Michael Jackson, Joe Jackson: Black Men's Excellence Threatens Everyone

Tonight on the black channel, I want to take a moment here to discuss about Michael Jackson. They had a recent biopic movie came out. It is smashing records all over the place. The white corporate media is beside themselves with rage because Michael Joseph Jackson was the reputation of white supremacy across the board. But you cannot say Michael Joseph Jackson without saying Joe Jackson, the man who crafted him, built him, made all this possible. You see, in a system of white supremacy, you don't have the phenomenal success that Michael Jackson did if somebody did not craft it, engineer it, make it into being. That don't just fall into place. You can't beg up on that.

Because you see, if he had to go through the white gatekeepers, they would have destroyed him walking in the door. They would have made sure they had his hook their hooks in him. They would have made sure how far he could go would be completely limited from day one. That's all it would have been. Joe Jackson was the mind behind the throne. He gave them a structure and a philosophy and they had a firm solid grounding upon which to build. That's the difference.

Now, what we also have to remember here is that Michael Jackson didn't really get a lot of mention or anything else to be totally honest. I mean, the Jackson 5, of course, you know, they were they were a big name as a boy band. And then when he put out Off the Wall, I mean, certainly did numbers, but Thriller was a musical, cultural, earth phenomenon. And it was after that that the media could not deny him. Please remember, and Glattis Knight said this, Quincy Jones said this, that MTV did not play black folk before Michael Jackson. They didn't play black folk before then. Michael changed everything. And that was exactly what the problem was. Is that that's too much power for one black man to have that you have the ability to alter the way that the dominant society does business.

He didn't come up with that out of nowhere. That was put into him by his father. A father who understood that he was sending his children out into an absolutely ruthless world of white supremacy. This man need to make sure these kids were going to be built for that. He's sending them into an environment. Remember, they had dealt with gangsters and everything else, the mafia and everything else all over the music industry. And this is where you send your kids, too. You don't get to sit up here and raise little fragile folk. It a fragile man cannot prepare his children to go into that environment. A fragile dude ain't going to be built for that. A fragile dude will sit up there and send his children to the wolves. No. If your children are going to be going into a world full of sharks, they better have a shark in their family who's showing them how to deal with that and that they are mentally and emotionally built to handle that.

So, the media went to work to attack Michael Jackson at the height of his abilities. First, they congratulated him and then they came after him viciously long before there were any allegations involving children. Remember that comes way later, folks. That comes way later. For those of you who may not be aware, but for those of us who were there and witnessed it, I could say a whole lot of things to you all, but you know what? I'll just give you one. Go watch Michael Jackson's music video, Leave Me Alone. You talk about bad, you talk about Thriller, talk about Beat It, that's great. That's wonderful. Just go watch the music video for Leave Me Alone. That was Michael Jackson acknowledging all of the rumors, all the craziness, all the tabloid attacks, and everything else. That was a music video with him in it, acknowledging all the vicious things that they were saying about him. That wasn't new. They were attacking him left and right from the very beginning. That wasn't new. And then when that didn't work, they started going after making accusations about children.

Now Spike Lee was talking to people about that um in the last 24 hours about with the Michael Jackson movie and talking about they stopped the movie stopped basically before you got to that point. So they stopped in the late 80s and Spike Lee said, "Well, you know, that's the reason they didn't cover that and this that and the other." I'm like, "Spike, no, we ain't got to play this game with these damn people. We are not going to play this game with these damn people. We don't have to give you any explanation for a damn thing. First of all, but second of all, Michael Jackson did not molest any children. Michael Jackson did not do that, people. And I don't have to argue with anybody over it. I can prove it by just one question. Anybody and everybody in here who is a parent, please tell me if somebody raped your child, tell me how much money would they have to pay you to get you to carry your ass and leave them alone. For anybody who thinks that that actually occurred, you tell me. How much money do would I have to pay any of you in here who got who are parents for your 10-year-old son, your 10-year-old daughter? How much money would I have to Epstein Island you to get y'all to go ahead and go walk away? I I I need to know from some of the parents in here. How much would it cost me to to to take your kids on that trip to Epstein Island? So, that should tell you everything you need to know right there. You know what your answer is reflexively. Of course you do.

But you see, here's the real point, y'all. You need to understand Michael Jackson made a bunch of enemies. He made a bunch of enemies for one reason. Because he set an example that the black slaves on the music plantation who built American music were not supposed to learn. Michael Jackson was about ownership. Michael Jackson was also not just about ownership. He was also about diversification. Case in point, Michael Jackson was about merchandising. He was also about revolutionizing the way in which he did music. At the time of MTV coming up, Michael Jackson saw that music videos could also be miniature movies. That's where the thriller music video comes from.

Now, for those of you who are unaware, most of you may not be. Time slips into the future. We're going on five decades now. But Michael Jackson was the one who got John Landis. John Landis was the director of American Werewolf in London. For those of us who grew up in that era back then, American Werewolf in London was a revolutionary film for special effects. How they did the transformation of when the guy turned into the werewolf. I mean, they were talking about Academy Awards and everything else. So, American Werewolf in London was a was a phenomenal thing. And when Michael Jackson needed to do Thriller, he didn't just go grab somebody off the street somewhere. He said, "Hey, call John Landis." Yeah, that guy who did that movie American. Yeah. Call him. People that was unheard of. Even in the early days of MTV, they weren't hiring Hollywood directors. Michael Jackson said, "This is my this is my song, Thriller. It's not going to be a music video. It's going to be a music video event." And they got John Landis. And if you seen Thriller, you saw he got his money's worth. Then nobody else was thinking like that at the time. Folks, there were other folks out there. Duran, Duran, Billy Joel, nobody was doing this. All the folk who MTV gave a leg up and gave a head start, they weren't doing that. Michael Jackson was the only one who saw the real potential of music television and he ran with it.

So you see, he he this isn't about, oh, black folk are just more musically inclined. What Jared Taylor's saying is musical IQ, dude. He's outthinking you on every IQ level. He's not just outthinking you musically. He's outthinking you musically, entrepreneurially, economically, creatively. This ain't about music. You're just being outthought. He saw the real potential and you didn't. Which is why you want to make sure that you keep all the money because if we ever actually had proper funding, yeah, we'd be able to outthink you on a bunch of different levels. We already have, but if you don't have the money, you can't execute what you're thinking. Yeah. Yeah, you also got Vincent Price. We can go down the list. He was doing things that they were not doing in music. Other folks like this is too weird, too eccentric. If it reminds you of Kanye West, it should. We have a very long history of that. Oh, yeah. And just like Kanye, they tried to criminally demonize Kanye. Everything is about if we can't defeat you at the box office, if we can't defeat you at the cash register, let's see if we can destroy you personally.

And when those things did not work and Michael survived those things, then the eye turned to his father. Well, all of a sudden it became about where did Michael come from? And this is what lets you know that these are the forces behind the scenes doing this. Like damn it, if we can't get this [ __ ] we'll do let's go after the legacy. And that was when they started their full frontal assault on Joe Jackson because in reality he's the one they blamed for it. Your son is what was the name Michael's album? Invincible and you're the one who did this. And that's when they began the attacks on Joe Jackson. And all of a sudden, oh, Joe Jackson is mean, Joe Jackson's abusive. All of a sudden, you had all those white folk who worked around Michael talking about Yeah. He would complain about his father all the time. He talked about he was abused. Look, I've got the diary right here. What? Nobody talking about no diary with Joe Jackson back in the 80s. Y'all, for those of us who were there, y'all, wasn't nobody talking about Michael Jackson in a diary about Joe Jackson back in the 80s? So that tells you these other folk were sitting there in the studio with Michael trolling for information. Oh, Michael, this is bad. You know, I'm your buddy. I'm your friend. Oh, your dad doesn't Oh, your dad is a meanie. And then next thing, ever since Michael died, young girl looking over these white folk who talking about this is a page from his diary. This is a note that he wrote. This is a card he wrote. There comes Oprah Winfrey, their reliable lap dog right behind him. That's not accidental. That's the plan. That's the strategy. Always has been. When they could not destroy him economically, when they couldn't get him in jail, they tried everything they could. All right. Damn it. Destroy the legacy.

Well, Jason, now see, here's where me and Spike Lee would differ. Well, Jason, you know, even the kids said that about Joe Jackson. It wasn't just Michael. It wasn't just a diary. All the Jackson kids said something like that. To which I say, so what? That was the cost of building an empire. Ain't nobody going to give us one in this crooked system. That is the cost of building an empire. You know, when it's white men, they don't talk like that about them. What was going on with the Osmans? For those of you who remember the Osmans, come on now. Yeah, they don't talk about that kind of stuff right there now, do they? But for those of you who know the Osman's, because remember that the Jacksons unseated the Osmans. For those of we got to go back in time here, but for those of you ain't old enough to remember, the Jacksons unseated the Osman's. Whole bunch of gravy trains got derailed when Michael Jackson and the Jacksons came to prominence. Whole bunch of gravy trains from the old dominant society got derailed. For those of y'all who remember your musical timeline, yeah, remember whole bunch of little white bands got derailed when Michael came and sucked all the oxygen out the room. Yeah. You want to know about folk with grudges? Okay. But by the way, what was happening with the Osman's? And they're not the only ones. Oh, nobody wants to talk about that, do they? The Osman's did. You all know the Osmans did. Yeah, but the media doesn't want to talk about what happened there now, do they? Huh? Even though the Osmans would, but yeah, they told Yeah. Y'all shut up. Y'all shut it up over there. Far from the only ones. Far from the only ones, people.

Joe Jackson was the right man in the right place with the right temperament at the right time. He was uncompromising. He was relentless. And if you want to judge the man, judge him by his results. If Mr. nice guy could have built the phenom that became Michael Jackson. And please tell me why the hell you ain't seen it. This is what they do with us when there's no white savior to thank. When there's no white savior to thank, then they tell you that you're wrong. Now folks, whether it was Bobby Knight or Joe Pno or we can go down the list. You see, with white men, you're just hard, difficult, you know, he's he's stern. With black men, it's, oh, you're abusive. So, Bobby Knight wasn't abusive, but Joe Jackson was. Huh? And then you all notice that that is a pattern. You see, they started that pattern way before Michael Jackson, folks. They were talking trash about Sam Cook. who they sat up and completely eviscerated Ike Turner. Ike Turner who basically is credited with creating modern rock and roll. Oh man, they never forgot that or forgave that. Oh yeah, and once again, people start seeing all these patterns forming with the black men they attack. Ike Turner was a thinker. Remember, he trademarked the name Tina Turner. That was not her real name. Ain't that right? I That's not her real name. Okay, the movie with Lawrence Fishburn was correct. That's not her real name. But Ike Turner, they don't want to magnify that part to you all. That, by the way, he trademarked that name, Tina Turner. That was a stage name that he knew he was putting it together. He just needed somebody who could execute. And that's what he did. That's what he did. You ain't supposed to think like that. You're not supposed to think like that. You start thinking like that and that catch on to every damn body else. Oh, hell no. What do you all think that did for the music labels and the distributors? The white men who were circling like sharks who were like, "Good. If we can just do a Leor Cohen, what Leor Cohen did to Rockefeller Records? Don't worry, you don't need Ike no more, baby. The white men are here now. We'll take it over." And then they realize that, oh hell, anime don't have the same ring to it that Tina Turner does. And Ike got that. So if you're going to move forward with her, you got to move forward with her as Tina Turner. Ike out you. That ain't about music being in your jeans. Well, you know, you you dark folk got music in the jeans. Okay, we also have genius in the jeans, too, because we outthought you. Sound familiar, folks?

And then it's decades later that Michael Joseph Jackson says, "Let me get some of that Beatles catalog one minute so we can have some assets. Let me go ahead. I ain't going to take all this money and spend it on Cadillacs and white women like y'all want us to. Let me go ahead and buy some assets over here." And that's what he did. He went and bought some assets. You're not supposed to be thinking like that. You're supposed to be like the like the Temptations and the Four Tops and Cadillac Records. If this catches on, it is the end of the gravy train that the previous hundred years have been built on. All these record labels, these white executives, primarily these Jewish white executives, and then a bunch of other folk there, they made a bunch of money off of this and then left us dangling in the damn wind with people who don't have their masters in publishing to this day. So you see when the biggest name in the world did deliberately did not do this you are setting an example to everybody who comes after you and that's exactly what happened within the decade O'Shea Jackson I aka Ice Cube when NWA came to prominence biggest rap album in the history of rap music and that was right then right there the Ice Cube said I'm leaving doing my own thing and I remember for those of us who were young men there in 1990 when he said the everybody in their mom was asking Q, why you leaving MWA? Y'all are at the height of your abilities. You're at the zenith of your popularity. Why are you leaving? He said the money wasn't right. The money ain't right. I got to leave. The money ain't right. And that was what changed the music forever. Will Smith went broke and other folk went broke. Ice Cube got every rapper firmly focused on the money. And the biggest rapper in the world at that time, he had everyone focused on the money. And ever since that day, every rapper has been focused on how much money they make and more importantly what they own. And they have been furious ever since. They've been trying to lock folk down in the 360 deals. Now they just go off and go find former strippers and say, "Here, you can't rap. We'll write the raps for you." But for everybody else, that became rap music's culture. Rap music's culture became about nobody messing you out of your money. That that has now become ingrained in the culture itself is that you don't let folk mess you out your money. You have to own your music. That is the legacy of Michael Joseph Jackson, but more importantly of Joe Jackson. because that's what he taught his children. Ain't that right, Janet? So, it wasn't just Michael, folks. This was the family tradition built and ingrained in them by Joe Jackson who prepared his children to go to war. And rightfully so. No wonder they went to work to demonize his name.

So, I'm just reminding you all that from Ike Turner to Joe Jackson to Richard Williams with Venus and Serena Williams, we can go down the list, y'all. When a black father creates greatness, they start telling your children that they need to stop being so great. When a Asian woman does it, she's a tiger mom. When Richard Williams does it, he's abusive. When Matthew Nolles does it, he's a problem. Nobody was talking about Matthew Nolles until his daughter pulled a Michael Jackson and took over everything. All of a sudden, they want to know all about her daddy. Where he at? What he doing? Who he laying up with. You all saw that happen. Nobody was interested in knowing who Matthew Nolles was until his daughter took over the music industry. Remember back when she was just a part of Destiny's Child, Y'all got to understand, remember Destiny's Child came up at the same time, you know, InSync and Backstreet Boys and that fella Pearlman who screwed all of them out their money. They making documentaries over there with InSync, too. Yeah. About how much money they didn't get. Uh Destiny's Child ain't got them problems. Hey y'all, Destiny's Child ain't got them problems. Now the white boy bands, they do. Destiny's Child. Oh, they got a lot of problems, but that ain't one of them. Matthew Nolles made sure that Well, you got to understand in the music business, they were looking for the white man who was behind Destiny's Child. For those of you who don't remember, everybody figured that must be another white man behind this, like 98 Degrees and Inc. and Backstreet Boys. Must be a white man behind it. Nope. Nope. So, back when they were Destiny's Child, they just assumed must be a white man behind this. And then realized, oh, hell no, it ain't. This is part of a black man's plan. Next thing you know, when Beyonce goes solo, oh, wait a minute. Who is Beyonce's father? Who Who is Michael? All right. Who is Matthew No. Okay. Ain't that something?

Folks, please tell me how many stories or articles they've written about Taylor Swift's dad. I'll wait. Hey folks, how many stories and articles are they writing about Taylor Swift's father? H nobody was talking about Britney Spears dad until her career was over. Isn't that interesting? Yeah, y'all. I mean, I can name Katie Perry. How about her father? Hey folks, how about Justin Timberlake's dad? I mean, Justin Timberlake's been arrested and stuff, you know? How about Justin Bieber? Can Can we get a few stories and some documentaries about Justin Bieber's dad? Oh, the media don't want to talk about them. Wait a minute now. These kids are getting in trouble and getting on drugs and getting arrested and everything else, but you don't want to talk about their dads. You don't want to talk about their mom. You don't want to talk about their family. We don't want to discuss their family dynamic at all. Nobody wants to do any investigation work in that. Oh, okay. Okay. They telling all of us, "Shut up. A there's no reason. Ain't nothing to see." Okay. Oh, you think I'm wrong? Kanye West. Hey, folks, remember they were looking into DA. Remember, they were all over it when the woman died. They were all over it. All over her business. Why does she need to get surgery? This, that, and the other. Oh, man. They y'all saw it. See, when you're black and you do something like this, your whole family is fair game. When you're black and you do something like this, your whole family is now fair game. They're not playing no games with you. They're here to destroy you. They're here to destroy you, destroy the family, traumatize the kids. No, this is about destroying any wealth you possibly could have because with wealth comes power. With wealth comes power. That's what it's about. Making sure that you are helpless and more importantly that you pass that on. That that becomes the legacy. They want you to get used to that right there. That this becomes the legacy that you sit around argue over stuff that doesn't even belong to you. That your opportunities to have things that you could have controlled that you messed that up before you even get started. That's what they want you to do, folks. They want us to be in a situation where we didn't even remember in the music industry and I've covered this before in 8 a.m. and other places. You get messed over walking in the door. They tried to catch you at the very beginning because at the very beginning you're most naive, which means that you are most vulnerable. They try to make sure they screw you over walking in the door before you know anything, before you even have a chance to question anything. They couldn't do that with Michael Jackson. They couldn't do that with him. Well, guess what? They couldn't do that with Ike Turner. They couldn't do that with Sam Cook. They couldn't do that with Ice Cube. They couldn't do that with Kanye West. They couldn't do that with Venus and Serena Williams. So, just recognize that as black folk, we didn't have access and connections to all these things. We had to build these things ourselves. But you had to have some men who understood and were built to do that. And so that is why the demonization of Joe Jackson has been paramount in their minds because they want what are they trying to implant in your heads, folks? You don't want to be like Joe Jackson, do you? Why? Joe Jackson is abusive and Joe Jackson was mean and Michael didn't like that. You don't need to do what Joe Jackson did. Now, they're not going to hold up white men in front of you and say, "You don't need to do what these white men did." They won't do that. You don't want to be Vince Lombardi. He was mean. You don't want to be Bobby Knight. He was mean. He knows they don't do that with them. They don't try to condition you to disavow them. And oh, you don't want to be like them. Why? They were meanies. But these white folk here, you supposed to fall in line. Donald Trump. Donald Trump does not have to be polite. Donald Trump doesn't have to be polite to you. He doing what he got to do. Elon Musk. Why? He's a tough negotiator. Tough leader. Stole every damn thing he got. Okay, but for you. Oh, you don't want to be a meanie, do you? Meanwhile, the world is run by nothing but mean white men and they admire them for it. Steve Jobs, I mean, he was technically white, y'all. Jeff Bezos, do you know how many people die in Jeff Bezos's uh Jeff Bezos's business, folks? People die every year in them Amazon fulfillment centers. heat stroke and other things. They die every year. Is that meany enough for you? Ain't nobody died because of Joe Jackson. Okay, but folk have died so Jeff Bezos can go buy his trophy wife her plastic implants and that huge diamond ring. That's the thing right there. That's the thing right there. That's what they're about.

So, you see, when you're a black male, they're telling you you need to be the nice guy. Okay, folks. What they're telling you is that there need to be rules. You need to impose rules on yourself, limitations on yourself. Okay? But the folk who are telling you to put rules and limitations on yourself, they ain't got no rules. ain't got no limits. When you're among them, they don't have any rules and don't have any limits. But they are telling you, "Oh, you need to put rules and limits on yourself. Rules and limits that they do not put on themselves." And Joe Jackson understood, "Dude, ain't no rules over here. You do not send your children into battle unarmed. You do not do that. You send them fully armed and fully prepared. And Joe did that. And everyone else has learned as a result. From Brandy and her family to Kanye West, everyone has learned and benefited from Joe Jackson's example. That was what they were terrified of, that that was going to catch on. that it would start with one Joe Jackson and then next thing you know everybody getting into the business would see themselves as a replica replica of him and that's exactly where it is today which is why the traditional music business is on life support because everybody now is looking to you know what can we just cut out the middleman or worse if we're going to deal with you we'll deal with you from a position of power and strength You're not going to offer us a record deal. We going to tell you what the record deal going to be.

Folks, that wasn't the plan. Michael Jackson was about ownership. They wanted you to be about singing and Michael was about ownership. That is the part they were desperate to stop and destroy. That this will not be about ownership. We're the white folk. We will own it and you will simply work for us, but you won't own anything. We'll own it. We'll get all the residuals and you'll just work for us. And Michael Jackson showed that no, the culture is about to change. And the culture now is we walk in the door talking about what we going to own. Soon as they start that bull drive talk about here's your percentage. It's like how you going to give me a percentage of something I made. How are you going to tell me what percentage I'm going to get of something I made? See that's the idea right there. It's like, oh, you're never supposed to have that idea in your head that you sit down at the table and you discussing that, okay, here's how much of what I own I am going to allow the record label to use on account of the fact that I own it. So, you're here to negotiate with me what I'm gonna give you. As Suge Knight said, yes, I said Suge Knight. Y'all remember Suge Knight said about vanilla ice and me said, "You can't give me nothing. It's what I'm going to give you on account of the fact that you owe my client." You sitting at the table and talking about, "Okay, well, kid, here's how much we'll give you." No, no, no, no. You can't you can't give me anything cuz you don't own nothing. We're not here to talk about what you going to give me cuz you can't give me nothing. I'm here to tell you what I'm going to give you. And if you don't like it, hit the bricks. Nipy Hustle was a direct beneficiary of Michael Jackson. Nipy Hustle had a bunch of folk offering him a record deal, offering him a record deal. It just wasn't the right deal. And Nipy Hustle spent what, four, five, six years in the wilderness saying, "I'm not signing a deal until the right one shows up." The industry thought that he was going to go broke. The industry thought he was going to go bankrupt. The industry thought he'd come back begging. Never happened. And they eventually had to give him the deal he wanted before then. Nobody was doing that before Michael Jackson. Nobody was doing that before Mike. No disrespect to Prince. No disrespect to Prince. But Michael Jackson never had to stand on the stage with the word slave on the side of his face because he signed a bad deal. So this Prince was a better musician. Prince gave himself all the credit in the world for his musical ability. And certainly as far as music, being a musician. Oh, he was light years head and shoulders over Michael Jackson. Yeah, but at the music Prince, you excel at music making. Michael Jackson excels at the music business. So, Prince, you might be a better musician, but Michael Jackson is a better music businessman. And one of you is going to be sitting over there with them princes in Saudi Arabia. And the other one is going to be standing at the Grammys with the word slave written on the side of his face with all of his quote musical ability sitting in his hands. No disrespect to Prince Nelson. None whatsoever. But I I got to put Joe Jackson's legacy in his proper perspective. I got to do that.

You also want to know about creativity folks here. Once again, Prince Nelson Prince, he made Purple Rain, you know, he made a movie and stuff like that. He saw some of that. A lot of that was going on at the time. Michael Jackson saw beyond that, people. As a matter of fact, Michael Jackson's greatest cinematic achievement, I believe, is still waiting to be capitalized on. How many of you remember Captain Eio? Y'all do realize that them folks and Disney and other people, they have not forgotten about Captain Eio. They have not forgotten about Captain Eio. So, anybody who told you that Michael Jackson didn't want to be in the movie business or anything like that, then go look at Captain Eio. Michael Jackson knew what he had and he knew what he was capable of. He just was not going to sell it and give it away to somebody else. And I'm just letting you all know eventually they gonna come back around to Captain EO people. Mark my words. They just haven't fig you can't screw his family out of it. They trying to figure out how they can do it. But mark my words. Most likely they're going to want the family to give them the deal that Mark Hamill, who played Luke Skywalker, gave Disney. Disney now has the rights to basically, you know, they have the rights to Mark Hamill's, you know, um, his likeness, a name, image, likeness, NIL, or at least image and likeness. So, they'll be able to keep making Luke Skywalker just like they're still doing Darth Vader with James Earl Jones's voice. They're going to be able to still do that with Luke Skywalker. I'm tell they want the same thing with Michael Jackson. So, they want to be able to do the same thing with Michael if they ever do make a deal for that. And I'm just going to tell y'all right now, the deal can be made. Oh, people, by the way, the deal can be made. Please understand that. Oh, the deal can happen. Now, you might have to drop five, six, seven billion dollars if you want to own Michael Jackson's image and likeness to be able to exploit in perpetuity. You might have to drop five or 10 billion of them things, but I'm sure a deal can be made. I'm sure a deal can be worked out. I'm sure we can work out a deal. Uh it might you might have to swing five or 10 billion if you going to get that one. But a deal a deal might be ABLE TO GET WORKED OUT. Might be able to work out a deal. We'll see. His kids ain't going to sell nothing. Remember he turned over the the estate is basically in a trust now. People, for those of you who did not know, the estate is basically in a trust. and the white lawyers he had are basically running that thing now. So, we'll see. The image and likeness thing might be something get fought over. But what I'm letting y'all know is Captain Eio was another idea. Captain Eio was another idea. The Beatles didn't have that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Everybody, they had a cartoon back in the day. For those of you who don't know, the music industry's been doing that for a while. Kiss the Beatles, you know. So certain people that had cartoons or things like that, but Michael Jackson has some visionary stuff. So yeah, when you talk about Moon Walker, Michael Jackson had a cinematic mind. Michael Jackson didn't just look at music. Michael Jackson was a completely creative person. He had a cinematic mind. And so he saw all the other ways that his creativity could have been could have been executed and could have been explored. And they want you all to forget about that right now. Yeah. He had a video game and everything, y'all. This is Michael has a lot. Yeah. For the for the for the millennials and Gen Z, they might have heard of Thriller, but they don't even know all this stuff, y'all. Michael has a bunch of things. Yes. They had the video game. You had Moon Walker. You had Captain Eio. It was a ride at Disney. Okay. And what does this movie that they just did that's made hundreds of millions of dollars in the first week? Y'all don't you know these other folk are like, "Hey, wait a minute. I smell dollars. How much of what Michael Jackson had do we still own?" Y'all know they're going back through the crates and checking their intellectual properties and their trademarks. to check and see, by the way, who owns this? Is there anything in there that we could use on account of the fact that we thought our publicity machine was going to scuttle him and that didn't happen.

Ladies and gentlemen, that is the legacy of Joe Jackson. Michael Jackson is the empire that Joe Jackson built. And when you are a black man who's got to do it, when you are a black man who's got to do it, I am not going to have anybody sit up here and tell us the way in which we have to do it when you are actively working to deprive us of our tools. I'm not going to have it. Stop letting people sit up here and tell you how we have to succeed. We don't have to have that. I want to remind y'all of something right now. There was a movie came out I think like a decade ago called Whiplash with Miles Teller and uh JK Simmons. Miles Teller and JK Simmons. Y'all can go take a look and look it up if you want to. Great movie. Miles Teller is an aspiring musician. He's an aspiring drummer. And JK Simmons is the damn teacher. And I mean he is brutal. He's smacking you upside the head and every damn thing else. They love them white men in them movies for that. Go look and see if you can find the word abusive in there, people. Now go go go Google that movie for the word abusive and then go Google that movie for the word greatness. You can go look up that movie and then with the word abuse, but then go look up that movie for the with the word greatness. You see, when a white man is cracking the whip on you, that is creating greatness. When a black man says, "Hold on, let me hold that whip right quick. You're abusive." Of course, they don't want you to have the idea, even the image in your head, that a black man can exercise unlimited, unfettered, unrestrained power and that the results will be orders of magnitude better than his white counterparts. See, that's when you start turning over trust to your future to the person who gets the best results. Well, they don't want that to be you. So even if they have to artificially handicap you so that you never get a whip. Okay, those are the rules they playing by. And I am not going to have those be the individuals who try to dictate to you or me or us or we how we should lie in eyes or remember these people. Joe Jackson got results. That's the only thing you have to understand. The only thing you have to understand is Joe Jackson got results. They want you to sit up here and have your kids remain kids forever and then tell you that's right. Your kids, let your children just be kids because they're sitting, yeah, your kids going to be working in my Five Guys franchise the rest of your life. They do not want you to see yourself or your children as lords. They don't want that. Because you see, lords don't let other people make their rules for them. Lords don't do that. Be Mr. Nice Guy. By whose definition? And why do I have to be nice? With a group of people who do not value niceness. They value power, not niceness. They're feeding you a diet of requisites that they don't even recognize. So to anybody who tries to down Joe Jackson, well, you go to see the Michael Jackson movie and oh, they don't want to talk about Joe or if they did, it wasn't nice. Buddy, Joe Jackson ain't got to be nice. The only thing he's got to be is effective because that is what you'll have to live with for the rest of your days.

I want you all to think about something here for a few moments. Think about something here for just a few moments. I want you to sit here and meditate on this for just a few minutes. I want you to imagine if you will that there is a magic mirror in front of you and that in the room just came walking in Michael Jackson. He works at the Amazon warehouse. He's a polite fella. Has a girlfriend. He drives a Mustang. He makes $44,000 a year. Nice guy. And then you sit up here and show him a mirror and say, "You're Michael Jackson?" "Yeah, what about it?" You got a different voice. It's like, "Oh man, this wasn't what I was expecting to see." What do you mean, dude? You're like a god walking where I come from. You spin that mirror around and show him. Show him him himself at the Grammys and the audience exploding. Show him himself going around the world with women fainting and crowds and throngs in the tens of thousands swooning. Show him that dude, you are the greatest musician. with the greatest song music uh seller that there's ever been. Nobody else is even close. You are the most well one of the most well-known faces on the planet. Even after your face changed, that's how iconic you are. Your whole face changed and everyone still recognized you. Now you tell me. He said, "Well, wow. That That's my life. Yeah. I mean, your dad was a bit of an ass, don't get me wrong. But how about your dad here? Oh, I love my dad. He's great. He's wonderful. Okay. So, the great wonderful dad got you working at Amazon. The taskmaster made you a god. I wonder if Michael would still thank you for that. Well, you know what, Michael? You love your dad. Here, let me pack up this magic mirror and keep it pushing. I wonder how many of you would be like, Jason, you know, I got good parents and I mean, all that becoming, you know, worldwide and immortal and historic and stuff. That's all cute, Jason. But I'm just going to sit back here at the marble slab with me and my friends. Just going to make it do the do, Jason. All that money, fame, and stuff you talking about, just we're okay. We're okay. You're not going to su me on that, Jason. It's just We're all right. How many of you would be grateful to see that door closed? How many of you would be like, "Well, you know, Jason, I mean, ain't that big a deal." How many of you would say that? That that was your life you just saw. That was the life you were supposed to have and somebody told you you don't need that in the chat room. Espresso, I'm very glad you said that. I was about to hit that. Very glad you said that.

Let me explain something to y'all right now. down here, folks. The reason why I chose the pictures that I did is this is Michael Jackson way after he's a grown damn man. And even later in life, Joe Jackson had access to his son till the day he died. Joe Jackson had access to his son until the day he died. That's all you need to know. That's what you need to know. While other folks want to pretend you they know what was going on. Let me explain something right here. Most of y'all in here, you have complicated relationships with your parents. Let's be very clear about that. Some of y'all got parents, they at the church, they love she old church lady at the church and you like, man, these folk don't know this ever. Some of you, you got your dads and stuff. Oh, your dad, you know, used to fix my car. He's a very Some of y'all got a few extra thoughts you like to put on that. There's a bunch of you in here listening to me right now that you have complex relationships with your parents. Some of y'all Joe Jackson was was a daycare worker compared to your folks. You want to talk about difficult to be with? For some of y'all in here, Joe Jackson was damn Mr. Rogers compared to your daddy. Okay. So, Oprah or Extra or Entertainment Tonight's supposed to turn me against Joe Jackson. That's what's supposed to happen. They ain't going for me. Well, he was tough. There's a lot of damn tough parents out there. What you talking about? They didn't get none of the results that he got. That man was able to get the absolute best out of his son. Most folks in here listening to me can't even get the bare minimum out of their children. This man was able to draw an icon out of his son. And it's a moment like this where you have a Patreia Gucci moment. Okay, son. If you going to hate me, you can hate me sitting next to Bubbles in your great big ass mansion with the Rolls-Royce. If you want to hate me, you can hate me over there. Better for you to hate me there than to love me working at the Amazon warehouse. So if you want to hate me, you can hate me over there in your palatial estate while you're an international icon. You you can hate me over there. I can handle that. What I can't handle is knowing that's what you could have been. And I did not push you to become everything you could be. Now, that I can't live with. Do you all know where we'd be as a people today if we had that? Because here's the thing. We don't give anyone permission to do that except white folk. When white folk get a hold of your son for college or whatever, they're allowed to do them however they want to do them. Keep them up late. Put them out there in the sun till they get heat stroke. The white men are allowed to take your children to extremes. I'm making the best out of me. You just touch them. Right. The white man, he gonna do it. Whatever he tell you, go ahead and do that. A black person shows up. Wait a minute. [ __ ] what you doing? Oh, YOU BEING TOO EXCESSIVE. WHY YOU GOT TO BE ALL LIKE THAT? LET THEM KIDS BE KIDS. White man show up. Look, your little ass being immature. Time for you to be a man at 13. Michael Jackson became an icon because he came from an icon. He came from a man who knew that Joe Jackson could not be able to do this. What he did for Michael Jackson, he knew that he would not be able to do that for himself in his lifetime. The typical baby boomer said, "As screw that. If I can't have it, then I don't give a damn about it." Joe Jackson did not do that. Joe Jackson knew that he could not go there himself, but he makes sure his children went there. He didn't s say this just because he couldn't go that it didn't matter. He said, "Okay, if I can't go, I will be the vehicle that delivers my children there." And that's what he did. And where would we be today as a people if that was the way that everybody

thought? Where would we be today? So, while you're talking about Michael Jackson, I want to remind you, do not allow them to demonize his father in your eyes. Do not allow them to do that. They will never be happy with us being anything other than sub mediocre. Do not let them sit up here and sweet talk you into accepting that that's where we need to be. You need to quit trying so hard. You need to quit trying so much. You doing too much. You don't have to do all that. That's the way they talk to you. You don't have to do all that. Now, they can do whatever they please, but you ain't got to do all that. Just understand this is setup. However, you might disagree. Therefore, we're going to go ahead and bring up the Zoom here. It's been on the chat room. You are more than welcome to go ahead and give us a call here if you'd like to. In the meantime, I want to thank everyone who's contributed to support tonight's program on PayPal, Super Chat, Vinmo. Shout out here to Nancy King. She says, "Michael Jackson, Joe Jackson equals black excellence all day." Shout out here also to Karen. Thank you very much for your support here tonight, sister. We appreciate that. To HOF Immigrant B1 is on code. Thank you very much here for your support here. To my man, Mr. Richberg, to Kenan, and to everyone else here who's contributed to tonight's program. We appreciate that. Thank you all very much for your support. Here we're going to go ahead and take a very brief commercial non-commercial break. When we come back, probably take a couple of calls from you all and more.

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This is the Black Channel. I am your host, your brother, your humble servant, the black authority. very glad to be with you all here this evening and I just want to take a moment here to touch on the fact that by the way don't get folks to sit here and make you proud of not getting results. They want to sit here and brainwash you into celebrating people who won no battles, won no wars and condemning the ones who actually did. So love the folks who bring you no results and you start talking about spiritualism and religiosity and then you condemn the people who actually didn't leave you dreaming anymore. So the folks who left you dreaming, that's who you cheer for. And the folks who made it where you ain't got a dream no more. Those are the ones you're attacking. Don't you understand your enemies will pay you to do that? Let's go ahead and jump back over here on Zoom for me here right quick. We're not going to stay up too late for this here tonight, but let me go ahead and grab Elliot here on Zoom. By the way, folks, if you're on Zoom, make sure you have your camera, your microphone turned on for me here, just so we don't have any trolling issues. So, make sure you have your camera, your microphone turned on for me here, Elliot. All right, Elliot, what's on your mind? Unmute yourself. Lower lefthand corner of the screen.

Boom. Boom. Here we go. How y'all doing? All right. What's on your mind? Um, man, this is this is a very good topic. I'm even uh writing a book about something of this nature about how parents how kids see their parents, you know. But um in one of my um discussions, I find it very interesting that that uh Joe Jackson was very intentional about being called Joseph. He said, "Don't call me dad." He wanted to be called Joseph because he wanted to be able to establish authority, um discipline, and like a manager. So, he was very intentional about telling his kids who he was and the man that they were dealing with. You know, even though, you know, it's questionable what kind of father he was, but again, he

I don't think it's any question about it. You can tell a tree about the Fruity Bears, right? Very, very much so. I mean, all I can say, brother, is anybody got any questions about him? Take a look at how what his kids did. Even Germaine, take a look at what his kids did and then go take folk can make jokes about Tito all they want to, [ __ ] They know who Tito Jackson is, right? I don't know who your uncle is or your cousin is. If I say their name, I don't know if anybody going to recognize them, but you you even know who Tito was. We know, man. We We know We know Ruby had We know the whole family. Now the kids and the grandkids and the was it the cousins, the nephews, what was one of his nephews one star in the movie. So, dude, that that's what he did. That that was the kind of father he was, right? But again, as as I go again, he wanted to be called Joseph, which which he he was very distinctive with what role he wanted to play with them boys. I loved it. I love how intentional that was.

Well, that's what it is when you're intentional, brother. You can't make a Michael Jackson by accident. You can't make a Jackson five by accident. That does not happen. That That's not going to just fall into place. Let your kids play a musical instrument and y'all figure it out. But that's not going to happen. That's not the way that occurs. That that does not that occurs by engineering and planning. Period. Period. Right. Without that, it's not going to happen. Yes. Michael Jackson was a child prodigy. He was taught from the time he could walk. This what you going to do right here, brother. You don't have a fellow who can move that effortlessly. And he just started doing it when he was 13 or 16. That ain't the way that works. That's got to be muscle memory ingraining for you from the time you could walk. And two decades later, y'all are seeing the result of two decades of work. That's what you're seeing. And with all the others, by the way, for all the pop lockers and everybody else and stuff, but they were doing that as kids. I'm just saying we Michael was the one who became Michael Jackson. We got a whole bunch of them. They didn't start doing that when they were just teenagers. They've been doing that their whole lives.

And I don't know. It's It's something about that spirit of Michael Jackson, man. Um I remember when I was in LA when uh he had had passed away. And uh it was supposed to be sad, but everywhere you went in LA was a Michael Jackson song at the at a red light, six cars, everybody's playing Michael Jackson. And that was back when he passed away. And here we are in 2026. You get the same spill, same same feel everywhere. It's tremendous, man.

Brother, the man gave you a thriller. I mean, after that, what more do you want from him? I'm serious, brother. After that, what more are you expecting from him? He gave you a Thriller. The truth is, the record label wanted to move on from Thriller. They were like, "Okay, we've gotten as much as we can get out Thriller." And Michael was like, "No, we're going to do a a movie film movie, a movie video off Thriller." And they were like, "Huh?" He had the bankroller or he got his sponsor to bankroller. But this man, this man was another stratosphere, man. You know,

and the best thing we can do is learn from the example of it because that's what he did then. How many stones are we leaving unturned now? That's the real legacy of Michael Jackson. But that came from Joe Jackson. Michael didn't just make that on his own. His father let them know that. Cuz by the way, didn't did the Jacksons have a cartoon also? They did. The Jackson Five. I'm about say, but this has been decades, y'all. Now, we got to go. This only for those of us who can remember this. They had a Yeah, they had a cartoon, too. So, brother, who you you thought Michael thought that up? No. Come on now. The Jackson by God cartoon, but that was Michael, too. Uh, no. That was Joe. Amen. Thank you very much. Give us a call tonight, brother. We appreciate that, man. Y'all don't want us to keep going into this. You think that was Michael Jackson who came up with a Okay. All right. Yeah. I mean, they had their own show and everything, folks. I mean, it's that's that that I'm just telling you that level of development that doesn't happen accidentally. That is planning. Let's go ahead and jump back over here on Zoom again. Let me see if we can get Daryl up here for me here right quick. All right, Daryl's connection is kind of slow here. I'm waiting for you, Daryl. Hopefully Daryl don't have issues this week. There you go. All right, Daryl. What's on your mind?

Good evening, Jason. Excellent broadcast as always. most part this is a powerful one Jason you know I'm in Chicago man so we're not too far from Gary Indiana and this this area was lit with Michael Jackson as a kid growing up but you're absolutely right about Joe Jackson and that's a powerful thing because he to he took it to a whole new level and he was a people realized that he was a musician himself you know and again the whole family I'm talking about the daughters and the sons all of them became became famous every last one in that house.

Also, a big part of that was being Jehovah's Witnesses. That's right. Folk don't like to talk about that, but you and me are old enough to know this. Brother, I mean, if you I've I've met

I will say this for the Jehovah's Witnesses, for the black folk who joined them. I don't know what it is about it, but they tend to make they they tend to be very on point and very disciplined. You know, I I can't really name a a dummy black Jehovah's Witness I've met. I don't know what it is that's so attractive to these intelligent black folk about that. I don't know what it is, but that is definitely a factor. That was definitely a factor for the Jacksons. I can't take that away from them. That was a big factor for them. Not saying I want to join it, but just I ain't saying I'm getting my ticket to ride, but I am saying that that's a thing right there. So them Jehovah's Witnesses, that that can be heavy. That can be heavy.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes, it was. Yes, it was. Well, I know that a friend of mine down the street from me, we were growing up, they were a Jehovah Witness. They didn't go outside a certain time of day and they didn't go outside on certain weekends because they were they were, of course, they were in their Bible praying, but they were disciplined. All of them went to college, all of them professionals of what they was doing and everything. And even when they were in college, they didn't play if they had they played sports, they couldn't they they had to study first before they could play that sport. If that if those coaches was allowed to take them because of that, they took them. But sometimes they didn't. But sometimes they did. And that's that's a true statement about the Jehovah's Witness. That's very true.

Yeah. Somebody said Prince was Jehovah's Witness. I think it became one later. I don't I don't know if he was raised as one. Michael was raised as one. Yes, he was. But I I don't know if Prince was. But like I said, I mean, maybe Prince fig off on him. Who knows? You know, between them and the Scientologist. So, I guess there's certain groups like there like, "Hey, we ain't letting y'all black folk if you ain't producing." And then you got to outproduce them and whatnot. So I think when you think about that in Scientology, certain certain these segments right there, especially ones that have had histories of animosity toward black folk.

So I mean whether or not you think they right for going above and beyond to join them, that's a different discussion, y'all. That's a different discussion. But certainly certainly it it does attract a certain type of person for it. Thank you very much for giving us a call, brother. We appreciate that. Let me see if we can get Rashad up here on Zoom for me here right quick. Let me see if I can get Rashad up here on Zoom for me. All right, Rashad, what's on your mind?

What's going on, Jason? This is um Rashad, movie insurrectionist. It's very interesting you're talking about this on my channel. I actually spoke about the same exact thing about Joe Jackson. So many people always want to try to demonize um Joe and particularly black fathers, strong black fathers, without giving him the proper do and putting the way he raised his kids into proper context. And one of the other things that through my research I found out is this lie that his kids all hated him and he was this big abuser and all of them confirmed that which is not true because I've seen on tape Tito multiple times. Uh Germaine multiple times.

Yeah, especially Yeah. Especially Yeah. Um Randy, Jackie, all of them. Even even Latoya, although she made that accusation about him doing inappropriate sexual uh things towards her, she walked that back years later. They've all stood up for their father and said that he actually um did not abuse them. He disciplined them and the depictions that you see in in media are exaggerations and characters of him. Even

the media came and capitalized on it. Once you This is why you have to be careful about the you and me. You're a little bit light-skinned, but you came the same way. This is why your people tell you don't speak against them in public. I tell you, do not speak against them in public because you your parents will only get half the respect that people see you give them. So, they may not understood, but you you drop them little crumbs like that and whatnot and you think you're telling your life story or whatever. Oh, I had a rough upbringing. These folk get done with it. Damn it. It's faux dead, three wounded when they get done telling the story.

Absolutely. and and and and I'm glad that Michael himself before he passed, he walked back a lot of the stuff that he said about Joe. He and he put into context about him being a black man coming from Arkansas who was in the midst of Jim Crow, going through the things he went through and dealing with the kind of racism he had to encounter. He wanted to make sure that his kids had the opportunities that he never had. And Michael actually said that at the end of his life, you know. So, so, so my thing I always tell people who always say something about Joe Jackson, especially folks who are not FBA, who are not from our community, who are not black, how many of you guys had to deal with Jim Crow, with slavery, the and and being just a generation or two straight off the plantation. And these this is a generation the generation Joe Jackson came from. They were a generation of black folks that had to create their own opportunities because there were none uh available for them. That's where he came from.

And brother, my whole thing is that he got results at the end of the day, brother. I mean, you can have all the good damn intentions in the world. If you ain't got no results, what value was it? So, if Mr. Nice Guy could have took us to the promised land, he would have done it. Joe Jackson was the one who took you. That's who it's going to be. And we need to have respect for that. Not for some mystical nice guy that never showed up. You need to show some respect to the one who did and got y'all to stop dreaming. He actually got you over there. All right, that's it. Enough said.

But all that and the the the dominant societies will seize on that and whatnot. And then the folks that we don't hear nothing about. I mean, so who are we supposed to lionize? All them folk who are cheating us out the damn money. Those are the good guys right there. So Joe Jackson's bad, but the folk who been cheating out the money, THEY HE ALL RIGHT. hate him. He lived his island, but he got Okay. So, he takes his kids to church and we supposed to be celebrating him and Joe Jackson. Oh, you was mean that they'll have you sit up here and be celebrating the folk exploiting you and condemning the folk who helped you. That's sad,

but you you're very right about that. Um, and I for those of us who are old enough, I know I keep saying that, but we've seen him over the years when you mention about Germaine in particular. I mean, Germaine was always supposed to be leading things in that regard. didn't quite turn out that way, but Jermaine was always leading things. And I think that um that's a that's if you want to really know about them, that's the most reliable source to be totally honest primarily because he was being raised to lead them like that. You know, he was being raised to do that. And so, especially if you ever hear him do interviews that you can see right there, that's what they wanted it to be. If you ever saw Germaine Jackson do an interview, you know, he's not showy, he's not flashy like that. He's not trying to be entertained. He's just straight talking to you, you know, he's charismatic, energetic, all that, but he can straight talk to you like that. He's not trying to put on a show. He's not trying to be entertaining. You ask him a question, he gives you an answer. He was always very good for that. And I can tell that's a lot of his fathering him right there. That's you can tell when somebody was grooming him how to talk. You're going to be the spokesperson for the family. So, this is how you need to speak like this. And it went from there. Latoya I'm not I'm quiet because I'm like, should I even should I even say this next part? I I can say this next part. Back in the day, I had that poster from Playboy magazine. What? Um

I did too. Don't Don't You're not the only one. I saw it. Oh, brother. I I And And one day I I'm serious. Just one day I was like, "H I don't know. This might be too corrupting for me." And I threw it away. I'm like, "Oh, why did I ever do that?" But yeah, I I had the poster from Playboy magazine from back in the day, y'all. However, what I am telling you though is that we had her in Playboy. We didn't get Janet up in there. So, in that case, I know what happened there. Then, white dudes got a hold of her. Yeah. The white dudes got a hold of her and then next thing you know, you got to speak against the family and turn against your daddy and stuff like that. So, you see what happened there.

It it was it was that that that uh that that guy she was married to him who associated with the mob. He beat her up. As a matter of fact, she wor about Joe Jackson and this fell over here doing the Boston stomp. So, okay. Yeah. And and and nobody ever talks about him. There's people online today. I always have to sit up and and and tell them, you know, Latoya said that Joe touched her. No, she didn't. She took that back. She She sat up and she said this man who she was married to beat her up. Who beat her up? Now, that actually did happen. This is not an accusation that actually happened. There's there's there's documentation of what he actually did to her. She she filed a police report against the man.

The media don't the media don't want to talk about this though. If we do the Michael Jackson if they do a sequel to this Michael Jackson film, can we talk about him? I'm in favor of that. Me as well. Me as well. But but but you know, but anyway, I I'm I'm in favor of putting this this myth to rest of of uh of Joe Jackson being this monster. Even the way that Coleman Domingo portrayed him in the film. I I sort of had a problem with because I thought Lawrence Hilden Jacob did a better job making him a little more balanced, more more of who he might have been like. But but

I mean but but I get it. I mean I get it. First of all, Domingo, you're absolutely correct. He did a fantastic job. He really did. However, I mean on the one hand I mean I kind of hate to say it. If you remove that now, what do you have? And do you want to put a white person in there which would really be your only other alternative? You can find some smarmy white executive or something like that to take that place. You see what I mean? So if you remove Joe from that as far as the dynamic, what kind of film do you have? Like are people going to just show up for two hours to see Michael and them sing and dance and Diddy Bob? It starts sound like one of them Christian movies, you know, where everybody's just smiling at each other and stuff. Are you going to sell $200 million tickets of that? So it's like, okay, well, if somebody gotta be the bad guy, well, I guess we can throw Joe out there because what are your alternatives? So I I'm I'm justing from from Well, I'm just supposing from that's what I'm saying. I mean, the only alternative is now we got a white savior or I'm just saying now we shoehorning the white person. Okay, he's not the savior. But so from a creative license standpoint, I I get it, you know, because otherwise who we talking about, who we focusing on. So to that extent, I get it. However, what I will say is that it's still up to us to keep these things in proper perspective about Joe and Michael and Germaine and Janet and Latoya. You know, it's it's our responsibility to that. And the good news is now we are because before now you just took whatever they said and you just whatever the magazine said. We're having conversations with ourselves, people like you. We're we're the ones setting the narrative now. That movie did not make the money it's making right now because people believe what the media said. People are ignoring that. They're ignoring that and they're listening to what we're saying. So, in that regard, I'm like, I'm all right with it. I'm all right with it. And case in point, I mean, I don't think Joe would be too upset about it either, to be totally honest. Like, hey, he wasn't Mr. Nice Guy. Well, he wasn't. He wasn't.

No, he wasn't. I I I mean, and you know, I I f with Joe Jackson. I mean, Joe Jackson reminds me of my grandfather. My grandfather was from Arkansas. He was that kind of guy. He was, you know, my my my my grandfather was was a blue black black man from Arkansas, you know, gun toteening running through the streets of Compton back back in the 50s dressed up like mouse from um Devil in a Blue Dress. You seen pictures of him. That that that was my grandfather. Uh Joe Joe Jackson, you know, reminds me of my grandfather when I hear him talk as an old man, you know, he came from that same generation. So, so I, so I understand what he had to deal with and the kind of obstacles that were set in front of him, you know. So like so like you said or you know what I said before you know for him to to get his kids from where he came from to the heights they they got to you know that in itself deserves respect you know because most of these people whether it be Brook Shields whether it be Liza Minnelli or Liz Taylor or any of these other people in the do society want to wag their finger at Joe Jackson they didn't have a tenth to deal a tenth of the obstacles to deal with that he had to deal with for him to get to for him to get to where he got and for him to get to uh for his family.

That kind of sternness is always portrayed as a positive for everybody else. I mean, brother Tony Soprano, Stone Cold, Steve Austin, I mean, for for that is always a positive for other people. Beat the brakes off of somebody or anything else that is they can be as serious as they want to be. It's only when you show up, you have to be nerfed and you have to be docile and you can't be threatened now. But these other folk over here can be the most threatening, menacing people on the planet and all they tell you is, "Well, look at their results." Okay. Well, you know what? That's going to be the rule. We're going to do that right there. Thank you very much for giving us call tonight. Like I say, look for those of us in Louisiana, same thing. Same thing. Arcadia, Mansfield, you name it. And we we want to respect that. We want to respect that. The only thing they should have done is teach you how to sing and dance a little bit better. And this idea that your children are going to be grow up and be oneif what they could have been and we celebrate that. No. Okay. Alistair, go ahead and unmute yourself.

Yeah. What's going on, brother Jason? How you doing this evening? All right, brother. What's on your mind? Well, you know, I watched the movie and um I do agree with some of the um callers, you know, about the character of um Joe Jackson. Was he was he a pretty heavy-handed man? Yes, he was. And that's ex that's pretty expected because I had a father like that. My grandfather who grew up in in Arkansas, both my parents, grandparents, they were like that as well, too. Had to and everything instill some discipline from our children so we don't get in trouble and get caught by the police back in the day cuz you know what's going to happen after that. But anywh who he what he did what he saw was when he saw these children knew what they were doing performing everything else he had a tall order because he was competing. You mentioned about the Osman family. That's who he was going that's who he was um chap going after because the Osman was back then in the late 60s early 70s they were always on ABC, CBS, NBC doing all these specials and everything else. And Joe Jackson wanted to do the same thing with his with his with his children. You follow me? He wanted to compete against the Osman's and take away some of their, you know, their listeners and the audience because, you know, back then they enjoy pop music, rock music and um you know, pop rock music and everything else. I mean that I mean that was the standard of um of what America want was looking like, you know, like the Osman family coming from a Mormon place in Utah and everything else. And then the Jacksons, they came, they didn't come from a um they didn't come from a nice environment and everything in Gary, Indiana, but they had to work their way through and get those audience to, you know, first black audience and then all of a sudden global audiences and everything else. Don't forget back in the 1970s, you had the Jackson family shows and everything else. They always had the Jack. I used to even I was about four or five years old, I used to watch that and everything else. So what what you got to give Joe Jackson credit for taking on against the norms of that of that time period and expanding and getting all those audiences from all different racial backgrounds and showing them look look at my my six show my six sons and three of my daughters they're performers. And because of it, you're building wealth generation. This the Jackson legacy is going to continue on, brother Jason, for for generations to come. And what Jafar Jackson the way how he played Michael Jackson.

Yeah. Will not be surprised if he gets nominated for an Oscar. That that would take a a universe with a little bit more justice in it than the one we currently inhabit. Uh, I I don't know if they're going to want to push themselves that. I don't know if they could take going that far, brother. I don't know if them I don't know if them folk could take that. I do. I think so. I mean, he certainly would deserve it. Whether them folks going to do that to themselves like that, it's like, okay, it's bad enough you beat their ass because remember the critics were all over it and everything. They were trying to destroy the movie. It's like, whether they gonna give themsel whether they're going to give you an award for destroying them or not. Uh, I don't know about that one.

I think Okay, your signal is kind of breaking up on you there, Alistair, but thank you very much for your time, brother. We appreciate that. By the way, here folks, like I said, I'm not going to stop what I'm doing here tonight, but what I will say is that people Yeah, before you start questioning these things, Google is y'all's friend. Let's not half read things. It's I've seen a bunch of folk asking questions. I'm seeing folks saying some things that are wrong. Google is you all's friend, man. It's just Google, look at these things. When did the Osmans come out? It's like, okay, when did they make their television debut? Because remember, you're going to be aware of them in the music business before they make a number one album. It's like, okay, they don't just come out of nowhere. So, folks, come on now. Come on. Let's keep it tight. All right, let's go ahead and jump back over here on Zoom again. Let me see if we can get Rashad up here on Zoom for me here. Let me go and see if we can get Rashad up here on Zoom for me here. Okay, there you go. Rashad, what's on your mind?

What's going on, Mr. Mr. Black? How you doing? Okay. What side of the world are you in? I'm in Southern California, sir. Okay. It still look pretty bright out there. All right. What's on your mind? Well, well, I wanted to talk more about the the Michael Jackson. So, um, as a huge as a huge fan myself, um, you know, I didn't really need to watch the movie, um, to get my intake about how everybody viewed Mr. Joel Jackson himself, too. Um, to get his family to where he wanted, especially from where he was coming from. Um, you know, a lot of people, surprisingly enough, don't really give too much credit to what people in the South had to endure coming up during those days, especially with Mr. Joe and in his generation, especially as a black man in as far as having to have that, he he's he's the kind of man that you would kind of rarely see these days into how how much effort and work and consistency it takes in order to be successful. And he was a no joke. He was a nononsense kind of man. And um if it wasn't for the fact for him even being the way he is, like everybody says, "Oh, he's mean and all that stuff or whatever." But he got the work done. And people don't understand where he's originally from, you know, and um

yeah, I mean, they're looking at the aftermath, man. This is these things weren't handed like younger folk today are we don't want to get them confused and thinking everybody gets a record deal for being mediocre talent. That's not the way it is. The Jacksons had to be drilled on it and whatnot. They had to be Michael was the only one who did not formally play an instrument. Uh the rest of them did. So, I mean, yeah, you actually had to have talent. You had to actually have ability. They've grown up today thinking all you got to do is have a cute face and a nice midriff and somebody else will autotune your crappy singing. It's like no, you actually had to have ability and back then it was doggy dog. So, and if you're black, it doesn't matter how great you are, they always going to try to put you in a handicap. So, no, Mr. Nice Guy doesn't operate in this environment. Oh, yeah. One more thing. You have black gangsters in the music business, too. What by the way? Sure did. I mean I mean look at I mean I'm I'm a millennial myself too. So, a lot of people missed missed the fact that like you just said, you know, there was a lot of gangsters going on. Michael is is one of the only rare cats that I knew who had much influence even with the Bloods and the Crips during that time, you know. So, for him to be that influential just says a lot within itself with how far he he had came within his his abilities in in the music industry compared to what you see nowadays because I'm because where I'm at, you know, I'm in LA a lot too. the the the new upcoming stars that you see these days, they're all one hit wonders. If if that, you know, they think, like you just said, you know, they think, it's just all sunshines and rainbows. All you got to do is just have a cute face or whatever. Especially, you know, when some of the women out here and stuff like that or some of the guys out here thinking you just got to do one, two, and then you're successful. No, that's that's not

that's the whole point of the business today is to specifically prevent the advent of another Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson, as I said, when he sat down with Sony, he's like, "Here's the contract. You can't give me nothing. Here's the contract." And he could get it. Yep. Their whole goal now is to prevent that from ever happening again. So, yeah, talent is the enemy because people with talent have leverage. And so, with the with the folk today watching it, you have a bunch of dis quote dispos I can't even call it talent, but disposable talent. That's the whole point. You'll make one album, one song, and then you'll be done. You will not be able to use our investment against us and take it somewhere else. So, it's like it's like a movie. That's what it really is. Today, the the record labels or whatnot want to put out quote acts the way you put out a movie. So, they have a writer like a Diane Warren or a Timberland or a whoever. They got their studio writers where the fellow who writes the songs for I mean we everybody know now Drake can push a T whoever that fell's name is I forget his name but um the fellow who wrote the songs you know

he's just one among many okay now he ain't never had to hit nothing and the labels aren't going to give him one so he's allowed to write music for other people but he's not allowed to become a superstar in his own right okay you in their back pocket Quint Miller yeah Quint Miller so Quinton I I mean, no disrespect to him. Obviously, he knows his way around the pen, but he's not going to get any further because the machine is like, "No, no, no, no. Your role in this machine is to write for us." So, if you even try to get outside of that, you ain't going nowhere. And he's tried and they they show you. The machine is like, "Yeah, we need to get back over here and write." So, you have a bunch of disposable talent, a bunch of disposable acts like fast food. You're supposed to consume it and then throw it away.

Yeah. I mean even the word itself just talent alone it's like that's that was a rare thing to even be said you know with somebody who had that ability to even get out there these days I just call it luck if anything else you know he was at the right place at the right time and so forth and that's how you whatever yeah I mean but nobody thinks about the longevity now unless you had the abilities like my boy Prince did Michael Jackson did and he was smart enough to know how you know the industry really works as far as you know when Prince always emphasizes of containing your masters. Containing your masters, you'll never be able to claim what's really yours, right? But then but then Prince turned around in the middle of the 90s and signed a bad deal with Warner Brothers. So he did that at the height of his abilities in the 90s. Yeah. I mean, but you know, you you live and learn. I'm not saying, you know, everything's going to be all hunky dory and stuff like that, you live and learn, but at least have the the idea and and the um the common sense to know that this is your work. Your your work alone and and your name is all in this. The most the smartest thing you could ever do is just know that have your have your ducks in a row and and not let anybody take your name that you created and use it against you. You know, there's so many artists out there that I've seen over the years rise and fall, and I've always wondered like, you know, whatever happened to them because they never read through the paperwork. They never understood what really they was gettingel to, you know, getting themselves into. Cuz a lot of folks, you know, they come in from the slums or whatever the case may be and they they don't think about none of that stuff. They just see the contract, oh, let me sign my name on there and then boom, I'm off to go. And then four or five years later down the road, you know, your whoever they signed to, you know, they hit them with the ball and chain and, you know, they're in surprise. You know, same situation with um for example, I could use um your girl Meg the Stallion. You know, a lot of people kind of forgot back in the uh what was that in 2018, 2017, she was already um find out that she she was stuck with she's already unhappy with the deal that she had with the baseball player who signed her originally. And now Jay-Z, I'm just saying if Jay-Z and Rock Nation is coming, you already know she's 360 up now. So, they basically got a receipt for her for the rest of her life at this point. Yeah. It's a wrap. you know, they her life is in their hands literally at this point, you know, and who knows, you know, what whatever they got in store for her now since this whole situation with Klay Thompson and all that stuff, you know, it's uh it's a given. You probably might not hear from him just like um you know, many many artists who before her, you know, at the end of the day. But I say all that to say this, you know, um with Michael being gone for so long now, there will never be another Michael Jackson. There will never be anybody close in my opinion who will have that kind of gift and ability to to really be authentic and genuine and and and um I can't even really speak on him and say that that's what he loved to do, you know, in his life since, you know, his father put him on and all that. But I'm thankful that we got the man that we got who became such an influence and he's he's already got where we at now. This this is like the third generation now who know about Michael Jackson, you know, next besides Tupac and everybody else, you know. You're not going to find too many artists like that that'll have a long-lasting longevity and you'll hear people say their name like you do today, you know.

Yeah. Like I said, I mean, we have to take this seriously as business with everything we do cuz everybody else is they want you to sit there and dance and not take it seriously. You're like you're a big kid and oh, let me get a record deal so that I can make a living at music. All right. You trying to make a living and these other folk are trying to make a killing. That's the big difference. So no, we don't do ourselves any favors whatsoever. Conditioning ourselves or the children to treat this like a game. Damn that. When you talking hundreds of millions, ain't no game, bro. That's not a game. Absolutely.

And at the end of it, they send you back where you came from. They walk off with the damn money, with the wealth, the power, and then send you back where you came from with nothing. I'll let you last. They sure do. And a lot I mean I I agree with you 100% you know and um a lot of people who get lucky enough to get signed in places like California and LA and people don't understand you know with California especially Southern California this is a hustle state man we not here to sugar coat stuff and we're not here to tint everyone we are here for business and you need to treat it as such. I don't know where we went wrong down the lines to where, you know, you think you can just make a couple of songs and, you know, go and do some, you know, outlandish stuff and think your your fans are still going to be loyal to you because you got a lot of fans who are really, you know, looking up to you and and they're they're on you just like you should be on your music. You know, if you're trying to play games and stuff like that, then that's just not the

No, most the problem is that most people are not disciplined. And the worst thing that can happen to an artist is to be successful overnight. If you yesterday you had nothing and today you got a million dollars, brother, you know how it is with somebody building a garage on your house. You give him 20,000, you ain't going to see that [ __ ] again for another two, three months. Now imagine giving somebody a million who's never had it before. So once they get that that they figure this, they're going to keep going until that million dollars is gone.

Okay. Hey, but in the meantime, you're losing audience because the audience ain't just sitting there waiting for you. You tell yourself you're special. None of y'all are special. The if you don't show up, the audience will move on to somebody else. Even if they have 75% of the talent or ability you do, they they're going to move on to something else because they have the time to do it. When you have management, people who don't make money off of music, they make money off of music business. He going to be calling YOU UP. HEY, [ __ ] OH, we got to get back in the studio. It's time. It's been 6 months. We need to Well, bro, I made an album last year. That's right. We got six months to make an album for the next year. So, new we got to start marketing and promoting and doing interviews. Yeah. Somebody to do all this unglamorous stuff. That feels like work. You're not here to hit the lottery cuz you got in the business. Can you stay in the business now? Now that you in it, cuz that money going to run out eventually, which it always does.

Unless Unless you pull the stunt like Rihanna did. You know, she already had fans for years asking her the exact same thing. Where's that album at? Where's that ammo at? Where's an album at? Rihanna was already she she I think in my opinion she did the smartest move that any other artist could have done. She said while she's already at her peak at the top, she was already thinking years ahead of the game. Okay, when this thing all comes to an end, what am I going to have left? She understood what the situation we, you know, with her even working with Brett Jay-Z and Rock Nation alone. She I'm I'm pretty sure she was smart enough to know what was going on in that game. She said, "You know what? I got to find an exit plan and I got to find it fast." So, I'll throw little samples here and there, you know, when it comes to music, but I'm not gonna full full I'm not gonna put full effort into this whole ABN thing because she probably, you know, I can't speak on what was going on in her life, but I'm pretty sure she saw some sketchy stuff going on within that business. She said, "No, I went out, so I'm going to do it this way."

Well, I I'll always believe she signed a 360 deal. I don't see how in the world you getting Sephora with the weight that she did, as successfully as she did, if you ain't got major backing. is Beyonce has tried it what, three or four times now from Ivy Park and she's tried it three or four times now and it ain't worked for her, but it did for Rihanna. So, I'm like, hey, I mean, obviously it worked out to an extent. Don't know if I would have did it, but you know, it is what it is. Thank you very much for skipping this call tonight. We appreciate that.

Yeah, folks, we need to we need to value results, man. We need to value results. That's what I'm on right here. You are not going to be able to demonize Joe Jackson to me. He got results. your choir boys and whatnot, they didn't get results. The gangsters got results. They have us sitting up here, well, you know, y'all gotta be nice people. And you know, okay, the nice guys don't run things. They sitting up here giving you a formula for being submissive, but the folks who run things are doing exactly the opposite. So, you got a question to ask yourself. Do you want to be have folks sitting up here congratulating you for going along to get along? Or do you want to sit up here and say, "Hey, you can hate me all you want to. I run things." Joe Jackson might not have been liked. He was damn sure respected and still is to this day. Folk liked his son. They respect Joe. They They respect Michael, too. They respect Joe. And I'm just saying as a people and particularly as men, I want us to put a very high premium on that part right there because that's valuable. That's the legacy that you pass on. Right there. We're going to go ahead and wrap things up here tonight. If you are new here to the black channel, welcome to the haven of intelligent black thought. We do this every week and holidays, some days in between. So click that subscribe button and that notification button. Join us each and every time that we are here. If you haven't been to black channels.com, check out our groundbreaking, bestselling documentary work at black channelms.com. I want to thank all of you for tuning in tonight's program live or recorded. Thank you for liking, subscribing, and sharing. And this concludes tonight's broadcast of the Black Channel. I am your host, your brother, your humble servant, the Black Authority. And until next time, my brothers and my sisters from around the world. Remember, black is the future.