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Hey everybody, Dr. G here. I'm a clinical and forensic psychologist as well as a body language expert. But today, we're not going to be analyzing body language. Today, we're going to be doing a forensic analysis of the 20,000 plus emails and text messages from the Epstein files.
Before we get started with this, couple of quick things. One, I wanted to make sure you know this is not a psychological evaluation of any kind. These are just my opinions. In addition to that, I do want to remind you to like and subscribe if you want to see more content just like this. All right, let's go.
In the forensic cases I've worked on, it's not unusual at all that I'm given stacks of emails, text messages, Facebook posts, you name it. If it's something that the person wrote, I ultimately have to analyze it and build a profile. Now, what I did in this situation is I went through and read all of the relevant documents, emails, text messages, articles, everything that was provided by the House Oversight Committee.
First, I want to talk about the relationship of Jeffrey Epstein and President Trump. So after reading through all of these, I got a very good idea of the type of people that Jeffrey Epstein respects, likes, and wants to surround himself with. He likes scientists, professors, journalists. That seems to be the people that he really wants to connect with and the people that he values. Now, when we talk about somebody like President Trump, he does not fall into those categories. He's not an academic. He's not a scientist. He is not somebody that Jeffrey Epstein seems to value.
Now, his emails about Donald Trump fall in one of two categories. On the one hand, he he wants to know everything about President Trump. He wants to know where he's traveling to. He wants to know what's going on with him politically. He's constantly being sent emails and articles about that have been written about Trump and he's sending other people articles that have been written about Trump. So, there is just a lot of interest about what's going on in Trump's life.
On the other hand, when he talks about him personally, he describes somebody he doesn't like. He basically says that Trump is borderline insane. He describes him as someone who doesn't have a decent cell in his body. He basically doesn't see him as someone that he values. I think that Jeffrey Epstein sees himself as smarter than Donald Trump. That seems to be the way that he describes him. He makes fun of Trump being a genius in one email. So, what I gather is that Jeffrey Epstein did not like Donald Trump.
Now, at one point they were friends. I think they've both acknowledged that at one point in their lives they were friends, but during this period, it seems like there's nothing but disdain. Not only did Jeffrey Epstein dislike Donald Trump, he actually tried to cause harm. He tried to help during a congressional hearing when they were when they were interviewing Michael Cohen. He was texting with, you may have already heard about this, he was texting with a congresswoman trying to help her and trying to prompt her on the questions to ask. So Jeffrey Epstein very actively was trying to harm Donald Trump during this time.
Now, the way he talks about former President Bill Clinton is totally different. I think that there was a real kinship there and I think they remained friends for a long time. There's evidence to suggest that that we're going to get into when we get into the actual emails. Now, despite that fondness, in 2016, it seems like there was something that Bill Clinton said that made Jeffrey Epstein feel like he couldn't trust him. And it is characterized that Bill Clinton is very manipulative. That's how he sees him. He's someone he likes. He's someone he wants to spend time with. But he also describes him as extremely manipulative.
And in terms of what I learned about Jeffrey Epstein himself, in terms of what he's like, in terms of how he communicates, he is someone that absolutely loves to have leverage and power over people. This goes exactly with what we already know about him, which is he's someone that wants to be in control. That shows in his emails. What's interesting about the way that he emails is that he he uses sentence fragments. He doesn't actually form whole thoughts almost ever. Occasionally he will actually use proper grammar, but it's full of spelling errors, half thoughts. He's usually telling people what to do, trying to organize what somebody can say as a response to different situations like the Virginia Duprey situation. He's trying to tell people what to say in those situations.
And before we get into the actual emails, there is one thing I want to cover about how he communicates. He is fully aware that people might read these emails. He had already been convicted back in 2008. He's very careful about what he says. And some things are said intentionally that he knows are not true, possibly knowing that at some point people are going to review these things. He is fully aware and I know he's aware because he says this is for phone only or call me about this. Don't put this in an email. He makes specific references to that. So he sees email is an unsafe, unsecure communication. Whereas phone I guess he assumed his phone calls were not being listened to at that point. I presume they weren't because I haven't heard anything about that. But he seemed to think talking by phone was a safe way to communicate. Sitting through email was absolutely not. So keep that in mind as you read this. Don't take what he says literally too often. Do not take everything he says at face value because he's only putting information out there that he thinks other people could read and that wouldn't get him into trouble.
Now that we've talked about Trump, Clinton, and Epstein, let's talk about the actual content of the emails. Let's look at the most consequential emails and we'll talk about what those mean. Now, the first email we're going to look at is about former President Bill Clinton. Couple of things I want you to keep in mind as we go through all of these. The formatting can be a little bit weird. It was originally sent over and released in just a wall of text. It looked terrible. It was impossible to read. I've got it reorganized. And so, some of them are going to look like this. Some will look like raw emails. But just understand these were formatted so they would be easier to look at.
So, this email exchange is between Jeffrey Epstein and Kathy Rumler. And if you're not familiar with her, I believe she was the White House council counsel during Barack Obama's presidency. The first email from Jeffrey Epstein says, "Talking to MacGyver disturbs me." And that takes a lot. It's at the bottom, by the way, if you're keeping track of this. Now, what he's saying is he's talking to Bill Clinton. That's MacGyver. MacGyver was someone that could get out of any situation. It's very clear in a second that that's who they're talking about. But I assume they refer to him as MacGyver because he's able to come up with things on the fly, which also suggests that he's manipulative. And we're going to get much more into that as this continues to go on. But he's saying talking to Bill Clinton right now, what he's saying is disturbing. And that takes a lot. That is probably one of the most significant things to have come out in all of these emails. That really blows my mind. But let's keep going and we're going to talk more about it.
Kathy Rumler replies, "What part do you find disturbing? Do you think he's losing it?" So I suppose just because he's getting older, maybe they're implying that it's some sort of age related issue. Jeffrey Epstein says, "You were right and I was wrong. Humble pie crow or my own words is what I get to eat today. Your choice." Kathy Rumler replies, "Mean, I win the bet that I will never receive an apology or acknowledgement of the acceptance of responsibility." Jeffrey Epstein says, "I could never ever verify its authenticity. So, yes." And Kathy Rumler replies, "I will just say, 'I told you so.'" Not to sound overly dramatic, but he's very close to being a psychopath. He has no conscience. It's scary. Now, that is a profound statement to be making about somebody that they both apparently know.
Now, Jeffrey Epstein replies, "I was wrong." Kathy Rumler replies, "He obviously said something to you yesterday that was disturbing, and you don't want to tell me. Just tell me. I can take it. I promise." Jeffrey Epstein replies, "My memory is a friend killer." I stopped talking to Clinton when he swore with wholehearted conviction to me that he had done something. He had forgotten that he also swore the exact opposite to me only weeks before. So, he's painting Bill Clinton as a liar and a manipulator. Kathy Rumler replies, "Mcgyver takes it to another level because if you call him out on it, he will explain with a straight face that both statements are true."
Now, we actually saw him do this when he was president. Bill Clinton, I mean, when he was president. But what this says to us is that these are two people that are talking about Bill Clinton being an extremely manipulative, disturbing individual. I'm very curious what Jeffrey Epstein's referring to when he was saying that they were talking about something that disturbed him. I also want you to keep in mind this is 2016. This is many, many years after Bill Clinton allegedly had no contact with him. They just went on a trip to Africa together. They traveled a little bit together because it was convenient to ride in his plane. They don't really know each other. That's the line that was being said. So, I want you to keep in mind they were on the phone on January 22nd, 2016 talking about something that disturbed Jeffrey Epstein. So, to me, that is true new information that we are gaining from these Epstein files. If we talk about the various bombshells in it, to me, this is a big one.
Now this email exchange is between Jeffrey Epstein and Landon Thomas Jr. Now Jeffrey Epstein was really bothered by the accusations made by Virginia Guptrey. They caused a lot of problems for Prince Andrew obviously and they were causing a lot of problems for him personally. So understand when he talks about this he has every reason to say things that are not true. Let's read through these emails then we'll talk about their significance.
So Jeffrey Epstein says and you got to keep in mind these are backwards so the older ones are going to be on the bottom. Email reads, "Landon, there's a redacted name, which is likely Virginia Dufrey considering the context of all of this, but the storyteller crafted much of it out of whole cloth. Part of her story is that she was at multiple orgies with Clinton and specifically the minute details of a dinner hat on the island with him. He sat on my left, came by black heli flown by Ghislaine. Clinton was never ever there. Never. It punches a hole in the Durwitz Andrew allegation, making it all apparent that it was fantasy and delusional. Thoughts? Who should break the story?"
So, you have to think about what the purpose of this email is. The purpose of this email is to say that Virginia Dufrey is lying and nothing she's saying is true. So, by saying Clinton was never ever there. Never. That if they can prove those things, it would punch a hole in the the Dersuits and Andrew allegations. So, making it apparent that it was all fantasy and delusional. So, this is not him trying to express what the actual truth is. He is fully aware that people may at some point monitor these things and he's trying to create what would be a story that would then all of a sudden make the Durowitz and Andrew allegations go away.
So Landon Thomas Jr. replies, "Let's have a chat. You do need to fight back somehow. Present evidence that she is lying and show the world that you are no longer that guy. You have made changes and that this is the past." There's some contradiction here. Now, I know this is not Jeffrey Epstein that wrote this, but it's kind of funny because he's basically saying, "Say that she's lying, but also show that you're not that guy and that you've made changes from being that person." So, she can't both be lying, and then have him be a different person than he was when he did these things. It just doesn't really make any sense. My sense is that it's TV type thing where you just talk honestly about this, present evidence that it's not true, and focus on what you've been doing for the past 5 years. Charlie Rose, you can't just sit there taking punches like this, especially when the British tabs are driving this. Maybe you can go on British TV. Call me anytime."
So he is saying, "You need to fight back against this. Let's get you in front of cameras. Here's what the dialogue would be." Jeffrey Epstein is saying, "This is what I could say. This would be the story." That doesn't make any of this true. So you can't be overly literal with someone who knows they potentially are being monitored, who when they have something really serious to say, they say it over the phone. He he references that in other emails.
All right, let's keep going. So here's an example of an interaction where he talks about not giving specific details by email. There are plenty of emails like this, but I just wanted to give this example. So Epstein messaged Landon Thomas Jr. and basically after a long explanation of whether or not Al Gore had ever been to the island and so on and so forth, at the end they talk about this and say phone only because that means there are details he does not want to give over email. There are there is sensitive information and he is aware of that. So anything that he puts in these emails, he is fully aware. may be read by other people. So, always keep that in mind when it comes to reading through all of these emails.
Now, we're going to look at a text exchange between Jeffrey Epstein and someone whose name has been redacted. So, we don't know who this is. It label it G. That is most definitely not the name of the person. Their name has been redacted. It's just because these were text messages. The data gets a little bit funny. So, don't worry about the labels. Anyway, so on December 2nd, 2018, the two of them were having some conversation about some sort of injury that the other person had had. But then on December 3rd, this person reached out and said, "It will all blow over. They're just trying to take down Trump and doing whatever they can to do that." Jeffrey Epstein replied, "Yes, thanks." It's wild because I am the one able to take him down. So, is he being grandiose or does he actually have something that would be harmful to President Trump? That's what's unclear because later on we're going to get into an exchange with a congresswoman where he's actively trying to harm Trump. He's actually trying to get Trump taken down basically. So it it's unclear what this would possibly be if this is just him being grandiose because he is someone that sees himself as being in control. So when he says I am the one able to take him down, that could just be that he's grandiose, that he believes that he's knows things that are that important. And as we'll see later, he continues to try to assert some kind of control into President Trump's future.
So here's an email exchange between Jeffrey Epstein and what seems to be a pilot. Although they redacted the name so we don't know for sure who it is but based on the context that's what it seems like right here. Jeffrey Epstein essentially is writing out what the pilot should say. This is basically his draft of how he believes the pilot should handle all of these questions. "I only met Jeffrey Epstein after I was adult over 18. I was never ever his sex slave. Obviously a lurid chauvinistic categorization which in my opinion could only have been made by some loser of a repressed male reporter. He was always kind, funny, generous to me. These fantasy fabrications made by a delusional thief charged with stealing from the burger place which she worked though she claimed to be paid thousands of dollars in cash and held back held at the beck and call of the genius tycoon." I think that the genius tycoon is supposed to be referencing Trump and I don't know if the fact that genius is misspelled is supposed to be ironic or if it's just that much like other areas Jeffrey Epstein just doesn't spell very well. "Her storytelling had it been done while sleeping would have been called dreaming if awake hallucinations but to the English press they are referred to as allegations. She claimed in the midst of detail her dinner with President Clinton on the Caribbean island. How he arrived by Black Kelly where he sat on Jeffrey's left a 21st century tale of power, sex, money. The fact that this story is total makebelieve fabricated on purpose to gain tabloid attention and easily refuted by readily available travel records of a former president. It defies belief that any person would take seriously such a preposterous story. Little different than her telling her father that she met the queen. Whoops. He believed her though her mother at a at a relevant time complained that she must have been engaging in Satan worship and asked that she be put in a drug room. Come on. I am currently a professional pilot with a spotless record. I have a checklist that I follow before every flight to verify things that are where they are supposed to be. Checking her story, which the press has refused to do, would serve the public well. In this case, human error is merely a euphemism for hijacking the truth."
By the person whose name is redacted, they are now asking how my parents bought a building in town, implying it was all the money they got for selling me, getting ugly. But this shows how Jeffrey Epstein manipulates. He's crafting a story, trying to make sure that he can manipulate people and make sure that they understand. This is how you have to talk about Prince Andrew. This is how you have to talk about President Clinton. You have to make that this person Virginia Dufrey who made these accusations seem ridiculous. No one would take her seriously. It's it's trying to get people to talk in those terms. So he wants to have some control over this. He's creating what people should say. So rather than just allowing this to play out honestly, this seems to be how he operates.
Now this is an email exchange between Kathy Rumler and Jeffrey Epstein. In this Jeffrey Epstein emails Kathy Rumler with the title Steve Bannon. First there's a link to an article about Michael Flynn and then he says which has to do with with the Trump administration obviously and then he says "Do you think Bill Clinton would like to join you, Ehud and Steve? Could be very funny, all off the record." Just to give you some context of who he's referring to. So the meeting would be Jeffrey Epstein, Kathy Rumler, Ehud Barak who was a former Israeli prime minister and then Steve Bannon who used to work with President Trump although this was in 2018. Could be very funny, all off the record and they wanted to include Bill Clinton as well. So, this was a real desire in 2018 to get together with Bill Clinton. He proposed that as though that was an actual possibility. This wasn't like it was somebody he didn't know. Once again, they were still talking in 2016. He may not trust Bill Clinton as much now, but he wants to get together with him. He wants to spend time with him.
So, Kathy Rumler replies, "He might like to. His lawyer would advise him against it." And then a little smiley face, "Are you feeling better today?" So the kinship and closeness between Jeffrey Epstein and Bill Clinton is still there so much that even Kathy Rumler knows he would like to get together with them. So it does show that there was a real relationship, a real connection that lasted at least up until 2018.
Now here's an interaction between Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein. Now this is following a bunch of questions that had been sent to Ghislaine Maxwell. Seems like Prince Andrew is freaking out a little bit because these questions are all about Virginia Dufrey in that situation. Prince Andrew says, "In reference to the the previous questions that were sent, what? I don't know any of this. How are you responding?" Jeffrey Epstein says, "Just got it two minutes ago. I I asked lawyers to send a letter. Not sure. It is so salacious and ridiculous. I'm not sure how to respond. The only person she didn't have sex with was Elvis." Prince Andrew responds, "Please make sure that every statement or legal letter clearly states that I am not involved and I knew nothing and know nothing about any of these allegations. I can't take any more of this on my end."
Now, we're really seeing their personalities come out here. Jeffrey Epstein basically framing things the same way he has previously about Virginia Dufrey, which yeah, this is ridiculous. We got to talk about this is though it's ridiculous. He's going to put that in writing to make sure everybody understands. Nobody should take these seriously. And that's what he hopes. He hopes that people can just brush their hands of it and go, "This is so disgusting. The things are so salacious. No one's going to believe this. They're ridiculous." That's how we should approach it. And he's been very consistent with trying to state things in that way.
Now, Prince Andrew obviously he seems extremely anxious. You can tell that just by reading this, particularly "I can't take any more of this on my end." But in this, he is telling him what to do. Right now, we have two very controlling people telling each other exactly what to do here. Jeffrey Epstein's trying to say, "Hey, talk about this like it's no big deal." That's essentially what he's hinting at at this point, whereas Prince Andrew was saying, "You tell people that I had nothing to do with this. I know nothing. I I'm not involved here. You cannot involve me with this." So, it's this attempt to assert absolute control in this situation and command that he not be associated with this in any way. Obviously, it didn't work. And for anybody who's seen the BBC interview, we can see why he didn't want to have to talk about these things.
In another email to Ghislaine Maxwell, Prince Andrew says, "Hey there, what's all this? I don't know anything about this. You must say so, please. This has nothing to do with me. I can't take any more of this." So, the amount of stress once again that he was under at that point must have been tremendous. He must have been very very anxious and scared about this because that's how this reads. This this reads like someone who is commanding that they insist that he had nothing to do with it but he also sounds very very scared. So his idea is to avoid. So and that's frequently what we see with people that are anxious. When people get anxious they avoid. And that was going to be his strategy. Rather than hit things head-on, which he ultimately tried to do and it didn't go well, he was going to just try to avoid it. Let everybody else handle it. You say nothing happened. You tell everybody I had nothing to do with this. I can't do any of this. Please leave me alone.
So, this is an exchange between Michael Wolff, the journalist, and Jeffrey Epstein. Now, he's basically asking how he can get to Trump, how he can talk to Trump. And Jeffrey Epstein is giving him advice, basically saying that if you want to ask him questions and you don't want to get thrown out, here's how you have to approach it. "Maybe you can ask why Bernie now spam got Vince Foster's letter quickly. That's a Hillary problem." So, in other words, and this would have been 2016 before Trump was elected. So, focusing on Hillary, that's going to get him answering questions. "He would smile and then you can go ask ask his relationship with the electrician unions in Mar-a-Lago and out you go." And then Jeffrey Epstein wrote more. "Do you want to be provocative? Trump shuttle, Hawaiian Tropic contest, mortgage on Mar-a-Lago, revenue on golf courses income." So all of these that would be embarrassing financial questions potentially or the intent would be to ask him questions he doesn't want to have to answer about finances.
Interestingly, that's what he's helping him focus on because he knows what is going to bother Trump. He's trying to help other people get to Trump. So, I talked earlier about how he wants to harm Trump. This is how he's trying to do it. He's trying to do it in a backhanded way. And then Michael Wolff asks, "What was the letter?" Jeffrey Epstein replies, "Now spam White House counsel. Hillary doing naughties with Vince." So, for anybody who doesn't know who Vince is, Vince is referring to Vince Foster. He was White House counsel for Bill Clinton. And there have been a lot of conspiracy theories suggesting that the Clintons were in fact involved in his death because he was found shot. We're not going to get into all of that, but that's why he was suggesting that he bring that up because that would be something that would go against Hillary. That President Trump could talk about, but ultimately that would just lead him into asking more difficult questions or more harmful questions. So, it's very interesting to see the level of manipulation that Jeffrey Epstein's trying to engage in here.
So, now here's an email exchange between Mark Epstein and Jeffrey Epstein. Mark Epstein being Jeffrey Epstein's brother. He has addressed some of this publicly. We're going to talk about that, but let's get to reading it and then I'll explain. So, Mark Epstein says, "How are you doing? A while back, you mentioned that you were pre-diabetic. Has anything changed with that? What is your boy Donald up to now?" Epstein replies, "All good, Bannon with me." So, I guess he's saying that that he's not worried about the pre-diabetic stuff, but he didn't respond to the Donald question.
Then Mark Epstein asks a couple of days later, "Ask him if Putin has the photos of Trump blowing Bubba." So, what he means by this, he's saying, "Ask Steve Bannon if Putin has the photos of Trump engaging in some sort of salacious act with Bubba." Now, he's now most people assumed Bubba was Bill Clinton because people call Bill Clinton Bubba. Mark Epstein has said it's not. He also had said that he was joking and that this was not being literal. The fact that Steve Bannon was with him. The fact that he's framing it this way. I don't think anybody's taking this literally. I know it spawned lots of memes, lots of viral content, but I don't take any of this other than two brothers joking around.
And then Jeffrey Epstein replies, "I thought I had cirrus." And that's a Yiddish word basically saying like a stress or a headache or I had I thought I had problems. I think is in essence what it's saying. Then Mark Epstein replies, "You and your boy Donnie can make a remake of the movie Get Hard sent via tin can and string." Once again, this is just two brothers joking around. What that means for anybody who's curious. There was a movie called Get Get Hard where a convict taught somebody who was going to go to jail or who was going to go to prison how to prepare for it. So, in other words, because Jeffrey Epstein has been to prison, he could teach Donald Trump how to get ready for prison. That's the implication right there.
Now, in May 18th, 2011, Jeffrey Epstein sent an email to Ghislaine Maxwell. "Do you have the photos from our Clinton trip to Africa?" Now, that's not necessarily specifically meaningful, but it is interesting that he was looking for those at that time. They're little pieces of data that I want to put a pin in right now because as the rest of the Epstein files come out, we might end up circling back to this. This may be meaningful in some way that felt meaningful enough for me to at least think about this. But, like I said, as more of these files come out, maybe we'll tie it back to something. And this is part of what can be so complicated with forensic work is that we have to be able to tie everything together. You have to remember everything you've already read here so you can address it later. And like I said, this is 20,000 emails and texts and whatnot. We may have another 100,000. I have no idea how many are going to come out when the rest of the Epstein files are released, but we're not having the knowledge here. If I didn't read all of these, it would be much harder to understand contextually what matters when those later ones come out. So, some of the things I talk about may not seem extremely relevant yet, but they might be later. So, that's why I'm including so much of this information.
Now, we're going to look at an exchange between Congresswoman Stacey Plaskett and Jeffrey Epstein. This was actually during a House Oversight Committee hearing with Michael Cohen. So for those of you unfamiliar with Michael Cohen, he worked with Trump for a long time. Jeffrey Epstein is trying to provide additional information to Stacey Plaskett so they can ask him better questions. So they can ask questions that can get to Trump better because this was about payments that Trump wasn't supposed to have made or something to that effect. But the goal here ultimately was to harm Trump. So once again, this goes back to the fact that they are at this point somewhat rivalous. At this point, it doesn't seem that Jeffrey Epstein not only dislikes Trump, he's actively doing things to try to hurt Trump. But let's look through what some of the text messages say.
Now, Plaskett is labeled as G. I don't really know why it labeled it that way because I think it was sent through his text. So, just understand the G thing. Just ignore that. So, he's providing some commentary, but also is commenting on her. So, "What privilege stands behind the non-release of college transcripts? Great outfit. You look great." She replies, "Thanks" with an exclamation point, which shows a warm relationship. These are two people that are using each other. Plaskett's using him to be able to get information and he's using her to to get a sense of control. And then he says, "Are you chewing?" She says, "Not anymore." He sends a smiley face, "Chewing the interior of my mouth. Bad habit from middle school." It's interesting. She feels the need to legitimize her behavior to Jeffrey Epstein. And then he says, "Sweet. He's opened the door to questions. Who are who are the other henchmen at Trump?" She says, "Yep, very aware. Waiting my turn. How much longer for you you?" he asks. "Hours going to other meetings. Thanks. Cohen brought up Rona, keeper of the secrets. Rona, quick, I'm up next. Is that an acronym?" That's his assistant. Rona. She called out, "Roger is on line one. Corroborator. Good work. Financial statement exhibit. Wild."
So, he's really trying to coach her. And this gives him a sense of power. Like I said, this is someone who likes to be in power and she's willing to work with someone who's totally despicable and not tell anybody about it apparently until now because it's come out. But she's been willing to do this to get what it is that she wants. To me, this is an absolutely wild exchange because it seems very friendly. It's not just, hey, give me this information and I'm going to use it. There's lots of chatter between them. If you look earlier on, "You look great. Thanks." All of those kinds of statements. And then Jeffrey Epstein also states, "The titles of each section are misleading. It talks about asset value, then related loans, and then loans payable. These are all tricks. Assets owned less than 100% operating property. What were your takeaways thinking?" But this goes to show he really truly wanted to harm Trump. He was doing everything he could to try to help in this way. So it's interesting to see that there was a relationship where the congresswoman was trying to use Jeffrey Epstein and Jeffrey Epstein was trying to use her because he wanted that sense of control right there.
Now, interestingly, back in 2013, it looks like Hakeem Jeff, Congressman Hakeem Jeff representatives were actually reaching out to Jeffrey Epstein to invite him to a dinner or to get to know him better. So even despite back in 2008 that he had been convicted of all these things, everybody already knew everything about Jeffrey Epstein at that point, people were still reaching out to him to make these contacts. People would still want something from him. And to me, that's just fascinating. And I'm not sure that it even mattered which side of the political aisle they were on. He he certainly seems to interact with a lot more Democrats, but I think that if anything, he would use anybody. Anything that gives him leverage and power, I suspect he would have leaned into.
So here's an email exchange between Jeffrey Epstein and Faith Kate. Faith Kate being an owner of a very large modeling agency. So Jeffrey Epstein once again bottom to top. Jeffrey Epstein says, "Hope today is fun for you." Faith Kate replies, "Fun. When are you back in New York City?" Epstein replies, "All next week." She replies, "Okay, Dylan will want to see you. I always want to see you. Where are you having Thanksgiving?" Epstein replies, "Ava." Faith Kate replies, "That means Glenn. Check out his red hair." Epstein replies, "Barry's color for holiday." Epstein replies, "Barry's color for holiday." Faith Kate says, "He's such a snooze. Who else? Who else is down there?" Epstein replies, "David Geffen, Hansen, Trump."
Now, I've seen people say that he spent Thanksgiving with Trump. But that's not really how this reads. The way this reads is that Trump may have been in the same area, whether it's the same resort. I don't know what Ava is referring to, whether it's the same resort, same place, that they were in potentially the same social vicinity, but it didn't sound like they spent the holiday together. So when she asks who else is down there, those are the people that are down there, but there's no indication that they actually spent the day together. Epstein so far has been very explicit about who he's going to hang out with, who he's going to spend time with. So it seems unlikely to me that he actually spent Thanksgiving with Trump, although I have some seen some people assert that because of this exchange, but I don't think that's what that means.
Now, this is an interesting interaction between Jeffrey Epstein and Suni. For those of you who don't know who Suni is, that is Woody Allen's wife. Woody Allen and Jeffrey Epstein seems to be close friends. There have been a number of people that have talked about hanging out with Woody Allen and Jeffrey Epstein together. So, I think they're very close. Suni being his adopted daughter at one point who he later married. Yes, that tells you everything you need to know about Woody Allen. Jeffrey Epstein sent her a link. Now, what this link was, it was "Bill Clinton, CIA chief is going to be part of the Trump campaign." Now, there was no context given. Nothing specific was written. It was just a link to an article. Suni replied, "Woody said it doesn't mean anything."
Now, this means a couple of things. One, it sounds like Woody Allen is not someone to email. So, he emailed his wife so that so that she could check with Woody Allen. And if you look, it was the next day that she replied. So, this was something that she had to go take to him, talk to him about, and then reply the next day. Now, the fact that this is so cryptic, the fact that so little is said here to me makes it stand out. So, what does it mean that it doesn't mean anything? What would it mean if it did mean something? What would be the significance there? Once again, as the rest of the Epstein files come out, I'm hoping I can circle back to this because this is highly peculiar. This really stands out to me, and I think that there's a lot more to this. Actually, I think this is one of the more interesting emails, but without a little bit more context, we can't draw draw too many conclusions. And my hope is that with the rest of the Epstein files dropping that this will have more context. We'll be able to bring it all together.
All right, we'll go ahead and stop here. Hopefully, this is helping you better understand some of the meaning of the Epstein files so far. Now, in terms of Jeffrey Epstein's relationship to President Trump, everybody knows they have a connection that's referred to many times, but it seems like he actively does not like him. It seems like he's actively doing things to cause harm. He does not like President Trump. That seems very, very clear, at least not at this point in time. And with former President Clinton, like I talked about at the beginning, this is somebody who I think he feels a kinship to, but also recognizes is highly manipulative. And Jeffrey Epstein seems like someone who wants to be in control. He wants to have as much information as possible. So, I'll be very curious when we have more Epstein files that can give us more context how this will all look when all is said and done. I will most definitely be reading as many of them as I can. I have no idea the volume that's going to come out or what will be released, but I suspect it's going to be much larger than what we've gotten so far.
If you have any other thoughts about this or if there's anything you thought think that I missed or there's anything else you want me to analyze, please let me know in the comments below. There are a lot of other interesting emails, but I didn't want this video to be like 5 hours long, but if there are specific ones you want me to check out, I'm happy to do that. Last thing before we get finished up is I do want to remind you to like and subscribe if you want to see more content just like this.