Synastry class- Same planet aspects

Foreign. Hi everybody, how are you? Good. I saw a couple of you this morning. Long time. Been a long time. Let me get rid of my daughter's phone. I'm sure she'll be in here shortly to retrieve that.

All right, so we are continuing our planet to planet, uh, discussion. Um, planetary combinations. Hi, Jamie. And we had ended with talking about planetary pairs last lesson. And I believe we left off on Uranus. Wasn't that right, Stacy? Okay.

So then we move on down the line to Neptune. So, um, contacts between Neptune are not, uh, themselves extremely consequential. They're not going to have a lot to do with the personal nuances of compatibility. So we would be looking more for difficult aspects either from Neptune to Neptune or Pluto to Pluto, because that can show where we can have generational ideals clashing. We can have different versions of our idea of, uh, you know, what it is to dream or what we would. Can you hear me, Bae? You have a very expressive face. Um, so there's a, uh, a com- a combining of what we find to be most beautiful or ideal or desirable. When we have Neptune to Neptune, um, it's going to be very unusual, or more unusual, to have, you know, significant aspects between Neptune because we would have to have, um, you know, a significant age difference to really have that come about. And even more so with Pluto. But with the hard aspects, we can find that our brand of beautiful is in conflict with what somebody else is dreaming about, what they find to be most, um, uh, absorbing. Because we want to be absorbed in Neptunian things. That's that's where we escape. It's where we find a place to recharge as well. So with those two potentials with Neptune, we can just get lost in the ether, and get lost in the alcohol, the substances of Neptune, or we can use them like the ether, the substance of Neptune, to recharge rather than to be completely depleted because we are consuming it or be- being consumed by it all the time. We use Neptunian products, Neptunian situations to recharge, not to escape. So we go on vacation. We vacate. That's a Neptunian thing. It makes us feel like because we've had an absence, we actually feel better with more energy, with more ability to cope with life. Whereas if we're just on a permanent vacation, we are running from life. We're not engaging in life. And that's usually going to be in the form of, uh, you know, some kind of addiction or avoidance. And we have that abandonment of the real life. So we can encourage, um, we can encourage each other's ideals with Neptune to Neptune, or we can feel that there is just some mismatch there. It's just not landing. So these are not common things to see in in synistry. Big differences between the extreme outer planets. But they can be there. Um, Pluto to Pluto is not going to be that common either. We can have some aspects between Pluto and some aspects between Neptune. But the majority of our relationships, especially our romantic relationships, will have, uh, you know, Neptune within a sign or two, or within the same sign of the people that we're interested in. It takes Neptune about 14 years to get through one area. So Pluto to Pluto, if we have a difficult aspect, again, this is not going to be one of the things that is highly, uh, predictive of compatibility overall. But we can see differences when it comes to our ideas of regeneration. So we could have, um, you know, say somebody from the hippie generation that has, uh, Pluto in Virgo. And that could be very different than somebody saying, my generation that has Pluto in Libra. So we can have, you know, some amount of distance between those. But, um, you know, Pluto in Libra is about different types of families, different types of relationships, um, exploration into different ways of relating to each other. Not so much an explosion of the, uh, [Music] uh, say that the things that keep us together, like in Virgo. Um, so we can have some, some amount of difference there when it comes to how we approach things. But again, it's going to be a very generational thing. We'll have one person say with their Pluto in Virgo that was formed and molded by those certain generational forces. And they can, you know, feel that that exploration into different ways of living or different ways of managing ourselves or, um, that was, you know, left a really big impression on them. And we're just going to have a more broad, different point of view when we have differences between the outer planets. Any questions about that? It's not really that complex. The outer, outer. Okay.

So let's talk about, um, [Music] so we're done with planetary pairs. So let's talk about planetary combinations and get through those. Um, let's start with the Moon, since that's incredibly important in synistry. Moon to other planets. I have made videos about these, but this is your opportunity to ask questions. And I tend to come up with other information that isn't included in those videos when we talk, um, live. And I'm also really tired tonight. When you guys get me at 6:00 PM, I'm usually pretty rough. I've, I've lived a long day. Um, so we talked about, did we talk about Sun to Moon in the first lesson? Do you guys remember? Was it Sun to Moon? I think we did. I think we did because we were talking about the inner plan- the Sun and Moon to the angles. Do you remember specifically, Stacy? No, I. And the weird thing is, I just listened to that again recently. I don't recall. Maybe I didn't. Maybe I didn't. Um, yeah, because we did Sun to Sun, Moon to Moon, and then Moon and Sun. All right. So let's cover that. Um, so the good aspects between Sun and Moon are a given. That's where we have the Moon person feeling like the Sun person's behavior and how they go about themselves, their mode of creativity or personal expression, that seems correct to the Moon person. When we have the good aspects, the conjunction, the trine, and sextile, all the easy aspects. The quintile's a bit interesting because we will have the Sun being somewhat different, but in a way that it's not completely or automatically offensive to the Moon person. Difficult aspects between the Sun and the Moon, Mars and the Moon, Pluto and the Moon, sometimes Uranus and the Moon. We can interpret the non-Moon person as offensive. So with, uh, the hard aspects between the Sun and the Moon, the Moon person, see, they've been raised with a certain amount of, um, normalcy. Whatever was going on within their environment, even if it wasn't normal, it was normal to them because it's what they knew. It's what's familiar, regardless of what it is, if it was healthy or not, it's familiar. So the Sun person is acting in a hard aspect to the Moon. The Sun person is acting in a way that is unfamiliar to the Moon person. That's the same thing with Mars. How Mars acts out, uh, the Sun and Mars. Mars have a lot in common. These are fire signs. These are extraversion signs. These are brash signs, or brash planets, sorry. Sun and Mars. So when the Sun person expresses themselves, when they do their Sun, the Moon person looks at them like, that is not what I expected. That's not my version of what should be or what is normal because that's, it's not in tune with my Moon-ness because that's what's normal to us. But these can be very, very creative aspects. Even if it's a hard aspect, we can be very attracted to each other. There can be a draw towards a feeling of more completeness. So that, that's sickening. Saying you complete me. You really don't like that saying because you can only complete yourself or a puzzle, which often is yourself. So we do feel, however, with Sun and Moon contacts, that there is something that is more whole when we are together because the Sun person to the Moon person is representing the, the, the, the yin, the yang, the yang. So we want to have that fullness of male, female, positive, and negative. So there's this pull towards completeness. Now, we're gonna have to work for that a little bit when we have the hard aspects because hard aspects are going to ask something of us. But they can be more rewarding. We can really feel like we have, uh, we've gone through something together. We've grown. We've, we've accomplished something. We've learned about each other. So the hard aspects ask some amount of energy. These be put into the interaction between the two of us. So we can get to that feeling of being more, uh, get feeling like, so how do I input it like, um, we just have that sense of, uh, well-being, connection. They seem to bring to us what we are lacking or light on. So it's just like we feel more complete when we are together. There can be a lot of harmony in a relationship with the Sun and the Moon in good aspect. And when we get to composite charts, we'll talk about that too, about how the Sun and the Moon in good aspect is, um, awesome because that can cover a multitude of other sins. So if we have good aspects between the Sun and the Moon, that's going to go a long way towards us feeling that there is a large part of the relationship that is working, that that is in harmony. So there's a lot of harmony between the masculine and the feminine, the positive and the negative. So those are very desirable aspects to have in synistry, especially in composite charts. The easy aspects between the Sun and the Moon. The square between the Sun and the Moon is still very attractive to people, although it can be very irritating to the Moon person. The Sun person generally is not, again, going to feel the offense that I could have the same interpretation that the Moon person has, um, because they are just themselves. They are unabashedly themselves. And it's really the Moon person that has a reaction to that. They reflect that back to the Sun person, often, um, in a way that's not always the most assuring or, um, supportive. Often we don't get the kind of applause that we're looking for when we have hard aspects to our Sun. So we are working on how to allow for the Moon person's feelings, how to understand the Moon person's feelings and where they're coming from. And then they're the irrational component to them. And, and what is our part in triggering that or bringing that out or not understanding? So we're learning. We have to really come out of our comfort zone, um, to learn, uh, that have to have more of a conscious process of investigating the Moon person, you know, what is it that really makes you tick? Because it can be very head-scratching to have a Moon person react to us, uh, in a way that that isn't validating when all we've done is be ourselves. So, um, we're working on feeling that, uh, that completeness between the Sun and the Moon with the hard aspects. But there is a sense that it could be there, or there's something there. There's a draw towards it. And that's one of those exotic differences that in the beginning can be very attractive. But over the course of time, and things start to settle down, we get into a routine, we can find that to be more annoying. And that's when we have to start really working on it. Any questions about the Sun and the Moon? Um, would, could you talk about, um, the Sun and the Moon when they're in opposition to one another? Yes, that can be very good. But again, oppositions are always going to, uh, have the potential to bring out something extreme in us. So both of us are our, our extreme solar or lunar nature. When we have the opposition, it can be very balancing, very much so, if we interpret it that way and appreciate it that way. If we're looking at the differences, that's when we only are really focusing on the friction. Those differences can actually be very, very good. So what's natural and common, uh, to the Moon person, what really fits their expectation of behavior, will actually be very, very different coming out of the Sun person. The, um, the behaviors will actually be very naturally balancing to the Moon person's feelings or needs. So, um, let me think of a practical example of that one. Say we have some, we have the Moon person, and they struggle with their weight and they want to look a certain way. But they were raised, you know, there was a lot of macaroni and cheese and comfort foods and rich foods. And so it's something that they do. They tend to, to keep eating because that's really what they're used to. That's their comfort zone. And say then, because maybe the Moon is in, let's see, so the Moon is in Cancer there. And then we meet a Sun in Capricorn. And they're prone to eating more raw foods and vegetables and fruits and things that are, um, you know, just naturally healthy. So this will not be the Moon person's experience or what is, what, what they think is normal. But yet the Sun person's natural behavior, who they naturally are, is very balancing. It brings this need, if it fills a need to the Moon person. So there can be a more, uh, a sense of completeness because we have the Moon person who needs an influence of, you know, a healthier diet, or maybe some more updated ideas about weight and diet. And that's just kind of what the Sun person is about, about, um, less rather than more. So we have a natural balance that is there. And the Moon person can really learn to appreciate that. Some person can really learn to appreciate that. Then we can have this, uh, combining of characteristics that is very, very beneficial to both and can make a more complete circle. So we are liable to draw out more as the main person, liable to draw more extremes of creativity or solar behavior in the Moon person. I'm sorry, the Sun person. The Sun person will draw out more extremes of emotion and emotional reaction in the Moon person. So yeah, that's an interesting one. And you would think it would actually be more common in synistry, but I don't see it as much as I would think I would. Yes. Um, I had a question about the same thing, um, because I remember in your censored, censored video about like Moon opposite, or Sun opposite Moon, um, that you can have this kind of traditional, um, I, how do you call that? I'm sorry. Traditional male, female. Yes. So, yeah. So my question about that, say you have like a heterosexual relationship with someone and the male person is the Moon and the Sun person is, this is the woman. Um, and like, let's give an example of a Leo Sun woman and a, for example, Aquarius Moon man. So what would happen there? That is, uh, I do see that every once in a while. We'll see that one. Um, it doesn't, I don't see it disproportionately. Like I'll see certain things, uh, more than less in synistry. You'll see certain patterns or contacts more than less. Don't actually see that one very often, the woman being the Sun and the man being the Moon. But it's not unheard of. And I've seen some successful relationships. It did have that the man tends to take the, um, the role of the receiver, or the role of the, uh, the, the feminine role. That doesn't mean that he wears an apron and is, you know, um, turns into a woman. That's not it at all. Um, it's more like, uh, it's more like my parents' relationship, who are actually a good archetypal example of this, because my mother has most of her planets in Aries, including the Sun and the Moon. My dad has most of his planets in Cancer, except Venus comes into, he just comes into Leo, I think. So she's always been the leader in the relationship, and he's always been the follower because he has more of a naturally passive, emotional kind of feminine personality. And she has a lot of fire and leadership abilities, and she's just a little bossy. So they just fall into this natural pattern. And that is very much what happens when we have the woman with the Sun and the man with the Moon. So fall into this more natural pattern of she has, um, and this won't tell you everything about the relationship, but there's, she has more of a chunk of wearing the pants in the relationship. She may not have that completely because we could have other things going on where she could feel like very disempowered in other areas of the relationship. But this is one where the woman has, between the two of them, she's more in the position of the male role or the leadership in the relationship. So the man tends to, um, you know, just fall more into the receptive position. And because it's an opposition, there doesn't tend to be a, um, an argument about those roles that we're going to fall into. When it's the man and the woman, every time you get that classic, I am going to go out and do the earning, and then the woman being the Moon, I am going to stay home and wear the apron. It just brings it out of us. Um, it does tend to bring though, with the gender opposition, some of those masculine and feminine qualities out of both the male and the female, though. But that does not mean that in every aspect of the relationship, the woman will wear the pants. You have to look at everything. Does that make sense? Okay. Anybody else having that? Bae, sorry. Oh, um, I said thank you. Stacy, did you have anything else? Yeah, I was gonna ask about, um, Sun and Moon in conjunction. That sounds like a difficult relationship. That is not uncommon. You know what? I see that more commonly than I see the opposition. I do. It is not uncommon in relation- Did you want to say something for it went on? Yeah, so that was actually my, my second question. So that matches, uh, right? I think with Stacy's equation. So why is that that you don't, the, um, the Sun Moon opposition that often? Like, England? I don't know. I don't know why. I couldn't tell you. I just don't. I don't know what the, the rhyme or the reason is. Probably because it's just not as statistically attractive as the in conjunction. The inconjunction is like a stinker to deal with too. She actually doesn't end up happy a lot of the time because there is this pull towards something that's so different, which is fascinating by it, but then it's extremely annoying. The Moon person actually finds the Sun person's behavior to be understandable or perplexing. So it's, it's, it's not like with a direct hard aspect where we find it directly irritating or in conflict. It's more like we don't get it. So, I, I knew a couple that had this some years ago, and she had, she was very crafty, like she loved knitting and sewing, and she would collect the wool from her alpacas and she would spin it and make these beautiful articles of clothing. And he was very rough and tumble. He was a rodeo dude and just was always out, um, you know, traveling and in these competitions, and he was outside the home. She was a total homebody. And he was, I'm gonna go get another belt buckle kind of guy. So she never got why he was pulled to that. She could never understand why he would want to be put himself in situations where he could be breaking bones or potentially being paralyzed or her. So she's never got it. And he could never understand why the hell she would want to sit around and spin wool. To him, that made no sense. So their natural modes, you know, her idea of home and comfort and expression and just what she'd always done, it was just so different. So they didn't spend a lot of time together. They didn't have a great deal of a great deal to do with each other. And it turned into one of those relationships so we're just living in the house together until we grow so far apart that we decide to go our own ways. That's very symptomatic of having the Sun and conjunct the Moon in synistry. It can be more of a slow death than a direct death that comes from conflict or that comes from differences. And you can get into, um, I've seen couples, I've seen lesbians that have that one that fall into lesbian bed death, which is when we don't have a male sex drive in the relationship to keep the sexual relationship going. And then we just eventually kind of stop having sex. And we don't, we, it's not that we aren't attracted to each other anymore. There just isn't that testosterone to keep things more regular. So we can get into more of a gradual disinterest or, um, just a lack of connection. You know, if we're not sharing things between us, you gotta wonder what we're doing together. You know, we're not going to share everything, and we don't want to share everything, that would just get annoying. But we want to have at least a chunk of life that we're both invested in, that we're both experiencing, that that is something that, you know, we're both in, in some fashion. Um, mutual experiences are important. That's what we share. That's what there is to talk about. Okay. Yeah. So, um, for example, about, um, let's say, like a lesbian couple, um, then you have like a Sun Moon in conjunction, and then you have like, um, a hard aspect between Mars and Moon. And well, maybe something like between Mars and Venus. Like, is that something that's impossible? Yeah, a combination of things. You're just, we have some things that are disconnected with the Sun and the Moon. Then we have like Mars Moon square, you said, at the same time. In other ways, we're going to be extremely passionate, like super triggered about each other. So you want to look at the houses and see what areas of life is all this occurring in? Because we're going to be disconnected in some area of life, and we're going to be probably at each other's throats in another area of life. So it's important to look at the houses that that's going to fall into because that's going to show you a lot of the happenings there. So it's very, relationships are complex. And that's normal in relationships to have different levels of relating going on because we can be very connected in this area. We can share these certain interests, interests. We could be very disconnected in this other area, or we can be really on each other's nerves in this area. And that's common. That's happening in most relationships. I've only seen a few that were only one way, more that we're all negative than that we're all positive. Um, but in that case, we would have this problem of being very perplexed by each other's feelings or behavior, depending on if you're the Sun or the Moon. So there's a disconnection. But then the other person is frequently, uh, irritating us too. So that's like negative on top of negative that we're seeing there because not only do I feel like I can't connect to you, or like you don't get me, or that you're just kind of an alien creature, but you're also irritating. So that's a problem. But then say we have a really good aspect, they're trying to, from the Moon person to the Sun person's Uranus. There's also this friendship that exists there. The Moon person actually does feel that there's some tolerance that exists for them. But that's probably not going to be in the heat of the moment when we're having that Mars Moon conflict. That's going to be one of those things that after things slow down, or we've shoved a pie in their face, then we start to think, oh, but there's a lot of things I do like about them, or that, you know, we are such good friends. And so those trines can be the like the background tissue that holds everything together because they are a given between the two of us. So that is a common thing to see where we can have a disconnection, we can have a conflict, and then we can also also have something coming off of that that makes it possible for us to forgive and forget, or at least not kill each other. So yeah, it's multi-layered. Anybody else have any any questions? If there's a lack thereof in aspects in a romance or, um, between the Sun and the Moon specifically in a romantic synistry chart, um, how big of a problem is that? I'd say that's more common than not. Okay. Yeah. You don't have to have direct Ptolemaic aspects. You, you hopefully want to have them in compatible signs or in opposition signs. Square signs, not the most ideal thing because our natural feeling and our natural behavior, even if we don't have that square by style, is going to rub us the wrong way. It will be worse. It will be more of a thing if it's a square. So if we have like two, so we have two girls who are sitting, two women. Everybody is a girl to me now, under 35. Um, we have two women sitting together and they're both talking about the, the gripe that they have about their husband. And they have the same gripe, but one of them has it worse. That's the one with the direct Ptolemaic square. See, they both have the same thing going on, but the one is really, really irritated by it. So it's like, how severe is the difference? This a direct square is the, the most. That that's when someone directly irritates us. But we may not like a number of people who say have their Sun in that particular sign. We don't hate them, but, you know, maybe we just don't prefer that mode of expression. Like, um, uh, you know, somebody that has their Moon in a square sign to Leo, they may not like Leo people because they could find them to be loud or sucking all the oxygen out of the room, or it's just a different way of being. Okay. Um, so shall we move on to? Let's see. We did Sun to Moon. I see Sun to Venus. We're not gonna have a lot of aspects between Sun and Venus. I'm not going to have a lot of aspects between Sun and Mercury. They're going to travel together. I mean, in the, in the birth chart, they're going to travel together pretty close. In synistry, we can have, oh, we can have all kinds of things going on. So let's talk about Sun to, let's talk about Sun to Venus. So, um, the good aspects, we're not even gonna notice. They are gonna be something that, uh, are that are showing that we have a lot of preferences that are the same. That, uh, our mode of, uh, what we choose and what we like, what we prefer. These are more superficial aspects between the Sun and Venus. They don't have a lot of consequence to them, whether they're good or whether they're bad. Even the, the difficult aspects from Sun to Venus are minor things in relationships. Venus is a more superficial, uh, force within us. It's, it's what we like and dislike, and, uh, what, what, what we love. It's not what we hate. Hate is an extreme thing. That is a Pluto thing. Venus itself, there's not a lot of extreme with Venus itself. And the good aspects from Venus to the Sun, we're going to enjoy a lot of things together. We're going to want to do more things together. Uh, the Venus person is going to feel like the Sun person supports a lot of their hobbies. And the Sun person is going to feel very beautiful and attractive in the presence of the Venus person. And it's, it's a, it's a good thing. It's not going to save a relationship that has a lot of difficult stuff in it, but it will make it easier to do things together. And, you know, to choose restaurants together, and just to spend more harmonious time together. Now, we won't have as much likes in common with the hard aspects between the Sun and Venus. We'll have, um, uh, differences of, uh, preferences, friends, where we would go to dinner. These are going to be more superficial differences. So, um, it's not, they're not terribly consequential contacts, but they do go, uh, they go a longer way towards showing harmony in more everyday interaction. And we can see that with the contacts between the Sun and Mercury as well. The difficult contacts between the Sun and Mercury, um, those are going to be more consequential. We can have different ways of going about our day as the Mercury person that the Sun person isn't, uh, always gonna feel like like they're supported or like they're, they're validated. Stacy, what is going on with you? I'm sorry. I was just thinking about something that happened last night. Totally turned out. Yeah. Um, I actually just saw a cat video before I came on here that was a cat that has the same genetic condition that I do. Nobody wanted to adopt it. And I was crying. Anyway, I would have totally have adopted that cat. Um, so yeah. Good aspects between the Sun and Mercury, not gonna be terribly consequential. The hard aspects, more so. We're gonna just have more daily differences. The Sun person would prefer to have someone whose routines upheld their sense of self, their idea of how or who they want to be. So a practical example would be like if say we have, uh, one of the partners who's the Sun, and she's an actress, and she really, really wants the Mercury person to come and see her show. But the Mercury person has the schedule. They're really weird about change. Say they have their Mercury in Virgo. They're really weird about changing their routine. And sometimes that, that can be something that this throws them off completely. And so they prioritize their daily life and their, their routine and and their more superficial needs over, uh, you know, going to the Sun person's performance. So, you know, the Sun person could be really hurt by that and feel that, you know, really didn't support me. And the Mercury person could like think nothing of it, like it was just, you know, what, what was good for me, it was what I needed to do. Um, so there can be differences there. And that's kind of an extreme example. We probably wouldn't even have something that serious occur with this. These kinds of difficult aspects, um, they're less noticeable overall. The Sun to Mercury, Sun to Venus, and they're not relationship killers when you see the difficult ones. Any questions about that? Not so much. Okay.

So we talked about Venus to Venus. Uh, so let's talk about Sun to Mars. So Sun to Mars aspects are always going to have heat associated with them. And, uh, if it's not a sexual relationship, these will be, it will be the heat that's generated through to the temperaments, the difference in temperaments. And if it is a sexual relationship, that's another component to things. That we have this, um, friction. With the easy aspects or the conjunction, the friction is generally not, um, it's, it's not appreciated, especially over the long term. With the hard aspects from Mars to the, from the Sun to Mars, it can be attractive in the beginning. It doesn't, unless we have a lot of other very harmonious things going on, it doesn't, from what I can see and what I have seen, it doesn't seem to be something that is present in a lot of long-term relationships. It can draw us together, but those temperamental differences reveal themselves pretty early in the relationship. I mean, we're not going to have to, we're talking about two more closer inner planets. We're going to see differences in temperaments sooner. They're going, we're going to see differences in hopes and dreams, values, ideas about, uh, self-preservation or enlightenment, all the outer planet stuff. We're going to see these inner planet contacts show up pretty early in relationships. So, um, we really rub each other the wrong way when we have hard aspects from Sun to Mars or from Mars to Mars. And a feeling of repulsion or disgust can develop because we can feel that the other person is challenging us. They, and, and we can actually feel like they're trying to rub us out. With the hard aspects, because we have two elements of the ego, the Sun and Mars, when they're in a hard aspect, we don't feel good about how the person is treating us or viewing us. We don't feel supported. We don't feel validated. The ego does not like that. So we will fight greatly, and the defensiveness in us is huge because we feel offended by the other person very, very frequently. So, um, we have to not try to win. And this is one of those relationships where this would be present. You'd have to ask yourself, do I want to be happy, or do I want to win? Do I want to be married, or do I want to win? And then we have to back off and stop defending ourselves so much of the time and really look at what is it that that feeling of offense is coming from? Because very often, the other person with their square planet is not trying to offend us. It's just how they are. We find it to be offensive. Stacy, did you have something? I mean, it's just a lot to think about, like that whole dynamic that, like, raises so many questions. And also, even like in that dynamic, if someone does try and like hold their Mars back, would the Sun person respect them for doing that? I don't, uh, that's what we're hoping for. That's what we're hoping for. Um, but we're dealing, often actually, it's usually the Mars person that is more out of control or more unwilling to to gain some control in that situation because Mars is where we are most impulsive, and we just pull our gun immediately. The Sun is the medium stage ego. It's, uh, that stage between the infantile ego, the id. Mars is the id. Um, so it's the ego that the sense of self that we're developing in teenage hood when it's becoming solid. We're really finding out who we are. You know, we go through our spooky poetry and our vegetarian phase and our lesbian phase, and we figure out who we are by, hopefully by age 18. So then, uh, then we get to the, the super ego, which would be Jupiter and Sagittarius, the next fire sign. That's the other part of the ego. But the Sun, uh, we have a bit more self-control. We have a little bit, we know ourselves a little bit more. It's not so impulsive. It's the knee-jerk reaction is Mars. It's that reaction that, like when someone comes up from behind and grabs you, you're just gonna fight back. You're not gonna even think about it. So, um, yeah. Oh, Bell, I'll call on you in just a second here. Um, there's, uh, a maturing that has to happen with both of us when we have squares like that. And we have to really, um, not spend so much time trying to prove that how we've interpreted the other person is interpreting us is wrong. So there's a lot of time that's wasted in trying to prove ourselves or defend ourselves. All right, take a look at Bell's question. Oh, yeah. Bell, go ahead. I thought you had typed then. Oh, thank you. Sorry. Can you hear me okay? I'm driving right now. Yes. Yes. All right. Fantastic. So I'm on the subject, uh, so I've got, um, a Sun and Venus that are both, uh, ninth house Taurus, and each of them is, um, in opposition to, uh, Pluto and my Moon in Scorpio in the third. So my Sun is opposite Pluto, and my Venus is opposite. One astrologer recommended that I started, uh, trying to date, um, Mars and Scorpio folks. Um, I date men of Mars and men. And then, um, I've done that, but then my Venus is terribly uncomfortable. My Sun is terribly uncomfortable. But then when I date, uh, you know, like Taurus folks, they really get overwhelmed by my Scorpio. So I don't know what to do. Sometimes we run into that where it's like, we're between a rock and a hard place because there's no ideal relationship because one side of us is always going to be, or one part of us is always going to be in conflict with, uh, another part of somebody else. So it sounds like you have one of those oppositions where, uh, yeah, we've got two signs. They're going to be definitely square to everything that's going on there, and that can make it a bit tricky. Um, I myself don't recommend to people that they date certain types or, uh, or another. Um, I don't, I don't think that's how we are. Even if we have that intention, our, our psychological bell is gonna go off with who it's gonna go off with. Even if they are, you know, somebody that has signs that we would never consciously choose, chemistry is chemistry. So, um, there have been quite a lot of dating sites that have experimented with matching people astrologically. And I understand in theory why we would do that because you would think that, you know, you could really manufacture or create this perfect relationship. But even when we create those perfect relationships with astrology, there's no guarantee that there's going to be chemistry. The chemistry is something that we have to start with, and then we look at, then we look at the chart. But if it were as easy as finding perfect archetypal matches and then having that work out, I think we may have started doing that a long time ago because that would make things much more simple. But we don't seem to operate that way. Okay. Yeah. So why wouldn't that not work? Why would you have to ignite that? For example, the person with his connector is very attractive. I think we would still have the, the potential for that going on, but we would have to have other things that are occurring. You're welcome, Bell. Other things that are occurring because I would say, you know, I was at Fred Meyer earlier today buying some seeds, and it was entirely possible that the checkout guy had his Mars in a hard aspect to my Pluto. But I didn't jump in. I didn't do a striptease because I lost control of myself, as we can with Venus Pluto aspects. So, um, we can have, and we'll have any number of contacts with people on a daily basis. But chemistry is a weird thing. It's not a predictable thing. And, um, you would think that we would be able to create it by, you know, finding these, you know, more perfect combinations. It just doesn't seem to happen. It doesn't seem to to work like that. We just don't ignite. And it could be that we're looking for too much harmony when we're making those kinds of relationships, and there's a certain amount of friction that draws us to people. So that means dating based on like, um, let's say your zodiac sign is not something natural. So actually, you know, no, I don't think it is natural. Just like why online dating? I mean, online dating can help if you like have the right intention. But like, like two people who match with each other on Tinder, like you can't like force them to kiss, right? Right. Because you could even say, go to a dating site where it's very specific, you know, it's, it's like the horse dating site where I would go there and everybody loves horses. It's only guys that loves who loves horses, and they have many other things in common with me as well. But the chemistry may not develop. It's not a given. And I never want to see men in riding pants either. Six men should never wear riding pants. It's not a good look. So yeah, chemistry is unpredictable. Okay. Anybody else have any questions or comments about that? Okay. So yeah, I was actually wondering about, um, [Music] your own personal planets in hard aspects of generational planets and how that will affect your daily relationships with your peers? Because that's something interesting as well. But I don't know if there's enough time for that. Um, whether that actually matches over. Is it already seven? Oh, my gosh, that went fast. Um, well, I'll address that and then we'll wrap up. Um, so no, it doesn't seem to have, from what I can see, Bell liked my my comment about men and riding pants. Um, there doesn't seem to be an effect on our peer relationships when our personal planet is an aspect to another person's outer planet. Is that what you were asking? Yeah, yeah, because like, for example, my Mars is square my Pluto, and my Moon is opposite my Mars, squaring my Pluto as well. So it's like a T-square. When I found like, what I found out is actually that actually among all my peers, I kind of like ignite something bad or something, which might have been the reason that I've been bullied like in the past. So, um, that's true. I, well, personally, we're gonna rub other people the wrong way when we have hard aspects like that, or we're going to find that other people rub us the wrong way because we're dealing with power issues. And, um, so, so that's, so people with Pluto are like a catalyst for change or for the breaking down of other people, or the healing of other people. Especially people with a lot, a lot, a lot of Pluto, like somebody with Pluto on the Ascendant, or just a huge amount of Pluto in their personality, they would probably qualify as a huge amount of Pluto they have. But it can be very good. It can be very positive. We have to remember that it can be very empowering. They're influential people, is what it comes to that. They have more of a potential to change the people or influence the people around them. So we have some people who have a butterfly wing effect. We have some people who have a condor wing effect, and that would be people who have a lot of Uranus or a lot of Pluto in them. Because we can be triggering in such a way that it's like a pack of firecrackers, you know, all laced together. All you know is that you go off, but you can't see how it spreads through the rest of the firecrackers. You're only seeing the one who you are. So we don't see the effect that we have. Um, and I've noticed this too, when I have a client that's really, really highly Plutonic, that I often get something from them. I myself benefit in some way from that conversation or that interaction. I learned something. I moved or influenced myself. So there's just, uh, I want to say, when you're, when you have that much power to, well, just that much power, I mean, it's gonna affect somebody somewhere, and it's gonna be pretty frequent when it's Pluto. So, um, we will, when it's our outer planet, someone's inner planet, especially Pluto, we will break down that inner planet to some degree. If it's a hard aspect, it will be very a difficult process. If it's an easy aspect, it's actually not a difficult process. Say an easy aspect from Pluto to the Sun. The Sun person can feel like the Pluto person's influence, um, you know, how they maybe point things out to them that they didn't know about themselves as the Sun person, or how they influenced them in a way to, uh, maybe investigate what more of their authenticity looks like. Or, you know, when the Pluto person calls on the Sun person, the Sun person is not going to feel offended by that. They're not going to feel like the Pluto person is trying to rub out their life force or change them in a way that they are resisting. We accept it. We're like, yeah, you know, that makes sense. I, I enjoy. Thank you. Your input is good. So even though the Pluto person is having this effect of breaking down the Sun person's idea of themselves, it's actually interpreted by the Sun person as okay, it's helpful, it's, uh, desired, even. But if we have a square between Pluto and the Sun, the Pluto person's influence causes a breakdown in the Sun person that is, and we can get this with the conjunction too. So difficult with the square, though. They cause a breakdown of the Sun person that can cause identity crisis. The Sun person can feel that their life force is being extinguished, or their will is being controlled by the Pluto person. So the Pluto person might actually be the same in both situations. Say they're with, they're addressing somebody who they have their Pluto trying to their Sun, and they say a certain thing to them. And then they address a person who has their Pluto, their Sun square to the Pluto person's Pluto, but they say the exact same thing. The two people are going to interpret that very differently. The two Suns are going to interpret that very differently. The one Sun who's trying will appreciate it. One Sun whose square will feel like, you just tried to kill my free will and my willpower. And so there's this breakdown of ego that is more devastating with the hard aspects. Does that make sense? Yeah. So, and for example, investigation, say you have, say you have like your Sun in Aquarius, which is, uh, squaring your Pluto in Scorpio. Um, so with all interactions with your peer, youth, with your peers, you'd have like the feeling that other people are trying to extinguish, like your life force. And if it did your native.

Guard, yes. Is that that's yes, yes. This idea of disempowerment, empowerment, and authenticity, and the right to be myself, and the right to exist. That's the sun. Our solar power. It's our vitality. That, that's always in threat. It's always threatened by our darkness, by our devil, by what's unknown, by what's repressed, by death. So there's this feeling of threat that we always live with with that particular square.

And, um, people can act that out, and then we'll get a reaction to that. And we'll be like, "Why is everybody so threatening?" Well, it usually comes from behavior. And you can really look at, um, you know, what we give is generally what we're going to get back. In some cases, that's not true, but generally, what we give is what we're going to give back. And you can see that illustrated not just with people, but with animals. I mean, say you're walking in a forest and a bear shows up to you, and he's actually a really friendly bear. He's not acting threatening at all. What we would reflect back is not fear. But say we're walking along and a bear shows up and he's growling. We are going to reflect that back: fear, threat. So what we show up with and give is generally what we get back.

If we say have a problem, uh, say our credit card gets shut down and we don't know why. So we call the credit card company. We're like, "What the hell? I went to make a purchase and I couldn't." They are not gonna be as receptive or helpful or go out of their way for you as if you would have said, "I, you know, I went to make a purchase and I found my card was shut down. Can you help me with this? Can you help me figure this out?" Much more receptive, and we'll have that reflected back to us. So, um, if we have a problem, especially if it's a customer service problem, it's always better to be friendly, even if we are ragingly pissed off, because we want that friendliness and that helpfulness reflected back to us in that particular instance. So, yeah.

Because that's your rage, not the other one's rage. Yeah, yeah. It's your rage that they're going to reflect back to you. Absolutely. Yeah. Okay. Okay, Stacy, you had something, right? Oh, yeah. It was a selfish question. Is, um, I have a, and I'm wondering, does this all, does this stuff apply to me? Like, I have a Pluto stationary direct trying my ascendant, and I have Sun square Pluto and Mercury square Pluto, and my Sun's in the eighth house. Does that make me a Plutonic person? There's a certain amount of Pluto that's in them. Yeah, I would say that you, you would qualify. Uh, the ascendant's excellent. That's very good. Um, we're going to project that power, um, in a way that's not going to rub other people the wrong way. We don't appear scary, but we do appear firm. So with, like, Pluto on the ascendant, we inspire fear. With Pluto trying to the ascendant, we inspire respect. A little bit different in how the two, uh, behave. But, um, Sun square to Pluto is definitely having that in the personality. Um, it doesn't surprise me that you're drawn to astrology with an aspect like that, because there's this obsession to find out who we are, to find out the problem, what is the root of the problem. Pluto's always the problem. And what is underneath the Pluto aspects to the Sun or to personal planets, especially the ego planets like Mars, the Sun, we tend to have this relentless drive to find out what's underneath. We keep digging. So, um, oftentimes people are drawn to psychology, therapies of all kinds, spirituality, astrology, because that gives us the potential to know ourselves and to find the cause, the root of the problem. So, yeah, they are definitely character-enriching aspects and prone to more, um, interpersonal problems with most, typically most typically, um, we're working through some paranoias, we're working through, um, issues of feeling more easily offended, um, or having our ruffles feathered, our our feathers ruffled a little bit easier than some of the people around us. And there can be a bit of a projection of, um, of, uh, unapproachability with the Sun in a square or on opposition to Pluto as well. So, yeah, there's, uh, working through the shadow side because we have the shadow side in constant conflict with the conscious side. So we can find that people are more exhausted when we have, physically exhausted when we have either the Sun or Mars in a hard aspect to Pluto. Mercury, we can be more mentally exhausted. Hold on bay with a Mercury in a hard aspect of Pluto. Moon, we can feel more depleted emotionally. Mentally exhausted with a hard aspect to Pluto because we only have so much energy within our body and a certain amount of attention. Psychic energy is always being devoted to Pluto. And so we can feel more that, you know, out of a hundred percent of energy, that maybe 20 or 30 percent is not actually available to us. We don't know where it is or where it's going, but it's always working under the surface, working under the surface, dedicating itself to this, uh, issue of fear or repression or keeping things from being known, because if they're known, we might have to price that into our personality, then we might have to change.

So, Bae, did you just have an insight? Yeah, yeah. That's very interesting. Um, does this really work like that? Okay. Well, I believe you. I think, um, yeah. So I had a question about, um, very little. I have Mars for Pluto, but as far as I know, there's something it's like kind of like stamina, right? So I know that I sometimes feel like a cockroach. You know? Well, there can be, there can be, um, because there's this constant fear of loss or fear of it. Mars is the game. We don't want to lose the game. We don't want to lose our life. We don't lose our vitality, our right to breathe. But the energy expenditure with the square is often in defense. Yeah. So there's a certain amount that's always going to be dedicated to that. Like a hedge, let's say. If we have a privet hedge, like this goddamn monster I have out in the front yard. Don't plant privet if you don't want to have to trim it four or five times a year. So I have to dedicate constantly a certain amount of my energy to trimming this hedge, to keeping this hedge. So that's what we're doing when we're hedging something against something. It's like you're dedicating a certain amount of energy per year, per day, or two minutes to pruning the privet hedge because we've got to keep it the way it is, or else thing, or it will start to grow out of control. Things will start to show up. We'll start to know things about ourselves. We'll start with, you always, oh, wow. So there's a maintenance. Yeah, yeah.

But how do you meet? How do you live? How do you mitigate? Well, we let it in. We allow ourselves to know what we don't want to know. We have to be willing to go down to the basement, because Pluto is our basement. It's where we shove everything in. We lock the door. There's only one light in there. And occasionally we need to go down and we need to see what's down there. And that means we need to ask ourselves, "What am I motivated by? What is my motive for doing this?" This is something I ask myself pretty consistently when it comes to most things that I do, because I want to be conscious of what it is that I want. Especially if I'm in a situation where, say, I know somebody needs something, and I'll have to extend myself, or I'll have to even go a little bit farther than maybe I would be willing to go in most instances. I would have to ask myself, "Why am I doing this? Why am I volunteering for this?" If the answer comes back, "Because you want them to think you're important and good and you're a good person," that is selfish. That tells me right there that my motive is off, and that it's for my ego, and that I need to dial that back and help or assist that person in a way that is actually helpful to them and makes sense to them, instead of flying in and proving myself as the most moral person in the room, which we can get into with the Pisces descendant. So now I tend to pour out my angelic caretaking on animals who really, really need me, and it's not inappropriate. And I haven't become the cat lady with 60 urinating cats. So I'm keeping it within control. So although the pony does come in the house, I will admit that when the husband is away, the pony will play.

Okay, guys, anything else before we wrap up tonight? That's enough internet for today. Okay, sounds good. All right. So we will be back, um, next Sunday in the morning, just looking at the time, next Sunday, 10 a.m. Pacific. And then we'll pick up synistry, um, again Sunday night at 6 p.m. Pacific. I'm trying to figure out what day to add another lesson, like Wednesdays or Thursdays or something like that. I opened up my schedule to do public, uh, teaching. So I have to figure out what days I'm going to be doing that on. And once I get that filled, then I'll announce an extra day so we can, because it is going to take months to get through this synistry course if we're just meeting once a week. So we'll see if we can speed it up a little bit.

Can I ask one more thing? Yep. If someone likes, say me, is more, I don't know, prone to conflicts with others, I guess, do you just, do I just let it happen and embrace that? Or? Well, we would want to know why. Why are we prone to conflict? What is the motive? Okay. That is a full throwback to the motive. Okay. Yes. What is, and, and when you're in those situations, uh, you would want to look at what are, what are the feelings that you're responding to? What? Because generally, it's feelings that we're running on in, in those highly conflicted, conflicting emotional situations. It's not a rational thing. We're generally not sitting back, you know, with a Uranian nature and observing it. We're more reacting to our feelings and to the other person's feeling right in the moment. Okay. No, what is it? Is it fear? Is it offense? Is an offense generally a cover for, um, uh, uh, for hurt or for, um, uh, you know, feeling misinterpreted or, and what's behind that? You know, do we really, really care that much what the other person thinks of us? So, yeah, what am I motivated by? That's the bit I wrote that down too, circled it. Notification. Ask yourself that in most situations, and you'll find out that there are some things that you don't really need to be doing. Well, okay. Because in my mind, I'm like, authority figures have a problem with me. It's not me, them, and they target me. We may want to look at that. Yeah. Let's see. What is the common denominator among all of those employees? Okay. It might be you. So with the square between Sun and Pluto, that is something that we generally struggle with. Absolutely. Um, and especially if we have a hard aspect to Saturn, that can also be a factor. So, um, yeah, because we, we feel like we're being rubbed out in some fashion. And what house is Pluto in in your chart, Stacy? The Sun is in the eighth. Fifth house. Pluto, eighth house. Interesting. So what is the fifth house ruled by? Libra or Venus? Make sure I'm getting that right. I wonder if we have, um, a house ruler in conflict. See, uh, yes, that's a good point, Jamie. I'm gonna pull up her comment here while you look for that. Oh, yeah. So, oh, actually, yeah, fifth house is ruled by Libra. And, um, yes, Capricorn, the eighth. So, so fifth is ruled by Libra. So we don't have an aspect from the fifth house ruler to Pluto, it sounds like. Okay. That's what I was wondering. Um, what houses does the Sun rule? And what houses? It's a minor. Absolutely. From Venus to Pluto, it's the, um, quadrant. Oh, it's a hard aspect. Yeah. Okay. So that's like a square that is occurring there. So we have, um, uh, conflict with the house that Pluto is in with the leader, the experiences of that house. So there's another layer to things that we have there. But generally, everybody who has their Sun and or Mars in a hard aspect of Pluto is not going to like to be told what to do. That's a rule of thumb. They do not want to be bossed around. And if you apply pressure, they automatically do not like you because they're going to interpret you as you are trying to extinguish my solar power, my life force. So there's more of an extreme reaction to those kinds of people. See, I don't have that. I don't have like something out of my chart. I don't have that interpretation myself that authority is difficult or they have a difficulty with me. They actually really like me. I actually have really good luck with authority figures. They find me very, uh, what they think I should be. So it's not a big deal, even though I'm pretty much, uh, my own person. But I must not be rubbing them the wrong way. And I just, I myself don't have that conflict within myself. I don't see them in a negative way. They don't see me in a negative way. But if you come from a background or situation where you have had people who have tried to bully you or extinguish your solar power and put pressure on you, that is your experience. That is going to be the expectation. And we need to look at that again from time to time and say, "Is this still true for me? Is it still true that people in authority positions don't like me or keeping me down?" Is, is that really true? And, um, sometimes we can see our way out of it. And, uh, then you can be somebody who yourself is somebody who keeps authority figures on their toes and who is, not who can get along and be gotten along with, but is not so apt to go with the flow. You'll be one of those people that say, if we have, uh, you know, say we all live in a cult, and, uh, you'll be one of the people when the cult leader says, "Okay, now we're all gonna, we're all gonna go jump off a cliff and angels are gonna save us." You'd be like, "Ah, yo, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're full of..." And then you get yourself into trouble. And that is exactly when that aspect would shine and all of its glory, because you wouldn't be able to allow somebody stupid to cause you to extinguish your life force, but without all these other lemmings jumping off the cliff. So, yeah, even our hard aspects, once in a while, even if it's completely unsolved, that hard aspect is gonna be exactly what we need. Okay, that's, that's that. Yeah, thank you. That makes sense. It makes me remember a time I was asked to leave a Bible study, but I was not trying to be difficult. There was never a point. No, no, no. That's what those instances. Yes, that's one of those instances where you're like, "No, I don't think so. You know, I need something better than that. I, you know, I need proof." We're asking for proof with Pluto as well, because we're inherently suspicious and laced with fear. We got, we want to see the proof in the pudding. And, but that's also how you approach other people, right? Let's talk about that for a second. That's generally the assumption when we have the hard aspects from Pluto to inner planets, that we want to be trustful in order to keep ourselves safe. But the thing is, is in healthy relationships, in in normal, psychologically balanced relationships, we're starting out with a certain measure of trust. We're not starting out with a certain measure of distrust. So what Plutonic people naturally do is they go into relationship and they say, "I will love you and commit to you and be vulnerable with you after you have proven yourself to me, after you've jumped through my Plutonic hoops, and I've tested you, and I've, you know, played some mind games and power games, and then I'll see that you're safe, then I'll be able to really open up and have that wonderful community that I really, really want." But that is a very unhealthy way to begin a relationship because we're essentially saying to the other person, "I do not trust you. And someday, if you prove to me that you are trustworthy, then I will trust you." So we're in a situation where we feel like we're starting out with a negative balance. In healthy relationships, what we're doing is we're saying, "Okay, I know I don't know everything about you, and I know that anything can happen, and I am going to trust you until I see otherwise. And then if you betray me, I will have to look at you differently. Maybe I can't be with you anymore. But I'm gonna trust you until I see I can't." That's when the other person is, we're starting out with a positive balance in the relationship, and that's normal and healthy. We'll start with a positive balance, and then it can either, what was that? That's scary. It's terrifying. Yeah, that doesn't even occur to me as a way of being. So we're starting out with a positive balance, and it could go up, it could go down. But that is how we tell somebody, "I, I think enough of you to to be with you." We have to start with trust. If we're starting out with non-trust, we're essentially telling them, "I don't think very much of you." And that is not, that is not good. It puts some situation where we feel like, who can have that classic Pluto behavior of, you know, accusing somebody or not trusting them or being jealous, and then eventually that person is like, "You know what? I might as well cheat because you think I'm cheating anyway. I'm damned if I do, I'm damned if I don't. I might as well go do it because I'm suffering the consequences of having done it anyway, even though I haven't done anything." So we feel like, why try? And so if that trust isn't there in the beginning, we run the risk of really, um, damaging the relationship right from the very beginning because we're essentially, um, we're being Pluto ourselves, where we're acting out that Pluto role and saying, "You prove to me." And oftentimes, there's nothing that people can do to prove. Sometimes we can, you know, sometimes you'll be with the Plutonic person and they'll open their vault like after a decade, and we've proved ourselves long enough, and the person's hang, and hung in there long enough. Usually, that's not the case, though. Pluto isn't just gonna, we're not gonna wake up one day and be different and say, "You know, now I can trust because I've seen enough evidence." Um, we need to be willing to extend ourselves in the beginning of the relationship if we're going to have the best chance of it working. So, and that is scary. Yeah. So it's actually all about vulnerability. Absolutely. And actually letting go, letting go that, that needs to be in charge, to dominate the community, to have it all known. See, humans don't like mystery above all else. We do not like mystery. We don't like unknowns. And that's why the human brain is designed to fill in the gaps with things that we already do know, meaning our past and our memories and our traumas. So we have to accept that relationships are a risk. There is no guarantee. That's the nature of them. Especially romantic relationships. There is no guarantee. Family can generally depend on each other because even if we hate each other, we're still family. But we have to go into it. And this reminds me of my brother, actually, who is a Moon conjunct Scorpio or Moon in conjunct Pluto in Scorpio. I remember I was giving him some advice on his wedding day, and he was saying, you know, "I just, I'm just so scared. I'm so scared. I mean, I, I, I just feel like I, I, I'm just afraid of all the things that could happen if I do this." And I said, "Well, the thing is, is there's no way that you can know everything that could or could not happen. And if you decide not to get married based on all the unknowns, then you're gonna be alone with all of your fears of the unknowns." There is no guarantee. But that's what makes it exhilarating. If there was a guarantee, I don't know that we would actually be terribly excited about the relationship itself. There's something about an adventure that is super attractive. That's so true. Yeah. If we knew it all, I don't even think we want to get out of bed in the morning. If I got, if I woke up and I knew everything that I was gonna do in my garden that day and had a picture of how it would look at the end of the day, I would feel like, well, that was already been done. Why? I already saw it. I already know. But I wake up every morning, and as soon as my eyes are open, I am out to my garden. It's dark out still, but my garden is lit, and it, I'm just drawn to it because I don't know what's going to happen that day. I don't know what flowers are gonna be open. I don't know if a slug has come and eaten my hard work during the night. But it's the curiosity that makes me work. Squirrels, goddamn squirrels. I had a bag of popcorn the other day that I left in my greenhouse overnight, and I thought, you know, I didn't think anything of it. I just left it there. So I come back the next day, and I reach in for a handful of popcorn, and I pull it out, and it's covered in squirrel poo. That is disgusting. And I'm so glad I looked at it before I ate it, because I might not be here today. Gotta get rid of those guys.

Okay, so Tanya, oh, she has some comments. She has, uh, something in common with guys. Um, what aspects or planets are associated with green fingers and garden love? Is a Virgo planet? I think the Virgo is the maintenance. That's probably the part of my personality that loves to keep house and do laundry and, you know, have things just right. And I think Jupiter is a big part of gardening because Jupiter's growing things. He's the growth of things. So, uh, Venus is a big part of it too. Uh, Venus, Jupiter aspects. I have the bi-quintile, actually. So I, I think that gardening, specifically the maintenance of it, yes, that's a Virgo thing. I think that the exhilaration of it, that's a Sagittarius, Jupiter thing. So, okay.

Guys, I think we have to leave it there for now. And, oh, hey, one more thing. Yeah, like a very small question, like about gardening. So what, so what is the best time, like, to prune the tree, like according to the moon? Like, is that better, like pruning should be done on the square? You could probably do it. You can do any of the activities at any time, and it isn't going to destroy your process. But we use the phases of the moon, number one, because it's practical. It's a practical way to plan our activities. And number two, because there's, uh, the, I say, the natural beginning. So when we plant things, and in the old days, and I have some old gardening journals that talk about this, in the old days, and this is not scientifically proven, it's, um, from people's experience, but we have to have farmers and gardeners that would swear that when they plant their seeds at the new moon, that they did better. That is interesting because a lot of seeds do like to germinate in darkness. It could be something there. We don't know exactly what the forces are. And then there's other seeds that need light, a certain amount of light to germinate, and that would be a lot of the above flowering plants that we would plant, um, up until the square, actually. So we do have a certain amount of light that's coming into things. But usually the root plants, plants that develop something below ground, they're going to germinate in darkness. So there's just a lot of experience for people over the course of centuries that led them to to see and believe that doing certain activities at certain phases was more productive. And it's just more in tune with what we naturally do at those phases of the moon anyway. So we would take cuttings, we'd prune trees at the moon's Sun-Moon square because that's when we're dissecting, we're cutting. [Music] And, um, yeah, plant at the new moon, prune and cut and, uh, weed at the square moon, and harvest at the full moon. And then prune again and weed again at the square moon because there's quite a lot of that that goes on.

Okay, guys, so I will see you again next weekend. Thank you. And you are, yeah, thanks for taking the extra time. Oh, you got it. You guys are fun. Yeah, yeah. Fast. When I figure out an extra day, I'll announce that. And we'll see you guys around. Bye, Tanya. Bye, Jamie. Bye, Belle. Bye, L.