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He features a lengthy interview with Oscar-winning actress Charlize Theron, entitled "I Don't Need a Man." And in it, Miss Theron explains how she reacts to people criticizing her for being a single mom.
"I like want to like look at them and just be like, do you know how [ __ ] great it is to live exactly how I want to live? To experience motherhood exactly how I wanted to experience it?"
"And I know the next thing they say is like, 'Well, that's not fair on your kids.' Can I tell you something? That will be their story to tell. I can't tell you. Did you care about how your kids wanted to experience life, or were you just being selfish? Who's your daughter gonna take to the daddy-daughter dance? What you going to do about that situation? Who your son going to play catch with when he go when he want to throw the baseball around, throw the football around? What you what you going to do about that situation? It's crazy. I can only tell you that this is the best way that I know how to be a mother to them, and maybe they'll grow up and tell their story, and I will respect that. Selfish."
Well, she also wanted audiences to know how liberating it is for her children not to have a father. "I love that I don't have to run every [ __ ] thing by a guy. I don't I love that I don't have to. Well, oh my god, co-like I [ __ ] love that I don't have to do any of. What are we talking about? Are we taking relationship advice from somebody who has a transgender kid? My children, you know, we joke. Listen, I think you can tell, like, this is how I raise my kids. Like, right? We don't hide this [ __ ]."
But don't worry, while Charlize doesn't think a husband or father is important in life, she hasn't given up on men altogether. "I found this freedom in my 40s where I'm like, 'Oh my god.' So, I just want to say this in perspective. I've probably had three one-night stands in my entire life. Okay. But I did just recently [ __ ] a 26-year-old, and it was really [ __ ] amazing. [ __ ] Yeah. Yes. And I've never done that, and I was like, 'Oh, this is great.'"
"Why is this their whole personality? Like, you get on these female podcasts, and this is all they talk about, just sexual escapades. Why did this, why does this become your personality? Why do we have to start whispering when we're about to talk about our journey and our sexual experiences? Tell us about the kids. She was in Hollywood, right? Tell us about the kids. Tell us about the Diddy parties. Tell us about all the drugs y'all was doing. You got all this interesting stuff you could be telling the world. And this is why people don't respect Hollywood anymore. They get on these podcasts and they only talk about the stuff that's just going to ruin their reputation in the public eye. And this is why the mystique of Hollywood has disappeared. All of these washed-up people are trying to get on podcasts to stay relevant. And every single time, they're destroying their reputation. If you want us excited to hear you, stop whispering and tell us who was messing with the kids."
"Let me just say that 26-year-old is the luckiest [ __ ] man walking on this goddamn planet. He's walking different today knowing. Oh my god. He for sure is not. But thank you. No, he is. He's crazy."
Well, the episode's been viewed by nearly a million people so far. Reaction has been divided between those who celebrate Charlize as "quote a powerful badass epitome of a strong woman fighting against the evil patriarchy" and others who, in equally strident language, view the whole episode as yet another example of modern feminist media denigrating the role of men at every given opportunity. All of which makes it a good starting point for a lively debate. Joining me for this battle of the sexes, host of the Crucible podcast, Andrew Wilson. Imagine was visibly shuddering as he listened to those clips. Not one step back, Andrew. Let's go, baby. Uh, Jediah Ber, who's the host of the Jediah Ber Show, commentator and author of "The Case for Cancel Culture," Ernest Owens, and the editor of the User Mag newsletter, Taylor Loren. Well, welcome to all of you. And Jediah, welcome to your special. So, gay black dude and woman with no kids. That's the opposing representation. You're making your uncensored debut. We always like debutantes. I'm always a. Thank you very much, Pierce. Always astonished when people come back for more. Uh, but thank God they do. And thank God Andrew Wilson does. Andrew, your thoughts on Charlize Theron? She doesn't need a man. She likes banging 26-year-olds when she feels like it. You don't need fathers in life. You just need a strong, badass woman.
"Well, you know, it's really funny. Um, the reason nobody cares really very much when, uh, a 40-year-old attractive woman has sex with some random young man is because it's not impressive, right? It's impressive when men can bang young women because most men can't bang young women, but most older women can bang young men. So, it's just not an impressive accomplishment. Of course, these are the same women who will screech because, uh, you know, Leonardo DiCaprio decides that he wants to change up, uh, you know, at 25 years old, any of the, uh, broads he has hanging around. But this is not an impressive accomplishment. And all a woman needs to do to get laid is go somewhere where there's men and offer it up. She just hit that 40-year mark, and she just wanted some validation to still feel pretty because she knows that she's aging and it's inevitable that her vanity is going to be stripped from her. She just wanted to feel seen and validated. And to do that, she rode the bologna pony of a 26-year-old. By the way, that is a sad life. Nobody wants to be the old drunk lady at the end of the bar. She's spitting while she's talking, trying to hit on the young dudes. Nobody wants. And you definitely don't want to be the old guy at the bar. I guess at 26, though, it matters a lot less than when you were college age, but you still don't want to be that guy. Not the case for men. So, it's an unimpressive accomplishment on its face. Uh, as to the rest of what she's saying, this is just normal tripe, right? Her kids are the ones who are going to get punished. Uh, they're always the ones who get punished. We can look at the data for outcomes on children who are raised in single-mother homes. It's not good. It's not good for their mental health. It's not. And by the way, the rates of abuse from having strange men around, right, skyrocket. Terrible idea. And it's exactly the wrong kind of propaganda to be pushing."
"All right, Taylor Loren. Um, isn't it just a factual reality of life that women are predominantly happier with a man by their side, and children are predominantly better off in life with a present father?"
"I think, listen, children are better off in life when they have a loving household. And not all of those households have fathers. I mean, there are lesbian parents, there are, uh, you know, different types of arrangements. Um, I think it's important for kids. So, are we going to listen to appropriate parenting from a single woman that doesn't have kids and a gay man? Is that what we about to do? And, you know, I think it's really important to expose kids to all different types of figures, but that doesn't have to be, you know, that doesn't have to be like a man, a cisgender man that's standing around all the time. There's plenty of terrible fathers out there, too. So, um, yeah, I think it's great that that the child is growing up in a loving household and, uh, hopefully, you know, she'll expose the child to lots of different types of."
"But can you acknowledge that we have now been studying this phenomenon of single motherhood for years and years and years, and that the outcomes for children of single mothers tend to be terrible in comparison to the outcomes of children without them? Can you just acknowledge that that is true? Acknowledge it."
"So, I think what you're talking about are. I'm asking a question. Don't run from the question. Yes or no? Can you. I want you to acknowledge with a yes or no. Then a qualifier. Yes or no? Isn't it true? Hold it to the fire. Comes for children. Hold it to the fire. When they're raised by single mothers tend to be worse than those with a mother and a father in the house. Yes or no? Then give me your answer."
"So, I'd love to respond if you stop talking over me. Um, anyway, most most single mothers are not with millions and millions and millions of dollars. So when you look at studies, um, like that, a lot of it has to do with the economic opportunities that a lot of single mothers have. Um, you know, women make less than men, uh, as a whole. They're subject to more sexism and discrimination. So it can often be more challenging for them to raise."
"So the answer is yes. No, the answer is. It's Charlie. It sounds like you just said that the answer is yes. The answer, according to you, just now, is yes. No. Any. And then you just make excuses for it. You're like, 'Yes, Taylor, this is right now.' This is so weird. What? I. You're like shouting at me. I. Oh, I'm just a girl that needs to be protected. Women are these big, strong bosses, but I'm just a girl. Don't shout at me."
"Now, I'm going to tone police you because I don't want to answer the question. He's attacking me. S, come rescue me. She's just trying to tone police and switch the conversation because she don't want to answer the question. Hold on. I got to put on the glasses for. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Daughters of single parents without a father involved. So single mothers are 53% more likely to marry as teenagers. 711% more likely to have children as teenagers. To not have a father in the house is damn near child abuse. 164% more likely to have a premarital birth. And 92% more likely to get divorced themselves. 90% of homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes. 80% of all rapists motivated with displaced anger come from fatherless homes. 71% of pregnant teenagers lack a father. 63% of young people fatally harming themselves are from fatherless homes. 85% of children who exhibit behavior disorders come from fatherless homes. 90% of adolescent repeat arsonists live with only their mother. 71% of high school dropouts. 75% of adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers. 70% of juveniles in state-operated institutions have no father. Come on now. So women will complain about these circumstances in society, but then they'll cheer for the main thing that contributes to it. And the fact that the state aids in it is even worse."
"Time out. Let's bring in Jediah. Taylor, this is not rocket science. First of all, you lost me, sis. Male. You you just need a guy. Just a man, right? We don't need all these terms, these nonsensical, ridiculous terms that, you know, modern leftists have come up with. It's just a man. Children do better when there is a mom and there is a dad. And the reason is that men and women are completely different. They bring very different things to the table. And children need the role model of a mom and a dad, not just people around. Sure, you can have aunts, you can have uncles, you can have friends, but we're talking about the two individuals that are raising children. And let me just ask you this question. Wait, I'm not done yet. You you you complained that Andrew interrupted you, and now you just interrupted me. I'm not done yet. Is there. You're right. She is rich. She has a ton of money. But what example do you think she's sending to young women everywhere that this is somehow empowering, that you should strive, by the way, you should strive to be the single mom because you don't have to deal with a guy. You don't have to answer to a man. Oh, isn't that so wonderful? And guess who will pay the price? My kid. She even says, 'My kids can tell their story.' How unbelievably selfish of her to say, 'My children will one day get to tell a story that they had no father because I decided that I just wanted to do this myself. Me, myself, and my money.' Is that the message I wanted to go home? They shouldn't be able to raise children. You need a. You need a man. What about women? You're not talking about Taylor. No one said what she's talking about."
"Well, I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what I find strange. What I find strange is I know Charlize a bit. When she was dating Sean Penn, I thought she was very nice, but she was always very elegant. If you interviewed her, her whole thing was high-end, elegant, you know, all the highest-end advertising and so on. And then you see her there in this podcast, and she's like effing and blinding, talking about banging 26-year-olds. Very, very different, Ernest, to the Charlize Theron I thought I knew. Uh, I'm not saying it's good, bad, or whatever, but I do wonder if it was a male movie star sitting on a sofa brazenly boasting about banging 26-year-olds. How old is Charlize? Charlie's 50. If a 50-year-old male star was talking, boasting about banging 26-year-old girls, right? And he was boasting about not needing a woman in his life, not needing a mother, all these kind of things. But in reverse, I don't think you'd be approving of this, Ernest."
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"I mean, for starters, I'm all for it if it's about consent and respect. They do it all the time. A lot of older men do it all the time on media, on social media, in interviews. It's not actually uncommon thing. I think the reason why there's a lot of actual shock and and awe over Charlize Theron is because a lot of women actually her age don't feel the liberty to do that on, um, a public-facing platform. And so that's why we're talking about her. We don't talk about men who do it often on here because it's so norm. I mean, if you look at who's in politics currently right now, they were doing it their entire career before they got to the White House. I don't care as long as the people are legal. I don't care. Y'all want to do freak offs and freak parties and suck offs and whatever y'all want to do. I don't care. I don't think it's right. I wouldn't advise it. I don't care. It's not that much of a shock. You know, there's a guy who got elected president, and you screamed bloody murder about it, and got elected. And so, and you screamed bloody murder about it. What are you talking about?"
"Hey, hang on. Hang on. You liberals said that that was the most horrible thing. He was a terrible role model. How could he? And here Charlize there it is saying, saying this, and you're like, 'Ah, she's your power boss babe.' Andrew, come on. Dude, you're see if I talk over here to tell me to be quiet, and we're done talking, dude. We're done talking. Come on."
"I wasn't done talking, actually. Can I? Can I ask you? Oh, man. You can you can notice you. Okay. Thanks. So, um, what I was getting at is that there is a double standard. Um, and I I think honestly, like I said before, I don't know what liberal he's talking about, but I was not a liberal that said that Trump talking about grabb was the worst thing he ever said because there's a lot of other things he has said that I believe is far worse and actually should cause more attention. But that being said, I I just feel like the only reason why we're talking about it is because women like Charlize often don't, um, do this on a normal. So it feels abnormal, and that's why we're discussing it. Okay."
"Why do these libs, these libs talk out of both sides of their mouth? I mean, look at it. She refused to acknowledge the outcomes for single moms. Payments immediately. Hang on. Immediately. Hang on. Hang on. Immediately. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Look, I'm sorry. If you have progressive talking points, if it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, a duck, I call it a duck. So the thing is, right, the libs, the libs on the panel very clearly, right? She evades the the answer, refuses to give us the answer of outcomes for single, uh, for children, single moms, or worse, refuses, gives us a bunch of qualifiers proving that they are. Still refuses to do it. He says, 'Well, this is so commonplace for men. Look at the sexual deviant that we have in the White House.' And says, 'But I'm not throwing a fit about that. I'm not throwing a fit about that, though.' Yeah, they did throw a fit about it. Effective discussion is just over. Everyone like he's very. It's an ineffective discussion. I would like you, you know, I would just like you to actually answer the questions I asked you. Why can't you people said I. I have a question more. I guess you said there was. Hold on a second, guys. Ernest, you said there was a double standard. What? What are you? In your view, where is the double standard?"
"I I I because I see a double standard here, but I think we see a different double standard. You know what I would love? I would love for the whole show, they just sit there and actually try to get one of these people to answer the question. I don't care if Andrew Wilson and Pierce say, 'We're not going to continue the show until you answer the question yes or no.' You gave all of the pre-qualifiers that says that you already know that the answer is yes. The father needs to be in the house, but you just refuse to say it because you want to keep some type of vagueness to preserve your image. I don't even think the conversation should go forward unless they're willing to say yes or no to that question. Right."
"There is a lot of reaction because of what Charlize Theron said. I'm saying that I understand where that that is coming from because we don't often see women like Charlize Theron on these platforms talking about their sexuality in this celebrating."
"Ernest, that's not true. But that's literally all they do. Call Her Daddy is just a bunch of women talking about their sexual escapades, and it's like the biggest female podcast on the planet. And it might be the second biggest behind Joe Rogan, if I'm correct. I'm not sure. I might be wrong about that. But at least Joe Rogan talks about aliens, gorillas, and guns. They don't be talking about nothing. As soon as I see somebody got their legs crossed in the seat, I know nothing productive is going to be said. That whole conversation, three hours of just whispering and m and yeah. Difference every time a man, every time, hold on a second. Every time a man says a guy can't even say that he prefers younger women. He can't even say, 'Well, you know what? I prefer younger women because their fertility is better, because they're in their peak attractiveness, because I want to have a bunch of kids, and it gives me more time without getting a lot of.' Let's be clear. Let's be clear. Hang on. Hang on. Let's be clear. If Brad Pitt came out with an interview tomorrow on Uncensored, and I hope he does, if you're watching, Brad, uh, my show is always available to you. But if he was, and he said, 'Do you know what? Just last week, I had the most unbelievable sex with a hot 26-year-old.' Right? Do you think the reaction, Ernest, would have been widespread applause for this guy, or would it have been, 'You dirty old man?' No, I'm not saying that. I feel that about Charlize. I'm just saying that's the double standard. Right? Leo DiCaprio gets mocked at every award show because he dates women half his age. Now, now he's Charlize, everyone's like, 'Oh, this is amazing.' I can give you an example. I can give you an example where that backfired. So, so let me be very clear. So, let me let me give you a good example of this, actually. Um, first of all, it's if it's a pattern, right? Charlize is not doing this on the regular. That's why this is a big news story. She's been mostly in long-term relationships. She does not have a habit of doing this. Leonardo Leonardo DiCaprio's entire romantic, a lot of his romantic history has been this pattern, which has become a running joke. The first couple years he did it, no one cared. But she's not Leonardo DiCaprio. She's not Leo. I don't care what nobody's saying. You can have an opinion on if what he does is right or wrong. She's no Leo. It's been decades like over like that's not why it's that's not why it's a news story. Respect your opinion. First of all, first of all, both of those things have been covered in the news. But the reason what Pierce is getting at, I think, I don't want to put words in his mouth. This is being celebrated. Do you understand the difference? Fe modern feminism has made it so that we now celebrate that Charlize. And by the way, I don't give a lick. Honestly, it's consensual. I don't care if she sleeps with a 26-year-old. By the way, there are a lot of 26-year-old men who will be absolutely thrilled that she's on the cougar. That's correct. I mean, I don't care either. We can agree there. But I I'm smart enough to acknowledge that she is being celebrated for that action, whereas a Leonardo DiCaprio or the average guy, for that matter, just saying, 'Hey, I prefer a 22-year-old to a 32-year-old,' will get destroyed in every."
"You know what? We need to stop this conversation because you can't. You're not comparing her to Leo. That's Great Gatsby. You're not comparing her to the Wolf of Wall Street. You're not comparing her to Jack. The man died on the Titanic. Like, don't don't don't compare her to Jack."
"I actually have no problem with what she said about a 26-year-old. That's entirely down to her. She's a single woman. She can have sex with whoever she likes if it's consenting an adult. I do I do though have a problem with, and Andrew was, I think, right about this. In a way, what she's saying is all your quaint ideas about you need a bloke around, you need a father, you need a husband. That's all [ __ ]. Look at me. I'm proof. It's all great. I don't believe women when they say that. I don't believe men when they say the same thing, you know. I just think that actually the ideal is that you have a man and woman around kids, and they bring them up together. And and if that isn't possible and it doesn't work out, okay, you make it work. She's saying two women, but I'm just going to tell you right now, my presence as a father makes a difference. My presence as an uncle makes a difference. When I talk because of the depth of my voice and my size when I walk in the room, the kids act different. They behave different. The little boys, they start standing at attention. It's like built inside of them. They treat women different. Kids treat women different. When the man walks in, the kids start behaving a little bit better. The It's like the discipline is even just in your presence. Just being there is enough. And I it's like it's an eight. You can see it. So, um, you talk about a lesbian couple. I don't know about the information on that. I don't know if there is enough information on that. I'm just saying a man's presence is definitely felt in the house by kids. And when you're trying to discipline, especially boys, I think it's important for young boys to have that presence. And I think a lot of those issues and statistics that I just read off about boys going to jail because they're raised by single mothers, I think it comes from a lack of respect for authority."
"Pretend this is actually utopia, uh, and this is the best possible thing for your kids. I don't think that's true. Um, and I say that as a divorcee myself. I don't think this is ever actually the ideal, but you make it work as best you can. Um, I want to switch gears to something which really did annoy me. Lily Allen, the pop star, former pop star, let's be accurate. Talking about abortion. Abortions. I've had a few, right? But then again, I can't remember exactly how many. Not really. Yeah. Why didn't this come up in last week's episode where we were just talking about abortions? Cuz I was just letting you you run with it. Reveal everything. I can't remember. Yeah, I think maybe like I want to say five. Four or five. Yeah, I've heard about five, too."
"Lily, I've never. I'm so happy I can. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. They need to be put in a cage. Like I'm not even like they need to be caged. People will call men deadbeats all day. What do you call this? Every day we stray further from God's grace. And the more ladies talk about having their own agency, all I'm seeing is like the worship and the praise of bad results for kids. Whether that be in the womb or outside of the womb, I don't know what that is. It seems unhuman, and it just don't feel right. I'm dead serious. They should be locked up. And what makes it even worse is just the lack of remorse. You can say it, and no one came to shoot us down. No judgment. No judgment. We've had about the same amount of abortions."
"You know what, Taylor? I I'm not going to judge them in the way they think I'm going to judge them. I'm not going to judge them for having abortions. I I will. They aborted a whole starting lineup. Are you kidding me? Believe in a woman's right to choose what she does with her body. It's a very. It's a very. I know. And we'll come to Andrew's position on that. I think we we know what it is, and I I'll get your view. But the point is, Taylor, I'm not I'm not against abortion. I am against women that talk about it so glibly. I am against two women sitting there just brazenly talking in a very kind of slightly boastful way. We've had 10 abortions between us, and Lily can't even remember how many abortions she's had. I don't like that aspect to what was going on there. I think it's distasteful. I think it trivializes abortion. Abortion, you know, whether you agree with it or not, you should always treat it, I think, as a serious thing which should be taken seriously and and dealt with seriously. That to me was trivializing it. Your thoughts?"
"Yeah, I think that, um, you know, I hear you, Pierce, and I take your point. I think that most women have struggled with access to abortion, especially now here in America. I think the idea of having abortion is overwhelmingly a good thing. Well, we shouldn't normalize the idea of having five abortions with two women there basically making out, 'Oh, thank God we can talk about this now.' Like, this is normal. That's not normal to have five abortions. It should be normal to have easy access to abortion. It should be. I don't dispute that. But that's a different that's a political and a social matter for the women. But it's the way you talk about it. I think is so dishonest, bro. So dishonest. And this is why you can't have conversations with these people. And this is why they're so deluded. They're in an echo chamber where nobody's let in because they look like fools anytime they have to defend this logic. It's a really hot potato issue. I could imagine every. I'll come to Andrew for his what I think will be his response. Um, I could imagine it. He'll be very angry because he doesn't agree with abortion to start with, to then see women, high-profile women like this famous women, just talking about it in such a glib manner."
"They want to restrict because they want to restrict women's rights and they want to restrict women's access to healthcare. This is this is essential. Abortion is essential healthcare, what you're saying, but it is healthcare. Yeah, saves women's lives in many cases to have an abortion, and it's really hard for women to get access, and they feel a lot of shame around it because of the social stigma. Taylor, does it sound to you like those women feel a lot of shame around abortion? Is that is that what it sounds like?"
"The point is, is that many women are taught, and it sounds like you guys on this very panel want women to feel shame about it, and in fact, they should not. Should she be proud of it? Is the point I. Let me. No, you will. You should feel shame about it. You feel you should feel shame. It's it's there's a reason we feel shame. It's so that you don't do something again. There's a reason there's something called shame. And there's a reason I think you feel more guilt. I think it's an internal feeling. Shame is external. Guilt is internal. I think a lot of these people are dealing with guilt. And so they always trying to look around for somebody that's shaming them. And nobody shames them. If you kept that to yourself, nobody would even know. But they feel like they got to go out of their way to talk about it because even if they know if they get caught, they're going to go to jail for life. People who murder people always spill the beans to at least one person because they feel guilt. I think that she should feel shame and guilt. But I do think there is a way to salvation and to feel good about yourself again. And I think that is to understand you made a mistake and dedicate your life to preventing other people from doing it. Who wants to be proud of something that you shouldn't be proud of? That's stupid."
"I mean, Andrew, I know your position on abortion, but notwithstanding that, it doesn't really concern me really whether people are for or against it. It's the way they're talking about it. I find. So let's let's leave the argument about whether they. Yeah, I understand. But it's totally self-centered and selfish. And look, she says, 'I'm not a lib. Women need to have more abortions.' The thing is, so all right, I have more access to abortions. Lives are her teeth. Uh, it's a healthcare procedure. Most women's lives when they have abortions has nothing to do with the life of them at all, their physical health at all. Total lies from the left. On top of that, let's just point out that what they're really doing there is they're sitting there going, 'I just like totally murdered five of my kids.' The other one's like, 'Yeah, me too. Isn't that great, sweetheart?' The other one's like, 'Yeah, totally. That's it's so awesome that we could just kill our children. Isn't that great?' And so, okay, normal people, we we normal people, you're she's calling him a misogynist because he's pointing out the fact that you shouldn't be proud of getting rid of your kids. The fact of the matter is is it just shows a complete and total lack of caring for humanity, lack of caring for children. This is supposed to be the more empathetic sex. And yet, when they have power over vulnerable life, they kill it. Really? You're going to convince me that's the more empathetic, more vulnerable sex? Give me a break."
"I just have fun. Little this only fans is not prostitution. Yeah. I I think for me, it's just two things, right? I think that we can some people feel like the way in which she went about discussing it was tasteless. I I think that for people listening to it, I did I think that there's a better, in my personal taste, right? I think there could have been a better way she could have said it, but that's just my personal preference, and I think that's just how she is with a lot of things. Lily Allen, I don't agree with a lot of things that Lily Allen says or how she says it personally. I think that's the real thing here. However, what I think is important is is that everybody's getting abortions. This whole libs, far left, far right stuff. I I I really get annoyed with that because it's almost as if you're acting like only one, like everybody makes decisions based on their political ideologies, and that's just so immature. And this obsession. We're not disgusted by what she said. We're disgusted by what she did. Look at the reproductive lips. Yeah, we can look at the reproductive stats, and we know we know we know which political parties advocating for abortion and which one isn't. We know which political parties advocating for it, which one's not. I I I don't come with that. Like, I'm just saying it's not a for me, this is not a libs thing or whatever. It's really just a matter of taste, and and that's what I could not be a matter of fact. Abortion ice cream. This is a matter of taste, y'all. You know, you like chocolate, you like strawberry. Let Jediah speak."
"How could it not be? If if liberals are the ones, I mean, just be honest. Liberals are the ones that are promoting a pro-abortion culture. Liberals are the ones that are saying this should be celebrated. The word here, Ernest, Ernest, hold on a second. The word here to be used is these women are celebrating abortions. And you see young women all over TikTok, by the way, and all over social media who are echoing these now. So an abortion is something, whether you believe it should be. It was supposed to be safe, legal, and rare. That was the idea when people were advocating back in the day. Pro-abortion advocates were saying safe, legal. Does this sound rare to you? Oh, I every time I have sex, I just run and get an abortion like I went to the dentist."
"Healthcare shouldn't be rare. Access to healthcare shouldn't be rare. Access to healthcare. Taylor, no one's talking about access. No one. You have access to a whole bunch of things in society. That doesn't mean you utilize them. These are women that are going abortion. Right. When you stigmatize abortion, it it when you stigmatize abortion, it leads to less abortion access. When you when you stigmatize murder, it leads to less murder. Yeah."
"But actually, Taylor, that Taylor, that argument works the other way because I if you trivialize it and you look like you're slightly gleeful and you're very proud of having had five abortions as both of them appeared to come over, and that's just the way we can judge them from that clip. They said, 'Don't be judgmental.' Well, actually, you can be when people are apparently trivializing it in the way they were. You have a duty. But I think my point is that that the reason Andrew is so exercised is not just because he's anti-abortion, but here's exactly what he's been saying for a long time, which is a lot of women treat it like it's just another thing when actually it's more serious. And I agree with that. Even though I support women's rights to have an abortion, no one should be like proud or gleeful or joyful or celebratory about it. It should. I think the tone, the tone you use to talk about it should be serious."
"How that stigmatizing, can you understand how that stigmatizing, uh, sort of framework would be used to restrict access to abortion saying, 'Well, you're not, you know, pious enough, you haven't repented enough, you're not sorry enough, so you don't deserve access.' That is what is used to strip women. Women's. Terminating it should be stigmatizing for women to talk about abortion like that. This is sick. This is your empowerment. Yeah. Once we start having these conversations, it's time to do a timeout. No more abortion. Wrap that up. No more of that. Once we start having to have these conversations, and you see women smiling like she's smiling right now during this conversation. Time out. Go wrap that up and put them in timeout for a little bit until maybe in 50 years we can have this discussion again. But having this conversation is sick, and it's not good for society. Uh, we need to go ahead and go back to the drawing board and huddle up again. But for now, we need to go ahead and put the abortion away. This is getting crazy now."
"Out there saying, 'Oh, I don't know. I had four abortions, five abortions, six abortions.' Like, like you went for a root canal. I mean, listen, this is not the face of an empowered woman. This is pathetic. It's sad. And this is the product, sorry to say, this is the product of modern feminism and what it has done to women that now they weaponize their ability to kill. Because that's my view. So I'm going to say they weaponize their ability to kill, and they expect society to put a big stamp of approval on it. And people like you do. I'm not doing it. I'm not condoning it. I'm not doing it. I'm calling it out. And if they feel stigmatized by their behavior, then so be it. Maybe that has more to do with their behavior, their crappy behavior, their sick, twisted behavior, than it does by what I'm saying about it. Go."
"Wait, wait. I I just want to say this real quick. Let's be real honest here. Even if you did not, if you personally do not support abortion, and you really think that it's a murder, there would be no way, quite frankly, that you want anyone to discuss it. So I think it's intellectually dishonest to act as though we're going to use this extreme of Lily Allen, which I do agree, right? I personally think that the way that Lily Allen discussed it was not the best way. But to be honest, for those who do not support abortion, which I do support a woman's right to choose, there would have never been a way for you to approve it."
"Bro, the left is getting crushed in the culture war. Whatever propaganda war is happening, they are getting crushed. They can't even hold a candle to what's going on right now. They need to send in backup. They need to phone a friend or something. This is a bloodbath. This is. This is getting crazy. You're using the most extreme example as a way to now double down and justify every other belief that you have on this. That's the dumbest thing. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. We talk about murder openly all the time. What are you talking about? Support it. So why are we talking about Lily Allen?"
"Yeah, so what? We talk about things we don't support all the time. What are you talking about? So here's what Chris Morgan and I are understanding. So let's make this make common sense. Pierce and I both, I assume, support a woman's right to choose. I don't know, but I I think we do. We both do not agree about the taste of how Lily Allen did it. However, I think for some of you all on this on this this episode, you're not going to ever agree with this. So stop acting like Lily Allen is the example of all women who discuss having abortions because it's not true. You just want to use as an example to dismiss the case of abortions. Period. And so that's. Oh, I see. I see. Hang on. Let me respond. Let me respond. I see. What a genius. What a genius argument. Yes, Andrew. You think that all murder and murderers are bad. So you're going to point at serial killers and say, 'See how bad that is?' Great argument, genius. No, what a what a wonderful argument. So clearly it's pretty good because you have zero. That was the argument. Do you understand that I can take things that are happening socially, point to the worst of them, even if I don't agree with them, to use that as an example of why it's bad. Why thing bad thing bad? Because look, you can see the white thing bad. Do you not? Why do you not get this right now? They're crashing out. This is an extreme example. They never liked abortion. This is an. Whether you like abortion, whether you whether you support abortion or not. We're not making up this extreme example. This extreme example exists, and we're commenting on it because there were women all over the country, by the way, that will say things like, 'My body, my choice, who cares?' Oh, yeah. And you know what? It's escalating down to other things like Plan B. People popping Plan B's like candy. Now, this stuff is not being taken seriously. And the bottom line is, whether you support abortion or not, this is a serious matter. And the fact that we have women out there talking about it like a trip to the dentist, that is a problem. Yeah."
"And all of this comes from the sexual revolution and the promotion of the sexual revolution. All of these issues, talking about these things, all of it, single motherhood, all of that comes from the sexual revolution and the promotion of that in society with the single motherhood rate, the tax burden that it causes, the bad effects on the kids, and the promotion of abortion, OnlyFans being rampant. You can't even go on social media if you're a man without saying, 'But.' I just don't know what we got in return as a society from the sexual revolution that would outweigh the negative effects of it."
"I I don't think that the way they spoke about it did many credit at all. And I think it actually, if I was somebody who was against abortion, that would have really enraged me to see people who have access to, uh, free and fair abortions in because they're in a country where it's fine. Okay, guys, I'm going to end it here. There's another 25 minutes. I'll leave a link in the pin comments and in the description below. Let me know in the comments below if this video was a W or give me an HBO special. That help brother out. Special. Hit the like and the subscribe button for more content. Till next time."