Who is Cajun Cardboard?

Hey guys, Cajun Cardboard coming at you from the great state of Louisiana. Excited to bring you a little background video today. I know a lot of you guys have been listening to my videos; you're probably wondering, "Who the hell is this guy? What does he know about basketball cards? What's his history? Why am I listening to him?" I go through those same types of questions when I listen to people, and sometimes it's nice to just kind of give you a framework, um, just kind of giving you a general idea of what I'm about, um, you know, how I got here, um, my collecting history and the hobby, and just like who I am as a human being. I don't want to go into too much detail because this is being shared with the world, but generally speaking, I think it's a good idea to kind of give you guys an idea of who I am and where I'm coming from. So I'm going to try not to make this too long, but this is just basically: I'm going to take you chronologically through my human-being bio and let you know a little bit more about who I am, and then I'm going to take you chronologically, start to finish, through my hobby bio and let you know where I started as a collector and how I got to the year 2022 and what I did uh, in in between those years. So, um, without any uh, delay, let's just start.

So I was born in 1974. Yes, that makes me 47 years old. Um, basketball's in my blood. I was born in Louisville, Kentucky, which I consider the basketball capital of the world. People in Indiana would disagree; people in New York would disagree; people in Chicago would disagree. Whatever. Louisville is uh, the heart and soul of basketball in our country, uh, and I was proud to be born there. Um, from 1974 to 1982, I played basketball from the time I could walk. Um, when it was snowing, my dad and I would shovel the snow off the driveway, put on mittens or gloves, and I would get shots up. He rebounded for me every day of my life until uh, until I didn't need his help anymore. And uh, and so that's kind of how I got started, right? Watching uh, University of Louisville, University of Kentucky, um, as a little baby. I saw some Cardinals games; I don't remember any of those from the old ABA when Dan Issel was there, but I remember my dad talking about Dan Issel and Artis Gilmore. So I kind of grew up in the 70s basketball era, um, and uh, so that's kind of that's kind of where I started. I had a Nerf goal in my basement every single day of my life, or in my bedroom, all the way through high school; just always had basketball around. It's always been my passion.

I moved from Louisville, Kentucky, to Baton Rouge, Louisiana, in 1983 when my dad got transferred. He was a banker; he got transferred to a bank down here in 1983. Uh, I literally, at the time, was nine years old. I thought I was going to have to take like an airboat through the swamp to get to school because all I knew about Louisiana was alligators. I knew LSU existed, and they had a dude named Howard Carter who was really good, who I remember watching on TV, um, and uh, Leonard Mitchell and some other guys from LSU. So I knew a little bit about college basketball. So all I knew was LSU purple and gold, and I thought I was gonna take a swamp boat to to school. Luckily, when I got here, they did have paved roads; they spoke the same language. And so I've just kind of acclimated myself, and now honestly, I feel more Louisiana uh, than I do Baton Rouge, and I love um, I love Baton Rouge. I mean, I feel more Louisiana than I do Kentucky, and I I love Baton Rouge, and I feel like it's more home now than anything uh, since we've settled here for what is that uh, 40 years, something like that. So, um, I grew up all through middle school playing uh, baseball and basketball, uh, played baseball and basketball in high school uh, here at a high school in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. It's a pretty well-known high school here. Both of my high school teams were nationally ranked. My senior year, we had nine players from my high school basketball team play college basketball, go on to sign to play college basketball. We had 12 players from my high school baseball team go on to play college baseball; many of them Division I; six of them played at LSU; four of them were drafted straight out of high school. So I was a very good player surrounded by absolutely phenomenal players, but it was a pleasure to play basketball and baseball in high school on those teams.

Um, we uh, I played in the AAU national tournament in 1990. Uh, back then, the national tournament actually meant something. Now you have the Adidas circuit, the Nike circuit, Under Armour circuit, so the national tournament's like the next level of teams and so not real competitive with those shoe shoe company circuits, but back then the national tournament was everything, and it was the true national champion. So only two teams from every state qualified; our team did; we were pretty good. So that was a great experience. It was actually in San Antonio, Texas. Shout out to Slap Talk, um, San Antonio. Uh, in 1992, I actually signed um, an athletic letter of intent to go play baseball at Loyola, which is an NAIA school in New Orleans. That year, I tore ligaments in my elbow, which prevented me from playing baseball right when I got there. So I sat that year out while I tried to rehab that and played so much pickup basketball; I had no skin left on my feet. I knew everybody in the city by the end of that year who played basketball because I played so much everywhere, anywhere, any game we could find, concrete, indoor, everywhere I was playing ball uh, and studying. That's it. So that was my freshman year. Sophomore year, I actually decided to walk on and play basketball. So start of the year as a bench warmer, as a walk-on with a bunch of scholarship guys in front of me, and then by the end of by the end of my freshman year, which was my sophomore year in college but my freshman year in basketball, I was a starting point guard. I ended up averaging 10 points a game as a freshman, which is a pretty good clip because there were a lot of games where I'd get in and score one or two points, but by the end of the year, I was solid; I was entrenched at the point guard. You know, got an opportunity because of some injuries and just because I really played well. Um, I actually was at one point in the top 10 in the nation in NAIA in three-point shooting and free-throw percentage. Um, so I could shoot the ball pretty well. Again, if you're from Louisville and you're a white dude, you better know how to shoot a basketball, and so that's kind of what I attribute that to, and that and tons of reps. Uh, so 1995, that's the end of my basketball career, unfortunately nothing glorious or spectacular, but it was fun; it was a great experience.

So 1995, I actually met my wife, my junior year in college. Quit basketball, uh, decided to go back and try to play one year of baseball, uh, hoping that my elbow had healed. I got through the season; I was a relief pitcher; I couldn't put a lot of innings on my elbow; it was still super painful; I just pitched through the pain, but it was fun to get to play two sports in college, albeit uh, not a very glorious uh, you know, resume. So that was it; got to play those two. My baseball highlight that uh, that was actually my junior year in college, but I got to play against my uh, old teammates from high school on the LSU baseball team. That was during the some of you guys may remember the heart of the Gorilla Ball era where uh, that LSU team was setting records and hitting more home runs than any team in history, um, so I got to play against some of my old teammates, and that's something that I I still talk about that today when I see them here. So uh, I can't tell you some of the things LSU fans would say to us in the bullpen during that game, but uh, but that was a fun memory that I'll always have. Uh, so my senior year, I decided to just enjoy my senior year and uh, and spend that with my wife, getting to know her and dating her. Um, so we ended up both graduating in 1996 uh, from Loyola University in New Orleans, which was a great experience. Um, ended up getting married the very next year; I couldn't wait; I was in love. Thought I was gonna be a banker just like my dad. Got a the first job offer that I got, I took it. I just knew I was gonna be a banker. I saw my dad playing golf and wine and dining clients, and he had a flexible schedule; he was at all my games and practices, and so I thought I was going to jump in and do what he was doing. What I didn't realize is it takes 30 or 40 years to get to that point, and so banking for me was just a little bit too slow. So one of my buddies actually one night talked me into going to law school. Uh, I hate reading; he told me it was a lot of reading; I don't know how he convinced me to do it, but I decided to attend law school. So I applied and got into LSU Law School; that's a three-year program for those of you who don't know. My third year of law school, I had my first of seven children. Yes, I have seven kids. Comment below; I've heard every joke you could possibly make, but if you think you've got a new one, throw it in the comments. Um, so I had my first of seven children my last year of law school, which sort of made me an anomaly, um, and then decided to chase the money, and I went to work at a very big international law firm with, you know, over a thousand attorneys um, worldwide down in Houston. Uh, I was a trial attorney; it did not take long for me to figure out that was not what I wanted to do. I thought it was, but it wasn't. So some of the best uh, the best ways to figure out what you want to do in life is to figure out what you don't want to do, and so I had child number two in Houston, decided to come back here to Baton Rouge and start a new career as a real estate transactional lawyer. Um, so I opened uh, uh, what's called a title comp, real estate title company here in town with two uh, law partners, uh, which is uh, done very well, you know, knock on wood, uh, God's blessed us with uh, with a really good real estate market here in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, for, you know, for every year from from 2003 when I moved back and started the company until today; it's going very well; a lot of hard work, a lot of great people around me. So that's what I do. If you buy or sell a house or you buy or sell a shopping center, uh, I'm your guy. That's what I do; I make sure the documents are great. That's what real estate transactional attorneys do; we just make sure everybody's buying and selling what they intend to and make sure everything's legal and uh, this is again me making it as basic as possible, just making sure you buy what you think you're buying, free and clear, so that you're the owner.

So uh, I will go backwards here. So from 2004 to 2016, um, I uh, have a a pretty extensive experience as an AAU coach. For those of you don't know, AAU is like a amateur athletic union; it's basically like grassroots basketball, summer basketball, which is actually spring and summer. Uh, so I coached uh, assistant coach with an AAU program here and then uh, coached with uh, what's called a Nike EYBL program. We got a Nike contract, and so we became one of 40 programs in the country um, that competed on the Nike circuit. Uh, most of the guys you see in the NBA or that you see get drafted in the lottery, they played on a shoe company circuit, and most of them played on the Nike EYBL circuit. Uh, Jason Tatum, De'Aaron Fox, Ben Simmons, uh, like just too many to name, Malik Monk. You go down a list; LeBron, all those guys played Nike EYBL basketball. So I was the lead recruiter for our program, so I got really engaged with a lot of guys that are currently now in the pros, um, tons of overseas pros, tons of guys that are just now in college, um, but uh, some some of our guys are actually in the pros right now, like Skyler Mays plays for the Atlanta Hawks; he played with our program; great kid, great family here in Baton Rouge. Um, and then uh, during that same time period, I started two or three other successful side businesses, but my primary focus always uh, you know, remains to this day, you know, my title company and and being a real estate attorney; that's how I feed my kids and send them to school and uh, and keep my wife happy. So, um, for fun, uh, what do I do? I lift weights; I work out; uh, I love fantasy basketball; I'm in a really fun fantasy dynasty basketball league; shout out to the TCBA if you happen to be watching this; it's been around for 20 plus years, so it's really fun. Uh, I wish I could still play basketball, but due to injuries and all the time that I spent jumping and playing on concrete, it just hurts too bad. So no more basketball for me. I can go out there and shoot it with with my kids and shoot it with people, but I can't really play because it just hurts too bad, and it's not worth it, and I am 47, uh, and I don't like it that young guys are better than me now, and uh, it's just hard for me to to come to grips with. Um, I do coach and attend all of my kids' practices and games. I don't coach all their teams, but I do attend all their practices, attend all their games, and and you know, working at my own company gives me that luxury uh, to to make sure I don't miss anything that my kids do, and I got seven of them, so it's a lot of stuff. Uh, I like to spend time with my family; love to collect cards; and I've just now recently started this channel, which I'm really enjoying. So that's pretty much it about me from 1974 to present. Let's talk about my uh, collecting uh, life in the hobby. So, um, I'm pulling my notes up here; sorry, it's like I can't remember what my collecting history was, but I wanted to be, you know, on point.

So in 1979 is the first memory I have of collecting. My dad would take me to the flea markets in Louisville, uh, you know, where people were selling old clothes and shoes or whatever. Well, there was always a dude there with baseball cards, and so my older cousin uh, was collecting these baseball cards, and so I was probably five years old, so I would go with them to the flea market; I'd try to collect the Cincinnati Reds cards because that was considered our home team because Louisville didn't have a baseball team. And from that day, I was immediately fascinated with the idea of collecting all of something, which I think in the hobby what we call now today is set collecting. For some, there was something about it where I wanted every Cincinnati Red; I wanted to put them in numerical order; uh, I wanted to collect all the Oakland A's; I wanted to put them in teams, you know, and sort them and organize them. So I was a a super set-collecting hobby nerd from day one. There was something about it; it was like love at first sight. Um, I can remember in in 79, so we would kind of after the flea market kind of era, uh, you know, I was playing T-ball and little basketball and little soccer, and so after games my dad would bring me to a little, you know, we call them gas stations now, but back then they were called convenience stores, called Magic Market, you know, right at the front of my neighborhood, and I would pick up uh, 1980 Topps baseball and 1980 Topps basketball packs. Vividly remember that was the first true year where I was opening packs, and so uh, you know, still remember those trips; couldn't wait to get in there; I'd grab the packs because they had gum in them, so I didn't have to buy gum and packs like you do today; I just get the gum with the packs. Um, you know, I often ask myself, so so from 81 to 90, I just collected baseball only. I don't know why; I did play Little League baseball and played baseball all growing up as as you heard, but basketball was always my first passion; it was the thing I loved to do in my free time; um, it was the thing that I wanted to watch the most; I just always was drawn to basketball. So I asked myself, for that decade from 81-90, I did collect baseball just like every other kid; you'd mow yards, go buy packs, open them, put them in sleeves and top loaders, and or put them in you really put them in the nine-pay, you know, nine-slide binder pages, uh, which probably destroyed the cards. And so I would ask myself, why in the hell was I collecting Jose Canseco in 1986, trying to get this Canseco card so bad when I could have just been buying 86 Fleer for ten dollars a box? Uh, again, I'm sure a lot of us can look back and say how our life would have been different, uh, but me, it's really maddening because uh, it didn't make sense why I was chasing baseball cards so much instead of basketball cards, and the only thing I can think of is that's what everybody else was doing, number one, and number two, there was no basketball cards, you know, I'm not counting Star cards, but there was no basketball from 1981 until 1986 pack-pulled stuff, and so uh, it just kind of didn't exist; it wasn't in the hobby; it just never appealed because all of my buddies were, you know, chasing Canseco and Dwight Gooden and Darryl Strawberry and Mattingly and Boggs and Gwynn and Greg Jeffries, you know, of all people. So, um, so that takes you uh, that takes us through 1990. So I did that through um, probably my sophomore year in high school, and then I didn't collect from 1990 until 1998. So a full eight years off, you know, just like everybody who you see interviewed when they asked about their hobby history, you know, got married, I found girls, dated, you know, got married, uh, went to college; just a lot of stuff going on where I didn't continue in the hobby for those eight years.

Then in 1998, that's my first year in law school. One of my very best friends, a basketball friend of mine at the time, said, "Man, look at this," and he was showing me Topps Chrome cards, and then he showed me some other cards that he bought at like Walmart or Target, and he was hooked, and you know, when you meet somebody who's just gotten hooked in the hobby, you can see it in their eyes. Well, he was hooked on the hobby, and he was he immediately I saw how excited he was, and it just clicked. He's like, I was like, "Oh my god, they've got jersey patches in cards; they've got autographs on the cards; like you could pull an autograph out of a pack." I thought that was fascinating, uh, and so sure enough, the first card I saw in 1998 was uh, was Topps Chrome, and I fell in love immediately, as I'm sure many other people did. So from 1998 to 2004, I started ripping wax, right? eBay existed, but it wasn't the same; it was super primitive; there was no PayPal; there was no Venmo; it didn't have obviously the inventory that we have today; it just wasn't that easy to buy and sell on eBay, but it did exist uh, during that era, but I was uh, primarily just buying boxes at the local card shops and busting them open, which was a blast, and it was actually pretty affordable even though I didn't have a pot to piss in at that time since I had a bunch of student debt and was in law school and didn't even have a job. Uh, so we ripped every pack we could find in Walmart; we bought everything, man, every single low-end product you can think of, Topps, you know, Collector's Choice, everything we could find, we bought it, and we ripped it, and uh, and it was just a really fun six years of collecting. I remember us paying about 110 dollars per box is what the going rate was for Topps Chrome; it could get in a little bit cheaper if you if you bought in bulk. Uh, so I pulled tons of LeBrons, Carmelos, Wades, uh, believe it or not, at the time people were actually even uh, chasing T.J. Ford and Chris Bosh, uh, as funny as that sounds. Um, so that was a little six-year collecting binge where it was really just ripping wax and whatnot. I did have the foresight, and thank God BGS was around, and I decided, you know what, I'm going to send all my LeBrons, Carmelos, and Wades. By 2004, I knew these dudes were special; obviously everybody did because they were nuts from their rookie year on. So I sent all those to BGS, got them back from BGS, so they were all slab. We're talking I don't know, between those three players, and I graded all my Bosh's as well, and I graded all my Yao Mings, and so I probably had 150 slabs just of those five players. Luckily, about 40 of them were LeBron rookies, so it was really nice. I put it away; didn't even consider collecting for another 12 years. So from 2004 to 2016, didn't touch cards.

Got back into collecting in 2016 because of Giannis. I've done a couple of interviews with some other shows, so I'm not going to talk too much about this, but Giannis got me back in. The Bucks were my favorite team; he quickly became my favorite player. I started buying Giannis in bulk; I couldn't believe how easy it was to buy on eBay, and I said, "I'm just going to buy hundreds of this guy; I'm going to have more Giannis than anybody in the world." Well, I didn't know what was going on in the hobby, but I just cut I just clicked by on everything, you know, so I'm buying Giannis base prism cards for, you know, 10 to 12 each. He was good by then, but I don't think anybody knew what we were going to be looking at in 2022. So, um, Giannis got me back in it; got me into the investing side of it, especially. So I loved Giannis, so I was a collector, but I was also an investor because those cards started going up in value. You know, graded all of them, sold a bunch of them, took some good profits, um, then did it again uh, with Ben Simmons, then did it again with De'Aaron Fox, and did it again with Jayson Tatum, then did it again with Dončić. Same kind of thing, just buying in bulk raw, sending to PSA or BGS, grading and then selling, and then taking those profits and then just doing it again. So really investment-oriented from 2016 to 2019, and then um, you know, I transitioned from purely investing; I started thinking to myself, well, you know, things are going really well, and we didn't know how well they would go, but I started kind of transitioning to becoming an uh, you know, a collector as well. So I became kind of a hybrid collector-investor, which I consider myself today, uh, because I wanted to hedge risk a little bit, and I wanted to put those profits into something that I felt really comfortable with long term. Uh, so I started buying um, in bulk uh, Jordan. Again, all this profit from these ultra-modern flips, I took all that money and put it into the Jordan 57 Fleer in 2019 um, and towards the beginning of 2020, but primarily the year of 2019 was the year of Cajun Cardboard buying Jordans. My name is Brian, by the way. So that was the year of Brian buying Jordan 57's, uh, 1986 Fleer and Jordan 1986 Fleer stickers, all graded, no raw, all PSA or BGS graded, and I got to about 50 combined Jordan rookies um, just in 2019. Remember I had made good money on these Giannises and Fox and Simmons and Jayson Tatum and Dončić, you know, all that, not Morant, but all that stuff, and so in 2019 I just

I transitioned all that money into Jordan's. Well, then all hell broke loose, right? And so, uh, the hobby went nuts. Well, I left out I also put together a bunch of 1986 Fleer sets in 19 and 20. Um, three PSA eight sets, two PSA nine sets, and a PSA ten set, um, which was, uh, I'm very proud of all of them with stickers. So 143 out of 143, all those sets have stickers. So I had six '86 Fleer sets. I should have kept doing that, but it honestly, it just got boring after a while. It was really fun—maybe the most fun I've ever had in the hobby—is putting those '86 Fleer sets together. Um, but I did that in 2019 as I was buying the Jordans because I just fell in love with that set and the nostalgia that it gave me from, you know, collecting way back in the 90s.

Um, and then something crazy happened: the pandemic happened in 2020, and I started, uh, riding my bike. While I was riding my bike, I got tired of listening to music. And so, for whatever reason, I had the fever, right? And so I just typed in "basketball cards" into my, uh, YouTube, and sure enough, I pulled up Cardboard Chronicles, started listening to all of Josh's episodes. I pulled up House of Jordans, which I really fell in love with, and then I also pulled up a dude, uh, who's really popular, but back then he was called PSA Collector, but I think he had to change his name, but he was called PSA Collector on YouTube. And, uh, those three YouTube channels gave me a newfound, absolute love for 90s basketball, which I knew absolutely nothing about because, as you recall, I did not collect cards in the early 90s during that era. So, uh, really just binged on all of those episodes, just hung on every word. It actually got me in really good shape because the longer the episodes were, the more that I had at my disposal, uh, the further I would ride my bike or jog. And so, um, fell in love with Jordan inserts specifically, you know, from listening to House of Jordans.

And, uh, and then I started to transition my collection. Okay, so I started to transition all whatever I had left of the ultra-modern stuff—not all of it, but a good chunk of it—into, uh, a pretty big 1990s Jordan PC, a Shaq, uh, PC, and then, uh, kept adding to my LeBron PC with inserts and some, some rare colored prisms and Topps Chrome and stuff like that. And, uh, and then obviously my Giannis PC, I continued to grow, uh, my Giannis rookie card collection. And so now that's where I'm at in the year 2022, but that was in 2020 I started to kind of transition into those four players: Michael Jordan, Shaquille O'Neal, LeBron James, and Giannis. Those became my big four PCs; those are really the only four guys that I do, um, truly collect.

I never bought a pack of basketball cards in the 90s at all—not one pack of basketball cards in the 90s. Uh, I shouldn't say that up until 1998. So all of my knowledge was from content; it was from reading on the internet, was from, you know, those three channels that I told you about. And there wasn't a lot of YouTube content or podcast content out if you can recall back in late 19, early 2020. So everything I know about the 90s has just been from content because I never pulled anything out of packs. You know, a lot of people go back and they collect 90s because they remember how fun it was to search for those inserts and packs. I didn't know what an insert was until I started watching these channels. So, um, anyway, that's kind of takes you to the year 2022. And so, you know, from 2020 until today, you know, my, um, my path has just kind of been to transition from ultra-modern, uh, investing into kind of get those four GOAT type players, Hall of Fame player collecting, and then set collecting, which is truly one of my passions.

So, um, as today, I would probably sit here and tell you about 10% of my hobby involvement is like truly investing or prospecting, and probably 90% is, uh, picking up, uh, you know, GOAT type 90s inserts I don't have or Hall of Fame player cards that I don't already have, uh, that are unique in my collection. I'm not doing nearly as much hoarding or, you know, duplicate buying and stuff like that. I'm really more collector than investor today—probably 90/10 collector/investor. Um, and then, uh, you know, I'm currently—what am I doing now? And so this is all 2022 as of right now, just so you guys know what I do if you haven't figured it out from watching the channel. Uh, I'm currently collecting the 2012 Prism PSA 10 base set; I think I need 20-23 more cards. Um, I have collected the 1997 Metal Universe Precious Metal Gems red set, um, which has become pretty popular lately. Uh, I put together and collected the 1993 Scoring Kings PSA 10 set, um, and I'm collecting the, um, Intimidation Nation set, which I've just kind of basically just started. I'm trying to collect that in high grade, and that's not cheap either. Uh, so I'm currently just trying to, uh, what am I, you know, trying to grow my Jordan collection, trying to grow my Shaq collection, I'm trying to grow my LeBron collection, I'm trying to grow my Giannis collection, but Jordan trumps all, and, um, all money ends up funneling back to Jordan. It just does; that's just, that's where I'm at. I fell in love with it, and I have not been able to, uh, to shake the fever; it's only grown.

The more hobby collectors and more really astute, just impressive Jordan collectors that I meet through Instagram or Facebook or or talk to on the phone or watch, you know, on, on hobby content on YouTube or listen to on podcasts, the more my love for collecting 90s, uh, specifically Jordan in the 90s, has grown. So, um, I'm gonna dabble a little bit in buying a few, uh, cards from the 21-22 class. There's a couple of, uh, off-the-radar rookies, uh, that I like to, you know, uh, prospect on that have very low price points. And so if Panini will get off their ass and actually release the products that I care about, uh, I would try to get into a little bit of that, and it would be more the same: buy raw grade, um, and then hold until, you know, they appreciate. Hopefully, you know, knock on wood, hopefully I can guess right on some of my prospecting. I've got a bunch of videos talking about how I do it and what I, you know, what I look at and what I care about. Um, so that's, that's what I'd like to do, but Panini's got to release the products. But my overriding goal for 2022 is to consolidate my collection. Um, so while I will be adding a few more cards, you know, in 21-22, really I'm trying to add fewer than I sell and try to consolidate into more higher-end cards. And so, you know, Jordan duplicates or Jordans of lower grade or some of these ultra-modern cards, uh, I'm trying to sell those cards, take that money and funnel it right back into Jordan cards I do not have but I wish I did have, especially the low-pop inserts. That's kind of my niche; that's kind of what I go for.

Um, and so that's really it, guys. I just wanted to kind of give you guys a rundown, um, you know, of who I am, where I come from, what my roots are, um, you know, so you get some kind of perspective of who I am and where I'm going and what I'm about. So, um, all of you guys that have messaged me on Instagram, I really appreciate it. I feel like I've gotten to know a bunch of you guys just over time. Um, but, um, anyway, that's it, guys. I just wanted to kind of, um, reach out to you guys, let you know a little bit about myself. Comment below if you got anything funny to say about, uh, about my seven kids. Um, like I said, it's the, the greatest blessing in life to have those, uh, to have those seven kids as my own, um, and fatherhood, like the greatest thing on earth, you know, even better than collecting basketball cards, if you can imagine that. But, uh, anyway, thank you guys for listening, um, you know, stay positive, keep collecting, have fun, and peace.