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Hello everyone, and good evening. We are continuing our studies. Today is already our second lesson. And I, you know, now that it's the second lesson, I'm already realizing that I'm starting to remember some faces. I understand that in about a month, I will already be able to remember everyone who at least connected with us via camera. Today, we will go through two classes, and after each class, we will have 15 minutes for questions and answers. I will try to keep it within 45 minutes. And the first class we will have today is called exactly that: Pastor and Chaplain. 12 Key Differences. Why is this important? I will use the word "pastor." Although I understand that in the practice of different churches, not everyone uses the word "pastor." Some use the word "presbyter" for the leader of a church or religious organization. Some use the word "priest," some may use other titles, but I will use "pastor." And using the word "pastor," please feel free to implement it according to your own church tradition, as it sounds in your church. The position of the leader of a local church community. Why is this important? Because personally, I have told you my story, my life, my calling, my ministry. And for over 20 years now, my life has been connected with pastoral ministry. I know what it's like to open a church, what it's like to be a senior pastor, what it's like to be a second pastor, what it's like to do episcopal ministry. But in general, I understand that for every chaplain, it is very important to understand where their zone of church leadership is, and where the zone of leadership in their direct responsibility in law enforcement agencies is, or directly in the area of chaplaincy for which we are preparing. And when I say the word "pastor," you can simply call any spiritual leader. Yes, perhaps because when I looked at the applications, I saw that in our group, there are many people who hold various leadership positions, or leading positions in their church communities. And you can simply place your leading position in the church and the chaplain, and we will look at how to work with this correctly. Because on the one hand, we will see that there is a lot in common, and we will talk about that too, but there are also many differences that you always need to remember. Because, for example, when I say the word "clothing," well, like clothing, clothing is for everyone, right? But when we understand, there is, for example, clothing for sports, right? And when we want to do sports, go, I don't know, run around playing football, then, of course, we put on clothes that are comfortable for playing football. It's unlikely, I think, that men would go play football or volleyball in a shirt, in trousers, in a nice jacket, right? So, as a rule, it will be more casual or sportswear. Why? Because we understand that we have different roles. And every person in life performs different roles, right? There is the role of a father in the family, a husband, or a wife. There is also the role of a church minister, right? Because many of you, in fact, the vast majority are leaders in your communities. But there is also the role of a chaplain, and it has differences from the role of, I don't know, a father, an employee, a company director, or even a church minister or pastor. But in order. Let's first look at what is common, because between the role of a chaplain and a church leader or minister, there are some common things. First, first, what is common is that both chaplaincy and pastoral ministry are spiritual leadership. And in principle, a chaplain, no matter how much they might not want to, is perceived as, of course, a spiritual person. First and foremost, yes, meaning it is understood that a chaplain is different from all other people, right? Who might be a secretary or someone who works in HR or somewhere else. Because, you know, not everyone even knows what the word "chaplain" means. Yes, not everyone understands it, but nevertheless, we are talking about the fact that everyone somehow feels that it is something connected with the divine, yes, with the spiritual, yes, with the light. So, directly, we are talking about the fact that chaplaincy and pastorship are spiritual ministries. Next, what connects them is that it is a calling, right? It is not just a position, it is not just a job, as they say, right? But it is a ministry to people and a calling. Because, well, when we talk about a chaplain, we understand that we expect that the person comes there out of a calling of the heart. Not just because they wanted to wear, I don't know, a uniform or gain some kind of experience, right? But first and foremost, they have a desire to serve people. And in the last class, we talked about what kind of ministry a chaplain performs. Therefore, of course, understanding that this is a ministry and that it is a calling, we must also treat it accordingly. And we understand that a calling is not just, you know, a person temporarily came and is doing something, well, you know, twisting and turning, as they say. For example, in work, many people, they come, well, let me take some profession. Not in any way, as they say, demeaning anyone, but just the fact, right? When, for example, a person comes, well, for example, they need a job and they say: "I want to be, I don't know, a barista, to make coffee." Yes, in principle, it's a great thing, and it's great when people know how to make coffee. But we understand that, well, to get basic barista skills, you need a couple of days of practice with the machine, and you'll already understand how to make a cappuccino, how to make a latte, how to make other drinks, right? So you can start working very quickly and, well, qualify, right? And for many people, yes, there are baristas who dedicate their whole lives to it, but many people work in cafes as some kind of special youth for many. For example, here in the United States, it's a temporary job. They come while they are students, they earn extra money, and so on, and so on. So I want to say, there is no such thing in chaplaincy. Chaplaincy is like, you know, if a person, for example, wants to be a pilot, and it's a long journey. For this, you need, well, it's years that you invest and to become a better pilot, right? By accumulating flight hours, or, for example, a surgeon. You can't become a surgeon in two days, right? You study for five years, and then you have practice, and then you go. And actually, to become a great surgeon, you need to dedicate a lot, a lot of your, well, let's say, a part of your life to it. And also, when we talk about both pastoral and chaplaincy, it's not done in two minutes. And we are talking about the fact that, for example, in our situation, it takes several months. The path between you studying, then undergoing practice, and then we have a positive feedback about you, and only then you begin your ministry as a chaplain. And then, of course, you can grow in it, become a leader yourself, and so on, and so on. But it's a long journey. And indeed, it's a calling, like, you know, as I gave you the example of medical professionals. Once a pastor said: "You know, all doctors are divided into three categories, right? The first is a doctor called 'from God.' The second category of doctors is called: 'Well, with God.' And the third category is 'God forbid.'" You know, all doctors can be divided like this, right? From God, with God, and God forbid. And also, well, it can be like that with a chaplain, right? A chaplain from God, with God. And God forbid such people who, let's say, want to be in chaplaincy. So, of course, it's a joke, but we are talking about the fact that it is a calling. And third, what unites chaplains and church leaders or ministers, right? Is responsibility to society. We understand that society has demands for behavior, for moral qualities, right? And for how a person, for example, if a person is a priest or a pastor of a church, right? Then, of course, people expect something from them, right? No one expects them to, excuse me, stand in a minibus and, well, use vulgar language, right? Why? Because, well, society has expectations that a person who becomes a pastor has a certain high moral standard, a high moral bar, right? And, for example, again, without demeaning any profession, just stating facts, right? For example, if a person who simply works, for example, at an enterprise, right? And they live in a city, work at an enterprise, and somehow in the evening they walk, you know, a bit drunk with colleagues, and sing some songs, you know, well, they walk, and that's it. Well, and no one will particularly, if they are not hooligans, pay attention. But if it were, for example, a church pastor, who after the service would walk a bit drunk and sing around the city, then at that moment, the next day, everyone would know about it, and all the newspapers would say: "Oh, this happened." Why? Because there are certain societal expectations. And always when a scandal occurs that is related to a priest, a church minister, a pastor, or a chaplain, it all has a rather serious public resonance. Therefore, what unites these positions is responsibility to society. We can look for many more things, but I understand that due to limited time, I would like to talk about the main ones. Yes. Also, for example, when we talk about differences, there are more than 12, but I am talking about 12 basic and key ones that we will discuss. And we will also look at the differences. So, what is the difference between the ministry of a church pastor and a chaplain, right? When should you change this role, right? Or, as we say, change clothes and understand: "Stop, you are no longer a pastor here, you are a chaplain here." Or vice versa, you are no longer a chaplain here, but you are a pastor, right? Meaning, you cannot be in the same state, in the same way, in both roles. You must know how to, as they say, change hats. Americans have such an expression, right? To change hats. Meaning, you had one hat on, and now you need to put on another hat. And so, the first difference we will talk about today is personal views. Look, here's why it's important. When a pastor serves in a church, then, as a rule, the community they serve, their views on life, on spiritual matters, on moral principles are more or less on the same wavelength. Do you understand? Yes? So, we understand, for example, I am a pastor of a church, and I understand that, let's say, the vast majority of my congregation, they are people who absolutely share my views on God, share my views on certain church practices, or on the behavior of a Christian, or, hypothetically, on theological issues. In principle, we have, as a church, a place where people have common views. But when you go as a chaplain, for example, you come to some new department, it doesn't matter if it's the police, the fire department, or the department of corrections, and so on, you come to a new department, and you must understand that the people there are not your church community, and they will not have the same views as you. Because you are used to serving in a church, and you tailor everyone to these views, and you generally understand that these people more or less share them. But when you become a chaplain, you come to people, and you start serving people who may have completely different views on life, different views, I don't know, on family life, on married life, different views on faith. Even within your, as they say, area of work or ministry, there may be people who don't believe in God at all, right? And they are agnostics, right? But they are also people you care about. Or they follow some other, you know, faith, religion, or beliefs. Maybe they live by horoscopes, I don't know. But these are very different people. And therefore, in the ministry of a pastor and in the ministry of a chaplain, there is a difference in that in pastoral ministry, you serve a community that largely shares your views. In chaplaincy, you serve a community that largely has different views, and they can differ greatly from yours. And you cannot take everyone and comb them through your template or your framework. The next difference is primary authority. Look, when a person takes on pastoral ministry, for example, I took on pastoral ministry, or some of you took on pastoral or diaconal ministry, where does your primary authority come from, or from whom? It can be, yes, from the local church, or perhaps if your church is part of some association, then, accordingly, you have primary authority from that association. If you were sent as a missionary, right? Which you represent, meaning there is an association of churches, and you operate in that city or village. Why? Because you were ordained there, blessed, and your primary authority was given to you either by the church or by your religious association. Look, in our situation, the primary authority of the church or association extends only to the educational process. Yes, in the educational process, yes, we asked for your recommendation and so on, and so on. But when you start working in a department, or in some department, or in some unit, you must understand that you will work there because the primary authority will be given to you by the head of the department. And if they don't want your presence there, or if they consider your presence to be destructive, unconstructive, and not unifying the team, listen, regardless of whether you are from the best church, perhaps you graduated from the best Christian university, perhaps you were even ordained as a bishop, right? But all of that won't work there. If, hypothetically, you, as a chaplain, cannot build a healthy relationship with the leadership, then nothing will happen further. Why? Because your primary authority as a chaplain working in the department where you will be located will be provided by the head of the department, and you will be there because they want it. They believe, yes, we have relationships, they will ask for recommendations from us and so on, and so on, but first and foremost, it is their personal decision and their personal desire. Next, the third difference is, we are talking about subconscious expectations. Look, it happens that when you are in church ministry, in pastoral ministry, then the people with whom we usually work, we, well, want these people to become part of our local church. For example, yes, we had a festival in our church last week, we called it the Plov Festival. People came to us, well, it was a separate project. And of course, we invited people to our local church, right? And that's normal practice, that's great. And we subconsciously expect that the people who came to our festival, our celebration, might want to be in our church next Sunday. But when you work as a chaplain or perform chaplaincy, you need to exclude this option from your, let's say, expectations. Why? Because you must understand that the issue is not about your local church today. It can happen, and it does happen, that a law enforcement officer or a police officer wants to come to your church or join. That's not bad, that's great, and we will rejoice with you. But understand, you will not be the only chaplain. There will be different chaplains from different churches, from different religious communities. And as we discussed, we support, we respect, we elevate the authority of everyone. And we do not expect that law enforcement officers, you know, if I served them, they must, they are now obliged to come to me. Nothing of the sort. You served, you served in this case as a chaplain, not as a pastor. Therefore, you do not have this expectation. Because, for example, when I started ministry directly with law enforcement officers in Mariupol, I lived in Kyiv at that time. And the church I attended was in Kyiv, but I traveled to Mariupol all year round. And I understand that these people whom I served will never come to my church. They will never be part of my church. But I was very happy just from the fact that I saw the results of God's work and the manifestations of God's kingdom in their lives. And I was very happy about that. So, if a church pastor, all the projects they do, evangelism, or some kind of, as Americans say, events, and they subconsciously expect that these people might just come to their church, then a chaplain must exclude this, not focus on it, and serve people and rejoice for them. Regardless of whether they will be in your church or not, or perhaps they will simply be like Nicodemus for you, like secret disciples, for whom you simply serve and truly bring them God's love. Next, appearance. Look, as a pastor or church minister, I have a certain dress code, right? So, and I know that we have both men and women. And men and women have their own dress code, with which you serve. For example, I really like to wear a shirt. I really like to wear suits. I come to church like that, I preach like that, I perform like that. This is my church role. But when I am a chaplain, I must, I don't go, you know, to the police or to a law enforcement unit in a suit, in trousers, in a white shirt. I must change my appearance. I must wear tactical clothing. Yes. So, if we are talking about, we usually have people who serve in police units, they use black or dark blue clothing. If we are talking about tactical, people who serve in the correctional department, they, like employees, wear olive or green uniforms. Accordingly, a person uses tactical green uniforms. And perhaps it's very nice for you girls, you have nice dresses. You have nice shoes. But when you go on duty as a chaplain, you must look the same as the people you serve. And if, frankly speaking, you will have to, you know, love tactical uniforms, in which you will dress. Perhaps they are not as elegant, perhaps they are not, you know, someone, for example, we have businessmen, right? And you have some business style or something else, but in this case, being a chaplain, you will have to change your appearance. The same applies to hairstyles, right? Especially if it concerns women, right? So perhaps someone likes to do their hair in a very beautiful way, but you understand that when you go on duty, you have a very simple hairstyle, or you can tie it in a ponytail, or just comb it neatly, but you won't go with something extravagant or with a bouffant, and so on, and so on. So you should have a hairstyle that allows you to easily put on a cap or simply not look too out of place. Because, for example, especially when you arrive for duty or for some calls, or visit people, or come to a domestic violence situation, your appearance should not draw all the attention to yourself. So it won't be huge earrings, or a necklace with a chaplain's uniform, or something else, right? So that's clear, but we are talking about it. Also, if we talk about the use of hygiene products, then, of course, you need to always go on duty, feel that you have a fresh body, that you use deodorant, I don't know what you use, but don't use too much perfume, right? Because maybe you have such a cool one, I don't know, you were given Savage or something else, and you just want a trail of Dior to follow you, well, you'll have to change a bit, right? Perhaps in your office it's okay, but in chaplaincy, it won't be quite okay. So there will be such moments. All questions, we will answer later in writing, if you remember, do not raise your hand, just write them down, I will answer further. Use of discipline. Look, as a pastor or church minister, you can use discipline, right? If a person behaves, well, inappropriately, right? For example, you can, every church has different discipline, but you can: "Ah, your people whom you serve, you can put them on notice or, hypothetically, remove them from ministry, you can even excommunicate them, you know, so each church has different discipline and for different, let's say, manifestations and so on, and so on." So I want to say that as a chaplain, you must understand, you do not have the tool of discipline for the community you will serve as a chaplain. None. You are not their boss, you are not their leader. And it is not within your power. In the church, you can have this authority, but there, you do not have this authority. And if, hypothetically, in the church, a deacon stood and smoked cigarettes in front of the entrance, you would come and say: "You are a deacon, what are you doing?" And there, well, if it's not practiced in your church, and perhaps you would put him on notice, but if a police officer were standing and smoking, in the smoking area, you don't come and grab his cigarette and start your conversation with: "What are you doing smoking like that?" At that moment, you are not his direct, if possible, turn off the microphone. You are not directly his leader, right? Therefore, accordingly, you cannot impose discipline. And if you immediately come and start imposing your beliefs and views when you are not asked about them, you will immediately, as a chaplain, simply lose trust. I'm telling you right away, remember, write down, engrave, whatever you want. Do not give, as they say in Russian, advice, or as in Ukrainian, it's "поради" [porady], advice. Do not give advice that no one has asked you for. Just in large letters, do not give advice about smoking. If you are asked: "Listen, why don't you smoke?" And you can say: "Why don't you smoke?" Or why are you like that? But if you are not asked for advice, well, don't butt in with your advice, right? Meaning, they should be with you. You are not in the church to teach them everything. You are not a teacher who flew in there, right? You came to serve. Therefore, the use of discipline also, a chaplain does not have such levers and such authority. Next, formal leadership. I specifically use the word "formal" because, well, not informal leadership, but there is formal leadership. What does formal leadership mean? We understand that a church leader, for example, is its formal leader, right? Meaning, for example, a pastor, is formal, yes, on paper, according to documents, he is the head of the religious community. Or if there is a deacon, he is the head of some area of work or ministry, right? So, in principle, a pastor is used to perceiving himself as a leader, right? And he is a formal leader, and he can give orders and so on, and so on, and so on. Look, when you come to a department, you must exclude the formal leader within yourself, because you will never be and should not be a formal leader. The formal leader of the department is the head, the head of the department, right? That is their commander, their combat leader. That is the formal leader, not you. And you should not, even if you are a bishop, and you come to, hypothetically, the police or somewhere in a law enforcement unit, right? You don't need to act like a big leader, even if you become a chaplain in the chaplaincy patrol, in our chaplaincy service, maybe you will become a leading chaplain or a senior chaplain. Perhaps you will become, you will join the leadership team, but even as a leader, you must understand that when you go on duty, you are a humble person, a simple humble person, a chaplain who serves. For example, a couple of weeks ago, we went on patrol with police officers. There is a city in South Carolina called Summerville. You can find it on the map. The head of the Summerville police, or in America, they call him the chief of police, is in our team. He is directly the person who is in the international committee of our chaplaincy service, right? Meaning, and he is their leader. Despite all this, he is part of our team. We have very good, very close relationships with him. And when I came, I came, for example, for evening duty with police officers, I sat in a police car. I rode with a police officer, who had only worked for four months, right? Meaning, he was new there, right? He himself was just a new patrol officer in America. I am a person who, hypothetically, has international experience, expertise. And his direct supervisor is, well, my friend, with whom I can resolve many issues very closely. But when I get into the car, I get in as a chaplain who serves him. And in the car, I am not the center of attention, but he is. I am not number one, but he is. And I must understand, I am not his formal leader. I should not act like that. Even if I have connections, I have friendship, I have expertise, and so on, and so on, and so on. Perhaps I can influence many things, but when I get into the car, get in and simply patrol with him, I watch, I ask him, I ask questions, I ask about his life, about his interests, right? So we came to different calls. I was always number two. I would ask if I could get out, if I couldn't get out, how would you like me to do it, and so on, and so on. So I maximally convey that in our crew, the main person is not me, but him. Even though he has only worked for four months. And I have a lot of communication and everything in the world, right? But I must understand, as a chaplain, I am never the formal leader of the department. The formal leader of the department is the chief, the head. And everything else, yes, is informal. You can be perceived, respected, and so on, and so on, but you must remember this. And a pastor is a formal leader. Next, when we talk about obedience, it's exactly the same as a continuation, right? That usually, pastors or church leaders are used to being obeyed. And when he speaks, his word must be obeyed. So when you become a chaplain, you must change, turn that hat inside out, and understand, from this moment on, you will have to obey. And every time I want to do something, and as I said, I ask, I ask for permission, if it's okay, if it's not okay, because there are situations, you know, for example, you arrive at a domestic violence call, right? So what is domestic violence? Meaning, you are driving, and you, for example, you don't know who is in the house, right? Maybe he's standing with a knife, maybe he's armed, maybe he has a grenade. You don't know about it. And you, as a chaplain, are ready to run into the breach? Absolutely not. I arrive, I stay in the car and wait for the command when, for example, the police officer tells me: "Everything is clear, everything is okay, come in." Because they don't want to have a problem with you in addition to the existing problem. You should not become a problem for them. And every decision or every step you want to take, you must ask them. For example, I want to treat them to coffee, but I ask: "Guys, will it be okay for you right now if we stop by, I want to buy coffee for everyone." If they say: "Yes, okay, all right, let's go, I'll buy coffee now." But they don't obey me, but I obey them. And I don't say: "Okay, guys, turn here, and we'll drink coffee." But you must ask them, just as I say: "Listen, is everything clear with you right now, do you have any calls, everything, okay, let's stop." Okay, yes, we can do everything, then I can do something. Therefore, if you are a leader, if you are a pastor or a bishop, or someone who is used to managing, right? Because, for example, I, working, you know, in business or elsewhere, I can manage hundreds of people, and I am used to giving, you know, orders, commands, phone calls, but, becoming a chaplain, I must understand, from this moment on, I start listening. Next is fundraising. Look, a pastor or a church minister, any church, collects donations. And that's normal. It's a practice, it's a biblical practice. We can use these funds for various charities, assistance, church life, even to save up a lot. Our church, for example, donates a lot of funds and has donated to chaplaincy, to various projects, to guests, and so on, and so on. So, in the church, it's normal practice for you as a minister to be able to call people to collect funds, but as a chaplain, also write down in large letters. Never, never, never, under any pretext. Even if it's a birthday, children's birthdays, whatever, police officers will ask you. You never have the right to collect money there. For anything. If they want to collect money, for example, for some holiday, you will say: "Listen, ask, well, if possible, we just have such a protocol, we are not allowed to do this, please let your people do it, and that's it." And therefore, a chaplain should not touch the money of police officers or law enforcement officers. It's just, well, it's like a commandment for you, and that's it. Meaning, you can just come, someone doesn't know, they will ask you, well, here, here it ends, here is our red line, we never collect money from police officers. If they want to, please. For example, we had, remember, I told you about the project, Christmas with police officers, and from the chaplaincy, we gave, for example, $50 for each child, you know, how much that is now, 2,000 hryvnias, and then, if a police officer wanted to buy something, they did it with their own money, but they didn't give us that money. They simply approached the cash register themselves. First, our card was used, paying the first part, and then the difference that remained, they paid the difference themselves, but we never took any cards, or finances, or anything. I can call my church, I can collect funds in the community. That's normal practice, but I, as a chaplain, can never and have no right to collect money from law enforcement officers. Next, critical attitude. What is this? Meaning, look, we live in society. Society has different moods. You, for example, live in some city, and you don't really like the mayor, right? How he performs his duties, what condition the roads are in, or perhaps your district head where you live, and so on, and so on. So understand, if this is normal practice, if there are people who investigate or are journalists, they make public inquiries and so on, and so on, and they are critical, they are in a state where they don't let the authorities, as they say, relax. You know, this is normal practice. There is also enough of this in America, right? Meaning, so that they feel that the people are watching, right? But this is not the function of a chaplain, do you understand? When a chaplain starts doing this, when a chaplain starts being a person who writes everywhere, posts about the mayor, about their governor, and they are completely, they get into this frenzy about criticism. I want to say that at that moment, the chaplain becomes toxic, because it becomes toxic to communicate with them. They become, as they say, a troublemaker. Yes. Yes. Perhaps it is even fair, and perhaps the mayor really doesn't pay enough attention and so on, but if you start using your public...
Social networks, especially, yes, there, or constantly presenting yourself publicly, you, as a person who goes against the existing administration and so on, and so on, become toxic for police officers, because they cannot, they, you understand, they must, regardless of what the government is, they must perform their functions. The government changes, they remain. Yes, they can change the minister, they can change the head of the national [service], but all these people who were in their places, they will remain in their places. And they will survive one mayor, then the second mayor, then the third mayor. Remember, right? That is, they will work there. Therefore, it is very, very correct if a chaplain is not a toxic person and who does not carry within themselves, you know, a person who criticizes everything around and becomes, well, there, even dangerous to take a photo with. Next, next we will talk about formal rules. Look, in every, uh, in every church or in every religious community, or in an association, there are formal rules, based on which you, for example, yes, marry people, officiate weddings, yes, there, well, figuratively speaking, bless children, yes, that is, some internal, uh, how to say it, for example, there is a church, yes, where before praying or blessing a married couple, yes, they must go through, say, five classes, figuratively speaking, yes, undergo such preparation and so on, and so on. And then you, well, will pray, because in every church there is its own order for the funeral service of people who have passed away. We had cases, well, Sasha Chenchik will tell you about this sometime, yes, when one church, it did not want, for example, to bury a person, yes, because the person committed suicide and according to their principles and rules, they do not do this, yes? Right. Uh, but, but, but these situations happened. Therefore, look, your formal church rules remain in your local church. But if you work or serve as a chaplain for law enforcement officers and they can come to you and say: "Listen, we have a wedding next week, could you, as a chaplain, just come and pray and, well, bless us?" And they did not go through your five classes, yes, they did not go through your entire framework of your standards, but they invite you not as a pastor, they invite you as a chaplain. And as a chaplain, even though you have your own rules in your church, they relate to the church, and here you are simply invited to pray. And you, as a chaplain, cannot say: "No, I will not come, I will not pray for you, because you did not attend my five classes." You simply come, you pray, and you bless. Just as we had a situation and one church, it, uh, it refused, figuratively speaking, uh, to perform, to perform, uh, a service for a person who, well, as it were, committed suicide. But our chaplain there, in this case, it was Sasha. He went, he did it. And because he was asked to do so, yes? Well, these are simple life matters, yes? And therefore, it is necessary to understand very clearly, there are your internal formal rules, and there is what concerns your chaplaincy service. Next, the first line of service. Look, when in the church you reach the level of deacon or pastor, or senior pastor, or even bishop, as a rule, what happens, especially if the church becomes large? If the church becomes large, the pastor, as a rule, spends 90% of his time or communicates, yes, with the leadership team, yes, with the management, yes, and his entire zone of communication, yes, if you look at the pastors of large churches, yes, it is especially located there. There is nothing wrong with this. It's just, well, the situation requires it, yes? So when you become a chaplain, you constantly go to the first line of service. You constantly come to the first line of contact with people, with their experiences, with their pain, with their challenges. And there will not be, you do not come, as a chaplain, you know, sit down in the office and just wait for everyone to come to you for worship. This will not happen. If you think that as a chaplain, you can come and sit in some room and everyone will just line up for you, remember, there will be no queue, there will be nothing. That is, you will have to go out with them on calls yourself, be with them, when, for example, if you go with probation and come, figuratively speaking, and there are families there, yes, who, uh, well, not always everything is good with them, not always they are prosperous and so on, and so on. You, of course, must understand, you will have to deal with, or come into contact with, human grief, pain, problems, violence, disputes, and so on, and so on, and so on. That is, by deciding to be a chaplain, you automatically, as it were, sign yourself up for the fact that you will have to be on the first line of service, on the first line of communication from time to time. And finally, yes, so that we have time for questions, it is religious language. Look, when I, for example, preach in church, yes, I use a lot of biblical vocabulary, yes, or spiritual vocabulary, or church vocabulary. And for me, it's normal, yes, repentance, regeneration, yes, there, I don't know, transformation of the mind. Well, and there you can use many, many different Christian terms, yes, and it's normal. And the church, when I speak, the church understands me. But when I go to serve as a chaplain, I must review my language. I must speak in a language that they understand, not the one that my church understands. Yes, that is, they, I have encountered situations from time to time when people tried to convey some information, yes, using our church epithets, which are absolutely clear to us. But they are completely incomprehensible to the other side. Therefore, please, when you become a chaplain or decide to become a chaplain, even if you are a preacher and a very, I believe, a great preacher, you must speak to your audience and to your, directly to your team in simple human, non-religious language. This is very, very important, yes? That is, so that they understand you, so that they understand what you actually mean. And in church, you can use those phrases, those expressions, things, figuratively speaking, those words that you are used to, that are religious, biblical, and so on, and so on, in your sermons. Therefore, for you, it will be, well, much easier. And so, summarizing, uh, once again, yes, we talked about the fact that there are things that are common in the ministry of a pastor or clergyman and a chaplain, yes, but we also talked about the fact that there are things that are different, yes, and we must manage to change this hat, yes, we must manage to change clothes or change our social role, yes, that is, we talked with you about personal views, yes, that you will serve people who may not even share your views and there is nothing problematic about it. Yes, we talked about primary authority, which will be granted to you not after training, but really when you start working in the administration and you will need to build healthy relationships with management. We also talked about subconscious expectations that we will need to turn off in ourselves. Also about appearance and uniform, which you will have to learn to love, in which you will have to go on calls. We also talked about the use of discipline, that you will not be able to use discipline on people with whom you will work. About formal leadership, who is the formal leader. We also talk about the manifestation of obedience, where you will no longer have to give commands, but listen to commands. We also talked about fundraising, which cannot be done directly among law enforcement officers. Next is about a critical attitude or not being a person who constantly carries some negativity or criticism. We also talked about formal rules. We also talked with you about the first line of service and about religious language, which will need to be changed. And so, friends, I, I am stopping our presentation. Yes, one moment. Yes, I am stopping the recording now. Yes. Of this lesson. Yes.