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I was uh the 41st person in the world to do introvenous DMT for five hours. Five hours. Just for our audience to know that was you were about to do it when we sat here last. Yeah. Yeah. And so I I would love to have you share about that experience. But just for for reference, most DM other DMT they can be a long time in the dimensions you go into, but they're really just about 20 minutes a DMT experience. Yeah. I think the average is eight. Eight. Okay. So, you went in for 5 hours. Yeah. What could go wrong?
So, I mean, just for the record, I went in for neuroplasticity. Uh, I got the results of a brain scan and and like 38% of my brain is not even working. Um, to the point where I shouldn't really be able to function very well. And I and I'm fine. I'm better than I've been in my better than I was in my 20s now. And I I wanted the neurogenesis, which means like when when you're on a psychedelic, uh neurogenesis means that your brain is getting this boost of a chemical called BDNF, a brain derived neutrophic factor. And the BDNF helps new little babies, baby neurons get made, which are like 99% of them, 95% of them are in the hippocampus area that we know of. uh only um and it also enables this other thing called LTP, long-term potentiation, which means that your neurons can uh get a divorce when they need to, which is long-term depentiation, and they can get married to ones that they need to. So, like if you have a damaged area of your brain here, this uh uh what's called it's a neuroplasticity, but there's a subtype of neuroplasticity called synaptic plasticity. where the synapses can get a divorce and then like, hey, these guys used to talk to each other. We're going to wrap around this damaged area and we're going to we're going to form a new network around damage. Uh, so I was really trying to do that, but the journey itself, oh my god, 5 hours um of just being ripped out of this entire reality. Uh, it's kind of like you get a like you're pulled outside of the Truman Show and like you can see all of this and it and it's you it's a more real than reality is it's a thousand times more real than this than this ever can or could hope to be and it kind of ruins you in a little bit in a good way where when you come back you know like this looks like a cartoon oil painting when you come back from uh something on DMT.
Do you recall like any specifics like nuggets, moments you kind of share? Yeah. So the the first when it it was introvenous so I had I had it in my arm. I was laying down. These people held the space so beautifully well and they had a beautiful space for it and that first moment um cuz when you do DMT everyone goes to this place called the waiting room um which you're familiar with probably. I've heard of it actually. is the one of probably the only real psychedelic I haven't done. I've done five MEO but never DMT. Okay. It's heavy. I mean the way that Kevin described it, he was the guy who who facilitated our experience. He desri he had the best word to describe DMT that I've ever heard in my life. He just said DMT is big. It's big in a way that you cannot fathom, describe, comprehend, imagine, or even come close to understanding how big DMT is. And that is just the perfect word for me. And but the first thing I that happened right when I was in there, I buzzed right past the waiting room because the machine is an anesthesiology machine. So, it's basically like a big there's a giant fat syringe full of DMT and there's a machine that pumps it at a certain uh like milliliters per minute rate and like if you want to go up, you want like you want to launch, they could just turn the dial and it pump pump. It'll do a little boost and you're you're launched out. So, I obviously did that, right? Yeah. I spent like 3 milliseconds in the waiting room and I was up there in instantly and these beings and for 4,500 years we've all seen the same exact same beings up there. Every human without any exception sees the exact same entities on on DMT for 4,500 years, which is bizarre. Uh, but these things shoved me down onto this like stainless steel kind of medical table and from pelvis all the way up to my neck. Uh, like cut my body open with these massive shears. And it didn't hurt. Like there was no pain and I I wasn't scared at all. Like if it happened in this life Yeah. Uh it would be terrifying. But on the DMT space, everything's okay. Like it's full of love and non-judgment and all that stuff. Uh, and they're weird looking light beings that kind of look like they're aliens. Um, but I could hear them every single sound. I could hear my organs kind of sloshing as they pushed their hands. I could feel every single thing that they were doing to me. And it was it just imagine it's 10,000 more times more real than this. And and I was going through this and then this other
Can I ask you a question? So, are you are you here looking at them or are you also here looking at them and then also completely objectified where you're looking at it now? I was in my head. Okay. So, you're in the subjective. Yes. Okay. You're looking at this as we see things. Yes. Okay. Uh, so I'm kind of laid down on this table looking up and then this one holds my forehead down and sticks a like a drill bit like this long into my nose. It was freezing cold and it goes up into my nose and I could feel it going further and further and further all the way until it bumps the back of my skull and the drill bit is it doesn't go through my skull but it's pushing my head down onto the table where I can't pick my head up and it is ice cold and there's no pain. Uh but then I could feel like stuff moving inside of my head like something come come out of this drill bit. I don't know, stuff was going on and then all kinds of other [ __ ] happened for 5 hours that never stopped. Well, I took a pee break. So dur during the experience, like if you need a pee or something or if you want to come down a little bit, they can kind of just adjust your altitude right there on that little machine, which is unbelievable. But then I I'm done with the whole experience. I go back to the hotel and then I find out the night before we were at their house just to kind of I'm going to look at the space. I'm we're going to talk to them. They're the nicest people. They do this at their home in uh in Denver. And I didn't know this, but this guy, he's a genetic scientist. He's a genetic science research expert who makes the the medicine. But he took Michelle, my wife, into the kitchen and into the freezer and showed her this little Pelican box of vials so she could select the vials that I would use the next day. And they prayed over these vials. And right after I told her everything, she said, "The only prayer that I said was for them to immediately fix your heart and then your head." Because I have a I have a heart thing going on as well. and I have a brain disease. And she told the DMT to do that the night before. Wow. That was a question I was gonna ask. Wow. And then that was the first order of business that they that they had. They just went straight to it. Yeah. And and I didn't know. I never knew that she even went in the kitchen. Like I just thought they were out bullshitting somewhere in the house. Wow.
And um how have you been since? Yeah. What was it like? because because I know we were in touch right after that and it was like kind of putting the pieces back together was was kind of first order of business. Yeah. And it it started off with a depression. And I remember I'm laying there on this thing in this experience like, "All right, Chase, we're going to we're going to go ahead and bring you start bringing you down." And the unwillingness that I had to come back here was monumental. Like I I would just please kill me. Like I didn't say that, but I did say out I have a tape of the entire thing. I videoed it coming down. I did ask 39 times throughout that whole experience if I was dead. Like out loud, I'm like, "Am I dead?" 39 times. That's how deep it was. Like I didn't know if I still had a body or if I was dead. I had no clue. It was really deep. and coming down. It felt like there was absolutely zero way for me to return back to this life without developing some narcissism. Mhm. And that's that what that's what was really depressing to me that I had I had to go back and like develop a little just to survive just to live on this planet. uh you had to have some narcissism and it was I was crying so [ __ ] hard, man. And these God bless these people wiping my tears and snot coming out of my nose. Um but it was like I did not really want to come back. Um it it's kind of like if if randomly someone uh like you feel a weird thing on your head, you don't know what it is. There's nobody in the house. You feel this thing moving on your head and all of a sudden you're in another reality and someone just took off a VR helmet and this is where you've been the whole time. You're just inside of a little VR game and then like you go to like actual reality where there's just unlimited love and peace and abundance and they're like, "Okay, we got to put the helmet back on. You've got to go back inside the the video game." [ __ ] That's what it felt like, man. and just kind of integrating after five hours of that was really really tough for probably a couple weeks.
How uh two questions um five hours of our earth plane linear time was about how long in the DMT world if you have any sense of that. Yeah, it was six months. Five or six months is what it felt like. Did you have like a you had a whole life and little world happening up there? Yeah, but it wasn't like um it wasn't me. Yeah. per se. It was just kind of I was with other things happening and I could kind of observe things happening and uh talk to these creatures and stuff and these these entities. But it's like like we're we're these little infantile hairless monkeys like our our little species. It's so funny. And then we're like, "You know what? You know what I want to learn today? I'm going to learn the secrets of the universe." And and then you do DMT and they're like, "All right, motherfucker." And they show it all to you and you can't comprehend it. You can't understand it. You'll never be able to piece any of it together and try explaining one billionth of 1% of it to another human being. Good luck. But they still show it to you. It's like you're not bringing it back. You're not going to carry it with you back when you come back here. We are doing some experimentation with mixing high doses of Alzheimer's drugs with the DMT so that we can bring back much bigger chunks of data and and information there. and doc there's a guy named Andrew Gallamore uh and he's doing a whole lot of research with this be beautiful brain that this guy has um trying to map out not a physical map but trying to understand and like develop a knowledge of this hyperspace whatever the place is that we go uh on the DMT
How about the um how about the biological and and neurological surgery that they did or work on you um how how's your heart and your brain pain been since you had the procedures done. Zero problems with anything. Wow. Uh since then.