The Hidden Switch Controlling Your Weight, Skin, and Energy

Most women don't want to lose weight just to hit a number on the scale. They want to feel confident, attractive, and comfortable in their own body again. What's frustrating is that for so many women, even eating clean and working out doesn't deliver the results they desire.

I was working out like a freaking crazy person. Pelaton, P90, you name it. Weightlifting, nothing was making me like the way I looked in the mirror. Today I'm sitting down with functional nutritionist and Primal Ba founder Candy Frasier, who's helped thousands of women finally see their bodies respond without starving themselves or living in the gym.

I dropped 13 lbs.

Wow.

In 6 weeks.

And the reason her approach works is something that almost no one in the wellness community is talking about. It was like a light bulb went off in my mind. Once you learn it, you'll never have to learn it again.

Let's dig in. Candy, thank you so much for being here and joining us today. I want to set this conversation up a little bit. So, for anyone who's listening and has not yet heard of Candy Frasier, please go to her Instagram and just scroll through her photos. I want you to find a photo of her in a bikini. And we'll put this up on the screen for anyone watching on YouTube, but I just want everyone to see what Candy looks like in a bikini because she she doesn't just have amazing jeans. She hasn't always looked this way, but it's just proof that what you are doing is working for you and also for so many other people that you're helping to transform their lives and their bodies. So, I just wanted people to know that and keep that in the back of their minds as we're talking.

The bikini pictures is how I get women's attention on Instagram.

No, it works.

Yeah. I mean, you got to do what you got to do.

Yeah.

I never thought I'd be a bikini model, but here I am.

Can you tell our audience a little bit about your personal health journey and how you got here?

Mhm. Yeah. So, it interestingly enough, I started out not eating well at all. And today, I'm probably most people would say, "You're the healthiest person I've ever met." It wasn't always that way. I ate a lot of junk food as a kid. I grew up on a farm. My dad is a hunting fishing guide. So, we did have a lot of like nature in our lives. And I did eat, you know, wild caught salmon from that morning from my dad's boat, you know, elk, you know, venison, beef. But it was the 80s and 90s. And so, we had a lot of junk, you know, Lucky Charms for breakfast and Wonderbread and, you know, fat-free yogurt. We grew up in the fat-free generation, so there was a lot of fat-free stuff, fat-free milk. I was always congested. My lymph glands were always swollen. You know, I had my tonsils removed as a kid. Then as I became older, I had horrible periods, cystic acne, you know, breast tenderness.

Um, I got put on birth control when I was 14 years old. So, I I literally went from 110 lbs to 140 lbs within like 3 months.

Did they put you on birth control for acne?

No. My mom put me on birth control because she didn't want to be a grandmother.

Okay. So, I had an older boyfriend at the time and she was like, "I don't want to be a grandma and I just don't want to take the risk." So, she put me on birth control and it was it destroyed my body, destroyed my body. I had started to develop cellulite. By the time I got into my mid-20s, I had full-on lipedema. So, I had hard pockets of fat on the outside of my legs. But, you know, I was always really interested in the natural world, what God gave us. I was interested in in animals and farming because that's how I grew up. And my grandpa was a really big influence in my life as was my dad. But my grandpa always was into food. So we ate, you know, snout to tail. We had we'd come home from school and he'd have a big pot of like, you know, cow tongue soup cooking on the stove and, you know, we had all these fermented cheeses and sauerkrauts. He was German. So we had all this stuff that was kind of most people would, you know, that time would shy away from. I just kind of embraced it. So, he taught me little tricks about cooking. Like he would say I'd make him like ham hock and bean soup and I'd take it over to his house. We just lived a couple blocks away from the farm and he'd go, "Kisser," that was his nickname for me. "Kisser, did you soak these beans overnight?" And I go, "No." And he'd go, "You need to soak them because it takes all the gas out of them. Then grandpa won't get gassy." And so I started learning, okay, plants have these toxins in them and you have to prepare them certain ways and be really critical with how you prepare them so that we can actually digest them. But you don't have to do that with meat. And so I started kind of figuring stuff out. Also, my grandma was a was a full-on like horticulturist. I mean, she had an amazing garden. She was in the garden club and she did a lot of plant breeding. And so I knew a little bit about it. I knew our crab apples on our tree were indigenous to the area. You know, they, you know, they're not wild necessarily, but they were there for many, many years before we came. And then I knew the pie apples had been selectively bred. We had a pineapple tree and then we had a cherry tree and a cherry um pie tree, you know, where they were selectively bred to be sweeter and more tasty. So, I always understood that, but I didn't really do much with it. I didn't really know and I was interested in nutrition. And the first book I ever read was about how omega-3 fats can help influence our brain and our behavior. And I thought that's really interesting. I was I'll never forget it. I was in the library. I had my oldest son with me. He was just a little guy. We were checking out little critter books. And I went over to the diet section, found this book, and I was like just amazed at what I was learning. And I thought, I want to do this someday. I want to like learn how to help people with this and figure it out.

And how old were you at the time?

Oh, I was 22.

Okay. 22. I was very young. And so then, you know, things happen and, you know, I'm a working mom, you know, and I'm busy divorce, go through my first divorce, and I move, take my boys, and, you know, I'm busy doing hairdressing. And I always wanted to go to nutrition school, but I went to cosmetology school instead because that was the cool thing to do back then. And I was like, I'm gonna put this on hold. Every weekend I would go to the library and check out nutrition books, literal anatomy books, and I would just read this stuff. So, finally, as my kids got older and they weren't so needy on me, I was like, "Okay, I'm going to do this now." So, I went to nutrition school 12 years ago, became board certified, got my board certification and just started helping people. I was doing homeopathy. I was doing herbs. I was doing, you know, basic nutrition and nutrition testing. And, you know, I was I thought I was really helping people. And at the time, I was all organic. I was making sure that my clients were eating all organic. They were eating pretty close to a paleo diet. So, no grains, but eating, you know, plants, vegetables, fruits, and meats. And you know, no one ever really lost weight. I think I improved their their mindset around food and they felt a little better. You know, when you take someone from eating processed junk to eating whole foods, they always shift in a better direction.

Yeah.

But, you know, there were still issues. And I thought, well, we just need more supplements.

And it never really worked. So, I spent many years doing this. And then I traveled. I taught, you know, doctors about nutrition and we did seminars and taught about, you know, supplements and homeopathy and it was fun. And at one of those seminars, I met my husband Tom. He was attending one. He was a CPA and his sister was a natural health practitioner. She was attending our seminars and he was interested in her business model of natural health clinics helping people um with supplements and natural health remedies and you know he thought this is like really interesting to me. He is a type 1 diabetic and so he wanted to take care of his health. So he was like I'm going to leave my business you know investment banker big CPA you know job and I'm going to go do this. So that's what he did and he went to one of our seminars and he learned and we hit it off. We started talking. He's like, I'm interested in doing these health, you know, type centers across the country. And he's like, I'd love for you to be a part of this any way. And so over the course of a year, we built this friendship on, you know, building these health centers that would be chiropractors and functional medicine doctors and practitioners that were all natural health-minded at these health centers. And, you know, we got together and it was like we just chemistry, chemistry, you know, immediate attraction and we were friends for about a year, year and a half and then finally um I think we both confessed our undying love for each other at the same time. But um we got together and at the time I was living in Washington State. He's from Wisconsin so he was there. My kids were grown so it was easier for me to move to Wisconsin. So I packed up everything, left Washington where I'm from, where I've been my whole life. moved to Wisconsin in 2020 and we started our health practice there and um it it grew really quickly. I was the new girl in town. I was doing all this stuff and people were interested. So I grew really quickly and I was right back to where I was with my practice in Washington. You know, basically had this community of these families that were coming to see me for to live a more natural lifestyle. And but behind closed doors, my life was really chaotic. And I had this brand new love, you know, that was just so to the moon. It's still brand new in my opinion, six, seven years later. It's still brand new. Um, but we had this brand new love and there was another woman and the other woman was type 1 diabetes and it was very stressful.

Have you seen the movie Steel Magnolias?

I haven't.

Okay, you got to watch it, girl. It's so good. So Julia Roberts has got a great cast. Dolly Parton's in it, Sally Field. But in the movie, Julia plays a type 1 diabetic. And there's a scene in the movie where she's sitting in Trudy's hair salon, which Dolly Parton is the hairdresser in the movie, and Dolly's doing her hair, and Sally Field's her mom, and she's there, and she's having a diabetic low. And so it's really dramatic. She's shaking, she's sweating, they have to give her orange juice to get her blood sugar to come up. And I remember at the time I watched that because it's from the like the 80s I think early or late 80s and I was young at the time and I thought that must be a horrible disease to have and I it just stuck in my mind so clearly that scene and I thought that must be so horrible and then it happened to me in real life and it was really scary.

Via Tom, I watched it happen and I was there, you know, numerous times helping him get his blood sugar back up. Now, it's not his fault. Type 1 diabetes is a very stressful disease to manage. And, you know, we were newlyweds and I was making I'm a good cook and I was making him all these yummy paleo desserts like these date and nuts and all this, you know, and we were eating a lot of whole foods, salads and meat and, you know, we were eating a lot of whole foods, but a lot of sugary whole foods. And at the time, I didn't think this was going to be a problem for him because I was always taught, oh, fiber, whole foods are okay. They're not going to hurt your blood sugar. Blah blah blah. Sweeteners are different than you know, that that was all a lie. I watched it unfold in my husband's blood sugar every day. I would make him a smoothie. It would have Greek yogurt, some berries, you know, maybe a little little swirl of honey on the top and a protein powder. And he would drink that and his blood sugar would do the same thing as if he had a regular milkshake from Culver's Drive-In.

Wow.

And I thought, "What? Why? This is like this is fiber." And he says, "It doesn't matter. It's all sugar." So these little date and nut paleo desserts I was making him with coconut flakes and everything were just like him eating a Snickers bar.

And I thought, "This can't be."

That was my downfall for so many years, too, when I first went paleo. I think a lot of people paleo is kind of like a a gateway way of eating once you start eating healthy. But the problem is you just start making paleo versions of all the same treats you were eating before.

Totally. Totally. And that's what I was doing, you know. I was just being cute about it, you know. So, we had all this um healthy dessert foods and soon enough I learned he can't eat this stuff. So, I'm like, "Honey, what do we need to do?" And he's a dude. He's like, "Sure, paleo yummy desserts you're making me, you know?" And I'm like, "No, because we can't do this low that you have because it's so scary to me." So I said, "We got to do something." And he goes, "Well, I do much better when I eat meat and vegetables, just meat and vegetables." And I'm like, "Okay, then that's what we're doing." So over the course of about six weeks, I we we made this plan. I said, "Okay, I'm going to eat everything you eat. I'm going to move when you move. I'm going to do everything to support you because I know it's going to be easier for you if you do this." Now, at the time, I had gained probably six pounds since we had gotten together, and I wasn't fat, but I also wasn't thin. I was skinny fat. I had a lot of cellulite, but I had just given up on my body. I had tried the 75 hard challenge. I had was working out like a freaking crazy person. Pelaton, P90, you name it. Weightlifting. Nothing was making me look like the way I looked in the mirror. But I just was like, I'm doing all the right things and I look better than most of the people on the planet right now. Most women say I'm really thin, so it just must be whatever. Perimenopause, right?

So, I had just given up. So, when we started on this plan to help Tom balance his blood sugar so he didn't have to overcorrect with insulin, I had given up on my body. And I was just doing this to help him. And it was the most serendipitous thing that ever happened to me. And it was a gift from God. I truly believe that because after six weeks of eating and moving and living in accordance to Tom's blood sugar, keeping it stable so he didn't have to overgive himself insulin, I dropped 13 lbs.

Wow.

In 6 weeks.

That's unbelievable.

And I couldn't believe I had been trying everything and nothing was working. So it was like a light bulb went off in my mind. I thought, "Okay, I had done keto six or seven times prior to even meeting Tom. I had done the Atkins diet way back in the day. Ate nothing but hamburger patties and pork rinds and, you know, bacon and the Atkins basic first week for nine months and I'd lose like a couple pounds, but then I'd just get constipated. I didn't feel well. So, it was like a light bulb went off and I thought the reason the keto diet didn't work, the reason, you know, the Atkins diet didn't work for me was because I wasn't I didn't understand how insulin worked.

And I looked at Tom after I lost 13 pounds and I'm like, how is this possible? And he's like, I told you the more insulin I take, the fatter I get. Insulin is the master fat-storing hormone.

And I'm like, I knew that. I was taught that, but I didn't fully understand. I didn't think I had a blood sugar issue.

Mhm.

My fasting glucose was always 80 every morning. 80. It was perfectly fine. But little did I know it's because my body was massively producing insulin to keep it that low.

Yeah.

You know, to keep my body at a state of coherence and balance, I had to produce a lot of insulin. And what happens in most women is that will happen to them for a long many years. They will show no signs of diabetes or insulin resistance. and then all of a sudden overnight they go to their doctor and their doctor's like, "Well, you're insulin resistant." Now, some of these women aren't even obese or don't even have weight to lose. They're just their diet has been so heavy with glucose, they've produced so much insulin that it wore the receptor down and now they've developed resistance to the insulin. So, they have insulin resistance and if you let that go, it develops into type two diabetes. So, I know I saved myself from that because I'm sure by the age of 55, I would have had insulin, full-on insulin resistance. And I see it. Women join my program daily that have insulin resistance. They come in and they're like, "I have insulin resistance. How is this possible? I've been eating a Mediterranean diet. How is this possible?" And it's because they don't understand how insulin works.

Yeah.

And once you understand how it works, you know exactly how you need to eat. But it even doctors don't understand it. They gave Tom no good advice when he was diagnosed at 15. They do not understand how insulin works at all.

So, you know,

Yeah, for I mean, what what advice did they give him? Just this is how you manage it.

You bull. Yeah. You This is your diet, but it's just all about calculating what you need based on

how many carbs you eat.

Exactly. And that's why we're in the epidemic we're in now. We have type 1 diabetes is on the rise. Type two is out of control in all in the whole world. I mean even um in Asia and India they have some of the highest rates of type 2 diabetes and what are they eating? Rice and potatoes and all the starches. So um

and type two is 100% reversible.

It can be if you catch it early enough.

Okay.

You know.

So it can get to a point where you actually can't.

I mean it's hard to it's really hard to Yeah. And it it can be very damaging to your organs and your I mean type two diabetics eventually if they don't take care of it they go blind they can lose limbs, you know, their kidneys give out and they die.

Yeah.

So if you don't manage it then yes, but it can be reversible. Absolutely 100%. If you get it when you're insulin resistant then it's really easy to to reverse that. But

and you mentioned that this can be a shocking diagnosis for people. They think everything's fine. and they're eating healthy and then, you know, at one point they're just diagnosed with type two diabetes. But are there any signs that can show up that women Yes. or just people in general can be on the lookout for?

Yes. A big one that no one really understands is hypoglycemia. So excess fat on the body for one and then hypoglycemia. So if you have excess fat on your body and you experience hypoglycemic symptoms, now I'm not a doctor, but you know, just work with your doctor on what hypoglycemic symptoms are. You know, it's like you're hungry. You're you're you get hangry. Like if you skip a meal, you get really hangry.

And that's because hypoglycemia is like super low blood sugar. Is that

correct?

And it's a sign that your body is always needs glucose to burn. It's a sign that you're not fat adapted, that you're not burning fat for fuel. You're only burning glucose. And that your body massively produces insulin. So when you massively produce insulin, your blood sugar drops frequently because that's one of insulin's main roles is to transport glucose from the bloodstream intracellularly. So it takes it out of the blood channel into the cell in turn dropping the blood sugar. So when you have a lot of glucose in the cell, you make a lot of insulin, baby, because that insulin's got to trigger the cell to open so the glucose can go through it so it can be used as fuel. Now any excess sugar in the blood or glucose in the blood will get taken to the liver and converted into fat. Insulin's second role is to do that, transport the glucose to the liver, but also to sit on the fat cell and prevent your body from tapping into it for fuel. Because the fat on your body is a source of fuel. You can burn it in the form of ketones and get superb energy from burning fat.

But if you have too much insulin, you can't burn fat. you're just stuck in a high insulin environment. So you have a lot of fat on your body. You have hypoglycemia. You have sugar cravings because insulin will make you crave sugar because insulin lowers your blood sugar. So your body has a mechanism to raise it again if you have too much insulin. So it makes you crave more sugar.

I've never heard it put that way that it sits on top of your fat cells and then the way you does it get flushed out then when you're either eating kind of the way that you eat or if you're in a fasted state or exercise when you get into a state of ketosis eventually your your insulin will lower and then it will leave your fat cell because your your body says okay now we don't have any food we have to tap into the fat.

Yeah. Your body never wants to burn fat. It was designed that way because in the wild we couldn't get fat. There wasn't enough carbs around for us to get fat. So the body tries to preserve fat on your body, especially in women because as estrogen is fat promoting. But insulin is the key mechanism for why it's made and why it's still there. And that that intimate connection we have to our ancestors that lived at one with the earth that ate mostly meat and they ate a low fat-forming diet and lived a low-fat forming lifestyle because they were moving. They were fasting. They were drinking spring water. They had good microbes. They had all these things around them to prevent to prevent obesity. And their systems are the same systems we have. But now we live an opposite life. We live in a zoo with Dairy Queen on every corner of a block and we can get as fat as we want and our bodies are like, "Yeah, let's get fat." Because our bodies haven't adapted to that, nor do I think they will because it kills us, right? That way.

We die from metabolic diseases.

I love how you said that we're living in a zoo. I think everyone really needs to think about that and just understand that the world that we live in is not set up for us to thrive. And we have to make very intentionally different choices if we want to thrive.

Yeah. I think most people see it. If you've seen the movie Wall-E or Idiocracy and you go to Vegas or Disney World and you see the people, you see it, you see the disease in people and you see what they're eating, you can figure it out. It's killing us. And if we don't do something about it, it's going to affect the generations after us. It's potenters cats. Are you familiar with poters cats?

Five generations. It takes five generations to for it to degrade or to reverse or both.

Exactly. And eventually they won't, you know, they won't be able to procreate. And that's nature's way of telling us this isn't right.

I think we're starting to see that happening now.

It it is. We have fertility clinics for for people in their 20s.

They're going to fertility clinics. It's like when I was in school, we tried to prevent pregnancy, you know, like it wasn't this like, oh, I I have to try to get pregnant now. I mean, I was talking to a girl who's 28 and she's like, I'm going to have to go to a fertility clinic to get pregnant. Like, we've been trying for four years and nothing. I'm like, are you kidding me?

Yeah. And I feel like that's becoming more the norm than the outlier type of story.

For hypoglycemia. I know that the standard recommendation for people who experience that is to eat more frequently.

Yeah.

Um I know several people who have said, you know, I have hypoglycemia. I have to eat every two hours or three hours. What are your thoughts on that?

You're just making the problem worse is you're just producing every time you eat, you produce insulin.

Now, an easy way to ease into it is to instead of going for an apple and peanut butter, which is I want everybody to really understand this. An apple and a peanut butter is a Snickers candy bar. Everyone thinks that's a healthy thing. It is a Snickers candy bar on your blood sugar. So instead of doing that, do a couple softboiled eggs, do a can of sardines, do some beef jerky, do a beef stick, do something other than sugar.

Sardines are such a great snack.

They're the best hack or or even like meal on the go. I mean, I know maybe sardines isn't a full meal, but if you're in a bind and you need something that's going to satiate you, yes, sardines are the way to go.

They're the most nutrient-dense food there is. They're loaded with omega-3 fatty acids, and omega-3 fatty acids actually help you to get into fat burning mode.

They increase ketones. I've seen it in my program. We do a sardine fast. In the program, we do three days of just eating sardines.

So, how many cans every day?

Well, so it it's it starts a lot and then it tapers down because really you get tired of sardines after three days of just eating sardines. But we start out with like, you know, anywhere from five to six cans a day and then you taper down as you go through the days and the girls watch their ketones go up and up. And when your ketones are up, you're fat burning. You're you're burning more fat.

Great way to like just get into ketosis quickly.

So good. And it satiates you. Your cravings go away. You just feel calm. you feel just feel good. So,

they're a really good source of calcium, too, cuz you get the bones, if you get the sardines with the bones in there,

you can eat it.

They're so nutrient-dense, folate, everything is in sardines.

What are some other issues with the paleo diet? I know we mentioned that all the sweet treats and what that does to our insulin.

What else? What are some unexpected things that um people would be surprised to know about foods that are recommended within the Paleo way of eating?

That's a really good question. So, I'm dying to talk about this because I was just in Laguna Beach and it's everywhere. They have smoothies with flax seed and chia seed and all these superfoods and those foods can be so damaging to young women and I just hate it. And and boys and I see these mom vegan moms giving their babies these smoothies with this flax and chia and I'm like, "Oh my gosh, please no." because they're so high in phytoestrogens and those phytoestrogens influence our own hormones.

Wow.

So, I didn't know this.

Yes. So, this started actually before I became a nutritionist. I was a vegan for seven years and I was eating the flax seed on everything and the chia chia overnight, you know, pudding and I

those are like the holy grail foods.

Oh my gosh. I know. I had all the superfoods and I was in the worst shape of my life. I was severely anemic. I was all almost hospitalized for it. I had B12 anemia and I had iron anemia. I had both forms. I had the worst cystic acne all over my mouth and my face, my cheeks. It was I'm so lucky I don't have scars from that. Um horrible cystic acne. My breasts were engorged. They were so painful I couldn't even hug someone. I had gained all this weight, cellulite got even worse, inflammation, just constantly retaining water. And I was looking into it. I'm like, what could this be? And I started researching. And I found this gal and I can't remember her name now. I wish I remembered her name, but she was researching with um tomography. Is it topography?

Thermography.

Yes. But also Yes. And she was doing breasts. And what she found was that flax seed was creating this breast cancer environment in the breast for women and because of the phytoestrogen.

Yes, she has a book. I can't remember her name. I'll I'll let you know what her name is.

Anyhow, um she she's amazing, but she did all this research on it. And so I removed flax and chia from my diet and literally within a week my face cleared up. My breasts stopped hurting. I wasn't bloated anymore. I had no more water retention. It was incredible. So I thought, I can never not tell women about this. So the women would come into my office and they would have the same symptoms I had. You know, the cystic acne periods, they were having two periods a month and, you know, they were just a wreck. And these are young girls. And so I'd tell them, get off the flax, get off the chia. They would do that and they would come back and they were so much better. Everything would regulate. So, and I know there's people out there that are going to say, "Oh, that's not true. That these are phytoestrogens. Your body gets rid of it." Blah blah. No. The deal is it can be whatever in theory, but it has to work in reality. And if it is doing this to this many women who don't know about it, then there's something we need to look at

because theory doesn't cut it.

What about all of the other nuts that people eat on the paleo diet?

Well, you look at like the seed cycling, right? Are you familiar with that?

I am.

Yes. Using seed cycling. So you got to be careful with that and we're feeding these to our children that is influencing their bodies. That's what I got so much hack um from all the herbalists about the carrots and queen and lace and you know like oh you know this lady's scaring people from eating carrots and it's like that's that was the you missed the point. The point is yes we're eating selectively bred plants that are less poisonous than the wild plant but we're feeding babies carrots over meat. meat is what's going to grow their body, not carrots.

Yeah. It's not like one carrot is going to have a serious detrimental effect on your health, but when we're choosing that consistently over the foods that are really going to nourish us and be healthy and healing for us, then it becomes a problem.

Yes. I've heard you talk about almonds also. Um tell us about the the almonds and the cyanide.

The almonds. So, the almond tree, it's so weird. And if someone has better information than me, please post it in the comments because I I don't know. Like it's hard to find this stuff actually the the history on it. But from what I've researched, almonds, 50 wild almonds would kill a man.

And that's a freaking can of nuts.

I know somebody has put away a can of nuts. Wow.

Before of modern-day almonds, right?

But 50 wild almonds has enough cyanide to kill a man. So they they jammed the the um almond tree with I think it was pine bark. I'm not sure. I can't remember now. Um they jammed it in there and then it stressed out the almond and the almond lost its ability to produce the the poison.

And so that's how they do. It's just so bizarre to me that people have been able to figure this out in weird ways. Um but

I've always thought I've always felt a little funny with almonds. I've always felt something weird with them in particular and I don't eat them anymore and I feel so much better after giving them up. But I ate so many almonds when I first started eating paleo. Just so many nuts, like trail mix, dried fruits.

Oh gosh. All of that stuff.

So much. Yeah. And they're also loaded with oxalates.

Yeah.

And oxalates are really hard on your gut. They get lodged in your kidneys. That's where calcium oxalate kidney stones develop. So we avoid oxalate foods. Um,

can you do a quick rundown on which foods have a lot of oxalates?

Almonds are probably the top along with spinach. Spinach is another really big one.

And why is it important to avoid oxalates?

Oxalates do they it builds up in your system. So your body naturally should be able to break it down. The gut the microbes in the gut should be able to break down some oxalate. And almost all plants have some form of oxalate. Our body also makes oxalate in our liver. We make oxalate just as a debris. But uh you know if you're eating a lot of oxalate food, your body is just building it up. And oxalate is sharp. It's like a little shard of glass almost like a microscopic and so the body will bind calcium to it um to neutralize it and that's where you form calcium oxalate stones and you can form stones anywhere in your body. Kidneys are like the main place everyone knows but you can form tonsil stones. You can form stones in your gallbladder and your pancreas in your liver and they create a lot of problems and a lot of pain. I mean if anyone's ever had a kidney stone

I've heard it's more than childbirth.

Yeah, they're painful. So,

the oxalates are what cause that.

Yeah, they build up in our tissue and they can build up in your brain. They can build up in they they have now started to find them in plaque in the arteries of where plaque forms there's oxalate. And of course, it makes sense they find calcium there, too. Anywhere there's calcium, there's going to be oxalate buildup.

So, um yeah, o we weren't really designed to eat plants.

Um we don't have the guts to break the plants down. And obviously they're killing us, you know.

But you eat some plant. You're not You're not anti-plant. Say

I'm not I'm not anti-plant. You know, we do eat some vegetables, but I they're mostly like a condiment. I'll have a salad, you know. We do eat I do some citrus, lemon, and lime in my water. I'll have some cucumber. But

what kind of lettuce do you have when you have salads?

Um I I like Caesars because I like the anchovies. Um, so I'll do I'll do, you know, just wild mix of whatever grains I avoid. I'm

guessing not spinach or kale. Do you

I don't eat kale. No, it's too hard to process. But I will eat um I like roasted um Brussels sprouts. I will eat roasted Brussels sprouts and we eat a ton of ferments. So the cabbage um you know, anything fermented I will eat for sure. Yeah, because when you ferment something, the toxins, like part of that process is it neutralizes the toxins a bit.

Yeah, exactly.

I love fermented foods. I got turned I mean I I ate them several years ago and I kind of got out of that habit, but you inspired me to bring them back and

I feel like they've made a difference in in how I feel. I feel like my immune system is functioning better.

Uh my digestion is better.

And kefir also. I've been drinking kefir.

Yes.

That's another one. The goal is to get a variety. So, you know, I tell I encourage my members to like go out and start a fermenting club and get like seven of your neighbors to make their ferments as long as they have good good microbes. If these people are obese or not well, then don't have them make your sauerkraut. You want people that have good microbes to make the sauerkraut. And then you swap microbes. And that diversity is where you'll build back a really healthy gut.

So how does that how does that work when when someone is just making something their microbes actually get transferred into the food?

Yes,

100%. Now with ferments it's a different story because you know lactobacillus usually kills off it's the major the major um ferment. What I found is people who are really unwell when they go to make their own cabbage a lot of times it doesn't turn out unless they've been through the generations of it like the Germans like they can always make you know like it doesn't matter how obese they are how many biscuits they they can make the sauerkraut.

Is this why like people that make kombucha um will say like oh you have to you can sing to the kombucha you can do these different things and it'll influence how it grows.

Yeah, for sure. I mean it's a living organism.

Yeah.

And you know,

I mean, there's studies on like how that influences water and plants.

Yeah.

Yes, it totally does. So, we're big on getting a variety of ferments. We like to do different types from all different areas and eat as many as you can from different types, but a little bit. You don't want a baked potato sized amount.

You want it to be like a condiment. the lactic acid. If you're working out a lot and you're just eating carnivore and you add in a lot of ferments, you're going to build up a lot of acid in your system, especially if you're drinking coffee and that could be challenging on your system. Your system has the ability to neutralize it, but it's harder for your body.

I did that. I was thinking like the more the better.

Well, you can eat a lot if you're neutralizing it with a lot of plant food that's offsetting the acidity, but you don't need that much. I mean, the microbes are microscopic, so you only need a little tiny bit. So, we eat like I'll pull out six or seven jars of ferments and I have these little tongs and I just pull out little pieces from each one and I put it and I develop about two tablespoons worth of ferments on my plate when I eat my steak or my beef patties or you know what, lamb, salmon, whatever. A lot of times with fish, I do kimchi, but um you know, yeah, you just do a little bit at every meal and you chew your ferment and you chew your meat. This is I learned this from Dr. Shaomera. He's the the origins of where the ferments come in. He's a very dear friend of mine, but he's really interested in the microbiome. And what he's found was after studying the visceral fat because he's the leading researcher in visceral fat, he found that people with good guts have less visceral fat.

Mhm.

And ultimately what it boils down to is microbes can make you produce insulin.

Isn't that crazy?

Really?

Not only can bad microbes make you crave sugar, cuz most people have heard that, but they can make you overproduce insulin, keeping you hypoglycemic, hungry all the time because it's a downstream effect of they make you crave the sugar and then you eat the sugar and then you produce more insulin just on their own.

Yes. I looked into this cuz I wanted to know that too. I thought, well, you know, because Dr. Sean always says, you don't want the obesogenic microbes. You know, he says that all the time. Don't want the obesogenic microbes. And I'm like, well, how do they make you obese? So, I looked into it and no, it's not. Yes, they make you crave sugar. That's an opposite thing.

But there are microbes that can influence the production of insulin.

How?

I don't know. Isn't it crazy?

That is crazy.

They know so little about the microbiome. I wish they would spend more money and time on it because it is it is truly where our health lies is in our gut. And they've done studies on this. They've put mice, sterile mice, you know, studied sterile mice, two sterile mice in a cage, fed them the exact same diet. They did fecal matter transplants where they put the feces of a skinny person into one sterile mouse and the feces of an obese person into the other sterile mouse. They fed them the exact same diet next to each other. And the fecal matter transplant from the obese person made the mouse fat.

Oh my gosh. People are doing that now, right? Have you

Isn't that crazy?

So, I'm really into this because I do think microbes are a huge part of of who we are.

I mean, they outnumber our cells 10 to one. We have we are more bacteria than we are cells.

Wow. So, um, yes, people are getting fecal matter transplants to promote the growth of good bacteria in the gut and but you have to be careful with that because sometimes you can get bad but they do it.

I've heard it can influence your like how you think your personality depending on what kind of microbes you're getting and you know how that person that you're getting them from.

100%. So, you have to be really careful.

Really careful.

And it's feel like you would want to like go on a vacation with someone first before deciding to do something like that.

Well, and you know, they tell you you can just take a stool sample and encapsulate it and swallow it down, but I just have a really hard time with that. Um,

I mean, I think I'd like to get it from being around people drinking from the same glass or being, you know, braiding each other's hair. This is how our ancestors did it. They didn't have to eat each other's, okay? like they knew they were sharing the microbes together. And

isn't it funny that we've replicated medically something that has just always been so natural?

It's pathetic. I mean, we're just pathetic now.

And it's sad because we don't need to be We have this

We have this beautiful land. We don't need to do that.

Oh my gosh. Um Okay. I have a question on keto.

Is it possible for people to eat a keto diet and never actually be in ketosis?

Yeah. Oh, yeah. That was me full on. Yeah. Everybody that has joined my program has done the keto diet and never been in ketosis. Um, yes. Unless you're tracking it through blood, you don't know.

So, you can know because if you don't eat for 5 days, you're definitely probably in ketosis.

Yeah. I've done that.

Yeah. And

your ketones were like at five.

Yeah. Your breath smells really bad. You can feel you get this really great clarity. Amazing.

Yes, you'll get this great clarity. You'll feel like you're running on like like jet fuel.

Um, so you'll know then, but if you want to lose weight, you have to stay in ketosis for a certain amount of time and you have to be a specific range. Otherwise, you'll just keep producing insulin. It'll just keep and also your metabolism adapts. So, anytime you do something, your body is fighting back from losing fat. It never wants to burn fat. So, your metabolism will slow down, your body will adapt, so you don't burn more fat. So, there's all these weird things that happen um that keep people from being successful on the keto diet.

And

Keto traditionally is like what? Like 80% fat, 70% fat, and then like 20-30% protein.

Yes. They want it's high fat, lower protein.

Yeah. And the problem with that is fat can make you fat.

Right? Which is crazy because, I mean, for a while, we we heard the narrative that low fat is best. And then, you know, a few decades later, we found out that was not the way to go. So then there was this overreaction to, "Okay, well, let's just eat as much fat as possible, and fat is good, and it doesn't make you fat."

Um, and I think that there there's some truth to that. I don't think we need to be afraid of fat. But tell us, tell us where you stand on the fat thing. We do not need to be afraid of fat, but if we're trying to lose weight and we already have a lot of fat on our body, we don't want to be burning somebody else's fat. We want to burn our own fat.

Yeah. Okay, that makes sense.

So, you you got to cut the fat down while you're doing while you're doing fat loss. Once you get to the other side, you'll learn how much fat is appropriate for you. But you being in a ranching family, you'll know this. So, the fat on on modern-day agriculture is way different than on grass-fed agriculture. Way different.

Yes.

It isn't as tasty on grass-fed. It also is harder to eat. It is like shoe leather. It is not as tempting as this big fluffy white fat that you see in the Wagyu or the prime rib or the ribeye on conventional corn-fed, soy-fed beef. It is less fat. Toxins, right? Because these...

It's higher in omega-6, low in omega-3, and yes, full of hormones. Grass-fed beef is leaner. It still has higher amounts of fat. It's leaner, but it has fat that isn't as edible. Yes, you can you can eat as much of it as you can, but it's not going to make you as fat as the conventionally raised beef. It's just not.

So, but here's the deal. I would eat any day of the week, I would eat a conventionally raised ribeye over pancakes, over sourdough toast, over pasta, over whatever healthy plant food they think that is going to make them healthy, right? No. Meat is our proper fuel, but you have to know there's a spectrum on which it lies. Wild is the best. Next is grass-fed, farm, regenerative raised animals. And that's pretty good. I mean, you're doing really good if you can do that in today's day and age. Most people don't hunt now. But if you can get some wild game in there, you're doing even a little bit better. But like I said, there's people who can't do that. They they can't afford the grass-fed. So, they have to go buy meat at the store. And if that's all you can do, that's all you can do. You know, don't don't let perfection be the enemy of good enough.

Yeah. So, conventionally raised ground beef is going to be better than like a bowl of cereal for breakfast any day of the week.

Yep.

Okay. I want to hear about just how you eat. Like what do you eat in a day? What does that look like for you?

So, it varies. When I'm traveling, um, I try to eat around as much as I possibly can. So, I'm kind of off plan right now. Um, but when I'm home, you know, a lot of mornings if I'm not doing a fast, I try to do a 48-hour fast every week. If I'm not fasting, then I eat whatever meat I have taken out. It's usually bison, beef. A lot of times, um, right now I've been eating a lot of just top sirloin. I'll take out a couple top sirloin steaks. I'll have sardines with that. I'll have my ferments. Sometimes I do eggs.

Um, you'll do like you'll do like red meat with sardines?

Yes. Like together?

Yes. Interesting. I have...

100%. Yep. Um, you know, I and sometimes I'll do, you know, other things. Rarely do I eat processed meats. I'll have turkey bacon on occasion if I put it in a scramble.

Do you ever eat regular bacon?

I do eat regular bacon when I'm out very moderately. So, like if I'm on vacation, that's my treat is just like regular bacon from the restaurant.

Yeah.

You know, that's what I consider a treat because normally I wouldn't put it in my body because it's just the the animal wasn't raised well. It's high omega-6 fats. Pork is not great. It messes with our lymphatic system. So, I just...

But again, you know, I don't do anything else. You know, I I am pretty clean. I don't eat I One of our friends asked the other day, he's like, "You don't even just eat one bite of a warm chocolate chip cookie?" And I said, "No, absolutely not. I've already eaten chocolate chip cookies. I know what they taste like and I know what they do to my body. And if you take one bite of that cookie, you feed an enormous amount of bad bacteria just waiting to grow."

Yeah. So, it's not worth it for you.

Forget it.

What about fruit? Do you ever touch fruit?

Um, on occasion, I'll have berries when they're in season. Uh, I will do berries. Um, usually try to do like wild blackberries. Anything wild I will eat. Um, you know, I might have a couple strawberries if they look good. I try not to eat strawberries because they're really they're grown with fumigants and stuff. Um, I would probably have something like that, you know. I mean, this has probably, what is this? A little tangerine, little mandarin.

Hardly any carbs in this. I might eat one or two just,

you know, to put something in your mouth, but it's not my food. It's just a little taste of something different. I like to put citrus in water.

So, I mostly eat bison, elk. I have a lot of elk at my house. And then we eat a lot of fish.

Okay. So salmon, cod, um, any any kind of local fish wherever we are, we're always looking for fish and anything out of the sea.

So pretty much meat or fish with ferments as a condiment. Um, do you...

Veggies as a condiment too sometimes?

Do you worry about mercury and fish ever?

Nope, I do not.

Tell me why.

Well, because I tan a lot. So melanin is actually the best heavy metal detoxifier.

I just learned this.

Yes. Doing interview prep for my next guest today who's a helio-therapist. This is wild. Can you explain how this works?

So, this is actually um Jack Cruz's stuff. Dr. Jack Cruz. And so, he This is who I learned this from. He um...

Melanin detoxes mercury. So, it works perfectly, right? We live by the sea, and we eat the sea, and then we're in the sun, and we get that detoxification of the mercury out of our system. So it the melanin in the skin will like pulls the heavy metal, breaks the heavy metal, body, and excretes them. I don't know how the exact breaks them down, some process of it is, but it it I don't know if it acts as a chelating agent or how it excretes it. I imagine it goes through the liver and the kidneys. It has to because it goes through the blood supply, but somehow it neutralizes it and helps you to detox detoxify from it. He's done massive work on it. You know, he's a neurosurgeon, and he studies the melanin in the brain specifically because mercury and aluminum and stuff can build up in the brain.

Wow. I didn't know we had melanin in our in our brains.

It's called the substantia nigra, and it's like this dark jet black dirt apparently.

He talks about it a lot that's inside the brain and um...

That's why our bodies are so smart.

Yes. But that's why I try to keep a golden tan.

Yeah.

Because I want to make sure that my body is detoxifying. And, you know, I don't wear sunscreen. I haven't in years.

I don't do Botox. I've never done Botox. Never done injections of any kind.

And your skin looks incredible.

46. I'm going to be 46 in a month, a couple months.

And that's another thing that you talk about. Your face changed a lot once you made all of these changes to your diet and your lifestyle. And that happens with a lot of the women who go through your program also, right?

Yes. They get more beautiful. So they get these pixie faces. So Dr. Sean has studied this. People with higher amounts of visceral fat have, you know, inflammation in their face, but their noses grow. They get these bulbous look to their nose. Even women, I'm not talking about men with...

Visceral fat. Your nose gets bigger?

Yes.

What?

Everything expands. Wider, longer.

Yep.

What?

So my women, it's like a nose job when they go through my program. They get rid of their visceral fat. They get rid of their inflammation. Literally, their true noses come through.

Do you think some of that is because their jaw structure is improving their bones because of all the meat that they're eating?

Uh, you know, I mean, there could be something with that because they're chewing and all of it, but there is fat in the face.

The fat, the the fat in the face. People are getting it removed right now, you know.

So, anytime you work on the fat in the body, it's going to help improve the fat in the face. So the visceral fat and the fat in the face. It's like when you get rid of the visceral fat, you're also getting rid of...

The the fat. The fat in the face.

In unwanted places because we want it. We want a little bit in the face in the right place, but not superficial subcutaneous fat.

Yes.

That's the fat we want. That's the fat that keeps your skin young. So old people don't have very much superficial subcutaneous fat.

They... That's why their skin gets thin and wrinkly, but they have a lot of visceral fat.

Yes. And that makes them hunch over. They get constipated. They can't have a bowel movement. You know, they get myiotosis. They have no muscle. Their muscle starts to waste. Their brain starts to waste because the more muscle you have, the better brain, you know, cognition you have. So, they get they just they get diseased and the disease starts with the visceral fat, the fat suffocating your organs. And fat is actually a pro-inflammatory organ. It excretes...

Except superficial, right? Superficial is anti-inflammatory. Adiponectin is anti-inflammatory, but deep subq visceral fat, heart fat, myiotosis, which is fat in your muscles, fat in your face, that fat is inflammatory.

So many kinds of fat. So how do we get rid of the wrong types of fat and build more of the right kind of fat that we want?

That is the question. So this is what we do at Primal Bod. This is exactly what we do. We also help prevent your body from eating away at its muscle.

Yeah.

Because that's what happens. Most people, if they do fasting or they're trying to do restricted calories or whatever, they end up eating away at their muscle. This is what Ozempic does, right?

And so you get the Ozempic face, and you look like horrible, from hollow and...

Yeah. Low metabolism. Yeah. The life force is taken out of you. But in Primal Bod, we don't do that. We want to preserve the muscle and build the muscle, but burn the bad fat. So, there's a specific way to do that through ketosis. And it's really freaking hard for almost everybody to figure. I don't even know how I figured it out, honestly. It was Tom with the diabetes, the insulin, understanding glycogen, understanding anatomy of the body, and I just put it together so that, you know, women can understand how their bodies work because it's different for everyone. Everyone has their own metabolic rate. Some women are through menopause. Some women are still having their periods. Some women are 51. Some women are 5'10. Some women overwork out. Some women underworkout. So there's all these factors that make it confusing and you don't understand what am I doing? Is it working? Is it not?

But what we do at Primal Bod is we help them to learn what their body's needs are. How much protein do you need to eat to preserve your muscle, help support your metabolism, but also eat enough that you get into fat burning? Because if you eat too much, you might not burn fat.

If you eat too little, you'll slow your metabolism down and then you really won't burn fat either.

There is a Goldilocks, but it's different for everyone. And that's why we track blood ketones. So, we can show the girls by them tracking their blood ketones, what your ketones are doing today. Okay, now we know you're in that exact spot. That's how much meat you need. We call it the Goldilocks zone to sustain this fat burning until you get all the fat burned off your body. Then we have a new set of instructions, which is then you have a new Goldilocks to find how much meat do you need to sustain yourself in your perfect primal body, your bikini body. That's what I get the girls. You're getting in bikinis, ladies. Like this is what we're doing. So you want... We don't do the scale, you know? We do do the scale to watch, but the scale really doesn't mean much. You know, you want to be strong, and who cares what the scale says because muscle's heavy, right?

So, you want to be you don't want to be skinny fat.

So, the dojo or I say dojo mojo. Um, cuz I I used to have...

Keto Mojo.

Yeah. Keto Keto Mojo. Yeah. Um, that's like the main thing that you're using to measure for people to measure and figure that out.

Yes. We use a couple different tools. I like the Keto Sense. That one's my favorite. We use the Keto Mojo because there's girls overseas that do my program and you can only get the Keto Mojo overseas. It's this weird...

Thing. So, we use Keto finger prick thing.

Tiny little finger prick. A little bit of blood on the tester, and you know if you're in fat burning or not, if you're too high in fat burning or too low in fat burning.

So, what's the sweet spot in terms of ketone measurements? Where do you want people to be at?

Yeah, it's, you know, it's really tricky because I've had girls in my program who have had low ketones and they lose like 30 pounds in three months.

Wow.

So, it it is a tricky thing to like just put an exact number on it. But mostly nutritional ketosis is 1.5 to 2.5. That's like the general guidelines, okay, to have that. You start going higher on that, that's where you end up in problems. Um, you know, doctors will take you higher on their own, like for seizures. You know, epilepsy is treated with ketosis. They get ketones up high into the sixes and sevens in hospitals, but that's like working with doctor territory. But, you know, it's like you want to be between 1.5 to 2.5, but you got to be careful because there's, like I said, there's all these other things at play.

Um, what's the downside of being of your levels being too high?

Well, you're eating away your muscle. That's a very good question. That's one thing. Um, you can also, you know, you can damage your body because ketoacidosis, which is really hard for most people to get into ketoacidosis. Type 1 diabetics usually are who it happens to. Regular people mostly they'll just eat away at their muscles and bring their ketone levels down by raising their glucose levels up by eating away at their muscle. So, um, that's what you don't want to happen. That's why we follow our our guidelines because we don't want women to eat away at their muscle. We want them to get stronger while they're doing the program. So, we really focus on making sure that everything makes sense. So, there's blood sugar too to consider. You know, some people can get really high ketones and their blood sugar stable and they're just have high ketones because their body has a lot of visceral fat. So, they're making ketones readily. And but what happens is eventually the body adapts.

Yeah.

It doesn't want to burn the fat. So it'll...

Drop metabolic rate to match whatever you're doing and then it just stops and then you're like, "How can I get back into ketosis?" That's what we help people do.

Okay.

This is it can be so tricky.

Are there if you're in the right level of ketosis, is there any do you have any concerns with being in ketosis for extended periods of time and never coming out of it?

I'm always in ketosis and I've been in ketosis for three years straight. I've never been out.

Wow.

I have been in ketosis at a low range. Then when I fast, I go higher. I try to get my my ketones between two and three once a week.

Um, at my 48-hour mark of my fast. The rest of the time I keep my ketones below 0.8. So below 0.8, I'm still burning fat for fuel, but my blood sugar is great. So I'm utilizing both of my fuel sources, glucose and fat. So you just won't get fat if you do that. You just...

Glucose you're making your body is making it, right? From the meat that you're eating.

Exactly. Bethany, you know, so much, girlfriend. I love it. Yes.

How does that work? Can you explain that for our audience?

Yes. That is gluconeogenesis. So, all meat is broken down to glucose. Your body really only has two fuel sources. One is fat and one is glucose. Carbohydrates are not essential. That that is not a fuel source. Carbohydrates break down to glucose, but so does meat. Meat breaks down to glucose, too. So, you can get all the glucose you need by eating meat. You can also get all the amino acids you need by meeting eating meat, but you can't do that from plants.

You can't get all your essential amino acids from plants. They want to tell you you can, but you can't.

Tell us about your fasting regimen, 48 hours a week. I think most people would think that is a lot of fasting.

How do you do that in a way that works with your body and not against it?

I'm really careful about where I'm at with my hormones. So, it's harder for girls who are having their period to fast. Menopausal women, you don't have to worry. You're not having a baby anymore. You your ovaries are done. You're not producing eggs. So, the body doesn't really care about you storing excess fat unless you have low estrogen and then it will make a lot of fat because fat makes estrogen.

Um, but for girls in their childbearing years, their body's really sensitive about fat burning. Their body doesn't want to burn fat because you need to have fat on your body to help a fetus grow. So, um, I'm really careful. I don't fast around ovulation. Um, if I'm hungry around ovulation or hungry during my period, I do not fast. But mostly I'm pretty good. I know now my schedule, my routine, and my cycles are always on time. So, I know exactly when I can do my 48-hour fasting. And it it is a challenge. Um, I will say that, you know, the more you do it, the better you get at it and you'll crave it eventually.

The challenging part is when you do a 48-hour fast every week, you need to feast.

Yeah.

In the days you're eating, you need to really be able to put down some meat. So, I can easily eat 200 to 300 grams of protein a day easily. And that's not a problem for me. But it's because I fast two days a week that I can eat 300 grams of protein or more on a day and have no repercussions of it. I have learned my body is so adapted to do that.

It takes time to get there.

It does.

I I recommend people start with one 24-hour fast a week and then when you feel like you can do more, do more. But you have to be able to feast. If you don't feast and you fast that much, you will slow your metabolic rate down. Your hair will fall out. You'll have you'll be weak.

I think that's what a lot of women get wrong when it comes to fasting. I used to do a lot of fasting and I don't do as much anymore and I time it with my cycle. I actually want to start doing more because I've really backed off and I do miss it. Like what you're describing, your body starts craving it once it develops that metabolic flexibility and it's not as miserable when you when you fast. It's like your brain works better, your skin looks better. Um, all kinds of good things are happening. Get your ketones up. Human growth hormone is at its highest level at 48 hours for women in a fast. For men, it's 72.

Their human growth hormone peaks at 72 hours of a fast. For women, it's 48. So, at 48 hours, we are at that elevated human growth hormone. And human growth hormone is the hormone for young people. It is the kid hormone. So, it is why we age because we don't fast. We don't trigger that human growth hormone in us. So every week I want my human growth hormone high because I want to stay young.

Yeah. Wow.

So that's why I do it.

It can actually make you more youthful by elevating HGH levels. And it is muscle building easier when you have when your HGH is elevated.

It is. It will it will be depending on your testosterone levels because they work together. Um, and insulin. Insulin is also a factor for muscle growth as well. So you want to have that all perfect. You want to have high testosterone, high um human growth hormone, and you want to have just enough insulin that your body is making that muscle. And then of course the the weight-bearing exercise because you won't build muscle unless you're...

Weight-bearing.

So, do you tailor your workout routine around your fasting at all? What is what does that look like for you? What is your workout routine?

So, we just got a gym built in our house and I love it. Um, we had a Smith machine, so I would dink around with like hardly anything. I didn't lift weights for two years. I kind of got to a point in my life when I started Primal Bod where I was like, I am tired of working out. I have done so much working out and I was just over my body needed a rest and it was like two years of resting. All I did was walk. I walked and I wore a weighted vest.

That's where I'm at in life.

Yeah. And there's nothing wrong with that. You can build a freaking bikini body with a weighted vest and walking. And I did squats with it on and some lunges here and there, but a couple times a week, I mean, I wasn't doing anything serious, but I realized that I had developed a lot of slow-twitch muscles doing that. And my fast-twitch muscles were not there. So, I wanted to get, you know, that runner's booty. I want to get that sprinter booty. I wanted to get the fast-twitch muscles. So, um, and I do sprint, you know, but I'm not as as good at it as I want to be. But now that we have the gym, I've been lifting and I've been really getting into lifting to failure because that failure part is the struggle which helps burn visceral fat when you're struggling for anything. Sprinting, high-intensity jiu-jitsu, that fight, that dominate, fight, that will burn visceral fat.

Yeah.

This is what Dr. Sean has found.

Sprinted in college and she was like, "If you want to burn the belly fat, like you got to sprint." It's the best way to do it. And she had no belly fat. But when you sprint, I mean, you got to run like you're running from a mountain lion. Like you have to like run. You have to do it. And so now I'm lifting weights like I am fighting for like a boulder fell on me. So I'm getting there. I'm also doing the the burnout method where I'm doing like light with high reps because I think both is important. Um, so I'm doing the weight training trying to build up my fast-twitch muscles and um, you know, I will work out on the first day of my fast and then I don't on my second day of my fast. I take it as a full rest day.

Are you are you are you hungry then? Like do you feel like you need to refuel after you work out?

I go through waves of hunger.

Yeah.

But I'm so fat-adapted that it doesn't come until about 36 hours in. I start feeling a little bit of like, "Okay, I'm hungry." But I always base it on a scale. How hungry am I? 0 to 10. Oh, I'm like a three. I'm not really that hungry. Okay. I can keep going. And then I just keep going and then before I know it, I'm like, "Oh, I could go a whole another day." You know, like you'll have little waves, but again, you go drink a little fermented pickle juice and it immediately goes away.

Such a good hack.

And you're and or go play outside and it immediately goes away.

Being in the sun.

Yeah. And you're just like, "Oh, I'm fine. I don't need to eat."

I think that's another thing people don't realize about fasting. The hunger doesn't like build and build and build until it's intolerable.

You feel it, you experience it, and then it kind of subsides, and then...

Yeah.

Come back and then it subsides again.

When you start burning fat, you're you get jet fuel, you get ketones, you feel like energizer, buzzy bunny, but you also your appetite goes away because you're burning the fat on your body.

Yeah.

But then your body catches on to that. Hi, sweetheart. And your body's like, "Holy smokes, we're burning fat. We got to stop this."

So then you get hungry.

Mhm.

You know, so your body has all these checks and balances to keep you alive, but knowing it is the gold. Knowing what's happening is like, "Okay, I'm not going to die. There's plenty of food around. I'm doing this for the health benefits." You'll relax. Your parasympathetic will turn on and you you'll not in a stress mode. So, it's good for you. One thing people will say about fasting is that when when you are, you know, quote, like starving your body, then when you eat again, your body will hold on to that food as fat.

Um, what would you say to that?

Um, I think what more happens is people when they do do things like that, calorie restrict and they go back to eating, they do come in with a lowered metabolic rate, and so their metabolism is just kind of screwed. It's lower. But I do think they tend to overeat more carbs to put the fat back on.

Yeah.

They just aren't realizing that's what's happening. And...

That's the biological desire, right? You're going to want to like...

Stuff your face and and build fat. But that's where I guess you just need to have some discipline and eat the right foods coming out.

You need to change. If you want your reality to change, you have to change your personality. That's Dr. Joe Dispenza. Change your personality, which means you're not going to fall into the old trap of who you were with just going back and getting yourself fat again.

Yeah.

Right. I mean, the fat isn't serving you. It's it's causing disease. So, you just need to see it for what it is. And like you said, have the self-control and stop yourself from eating the foods that make you fat. Eat the meat. The meat isn't going to make you fat.

Yeah.

But meat will also give you enough fuel that you won't burn your own fat if you're not careful. This is why the carnivores get plateaued. You eat just the right amount of meat and your body's like, "Yeah, we don't have to tap into our fat." So, but meat in general isn't going to make you fat. And actually, they studied this and I can't remember the guy's name, but I just watched a podcast. He was talking super awesome and he was saying they did all these studies and they found that you can eat as much protein as you want. You're not going to get fat. It'll you'll build more muscle and the body will just utilize it and then you're just not going to get fat from it. So, and that's what I found. I've done my own private studies on my own body and what I've noticed is, you know, I can go a whole month and feast and eat 200 to 300 grams of protein every single day and I don't gain any weight.

Wow. So...

So how do most people like can can this be something that you approach pretty intuitively or do you do you recommend that people need to be calculating like grams of protein based on height and different things?

At first, they need to calculate.

Okay.

Because they need something I have never done. I feel like I'm kind of averse to it.

Yeah, I know. I was too. But honestly, once you learn it, you'll never have to learn it again because meat is our proper fuel. Once you learn how much meat you need, you'll know I need to be eating near that. Now, you'll have moments of intuitive eating where you're like, "I'm not that hungry today." That'll be your hormone cycle, and that's when you go, "Okay, I'm just not I'm okay. I'm just going to fast today." So, it doesn't have to be rigid, but most women undereat protein, and they don't know how much muscle they could have if they ate the right amount of protein. So that's where I I say they need to calculate for a while and understand what their true needs are.

I've heard you talk about fasting and sagging skin, like specifically the little...

Gobble.

Can fasting help the skin to be more youthful and plump and less saggy?

Um, I've seen it in my in my group. I've seen the women, their skin has gotten so much better. The 24-hour fast that we do every week. I mean, it's just incredible what you can see over three months just in their skin. So, I have a lot of women that are really heavy. They have a lot of weight to lose. They get the sagging skin. Most of these women, if they hadn't done Primal Bod, if they had done Ozempic, if they had done something else, they would have needed needed a tummy tuck. Honestly, they would have needed it. And they leave my program and they don't need that. Everything tightens the skin. This whole décolletage area gets better with fasting. Um, but you have to think of it like your body is breaking down old, dead, decayed cells.

Yeah. Is that autophagy? Is that what...

Autophagy? Exactly. So then new stem cells can be produced and new cells can be born, healthier cells. So if you've been feeding yourself um carbs, you're like building a body out of cardboard. If you're feeding yourself meat and healthy fats, you're building out of raw material, the the nutrients we need to build those vibrant cells that come through healthy and young, youthful.

Yeah. I've heard Dr. Jason Fung talk about that. Patients that I mean, he does extended fasting protocols with people who really need it, who are overweight. And people when they're done with these extended fasts, um, people that would typically need like a skin surgery afterwards don't need it because the fasting and the autophagy kind of takes care of that issue.

Exactly.

What about insulin? How does chronically elevated insulin show up on the skin before it ever shows up on a lab test?

That's a really good question. Um, skin tags is a big one. Mhm.

So, skin tags, cystic acne can be a sign because you're dealing with polycystic ovarian syndrome, you know, facial hair, that's all polycystic ovarian syndrome, and that is diabetes of the ovaries.

Wow.

So, PCOS, when you form cysts in your ovaries, that is a sign that your ovaries are insulin resistant.

That's fascinating. I've never heard anyone say that. I've heard um Alzheimer's described as type 3 diabetes, but are can can insulin kind of um impact any organ system within the body? Like is it just kind of go to...

Different places depending on where you're like genetically vulnerable? It goes to where the receptor is.

So, the the ovaries have some of the highest amounts of insulin receptors on them.

Wow.

Which makes sense, right? Because the mother, if she's going through a famine and is starving, the blood sugar levels drop low. So, the body senses that the blood sugar is low. The ovaries will sense it first and the mother will not drop an egg.

This is why a lot of women who overwork out and overlose their periods because they're not getting that insulin in there to trigger the egg to release.

And that's why you don't want to fast too close to ovulation, right?

Because your body will sense. I actually noticed that when I was doing more fasting, if I fasted um in the follicular phase, like too close to ovulation, ov my ovulation would get delayed.

Yes.

Like I would still ovulate, but it wouldn't happen when it normally does.

Right. And it's because the body doesn't want to get pregnant if you're under a stressful event, which is in our situation for humans, it's a famine is the most common stressful event for most humans or it was. It's not now. Um, but it was. So that's that's why so it's really nature's birth control. And the the same thing can actually be happening, but because of a different reason, because of the chronically high insulin, the body can shut down in the same way that...

Yeah, when the body becomes resistant to it.

Yes, you'll develop cystic environment. Um, also high insulin environment is also related to endometriosis, all kinds of hormonal, not just PCOS, but other issues. So, you... Polyps are a sign of insulin resistance. Any kind of growth is a sign of insulin resistance. Like growth that you don't want. Cystic acne, zits, you know, skin tags, all can be signs of insulin resistance and later that turns into diabetes.

Yeah. Yeah. And man, I'm just thinking about all the women that are struggling to get pregnant and going to these fertility clinics like you mentioned when really in a lot of cases, maybe they just need to understand how their insulin works.

Yes. That's wild. Um, diet aside, what are some other ways that we can regulate our insulin response?

Um, so I think one of the bigger ones for me is coffee. Being able to um be free of the addiction of caffeine because coffee will make you a sugar burner. It makes you release cortisol.

Cortisol triggers a glycogen dump. Glycogen is excess glucose that we keep in our liver and our thighs for backup sugar. And anytime you drink coffee, you trigger that glycogen release, which elevates your blood sugar. So, you're just in a moment of fight or flight all day, which means you're constantly producing sugar.

Um, so coffee would be a big one. Lack of sleep also, you know, sleep, a lack of sleep can raise your blood sugar up just naturally because you're in fight or flight because you're not um refreshed. Your brain is not refreshed. So, it triggers the sympathetic mode to be in fight or flight. So, you're more alert. So you produce more cortisol. Really, it comes down to cortisol. Um, but yeah, I think that, you know, mostly it's the food. Mostly it's the food and the lack of movement. Movement is another big part to help. If you these people that eat a lot of carbs, if you move like an NFL player or like a ballerina, you can have more carbs and tolerate it. It doesn't mean you're not going to develop insulin resistance later on, because a lot of them do, but you can eat them and not get fat, but you have to move that much. But your body still will produce the insulin. So, you still later down the road develop insulin resistance. These guys that are doing these races, you know, and they're taking these glucose packets and they're fueling on all this glucose stuff as they're going and they're eating copious amounts of glucose and they're super thin lean cyclists, but they're now getting insulin resistance and type two diabetes from it because they're just overdoing the glucose.

Yeah. So, it'll still catch up with you. You mentioned coffee. I'm sure you get a ton of pushback on that. No one wants to hear that. Is coffee also affecting our skin and making women less attractive?

Oh my gosh, yes, for sure. This is why we see such awesome before and afters in my program with the girls with their skin. I mean, it just they 10 years go off their face because coffee dehydrates you. It dehydrates the skin and then you form wrinkles. So, yeah, it's very dehydrating. It's super acidic. It's it's a toxin. Going back to movement real quick, I know you also talk about moving after meals. What would you recommend as just kind of a standard thing for people to do after they eat to regulate blood sugar?

Uh, you know, even if you can only just get out and do a 10-minute walk, it's better than nothing. If you can't get out and walk, like if you're just like on your lunch break, drop down and do 40 squats. Just do 40 squats. Go in the bathroom if you don't want to do them in front of anybody. That will activate your blood flow. It will get your your muscles working and it will just make you more insulin sensitive. The you know, insulin is released in the pancreas and then it goes throughout the bloodstream. So the more you can increase your circulation through a walk or doing squats, you're going to move that insulin around and it's going to activate the glucose. And anytime it activates the glucose, it lowers the blood sugar. But if you don't activate it and you're just sitting and the insulin is just pulling, your blood sugar will stay elevated and your brain will say, "Oh, the sugar's elevated still. We need to produce more insulin." So you will overproduce insulin. So getting out and going for a 15-minute walk after you each time after you eat, super super helpful. But I recommend everyone walk for seven miles a day on top of what they're walking around in their house in their normal day.

Walking is the best. It is the best way to burn fat.

Yeah. And I do 15 jumping squats. So I don't know, like 40 normal squats to like I maybe I need to be doing like 20 to to get to I mean like that same level as what 40 like normal squats would do. But I don't know. It's become a a habit and I was on a long flight a few days ago and so I wasn't able there wasn't enough room in the bathroom to do that. Like it was...

Um, frustrating and I felt it like I felt just like stagnant and sticky and so I started doing like calf raises just to do a little something.

Yes.

But yeah, once you get in the habit of it, it just feels so much better.

Mhm. I think a lot of people have restless leg syndrome because they're not walking enough.

Yeah.

You know, like go out and get your energy out, go walk.

Yeah.

Also, a bad gut can cause that, but I think like just walk.

So, seven miles a day. How long does that take?

It takes about two hours. So, I split it up. I do three and a half in the morning and three and a half in the evening. And we just go. Sometimes I wear my weight vest. Sometimes I don't. Um, depending on the weather. But being outside for two hours a day is so helpful for your eyes, for your skin, for your mood, for your lungs. You're breathing in fresh air. You know, you're adjusting to the temperature. You're circulating your blood. I mean, there is nothing like walking.

Yeah. Especially if you can get out in the morning, like you said, outside. Yeah. Not on a treadmill. Get outside and do it.

So important.

Okay. I want to quickly go over a few concerns that people may have about eating a lot of meat. Um, one is cholesterol. What would you say to anyone who's concerned about cholesterol when eating a high meat diet?

Um, well, this is a good one because they've kind of gotten some new studies on this now. And so what they've learned is low cholesterol is actually linked to all-cause mortality.

Really? But high cholesterol is actually linked to nothing.

So, is this just a big scam?

I think you know there is something to be said about it because you can cholesterol is a healing tool for the body. It's it's like...

So good for the brain, right?

It's like the body's natural Neosporin. I mean, it's it's used for all of our hormones. It's a building block for all of our hormones. We have to have cholesterol. However, you can get too much. It will come out your skin. Literally, it comes out your skin. How...

It it because it just builds up in the body. It's not dangerous unless you have internal wounds. Then it becomes the plaque that that everyone is scared of. Builds up in the body. But cholesterol itself, if you just build up too much cholesterol, it can start to come out the skin if your body has too much.

So, and what does that do? Is it noticeable or just...

Oh, yeah. It usually comes out into the eyes, but it can come out on the hands and it it it looks yellow. It looks like pockets of cholesterol under the skin. Yeah. It's very unattractive. It's not attractive. So, um, you know, I worry about that with a lot of the carnivore community because they eat a lot of this this fat from animals that have been selectively bred. So, our bodies really weren't made to eat a lot of fat. A lot of fish fat, but not a lot of selectively bred animal fat, right? We're we're used to eating wild game that has a way less amount of fat, but now you see people eating these huge ribeyes that are conventionally raised on all this corn and soy and they're eating sticks of butter with it and they're just building up too much cholesterol in their body. It's just too much. They don't need that much. Our bodies make cholesterol without having to eat it. Our bodies will make it, but you can get it through your food supply, too. And your body will utilize it. Um, just like our bodies make fat, but you can also eat fat and utilize it as fat or fuel, too. So, you know, I think moderation is okay. But, you know, as far as cholesterol ranges are concerned, I don't buy into any of it. Like, it's all just a bunch of BS to me. I think that you should work with your doctor on whatever. But really, the underlying issue is find a doctor that knows really what cholesterol is doing. Find a doctor that isn't still going off of the old...

Outdated textbook from when they were in medical school that was outdated at the time it was written and now is even more outdated.

Yeah. I mean, it's just really old bad information. So they told everybody to eat low fat and it didn't stop heart disease.

Yeah.

You know, it just made it worse. Why? Because carbs are turned into fat. And when the body makes cholesterol, fat and cholesterol and protein go together and they just, you know, and all the oxalates people are eating, all the vascular damage from lack of sunlight and you're just, of course, you're going to have heart disease.

Yeah. And so eat the right kinds of meats um as much as possible. Yeah.

And it's not a concern.

Most people see their cholesterol goes gets better, you know, if they had high cholesterol, whatever, gets better on the keto diet after being on it for several months into a year. At first, the cholesterol goes up because fat liberates. When you're in ketosis, that means fat has liberated. It means it's come out of the fat cell and your body's using it for fuel. Inside the fat cell...

Is cholesterol. So cholesterol comes with it into the bloodstream. So anytime you do keto, when you get your ketones up, your cholesterol will naturally rise with it. But then the body just utilizes it and makes it work. So it always. So anytime there's like a lot of weight loss, those uh the the fat cells are going to be liberated and your cholesterol is just going to go up higher, right? And here's the deal is when they go in to test you for a for a fast, you know, you're or when they go in and blood test you, you're supposed to be fasted from the night before or whatever. And who knows if you've already started burning some ketones, your cholesterol was just high from that, you know? I mean, it's just such a scam. Blood work is just such a it's just not getting to the root of the problem. Otherwise, people wouldn't be dying.

Do you think people are being too like overly mindful of what their blood work says and not how they feel?

Um, yes. I think that people have hired bad doctors and I I don't think the doctor himself is a bad person. I think they're bad doctors because they, you know, they sign an oath. They say they are going to help support people, but they really don't because they're not willing to take the time and truly investigate what's going on and what's happening and asking the right questions and asking people what they're eating and getting to the root of the problem. They want to just write a prescription because they want to help another person.

Yeah. They don't have time.

They don't they want to help more people. And there's so many people to be helped, but it's the wrong thing to do.

Cuz it's not working.

Yeah.

So, they need to hire the the doctors that understand what's going on. There's not a lot of them out there. It's it's hard pickings, but

I think more and more as time goes on.

Yep. Um, okay. Another common sticking point with eating high meat intake, pooping. Uh, a lot of people say they have trouble pooping when they start including a lot of meat in their diet.

Yes. And they think they need fiber to make that better. And ultimately, um, fiber usually makes things worse because it causes, you know, wear and tear on the inside of the gut, which then causes bad poor communication for the gut. So, peristalsis is what makes the gut move. And what triggers that is, you know, of course your vagus nerve can trigger that, but also your microbiome can trigger that. So we always have the girls introduce ferments that usually takes care of a lot of it. Also, if your drainage pathways aren't working, you know, if your gut has low gut motility, so magnesium and potassium can really help with that, too. Vitamin C also helps open up the drainage pathways. So, those are a couple things when people have bad guts, low gut motility, their peristalsis isn't working, um, we do that. Also, red light, red light in the morning can be really good for a slow moving

on the stomach.

Interesting. Never heard of that.

It It creates um, energy in the mitochondria. So, the mitochondria get stimulated by the red light and anytime the mitochondria are stimulated, they produce ATP. And what's ATP? Energy. If your gut is, if you can't poop, your gut doesn't have energy. So stimulate the mitochondria to produce the energy and then you'll have the energy to go.

That's good.

Y

I heard one time you talked about this concept of the difference between joy and pleasure and how eating that sweet treat or whatever it is may provide you with that short-term pleasure and satisfaction, but it's not going to give you the joy that comes from looking and feeling good long

term.

Mhm.

How would you encourage anyone who who struggles with that, who struggles to make good decisions that are going to benefit them in the long run?

Yeah. I think some of it is, you know, talking to your audience, I would say if you're a mom and a dad, like like do better for your kids. Make it about your kids and not about you because you know how the food makes you feel. Think of how it's making them feel. Um, now as far as the joy and pleasure is concerned you know a lot of young people and parents you know they want to use food as their escape they're and even the older generation you know it's food is is oh you want to cook and have joy together right and bring everybody together and all get fat and there's no joy in food. You never remember the casserole from Aunt Betty on your deathbed, right? Like that isn't going to be what you bring with you and it's not what you pray about at night. You know, you pray about health for your family. So, if you pray about health for your family, then do the right things and be healthy because that is what's going to bring you the joy in the long term is the memories with your family. Food is pleasurable and it should be. We ate wonderful food while we were here and it brought me a lot of pleasure. I loved it. You know, it was like, "Yes, this tickles my taste buds." And it should, but it's fleeting. It's gone in seconds.

Yeah.

But the fat on your ass is going to sit there for a long time. So, you taste that cheesecake, it's gone in 20 minutes. The whole pleasure scene is gone and all you're left with is the depression and the guilt. So, you know, you you're just in a vicious cycle of self abuse.

This is why I love you out of You're so good at just shooting straight and it's so motivating and empowering.

Well, thank you.

I love it.

Thank you.

And I struggle with that, too. I still feel like

I don't know if it's from childhood. I think a lot of us when we did something good, we would get like a treat and it's like it's like how we treat dogs, but we treat ourselves that way, too. Like I still find myself after I've had like a stressful day or after um, you know, something exciting happens, I'm like, "Oh, a treat. I want a treat right now." But why do I want a treat? like do I deserve a treat because either something did or didn't go my way. It's like this weird like thing that's ingrained in our minds.

And it's because our bodies naturally want to get fat.

So for your body, it's a treat cuz it's like holy, you know, 120,000 years ago, you would have never had the opportunity to have a chocolate covered hazelnut or cashew or whatever. Like there that wasn't around.

Yeah.

Now that it's around, your body can be like, "Oh my gosh, yeah, that's a treat for us cuz we get to make more fat." The body doesn't know that you can produce so much fat you can kill yourself,

right?

It doesn't know that because our our DNA was programmed in a world where there wasn't that there wasn't the ability to do that.

Yeah. And that's so important for people to remember too because we all have those those desires just biologically, but that doesn't mean we need to give into them. That doesn't mean we like we shouldn't trust that feeling. We should trust, you know, we should lean into like our minds and think critically, not like whatever you feel like eating must be what I need because intuitively right now I feel like I need it. No, like we were biologically programmed to want these things uh because that's how we survived in the past, but

that's not we need to like put that aside in today's

the zoo. It's not the reality.

The reality is the wild. And anyone that hunts, anyone that lives on a farm, that lives on a ranch knows it's not the reality.

So Candy, I came across something that I wanted to get your take on.

This is a quote from Oprah and she says, "All these years I thought I was overeating because of me and my fault. Now I understand that if you carry the obesity gene, that is what makes you overeat. You don't overeat and become obese. Obesity causes you to overeat."

Uh, wrong. Oh my goodness. Yeah. And she's selling Ozempic, isn't she?

Is she?

Oh, yeah. She's selling one of them.

Oh, for sure. Weight Watchers, they're all doing that. I mean, that's just insane to me that they're marketing as that obesity gene. Every human has the obesity gene. All humans want to get fat. That's just a biological imperative. And obviously because if you eat the way modern humanity eats, you get fat. Most of the population is fat right now.

And pharmaceutical companies are looking for a way to sell more Ozempic and make you feel like it's not your fault.

Yep. They're the easy button. Here, take this injection. We're going to charge you massive amounts of money. I mean, it's a multi-trillion dollar criminal enterprise, big pharma, and they're just going to keep pushing the drugs. Candy, if you could encourage every woman listening to make one change starting today, what would that be?

Eat more meat. Eat more meat. Just as plain as that. And and by support regenerative farms because we got to get rid of this cornfed, soyfed

meat system. It It just has to go.

We need babies to eat a lot of protein. We need moms to feed them. We need moms to nurse. We need families to start their own farm. You know, we need regenerative farming to come back. We need people to start eating more meat because if you start eating more meat, everything in your body is going to heal. You won't be hungry for the ice cream. If you're hungry for the ice cream, go eat a steak, right? If you are hungry for chocolate covered nuts, eat beef jerky.

Mhm.

Drink some pickle brine.

Always pick meat first. Yeah. And you'll just you'll start to see that your cravings will become less. your insulin will become more low and you'll not be making so much fat.

Candy, thank you for being here. This was such a good conversation. Tell our listeners where they can find you and continue to learn from you. And also tell us about your new book that you just launched.

Yes, so we launched a new book. It's called Get Sexy Girlfriend. It's on Amazon. You can download the Kindle or get the hard copy. And um, it was super fun to write. We absolutely just love doing that. So I'm an author now. I never thought I would be, but I am. Get a sexy girlfriend.

So exciting.

Our ancestors were sexy. You should be, too. And it's the truth.

Um, so there's

I do a um, a voice a voice version.

I'm thinking about it. Tom wants me to.

Yeah, you should.

One of a girl just said, "Oh, I bought your book and I I wanted to I wanted to buy the version where you read it." And I thought, "Oh, shoot. That's a sign I need to read it." Um, so yeah, we might do that.

You'll just have to like stick yourself in a closet for however long it takes. I always I always imagine that being like so tedious.

Yes, I'm sure it will be. Um,

but worth it.

Yes, for sure. And then I'm on all social media. It's the primalbod is my handle on all the social media and then our website primalbod.com.

There.

Perfect.

That's all the places.

Thank you so much.

Thank you for having me. What a freaking fantastic place to be and and I just love your energy. Your skin is amazing. It's just glowing at me.

Thank you. Um, so yeah, thank you so much.

Thank you so much.

Yeah.