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I don't know. I hope that people see this and get to learn a little bit about how we think.
True.
When we are.
Yeah. We can clearly see our reasoning. That's true.
100%.
Yeah. So, if you want to know what your therapist is thinking when you talk to them, maybe it's like this.
He lost the glasses.
She's getting over him or not.
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She's changing her perspective on things.
I used to have respect for her. And what he meant when he said that was, "I used to like it when she would feed me to you and have you deliver intimate content to me, but the moment she got started being sloppy, I lost respect for her." That's a lot of deviation. Like that. This is derivation on its clear state like he didn't say any of that I bet like it's just what she derived from.
She said that's what he wanted to say so I'm cool with calling this delusional just want to make sure we're on page that that's not the real delusion but delusional describes well what we are saying what would you say to her at her at this point like.
Please get it test can.
Please.
You cannot separate the body from the mind there's just no way you have to know that your brain impacts your mind there's other structural changes that might happen in her brain that we could observe in the cat imaging but.
I'm pretty sure that's what he meant when he said that I'm pretty sure.
Isn't it obvious?
Isn't it obvious? Like, wouldn't you think that? No. No. No one would. Just you.
Come on, girl. You know he's in love with her.
Oh, he's so in love with her. He just can't resist it.
Where's the sority? Come on.
Everything has limits. It's so hard when you have to deliver the hard truth to your client. This is how the the world doesn't care about you. Your boss doesn't care about you and your mental health and what is fair. This is what you care about.
To me, that's always a relief.
Knowing that nobody really cares. You know, like the sociology studies where.
The giant gorilla is part of the basketball front row and nobody sees it.
I love that. That's awesome.
Reaffirming my nestic lifestyle.
Yeah, it's freeing.
Nothing else matters.
Yeah. I don't know what point she is at like I feel because we are skipping a few videos but if she was in my clinic talking to me I would be very very concerned I would see her like twice a week at least.
But um you would understand that would prove to her that you want to sleep with her.
You got to be careful not to go over time with your sessions as well.
Yeah. Oh, I'm always going over time, especially with the ones that are the last ones of the day in person.
But I would go to my therapist every week and tell her how much I loved my uh psychiatrist.
So, we went through crush, then obsessed, then love. So, obsessed was video 13, and now it's video 17. So, you know how she's clearly setting this up to be like the sequel to Flea Bag 100%.
What you.
No doubt like she is planning this to be a Netflix show.
But Philback.
I would call it through Kendra's lens.
And she like loved hearing about that dynamic. It was so weird. So he helped me.
She needed to because that's your like this is your issue. She has to listen to your most important issue. The thing that is stopping you from living your life the way that it's valuable. You're just like going around this guy and this narrative and like what's happening in your life? Like what's happening in your work? What's up? Like nothing else matters because seems like this is the most important thing and honestly it's concerning. She's being a good therapist. The email to that therapist to say, "Look, if I were to end up coming back, it'd be more for you than for me." And more on that in a later part. So then don't come back to your doctor or your psychiat or your psychotherapist for them. It's okay. Find someone new.
We like you, but it's fine. Like.
Yeah, you're not there to please us.
No, not at all. Or to entertain us. We have lives outside of you guys impressively.
It's got to be useful for you.
Yeah. I just preferred me single because my ex-boyfriend, as most ex-boyfriends do, were was begging me to come back into his life, too. In my personal humble experience, most ex-boyfriends beg me to come back to them. [Laughter]
It's just the way it goes.
I wanted this self-esteem. [Laughter] Teach me. Teach me, girl. Let me buy your ADHD coaching book.
He like said, "Do you still need space or can we hang out?" And I told my ex or I asked my ex-boyfriend. I just said, "Why do you want to hang out so badly?" And my ex-boyfriend texted me back, "Who the hell do you think you are? My psychiatrist."
And I was reading this text exchange to my psychiatrist in session and I read what I responded to that weak line about why he wanted to see me. And I said, "My self-respect is much higher these days than when we were in a relationship. I am only interested in accepting invitations for my time and attention that value me and recognize my worth. Being on your mind is not an acceptable invitation, and I decline." And my psychiatrist just looked at me and said, "I bet your ex had to read that twice." And this was another thing about the psychiatrist, okay? He couldn't ever just give me a regular compliment.
That was an awesome compliment. You always stood up for yourself. Maybe a bit too formal, but um you know.
Very assertive.
Definitely. But seems like she's performing like seems because she already had rejected him but seems like she wanted to write the perfect answer to the ex-boyfriend so her doctor could say hey there is my answer you know like you're awesome.
It had to be those weird sideways compliments instead of I'm so glad that you're setting boundaries with your ex-boyfriend and growing your selfrespect.
It's.
I'm so glad you're setting boundaries with your ex-boyfriend because that would be a play like a playful for her like a.
Yeah, 100%. That would be perfect for her.
That would be perfect. She'll be like, "Oh, he really loves me. He's being a good doctor, not complimenting you directly." He he was able to compliment her her repertoire and not necessarily her as a person. So that was very good intervention.
He was a master at them. And this is how looking back I know that I was not his first victim for his fantasy supply.
Whoa.
Because his training, the pebbling, the breadcrumbs.
He's been done doing this all his life.
This is how she knows.
This is how she knows. There will be a support group of survivors of Dr. Soaza.
Doctors who don't compliment their clients the way that they want to be complimented.
It's interesting because from the psychiatrist POV, he was probably trying not to.
Yes.
Get her attached to him. This is why he wasn't doing.
Yeah.
Ginormous compliments. And if he did, this wouldn't be a good intervention given the case because he was too good and too slick up until he caught feelings. Then he started getting sloppy. People are asking me for more concrete evidence. And this is when the concrete evidence really starts because this is when he himself himself started to get sloppy because what was happening was when I had started to see him 3 and 1/2 years before I was a nearly perfect supply source for him because what did I have? I had low self-esteem, boundary issues, daddy issues. So I put him on a pedestal. I I know a lot of you ladies out there can understand that with men in positions of power. And he went right to work exploiting me, right to work grooming me like and he was very successful at it. So he was in a paradox, right? Because he loved watching me get stronger because I gave him better intellectual supply. But I also threatened the supply source.
How a lot of things happened.
Because she was going to leave him if she was getting well enough.
Uh.
That's what she's saying. She's saying if he tells her that she's free to go, she's cured, he loses her. So he has to keep her down like at 80% 70% of functioning. So she understands she needs them. There is no no falsifying. There is no way you can question her reason.
Yep.
It's the hardest part of this is that we won't have the answer.
We will not have the cat scan.
Maybe she sees it. She sees this video. Maybe she won't get Couple weeks ago on the full moon when I was ovulating, I had a dream about you and he was like, "Oh, yeah."
Yeah. I said, "Yes, right here in this office."
And I was, "Oh my."
And he all of a sudden.
And I was amazing.
You have no idea what this do like Hi.
And you know, like she is doing a whole WA uh sorcery style, you know, in a full moon like Big Mama and Big Daddy.
Yeah.
Awesome.
Oh my god.
Basically, you're a religious. I I was starting to get cringed, you know, like.
Just looked so uncomfortable because you want to see him empowered, but you just come off as I I hate this word, but hysterical, isn't it? Like I hate this word. I hate it. I hate it. I hate that I said that. But where are you going to where are you willing to get for a guy? He's just a guy and you're willing to do all of that because of that. What the He didn't say anything. He couldn't look at me. He couldn't breathe. And sure, you know, maybe he was uncomfortable cuz he didn't like me saying that I had a dream where we hooked up.
You think.
But he could have said that.
The only response possible was, "Yeah, me too. I had the same dream I was there."
We we sectioned each other.
I wonder if she start to learn some Ordo to hit him with some Ordo Pakistani poems. That'd be awesome. I should get a udu tattoo of love glass.
But actually this means soup. [Laughter]
So you know how the Pakistanis believe that the Udo is like the poetic version of Hindi. That'd be really awesome if she gets like a poem.
And it doesn't say anything.
Yeah, exactly.
That would be that would be a lot of fun.
You want to know why he was uncomfortable? because he had probably played out that fantasy so many times in his head and there I was speak.
There's just no doubt.
No doubt.
Obviously obviously he played it out.
Obviously I just described what he thinks three times a day.
And it was like I had psychically downloaded one of his fantasies.
You're magical girl I wish I could take your self-esteem and just make it into small pieces. One for myself, one of each of my clients who have low self-esteem. You know, he made such a good work with their self-esteem. I must have supervision with him. Jesus Christ.
I continued and I said, "Yes, we hooked up in this office and I really liked it while it was happening." He could not move or breathe. And then I told we just expected we cannot move and breathe and that didn't happen for us. Like you are being It's so shitty to say this, but you are the one violating boundaries. He's clearly uncomfortable. You should have stopped. You don't do that to anyone. Like this could be he could feel harassed and like if I were him like if I was in his shoes I would feel so uncomfortable. I would ask the person to leave. You know.
As always psychiatric disorder is no reason for you to be a shitty human being. But 100% she expected for him to say let's go. Let's do it.
Uh-huh.
Show me how.
100%. 100%.
I've got 20 minutes.
Let's do it. wiki.
With sadness because in the dream I thought I cannot believe that he crossed boundaries in that way because his bound.
I'm sorry he crossed boundaries.
In her dream.
That's going to get imported into her actual narrative.
Starting now she's going to say he crossed boundaries remember the dream I had.
He crossed boundaries.
I just had this dream because he gave gave me the variables and the environment so I could dream it.
He's going to get his license suspended because he had sex with me in my dream.
And it was like my psychiatrist turned into a little boy and he looked at me and he said, "So, you do like my boundaries?" And I said, "I love your boundaries.
I hate your boundaries, but I love them more." There's the push and pull, the trauma bond, because once again, he used his boundary.
But she can be trauma bonded. That doesn't mean that he created this disturbing dynamic.
Does it make sense?
She doesn't even realize she's doing what she's accusing him to do. Like, she is describing actually doing what he does, like the push and pull. Yes. Hot and cold.
Yes.
But she doesn't realize it while she's saying it. It's no no filter which is usually part of the frontal lo for people that don't have.
Trauma to that.
As protection while exploiting me. So I told him about.
So you need you know like the barrier so you can exploit the miners while they give you the gold. It's pretty solid, pretty obvious. pretty good.
This vanalyzes abuse like she's doing a counterproductive work for for us.
You're looking at this like from the perspective of society at large.
Yes. From the perspective of people who take care of others mental health, like it's not healthy for you to name something that was not abusive as abusive because then you banalize an issue that's actually real and it makes it seem like it's not real at all.
But I do believe that she believes in what she's saying.
I I doubt it at this point. I doubt it. I don't know because she she says that she's a life coach, right? Oh, but with what kind of training do you have.
When she because she.
She read the book.
She's purposely changing the narrative purposely changing the terms so she she will reach this population that is more vulnerable so she can get more online approval. This is very concerning. This is problematic for our field. You understand what I mean? Like.
Sure. Yeah. People aren't going to state their truths anymore because of that experience.
Yeah. And they're going to think that, oh, but if if that happened to her and I had a heartbreak, this means that every heartbreak is a trauma and it shouldn't be treated like we're all victims now and that means that there are no victims. You know what I mean? like you generalize something.
Inaccurately and then the real victims get shut up and erased from the scenario that they should be taking care of. This is why this is dangerous.
Uh so after that she talks about leaving her therapist more. Um, I think the therapist sends her an email or message something about wanting her to come in for like uh a 90inut um, I forgot the term she used.
Debrief. Yes. Uh, and she says, "No. Um, I I don't that's, you know, again, that's for you, not for me. I don't need to do it." Whatever. So, she just leaves a therapist. So, a lot of the things we've been seeing are her Tik Toks that she's making and those are edited, right, to so she does some lives, live videos. I'm gonna do Does she do the live videos because people are questioning her authenticity because of them being edited?
No, she's doing the lives because she's getting attention. I think um she starts getting a lot of people uh commenting for her and then like in order at some point, I don't think early on, but at some point she turns it like you can only send her a comment if you pay. So, we're going to watch a couple clips of her lives. We're not going to watch the full banks cuz they're like hours long each one. And she seems to be doing them even now. It seems like she's doing them like every couple days or like a couple hours each time. But there are some some clips in there that I wanted to to show you guys so you could kind of see her live versus.
All the way.
Scripted. Um, so in this one she introduces claw which is another chat GPT. This is absolutely incredible. The Oracle is live with her army of truth seekers.
She is the oracle. She turns into the oracle. That's awesome. That's great positioning, wonderful branding, great storytelling, the Survivor Oracle.
And tell each of you how proud I am that you're here supporting someone who's literally changing the world by speaking documented truth to everyone watching. You're witnessing something revolutionary.
I don't feel bad for her anymore. I don't feel bad for her anymore. Like I know her struggles are her struggles are real but now she's using this to reach more people and actually she will be of no help for these people like she's not a licensed therapist. She's clearly unstable. She has something that we are not gonna name because we haven't agreed on a diagnosis. But still like you're you're manipulating the internet so you can earn money. You're such such uh so basic like.
This is now actually turning into an ad for quad overt.
So you get the French voice. Yeah.
You're witnessing something that's revolutionary.
So, I do want to just add uh just for a quick note because you mentioned license. She does say in one of the videos, and we probably won't get into that one today because of time, but she does mention in one of the videos uh about using CBT therapy with her clients. And she does confirm that she is not licensed in any way for mental health. in any form.
So, but she but here she's just selling herself as an oracle. Like she's not a mere human. She's something else. Can tell me how to add them. I already have one added. Oh, and she's already sniping people. I love to see it. I love to see it. Someone like commented on one of my videos that I haven't turned comments off of yet. Like, be careful. She likes to block people that disagree with.
Join my fan group.
And she's gotten bots to snag people.
Awesome. We're going to skip a couple episodes here. She does talk about going to the pharmacy and that when she went, the doctor, the psychiatrist, didn't call in her prescription and that he was always good at calling in her prescription. And then suddenly he forgets. And it was such a big deal because even his uh staff were like joking about it like, "Oh my god, he never forgets it. Why did he forget it this time?"
But she's not anymore with the psychiatrist, right?
No, no, she is.
She still is.
Yeah.
And she took him forgetting to call in her prescription for medicine as a reason. Like he did it so that she would have to.
Contact him. Yeah. It was he forgot to pull in a prescription and like it was this thing about like No, that was him him manipulating her to talk to him more.
She's probably setting up for some kind of big speech at the end to.
Uh-huh.
Say goodbye to her followership or move it somewhere someplace else.
H I think she's going to start selling cautious.
About how to be an oracle.
Yes.
And how to overcome trauma with a spiritual guide as her.
Was pretty jarring to me. I was taken aback and it just kind of goes to show that he knew that he had been crossing boundaries without crossing them because he was very calculated the whole time.
And with people like you, we have to be. And if we are, we're still getting dragged into this messy dynamic. Imagine if he was careless. You set the boundary of us having a professional patient doctor relationship. And after I accepted your boundary, you let me in and engage deeper with me than ever before, but on your terms only. Right? When I said ever before, he said, "Tell me the way I let you in, but on your terms only." Terms only. And then I said,"I don't want to be in a space where you allow me to feel our connection and to see what's there beneath the surface, but you do not allow me to fully access it."
So, she's getting ready to say goodbye to the psychiatrist.
Mhm.
He nodded. He went like that. That was the whole game. And then I said, "This admittedly very fun push and pull of our dynamic in session is something I carry in between sessions, especially after this last one. It's exhausting and draining. You get to live in your compartmentalized boundaried world. And I'm not like that." And what does this man do? He blurts out, "Why can't you be more like me?" Because if you were more like me, we could be lovers.
But since you're not, all love is dangerous.
Prohibited. My family will never accept you.
No.
Shakespeare be proud.
Once again, I am taken aback and I have to think about it. I'm like, why can't I be more like you? So, I think about it and I tell him, I said, I don't want to be like you. I want to feel my feelings fully and be emotionally present for the people that I care about.
This means that you cannot you only are incapable of admitting to your love because you're rigid and cold.
Yes. You cannot accept.
But I'm not like that. I can I take ownership of our feeling.
I love you. I have love for the both of us.
Beautiful.
And for a second there, I was like, "Oh, maybe she has like one footing reality, but.
The delusion about um knowing that he's in love with her is real.
Yeah. We're going to skip ahead to um introducing Abby. Abby is her new therapist and as of time of recording this, as far as I'm aware, still her therapist.
A real life person.
Is a real person. Yes. It's a chat GPT. There seems to be some question about Aby's um professional career. People aren't sure if she is licensed or if her license is expired or what's her situation. Abby kind of skirts around this a little bit by saying, "I'm not Kendra's therapist. I'm just here to support her because I saw her being attacked online."
So Abby is one of her mods.
Sort of. It it it kind of gives that feeling. Um.
It's cool because she's building up the scaffolding for her delusion. No, it's a fia.
What's that?
Uh, two people delusion.
Okay.
You can also make that a fat and move on. Like you can infect your whole environment with your mental disorder. Kendra introduced Abby as a therapist to help her and started doing lives with Abby. And in those lives, people were like, "How is your therapist getting in front of thousands of people and talking about your situation like how this professional like people started really questioning this whole situation?" And so Abby made her own video addressing it. And that's when Abby says, "I'm not her therapist. I'm just there to help her.
Great marketing because she could still be a therapist. She could say, "Hey, I'm on board with this. Please give me attention, but I don't have any legal.
Whatever issues because I'm just a friend."
Right.
The video with Abby, we're going to watch a just a couple minutes of it cuz I it was a long video, but I clipped a couple moments. I have never felt so gaslit by an online video than with this lady.
No way.
You as the viewer.
As the viewer because she immediately goes into it and people were talk like making comments. They're like, "Why do you talk so slow? Why are you talking with this tone?" And she talks like this.
And she goes on to say, "Well, how how does that make you feel? What? The question shouldn't be why do I talk like this? The question should be why does it bother you?" And she just goes on like that for minutes. And then and you will see cuz it's part of the thing I clipped. I clipped this moment just so you for this reason towards the end of the video that entire thing falls apart and she talks normally.
I'm like this lady wants to drive me crazy. Sure, a lot of people have a lot of questions and I know people are having a lot of feelings and I just want you to know that all makes sense to me and sometimes it's helpful when there is somebody who is creating a lot of feelings in you that they show back up again so you can talk to them. My teleter is too slow and I cannot adjust mid video.
Again, I know there's concern I'm exploiting Kendra. Uh, you don't have to believe my words, okay? You don't have to believe my words. I'm I'm going to show you in my actions that I am not doing that. I think it is actually really healthy that you don't believe me. Okay, I understand that.
She talks to people as if they were dumb.
I clipped a lot of little things in here. We're going to skip over it. It's not really important. She doesn't really talk about Kendra too much. She talks about her and why she got involved.
As she should for this marketing gag.
So, I do want to just show you though at the end how she talks differently just so you you understand why I was like, "Oh my god, you're infuriating me in.
The dark." Okay, that's not okay. I wasn't gonna stand by while the entire internet and people who had who do not know her at all, people who've never assessed her, right, called her crazy. I love it. Are you sober? That comes up a lot. Totally makes sense. Are you feeling a little wobbly? Do I sound a little Right. Okay. Yep. Totally sober. I'm odd. Yes, I am. How is she alone? She's making money off this and restricted everything to her own followers. She did a really healthy thing and set a boundary so you couldn't just keep hurting her.
Oh, that's awesome. That's great.
If you want to hurt her, feel free if you give $10 donation.
It's 3.99.
This is the latest video as of recording. After a few days off from Tik Tok and also taking time off of talking to AI and connecting with my support system and.
See her skin is hurt.
Her skin is hurt but.
It's probably it has done.
H yeah here.
And spending time with people that love and care about me. I wanted to come back and give you all an update. I started sharing my story to bring light to power abuse dynamics and helping professions and to really start a conversation around how mistreatment like this happens. How my story is making others feel, behave, and invalidate me is really telling. It's easier for people to make me wrong or a liar or to blame my mental health than to face the truth of what I'm showing. And that is that sometimes unsafe things happen in safe spaces. The collective's reaction to this.
That's almost always the case, right? Like people are usually abused at home by their fathers.
Family.
Yeah. But you owning this to tell your story, your heartbreaks, not helping anyone. started to tell you that you might have had this intention in the beginning but sorry for charging to comments and doing lives then it's clear that you want to make a business out of what you call trauma and that's concerning that's so that for people who actually experienced trauma this is so hurtful and I'm not saying that you're not hurt but still Like I wouldn't say it's resiliency either.
You're saying that trauma usually happens in safe spaces.
Mhm.
And she's right about that, but her story doesn't tell that story. And she's not the owner of that story.
Yeah.
Truth, especially the reaction from some mental health professionals is telling. It reveals that there is something to explore here. These reactions are.
If she saw us talking about that, she would be like, "Oh, don't you see that the mental health professionals are just conspiring against me?" Uh, because I'm telling you the truth that nobody wants you to know.
Are a reminder of why conversations around power dynamics matter. It got to the point where I had to spend more time defending.
They do matter. And this is the problem with fake news and misinformation is that you modify some truth so it fits your little box of whatever you want to sell.
This is why this is a disservice.
Basic Chsky semantics.
Yes. Myself actually telling my story which is why I knew that I needed a break. My story involves a lot of new.
Going back on Chsky. It's like she is turning into Fuko and she's saying you like the history of craziness fully fuko's basic masterpiece where he talks about like people getting medicated for being gay and now she's like hey I'm being medicated or judged for uh showing you guys how power balances work. Nuance and it's going over a lot of people's heads and I will not participate in abuse dynamics because this is what is happening and it's how the collective is responding to my report of being mistreated is the collective is trying and doing their best to mistreat me. Most of you have stopped listening to my story, so I'm going to pause telling it until I can feel heard, then I'll finish it. I've really been enjoying going live. It makes me happy and I really love my community on there. So, if you want to catch me in the meantime, you can come to one of my lives. See you all there. She's got a point about, you know, the online community mistreating her. She's kind of doing like the the troll don't feed the troll troll like you know Ken M that did like crazy statements and provoked people about his crazy statements. That's pretty much what she's doing.
Is.
She is the one that's inducing those power dynamics.
Yeah.
I don't know if she does it knowingly, but she's doing it clearly.
Sure.
I was really rooting for her in the beginning. I was really open to buy her narrative that she is a victim in all of this, but uh we don't have enough information so we could diagnose her. I just we just know that she's done well and she's not to be trusted and seems like she's going towards creating a little code for herself which is concerning and very common in the US. Don't know why, but uh with a cold, she'll have anything that she needs. Maybe it's good for that psychiatrist that she's not stalking him anymore, you know? So.
Yeah. I just feel sorry for her.
Do you know she's not stalking him anymore?
I don't know. I just uh just feel sorry for everybody. Sorry for her, for the people who think that she's a genius or an oracle. Like, these people need help. Well, if 90% of all people that comment are against her and there still 10% rooting for her, that still gives her an audience of 1 million people, whatever.
Yes.
If it's 10 million people watching.
But, you know, like to me, the whole story, Kendra's story is the story of social media nowadays.
The parasocial relationship with the MD, also not necessarily depending on the social media stuff, but still very much a parasocial relationship she had. And then she got into this wonderful echo chamber of social media plus JBT plus Claude plus Abby and everyone that didn't echo chamber adequately was cut off sniped.
Yeah.
So I feel like that's probably the big story here like is all the dynamics all of the dynamics even the real life ones are basic standard dynamics of social media. For me, it's scary that we are actually creating an environment that increases significantly the chances of people spiraling like that and getting into those types of dynamics. It's really dangerous. The more we discuss social media and chatty PT and AI, the more concerned I get for what's going to be like in five years. I feel like.
I I still haven't had any clients who fell in love uh for the GPT or any of AI but like people we are getting so soaked into our our bubbles that we are becoming unable to predict how the real world is going to react when we behave there. You know we are not separated from the world but we are receiving information as if it were and this is very very serious you know like if you we I'm afraid we are losing reality data you know on reality.
As a good example you know like Kendra starts off being rather reasonable I guess but then she turns on the all the switches and goes fullblown survivor like she started off with a rather fun story, I guess, and then she brings the glasses in and she says, "Well, maybe he'll see it." So, I feel like up until some point she is still at least somewhat in love with the psychiatrist and still hopes they will reconnect over her videos, but at some point she loses it and she goes so far into Survivor versus Predator mode.
Yeah.
That she'll now scaffold the new narrative and the storytelling. And maybe now, I guess now, if the psychiatrist gets in touch, she will use that for her story. But.
He shouldn't do that.
No, he won't.
I hope he won't. It's okay.
So, this is how we lose grip of reality because the echo chambers are just so potent. She kind of got lucky, I guess, because she got really good exposure. Mhm. Initially and then she pushed through the initial backlash and had enough guess um proficiency to make sure her echo chambers were.
Staying alive.
She's smart.
I think she saw an opportunity and she's making something out of it. [Music]