The Courts of Heaven (Covenants, Books of Destiny, & Bloodlines) w/Robert Henderson

The Lord spoke to me and he said, "Your great great-grandfather through negligence injured someone and stole their dreams away. Therefore, the enemy has claimed the legal right to steal your dreams away."

One of the biggest debates in any court, what's going to be allowed into evidence and what's not. And the Lord said, "When you pray that prayer, you're letting him use stuff in your bloodline that I've never said he could use."

No one watching this show has ever not heard the voice of God, but many people have heard the voice of God, not recognized or noticed it, and not done anything because you didn't think about it, and then we complain that we can't hear God speak.

Trades create covenants which allow ownership. If you don't go into the courts and undo the legal claim based on illegitimacy in the bloodline, the enemy is going to keep visiting that on people for generations to come.

The Lord said to me instantly, "You have spoken words to his mother, my wife, about Adam." And I did. I said, "He knew better than this. We didn't raise him that way. He dere's what the Lord said. The enemy has taken your words and said before my courts, even his own father says this about him."

Everyone wants to get to the high places. But if you want to go high, you first have to go deep.

What's up? Welcome back to the deep end. How are you, Jake? Wonderful. Hey, we have a surprise for you today. We have Bishop Reverend Robert Henderson with us. Father, Father Henderson. Let me tell you about the man of God who is sitting with us for just a second. He has written 20 books, 18 20 books, 25 uh a lot, more than I have. But I picked up a copy of your book. I think it was around last March or April was about 18 months ago. Uh called Operating in the Courts of Heaven. This is the first time I'd ever heard of this. And I started going through it. And I was like, "Wow, I don't know how to do anything." Um, they don't teach you these things in in Assemblies of God when you're growing up in vacation Bible school.

I I actually began to implement what was in this book, and I started seeing things in my life change. And I was like, I think that this is legitimate. Um, and you are responsible, I think, for a generation of people, uh, rediscovering the father's hearts and what he feels about the his people. But also, I think it's it's God's heart that all men would be free and experience freedom. And so, inside of this material that we're going to discuss today, you give a lot of um a lot of information and recipes to how God has built the system that we exist in.

Um you founded one or two Bible schools. Yeah. Um a bunch of apostolic networks. Um, and so what I want people to do is first and foremost, um, I want you to finish the episode, but then I want you to buy his main book, which is operating in the courts of heaven, and give it, uh, the time that it's due to go through, cuz it changed the way that I pray. It changed the way that not just prayer, it would be a mistake to think of it as a method of prayer, but it changed the way that I integrate into heaven and and and align with heaven in my life. And so, I'm excited that you're here. Thanks for being here. Jake didn't read your book ahead of time, which is usually best because if the audience probably hasn't either, so I have read your well and so it's perfect.

I honor you with my time. Well, bless you. I'm just kidding. Okay. Wow. Okay. Well, can I pop in? Let's pop in. So, you did an episode, Taylor called, we have a title, I think, the legal system of heaven. So, we did that episode and I'm curious, what made you be like, man, let's bring Robert in? like what is what do you feel like is going to be in your predictive analysis? What do you think is going to be the delineation between that episode and this episode? This is going to be a much deeper. So, we did an episode on on the legal system of heaven, but the foundation of that episode was your material.

Okay. And going through it. Um because I don't think you just wake up in the morning and think I'm going to study the legality of how the courts of heaven work. That's right. Um, a friend of mine shared your book and I read it and and then the the more I've been called to do by God, the more I've unders understood that there are things I don't understand and I need to learn from him. And so you were a major part of of that episode. Can you maybe break down what are the courts of heaven for people who have never heard of this before and give us the the a bit of a story around how you got here to to this?

The way I discovered it was out of desperation. I mean, we were in I've I've been a I've been a person of prayer since 1980. When I when God called me to the ministry, the first thing he called me to to do was pray. And I didn't know I didn't know anything about it. I didn't know anything. I but I knew I was it was what I was supposed to do. So I started in, you know, committing myself to actually an hour a day, which it sounds crazy because you go and shut the door and and try to pray for an hour and I would think surely it's been 45 minutes and it' been Yeah. And I mean one of the hard is honestly one of the hardest things I ever learned to do. And and people say, "Oh, but you made it through, you know, 40 45 years later you made it through." I'm thinking, no, I have to make that choice every day. I have to choose every day to spend time in prayer because my flesh still doesn't want to do it. After 45 years, it still doesn't want to do it. And so, so, um, but out of that, I got to the place where I just assumed and and felt that there wasn't anything any problem that we could face that I couldn't deal with in prayer and get it solved. I mean, I really got to that place. I mean, I mean, we dealt with children issues. We dealt with finances. We dealt with issues in the ministry. You know, there was just didn't seem to be anything I couldn't get a breakthrough in. But then I hit this spot that everything started falling to pieces. I mean, our children were a mess. We talked about them being so good now, but back then they weren't. In fact, Mary and I thought, that's my wife. Mary and I thought that we must be the worst parents that ever lived cuz every child we had was choosing something other than the ways of God.

Mhm. All six of them. And I was like, we we just felt like we were the worst parents that ever lived. And and and couldn't figure out what we had done so wrong cuz we'd raised them in church. we had, you know, kept them in the right atmosphere, send them the Christian schools, you know, pretty well name everything that you do and and everything was falling to pieces and then finances were messed up and then my reputation was being attacked uh falsely I might add but but still being attacked and it was just it was just ongoing stuff. So I was in that situation. Um, and I got invited to go to South Africa and I rem I remember I went to a mentor and I said, "Should I go to this?" Cuz I didn't know these people. And they said, he said, "Yeah, you should." So I went to South Africa and when I got to South Africa, the lady that led the ministry there, she looked at me and she said, "Um, now Robert, I want to cleanse your bloodline before you speak at my conference." And I literally looked at her and said, "What's wrong with my bloodline? I'm an American. What's wrong with my bloodline?" And I didn't know what she was talking about.

And she said, she said, "Oh, I'm sorry." She said, "You don't understand. When you stand on my platform, there's going to be people from all over Africa that are here, from every nation in Africa." And and there and if this is what she said, if there is any legal right in you that that the that the devil can find, the principalities from those countries can find, he said, they're coming after you and your family. Now, when she said that, it was like this fear came upon me and I had this thought. This was the first thought. I have American demons after me. I don't need African ones after me, too.

Honest to goodness, what I thought. So, they took me into a room and they led me in simple prayer. Lord, open my bloodline up, all this kind of stuff. And there was a seer gift there. This little lady's a sear gift. That was she is phenomenal. I never met met anybody like her. Still haven't actually. And she said, "I see that in Robert's bloodline, there's a there was a a covenant made with a demon god named Parax." And the people that knew this woman said, "What?" And she said, "Yeah." She said, "I see it so clearly." And she said, she said, they said, "Spell it." And she said, "Pax." So they Googled it. Well, what popped up when they Googled it was a demon god whose chief characteristic is to suck dry. And when she said that, it was like this light bulb came on over my head, you know, like in the cartoons.

And I just understood, I just had an intuitive understanding that because of that covenant, the enemy had claimed a legal right to devour me and my family because they said they owned me as a result of the covenant that somebody in my bloodline had made. And and so and I knew nothing about this. I just understood. So they led me in a prayer of repentance, renouncing all this. And I'm telling you, there was an instantaneous, you could feel it shift. And and and so by the time I got home, everything had started changing. I mean, everything has started changing. My children that had been in rebellion, they all started coming back to God. They all started saying, "We want to do God's will. That we're so sorry we were messing up. We we want to do God's will." I didn't nag them. I didn't, you know, tell them they need to repent. I didn't tell them nothing. They just all started coming back to God because see once the legal claim was broken, the enemy no longer could claim me and my lineage. So they they they all could began to respond back to God and all that. And that's exactly what they did. They started they all started coming back to God and like they're all doing like we talked about earlier. So I thought these guys in South Africa, you know, understood biblically the court of heaven. So what happened was they invited me back the the guys in South Africa. So I went back and I'm thinking when I go back I'm thinking I don't know what to teach these guys. They're my spiritual superiors. They know stuff I don't know cuz I'm thinking they know the ins and outs of the I never saw them or heard them teach. All they did was just do it.

Mhm. So I thought what am I going to teach these guys? I don't I don't want I don't know what to tell them. And so I go back and I started delving into the court of heaven while I was home and had developed some teaching on it. So I thought I'll just teach that. I know they already know it, but it'll just at least it'll just be confirming for them. So I I go back and I do a couple of sessions. Uh as I finish the second session, the lady looked at me that ran the music. Would you come with me, please? And I thought, "Oh god, I messed up. I'm I'm what I'm saying is wrong. Is, you know, it's not right. Is she going to correct me? I'm in trouble, you know." And so we're walking toward the green room and she looks at me and she says, "You make me feel like a fool."

And I said, "Why?" And she said, "Because you're giving us language for what we've been doing for 20 years, but couldn't explain." Wow. That's when I knew I had a hold of something. Yeah. I thought if these people don't know the court of heaven, nobody knows the court of heaven because they could do it through the prophetic gifting, but they didn't understand doctrally or theologically how to connect it. And so that that and and that is, you know, like a really a significant gift I have. I mean, so that I can put put biblical concept, biblical verses to, you know, spiritual concepts. Anyway, so that's kind of where it all started. And I just started, you know, teaching on the courts and and and and I tell people this, the first few years I taught on the courts, I left the impression, not meaning to, but I left the impression that the courts was a method of praying. And I remember I was up teaching somewhere one time, and as I'm up teaching, all of a sudden, I I heard this come out of my mouth. I mean, you know, it kind of bypassed my mind and just I mean, it just came out of my mouth. And I said, "The court of heaven is not a method of praying. It's a dimension of the spirit." And when I said that, I thought that's it. That's going to help so many people because they're going to think, "Oh, it's not about learning ABC necessarily, even though there are principles. It's about stepping into a spiritual realm and be a being able to function there and presenting a case in a judicial system that you can't see but it's really there and God will render a verdict out of that."

One of my favorite quotes from you is um is I think it's in operating in the courts of heaven. You said it's not so much about how you're praying, it's about where you are praying from. And then I was like, well, I have to figure out how to get into this place to pray from the right position or the right location. Um, that's an amazing story.

You, you know, you know, yes. And and I, that is one of the sometimes I make that statement and I'm thinking, does anybody know what I'm talking about? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Because because it is true. It's not it's not so much what you do, it's where you do it from. Um, for instance, let me give you just for instance, in Matthew 20, Jesus talks about the vineyard, uh, and the guy that goes out and hires people to work the first hour of the day.

Mhm. Uh, and then he goes out, you know, the third hour and then, you know, and he hires people all day all the way down to one hour left in the day. And the and the first group, they agree with him. That's what the Bible says because Jes were actually in what Jesus was really saying. has to choose. They they had an agreement with God called the law and so they agreed with God for a day's wage for what but then everybody else went on the basis of whatever was right. So what what he was saying was the Jews they have an agreement with me and they'll work for their day's wage but everybody else is going to go on the basis of grace.

Mhm. So, and guess what? Everybody Everybody did the same work that worked in the vineyard that day, regardless of how long they worked. But one did it from legalism of keeping the law. The other one did it from a place of grace. And the ones that did it from the place of grace got a greater return on what they did as opposed to those that agreed with God. And so that's where I came up with that statement. It's not what you do. everybody did the same thing. It's where you're doing it from that can get that can determine the results you get uh in that and and um and just talking about you know by faith being in the right place place doing what we're doing.

Amazing. Love it. We keep going. Yeah, we're good. Um so you're in a you're in South Africa. Um you learned about this covenant which is fascinating because God's been teaching me about covenants. and how covenants have two parties involved and there's a curse when a covenant is broken and a bunch of random I don't know if this happens with you where it seems like you're getting a lot of information that makes no sense and then you get the cornerstone piece you're like oh my gosh all of this makes sense now um I was at a conference not too long ago where uh my wife and I were praying for something and the Holy Spirit was like that's not going to work and I was like why? And he said, "Because what you're praying against has a legal right to be here that was led in from the top. So it's not going to work. You can't cast this thing out." I was like, "Well, what do you want me to? Are we like hopeless? Like what do I do?" He said, "No, repent." I didn't do anything. He said, "No, repent for the person who let it in." Uh, and you're nodding cuz all this stuff is like lines up. But I I'm guilty of like when I read your book the first time, I was kind of like

I understand enough to use it, but I don't understand where it came from or how to actually put it together. So the longer that you walk with God, the more these of these like examples you have that that goes, "Oh, that's what that's what Robert meant when he wrote this." Um, and so you're you're figuring out the court court of heaven. You're teaching it in South Africa. Um, what happens in next in your life? Like was it as simple as what you're saying? Like it just all went away and life was perfect and you lived in Disneyland after that like

Well, actually, yes and no. because we had been under such an attack that any relief was appreciated. I mean, you know, it was like, okay, some something good's moving here. Uh, but it was a progress, a process. Um and uh so so the first once I dealt with and I look back now and understand this once I dealt with that that covenant that was with that demon that somebody in my bloodline had made um which by the way is anybody that's a a biblical guy. It's like Isaiah 28 14 and 15 where where the the leaders of Israel made covenants with Hades and Shiel which was demonic powers and um and they made covenant because of something they perceived they would gain. That's the only reason you make covenants. See, okay, covenants are made by trades and and and so but why how do I know that? Genesis 21 says that Abraham brought Aimilec uh seven new lambs and he gave them to Aimilec and said, "Okay, I've now made a covenant with you." Okay? But the covenant was made by the trade or by something that Abraham brought. So this is what I teach. Trades create covenants which allow ownership.

See, if there if there's a covenant with God or with demons, whatever you're in covenant with has the right to claim you. And see, that's what was going on in my family's life and all that. So, I dealt with that. But then the second thing I dealt with after covenants with demons that the Lord led me into was iniquity in the bloodline. And this was this was a huge thing because um uh because what what what did what had beset my life for now for 20 years for 20 years not just not just a little bit of time 20 years was delay. I I couldn't I could not get in to what I prophetically knew I was supposed to be doing and and I couldn't it wouldn't happen. I mean, it would look like it was going to happen and then something at the last moment would sabotage it and I couldn't get into it and and I came to the place where I was just like I before I understood of course, well, Lord, if this isn't what you have for me, fine. I'll just move on with life. But but I knew it was cuz I'd heard the Lord clearly tell me certain things and and I couldn't get into them. Well, when I dealt with a covenant with demons, that was one thing. But then the next thing I dealt with was iniquity in the bloodline that the enemy was claiming as a legal right uh to create the delay. Um and and that's Exodus 20:5 where it talks about iniquity will be visited to the uh third and fourth generation.

Um, and what I try to tell people, I said, "Look, God's not putting iniquity." But the here's what the enemy does. He's a legalist. So, he comes and he says, "Okay, this is your word, Lord. So, I have a right based on your word to build a case against them that gives me the right to afflict them with this issue." But it's not God, it's the enemy. But the Lord can't stop him. Can't stop him because he's got a legal right he's claiming. So, we have to we have to go in to the court, take that legal right away so that it it doesn't work against us. So, here's what happened. All of a sudden, I can't I can't stop the I'm still got the delay. Even though I'd had a breakthrough, I still got the delay. I still got things not happening that are supposed to be happening. And what happened was um I have a dream. And in the dream, my great great-grandfather had through negligence, this was the dream, had through negligence injured someone. And because of that, there was a present- day judgment against me from a court. And I wake up from the dream thinking. I mean, it was so real that you know when you wake up sometimes and you can't tell what's what's real, what's not real? I thought it was real. And I thought they're going to come take everything away or they're going to they're going to put me in jail. I mean, it was like that serious. But then when I got awake, I was like, "That's a dream. It's a dream. It's a dream." Well, thank God it's a dream. But then I realized the Lord was showing me my great great-grandfather. Four generations. Four generations. His father, uh, grandfather, great-grandfather, great great-grandfather, four generations that he had through negligence injured someone, which would like be back in the 1770s.

Mhm. I mean like back in that area somewhere in there. I mean that far back. And so I'm thinking he injured and the Lord spoke to me and he said your great great grandfather through negligence injured someone and stole their dreams away. Therefore the enemy has claimed the legal right to steal your dreams away. And that's why something always sabotages the opportunities that seem to be happening.

Dang. So I I got up and I went into the courts by faith and I repented for my for my life, for my parent, but for my great great-grandfather. And somebody says, "How can you do that?" I say, "Okay, here's what you got to understand. When you repent, when you repent for yourself, you're forgiven. But when you repent for your previous generations, you're not changing their eternal status. Their own their own life does that. what you're doing is you're revoking the enemy's right for him to use that against you. And I learned that I thought, "Oh, that's a that's a whole entirely different thing." So, I repented in behalf and said, "Lord, let your blood speak in regards to the sins of my great great-grandfather." So, I did that. Literally less than a week, I started getting phone calls uh from people wanting me on their television show, wanting me to do different things. And the whole world just started breaking open for me.

Wow. Because I dealt with the legal claim the enemy had to steal my dreams away.

How specific does it need to be? Do you need to know? Can you just blanket statement I repent for everyone who's ever lived in my bloodline? Or have you noticed that the specificity is important?

I've seen both work. Honestly, I've I've I've dealt with both. I mean um for instance um I I this is what I always tell people use the knowledge you have but don't worry about what the knowledge you don't have.

Got it? Because Philippians 3 Paul said he said um um God will reveal to us any anything we need to know. Um and and and so I'm like, "Okay, if he doesn't reveal it, then that means I don't need to know it." So here's what I do. I use Colossians 2:14, which says every handwriting of ordinance, the case that's against me, that that was against me, Jesus took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross. So if I don't know specifics, I remind the courts of that word.

I take the word of God and the work of Jesus on the cross and I present it in the courts as legal uh as as as a legal witness in my behalf and say, "Lord, I'm reminding you that your son when he died on the cross, he took away every handwriting of ordinance that was against me. Therefore, let anything iniquitous in my bloodline that I know or don't know about, may it be silenced on the basis of what your son has done."

Nice. and and I've seen I've seen great results from that.

Nice. Can we can we take it um to a place where like what is the court? Um is it

Something before we go into that? Sure. Um just a question I've heard in my head that um I I understand the answer to but I feel like a lot of people would be asking themselves when you said this. He said um that God is not the one that will wash away that iniquity for us necessarily unless we ask him to.

Mhm. And so I just in my head I kept hearing this question over and over again is like I think people would want to know like why do humans have to do that? Why why can't God simply take care of that if it wasn't something that we did?

Yeah. Um yeah. I Okay. God God set a a system up, if you will. In my estimation, he set a system up of of um that our lives our lives are connected to our ancestry. I mean, even medical. That's why they ask you when you go to the doctor, what did your dad die from? What' your mom die from? What' your grandfather parents die? What's what's your medical? because they understand that those things whatever the genetic makeup if you will of a person uh and of a family line can affect you know what happens in your own life. So, so even medical science understands that our ancestry behind us. For instance, I was in Germany one time uh few years back. I was in German. I used to go to Germany a lot, but I was there and and the lady said that they had proven that the trauma that the German people went through in World War II is still carried by the German people to this day. They carry that trauma in them and it affects them in many different ways. Emotionally, physically, you know, mentally, the way they think, you know, everything that that that trauma that they went through. So my my whole point is we can say oh you know what my my parents whatever the grandparents what well their our ancestry it does have an effect on I mean even in in from those realms and what we do so but but now let's take it to the spiritual side the spiritual side God said that that the iniquity that he would visit or that the iniquity of the to the three and four generations could be visited upon us. In other words, the effects of that. And gosh, this there's so much you can get into here, but e Ezekiel 18, Ezekiel prophesied and he said, "You will no longer use this proverb cuz I mean, I just I hit this stuff headon. You'll no longer use this proverb um that the fathers have eaten sour grapes and the children's teeth are set on edge." So what he's actually saying, he's saying in that word that that it's God's heart that the iniquity of the fathers not influence the children. That's what he's saying. So people will throw that up to me. Hey, Robert. No, wait, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Even Ezekiel in the Old Testament said that that God that that you won't use this proverb anymore. And I tell him, I said, "But you got to finish the chapter." And I said, because when you go down to Ezekiel 18:30, when you go keep going, here's what it says. It says,"Repent therefore of your transgression, lest your iniquity be your ruin." What is iniquity? Is sin and blood. So, so here's what I tell people. Isaiah was was prophesying the the stated heart of what God wanted. But they couldn't get it unless they did what God said, which was repent. Repent of your transgression, lest iniquity be your ruin. Because God doesn't want that. He doesn't want the fathers eating sour grapes and the children's teeth being set on edge. But if we're going to get the prophetic promise, we have to do what God said we needed to do to stop that from happening. So people can say all day long, well that doesn't make sense to me why God would punish me. Well, number one, it's not God punishing. It's the devil that is literally taking advantage of the word of God and using it against us. And how do I know that? John 8 where that the woman's caught in adultery. What happens? The the religious leaders set her down in a court setting. That this was a court setting. And in fact, one virgin says they set her down in the middle of the court. And all these religious rulers said this is she's caught in adultery. And then they say this, Moses's law says she should be stoned. That's what they said to Jesus. But what do you say? So in other words, these these accusers that were in the spirit of Satan himself was saying the law says she should be stoned. And that's exactly what the enemy does. The law says this should happen. The law says this should happen. The law said this should happen because he's a legalist. So we have to know how to go into the court and remove that or or what the law says. Well, let let me give you let me give you. Okay. I taught for a long time. I taught for a long time because it was the way it was implied to me that we should pray this prayer. Lord, I open my bloodline up all the way to Adam and Eve. Well, that sounds really spiritual, but it's wrong. The Lord told me said, "Stop doing it. You're making you're you're giving the enemy the legal right to use stuff against you." I said he can't use because what is what is the big one of the biggest debates in any court? what's going to be allowed into evidence and what's not. And the and the Lord said, "When you pray that prayer, you're letting him use stuff in your bloodline that I never said he could use. I said he could only use up to four generations." So, I had to learn how to call into place God's statute of limitation and say, "Only this far." Well, why? Because I can't listen, if I got to deal with stuff all the way back to Adam and Eve, it ain't never going to happen. But if I got to deal with four generations, I can get that done so that the enemy no longer has a legal case against me. Now, there's only one exception to that. And that is Deuteronomy 23:2. And watch this. It says if there is someone born of il but illegitimately. It says that person and 10 generations after them cannot go into the sanctuary. What is that? That's called rejection. rejection. Have you ever met anybody that suffered with rejection? Have you ever suffered rejection yourself? Anybody that ever had rejection complex and and they make decisions out of rejection complex and every Well, why is that? I promise you almost always it's because there is a legal case against them in the court because there's illegitimacy in their bloodline that is giving the enemy a legal right based on the word of God to visit them with a spirit of rejection and you can try to counsel it away you can go but if you don't go into the courts and undo the legal claim uh based on illegitimacy in the bloodline the enemy is going to keep visiting that on people for generations to come. And and we're learning how to undo that to so that people can get free from the rejection that dominates their life. And and uh and there's so many things attached to that that can be undone as well.

There there's so much there. Um, what were you going to say? What was what was your question? Was it why doesn't God do everything for us? Why does it do it? Why do humans have to do it?

Are people actually asking that question in serious? I think so. Like people I think my first thought is like, well, why do I have to pay? Why do I have to do this prayer for this? Like, why can't God cover it? Like, I thought the blood already took It's the same thing that you talked about in deliverance. It's literally the same. It's like the two spectrums. It's like, oh well, all you need is the blood of Jesus. Well, it's like, yes, that's technically true, but there's such a nuance to it. Then, well, everything's a demon. Like that's the nuance I'm trying to address is like we're like, "Oh, all we need is the blood of Jesus. We don't none of our iniquities matter. We didn't do it, so we're good." And it's like, "Oh, everything to the last generation." Like, I'm just trying to find the middle cuz I can see people asking,

I can answer that. Go for it. Okay. The the reason see people say people walk up to me and they say through the years they say they say now I mean when I used to have spike tear they would I would tell them but they walk up and they they would pet me on my little pointed head and they would say you poor simple man don't you understand that when Jesus died on the cross he did all this we don't have to do this we don't have to do this you know why would you be trying to confuse the people and tell them they got to do this and here's my first answer I would look at them and Hey, look, if what you're doing is working for you, cuz I know it's not. I say, if what you're doing, just keep doing that. That's what I would tell them cuz I'm not going to get into a debate with them. But then I would say, but if it's not, cuz I know it's not cuz they they would come and they would be angry. It would it wouldn't be like just this simple. It would like be anger because the reason they're angry is because I'm challenging something that they say is working, but it's really not. And they know it in the depth of their heart. And so I would challenge them and they would say and I said you might look at this. So here here here so I have a dear friend very well-known guy in certain circles uh and I was talking to him on the phone with dad and he said okay Robert he I'm going to play the devil's advocate. This is this is when we I was first getting started. He said and he said don't you know that when Jesus died on the cross he dealt with all this. We don't have to do this. And I said yeah but here's the deal. Galatians 3:13 says that when Jesus died on the cross, he became a curse for us. Therefore, we're no longer under the curse. I That's what it says. But I said then Revelations 22:3 in the millennial reign says there shall be no more curse. So when did the curse end? Did it end in Galatians 3:13 or did it end in Revelation 22:3? Where did it end? I said, "Here's here's the deal. Galatians 3:13 is a legal statement of what Jesus accomplished on the cross." But Revelation 22:3 is the full execution of that verdict into place.

So that there is now in the millennial reign no more curse. So what that means is up until that point, we have to take what Jesus did to remove the curses that want to work against us. and up because up until the millennial reign of Christ, there's going to be curses in this earth because it only ends in Revelation 22:3. And I said, this is why people don't know how to take the legal work. And so this is what I tell because one of the big complaints against me, oh, he doesn't believe in the finished works. I said, oh yes, I do. I believe that Jesus legally finished everything when he died on the cross. That's why he said it is finished. But what do you have to do? You have to, this is what I tell people, take the legal finished works of Jesus and present it as evidence in the courts so that God renders a verdict and says, "Okay, based on the work of my son, Holy Spirit, you have the right to come into this person's life and revoke the curse that's been determining their future rather than rather than God." The question though reveals, and I don't mean to be offensive, but um nowhere else in any other industry do you see people getting mad because they lack a skill set as with Christianity.

Nowhere. Yep. Like I've been all over the place and I don't see the I don't see it. I can give you a vehicle, just give it to you. You don't owe me anything and then you refuse to drive it and then get mad at me. That doesn't make any that doesn't make sense to me. God's given us the the ability to do what he's asks us to do and then we're mad that he's not doing it for us. I'm just surprised that that question even comes up, you know.

Yeah. But but it because because we're in such a time of I I honestly believe we are in a time of the church coming to a greater levels of understanding of grace. But some of the grace that's preached in my estimation in the in the body of Christ today is a hyperview of grace where that we don't have to do anything. And I'm like, but that's not true. I mean, I think your analogy is wonderful that yes, you got to get in there. You got to crank that vehicle. You have to learn how to drive it. You got to learn how to drive it. Everything associated with it. Absolutely. And and and the the problem is people say they believe things they never experience. That's that's that's the one of the major problems we have in the in the body of Christ. People saying, "I believe this, but they never have any experience in it." Then what good does it do us? We we need to know how to take everything Jesus did for us on the cross and see an experiential see us come into an experiential place in it. And I tell people, I said, "The court of heaven is simply a means of of stepping into the full measure of everything Jesus died for us to have."

How do we get into the court of heaven then?

Well, that's a really good question because I've been around such highowered seer gifts where they could see. I'm not one of them. I do see stuff a little bit and I do God has given me enough prophetic abilities that if I'll pay attention, if I'll pay attention, he'll help me maneuver in that area. But compared to some of these other sear gifts, I mean, it's just like, oh my gosh, I I don't, you know, I wouldn't even I wouldn't even, you know, be a blip on the screen, so to speak, uh, as far as my ability. So, this is what I tell people. I learned how to do it by faith. um um that that I by faith see the court of heaven in the word of God. So I by faith just step into it. In other words, what I mean by that is I take God at his word and say, "Lord, I know there's a place called the court of heaven." And I know that the Bible says that I can enter it because of the blood of Jesus, that spiritual dimension because of the blood of Jesus. So I by faith just simply step into that realm. And sometimes I see stuff or hear stuff or feel stuff. Sometimes I don't. But but because I understand certain concepts that I talk about in the book, I know how to maneuver there. And I'm shocked honestly at some of the results that I get just by faith doing that. not seeing a thing, not hearing a thing, not not not having any spiritual impulses at all, just moving by faith on the word of God. And I watch I watch God honor that and watch things change.

Yeah. Which is valid. I think the another thing I'm not I don't want to get stuck on this question, but the fact that people are asking that question is making me mad. So, we're just going to go back and hammer it again. But the spiritual world works on on uh understanding and agreement. That's exactly right. You can do something and not understand what you're doing and the there's a power delta that you'll leak because you it's it's the difference between we have a lot of people who are into phil philanthropic ordeals. There's a difference between giving money because it's philanthropic and tithing or using generosity as a weapon. And the difference is the the understanding of what you're doing. And then agreement, which is what you're talking about, which God responds to agreement. Heaven responds to agreement. And so what you're saying is you enter through the you enter the court of heaven through faith.

Yes. Knowing and having an understanding that it's actually happening. And then you agree with the verdict that is coming through. And and and when I've done that, I've been shocked at the times where all of a sudden I would step into the court and this little small stills voice would tell me to do something.

Mhm. And you would think, is this really God? Is this is just a random thought? And I would do it. And like somebody explained to me one time, the prophetic is like grabbing a hold of a thread in a ball of yarn and you just pull it.

And that's a really good analogy cuz that's what I would do. I would just start with that little SW and I would just start pulling it. And it was amazing where the Lord would take me. And then I would see this major shift take place as a result of paying attention to prophetic impulses that I had in something I just by faith stepped in and started doing. I don't know if that makes sense.

It makes total sense. What if people are not prophetic or they don't feel like they're prophetic? What are what is your what is your not not to simplify it down to a system or a methodology, but like if you were going to go into the court of heaven right now, what would that look like?

Well, here here's the first thing I tell people. You're I think people believe lies and that most people are more prophetic than they think they are. That's the first thing. But Hebrews chapter 5 uh verse 14 thereabouts, it talks about um that that uh that we through that we by faith actually um exercise senses to discern both good and evil. Well, you know there are five natural senses. What do those five natural senses do? They help us function in this natural realm. I can taste, I can see, I can hear. I can feel you know all that. I those are natural s there's a correlation there's just like there's at least five natural senses there's there's a correlation to five spiritual senses and some are hearers some feel some hear some touch some taste in other in in other words some smell.

In other words, everybody will have a a a um dominant prophetic ability. For instance, my my really dominant prophetic ability is I'm a feeler. I I I feel and mixed right in there really close to that is hear. I hear I hear I hear God tell me do stuff. Next to that is I see uh I've actually smelt I've actually, you know, would would have encounters and physically smell stuff that was coming out of the spirit world um and and so forth. But those are all lesser than, if you will, my my feeling and my hearing.

So my my my point being is that most people are much more prophetic than they think they are. They just haven't been awakened to it. For instance, in Zechariah chapter 5, Zechariah talks about an angel who showed up and awakened him uh out of sleep and then all of a sudden he sees this flying scroll. Now, this is a prophet and yet an angel comes and awakens him to a new prophetic ability. And I believe that God wants to awake awaken prophetic abilities that are already in us that are there, but we just haven't been awakened to the reality that they're there.

And and that's what h that's what happens to me. And so so again, just encouraging people to know you're more prophetic than you think you are. Uh but but side to that if I'm not getting anything prophetic then I just by faith say okay Hebrews 10:19 says I enter the holiest of holies which is by the way is where the court of heaven is uh the holiest of holies by the blood of Jesus. So I have a right to come into this spiritual dimension called the court of heaven by the blood of Jesus. It's his blood that gives me. I don't have to be worthy. I don't have to There's I don't There's nothing about me that needs to be worthy and sinless and perfect and no no, I get to come into the court because of the blood of Jesus and and um um and and step into that realm and begin to um present my case.

So the first thing I would do is I would by faith would tell God, I'm coming into this court because the blood of Jesus has made it available to me. It's a new and living way that's made been made available to me. I get to come in here because of what Jesus did for me. Okay. Once I'm there, once I'm quote unquote in that court, and and by the way, I lead people um in an exercise, an activity of closing their eyes and visualizing stepping into a court. I mean, what when I do this, I see like two huge I usually see two huge like brown doors that usually swing out for whatever reason. They swing they swing out and there's a threshold there and I by face step across that threshold. It's amazing the atmospheric change that comes >> when I do that.

So once I'm standing in there, here's what I see. I see usually like this balcony and I know it's where the cloud of witnesses are because why are they called the cloud of witnesses? Because they give judicial testimony. They are witnesses which means to give judicial testimony along with the fact that they've given their life to the purposes of God. So, so I know they're there and and you know people when we could get some really neat stuff here. People talking about, oh, the cloud of witnesses, they're cheering us on. Well, I'm sure they are, but their function is much more than that. Their function is to give testimony in the court of heaven in in our behalf. And I've had encounters with the cloud of witnesses in the court of heaven. Uh but so when I see that balcony, I realize, okay, they're here to agree. They're here to agree with me. I'm here to agree with them. Uh and so so I'm aware of that.

So, so then I usually see two tables up front and it's one side is and I see God the judge and I usually can't see him past here. I don't see his face and all that. I just see I just know he's there and he's the and so when I come into the courts here and I get to those tables, here's what I do. I say, "Lord, as I'm standing here in your courts, I I I present myself as a living sacrifice unto you out of Romans 12 1 and 2, uh uh uh you know, holy and acceptable to you." And and uh I'm here to do your will. And I just present I'm just laying my life down and and saying, "And then as I'm there, I may worship a little bit, but I also begin to present my case, what I'm there for. Lord, I need this. I This is when I want to petition you. Knowing that when I petition the Lord at that point, that there could be an accuser at the other table, which is the enemy, making accusations, telling God why I can't have what I'm asking for. And and so that's when if he if that happens and and somebody said, "Well, how do you know that's happened?" By all this sense of unworthiness I'm feeling in the back of my head. M see somebody said well how do I know what the accusers what are you feeling I mean so often we're praying and in the back of our head we're thinking God is not going to answer this I got I've done I did this I did that I I you know whatever and and then you add on top it bloodline issues so I just that's where you start repenting is Lord I just you know everything quote unquote he's saying I repent Lord I'm I'm so sorry for this I'm asking for the blood to speak out of Hebrews 12:24 for I'm asking for all this and you s excuse me you silence you go through the process of silencing the accuser >> based on what you're feel they don't basing so often I'm you know I don't unless I'm just really a weirdo I think everybody goes through that you know where we where we just feel that sense of unworthiness or shame or condemnation because of >> some compromise we made or whatever whatever it might be Um, and and we deal with that. And but then once I get that all dealt with, I say, "Now, Lord, as I'm standing and and I thank you that the accuser is silenced because of who you are and what you now, Lord, let these things that I believe is is in agreement with your will. Let these things come into reality in my life." So, that's kind of a process that I kind of walk through.

>> How often do you do that?

>> When I need a breakthrough. See, see, remember I said earlier we were talking about we that that Jesus put prayer in three dimensions approaching God as father, friend, and judge. I normally come before God as father. But if I feel if I feel something pushing on me, resisting me while I'm praying, I move from approaching him as father. I just move into approaching him as judge. And I say, and I begin to deal with those issues that that I feel fighting me. or if I've been praying for something for quite a while that's that's in agreement with God's will but no answer has come then I real okay I got to take this into the court because the only reason answer wouldn't come uh and I know it's something that God wants me is because something's the enemy's got some kind of illegal case against me and so I began to deal with that there.

>> When do you go into viewing God as a friend?

>> Uh a friend.

>> Um, yeah, okay. So so that that's you know, the book on father friend and judge. Um, you know, we when we approach God as father, we're basically appealing to him for our needs, our own personal needs.

>> Okay.

>> Because because Jesus later would say um, you know, which of you having a father if you ask him for a piece of bread, he's not going to give you a stone.

>> Well, see, why does he say? Because that's about our own personal needs. You know, bread, fish, you know, whatever. Um, uh, provision for us.

>> But then when you approach him as friend, look at what Jesus said in Luke Luke 5 uh 8 uh uh 8-11. He he talks about a friend that's standing between two friends. One on a journey that needs the other one that has sufficiency. So when do we approach him as friends? When we are praying for someone else.

>> Cuz we're the friend of God and we're a friend of of this person. And so we're we're standing in the middle here in a place of intercession praying for somebody that has a need. So anytime I'm approaching God for somebody else, I think I'm approaching him as my friend and saying, "God, would you do this? Would you release provision for this one that's on their journey, trying to get to their destiny, trying to get to their purpose? Would you release something as my friend that would minister to this other friend I've got here?"

>> That's great.

>> Because that's really what what the picture is there. Yeah, that's great. She has something.

>> Yeah. I mean, just with what you're saying, that's that's basically what happened with the Syrah Phoenician woman with Jesus. She like got to a point where she literally gets to the point where she's not even asking like heal my daughter. She's like, "Help me by helping my daughter." Like that's that's the place that she got to. Um, sorry, I've been sitting on this question for like 20 minutes. I've been dying to get back to something you said forever ago. This has been so good. By the way, if we can just slow down for a second. This has been so good. I feel like this is a conversation that um I'm super excited to keep going deeper on the courts of heaven. Don't get me wrong, I'm really excited for that. But there's something that you said that blew my mind and then we just kept going per usual on the show. You said you had to get corrected because you were saying things that you were not supposed to say cuz you were un almost basically undoing in the spirit things that God said this is the way that I've called it to be. And Taylor, I've learned this because I've been around you longer than I have Robert, obviously, but I've learned this more from you than I have anybody else in my life that your words are so important and that a lot of us will spend time cursing ourselves more than edifying ourselves or others, specifically others. And so, I'm really curious because both of your guys' perspective, I think, is very necessary for this. um what does it look like to watch our words well and make sure we're getting the right ones because obviously we don't want to just walk into a room and then not talk for 5 minutes. We have to be functional human beings to a degree but you both have a lot of wisdom in this area and this is a really big deal to society culture like how do you speak to watching your words knowing what to say and specifically what you said is what not to say. So we are not opening up things that don't need to be in our life because they were supposed to be there to begin with.

>> Yeah. The you know Daniel and I'm sorry because I know the Bible when when somebody ask a question it just it goes the Bible.

>> I kind of love it actually. It's really fun actually because I don't have that gift. So I appreciate that.

>> Daniel 9, Daniel 10. When the angel shows up after he's prayed for 21 days, here's what he says. He said, "First of all, we heard you from the first day."

>> I was like, "Don't don't let the enemy convince us that because nothing's happening, God hadn't heard us." He said, "I've heard you from the first." But then he says this, "And I have come because of your words." That's the power of words >> that it moves heaven. It moves angels. It moves, >> you know, the activity of of the of the spirit world is moved by our words. And what you're saying is both negatively and positively. So, let me just Okay. The one of the first lessons God taught me in the court of heaven was my son Adam that is now a unbelievably successful pastor. He was bound in depression and he was not a guy given to depression but because some of the stuff he'd walked through he I mean he he had been in depression for two and a half to three years and I had tried everything >> I you know encouraging him you know all these kind of things I tried encourage him encourage him um, you know, all these sorts of things, nothing. He was just stuck and and I couldn't get him out and I knew his destiny was at stake. I mean, you know, you have a bad day, but when you're having a bad two and a half, three years, that's that's that's you're in danger of destinies being forfeited.

>> Mhm.

>> And and so um all of a sudden, I've been praying for Adam for let's just say three years. I've been praying for Adam for all this time. And I go to prayer this one morning. And when I go to prayer, instantly the Lord says to me, "Bring him to my courts." And I was like, uh, I don't know how to do that. I I knew about the courts. I'd kind of gotten some understanding, but I thought, I I don't really know how to do this. And this is one of those moments prophetically where just because I just listened to what God said and did, it was like this realm opened up and God started telling me every move to make and and he said, so I so he said, "Bring him to my courts." I thought, "Well, what do I do?" Well, here's what I did. I thought, well, if there's a legal case against him and I need to bring him to the courts, it's because he he needs to repent. So, he's not there. So, what do I do? I start repenting for him. I didn't even know if that was right or not. I thought, can I repent for somebody else? Well, I found later 1 John 5:16 that if you see one sinning a sin, not unto death, you can ask life and God will give them life. And I realized, well, yeah, God says, I'll let you represent him before me. See, when we sit in the courts, we're actually like along with Jesus's, we're actually kind of acting as an attorney. We can represent things before the Lord. So, so I knew God was telling me, "Yeah, bring him to my courts." And in a in a literal uh natural court when that lawyer stands up and talks, the it's like you're talking whether you're opening your mouth or not. >> That that that lawyer is doing his stuff and as far as the legal system is concerned, he's talking for you and and you're talking through him if you will and so so I just began to repent in behalf of Adam. Repented for believing the wrong things that allowed him to be in pressure. Repented for several different things. Okay, so I did that. So when I got through doing, this is the reason I tell this story. When I got through doing that, instantly the Lord said, "Now you repent." And I'm like, "What did I do?" I thought, you know, I I mess up a lot, but what did I do this time?

>> You know, and and so the Lord said to me instantly, "You have spoken words to his mother, my wife, about Adam." And I did. I said he knew better than this. We didn't raise him that way. He d and the here's what the Lord said. The enemy has taken your words and said before my courts, even his own father says this about him. I was like, "Oh my gosh." The reason I couldn't pray him out of the condition he was in was because it was at least a part of it was my words >> was empowering the case against him. So now I'm weeping and I'm repenting and I'm saying, "God, I'm so sorry for and I'm asking for my words to be annulled." And then the Lord kept me. Listen, >> it when I got done with that prayer and and it was about 15 minutes all it took.

>> And when I got done, I thought, "Wow, I something something shifted." And and a week and a half later, my phone started ringing. It was Adam. And I answered and he I said, "Hey, Adam." And he said, "Hey, Dad." He said, "Can I talk to you for a minute?" I said, "Sure." Cuz he never called. He was in such a state. And this was what he said. I don't know what happened. He said, "But a week and a half ago, all the depression left me and I want to do God's will." But I had to deal with my negative words because I'm telling you, we don't understand that the enemy takes our words, whether they're words against somebody else or their words against ourself that that he takes our words and he builds cases against us in the court of heaven based on the words. So So this is what I think. I think that Jesus's work on the cross dealt with so much stuff legally, all stuff legally that was against us. But if I say the wrong words, the accuser, which by the way, the the word adversary in like like um Luke 18 1-8, which is about avenge me, my adversary, and 1 Peter 5:8, the word adversary there, which is the devil, it says, is the Greek word antidos. A ni d i k os. And it means one who brings a lawsuit. The enemy is our legal opponent.

>> Nice.

>> He is our legal opponent. So, you have to know how to answer the case. He's c and this is what I tell people. Going back to your question earlier about you, well, Jesus did all this. Yeah, he did. He did. But watch this. Peter, a first century apostle who walked with Jesus, said, "The enemy is still your legal opponent." So, what's he what's he where is he making his case? Well, some of it is the words we use or the words against us or the words we speak that the enemy takes our words and he builds cases against us and we have to know how to go in and undo those words so that instead of those things determining our future, what God wants can can happen.

>> Yeah. A lot of this is you you can you can repent for something and that can still be taking place in a court environment. And I think that people have to realize that uh a if you don't know how to go into the court, you're still operating in the court through repentance. So I don't want people to get over complicated with this. And that's right.

>> I didn't feel anything. I didn't see anything. It's like, well, when you when you repent for something, you change your mind for something. You know, a word is >> um a contract in the spirit. In fact, if you study contracts on Earth, they started as oral agreements.

>> And if you go back into like the 1700s, 1800s, even the the founding of the London Stock Exchange was founded with this statement, uh, my word is my bond. We just cloned it. And now the same thing is is happening in the spiritual realm where your what you say is is a contract. It can be something that can bind you.

>> Um, so that's a wonderful story cuz you were praying against yourself. I was praying against myself. Absolutely. I was.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. And that that is a fracturing of of in alignment because you have two things that are competing with each other.

>> Well, see, I I think this is what I think. My sin, the sin in my bloodline, and people's words are three of the biggest things the enemy uses to build cases against us. The the word issue is a huge thing.

>> One more one more story. I mean, so so I'm in a hotel. So So I'd gotten major breakthrough, but but then >> things were offered to me or or that they said was going to happen and then there was this huge delay. Well, because of my history, my history of delay, I get real nervous >> when delay starts happening.

>> And and so I'm thinking, what's going on here? It's been it's been a couple of months. Why is it this happened? And so I'm in a hotel room and I said to the Lord, not expecting an answer, by the way. I said, "Is there something still standing against me in the spirit world?" And the Lord instantly, unexpectedly said, "Yes, there is." And instantly as one of those moments, he says to me, "I need you to come before me and say what Moses said when Kora was attacking him." First thing I knew, oh wait, that was a court case. The Coral was bringing an accusation against Moses. But and he was accusing Moses of not being righteous, of stealing from people. And and so Moses said in Numbers uh 16:15, he this is what he says. And I didn't even know I knew this when God said, "I need you to come say what Moses said." So I looked it up. Here's what he said. I've taken nothing from them, not even a donkey. And I suddenly realized there were people that were accusing me that I had taken something that didn't belong to me and that was speaking against me in the courts creating delay.

>> Mhm.

>> And so the Lord said, "You need to come and I need," this is what he said. I need for you to make that statement. I've taken nothing from them. Not even talking. I had this awareness that when I said that, it was going to allow God to search the records of heaven to see if what I was saying was true or not. And and of course I knew that he would find out that it was that it was true. So I did that. I felt this major this major shift. Um, the truth is is that within 3 days the people I'd been waiting on called me and it opened up a major door that I'm still walking in today. Se many years later, five or six years later, I'm still walking in that door reaching millions. I mean, I'm talking about multiples of millions uh through through television oper and they gave me free air time and all that, but the thing that broke it open was I had to deal with the words that someone else was saying that the enemy was taking and saying, "This one says this about him." And and when I got that dealt with, everything shifted.

>> The the key is being willing to learn how to hear from God. I think that's the major cornerstone because if you can't if you don't have if you've not worked on your relationship with how to hear the Lord, >> you don't have any of these stories.

>> It >> is true. And you see I sometimes I amaze myself because I make these statements, you know, these these seer gifts, they're they're amazing. I can't do that. I don't do that. and I don't to some but then I start hearing myself and I'm like well you know I do I do kind of hear from the Lord occasionally but it's not it's not I mean you know in my prayer time I think there's a I think there's a difference honestly I mean for instance Jesus said man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds and I I think there's there's a there's a preceding word that we can pick up every day from God >> that we that it's just God's proceeding word. It may not be a directional word. It may not be, you know, the word that's going to shake the earth. It It's a word that brings edification and comfort and strength to us. It's the preceding word of God over me. And I just receive. But then there's those moments because you've been faithful in that that we're not we're living by that that God says I can talk to him and I'm going to I'm going to and so but that happens because you cultivated that place in God receiving from the preceding word of God.

>> One of the things that I've noticed that helps has helped me do that and it's a big stumbling block I think is people ignoring when they do hear the voice of God because they may not recognize it if you have not practiced. they may not write. The worst thing you could do when you when you hear the Lord speak is to ignore it. Um and so I I've been um walking in close proximity with Jesus probably for 2 years, which is crazy cuz I grew up inside of church and just never it's not that I didn't care, it's just it it was like a a religious thing.

>> Mhm.

>> But when I needed it, I realized I didn't have it. I couldn't hear him. I didn't know how to pray. Didn't know how to do any of these things. And one of the first things that I felt um really strongly to do was every time I thought I I heard God, write it down >> every single time like and so I could read it later. I could figure out how is this God, is this my thoughts? And uh you'll never get good at at sensing is this the Lord, is this not if you don't take it seriously when he does speak to you. Um and so sometimes you're even demonstrating through your story. Sometimes you'll hear God. Mhm.

>> Sometimes you will speak the voice of God and you have to recognize that um coming out of your own mouth, but you know when you speak it that it this is something God wants to communicate. And as it pertains to uh the legality in all of this, it's nothing in the world is more important than you being able to use the Holy Spirit as a counselor.

>> That's the bedrock of everything.

>> Which Okay, you bring up a whole another area there because

>> I'm so sorry for the dereal, guys. My bad. That's okay.

>> The the here here's here's the deal about the Holy Spirit.

>> He's the paricletos, the comforter.

>> Well, guess what that word part of what that word means? Legal aid.

>> Mhm.

>> He's the one that that just like for instance the story I just told where the Lord said, you need to come and make this statement in my court. I've taken nothing from them, not even a donkey. And combating, if you will, the accusation that I that that's what I'd done. Well, where did that work come from? It came from the Holy Spirit. He was the one that the legal aid that was telling me how to function in the courts. He was giving me legal counsel to stand in the courts as the paricletos. And and so you're absolutely you're absolutely right. I have found I have found that responding to the word of God uh what I mean by that is believing it and moving on it. If you'll do that, God will keep talking to you.

>> For instance, Samuel,

>> God spoke to him four times before he realized it was God. But he moved every time.

>> Mhm.

>> See, that's what kept God coming back talking to him. He moved. He moved. went to Eli. I mean I mean stop and think about this. You know first two times Eli what third time I'm like shut up and go get in bed and don't come back again. But but God speaks a fourth time and and he hears God this and he realizes it's God. But the reason God kept speaking was because Samuel kept moving every time he heard God say something.

>> Which is

>> that's so important. that ties in like I can't help my brain but doing this but there's so many there's so many new sciences that are coming out that just literally validate everything that's that God has written is perfect but uh the the amount of times that it takes something to create a pattern inside of a mental loop is three times.

>> Wow.

>> And so when I read that story with understanding that it is God was allowing Samuel to create a habitual pattern when you hear this is what you do it wasn't it wasn't all Eli being an idiot. It was also like Samuel learning how to the instinctively when I hear God speak, I stop.

>> I listen. I pay attention.

>> Um, which we have to get that habit built cuz a lot no one watching this show has has ever not heard the voice of God. All of you have heard the voice of God. I promise you I would like bet my whole life on it. But many people have heard the voice of God, not recognized or noticed it, and not done anything because you didn't think about it, and then that we complain that we can't hear God speak.

>> That That's ex That's exactly right. You know, I have a I had a friend one time because God speaks us a myriad of ways. I mean, he he speaks to us and we hear him, but sometimes he speaks, you know, in the vision, sometimes he speaks in dreams. Like, dreams are huge huge in my life. Um, and I had a I had a friend, well, I had a friend that told somebody said, "Well, Robert had this dream." And as a result, he did da da da da. And that guy, the person he told said, "That's what makes Robert different than everybody else." He said, "Robert actually moves on what he hears."

>> He said, "Robert actually moves on the dreams he has. He actually believes that's God talking to him and he moves." He said, "Most people don't do that." And I was like, "They don't." And but but it's true. I mean, I found out that that's absolutely true. And the more we will move, the more God said, "Okay, I can I can trust you with something more." And um, and you know, but but watch like for instance, dreams for me, there's sometimes I have dreams that they're correcting. They're correcting me.

>> Well, I don't like those.

>> But I have to move on those just like I have to move on the ones when God's saying, you know, go do this.

>> Yeah. Yeah. And so because if I don't if I won't move on the corrective dreams >> then then I won't he's not going to give me the other stuff if you will because because my point is I got to be obedient regard whether I like it or not. I have to do what he says do.

>> I think you like him more than than you let on.

>> Yeah.

>> True.

>> Cuz I understand what you're saying. Um, but I I had to cross that bridge where I was like, man, I crave the correction of the Holy Spirit >> because God only disciplines those he loves.

>> And that's what I have to remind myself.

>> It's proof that he loves me. Yeah.

>> That is exactly right. Yeah. The the the issue is if we're Yeah. If he's not talking to us because it says it says if you're not chasened by him, >> you're not he you're not his. You're illegitimate. Yeah. In in Hebrews 12. Yeah. Um, can you take us back to revisit a loop on covenants?

>> Yeah. Okay. First of all, covenant is one of the things you can present in the courts of heaven because because covenant is legal in nature. It's it's it's an it's a legal agreement that was made. For instance, the blood of Jesus made legal agreement uh between us and God. and that because of his sacrifice, we are in relationship with God the Father. That's why Jesus said to his disciples, you will pray the Father himself and he'll hear you. Why? Because I'm about to give my blood that's going to create a covenant with between you and him that's going to allow him to hear you. Uh and so it it's legal. and and so as a result I did do this whole teaching on on um the fact that covenants are always ba like the new covenant is based on better promises. In other words, there's always promises in covenant like we have promises for healing and prosperity and family harmony and and all the deliverance, whatever. We're we're I mean everything that pertains to life and godliness >> Mhm. >> has already been given to us according to second Peter 1:3. So So that's all given. So um what happens is that I take that covenant and I remind God of it that okay Isaiah 43:26 put me in remembrance. Let us contend together. State your case that you may be acquitted. So the way one of the ways we put well one of the ways we present a case in the court is reminding God of what he has said. Well several things you remind God of who he is.

>> Mhm.

>> Because people think well doesn't he know who he is? Yeah he knows who he is. But when you remind him of who he is whenever for instance you say hallowed be your name. Our father which I know hallowed be your name. What are you doing? You're saying God this is who your name declares you to be. Now be that in my midst.

>> Mhm.

>> That's what you're saying. And so I mean you're remind So so I come before the courts, put put me in remembrance. State your case. Well, what am I Lord? This is who you are. Therefore, as I'm presenting this in the courts, I'm telling you, I'm reminding you this is who you are. Now, I need for you to do that and be that in my life. That's the way you present a case. Uh you present a case by reminding him of the prophetic word that we've been given. like God said. See, this is this is one of the ways you pray prophetic words into place is take the prophetic word and say, "God, this is what you said."

>> Mhm.

>> And and what I do is I mean, if I heard it, that's great. If somebody prophesied it over me, I say, "Your prophet said this to me." Why? And I call their name. Somebody says, "Why do you call their name?" Because if they're a real prophet, they have status in heaven and heaven knows them. And I'm dropping names.

>> Yep. 100%.

>> I'm like anything that'll help here. I'm going to remind you of who who said this to me. So we who he is the prophetic word. But but but one of the other thing you know what's written in the books of heaven which we haven't got into but but covenant covenant is something when you look in Daniel 9 Daniel reminded God of the covenant that Israel had with God and God had with Israel as he was as he was contending for them to be brought out of captivity and brought back that because God was a covenanteping God that that this would become real. So we have to know how to go into the courts and and use covenant as a legal right to approach him and make our case before him that what is contained in that covenant I would get the benefit of.

>> Yep. 100%. The there was a friend that I was texting the other day cuz I was praying for him and Holy Spirit said I'm in covenant with him.

>> Oh wow.

>> I said that's pretty cool. Uh and he said text him. So I said, "Okay." So I got my phone out and I started to sim audio and I said, "Hey, I was just praying for you. I don't know what this means, but the Lord said he's the Lord said you're in covenant with him." And Holy Spirit said, "That's not what I said." I said, "I'm in covenant with him. I've been down and I listened for him to pray so that I can answer him." So I was like, "Okay, >> God is actually in covenant with you." Um, and it started me going down this path of understanding that covenant is serious business in heaven >> because it's not just us being in covenant with God. God has a has a commitment to he's going to fulfill his end of the deal.

>> He's not breaking covenant. I think is as believers sometimes we think about it in terms of like I'm in covenant with God. Therefore, I don't want to, you know, mess up, which is all good. Sin can break a covenant. You can mess things up. But when you are in covenant with God, he is in covenant with you and he is interested in fulfilling his end of the bargain.

>> Absolutely. See, this is Abraham when God made covenant with him in Genesis 15.

>> Mhm.

>> He he kills the animals, you know, splits them in two. And the way they made covenant is they would walk between them.

>> And they would walk between them in a figure eight. Um and and so just read the story. What happens is that God puts Abraham into a deep sleep and a smoking um a flaming oven and a smoking smoking oven. I can't remember exactly how walked as he's as as Abraham is in this deep sleep. God himself walks through that. Why? Cuz he didn't even ask Abraham to. He said, "I did I did it myself. I'm making covenant with you."

>> That's what Jesus did. We didn't hang on that cross. Jesus did.

>> He hung on that cross and gave himself to make covenant because just like a God made covenant with Abraham and didn't even ask God. Abraham to walk through it. In other words, Abraham doesn't matter what you're going to do. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this.

>> And that's what Jesus did. Jesus hung on the cross, gave his body, gave his blood, made covenant so that so that it, you know, as we've talked about, we can step into these realms through our faith and our activity, but we're stepping into what Jesus did for for us and in behalf of us. And so, so I I look at that and I'm like,

>> I all I can do is say thank you sometimes. Yeah. Lord, thank you for the covenant you made that gives me these rights and these benefits that I have that I can step into these realms and you know, reap the benefits because you're a covenant keeping God.

>> Yeah. Well, I have not actually thought about this in a long time, but uh recently, like the last two months, uh it's been a frequent occurrence where I'll go into pray about something. You just answered a big question for me without even knowing it. Um, I'll go in to pray about something. I'll be like, you know, 15, 20 minutes in and I'll feel so exhausted >> that I'll take a nap and I when I wake up I feel like a different person.

>> Wow.

>> And this has happened four or five times enough to be a pattern.

>> And I remember I don't know if you remember these comments a while ago where people were like, "I love this show, but I keep like falling asleep in the middle of them."

>> And there were probably 20 or 30 of them. I >> actually don't remember those.

>> Yeah, we we will go back and dig them up. And I remember thinking like, is there like, is that like demonic or something? Like, we're good. Like, but what's going on? Um, and just four or five days ago, I was praying about the next season and the Lord said, "The mission for the show is changing." And the new mission for the show is really the same mission it's always been, but you didn't understand it. So, I was I'm going to clarify it for you. It's to teach people how to reenter covenant with me.

>> Wow.

>> And I was like, just when you were talking about Abraham, I was like, I wonder if people are like God's wanting to cut a new covenant with them while they're listening.

>> Amen.

>> And so they are feeling like it's not a good thing. It's like maybe you should just pause it and go to sleep, take a nap.

>> Yeah.

>> I've never connected those dots before.

>> You know, I have I have a covenant. Okay. So, one of the things people need to understand is that when God, yeah, we have the covenant with God through the blood, body, and blood of Jesus. He did it. Um um but anytime God says something to us that we hear him make a promise to us, that's because he's just made a covenantal promise with us. For instance, uh I was praying one day out of and out of Isaiah 59, I heard these words, when the enemy comes in like a flood, the Lord will lift up a standard against him.

>> Mhm.

>> And and this was in regards to my family, my my and but then it says this that that the redeemer will come out of Zion to all those who turn from iniquity. In other words, if people repent and line up with God that anything that they've lost, there going to be redemption. But then this is the word the Lord said to be as for me. Notice this. As for me, don't care what you do. As for me, he said, "My word shall not depart from your mouth, from your descendants's mouth, or from your descendants's descendants mouth." And the Lord said to me, I'm going to you, not only am I going to use you, I'm going to use your children, but I'm also going to use your grandchildren.

>> And God made that promise to me. So, what do I do? I take that into the courts. I say, "God, you said as for me." That that that's a covenantal promise from you. Not about me. You You said, "As for me, that the my word will be in your mouth, will be in your descendants mouth, will be in my descendants descendants mouth." And I began to claim over myself, over my children, over my grandchildren the promises of God that that this would come because God said, "As for me," and he he didn't say, "I had to do a thing." Now I I understand the thing that I need to do is to take that into the courts and to agree with God like you said earlier agree with that we we say okay this is what so we're agree agreement is such an important part of of our of our function >> uh in the spirit world and so that's what I do I just agree with who God is and what he said.

>> Love that on that note yeah what's the verse Isaiah 59 did you say.

>> Yeah yeah the last three verses there.

>> When the enemy comes in like a flood, the spirit of the Lord weighs a a banner against him.

>> Yes.

>> You know that there are scholars right now that are that are saying we translated that incorrectly.

>> Uh because of where the comma is. Have you seen this?

>> I've heard I've heard that. Yes.

>> This probably recently like last 15 years.

>> Y

>> um but it's gaining steam because they're like you you have to read it backwards and the comma was like randomly placed in the King James version.

>> Uh have you heard this? Mm-m. Mhm.

>> There's a decent case to be made that the actual translation of that just switches the position of the of the syntax of the comma. So when the enemy comes in like a flood or when the enemy comes in,

>> like a flood, the spirit of the Lord raises a standard against him.

>> Yes.

>> Like the spirit of the flood. Well, amen. And you the spirit overwhelms the enemy like and and it matches the New Testament, too, when you're like,

>> "Light isn't overcome by the darkness, but the darkness is overcome by the light." It's like actually the flood is probably

>> not the enemy, probably the spirit of God.

>> It just kind of checks out to me. So, I've I heard that a couple days ago and I've been studying it.

>> Yep.

>> Do you agree with that?

>> I agree with that. I do agree with that. Yeah. Like a flood. The the Lord the Lord comes in like a flood. And uh because I'm as you're saying that I'm thinking about um in in some of the Psalms, the Lord is over the flood >> and and his voice uh echoes or resonates over the flood. I think it's Psalms I think maybe Psalms 19, but anyway uh it just, you know, it it talks about the Lord and his effect and the, you know, the flood and all that. Yeah.

>> I love how good these guys are at knowing where in the Bible it is. I know. This is so helpful. Yeah. You can tell you guys are like pastors.

>> But but here's the deal. My my sons of the pastors, they'll call me, "Hey, Dad, where is that scripture?" Yeah.

>> And I said, "Don't you have a concordance >> or GPT?" Man,

>> I get in so much trouble cuz I'm like, "The Bible says this." They're like, "Where?" I'm like, "Read it." I don't know.

I read it this morning and I know what it said. So, wait. Okay. So, you said there's books. We're not getting away from that. You said there's books. So, let's let's just snap like overall. Well, this is where we've gotten so far. We know what the court of heaven is. We know that there it seems like you said courts of heaven. So, multip Okay. And then, so you've got the accuser. We've gone over that. We've gone into how to not go into the court being the idiot that just says everything and gets yourself screwed.

Um, judgmental. I would remove the shame, but yes. What? Like just saying dumb things. Okay. You're not an idiot, man. Okay. Thank you. I wasn't referring to me, but that's okay. Oh, you're referring to the audience. I just saved the audience. I'm not Keep going. Sorry.

I'm trying. All right. And so we've got this, we got this picture, and we know God's the judge. We've got the accuser or the adversary. And then you're saying there's books. Also, there's the cloud of witnesses. But then you're saying there's books. Mhm. What is that? Where does that come from? What does that mean?

Daniel 7 verse 10, verse 9 and 10 where Daniel's seeing the court. is the there are other scriptures definitely that rep uh that um that speak of the courts but Daniel 7:9 is the clearest picture cuz he's as a seer he's seeing the court and at the end of verse 10 it says and the court was seated and the books were open really and and and another word for books in the Bible is scrolls you know because they didn't have books like we have they had scrolls around wound up so the court is seated the books are open because this is a huge thing to being successful in the court. Um the court being seated means it's now ready to hear cases. That's I mean that I mean even in our natural courts, we go in, judge comes in, everybody stands up, he sits down, sit, okay, the court's in order, they're ready to hear cases because everybody sit down. Uh so court is seated, the books are open. Now the reason the books are open is because the cases that we're going to present are going to come out of those books. they're going to come out of those books. And we actually talked about this before we started taping. Um uh and it says the courtesy of the books are open. Okay. What's in the books? It's the prophetic intent of God. It's what God wants to happen because over in Isaiah 29 verses 10 through 12, it says that God would put a a deep slumber upon the people. and and it says um and their their prophets would not be able to see and their seers would not be able to perceive. And then it says this, it says the reason they can't because the whole vision has become like a closed book.

So here's the deal. That would mean that prophetic insight comes out of open books. That's why it's so important for the court to be seated and the books to be open so that we can prophetically sense. But if the books are shut, we can't present a case because there's no prophetic insight coming out of the open books. And so you have to know how to get the books open. I do whole teachings on how to get the books open because sometimes and by the way according to Psalms 139 verse1 15 and 16 David said all my days yet unfashioned all my substance yet unformed they're written down in a book. Your destiny my destiny was written in a book in heaven before we ever existed in the earth. See in other words what are we here to do? We're here to fulfill what was written in our books before time began. So I tell people destiny is not something you you create. Destiny is something you discover cuz it's already written for you in a book in heaven. And and so the enemy wants to stop us from getting what's in our books because the more of us that gets what's in our books, the more the purposes of God that'll be done. Because that's what the whole books in heaven are about. Fulfilling the purposes of God. That you have your peace, you have your peace. I have my peace. Da da da. And and so so the enemy wants to prohibit that. So he builds cases against us to stop us from getting what's in our book. And the one of the chief places Luke 22:31, everybody knows this scripture that halfway knows the Bible. Jesus said, "Simon, Simon, Satan has desired to have you that he may sift you of wheat. But I prayed for you." Guess what? That word desired to have, it's a it's a phrase, but it's one word in the Greek. It literally means Satan has demanded you be put on trial. That's what it means. In other words, Satan has built a case against you, Peter, to keep you out of what I intend to use you for to advance the kingdom. So, but I prayed for you. I've been into the court. I've answered the case and you're going to make it. You're going to make it. And and um by the way, Jesus didn't do that as God. If he ever did any This is crazy. If he ever did anything as God while he was in the earth, he forfeited the right to be our savior. You said, "What are you talking about?" Well, here's what I'm talking about. A man lost creation, a man had to win it back. That's why Satan said to him, "If you be the son of God, turn these stones into bread." He was trying to get him to touch his godhood. But Philippians say he laid laid all that aside and he lived his life not as God in the earth. Even though he is God, he lived his life as a man filled with God. That's what happened at the River Jordan. And so so he would he he functioned as a man as a human so that he could win s win creation back to God. And um and so whenever he said, "I prayed for you, Peter," he didn't do that as as God. He did that as a man filled with God. So that what that means is that if pe if Jesus could pray and and answer a case against Peter, then we can go into the courts and answer a case against us and and and so that we can get the prophetic destiny that was written in the books about us.

Brilliant. Brilliant. Does that answer your question? Mhm. You overwhelmed. You good? I'm great. I'm actually really good. This is really good material. Loving it. So, how is this I know you have full teachings on this and we can send people to that, but like in a in a palatable way, how do you get the books opened?

Oh, that's Yeah, that but man, that's because Okay, I do activations number one. Good to get I Okay, crazy thing. One time I was doing this activation because I said, "Some of y'all don't have your books. The enemy took them captive." Now, here's where I get this. I was in Germany as I was just getting understanding of the courts, just getting in and they would have me come teach because nobody else was teaching this stuff. And I was able to put scripture to the whole thing. So, this it's the group it was a it was a group that I first saw them operate in the courts in South Africa. So, I'm in Germany with them. Well, I taught, but then I watched them stand up and they were trying to get the book. They were trying to get what was in the book of Germany unlocked cuz listen, anything that has a kingdom purpose, there's a book in heaven about it. So, individuals have books, but nations have books, too. I mean, God has intent over nations. Uh kind of uh Revelation 10 kind of exposes that. Anyway, so they're going after unlocking the book of Germany. But as they're do, and I'm kind of just watching this. I'm just I'm just learning and I'm watching this as they're going after this. And here's what they say. They say they say um the book in Germany's been taken captive. Um and so they had to get the book back. And stop and think about the destiny of Germany. I mean, it went into Nazism. It went in, you know, world wars. It went in I mean, you start realize, yeah, it did. It got it got way off course from what the intent of God. So, they're saying the book of Germany was taken captive. So, it was crazy. They got the book back. And I thought, wow, I'm I'm I'm learning. They got the book back. They dealt with the things in the court. They got the book back. But then they said, the seer gifts say the book's tattered. It's torn up. Well, you start thinking about all the stuff Germany's been through. Well, yeah. It's it's destiny has been fought against and all these kind of things. And I'll never forget this. The lady, one of the seers said Bezel, remember Bezel, he was the one that built what Moses saw in the mountain, built it into reality, the tabernacle and everything. This lady said Bezel is here and he's here to repair the book. And I'm like, what is going on? I mean, I'm just I'm learning this stuff. But now I'm in this this group and they're very mystical and stepping into this thing and I never forgot that. So when I started teaching on the books I thought you know what there are people that their books have been taken captive because of sins in their blood. For instance, Esau, Esau's book was taken captive because Esau sold it out. And he, not only him, but his generations after him suffered as Edom as a result of him selling his book, another trade and an oral uh contract. Yes. Exactly. Exactly. And so I started realizing there were some people also. So I started teaching them how to retrieve their book by repenting for issues in their bloodline. That was so we would get the book. So this is what I tell people. Okay, here's how you know you don't have your book. You have no sense of destiny. You you you try to do good things. You but you have no real sense of destiny and purpose. That's because you don't have your book. Okay. Now if you have your book but it's not open. You have a sense of destiny but you don't know details about it. you you have no awareness. You you say, "Man, I do I sense that, but I don't want I I'm confused over the exact things I'm supposed to be doing." I said, "Those are signs that you either don't have your book or you do have your book and and so forth." So, I would tell so I would take them through this activation of getting their book back. And I'll never forget one of the times I was doing this, angels and books are always connected. Just look in scripture. They're always connected. So I suddenly saw angels being dispatched to go retrieve book books. And I'm because we were in America somewhere and I saw this angel go into Europe to go get books from people for people that they that their ancestors while they were in Egypt or uh Europe had actually lost their books. And I saw these angels just go and they began to and it's amazing. People will start seeing their books come back to them and all this. And then we would do the thing of opening their books. Okay, there's three thing I I know I've went a long way around to get to this good man, but it's crazy some of this stuff. So So um so there's three there's three things that I discovered about opening books. Um number one, worship opens books. That's why and that's found in Isaiah 29. this this people because he connects the fact that the books are shut to the to the fact that these people worship me with their lips but their heart is far from me. And so I began to realize, okay, worship because what happens when we when we're in a I mean, let's stop. We start worshiping the Lord. What happens? All of a sudden, prophetic understanding starts coming. Why? Because books are opening. Oh yeah. Books are opening because worship is opening books. Pure worship opens books. So worship opens books. uh tears of intercession open books. In Revelation five, when the book was in the hand of the one who sat up on the throne, John began to weep because the book was sealed and not opened. John's tears mixed with what Jesus had done, the finished works, his apostolic tears caused those seals to begin to be broken off the book. I mean, you just you start seeing these principles. And so the seals don't because because whenever I'm in prayer or I just begin and I tell people you don't necessar have to weep. I mean it's that's fine but but it's that passion that's coming out of you that's crying for your purpose and your destiny. I said it'll start breaking th those seals off those books. And then I also believe apostolic decrees. But Paul spoke about um that they in in 2 Corinthians uh 3 I think it is he talks about the Corinthians that that they were like epistle that he had that he had written upon their hearts. They were they were the epistles of Christ that he had written. And I said as an apostle he had to be writing upon their hearts what was recorded in the books of heaven about them. So his apostolic ministry was bringing into reality what was in their books that was in that was in heaven. So I talk about those three things of how we can open books. And it's crazy because people will see their books and then they'll see their books start to open so that they can start having a real prophetic understanding of really what their purpose in the earth is. seeing their books start to open sometimes is going to and this is like my experience is less seeing as well. I I will have visions sometimes, but when I get into prayer or worship or whatever, sometimes I'll just begin to feel um less afraid or I'll begin to feel like very certain, which is back to what you were talking about earlier. That's like a a sensory acuity to like this is what the book says, so why am I worried about it? I'm going to align and agree with that. Um so it'll happen in a ton of different ways. people you got to know like you're try you're explaining a kingdom that we don't have the linguistic containers to explain. So it sounds really complicated and it's not that it's really complicated. It's no more complicated than a highway. That's right. Where we understand like if you're in America you drive on the right lane and you use your blinkers. But to somebody who's never seen a car or highway, it would feel extremely complex. It's the same thing in the spirit. We just don't have words for it. That's right. You know, and that's what Paul said. I compare spiritual things with spiritual things. Yeah, that's what But okay. So, once books are open, if you're going to present a case out of those books, you got to you got to prophetically discern what's in the books. Okay. How do you do that? Well, Psalms 40 actually tells us because people don't real Jesus had a book. His purpose for being in the earth was to fulfill what was in his book. He knew exactly what it was, too. Because here's Yeah. Because here's what he said. I have come, oh God. It is written of me in the volume of the book to do your will. Okay? And in and prior to that, he says, here's what he says. A body you have prepared for me and my ears you have opened. So here's what I tell people. I say, okay, this be really practical. What's in your book? Okay, I look at my life. Look at who I am. Obviously, what was written in my book was not that I was to be an NBA star because I'm 5'10". You know, if I was going to be an eBay star, I would have be I would be 66, but that's not in my book. I said, "Look at your body. What does your body say you're here to do?" I said, "Jesus said you were prepared for me body." I know he was saying that from the standpoint he was going to give that body for redemption. But the the reality is your body is here's what your body is for to fulfill what's written in your book. That's what your body is for. The way you think, your mind, everything connected to your body. It's about fulfilling what was written in your book. Look at your body. My wife is 5'4. She's not going to be a supermodel. She's 5'4. I mean I mean you know they're going to be tall and you know all this kind of stuff. I mean the my my point is is we can be practical and realize some of the stuff that people think oh you know they need to I'm you know my body is this and that. No ju whatever your body is is going to be consistent with what's in your book because he prepared a body so that Jesus could fulfill what was in his book. Okay. And by the way, Jesus had to have a book because we have a book because he had to be like us in every way to redeem us back to God. Okay? So that but then the other thing he says my ears you have open. So I tell people I say here's way you know what's in your book. Take inventory of the significant words you have heard from God. That's going to tell you what's in your book. Because see a book quite often is not something we talk about the book and it is a book but it's not something I actually read. It's something that I'm hear I hear out of I hear out of that book. God opens my ears to be able to prophetically hear what's written in the book. For instance, I was praying one day and the Lord clearly said to me, "You will disciple nations." And here's what I did. I said, "Yes." And and then I thought, but what does that mean? Well, I found out it meant God was going to give me a message called the court of heaven that was going to impact nations as people began to understand it. And and but I didn't know that then. But but the Lord told me, you will. So I always knew as I began to discover books that what was in my book was to disciple nations. And then he he said other things to me. And so I go back and I look I take, you know, five, six prophetic words that I've heard from the Lord that were like life words and say, "Okay, God said this because that's what's in my book." Because that's why Jesus said my book, I've come to do what's in my book and you've opened my ears that I might hear.

Amazing. So, what do you think about that? I think it's amazing. It's so funny. I was literally just thinking about this idea this morning of how many people say, "I believe I believe in God." And it's like, "Okay, we got saved. Um, I believe that Jesus did all these things, all these angelic all the all these things, but yet live with no purpose." And yes, have I've totally been there. Totally been there. But it's like, how cool is it to know like even just the origin of prophecy in the sense of where does the prophecy come from? It's like, you know, it's as simple as like in heaven there's a book of that's what your life is meant to do and you were created for that purpose. And some people might want to rebel against that and be like, "No, I want my independence." But it's like, no, that's actually the best thing you could do is submit and say, "God, I want to obey and do that thing." Because it means that it's going to be something you probably somehow love to do. Because if you have a Ferrari that's meant to drive 200 mph and it only wants to drive 80, it's never going to know it what it's really like doing what it's supposed to do. And if that's how you were supposed to be driven, that's probably the reason you don't feel like you're living at the fullest. And so I just think that's so freeing and it's needed cuz a lot of us feel directionless and we're just kind of like, yeah, we believe God and then we just don't we don't do anything that's like eternal on this earth. What's your destiny?

Um, actually, can I read something that I had no intent on reading? If you're going to ask me that question, it's up to Robert. I will read this. Um, this is I'm going to be honest, it's kind of scary for me to read. But I heard this about um this was September 17th, so exactly a week ago. Last Wednesday morning, I asked Holy Spirit. I said, "What is it that you have told me like who am I and what am I supposed to do?" And I all I had was my watch. So I had to voice type into my watch what I was hearing because I was like I'm pretty sure this is Holy Spirit. But this is what I heard Holy Spirit say to me. I've chosen you to be a prophet who anoints those I have given scrolls to be revealed in all the earth. Can you say it one more time? I have chosen you to be a prophet who anoints those I have given scrolls to. Scrolls. Okay. For those scrolls to be revealed in all the earth. Oh wow. Wow. I'll let the apostle confirm or deny that.

That's very consistent with see again my mind. Acts 15 uh Silas and um golly the guy I think maybe it's Barnabas. Barnabas and Silas they were prophets. And here's what it says that they confirm the people. M see in other words what you're what when I hear you say that it's like okay from a prophetic standpoint you're able to empower people and confirm people affirm people in what's written in their book what's written in their scrolls just like Samuel did with David because I was I was telling my wife this I was like why didn't God just tell Samuel you be king if Samuel knew who to choose based on what conditions based on what destiny based on what qualifications and what needed to be done why didn't God just tell Samuel. And so I thought that was interesting cuz I was really having a hard time accepting this. But when I saw I saw that vision, it made sense immediately. I was like, it took Samuel anointing David and also kind of being a little bit of a mentor for a little bit of that. Like here's what you do and here's what you need to do from here. And I'm like, I've seen that. I've I don't It's not an exact replica of who I am, but there are bits and pieces of that that I can pull and go, yes, I see that. like that's part of what I'm supposed to do and lean into that heavily.

See, um I have a I have I have a organization or it's not organization, we meet once a year. It's called Global Round Table of Apostles where I bring apostles and prophets together. I love to have you guys to come. But we do it December 2, three, and four in Denver uh this year. Um by the way, the website is grpostles.org. But the reason I'm bringing it up because this when I first started it and there's a reason I started because I had had an encounter with the Lord when he told me to because I'm like who the heck am I to do this anyway? He told me to do it. So we're doing this be the third year we've done it. But this is why I did it because recognition is very powerful. When someone recognizes who you are, there's something about out of that recognition an affirming that comes that can propel you into a place of function and destiny that you wouldn't otherwise get into because we here's why we all battle rejection. This is like going back to the other stuff we was talking about earlier. M we I don't care who you I don't care how confident we try to we come across we there's these there's this element of rejection that none of us want to ever experience but the recognition by appropriate people prophetic people out of the out of the heart and mouth of God that deals with that spirit of rejection okay so here's uh first Thessalonians chapter 2 verse 7 and verse 11 here's Paul said he was both a mother and a father. He said, he said, "I exhort you as a father." He said, he said, "As a father, I exhort you. I comfort you and I charge you." What does exhort do? It means to draw near. In other words, I'm dealing with the rejection in your life. I'm I'm I'm You're drawing near. I'm drawing near. You're accepted. Why? Because that's what fathers give us. They give us they give us acceptance to empower us to go after some things we would otherwise not go after. But then he says I comfort. I tell that's what is comfort. It's the healing of trauma that would keep us out of our destiny. But the third thing is I charge and that's quite interesting. That word actually means uh evidence presented >> and of course my court of heaven mindset started. But then the letter said no no no. He said in this setting when Paul said I charged he said here's what he meant as a father I come and I give you information present evidence but it's but you're the one who makes the decision fathers listen f in other words you teach your you teach those connected to you how to make right decisions you don't make it for them if you keep making it for them they'll never learn how to make it themselves. So you give them the right information but then you allow them to make the decision out of the information given because otherwise and and that's what so often doesn't happen out of fathering. And so I remember my father in the faith I was going to go on TV and I had people with withstanding me this is years and years ago and when you know we didn't have all this and so we were you know trying to reach more people and and all that kind of stuff and people say ah you shouldn't do that it's too soon and so my my father in the faith I called him and I said I said uh his name is James brother James Walker he just went to be with the Lord a few a few weeks ago but he said I said I said brother James I said I said this is what's I'll sort of tell him and he said and he started giving me all the reasons why I shouldn't. And as I'm listening to him, I'm thinking now see I already got people telling me this. So he starts telling me all this, but then when he finishes, he says this. He says, but in the midst of all of that, excuse me, in the midst of all of that, he said, here's what he said. He said, what's God saying? And I said, I believe he's saying do it. He said, then do it. that he left the decision that he did. He didn't make it for me. He left it for me to make. And so that to me, that's what fathers do. But but but that's why recognition is so important from from fathers, from pro prophetic people, whatever it may be, to help us make the decisions that are necessary to move us on in our destiny.

It's one of the it's one of the currencies that that propels people forward. We're doing an episode here pretty soon on the seven types of favor. People get into this realm, especially in America, where they they only recognize one of them, which is the favor of the Lord, which is, you know, that's what unmmerited uh unearned type of favor. But there's six other types of favor. And one of them is the favor of man, which God will use. Um, in fact, I'm pretty sure everybody he he used in the Old Testament at some point clicked into the favor of man that were was what promoted them forward. I want to end here on recognition because um really quickly I'll just share like my it's not jaded anymore, but it was jaded for a long time. I got in trouble a week ago. one of my corrective moments with the Holy Spirit that we all love. M I was in a group of a bunch of people and people were coming up and talking to me and about the deep end and about the podcast which is starting to happen more and more uh which my personality is getting used to but it feels dangerous to me like exposure and habitually I just kind of like oh thank you you know thanks for saying that but then one woman came up to me um after the fact and she she said Taylor I was like I don't know this person but She obviously knows me. So I'm like, "Hi, good to see you." You know, she's like, "We've never met before." But my husband died a year ago and I found the deep end and she started to cry. She's like, "Every night I eat dinner and watch you and Jake instead of talking to my husband." And it's showed me Jesus. And it was something I'm sure you've had the same experience. We're like, man, that's like really heavy for me, but it's a good thing, but it almost feels dangerous. Mhm. Um, and so I was like, "That's amazing." But I walked away from it and and the Holy Spirit was like, "You didn't do that correctly." I said, "What what do you mean?" I told her, "Thank you." And he said, "No, in your heart you're you are rejecting the honor that I'm that I'm giving to you for different things." It's almost like rejecting recognition. In a in a world where we grow up to crave recognition, which I did, I got myself turned around backwards because I was never recognized. And therefore, I was like, forget recognition. And now when there is recognition, I reject it. Mhm. And so I started asking him questions about what this comes from. And he's like, it's a it's a it's a covenant. It's an agreement that you've come into that instinctively you push away anything that makes you feel special. So that you don't have any risk of fumbling the ball or doing anything like that. So, the reason I share that story is because I think we have a split audience at this point where half of the half of people are probably like, "Yeah, I should have been recognized and I'm not recognized." And it's like, "Well, that's bad, unhealthy. You want to go to the Lord for your recognition first." There's going to be like one person that recognized like Jesus was unrecognized for most of his life. His mom and John probably is all that there was. But then you you cross the threshold and I think this is where the other half of our audience is where they now are almost like rejecting whatever they're called to do because they've gotten so used to hiding. And I think it's brilliant that you're putting these people together, but it might be dualsided. Yep. You know, so how have you when you were growing up before you were at this place before you were the Robert Henderson Discipler of Nations? No one knew who you were. uh no one gave you validation. I want can you give us just a quick blueprint for like if you're unknown and obscure and it's becoming a a sort of craving for you to be recognized, how do you sacrifice that? And then for the flip side, when you're when you're in a place where people are beginning to recognize you and call out your callings, how do you handle that with humility rather than tilting to pride? Mhm.

It's a very complicated question that I expect a perfect one-word answer from, but like maybe help us land the plane on this topic. You know what? That number one, I think that um that's something that all of us struggle with because I've gone through it. the the Lord ultimately has to deal with the depths of our heart and take out of us any desire for uh our ambition for what the Bible calls vain glory because I mean that's in Philippians uh 3 where he talks about people did things for the King James version actually says vain glory uh for or for ambition's sake uh that ultimately what we're doing it for is for for him for for Jesus to be glorified and that everything we're doing we're doing that. We can say that and sound really spiritual, but the bottom line is I think God has to really work that in in our heart and he's very he's very faithful to do that. But having said that, the truth is that that God wants to give us both both the favor of God and the favor of man. For instance, 1st Samuel 10:1, I love this. I'm in a meeting one time. I'm sitting there and the Lord says to me, "Today, I didn't I mean, I'm like, where did this come from?" I didn't even know I knew this in first 1st Samuel 10:1. He said, "Today I kiss you with my favor." And I turned over cuz I was it was and it's where Samuel anointed Saul with oil and kissed him. And the Lord said to me, he said, "You can have the greatest anointing there ever was, but if you don't have the kiss of favor, it won't have its effect that I intended it to. You have to have the kiss of favor. >> I have to I have to be able to kiss you with favor and trust you with favor so that the anointing I put on you can have the effect." And that's what that what you need. That's what we all need. We we need to carry the anointing, but we also need the kiss of God's favor that lets that anointing then have the effect that God intended for it to have. And and and God wants to trust that with to us. He wants to trust us with the with both the anointing and the kiss of favor. And I think that that we have to we have to allow that process to happen. You know, we've got the negative, we got the positive, we got the indifferent. it all kind of merges together and uh and converges together uh for us to be able to be, you know, to step into destiny. And let me just finish with this. In Romans 8, Paul gives us five steps to getting into destiny and purpose and being trusted with with the favor and the glory. Number he says, "Whom he forneew, he predestined. Whom he predestined, he called. Whom he called, he justified. Whom he justified, he glorified. So those are five steps because being being fornown is decisions that were made. I'm going touch this real quick. Being predestined is when it was written in a book that we talked about. Being called is when we start getting glimpses of that out of our book. Being justified is when we go into the courts and deal with any legal case that's stopping us from entering that call. And being glorified is when we start stepping fully into what we were made for because because uh it says for instance in Isaiah 55, arise and shine for your light has come and what the glory of the Lord is risen upon you. In other words, it being glorified is not by going to heaven. It's about stepping into those realms that God can trust us with with his his his his pleasure, trust us with his privileges, trust us with his glory, with his favor that begins to rest upon us. So, it's a process. It's a pro and God will the thing is God will be faithful to walk us through that those places where that we began to be trusted with with um the favor of the Lord. And here's you you actually stop wanting it for yourself and you start wanting it for him. Um and and you you know I could be real spiritual and I yeah I'm at the place where I want it for him. But you know it's still I'm still human. I'm still human. I mean it's like it's like you know yeah I do I really really really do want it for him. But I kind of like the benefits that comes to me, you know, from what from from what he's allowing me to do. Yeah. And so, and that's good. That that's a that's a right order. God wants to bless us with that as well. Yeah.

So, amazing. Thanks for being here. My honor. I've loved it. Thank you. Anything else you want to end with? Are we good? Should we do Should we pray and take us into the courts of heaven for anything that you feel like is important in this moment? for people who are listening. You want him to go into the courts of heaven right now.

I could do something real quick. Okay. All right. Well, Father, we just thank you so much for the privilege of getting to be here on the deep end. And Lord, I just want to pray first of all that all those that are watching, all of us, that you would put a grace on us that would allow us the privilege of stepping into your courts. That you that we enter that place by the blood. So right now we just say and you can just say this by the blood I step into the courts of heaven and I thank you that as I stand in these courts that the blood is speaking according to Hebrews 12:24 and is silencing anything that would be against us Lord that that the enemy would be using and as I stand before you in your courts. Thank you, Lord. Even as we step past the doors, across the threshold into the place where the clouds of witnesses are agreeing with us, we just stand here before you and we lay our lives down according to Romans 12 and say, Lord, that we present ourselves as living sacrifices, holy and acceptable. And as we stand here right now, we just we just request of you the deepest cry of our heart. Whatever that deepest cry is, just request that before the Lord. Whatever you're yearning for, just just begin to just cry out to him and just say, "Lord, let this come to pass." And Lord, even as we do that, we answer any thing that the enemy would be using to resist us with, we answer that by the blood and say, Lord, we come into an agreement with your word and ask for the blood to silence every word that would be against us. Because that's what you do, Lord Jesus. You gave your blood to silence every word against us. And we thank you for that. And so as that is done right now, we just say, Lord, let your heart, your desire, all that's written in the books of heaven, Lord, let that begin to happen. And I just sense, open our ears to hear with clarity what is written in the books of heaven concerning us all across the nations of the earth. as we stand before your courts and we thank you for this and we honor you Lord. We bless you in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. Amen. There we go. See you guys next week.