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[music] What's up humans, and welcome to a new sequo. Happy Monday, still, for a lot of people here. I want to give you guys a little update on Lu Allesando's response to Ross Gold Coldart. But today's video is not going to be just about that. We're going to, uh, just show you Lou's response. Let me know what you think about it in the comments.
But in today's episode, we're going to talk about Nathaniel Gillis, who is a friend of mine, and we've been talking a little bit in the background. I think I'm going to have him on the show, uh, pretty soon, I would say. But he was just on Danny Jones. And I do got to apologize publicly to Nat because, you know, when you talk to somebody who, uh, is known as a demonologist, and, and me, who I am not really religious, um, I think I make a mistake to conflate, uh, demonology with religion. Um, I don't think NAT necessarily thinks that they're combined in any way or something like that. I wanted to understand a little more of what Nat seems to think is going on. And in this interview with Danny Jones, he really laid it out for us.
And I got to say, this is very much, um, in tune with some of the elements that people like Patrick Harper, John Keel, Jacqu Valet, even Peter Levenda, to a certain extent, um, have been investigating. And Nat, and also Mr. Steve Mera, uh, they work together; they've been working on different types of hypotheses of what could be going on. And what Nat explains here is, I think, strangely similar to what Dr. Hakobo Greenberg was investigating in his day, which has to do with the use of brain activity to create stuff, to create things, to create situations, to attract stuff to you, and also to manifest. And I think that this is where Nat Gillis is currently at.
And something that I found really significant is how he speaks about the government's real secret is that they classified not aliens or beings, but the power of consciousness. And I do agree with him on that respect because I do think that perhaps the most classified stuff that the governments have kept for themselves, and I'm talking about not just the US with Stargate and Artichoke and MK Ultra, I'm also talking about the Chinese and the Russians. And the Russians apparently had, uh, an advantage when it comes to the Americans in terms of consciousness studies. And, um, all of that, that Nathaniel Gillis is going to talk to you guys about in this clip that I got from Danny Jones's podcast. And I just got to show it to you.
But first, if you guys saw last Sunday, Ross Coldart called out Louisando. So tonight, Chris Cuomo asked Lou for a response to what Ross is saying. And essentially Lou is, I think, denying and saying that, uh, Ross probably doesn't have the best sources on this. Just check out what he said to Cuomo here.
>> Well, look, I, I think Ross is an excellent investigative journalist. I personally, I, I like him. I think he's done tremendous work for disclosure and where we are today in the conversation. Um, I find it interesting that just weeks ago, uh, according to someone's social media, I had nothing to do with the UFO program or the Pentagon or ATIP, and now, uh, apparently I ran everything involving UFOs and, uh, and the legacy program. So, uh, I don't know exactly where Ross is getting his information. Um, I suspect he has sources. Um, really, that's not really my concern. I've always had a lot of respect for Ross. For me, any chance I get to talk about disclosure and transparency, look, I've dedicated the last 10 years of my life, uh, being forthcoming with the American people about, uh, the reality of, of UAP, UFOs. In fact, one only has to look at my resignation memo for the record that I wrote to, uh, Secretary Mattis, James Mattis at the time. Um, you know, I've, I've committed myself to transparency to the degree that I could. Um, it is true that I have
>> So, that's the space.
>> That's the space, Lou. Right. Um, because up to that point, I think Ross would agree with everything you just said until [clears throat] right here. But you were in the legacy program. You've never really talked about it. Is that because you can't? And if you can't, do you think it's fair of Ross to say, "Well, then you still should."
>> Yeah. Well, first of all, I didn't say I was part of the legacy program. And let me make this clear, too, Chris, and I'm sure you can appreciate this: when you work for the government and you have a security clearance, um, there's always these statements, you know, we cannot confirm or deny. And people always take that as some sort of implicit yes. But the reality is that's not at all what that means. Um, there are classified programs out there. Uh, and if someone were to ask me, "Lou, were you part of, um, I don't know, Project X with the M1 Abrams tank?" Even if I wasn't, if it's a classified program, I, I would have to say I can't, I can't discuss that. I, in fact, I can't even acknowledge that. And for those of you in your audience that have security clearances, they will relate to that tremendously. And so I think it's important a lot of times people infer things, uh, especially in the world of social media and where, you know, people like yourself, you might say something gets taken out of context, or I say something that's getting taken out of context, and all of a sudden, uh, it kind of grows legs, if you will, and, and starts to, to take on its own life. The truth of the fact is that I've always been very clear. I worked in a program called ATIP. Um, I have committed myself for the last 10 years of my life for truth and transparency to the American public, and at the same time, if it, me being on this program, we're talking about me, Lou Alzando, instead of disclosure, and I have an opportunity to use this in order to raise awareness about the reality that our government has been involved in this, this topic for decades, then that's a small price to pay. I'm willing to do that. And by the way, again, for the record, I, I think Ross is an excellent investigative journalist.
>> No, I get it. I get it. You're not trashing Ross.
>> I get it. And I consider you a friend, and I appreciate you clarifying it. Uh, and look, Ross can put meat on the bones of what it is he wants to talk to you about specifically, and you can do it right here if you both want.
>> Uh, what a way to dance around the question, I would say. But, okay. Uh, let me know what you guys think about this in the comment section down below.
Now, moving on to Nat, because I think this is the meat of this video, and one of the things that I've been sort of struggling with for a little while because, and, and, and I've told, uh, Nat about this. I come from a Mexican, uh, Catholic family, and I steered away from Catholicism and any organized religion early in my life, in my teens. I don't know if that was a mistake or not. To be honest with you, I am pretty disgusted by the way, uh, organized religion has affected the world throughout about 2,000 years or so, even further than that. And that will forever, for me, remain as probably the best reason to not, uh, root for any type of organized religion. I believe in people's spirituality and their right to believe in a higher power. Um, and I will never criticize that. I would, I would never criticize faith in people. But when it comes to these topics, and especially when it comes to interpretation of stuff that happened thousands of years ago, you'll have to excuse me if I sound skeptical about many of the things that are written. And when people talk about demons, I tend to conflate one and the two. And I think I may have made a mistake, especially with Nat here, and also with Mr. Steve Mera, because now that I hear Nat talking about this, I don't think he's talking about religion at all. He's talking about a phenomenon that plays with human perception, and they make us believe that they are things that they're not really, and they present themselves as certain things, and then they show you something entirely different.
And this brings me back to, and this is something that I found really interesting, when Jake Barber was in that Italian show where they asked him about, uh, the interaction he had while picking up the eight gun. He said, uh, something along the lines of, uh, "What I want is to serve it," as in this phenomenon that he had contact with. And that always worries me because, um, that admission from Jake Barber, it sort of gives me an idea that maybe he is enamored or enchanted by this phenomenon. And, man, uh, writers have been trying to tell people this about the phenomenon, that it does play with your perception and it can be manipulative at certain points. So, it worries me that, for example, people who talk about this lady, they don't really know what they're dealing with. And what Nat explains here kind of like makes a, a good case and point for this. So, let me show you here. And shout out to Nat Gillis. I'm, I'm gonna have you on the show very soon, I think. Let's set it up. Uh, and if you have any, u, notes on the way that I expose this and that I talk about this, please let me know. But here it is.
>> Getting into my research, necronetics, which is projected consciousness.
>> By the way, necronetics is something that he coined, and it's a study that he has been doing himself. It's, let me read it to you from the AI definition, and I'm sorry if I butcher this; Nat'll correct me if I'm wrong. Necronetics, uh, coined by Nathaniel Gillis, is a specialized field of study and theoretical framework pioneered by Nathaniel Gillis. It examines the sinister intersection of parasitic non-human intelligence, ancient demonology, genetics, and how preternatural entities operate through human biology, consciousness, and belief systems. Very interesting.
The core concepts of necronetics explore the overlap between physical genetics and the spiritual of, or supernatural parasitic replicators, ritualistic technology and history, and psychosocial liability. Those are the areas that are, are studied in necronetics. I just wanted to let you guys know about this, and the things that Nad did talk about. He discussed that the entities that he's been studying for many years now, I think it's over 10 years now, in necronetics, that they mimic cultural beliefs and evolve their appearance: cartoon, gray alien, whatever we expect. They project orbs, bofields that manifest as seemingly physical craft, beings, or sigils, sometimes under the skin, he says. And then they feed on fear, trauma, target children vulnerable for hybrid experiments and self-replication. And they also hijack perception and consciousness itself. And just let me show you what, uh, he spoke about here. So here's Nat:
>> Projected consciousness.
>> Yes.
>> Did you coin that term necronetics?
>> Yes. Okay. So in the 1970s, uh, the USSR were performing parasychological experiments.
>> Right.
>> And it's fascinating stuff, but one of their experiments, they took a blank piece of paper, placed it in an envelope, and taped the envelope to a person's head, a psychic medium head.
>> Mhm.
>> They said, "Okay, we have a series of symbols. We want you, by virtue of projected consciousness and intention, we want you to put these symbols into this envelope, into this paper." Weird as paper. It's, it was, it was declassified by the CIA in 2002. So it happened. This, this is [clears throat] crazy stuff. So then the next experiment they ran was they took that piece of paper, put it 20 ft away, go through the same mechanism. We want you to project your intention. By the way, this is oult science. Project your intention and your consciousness out of your body. We want to test its ability, your ability to change information into matter. So here's what happened: that, that it's another one of those data points that changed my trajectory, my research, is there was a difference, a contrast between the first and second experiments. The second experiment, they witnessed what's called a bofield manifest between the individual and the envelope.
>> What's a bofield?
>> A biofield. Think about a translucent electromagnetic field, a cloud.
>> Uhhuh.
>> That's visible to the naked eye. And it's slowly moving. By the way, this gets back into orbs. Inside that cloud, they, they were, they were visibly, they were watching this as these balls of light begin to manifest with that cloud. And it moved across the room, nestled down upon that envelope. Same end result. Now, here's the thing: one of Dr. Carla Turner's cases, and she's dead now, unfortunately, but she worked on this case study, and, and I've since worked on it with the family since she's gone.
>> Mhm.
>> But in this particular abduction, if you will, the mother is sleeping on the couch. The son, who I personally know, and his father, they're watching television. Out of the corner of the room, they see, and they, we didn't have a reference for this, right? We didn't know this was kind of an experiment. They see this translucent cloud of energy begin to move. It's hovering through the room. It goes over there, and it descends down upon the sleeping mother.
>> Now, [clears throat] 45 minutes later, she wakes up. She claims to have been abducted by a gray alien, but she was covered from head to toe with symbols.
>> With symbols.
>> Symbols. Yes. Now,
>> What kind of symbols?
>> We're leaning on Feeban. That's the best. That's the, that's the only symbol, the only symbols that we could find that look the same.
>> Theban?
>> Yes. Again, we're dealing with sorcery.
>> Okay.
>> That's a medieval alphabet, by the way, employed by
>> The medieval. Yeah.
>> So, my theory, one of my theories,
>> She had these things all over her.
>> Mhm. Now,
>> Can you find, can you look up the origin of this stuff on, uh, click on that link to tell me what it says about it? The alphabet, also known as the witches alphabet, is the writing system, specifically a substitution cipher of the Latin script, uh, that was used by early modern occultists and is popular in the Wikah movement. Okay. 16th century. The evidence suggests that some of what we're witnessing as orbs is projected consciousness.
>> Uhhuh.
>> And that would also make sense as to why it become, can become anthropomorphic.
>> It's a hand around the neck.
>> Or even with Chris Bledo, he was being stalked by somebody that had, he said, what did he say? He said, "I was in the forest and I heard the footfall of a man walking behind me."
>> Mhm.
>> And he turns around and it's just an orb. So, a lot of these orbs I believe to be projected consciousness. And I think the USSR and our federal government stumbled over that concept where you could project your consciousness into another environment, and that person will perceive your consciousness based upon how you intend them to.
>> Whoa.
>> Joe McMonagle, right? Show me Mono, a remote viewer, remote viewed himself into the jail cell of a terrorist. And what the terrorist observed as projected consciousness looked nothing like Joe McMonle.
>> It was an orb.
>> Yeah. It was a translucent being that floated off the, off the ground.
>> Holy [ __ ]! So we're deal
>> This is actually in, I think, Lando's imminent book, and, um, I think that partly, uh, the reason Hakobo Greenberg was probably disappeared was because he was studying this out in the open, and he was, uh, running scientific experiments on, on these phenomena, and, um, I think, and this is just an opinion, I think that they did not want him to do that in the open, and they tried to get him, uh, on their side to work for them by offering him money, and he refused, and I think that's when they decided to get him out of commission against his will, I would think, or, or coerced probably. But essentially, this is what Kakobo's like body of work is about. He wanted to understand how the shamanistic traditions managed to create different realities around them and perform things that were impossible, but they did it. And I think this is what Nathaniel Gillis is talking about here. Maybe I'm wrong. Uh, I already sent Nat, uh, the Hakobo Greenberg documentary because he hadn't seen it when I asked. And we're probably going to talk about it when we speak on my show on squat here. But yeah, that's, that's, uh, something that I wanted to mention dealing with. Is now what we're dealing with here is a, a technology of consciousness to where I could, you know, theoretically project my consciousness into your environment, either by virtue of that bofield, right? I could literally perform a ritual on you by virtue of my projected consciousness, and I could tell you I'm a gray alien, and you'll wake up thinking you're abducted, which is what this individual did. The mother, and the family's there, and they're like, "Mom, you didn't leave. You stayed here the whole time."
So what I believe, and this is my current position, is that a lot of what we're dealing with in the abduction phenomenon on is the end result of projected consciousness of conjurers. And this is exactly what General McCasslin led to in Pier Levinda, right? One of the theories being presented.
>> Mcastlin was talking about this?
>> Yeah, he, yes. So, he, okay, this is a whole breakdown. So he hubbed out of the Riot Pad Air Force Base.
>> For people listening, Cast's one of the scientists or top generals that just went missing in the last couple months.
>> He was, yeah, he was one of the advisers to the whole secret machines series, by the way.
>> He was talking to Tom Dong. Yeah.
>> So, shout out to Pir Lventa, by the way. Huge fan. Huge fan.
>> Yeah.
>> Um, but they were working with this concept, right? But their theory was that a ceremonial magician in another dimension, we're in the same framework here, by the way, right? A, a ceremonial magician in another dimension is projecting his conscious into this dimension, and we're perceiving it as a UFO or a UAP. So within that intellectual framework, by the way, and this is going to be, I'm, I know I'm going to get a lot of hate for this, uh, is that is Collins elite territory. Somebody didn't, somebody just tell us the other day that the Collins elite was fake or like that was all mess made up. Somebody
>> By the way, Mccas was completely against this concept of the Collins elite. He is secular, and he expressed it multiple times. So yeah, I just wanted to clarify that.
>> You just told me that. I don't remember who.
>> I'm not a big fan a lot of their, of a lot of their work, at least the Collins Elite, but something that they hit on that was fascinating to me.
>> And I want to provide some background to this. Mhm.
>> I grew up in that haunted house within the walking distance to Right Patter Air Force Base,
>> Which is the hub where McCasslin was, was out of, and where the Collins Elite and the Stack Five is right there. Yes. [clears throat]
>> This is going to blow your mind.
>> Now that my house, okay, so there's, there's Airway. People are going to watch this. They're going to, they're going to, yeah, it's gonna, it's going to track. There's the Airway Road, there's Woodman, there's Joe's Pizzeria, then there's Rip Pet Air Force Base. I lived in a house over here. I had family members that worked at Ripat. One of them still does. Okay. One of them told me as a kid that they witnessed a craft hovering above the Riot Pad Air Force Base. And I said, "Really?" I was like, "Is it like a, you know, UFO? Was it metallic?" They said, "No, it was a projection of something." And, and I said, "Well, how do you know?" They said because we could actually see as it just kind of retracted back into the, uh, what was a building at the right pedal space. Anyways, she said, my aunt Angela, she said it looked like some kind of projection, not a real structured craft.
>> Let's go to James Latsky's work. Okay. In his book Future Visions, he talks about the difference between solid looking craft and metallic objects. In other words, he's, he's implying that one can look solid, right? It's a physiological construct just like an apparition, but it's not a real craft. So, okay, essentially what I think is happening here, and just a couple of things that I want to go through, uh, because they could well be, uh, projections. Yeah. But there's a lot of people who went through abduction experiences, and some of them, uh, even report implants, and there are really strange cases of women who seem to have, uh, traces of being pregnant at some point, but they didn't have even a fetus there. But there were traces of them being pregnant, which implies that probably they took their fetuses, which is [ __ ] weird, I know. But there are reports of that. So there are people who do report on very physical things happening to them. So I want to know what, what's the explanation to that? To inst, I got to respect what Nathaniel believes here and what he's been investigating here. But, um, and I'm sure he would agree with this: if that is real and it is happening, I don't think it's the only thing that's happening. And I also think that there were areas of, uh, the government and of science that were classified. We have Mark and Dre on record saying that they did classify areas of physics back in the 70s. So, this is where we get to this other small clip from Nathaniel where he discusses what he thinks is going on with consciousness in the government. Here it is.
>> What you were saying about, was it Joe McMongle projecting his consciousness into a cell of a terrorist?
>> And the terrorist saw something in his cell.
>> Yeah, I think it was him and Louisando, I believe. Yeah.
>> That's freaking crazy. Do you think that this is happening
>> A lot with like different government programs where they're actually doing this? Like maybe these orbs Chris Bledsoe is seeing is something like the government could possibly be doing.
>> Yeah. 100%. Absolutely. And [sighs and gasps] so I think that that is the case: that our government knows what they're doing, and that even with a monogle, that's not a one-off case. That, that, okay, we have cases. I have a case study, uh, it's from Claude Ludo's book, where is, again, we're in the 16th century, I believe, where a sorcerer is projecting his consciousness as an alter ego, and whatever he's projecting is being perceived by someone in that environment as, yeah, in this case it was literally something that didn't look like him at all, but he was experiencing whatever that alter ego was experiencing.
>> So again, I, I would hate to beat horse here, but it does sound like our government discovered, I want to say a cult science, but it's like they, they discovered an aspect of consciousness that they're classifying.
>> Mhm.
>> But that cases like that are all throughout history. And what's so fascinating, when I because I have that background again in that, that folklore and that, that research, when I heard, and at least I read that occurring, it blew my mind because I'm like, well, if you could render yourself in another location as an angel by projected consciousness, what else can you render yourself as? Right. It's a whole another, it's a whole another field. Wow. Yeah. And the like, one of the things that just blows my mind about Bledso's story is how all these CIA people are like gravitating towards him, and all these government officials and NASA people like surrounding them, like
>> Be befriending him, and then even that spooky, um, Tim Taylor dude like befriending him and telling him all this insane stuff, and like
>> Giving him the briefcase holding the medals, and like having this like, that seems like some sort of like circus act to me.
>> [snorts]
>> It very well could be
>> Like, like, not that I'm not saying Bledsoe is making it up. What I'm saying is that I feel like it's that dude or those people intentionally trying to confuse him or make him believe a, a false narrative about something, but I don't know anything.
>> No, I, I think that that does play a role in it. I also tend to sympathize with Richard Banderick's position where it wasn't just that the meta materials they held in their hands, you know, they would dissolve into dust. It was if that was not designed for you.
>> Oh, okay.
>> Right. Then it will return to the, to dust, and it'll blend in with its reality. Why? Because if you aren't the one the phenomenon gifted this to and for, it'll dissolve. But if you are, it will allow you specifically to, to reverse engineer it, essentially,
>> Right?
>> So that if you take that again, specifically what he said about holding in your hand, it would appear to me as if there are two things going on. And
>> I do like to explore other ideas of what we could be dealing with. And this had been one that I've been, uh, trying to understand a little better. I know that Nat and, uh, Steve Mera spoke to, for example, um, Ronnie Bernet, the Brazilian researcher who has a very different, uh, interpretation of the Virginia case. He thinks that the, these beings were summoned through rituals, which is pretty wild, I know, and, and that's what they claim, and this goes in line with what, uh, the area of study that Nathaniel Gillis is, is on. And well, uh, I just want to hear what you got to say about this. Uh, I know that probably you won't, many of you won't agree with that, but I do find a lot of what he researches very interesting, and also Steve Mera. Um, they speak about a lot of sort of 410 ideas of the phenomenon, which I'm a big fan of. I really like John Keel. I really like Jac Valet. I really like Patrick Harper, and, um, other people who have been exploring this as a perception kind of thing and multi-dimensional kind of thing, and, you know, let, let's explore it. It's, it's an interesting concept. I'm not sure if that's the truth.
I appreciate people who, uh, dare to explore other ideas, but I don't appreciate people who think that they know that's the only thing that's going on and they know exactly what's going on and that's the only truth. That's what I don't rock with. And I mistakenly thought that Nat probably was on this train, and he's not. He just, um, trying to explain what he's studying but remains open to other possibilities, like edge science and other things. Uh, but let me know what you guys think about this one in the comment section down below. And I can't wait to have Nat on the show at some point. Let's make it happen soon. Let me know what you think.
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