erratic. It's a specific pattern. You compare that to the 265 healthies. They have a beautiful arc. Right? What we discovered is that every single time we went into a meditation, three times a day, that the depressed people's heart rate variability looked exactly like the healthies.

In some way, the healthy people, the strong, were entraining the weak.

At the end of 10 days, when we look at the resting state of the heart of the depressed people, they look like the healthies.

So, and, correct me if I'm wrong, but you have a control. You have the spouses of the people that came, isn't this right?

Well, yeah. So,

The people who didn't attend.

Yeah. We have, we have controls. We call them the vacationers or the Mai Tai drinkers.

The husbands.

The husbands.

Not, not to say it's just the wives, but like, but,

Grumpy grumpies. The grumpy ones.

And, you know, some of our data shows that going on vacation actually, uh, uh,

Increases, increases your age. It works against you. Yeah.

We wear aura rings and we were just in Mexico. It's, uh, and it was a beautiful, you would have loved it. It was, it was such a heart space mirror by star. It was this spiritual writing retreat. And, but we would look at our data and I'm like, why, why was I stressed today? Like, it might, it wasn't when we were all together, but there were these pockets. There's a lot going on. Keep going. Please keep.

No. So, so it's an interesting phenomenon if you think about this, right? Because if you look at the majority of society, more than 70% of the time, Pete, people are living in fear and anxiety and worry and insecurity and vigilance and, uh, in anger and frustration and impatience and judgment and in envy and jealousy and pain and suffering and victimization and guilt and sadness. And psychology calls those normal human states of consciousness. Those are altered states of consciousness without a doubt.

Uh, and remember, stress is when we're knocked out of balance, right? So, imagine then that you can turn on that stress response and knock yourself out of balance just by thinking about the problems in your life or obsessing about some future worst-case scenario.

Yes. And so the hormones of stress divide community because, as you said, when we started this conversation, our focus is on ourselves. If you're being chased by a T-Rex, you got one thing on your mind, and that is get your body from one place to another in the shortest amount of time possible. So, heart rate races, blood pressure goes up, immune system dials up and dials down. Blood is sent to the extremities. Digestive juices are shut off. Pupils dilate. You know, there's a mobilization of glucose. That's an adaptive process when you're being chased by a predator. But when you're in traffic, or you're obsessing or ruminating in the middle of the night, you're turning on that same stress response by thought alone. So, what was once very adaptive becomes very maladaptive because when we turn on the stress response and we can't turn it off, now we're headed for disease because no organism can live in that state of imbalance for an extended period of time. Some system is going to break down. Whether it's digestive system, cardiovascular system, immune system, nervous system, reproductive system, it doesn't matter. It's just that the long-term effects of the hormones of stress downregulate genes and create disease.

So, if you look around in society, everybody is focused on themselves. They're self-absorbed because they're always thinking about their problems, right? And, and, and when you're in stress and you're in survival, you better be thinking about your problems. That's right.

You got to have an arousal enough to keep your eye on the ball. And in that state, it's not a time to learn.

It's not a time to create. It's not a time to eat.

It's not a time to sleep. Uh, it's not a time to dream. It's time, it's time to take care of yourself. So, if you're living in a society where everybody's trying to take care of themselves because they're focused constantly on all the things that are driving them into those stress states, uh, they become overfocused. And we tend to narrow our focus. We've all done this. When you're in stress, you're obsessing about the same thing over and over and over again. We, we discovered that when you look at the brain in real time, 100% of the time when you're analyzing your life within some disturbing emotion, 100% of the time you're going to make your brain worse. It's because you're, you're driving your brain further out of balance just by thought alone. And the solution to that problem is not within that emotion because the emotion is a record of the past. So you're thinking in the past, you're thinking in the box.

When you get the person beyond that emotional state, and there is an illumination that happens where they all of a sudden have the understanding, the realization, the download, whatever you want to call it, the awakening, uh, by themselves, and that's when it becomes incredibly instrumental. That's the insight that not only just becomes, "Oh, I realize this," but the insight that makes it a visceral level, right, to your body, and your body goes, "Oh, that landed. Like, now I know. Like, now that I know, I can't not know." Right? It became part of you.

Yeah. Exactly. You embody. And what I'm hearing, see, I've been agreeing and just loving all of this. Uh, and we have a lot of the same thoughts. I always think about like, anybody, like I think it's crazy if you took anybody and gave them a massage, gave them rest, gave them good food, gave them sunlight, gave them exercise, gave them meditation. Any person, we're all Enya. I had a joke about this. I go, we're all Enya. Nobody's Metallica. So if I'm hearing you, Metallica, I, I like Metallica. I like music like that. I'm just saying like an internal state. I'd rather be in you. And we all are. And what I'm hearing you say is there's an arc towards this peaceful, spacious. You're saying that's our natural state, and we're adding.

I mean, it's being triggered.

Yeah.

You could hook me up. I think I'd be great at summoning an emotion. I could remember a memory and you'd go, "There it is." You, I know that's what you do. I feel like I'd be particularly good at getting my palms sweaty and my heart, and all that. It's kind of what you do when you act, to be honest. You're trying to recall a feeling.

So, so, so let me just interrupt you here.

No, no, you're the guest.

So, so the, the, the simple credo is believe, behave, become.

Believe, behave, become.

So, we, we do a thing called reconceptualization. Let's just reason with people for a period of time. Give them quantum physics. Give them neuroscience. Give them neuroendocrinology. Give them psychoneuroimmunology, the mind-body connection. Give them epigenetics. Give them electromagnetism. Give them Newtonian physics. But don't make it intimidating. Make it simple enough that they can do this.

Yes.

And then it's not enough to just learn that information. They got to be able to teach it back to somebody. So they learn the information. I say, turn to someone, to the person next to you, and teach that information back to them. So between the two of you, you build a model. You build a model of understanding, right? And all of a sudden, as you review the information, as you remind yourself what you've learned. And mind, according to neuroscience, is the brain in action.

You're making your brain fire in new sequences and new patterns and new combinations. Whenever you make your brain work differently, you're changing your mind.

And so, nerve cells that fire together, wire together. So we begin to install the neurological hardware in the person's brain by having them teach it and,

Teach it and learn it. So learning is making the connection. Remembering is is sustaining that connection. Get enough connections going to produce a level of mind. Nothing's left to conjecture to superstition to dogma. And the person understands exactly what they're doing and why they're doing it. The how becomes easy. And that's when they can assign meaning to the task. Right? So now,

Let's get out of the philosophical. Let's get out of the theoretical realm and now let's apply that information. Let's personalize it. Let's demonstrate it. Let's initiate the knowledge into a practical experience.

If the person can get their behavior to match their intentions and their actions equal to their thoughts, they get their mind and body working together. Now, they're going to have an experience. Now, experience enriches jungles of neurons organized into networks. And the, the side effect of that is the brain produces a chemical, and that chemical is called an emotion. And now you're teaching your body chemically to understand what your mind is intellectually understood. The information is not just in the brain anymore. The information is now in the body. You're embodying the truth of that philosophy. And now that's when it becomes important because that's when you start to signal new gene expression. Right?

And so, if you've done it once, you should be able to repeat the experience. Repeat any experience over and over again neurologically and chemically. You'll neuro and neurochemically condition your mind and body to begin to work as one. And that's when it becomes innate in you. That's when it becomes automatic. That's when it becomes easy that you become subconsciously programmed. Right? So the beha, so believe, behave, and if you get enough people behaving instead of behaving in their limited, self-limited way, and they're embodying it in their over seven days, and they're starting to believe that in their dreams, they're starting to feel like their their future's happening. If you feel like your future's happening, you're no longer looking for it. You're only looking for it when you feel the lack of not having it.

So the person now is changing. And, and in the act of behaving, if they do it enough times, they become it. Right? And now they've mastered the philosophy. They've become the knowledge. Right? And the side effect of that, the consequence of that is all the genes that were downregulated for, uh, disease tend to be upregulated towards health, and the person literally, all of a sudden, has a dramatic remission in their health condition. And the best part about it is they'll say, they say this because we study the language of transformation. They'll say, um, that, that my disease exists in that guy. Like, I'm not that guy anymore. There's a sense of temporality. Like, I'm not him. I'm this person that was the unhappy person.

This is somebody. I'm somebody else. And literally,

Just like a person with a multiple personality disorder that has, you know, an allergy to nylon stockings in one personality and not in another, or type two diabetes in one and not in the other. They're literally have become somebody else.

Are there cases of that? Multiple personalities where they have type two diabetes in one and not?

Yeah. Wow. So, I mean, that's how much our mind influences our body. So, so the immersive experience of retreating from your life.

Um, there's a lot of addictions that people break. And I'm not talking about coffee or sugar. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about emotional addictions.

Because the hormones of stress are an arousal, right? And people become aroused by the, the problems in their life. And they use the problems to reaffirm their addiction to that emotion, right? And they become addicted to the life they don't even like, that identity too.

No, there's a story. And 50% of that story is not even true. Neuroscience says it's, you make it up. So we embellish the story to excuse ourselves from changing, right?

We'd rather be in pain than, I think, stand in infinite potential if we don't know what to do with it.

The known is so much safer than the unknown, right? 'Cause in survival, the unknown is a scary place.

Yeah. So, so the person who actually ventures out into the unknown, the pain of their discomfort is outweighing their fear of the unknown. And that's when they finally say, "I'm, I'm not, I know I can't go back to that. I don't know where I'm going, but I'm not going, I can't go back to that." And that's when they all of a sudden start, uh, seeing themselves through the eyes of someone else. They start noticing how they've been thinking. They become aware of how they're speaking or how they're acting. They're looking at this feeling that they feel every day and they're like, "This isn't loving to me." And this is that kind of dark night of the soul where, you know, no one has the answers but you. And you know, no one's going to get you. No one's going to get you but you. And you got to trust the unknown. And, and so,

My message is, why wait, right? M.

Uh, and so people, people that that truly want to understand that if I change, my life should change. And that's exactly what we see. Some area of a person's life changes when they change. And your gift is, if you'll allow me to tell you what your gift is, but bringing the science of the modern day, like you said, the first step is like, let's talk about endocrinology. Let's talk about all these things. I want you to believe this. I want you to get through the door. And that's the, that's the high watermark of our time.

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Like the secret. Remember, we all loved the secret, or that had a big moment. And I remember watching, I watched the movie version, and it's talking about like, "Sit in a car, the car that you want, and feel it." And, and that, that version of that was like, you're sending this signal. It was like a different metaphor.

It's like you're sending a signal to God who loves you and wants to give, or whatever it is you're saying. What's actually, well, let's reinterpret that. You're changing. You're, you're always feeling stuck. What if you felt limitless? What if you saw a better future for yourself, higher self, best self? What if you, in your meditations, literally took that for a walk? It's not,

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like you're saying that's not necessarily like this beacon to some other deity. It's, we can see it, and we can measure it. A feeling changes. A feeling is like the body understanding something the mind is thinking.

That is perfect. That's exactly what it is.

And then that changes your physiology.

And demystify the process.

Yeah.

So that people,

Demystify. That's right.

So that people have within their reach the tools to make measurable changes in their life. To prove to themselves, not to me, not to you, but to prove to themselves that they're the creator of their life, instead of the victim of their life. Right? And I learned early on, um, that the moment you talk tradition or religion or culture or spirituality, you're going to divide an audience. Someone's going to shut off, or they're going to interpret a word different than the person next to them because of their experience of that. So then I go through great efforts to rename everything in a scientific way so that nobody's excluded. Right? Science can create community because, and, and we do it in such a way that it's not intimidating that, that we have people that are 8-year-old, 8-year-old kids that come and sit through seven days. We have people in their 90s, uh, that sit through a seven-day event, and the value for them is is equal. But the fun part is seeing the 8-year-old talking to the 75-year-old when it comes time to turn and share. And there's something really amazing that happens when we studied this, when young people, when there's a 30-year difference in age, when a young person is interacting with an elder, somehow the wisdom of the elder is transferred to the youth, and the plasticity of the youth is given to the elder, and their brain scans are the, the most, they're the most dramatic, uh, out of when we measure everybody, that kind of coupling that goes on. We ask them to eat lunch together, to share together, to meditate together, and meet at 5:30 in the morning to connect.

Yeah.

And at the beginning, you know, the elders like, "Listen, I need another kid. This kid's not going to work for me." And the youth is like, "I'm not going back to that mean person." Right? And, and so many relationships have cultured to the point where they're still connecting and communicating to this day.

Wow.

And it says a lot about family, and it says a lot about our grandparents, and it says a lot about something right about this kind of diversity.

And so, we, we, we, we use the seven-day immersive experience where you can really retreat from your life long enough to forget about it, to forget completely about it, to create a new one. And so I'm not so passionate about a person sitting in their sports car and dreaming about it. Because what I've discovered, it's not about your wealth. It's not about your health. It's not about your new loving relationship. It's not about your new career. It's not about the mystical experience. It's about who you become.

That's what it's about. And so when you,

When you say that, though, what do you mean?

Because that could mean a lot of things. Who you become? Okay. I'll see how you think of yourself. Well, um, I think we're programmed, uh, in, in the simulation, in the play, that we're waiting for something to happen in our life, our wealth, or, you know, the experience.

We're postponing our happiness.

But, yeah, we're waiting for something to change.

Because the end product of the experience in three-dimensional reality is an emotion. So we're waiting for something to change to take away the lack of not having it. And some people spend their whole life living in lack. And we cannot attract anything in our life that we feel separate from, that we're in lack of. It's impossible. Right?

So the model changes because when you finally have put in your time to think like an abundant person, to act like an abundant person, and to feel like an abundant person, how you think, how you act, and how you feel is your personality. And your personality creates your personal reality. And most people try to create a new personal reality as the same personality. It doesn't work. You have to become somebody else. And the 95% of who we are by the time we're in the middle of our life is a set of hardwired beliefs and perceptions and attitudes, automatic habits and behaviors, and a lot of emotional conditions and addictions. Right? So, so, so unlearning that process and getting into that 95% where we're living automatically and unconsciously, the first step to change is becoming conscious of your unconscious self. And we discovered that's exactly how you become conscious, as catching yourself going unconscious. You know, that sounds like really easy, but when you're sitting with yourself, um, it's so good to sit with yourself and finally really decide if you're really going to buy that thought any longer, or feel that feeling if that's loving to you. Right? So, you can only talk around this. So the person who emerges out of the personality who lives in lack, or the personality who is unhealthy, or the personality who's still living in their past.

Um, when they stop being that person, they unlearn and they relearn, or they break the habit of being that person. And you give them some belief or something to work on, and now they, they, they break the habit of their old self and they start reinventing a new self. Well, how do I want to think? What do I want to believe? Let me remember to believe this way. Let me keep remembering to think this way. And a belief is just a thought you keep thinking over and over again. How am I going to act with my co-workers, with my wife, with my kids? So many people that heal from diseases. And it's crazy the number of people we've seen heal. Uh, so many people, you know, they do their meditation in the morning, and, and, you know, they, they sleep better, they have more energy, uh, you know, they have less pain. Uh, but their values don't change. You know, and they, and they realize somewhere along the line, like, uh, 45 minutes, an hour of a meditation, and then the rest, six, the rest of my day, 16 hours, I'm stressed out, I'm unconscious, I'm frustrated, I'm judgmental, I'm impatient.

Ah, no wonder why my values aren't changing. Okay, what would greatness look like today? What would love do? And they start thinking about, I'm not going to respond or react to my ex or my coworker in the same way, because the only person that that's hurting is me. Like, my response to that person is weakening my body. It's like drinking poison and expecting the other person to suffer, right?

And so the person kind of figures it out and they're like, "Okay, like I cannot respond and react the same way." So they rehearse in their mind, just like, just like anything that we do, just like when you rehearse, rehearse your routine, just like when you rehearse the salsa, just like when you rehearse a, a sporting, for something, you know, with sports, you take time and you rehearse it in your mind. That's exactly what they do. And rehearsal installs circuitry, right?

So, then the person has circuits in place to use. Like, and so they evolve their experience with their ex. And now from that experience, they're not going to feel the same emotion. They may feel compassion. They may feel freedom. They may feel joy. And they're thinking differently now. They're believing differently. They're acting differently. They're feeling different. They're becoming someone else. And so,

So many people that heal from health conditions, it's so amazing. It's, I, I talk to all of them. Well, the majority of them, they, they say to me, you know, "I would have never, I would have never changed. I would have never changed unless I had that diagnosis." Like, they're not victimized by it. They were like, "Oh God, I, that I would have never got serious enough to make a change in my life unless I had, every, I had to go all in, right?" And so that means that they had to believe in themselves, right?

And, you know, like believing in yourself is believing in possibility, right? And,

And many people will say, well, I, I believe in this stuff. H you know, I believe, and I just didn't believe it would work for me.

M. That's a big moment because you got to step out of the bleachers and you got to get on the field, right? And so, so I do think when I say become, I mean literally become someone else. So the person who, who's become that different person, uh, they're so happy with themselves, they could care less if they have the disease. And of course, that's when it goes away because they're not identifying with it anymore.

Right. You know what's really interesting? I think you're uncovering an unconscious belief that I have that I don't think, I don't mean to talk so new-agey, but it's not serving me. I don't think it is. And my belief is, and I think you're going to have something great for this, is that there's an authentic me. If I, my coworker pisses me off, that's authentic, right? Are you saying I'm, I think I'm hearing you saying that's not authentic. That is an addiction or that's a compulsion or that's inherited, man. It's reflexive, but like, I, I don't know if you know the anagram. I'm an Enneagram 4. I really want to express myself. I want to be seen and loved for who I am, damn it. So if somebody is rude to me, I want to be authentic. I, what I'm saying is, and I'd like for you to speak to, there's this feeling I think a lot of people would relate. I don't want to fake it.

Yeah.

I don't want to fake compassion. Are you saying we should fake compassion?

No.

Tell me. Tell me what we do. You're my, we share a cubicle, and you're a turd.

Thank you so much.

At least I am, and you're not. Well, I could be the turd.

No, no, go ahead. I don't mind. I'm the turd.

I keep being a consistent turd to you. And, and how do you, uh, cultivate? How do we get that compassion in action or those higher frequency of?

Yeah. I listen, I never, I, it's authentic to react. I mean, I react, but the fundamental question that I have for myself is, hey, Joe Despensza, how long are you going to react? Because it's really how long you react because if you keep that same emotion going on and feeding it, and feeding it, then you're addicted to it, right? And what are you going to wait for some terminal diagnosis to finally realize it didn't work for you, right? But if you know, once you know, you can't not know. So what I discovered is the stronger the emotion that I have towards the turd, the more I'm going to pay attention to that person. And where you place your attention is where you place your energy. So I'm giving my power away to that person because I'm giving them all my attention. So if a person sees that person as the challenge, instead of seeing that person from the emotional response of the addiction, like they're using that person, their enemy, to reaffirm their addiction to judgment or hatred or resentment or whatever, we all do it. If you're truly in the game of evolution, if that emotion is familiar, you're in your past, right? So then how, what would love do? Like, you may have to read five different books and get a lot of raw materials stored in there, and you got to really think about how am I going to behave differently, right? So if you could lower the volume to your emotional response, you won't pay attention to the turd any longer.

Uh, and now you take your power back. And you actually build a field. We, we measure this, you by you putting your attention back on the present moment, instead of giving having your attention to that person. If you keep lowering the volume to that emotion, you no longer have your attention on that person. Now you have energy to heal. Now you have energy to create. And energy naturally moves into the heart. And you're just like, "Wow, I see a part of myself in that person that I used to be, that I no longer am." And now all of a sudden, the side effect of that is compassion.

The side effect of that is forgiveness. What is forgiveness? It's not like, "Hey, Pete, it's the, uh, the 18th of, 17th of February. I'm forgiving you today. Look at me. This is this is our moment." It's not like that. It's like when you truly overcome the emotion, you're good.

You're good. Like someone like you're good. Like there's no longer a tug any longer. You don't have to forgive.

Yes.

The side effect of it is like, I don't have the response anymore. My attention is in the future now. It's not no longer, uh, in the past. So, so we discovered, uh, when people sit with themselves long enough and they watch their body get aroused in a meditation, instead of going, "I can't meditate, too much to do," whatever. When they feel that arousal, they feel the frustration, they feel the impatience, they feel the, you know, the frustration. Instead of giving up on themselves, they work with their body and they lower the volume to that emotion. They bring the body back into the present.

Body techniques.

Yeah. With our techniques. Breath.

Just, just the fact of laboring for the present moment, seeing the body getting agitated, seeing it get aroused, instead of getting up, working like training an animal, settling it back down, lowering the volume to that emotion.

In the beginning, it's tedious. It's David versus Goliath. But if you stick with it, sooner or later, you're executing a will that's greater than the program because most people lose their free will to the set of programs. So now there's a, there's a, there's a war that's going on between the body and the mind. The mind is 5% going against 95% of what's been programmed. And so you got to climb out of the hole, right? If you sit with yourself long enough, you keep lowering the volumes, the emotion, you catch yourself, your mind wandering, you bring it back. You keep doing this, sooner or later the body, like training an animal, just surrenders. And when it surrenders, it, there's no longer any resentment. I mean, you, you just, you just, you've just taken base metal and turned it into gold. That no one's going to do that for you. You, the only person that's going to do that is you, right? So, when people do this really well and they

return back into their lives and they've overcome their frustration, their impatience, the resentment because they've sat with themselves long enough to catch themselves every time and tempered it and lowered the volume. When they return back into their life, they have less of a response.

>> Where energy naturally moves when we do that is out of the first three hormonal centers of the body and right into the heart.

>> And the person all of a sudden feels really amazing, like they feel this kind of sense of relaxing into their heart. And the more they can relax into the heart, the more this energy kind of moves into their brain. Like their brain starts building better frequency, building more order, building more, uh, uh, um, resonance, right? And so relaxed and awake is the formula.

>> And so you return back into your life and all of a sudden your response to the turd is just like, God, I used to be like that. >> And now I, I just love that person 'cause I see that they're just, they're struggling. And that's a different perspective. You don't, you're not the same anymore, right? You're, there's not a match, you know? You've evolved out of that. So that's the consequence, the side effect of you changing. And when that happens, everything begins to change in your life because nothing changes in our life until we change. And when we change, our life should change. That's the experiment, right? That's, that's the, that's what the play is all about.

>> So we practice in meditation.

>> Yeah, we use, we, we don't, we don't, uh, do mindfulness meditation, we do meditation to be mindful.

>> Yes. We do it so that we stay conscious. Uh, we prime our brain and body, one day, one lifetime.

>> Can I be authentic? What does authentic mean? Authentic may not mean you reacting and being angry. That's, that may be your authentic program.

>> But behind that veneer, >> there's something >> behind that mask is goodness.

>> Yeah.

>> And that's what we discovered. Like, because >> that's so beautiful. By the way, we should take a 10-minute break. Behind that program and that mask is goodness.

>> I, I was talking to our, our head research scientist, uh, just the other day. And he was saying to me, "I hope you don't mind that I'm a skeptic." And I said, "I, I actually appreciate that. Like, I want you to be our greatest skeptic because if you're our greatest skeptic and I can prove you wrong, >> uh, then, then we can face off with any skeptic." And he said, "I, I just don't know. I just don't know how to, you know, put this all in the right place." And so we were kind of sitting there and I was thinking and I was like, "Okay, what if words have the same mechanism of action as drugs?" 'Cause that's what we're discovering. He's like, "That's, that's correct. Actually, words can work better than drugs."

>> What if your thoughts and feelings have the same mechanism of action, the same effects >> as words >> as words and drugs? 'Cause that's what we're discovering. That there's a pharmacy within you. Once, once you're in the right state of mind and body, you could literally, we've done this, teach a person how to program a gene expression without knowing the gene or the protein or anything. When you're in the right state of mind and body, the intention to regulate that gene can serve as information. And the innate intelligence of the body, the autonomic nervous system, the chemical brain, the limbic brain fulfills the order. And so once you know that, right, then the experiment gets even more exciting. So as many ways as we can, right? The idea is to remove the programs, to remove the masks, the veils, the hypnosis, the conditioning, remove those layers. And what comes out, right, around the second or third day >> of a retreat, when a person finally disentangles from the program, is a real sense of goodness.

>> Where there's a light in people, where they do want to love one another, where they do want to be kind to one another. >> Feels like your authentic self. And that's authentic. And, and that's not an effort. Like it's not like >> it's a four-step technique.

>> It's the side effect of doing the work of you >> sitting in the fire.

>> It's removing something, burning something off.

>> It's, it's that's taking away the veneer >> so that there's a light, there's a light that can find a crack and shine through. And it's a different physiology because at the end of seven days, 80% of the people, their gene expression looks like they're living in a whole new environment. They're living in a whole new life.

>> And they're in a ballroom.

>> I don't know about you, I've been in hundreds of thousands of ballrooms and they all look the same. Looks like a big sound booth. So the other thing is >> it's not the ballroom.

>> It's not the ballroom. And then, then if they're making their own endogenous opioids, not, not 2%, not 10%, not 20%, not 50%, not 75%, but 100% of the people that we measure are making their own morphines, their own endogenous opioids.

>> They're making their own neurogenic factors that grow new neurons and grow new connections. They're making their own antiviral chemicals. They're making their anti-cancer, anti-carcinogenic chemicals.

>> And, and there weren't, they weren't in the bloodstream at the beginning of the event. And 7 days later, when we measure, there were all, there's all these new factors, all this new information in the blood. And I keep saying to the scientists, >> "Where is that information coming from? Where is..." They're not taking any morphine. They're not taking any, you know, neurogrowth factors. They're not, they're not taking any anti-carcinogenic chemicals. But they're manufacturing them from within them.

>> Which we know is possible because you were talking about being chased by a T-Rex. So we know that the body enacts certain.

>> Right. So, so, so downregulate the survival system >> and upregulate the divine system.

>> Right.

>> Move out of the animal self, move into the divine self. And then what happens? There's a plethora of information that is secreted >> from somewhere in the body >> that's telling the body that it's living in a nurturing environment, that it's living in a loving environment, that it's living in a new life.

>> Sorry, I never want, I'm, I'm gobbling all this up. So then, so the idea, then, last point is to be able to maintain that modified state of mind and body your entire day. That's the test. One day, one lifetime. From the time you wake up >> to the time you go to sleep. Groundhog day, right? Let's have one lifetime where I don't fall from grace.

>> And it may not be the first day, but at least you're in the game.

>> Now you're like, "Oh my God, when did I lose it? Oh, it was 2:00 today when I reacted. Tomorrow, >> not going to happen." Right.

>> Well, it's like, I, I forget who broke it down into four things. It's like, uh, there's unconscious, there's consciously unconscious. Have you heard this?

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> It sounds like you're talking about like, one of the first baby steps is just noticing, "Hey, I was unconscious. I fell into an old pattern."

>> And, and you're not hard on yourself. Just like when you're meditating, you're not like, "Ah, God damn it, I can't meditate. I knew I couldn't do this." You just breathe and you come back to your center. You come back to some sort of inner source, which isn't an idea.

>> It really does seem to be like a wellspring. Just not believing in that, that belief any longer.

>> And you're going to come right up against it. And >> we're so used to responding to that thought, and it slips by our awareness unnoticed, right?

>> So now here it is, like, there's no >> At least we can see it.

>> Yeah. And there's nobody that's going to help you with that.

>> There's no one that's going to do that for you.

>> You're going to have to like finally say >> Well, Luke has to see his own face in the helmet. Right.

>> Exactly. Like, at what point do you finally say, "This no longer serves me?" Yeah.

>> And you're, and that tedium, that kind of, uh, facing, unmasking, and facing off with the self. It's so much easier to get up and scroll.

>> It's so much easier to make yourself a sandwich. It's so much easier to call your best friend to complain about life. So much easier to distract yourself from that emotion.

>> And, and, and when people go all in for the 7-day immersive experience, um, I can say with such confidence, it's not like a small percentage of people are changing.

>> I'm saying that the majority of people are changing. Now, we measure your face. We measure your voice, the harmonicity, the tone of your voice, the language you use. We measure your brain. We measure your heart. We measure your microbiome. We measure your breast milk. We measure, uh, gene expression. We measure 3,000 metabolites in blood. We measure breath. We measure gait, walk, posture. You know, anything you could think of, we've measured.

>> And at the end of seven days, people's have a different face. Their language is different. 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WTFfulness. Like what is that? Like what is that? Right?

So then now here's the craziest part of it all. If you get your brain, we've we've kind of figured this out because if we could get the person in the right state and we could look at a real-time brain scan and in a real-time brain scan, we can see their brain waves go from like the high arousal like stress is high beta like it's when you're really switched on like you're super alert.

Uh and people use drugs to try to whatever something that computers, you know, devices to try to settle that down. But we can regulate. We can teach people how to slow their brain waves down. If they can get down from beta, which is conscious mind, and slowing down to alpha, kind of like the voice in your head switches off and the brain starts to see in images and pictures, start getting into that imaginary state that's alpha. But the compartmentalization of the brain, how it's divided, all of a sudden starts to synchronize, starts to unify, gets more coherent. A person who stays with it, they'll drop into a brain wave state called theta. And in theta, you're conscious in your subconscious mind. Right? In other words, in theta, the door between the conscious mind and subconscious mind is wide open to information. You're suggestible. It's a hypnotic state. Okay? So, you're in a hypnotic state. Your brain's coherent, but you're not getting information from your environment. You're in a meditation. Your eyes are closed. There's music filling the space, but you're still suggestible. If they're paying more attention to that invisible field of energy and less attention to the material world, more attention on the immaterial and their brain's coherent, there comes a moment where the nervous system connects to that energy. And then all of a sudden, there's a an arousal that takes place in the nervous system, but the arousal is not based on the stressed hormones. It's not fear.

It's not pain. It's not aggression. The arousal is ecstasy. And that person is dipping into source. They're connecting to energy. And that energy is producing an arousal in their nervous system. And they're going into these very, very, very, very, very, very high states of gamma. And gamma superconsciousness. And that person is in ecstasy. They're in bliss. They are connecting to pure love. And our language specialists say there there there is no language in the circuitry in the 3D reality in the simulation that can explain whatever that is. They the only way you can the inevitable part about it is the only way you can try to explain it is through metaphor. Like the top of my head blew off. Lightning was shooting down my fingertips. My heart turned on like an engine. It got so big I felt like it was going to break out blow up out of my chest. I felt every single fiber, every single atom, every single cell of my body vibrating with this electrical current. I felt connected. You know, these are all things you're trying to talk around that moment, right? That elegant moment of you connecting to a level of pure love cuz you know, the the source is pure love, right? No separation.

But it's there's no language in three-dimensional reality to describe it. The coolest part about it I think uh many people when we we see it on the we we look at real-time brain scans we see them move into that low-level theta we could have a scientist from Harvard or from wherever looking at that scan and I can say to them oh boy she's going to pop any second what do you mean oh this is going to be good like we can predict it and all of a sudden you see it like like imagine the brain scan you know like this and you see the brain waves slow down just grab a handful of Crayola crayons and just go like that wow that just looks like snowstorm. Wow. And that person is gamma. Yeah. And that's super gamma, right? So, and so to a neuroscientist that's looking at it, they're thinking seizure to that person. And they're some of them yell seizure cuz you don't see anything like this. And the person who's having the experience is thinking if this is a seizure, this is the best moment of my life. What they say though when they because boy we talk to them and of course they're they have a transcendental moment that's nothing to do with the material world they'll say it was always there I just was unaware of it. That's right. And and and what what's the takeaway? What's the pearl of wisdom? The love that they felt is not coming from the sports car or the partner or the vacation. It was was was within them the whole time. And now they stop looking for it out there and that's when the love affair begins. I was just going to say lovers don't meet each other. They were in each other all along. It's like a beer home. Yeah. It's exactly how it is. You don't discover it. Yeah.

And so so we see that. Now now last point when a person hits gold like that when they hit that moment um it's not the thinking brain remembers dialed down into into thetus. So the the mechanism that plugs us into neoortex that plugs us into threedimensionality lights are out. You take off the VR headset is what happens and you take off the VR headset now you can get upgraded. You can't get upgraded from inside the VR experience. Right? The upgrade comes from outside. Right? So when they go into these elegant states of gamma the the neoortex is dialed way down but the lyic brain the seat of the autonomic nervous system is that's the area that's in high gamma. And now the autonomic nervous system is the automatic autonomous nervous system that controls and coordinates every other system. The cardiovascular system, the digestive system, the reproductive system, the integimementaryary system, the nervous system. Every system in the body is is regulated by the autonomic nervous system. In fact, it touches every single cell in the body except red blood cells. All right? So, think about this. Stress is autonomic disregulation. there's a static on the nervous system and the information that's getting to the cells is incoherent and the cells misbehave. Now you're getting this enormous amount of coherent very high very very compressed super fast frequency of energy that's being infor that's informing matter and every single cell in the body is being informed with new information and the body's lifted by energy lifted by a frequency and there's the eczema and now it's gone there's the Parkinson's now it's gone there's the stage four cancer now it's gone in other their interaction with a greater level of energy, a greater level of wholeness, a greater level of order is bringing their body up to a greater level of order and there's the disease or the imbalance and in a matter of seconds it's gone and and it's amazing the person's getting an upgrade. They couldn't get the upgrade from inside the virtual reality experience matter to matter. They tried the diets, they tried the chemo, they tried the radiation, didn't work. Now, I'm not saying any of that's bad. I'm just saying none of that worked. Somehow their connection to energy and frequency when their brain was coherent and that the and it was dialed down and their heart was coherent and they had that Wi-Fi signal and they were paying more attention to the invisible, the immaterial instead of the material. Uh once they connect to it, there's a transmission of energy. the the energy that the information that's carried on that frequency is transduced into chemistry as information in our biology. And all disease to me is a lowering of frequency or an incoherent message. The entire body is lifted by light. It's lifted by an orderly frequency. And it's kind of crazy because uh in a matter of seconds the person's condition literally they get an upgrade.

And how are they? So you get your Harvard scientist to watch and we're looking at the EKG. Yeah. What is that person doing to to elicit you can hear the self-interest in this? How do you get into that state? Well, that's that's so that's a process that takes place over the seven days. In other words, give people information, enough information. They get the information. Okay, I got it. Push them into the experience. I set up the conditions in the environment. Give them the instructions. They go through it. And then we we evolve it a little bit more. give them a little bit more information. They learn from the experience. Experience is the best professor. You know, it's the only way you're going to learn. Okay? They come out of the experience. I say to them, turn to the person next to you and tell them what you love about yourself that you did really well in that meditation. What clicked for you? What was right? Get another opportunity to do another one. What would you stop doing? How what would you who would you stop thinking about? What would you stop feeling? What would you stop trying to do? Get that down. So, remember not to do that. Okay. Disseminate more information. Have the person have another experience. and step by step as the as the days go on, they're deepening their practice. And so then when they get towards the end of the week, that's when you see these people have these very full-on sensory experiences without their senses. Sounds like a mystical. It's it's so so that's what we're trying to isolate. When we look at our fMRI studies, yes, our fMRI studies of advanced and novice meditators, these are, you know, when we're measuring, you know, very sophisticated instrumentation, not EKG, EEGs anymore, the brain looks like they're on psilocybin. The brain looks like they're they've taken some type of very strong uh hallucinogenic psychedelic, right? And yet they're endogenously making it. So we're trying to isolate now through the breath the isolating DMT and all these other molecules because the person's whatever's going on between their ears is more real than anything they've experienced in their life. That transcendental moment when they come back to Pete um we we don't see things how they are. We see things how we are. Right? So the brain is kind of shaped equal to what we've experienced as known in threedimensional reality. But their information that they got is outside of threedimensional reality. all of a sudden their spectrum of reality tends to broaden. They're beginning to see what they what always existed but they didn't have the circuitry to perceive it. Right? So they start to see the divine or they start to see beauty or they start to see things in a very different light in a very different way. And so it's a methodical process like we would never shoot for that on the first day because there's a lot of unlearning and deprogramming that has to go on. But once we get kind of towards the middle of the week of a week-long event, then you know all of a sudden we can start teaching that a little bit more. Uh and in what our what our fMRI studies also show is when you don't expect it to happen, that's when it happens. That's amazing. It really is amazing. That reminds me of the quote. It's like if enlightenment, we're just going to talk about this as a quote. If enlightenment is an accident or if it's grace, but it's like a divine accident. Why do we practice? And the teacher says to be as accidentrone as possible. Yeah. Yeah. One of the youth said to me the other day, is it that like I had an incredible experience? Is it that was it that one meditation that created was all the was I've been doing the work. Is it all? I said both. Yeah. Was both like you would have never had that experience if you missed one. Right. If you decided not to do it, you've never had that experience until maybe until a later time. So you never know if you could predict it would be the known, right? And so, so you got to lay down the very thing you used your whole life to get what you want for something greater to occur. And that's not something you learn in one swing. It takes a lot of practice. It takes a lot of practice.

The purification, you know, I I I feel like we're the same. We don't really need anything purified, but like meaning who you actually are is totally good. Yeah. But there does need to be a little bit of a a lowering yourself or a covering of your head. I know you don't speak in spiritual terms and I love that, but like there does seem to be like let's get let's clean up before we wake up in the same area. Yeah. Or I mean I mean if you're going to meet the divine, the only place you're going to meet it is in love. Yeah. So then that means anything that's not love in us must die, you know? I mean that's the hard part about that, right? Uh you know, in order for us to find love, a part of us must die, right? And and I think that's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path, right? So, so there is this kind of neurological, biological, neurochemical, hormonal, genetic death of an old self the first couple days because you're not firing and wiring the same circuits. You're not producing the same thoughts that make the same chemicals that signal the same genes. And there's this kind of enormous amounts of disorder, dissonance that's going on in just every single system in the body that that novelty is chaos, right? It's unpredictable order. The person's out of out of order, right? And and so when that happens for most people, what is the first thing they do? They rush back to the known, right? And they, oh my god, this feels so much better. I didn't like that. But if you can hang with that long enough and you give people something to do, get their brain coherent, and we've got that pretty figured out now. Pretty well figured out now. Get their heart coherent. We got that pretty figured out right now, too. You're going to take all that energy that's disorderly, and you're going to reorganize it, and the person's going to go like, "Wow, I feel really good. Like, I feel really good." like 63 different diseases we study every single disease that we study 63 of them pain and fatigue go away that's why we started studying the endogenous opioids could it be possible we were sitting around talking you know one day in in in Austria in Vienna like how is that possible like all these different diseases and pain and uh fatigue you know energy goes up and pain uh pain goes down. Like, is it possible they're making their own endogenous opioids? Let's measure. There was dinorphine. This one particular type of endorphin was in such great concentration, Pete, that we had to dilute it to be able to measure it like like and what is what do what do endorphins do? They make us very relaxed. They give us this sense of euphoria and they diminish pain. so relaxed and awake. It's so much better than being stressed out, unconscious, and living in a program. So, so in the weeklong retreats, it's not enough to just sit and do the meditation. We got to get people up, get them standing up and doing exactly what they were doing, sitting down with their eyes closed. They got to open their eyes now. Now, they got to physically embody it. They got to practice walking as it. I mean, if you're going to be healed, you got to walk in the glory of being healed. That's the only way you're going to heal. If you want to be abundant, then you got to leave the character that's living in lack behind. And you got to you got to become that person at the end of the walk with your eyes open. Why? So that when you walk back into your life, you're embodying that change, right? And no person, no problem, no circumstance, no condition in your life is going to move you from that state. Reminds me of mask work. You know how tribes will put on a mask and then act a certain way. Absolutely. Become something. Yeah. And and and why why would that why would the medicine man or why would why would the elder do that to to embody the the wis the wisdom of the deity that they were becoming or maybe even if they were looking for a herd of buffalo. Yeah. You would have to become the buffalo to know. That's right. And they would say they're over there. Right. They are the mind that they they connected to that mind or the flock is over there. Right. That's where we're going. Right. They they had the wisdom. Right. So, right, they took on they took on another another consciousness. But remember how uh the the jungle told the shaman how to make Iawaska, right? Like the root and the bark. Like why did they know of all the thousand? And it's because there's like this field that they were tapping into. I know people get uncomfortable with this. I love that seems to be happening. But but like that that kind of opens up our minds to uh ancient traditions where you see these you see these practices that you have no idea like they didn't have cell phones. Yeah. They didn't have technology. So they were using the rhythm the consciousness of the earth to connect to it. I mean, you could you could teach your children at Halloween that if they could embody the character of whoever they want to be. I did it with my kids and and the and they made their own costumes and they put all their attention on it and they were focused on it and they talked about it and I did it with them and I I had crazy moments like where I just took on the mind of whatever I whatever I became and had crazy things happen. And to me, the synchronicities Yeah. The coincidences. Yeah. The opportunities. Yes. That happen as a consequence of kind of experimenting. Yeah. And that's also a disruption, right? I mean, talk about breaking the habit of being yourself. You're dressing as somebody else, laying down that character and taking on another consciousness. But I mean, like, when the synchronicity happens, it's saying, Pete, it's the truth. Like, you are creator. Like, pay attention. Like, I'm here's a breadcrumb. And it's not I'm not talking about finding a penny on the ground or getting a parking space or your college roommate calling you because you thought about that's small potatoes. Like those are that's that's in the level of consciousness that everybody accepts. I'm talking about that full-on experience where you just go did anybody see what did you and I have so many not to brag but like we have so many synchronicities sometimes they're almost frightening. You know there's almost a moment where you're like oh I don't want to think about that too much. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm don't jinx it. Don't jinx it. Well, but but like but like that's why that's when the experiment gets good because when you're creating from the field instead of from matter, you can begin to shorten the distance between the thought of what you want and the experience of having it. It takes less time and you don't have to go and do it to get it to have the experience. Somehow they're coming to you. Now, I don't know about you, I've done it the other way long enough. So, when the synchronicity or the opportunity happens and it kind of whacks you over the head, that's the that's the awakening. Oh, Pete, you're not the victim anymore. You're the creator. So, like, so then now it's no longer like, "Oh, shucks. I got to go create my life." And people in our community do the work. I'm so proud of this. They do it because they don't want the magic to end. They don't like Look at there are things working for me. Like, I'm going to keep going. You can't go back. Like, so they make the time. Like, they set their cell phone down and they do the work because that's more important to them to prove to them. Yeah. This the creator.

Alita, you're going to love this. This is the last thing. No, I know it's not you. It's a sketch. She's having a stress response. I could just see. She's like, "No, it happens. It happens." And it drags you out. I spend so much of my time reading about non-duality and and my true self being awareness. That is my number one, right? I did it this morning. and what I'm doing. So, I'm very familiar and I'd just love to hear you comment on this. I'm very familiar with knowing that the mind can't come that what what I'm trying to discover about myself or live in the mind will never be fully satisfied. It's never going to come. The the problem isn't solved in the mind. There's something else and I know it. I taste it over taste it. But, you know what I mean? and time doesn't exist and I'm it right now and I'm never not it and it's it's just the I thought and all these other beliefs swirl around it and I I get a little lost but the truth is you're never not that I understand that but I'm I think one of the reasons I'm vibing with everything you're saying is my number one interest is trying to go look your brain will never be satisfied there's an experience outside of the brain and you are that and my brain goes but what about this one of my favorite teachers goes a question like that any question emerges in awareness is satisfi and retreats back into awareness and you are left as you were answer can we just relax into it. Do you see a parallel here? Yeah. I mean this is a I'll see if I can make I was just talking to my oldest son about this a little ways back. You know, I think I think um if you can take every uh if you can take all of your attention off of everything physical and material Mhm. And if you can take all of your attention off of everything known, then you're left with the unknown, right? And you're left with the immaterial, right? And so there are certain moments where you'll connect with that consciousness that's transcendent of our thinking mind that's kind of programmed into materialism. Uh and you'll have like a you'll pop through the veil. You'll break through a certain level of consciousness or unconsciousness. And sometimes you'll be like that was amazing. Like and then other times you won't. Right? and and it's it's uh it I think it's the the constant questioning, the constant uh engaging, the constant revisiting uh building the model, tearing it down, rethinking about it. I think the contemplation process as we were talking about is the building process neurologically in the brain. It all helps, right? So, so I don't think it's linear. That's the thing, right? like I have to be okay with the kind of dry spells that we have and and I used to get frustrated with myself because like I was expecting more of myself but during those dry spells it was when I was changing the most. Yeah. It was like like remember the mother father principle is a very wise parent and it's going to kind of dangle the carrot way out there and like you want it come get it like but you got to have to show up for this one. M you're going to have to really put in your time here. And so like when I go through those periods, I go right back to learning because if I'm doing it and and I'm not remembering what I'm doing and why I'm doing it, uh I'm not present. I'm just it's just another thing that I'm doing. So when my when it loses the luster, I'll get back into reading and learning and going, "Oh my god, like, oh, I forgot." Now I go back into I'm revitalized like, "Oh my god, I just forgot about all that. And so so so our environment kind of waters us down into the kind of like this this kind of level of consciousness that is social consciousness, right? It's so then we got to work back up to like learning that information really thinking about it. You have a your your wife Val, your partner, you can get in there the after dinner whenever the kids are asleep and you can go, "Oh my god, like, I'm thinking about this thing. Help me understand this. Like, help me really understand this." That is so it's so much better than the news flaw. Yeah. It's it's not a flaw. It's like as I said, we're not programmed. We don't have the circuitry for this. It's we we forget it so much easier than we remember. Right. So, but if you truly are engaged in evolution, right, for me, when I lose the luster, I go back to learning. When I lose the luster, I go back to the basics. I go back to the basic stuff, not the ethereal stuff. There's something in my foundation. Because if I'm looking for it, I'm separate from it. Right? If I'm looking for it means I'm that I'm separate from the experience. I got to get so I got to get so lost in the act that the act creates the experience. And and again like I I I can't expect it to be today. I'm just like I knew if I'm satisfied with myself, Yeah. I know that that's the progress. If I'm unsatisfied with myself, I know that's the progress. that the discomfort from not being satisfied with myself or anybody if you're truly on the journey is going to drive you to find a solution to that, right? And that's like that's when you love yourself. You're like, "Oh my god." Like the dry spell was so worth it. That's what people like they have this moment, right? Where they kind of have that connection, the download, whatever they want to call it, and they could have had the most abusive past in their in their, you know, anybody you've ever met. all kinds of abuse, you know, suicidal, you know, all kinds of health conditions, horrible past. And when they have that moment, they look back at their past and they're like, "Oh, I don't want I would never change anything. I I would never change any of that. It got me right to here. I understand. I had to go through all of that for this moment." And that's when it all makes sense cuz you're now you're seeing your past from a different level of consciousness. In in a sense that elegant moment is removing the past. The body's moving into the present moment. It's no longer in the past. And now the person's seeing their betrayers. Yeah. From a place of love and they're just like, I love them. I totally I understand like they're no longer victimized by their past. They're liberated. And that's when the soul is free, right? Cuz the soul can't go to the next adventure if it's tacked to the past emotionally. So that's the beauty behind the work is that when people start overcoming their emotions, they feel like they've lived lifetimes. So So again, it's not linear, but the but the process of change of process of revisiting, tearing the model down and building it up again. Like that's just like, you know, any great golfer does that. Like they're at the top of their game and they just break their swing down and they start all over. Like why would you do that? Like my daughter's an artist and like what are you doing? Like I love that. No, no, I'm done with that. What do you mean you're done with that? I love I'm finished. That's not me anymore. Now, I used to laugh at that. Now, I listen to a meditation I did 5 years ago and I'm like, "Oh my god." Like, oh my god. Like, oh, please put that away. Don't Don't you like just outgrow things and people It's beautiful. And then you just outgrow it. So like So you're incorporating your life. Yeah. And so like we have all of eternity to figure this out. Like we have all of eternity to figure this out. And if I can remember that. Yeah. If I I then my my impatience uh I can turn it into a virtue. I could be like what's the rush Joe Despensza? Like you're here. You got 10 fingers, 10 toes. You're breathing. You're conscious. You're doing pretty good. Like stop it. Like stop being a big baby. You're not that good. Like just get over it. You're not that good. And like and and and then I'm like then it becomes humorous like oh poor you didn't have a mystical experience this week. Oh poor you. How's that working out for you? Cuz you're walking around like anything but the mystic today. Right. So so two steps forward, one step back, four steps forward, two steps back. It's never linear. It's just I I think the mystery of all of that kind of makes it exciting. And I just think this time right now in history, there's so many people that are understanding that like there's more to us. Yeah. There's no this not this I've been doing this since 1999. Like and like uh in the early 2000s, nobody wanted to listen to me. They were like, I'm going to go get my colonic and read my astrology chart, you know, like it was like ice baths. Yeah. But then all of a sudden Yeah. Exactly. and and then like there's just such a level of comprehension now information is the internet this is the upside this is the upside people are informed so I walk out to an audience and they they they already know a lot of stuff right so how can we reorganize that in a way that makes it practical because I'm a pragmatist I'm not going to talk quantum superp position and not like say what how's this going to affect my life in some way like I want to know like what's the practical part of this? So help me understand the practicality of it. So the mystery, you know, the mystery the is that's the unknown like that should be driving us like cuz cuz I think everybody reaches a certain point where they finally say, "Is this it? There's got to be more than this." And if you can predict the feeling of everything in your life, you're in the known. Yeah. You're stuck. And that's why people can't get out of bed in the morning, right? Got to get a soul may say, "Let's shake it up. Let's give you a diagnosis. Let's get a betrayal. Let's get a loss. Let's get, you know, something happened that's really going to disrupt it. Let's disrupt it because your evolution is more important than the whatever it is. Yeah. So, I again, I don't claim to have all the answers. I'm just trying to place it in a way that that allows us to not be so hard on ourselves to say, "Oh, well, why isn't this happening?" But it's not happening. Like, go at it again. Relearn again. It's like your model's not complete, right? And I hear humility in that too. You're not that good. That That's the funniest thing you said. You're not that good. We all laughed at that. It's like sometimes you just have to say that. It's okay. Be humble. Be humble and and and then be honest and then start learning. Yeah. Yeah. I like that. Okay. Look, I found a gap wherein Dr. Joe Despensza can say, "Keep it crispy." Which is the funniest thing to say. It's just It's just how the I We could talk forever. We have to go. We have to go, guys. It's time. It's time. Thank you. No. didn't I mean I had high expectations and you exceeded them. So, thank you for being here and what a joy to share this with people and I know they're going to love it. We had the guest say the catchphrase to end. It's keep it crispy. It doesn't mean anything. It's not a trick. Would you say keep it crispy? I I would say live life uh like you like you love it. Oh, yeah. Instead of keep it crispy. I don't know. You I love that. Live life like you love it. Yeah. That would keep it crispy. No, that would keep it crispy. Okay, it was in there. Look, we did it both ways. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you a million times. No, thank you, Pete. What a fun. Let's go eat tacos. You want to eat tacos? Okay, let's go. You made it. You made it. Oh, yeah. You made it. You made it. You made it. Oh, yeah. You made it. You made it. You made it. Oh yeah. You made it. You made it. You made it. Oh yeah.