Ian Carroll and Baron Coleman Go Deep on Charlie Kirk and Biggest Cover Up in Ages - #42

All right, guys. It's not Ian's uh smooth jazz in the background, but that was uh your humble host. Hold music. Ian Carol. Oh, you're locked. I don't have your I don't have your sound.

>> No, it's just me being amateur hour over here, not unmuting myself.

>> Uh I already saw a chat that said Ian, don't let Baron touch any technology, and I'm the one coming in muted. [laughter]

>> I I get the guy who literally builds applications. he comes in and uh and and is on mute when he starts the show.

>> Yeah.

>> Um guys, welcome in. We're going to have a big show today. Um we we have a hard cap though and um we have to shut it down at 7:30 central time. So we have a 90minute program set up for you after the 90 minutes goes. Ian has to run. He has a prior commitment. I conned him into staying for an hour and a half and um much against his will and um he he's the

>> rough life. It's a rough life.

>> He's the psy tonight.

>> Whether knowing or unknowing is not yet decided. We'll discuss that on tonight's show.

>> Yeah. But um but yeah, we'll we'll we'll go an hour and a half. I'll stay a little bit afterwards, answer questions um and kind of do my uh interaction with the uh audience afterwards. But we are on both channels for those that don't know. We're on Real Baron podcast on YouTube. We are on Ian Carroll Show on YouTube as well.

>> Yes, sir.

>> Is that is it called Ian Carol Show? As soon as I said that,

>> it is. It is. I keep thinking about changing it, but it's still Ian Carol show to this day.

>> You know, I was on my my show was Baron Coleman and then I went to Real Baron podcast about the time you found me and now I want to go back to Baron Coleman if someone else picked it up.

>> They'll do that to you. We'll get you.

>> They have two subscribers. [laughter]

>> U But guys, we got a big show lined up. I do not have my traditional opening uh because Ian's here and I did not want him sitting here watching me read the screen for 10 minutes. We talked about maybe it would be cool to have Ian do an opening and me watch him do it for 10 minutes. But uh

>> we could both do an opening one of these days.

>> We could do it like the Beasty Boys. Pass it back and forth.

>> Yeah, now we're talking. Now we're talking.

>> Every other line. Every other line. Um, but we do we want to recap for everybody. I really want to recap sort of the Charlie Kirk universe, the Charlie Kirk investigation. Figure out where we are on it, but also give people a unique back and forth spin on on where each of the items is. So, there's different buckets of the Charlie Kirk investigation. This is something uh my the guy I really like to follow, you and I were talking about this afternoon, Jason Goodman, who I really like his personality. I think he um he provides a great voice to a lot of different issues. Uh, but he's loving the drone issue. it. I'm like, Jason, I've had no time to look into drones. This is not something I've had any time to explore. I'm looking at, you know, gunshots. I'm looking at shrapnel. I'm looking at the doctor. I'm looking at, you know, plants exploding in West Tennessee. I don't have time to look at

>> kind of become an expert at tracking planes.

>> I'm not

>> just a million different directions to go with this investigation.

>> Do you want to preview what you might be working on relative to?

>> Maybe. I think that I think that right now it's like uh in a state of complete disarray because I was trying to load a whole bunch of Fort Wuka flights into it. So we'll we'll we'll tease it another time.

>> But uh go ahead.

>> I was just going to say that like you're saying there's all these [snorts] different directions of investigation and we've gotten so far down so many of them that we kind of need a not just a recap but like a recondensing of what do we know, what do we not know, what was disproven and what was proven. And where like a lot has been coming out with Candace's recent two episodes today and yesterday um and things that happened over the break that adds a lot of context to old stuff and pushes some of the old stuff a little bit further without necessarily people realizing.

>> Yeah, she had a good show today. I thought she dropped a lot of really um a lot of really interesting uh points. We can we can open up a couple of those as we go. Um, I think the the number one dividing line because I keep hearing news people say this. I keep hearing people in the the investigation sphere say this. I see people on the right wing and the left wing say this. The overarching question to me the entire investigation divides on was Charlie Kirk shot?

>> 100%.

>> Did Did something external to Charlie Kirk enter his neck from more than two feet away?

>> Yep. And we've had a lot of playing that idea out over time. We've had a lot of people testing bullets, people triangulating the audio from the actual video recordings, people looking at sight lines. I drove all the way to UVU to look at a single rooftop location to try to figure out if a vent was a shooter or event. [clears throat] Um, there's been a lot of investigation into all possible angles of shots and all other theories as well. There's still a lot of theories out there, but I think we both pretty much hone in on one or two, maybe three most likely scenarios, not necessarily exclusive. [snorts]

>> I still catch myself saying the moment he was shot or Charlie Kirk was shot. I still catch myself saying that and I don't believe he was shot.

>> As I was captioning the video that we're gonna that we're going to have of that little piece today. Um, I caught myself doing that when I was captioning it of like gunshot and I was [snorts] like, "Wait a minute. Yeah, good.

>> I've taken to calling it the big bang and I've seen other people now start to call it the big bang or the the moment or the whatever. So, I think I think other people are starting to distance themselves from this. Initially, gunshot seemed very rational, very reasonable to me. Um, you know, if you look at my text threads from September 10th to maybe October 15th, there wasn't a single doubt in my mind that he had been shot.

>> It was it was what was the angle? I loved Dr. Chris Martinson when he was really going over

>> agree very precise but then people started shooting things with 30 sixes and we found out during that investigation that Candace had seen footage that showed no blood from the back which we kind of all could tell from all the other angles too but the confirmation of no blood from the back no exit wound then all of the different shooting that was happening with 306es into all sorts of different materials like Chris Martinson for example did I think 38 shots in his first test that went through roasts, bone in roast, concrete behind roast, plywood and concrete behind roasts. Um, it just became more and more apparent that the rifle doesn't match the crime at all in any way. And now actually tonight, I think that you have queued up a couple of the frangible rounds that have been shot now too, right? They're watching a little bit.

>> I want to bring those in. Uh, we'll go ahead and bring bring um trigger smarts in because we played this before. So, this will be a recap for some of my audience. I don't know if your audience has seen this. Um, maybe my Twitch audience had

>> but let's bring up why we're looking at at frangible audible rounds at all.

>> Yeah. The changing narrative.

>> Yeah. So so Candace kind of dropped a bomb yesterday that the doctor may not have been the one suggesting the gunshot as much as Erica Kirk and Andrew

>> huge bomb.

>> A lot of the things that she dropped about Erica Kirk yesterday were absolutely gamechanging. They rearrange the whole story

>> in a way that I think a lot of people are already suspecting. The most suspicious among us are already like laser focused on Erica. But it's different to be suspicious of Erica than to have facts coming out that just kind of disqualify her statements.

>> I I promise not to do the Erica Demon voice tonight. [laughter]

>> I kind of gave a few promises that that's not going to happen.

>> We'll try our best.

>> We're not going to do the Erica tail. Uh, we're keeping we're keeping it clean tonight. Keeping it clean tonight. So, you know, clean clean often involves more than just um just that. So, so yeah, I wanted to wanted to bring that in. The reason we're looking at frangible rounds is because initially the 306 round was kind of accepted by everybody. It was recapped by the news. Everybody was sort of went with it. It was all over social media. Your humble host, I I think I heard you talk about it. We sort of accepted, yeah, Charlie was shot. Now, which where was he shot from? Was it Tyler Robinson who shot him? And then people started firing thousands and thousands of rounds at everything imaginable in the field. And we started looking at it thinking maybe he wasn't shot. Like maybe he wasn't shot with a 306. Then we get the information from TPUSA that no, the doctor in fact did not say what Andrew Kovette said. He said in in fact what he said was perhaps there was a frangible round. Now we learned from Candace yesterday maybe the doctor didn't say that either. Maybe they're just plugging.

>> We also halfway through that heard that the bullet had hit his C2 down to his C6. Like this weird trajectory that goes through your face, like the spinal damage that the doctor, the surgeon was apparently reporting was completely inconsistent with the wound that we had all seen in in multiple ways. And so with the changing narrative about the damage to his neck and the changing narrative about the bullet that did the damage to his neck, it's and and now we can't trust anything that any of them have said.

>> Um, and I think that you're the one that was pointing out to me that Dr. Lee Troder probably can't speak at all. He's probably locked up.

>> Yeah, we'll get

>> verbally, so to speak.

>> Right. Not not not physically locked up.

>> Hopefully not.

>> Hopefully not locked up. Uh, and if he is, I hope he's enjoying it. [laughter]

>> Hope it's consensual. Um, but let me uh let me get to this because now we have a little background to understand why it is we were looking at frangible rounds at all because there was a legitimate question. Could this have been a frangible round? And let me say real quickly before I show this video, if you are watching on my stream, jump over real quickly on Ian, subscribe to his channel, like his video, get it pushed up to the top of the algorithm.

>> If you are watching on Ian's, I'll be selfish here. jump over on mine, subscribe to my channel,

>> like my uh video so that we'll push it up to the front of the album. Um, all right. Let me play this here. Uh, I might Well, I'm going to leave it on. I think he does say a foul word or two here, but let me let me bring Actually, I don't want to say that. I don't want to put ugly words in.

>> Yeah, don't put words in his mouth.

>> But hey, let me So, you're gonna

>> here shooting in the cold for us.

>> I know it was freezing. You can see he was shaking at one point. [laughter] Uh, let me do this. This is a frangible 5.56 round. In a minute, we'll show a frangible 3006 round, but this was trigger.

>> Let me clarify. This round is smaller than a 300 6. Oh,

>> it's about a third of the size.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> I mean, a traditional 306. Obviously, 300 sixes come in a variety of weights, but this is um this is a smaller than what you would think of as a 30 six round. So,

>> that's a honker of a bone.

>> That looks delicious. [laughter]

>> That looks del Yeah, it does. I just I just po someone uh texted me and asked if I was drinking again. No, this is coffee. I just put it in a red wine glass because that's all I could find in there right now. Um, all right. Let me fire this away. It's going to happen as soon as I hit play. Boom. So, you saw the the steak get hit. You saw the bone jump. And so immediately, pause right there. Pause. Pause. That right there. The first thing I noticed in this test was I mean I was actually kind of nervous because I I've been theorizing that a bullet would not be stopped. And still this round is smaller. Yeah. But but if this round gets stopped then it leads to questions of like well hey maybe we're wrong. But not only was the bullet not stopped but also the obvious thing that these frangible rounds are doing in every single instance of them we've seen so far is they're doing way more damage to the actual tissue that they're passing through. And if you watch Triggersmart's whole video, which you all should go and watch Trigger Smart's whole video, it's only like 50 minutes long. Excellent video. He shoots a bunch of different fruit. He shoots water jugs and he shoots this meat and a roast. And you can see over and over that the frangible rounds are breaking up within the flesh a little bit and they're like sending their force out into the flesh way more. And it it implies to me that if a frangible round had hit Charlie Kirk in the neck, we would have expected to see more damage to the neck, not less.

>> You know what this this test in particular did for me? And then watching Jesse on Fire and Heavy Duty Country do their test, what it confirmed to me was a frangible round is not necessarily designed, and I don't want to spoil the conclusion this early. We're showing the first four seconds of the clip here.

>> Uh, but the fragile round is designed not to redirect off of a hard surface.

>> So, if you shoot at a steel target in the field, you know, it might shoot back at you if you're just at the right angle, but a fragile round is not going to shoot back at you. If you hit the steel, it it breaks up and and falls to the ground. But it is not going to be stopped. What we learned in this test here, and we'll show I don't want to spoil the surprise on heavy duty countries video, but um what we learn is it doesn't stop in the flesh either

>> at all or the bone.

>> Good shot.

>> No, it goes right through bone both tests.

>> I got I got to I got to figure out uh Look at that. That's the bone right there. See that?

>> That's the what we have.

>> Look at that. I mean, that just it just went right through.

>> Pretty sizable entry hole. Some pretty good damage. Nice wound cavity.

>> Oh, that's the that's the flesh side.

>> And I

>> So, yeah, there's your answer. Can a human neck stop the

>> the uh uh frangible round? Now again this is a 5.56 round which you know um you know in a uh I guess in a millimeter perspective it's it's uh 5 mm across instead of uh 8 mm across on a 300 6 or 7 1/2 millime across on a 300 6 round. Uh in terms of inches it's 2200s of an inch instead of 3/10 of an inch on a 300 6 round. Um, in terms of weight, a typical 30 6 round is going to be, you know, in the 140 170 grain. A 5.56 round is going to be around 50 maybe give or take. Um, so it's a smaller smaller diameter, smaller weight. It is a little hotter round. They do fly a little faster.

>> Um, so it wasn't a perfect test, but Trigger Smart was able to get his hands on, so I'll go ahead and pull this down. He was able to get his hands on a frangible round and give it a test. Now, what did we learn on the heavy duty country?

>> Yeah, shout out to Jesse on Fire and Heavy Duty Country for hunting down some frangible 306 rounds. I'm pretty sure that uh Jesse on Fire said that these are actually from 1945 or something. They're actual like old military surplus.

>> Yeah, he u I didn't mean to pull that up. I'm sure it was a great

>> She was on She was on point with the comment though. Uh, let me look at it. I don't want to do that. I don't want Erica tried to explain her telling Candace she met Tyler at the 2015 rally. That was a huge lie and he crushed it previously at the funeral rally. Erica Kirk is a blank. Um, yeah. When you're telling lies that were refuted already on stage at Charlie Kirk's memorial in front of millions of people, that is bad planning. That is bad.

>> A Joeard. Come on.

>> Bad PR.

>> Oh, I get the Joe reference now. [laughter] You guys are great.

>> Yeah, we don't Jojo, but we Joe,

>> we [laughter] did I tell you I ordered that book? It's coming. The book is on its way. I've got the live.

>> Let's go.

>> So, this is a 1945 collector's round. I think they said they paid $12 per round for four rounds of this. Um, which I like because had they gone out and gotten a new brand new frangible round, somebody could say, "Oh, well, perhaps Tyler was shooting an 80-year-old frangible round and and perhaps it would have lost some of its oomph over the years." Well,

>> we'll find out how much oomph it oomph.

>> Here's the oomph right here. Boom.

>> It shot through the turkey, the turkey bones, the cinder block behind it.

>> You'll get to watch them come up and uh and and get a peek at it here.

>> Half the sound of Definitely doesn't do as much damage to what's behind it as

>> weird FMJ.

>> Oh my god. It went all the way through,

>> obviously. But no, but it does damage behind it. That's the point. It does do damage behind it.

>> Oh my god. I

>> mean, look at this thing.

>> Straight through. Holy sh.

>> So, it went through.

>> I mean, there you see the size of the hole coming out of the back of it. It broke the cinder block.

>> Straight through.

>> There's no Look at that. His whole thumb fits in the back of it.

>> Yeah. I saw it hit that 30 [laughter]

>> like it was like not even if you don't watch Heavy Duty Country or Jesse on Fire, go give them a follow as well. They they're fantastic people. They do great work.

>> They're doing great work.

>> Um

>> lost our aspect. There we go. Um All right. So, what do you conclude from that?

>> I mean, what we're all thinking is that he wasn't shot with a 30 six and we knew that from the beginning. I mean, well, we've known that for a while now. um we've suspected it, but the more tests that come out, the more and the more absurd the rebuttals are like the bouncy skin theory and I like I don't know like maybe the ammunition salesmen out there know bullets better than the tests actually are showing and I'm just waiting for any of them to do a test to shoot something that will stop a 30 six. Valhalla literally shot through steel with 306, not frangible, but with 3006. So, it's it's it makes you think about what's a different plausible scenario. And there's a lot of other plausible scenarios when you actually look at the video evidence of what actually happened that day. When you put together the fragments, these are things that really came together on your show on Trigger Smart. A number of people have been involved in putting together the pieces of the puzzle of a possible explosion, a possible exploding microphone, a possible shape charge. um a fair bit of discussion about possible electrocution. Um, there have been people talking about like you know low low velocity short-range projectiles but I have not largely bought that because of how unreliable that would be and because of how much evidence we see that actually matches up with an explosive at this point.

>> Yeah. I if for people who are I mean if it was a short range low velocity projectile so from within 30 ft or less I'm willing to entertain that I I would have to see evidence of something left in his neck I would have to see where that projectile is. Um, and it in his body the way his body moves the way the shirt jumps the way his uh necklace moves is not consistent with that being the sole cause of damage to his neck. But I would at least be willing to entertain that, hey, maybe they in just in just sheer piling on, they made his necklace move, they made his microphone move, they made his shirt move, they made his neck, you know, jump up, they made his his shoulder tense, they made his hands crink up. Uh, and also just because they wanted to make sure, you know, Rasputin wouldn't come back for the dead, they also hit him with a low velocity projectile. But if you're going to tell me they hit a low velocity projectile from 300 ft away, no, that's not that they are not made for that. That's not That's not something people do. And if you don't believe me, walk into any sporting goods store, go grab a subsonic round, and look at the drop rating on those things at 50, 100, 150, 200 meters out. You get you get drops that are just ludicrous. I mean, absolutely ludicrous.

>> You're like throwing a football at that point.

>> Yeah. [laughter]

>> Yeah. You're hail marrying. It is the difference honestly between throwing a throwing something and shooting a like throwing a rock and shooting a uh uh what do you call this? Slingshot.

>> Yeah,

>> the slingshot's going to be much straighter. Might have a little drop to it, but much straighter over a period of time than just chucking the rock. But here's the here's the real kicker that I keep coming back to and my brain keeps swirling around this piece is that if you take a couple of assumptions that we're certainly both on this page, I think and I think most of our audiences are is that the rifle was planted and if they planted this mouser that shoots 306 rounds and then he gets shot in the neck, why would they plant the wrong rifle? Right? And that's this is one of the key questions that to me lends credibility to the exploding microphone theory because part of the exploding microphone theory, the most likely version of the exploding microphone theory in my understanding of it is that it was actually supposed to hit him in the chest. Is that he was supposed to have a chest wound and if he had a chest wound, none of these questions would have been asked. None of this weirdness with the bullet and the autopsy and the neck and the vertebrae. None of that would have happened. And no one would be shooting through roasts with 30 out sixes because 306 can totally stop in your chest. That's fine. No problem. But the neck wound just does not make sense for the plan. And John Bray laid out a very compelling case that we aren't going to show because you have to kind of look at the blood pool. You have to look at the blood and the piece in the blood. He laid out a very compelling case for that possibly if there's a a shape charge in the shirt attached to the microphone inside the microphone and it it kind of uh primes at a weird angle and then shoots at the wrong angle and either a piece of shrapnel hits him in the neck or I think shrapnel is most likely for the neck, but maybe the actual shape charge hits him in the neck. that starts to make a lot more sense because you're not going to go to all this planning like carry out this complex assassination and plant the wrong rifle.

>> Right.

>> I want to get to shape charges. I want to get to explosives in just a second. You've raised the issue of the exploding microphone. I am a fan that among the many things that took place that day, uh something something ignited, I'll say, if not exploded, ignited under his shirt, causing his shirt to rapidly deform in a way that that a uh a gunshot to the neck would not have done. Uh, but I want to pause and remind people, we pulled the actual comments on the law from HHS today, just so you can see that we're not making this up. The doctor Dr. Lee Dupont Troder is in a very unenviable position. So this is the pro definition of protected health information here. This is as it relates to deceased

>> individuals. [snorts]

>> Um the the HIPPA privacy rule that we're all familiar with because we all have to go in HIPPO releases every time you go to the doctor somewhere. Um, HIPPA the P does not stand for privacy. It stands for portability. It was about a health insurance portability. a bunch of senators got together and said, "Hey, while we're doing this, we might as well protect our uh uh health information so no one knows we're screwing around on our wives and no one knows we're going to their home." You know, it was great. It was great for them. Um, but it's it's created a night a nightmare for the rest of us. But it does protect individually identifiable health information for 50 years following the date of death. I wanted to point that out because people are saying I hear people saying in the field, well, you know, the doctor is telling so and so this, the doctor said this, and I'm telling you right now, that's not happening. Yeah,

>> that's just not happening. Uh the doctor is not telling these people these things. Um individually identifiable health information about a deedent for 50 years following the death of an individual remains protected health information. after that 50 years and even during the 50 years there are some exceptions but it would never be like you can talk to Andrew Kovvette.

>> That exception wouldn't exist. There's no Covet exception.

>> No. And you certainly can't make up stuff and tell them f be spreading false information about someone's death either.

>> That's not happening.

>> No, you can't.

>> No, no, you can't. Um, so I wanted to get to that. Now, you had some information about a potential source of the explosive

>> material. Should should the explosive material have actually happened? Talk to

>> actually actually before we go to talking more about accurate energetics, let's talk about um let's just play this clip that I pulled out. Um, I want to share just the exact video because we pulled a video out so that Charlie's not in the video, but there is a thing that seems to drop from the sky behind Charlie right after the shot is fired, like one second after the shot is fired. And it's been a bit of a mystery all along because it looks like something falls from the top of the tent at like right before Charlie's even fallen over, before anything's happened. Um, and and I've been wondering this the whole time. I just loaded into the bottom there, Baron.

>> Okay. I was going to say, why am I not seeing it? But that's why.

>> Yeah. And um and so what I did is I cut this so that Charlie's not in the frame. And I actually took out the audio, too, just in case YouTube is being really paranoid. But I put in title cues for when the audio for when the gunshot sounds happened. And I also put in cues for what frame rate, like what speed we're watching this at. So first we'll watch it at 4x speed and then it slows down to one/10enth speed and then it slows down to 120th speed. So we can see this thing. It's only in three frames of this video, I'm pretty sure. Maybe four. Um, so it's at one quarter speed and Charlie's head is right down here beneath. And the gunshot just sounded and then a thing falls right here. Right there. A little piece of something. One10enth speed. And this is at 120th speed. Okay. And it's, you know, maybe it's a bug. Maybe it's a giant cockroach bug that flies over Charlie Kirk's head in September in Utah 1 second after the gunshot sound rings out, but that seems like a crazy coincidence to me. So, just to clarify the frame direction that's happening here. This is the first frame in this video that I can see it in. I've seen it in a couple of the videos. This is the best one that I could find today to pull it from this frame. It's unclear if it's going up or down, but the next frame in the line is this. And then the next frame is this. And then it falls out of frame.

>> Yeah. Tell tell me what you're thinking, Baron.

>> Well, so I watch this and to begin with, when you watch it in normal speed, bugs don't move that way. They don't move that fast. They don't they don't change directions on a dime. Um, this thing you're you're talking 120th speed and you're hitting frame by frame. Um, a bug moving this far in one frame is 120th of a second. No bug flies that fast.

>> So, that's not a bug.

>> Yeah,

>> there's a 0% chance it's a bug. Initially, people were saying perhaps it was a a bullet shell because he was shot from behind.

>> People were saying that it was a bullet shell that fell out of the camera, right? Because the camera was a gun, right? which is like, yeah, maybe a stretch, but it certainly if it looks like something falling from the ceiling of the tent, but what no one what at least I had not yet thought of is maybe it's something that exploded upwards out of Charlie's shirt and hit the top of the tent and then fell. And it happens about 1 second after the gunshot sound rings out, which in my mind is about the time it would take for something to fly up extremely fast, hit the bounce of the tent canopy, and then fall down at a regular speed. So, you and I speculated today, actually you speculated, and I think I agree with it. Um, that it looks on its face like something hit the top of the tent, the metal of the tent, a piece of

>> Yeah, it might be hitting this bar here.

>> Yeah.

>> And bouncing off that. Or it might like I'm undecided. Maybe it's something that goes all the way up to the roof of like the canopy of the tent, bounces off that really fast, and then the very next frame we already see it falling down. It's hard to say, but it kind of looks like it deflects right here, right from there to there.

>> And and if you've ever thrown like a a pizza box or something, you know, the little circles that come in a pizza box, they spin because they're flat and the and the air acts on it.

>> And it clearly has different dimensionality to it. Here we're seeing it side on, kind of side on, kind of more flat on

>> But see, this is a piece of physical evidence. And maybe like maybe it's an aberration of camera, but I kind of doubt that. Um, I would love to hear someone's argument for that. Maybe it's a bug. I highly doubt that. Maybe it's some advanced DARPA drone. I don't think so. Um, I think the far more likely explanation that it's a piece of ADSB plastic from some of the one component of something that exploded somewhere down below.

>> I I think I I tend to agree with you. Um, it's black, it's fragmented, and it looks to me like a large piece of what we see as debris on the floor of the SUV that Candace showed in the picture.

>> And it's also worth noting that it's not this black piece of the actual tent. It is not that. And that piece does not move as this other piece comes in and comes near it and kind of like not really sure what the white is going on in that frame, but that other thing stays there the whole time.

>> I think I think it's light. It's it's just light hitting it. So, something that John Bray pointed out to me today actually um and John Bray's done yman's work on this uh microphone theory, but what he pointed out to me is the road go to actually has a glassy cover over one side. And so, what you may be seeing on that what you said looked white.

>> Uhhuh.

>> Is light fragmenting also or light uh reflecting also off of that fragmented plastic because it has sort of a glassy cover on one side.

>> Yeah. The newer Rogue 3 doesn't have that

>> because this is a piece of what I'm what I mean to say is this is a piece of physical evidence that is captured on film on multiple cameras and it needs an explanation and a gunshot does not explain this.

>> No,

>> at all. This has nothing to do with a gunshot. And so this just one piece of many piece of evidence that goes with the evidence in the car of what looks like fragmented plastic on the floor of the car. Um, it goes with the puffing of the shirt which pulls Charlie's shirt up in like one 1/30th of a second more or less in front of his face with gases appearing to come out. Maybe it's aberration, but I think we're all on the same page that things are starting to add up to be more more in line with some sort of explosive charge or some other device rather than a gunshot.

>> So, I want to pull up since we're talking explosives. Um, a lot of people may not know about a month to the day, give or take, after Charlie Kirk was um after the big bang in Oram, Utah, where Charlie Kirk uh was taken down at the tender age of 31, a munitions plant in Tennessee blew up. And when I say blew up, I don't mean it caught fire and and sparkled like Erica Kirk coming on stage. I [laughter] mean [snorts] it like ceases to exist.

>> Yeah. Like my house

>> a hole in the ground.

>> Yeah. My house is 60 miles away. People in our neighborhood felt it is a massive facility. A massive explosion. And you pulled some information on this. I will pull some of these up uh one at a time. Tell us what it is you see in this about us page on AES. This is the plant that exploded.

>> Tell us why you think this might be something we should be looking at. So, you'll notice first off though, you'll notice that that page right there actually is not the original web page. That page is a archive.org page. Right.

>> That's correct.

>> Because Baron, if you switch to showing my screen at the bottom real quick.

>> Hold, please.

>> What my screen shows is what you would actually find if you went to this web page today right now.

>> Oh my gosh. Really?

>> Page no longer exists. And you know, maybe Acur Energetics is under investigation. Maybe they are rightfully concerned about their public image and what's going on. But right now, this page does not exist. So, you got to go to the archive and way back their page. And that is what Baron is looking at. And I found this this page in particular, Baron, if you scroll all the way down to the bottom, [snorts]

>> the very very bottom of this page. I mean, they do have a lot of stuff. So, scroll up just a little bit. Sorry, I was getting ahead of myself saying the bottom. Scroll up to the next red section. in this red section right there. Um, bottom left it says expertise in shaped charges and cast cure technologies, right? And you know that's just like a little, you know, diddly on their website. It's just a little a little ping that kind of hit my searches. But um, there's another page that's on their old website that is also 404 not found. Baron, if you want to go to mine. Um, and I'll jump from the 404 to what I found. Um, so this is another page that is no longer exists, but when you go to archive.org arc and plug that in. Um, application of linear shaped charges. Accurate energetic jetetic systems. Linear shaped charges are ideal for a variety of applications including demolition, mining, salvage operations, and wherever precision metal cutting is required. Whether cutting through steel beams and construction, demolition or severing underwater pipelines during salvage operations provide unmatched precision and reliability. This is a thing that they make and that they specialize in. And this is not new news. John Bray already broke this. John Bray already talked about this. But you shouldn't just trust someone to tell you that a thing is real. You shouldn't just trust someone else's research. You should be triangulating and verifying for yourself. And so I thought what John Bray said about the shape charge theory was very compelling. And so I wanted to dig in and see if I could verify each individual piece of it. And it turned out to be a little harder than I expected to verify the uh sort of the claim that Accurate Energetic Systems was like actively manufacturing these types of explosives that John Bray was talking about. But I found those two dead pages in their old like in their dead web page. And also um on acid energetic systems association association of the United States Army page they actually um me here let me change my search from Lori to shape they mention shape charges in the specific details about uh two of their different facilities capacities and they're actually talking about their various facilities and what they build at those facilities. And then this is another area that consists of two multi-level buildings purpose-built for this. Um, and they make all kinds of things. Cast items include mining boosters, warheads, grenades, mortars, shape charges, and TNT cylinders. So, this is just a bit of that verification process of realized that actually, yes, this plant, to recap, this plant that blows up one month after Charlie Kirk was assassinated out of nowhere, they specialize in, among other things, shaped charges. And John Bray, who's got a lot more expertise in this than I do, was talking about how they actually work with the exact type of explosive material that he suspects was in the shape charge that he's discussing. and he's talking about building actually a model to try to replicate the damage to a microphone and try to test that plastic out afterwards. But um we'll have to wait and see what he pulls up on that. Um, that is okay. So Baron, I want to ask you about the contracts that you found

>> because I was digging into the contracts too

>> and I think I probably found some of the same contracts as you. um when you dig into oh that's other stuff from Canada's episode is when you dig into the contracts you find a lot of contracts on um higher gov and kind of like basic contract uh amalgamation websites but this is the one that I was telling you about earlier when we were getting ready here that seems to have a glitch in the system seems to be every way that I've been able to triangulate it seems to be entered with a glitch a computer glitch and it's not showing up in most of the other contract databases but it seems to be entered where it was uh awarded and completed both on September 23rd, 2025 apparently. Um I don't know a lot about military contracts and I've not seen them like I've not done a lot of digging into them in the past.

>> That's interesting. I've not seen it for the first time. Yeah. Um, so it was I mean this is a little suspicious to begin with. Not not wholly suspicious, but the fact that they solicited and only got one bid received is is a little unusual. That second sentence there.

>> No, two were received.

>> Well, that's the that's the global military products one. Go down.

>> Oh, you're right.

>> Yeah. So, that was a 119,000.

>> One received.

>> Yeah. One received. Work locations funding determined with each order. Uh estimated completion date September 23.

>> It's right there.

>> Yeah,

>> right there. So, it's like, is this a typo? Let me look.

>> And why doesn't this contract show up in the normal contract locations?

>> Yeah. So, I'm on USA spending. Let me see real quickly. Sorry guys, we're doing a little research on the fly. This is

>> because I had So, when I was telling Baron about this earlier, we had already been talking a little bit as we're getting ready for the show. I was talking to Baron about how, you know, I think that we should probably revisit the Acura Energetic systems explosion. I want to hear a little bit of more about the Baron's been doing some foot some footwork in the background that he's going to tell us about, I hope. Um, and I was just digging through the contracts just as like, you know, grunt work to make sure I was caught up. And I figured that I was finding the exact same things that Baron had already talked about. And I mentioned this just earlier today and Baron was like, "What do you I don't know if I've seen this contract that you're referring to."

>> Um, because it's my understanding is it's not showing up in those normal places.

>> Yeah, I just found it. Um, it is a it's a six-year period of performance though. Um, I'll I'll just share this.

>> So, it seems like this has to be a typo, right? It's like I'm I'm not under the impression that this is some sinister like let's be real if you're ordering a special shape charge for a secret assassination. You're not doing it through like a DoD contract, right? You're not

>> you might and

>> but you might piggyback off it. You might, you know, grab a little bit off the you might skim a little off the top, so to speak, right?

>> You you might. So, let me let me pull let me drop this and I'll pull up what um what I've been using. So, for those that don't know, if you go to usaspending.gov, of most federally contracted dollars are available here. I think this is the contract you're looking at. This top one right here. Um, period of performance start date uh 2025 92 uh 923. And then you'll notice it's it's four years later at the end of Q2.

>> Does it have spend in it?

>> Yeah. So this is

>> 119 million

>> 119. Well, it's it's part of a lot larger than that. $7 million obligation.

>> We could open this up and see

>> W519TC25D41.

>> Yep, that's it.

>> Cool. Good.

>> That's it. Um, so this is part of a this is a small piece what you've discovered here of a very large order uh for for TNT.

>> Yeah. um obviously probably not going to be able to deliver now that they've been wiped off the map.

>> Yeah. Awkwardly.

>> And speaking of them being wiped off the map, that brings us back to what you've been up to lately is that um the

>> what was it? The plant manager. People discovered maybe John Bray was the first one to discover it that the plant manager had quit like days after Charlie was killed. Can you you know a little more about this than me?

>> Well, I don't know a ton about it because I actually reached out to the guy. I found his name. Uh, actually reached out to the guy and he was less than enthusiastic about talking to me [laughter]

>> to no one's surprise.

>> The nicest way. I know. I don't even want to say his name because I I don't want people harassing this guy. Um, and I I I often tell people I don't I don't love reaching out to people if I don't have to. Um, but I I got to

>> You felt the explosion in your house.

>> Yeah. I got to the point where I was like, "All right, I gotta ask this guy." I mean, he he left the he left employment. He left I pick up the phone, I call him. To my surprise, he answers. Um, I have a way to find phone numbers for people. I pick up the phone, I call him. He answers and and uh and was polite. I mean, he wasn't a jerk. And he said, "Hey, what can you know, can I help you?" And I said, "Yeah, I'm um I'm I'm Baron Coleman. I've got a a show on

On YouTube, and I, I'd just like to, if you have a few moments, ask you some questions about your employment at Accurate Energetic Systems and, um, and sort of some of the fallout after the explosion.

And he said, "F you. Don't you ever effing call me again. Uh, something, some other f word." And then he hung up. [laughter] So, I was like, "All right, well, I, I guess the answer to that question is, uh, you don't want to talk about it, if, uh, you apparently don't have time or don't want to talk."

Yeah. So, the timeline, just to clarify, is Acura Energetic Systems makes all kinds of explosives for the US government, and they have ongoing contracts to this day. Charlie Kirk is murdered on September 10th. Just a few days later, the plant manager resigns, and a new plant manager takes over. And within that next month period, a lot of people are talking about a lot of theories about how did Charlie Kirk actually die? They're paving over the courtyard at UVU, which I think we'll talk about in a little bit.

And then about a month after Charlie is killed, that plant just goes poof, right off the map.

And I think the obvious suspicion that I am very curious about, um, is, was that an accident or was that in response to needing to cover up some sort of evidence? And obviously, we don't know, and we don't have any evidence to say that that was malicious. There is an investigation ongoing, though.

Well, of course there is, but it'll be years before it's done. But I think one, there's one component to it you didn't mention, which is, again, just like the Fort Wuka story, change the nature of the response from the other side. Everybody seemed to be willing to just let, you know, Chris Martinsson and and Valhalla and you and me and Candace and everybody else sort of talk about the Charlie Kirk investigation as long as we were examining what angle he might have been shot in, maybe what grain of round might have shot.

Uh, perfectly happy to talk about bullets.

Yeah. The moment John Bray enters the scene and says, "Kind of looks like his mic exploded, kind of looks like there was an explosion under his shirt." I mean, within days of that report, this plant gets blown off the map.

Yeah.

16 people died. This was not like something that happened at 2 AM. This was during a shift. I think it was a morning shift. Like, was it after John Bray came out and started talking about it?

Yes.

Whoa, dude.

I'm 99.5% sure.

99.

I think, I think you might be right.

I mean, it was, it was not long after either.

Maybe a week, week and a half. I mean, to be fair, people have been talking about exploding microphones since the beginning, but, but I was dismissive of it for the reason I think a lot of people were, is because until you start saying the words "shaped charges," it doesn't actually, it doesn't add up. It's like there's no outwards 360° explosion. A shape charge is very, very different. And a shape charge basically makes a hole in something.

Um, so, so this is the contract that raised people's suspicion. Um, I don't remember if I was the, I think I was the first one.

You were the first one that I saw talk about it. Yeah, I think I was the first one to mention it. I've since seen it so many other places. I don't remember if I was first or not. I think I was. Um, start date May 1, 2025. This was for miniaturized extra small demolition charges, anti-personnel extra small. [laughter] I mean, you can't get extra.

A little on the nose.

Yeah. I mean, other than saying, "We need something that'll fit in a microphone." [laughter]

Teeny weeny, please.

Yeah. Um, and it's a small amount. I mean, a defense contract, uh, in.

That's a tiny contract.

Yeah. Compared to the other contracts that they have open.

They're eight-figure contracts.

Yeah. And, and this one was such a short turnaround, like the one you just found a minute ago from September 23rd. This had a, that had a period of performance of four or five years. This one was months.

Months.

Kind of weird.

And it was delivered on August 25th. That's when the SAM flight, SAM triple0ero flight flies from Camp Springs to Colorado Springs. Uh, that's when the Hebrew City flight comes into John Tune.

You did great work on that Hebrew City flight.

Yeah. So, I mean, it's, it's.

That's interesting.

There. This is, this is recapping to say there are reasons people might have these suspicions. All right. I don't want to, I don't want to step on your, uh, thunder here.

No, no, that's exactly it. And I think it's the perfect time to actually move into you talking about paving over.

Oh, yeah.

That stuff that we'll talk about, um, Tyler Robinson in a minute.

So, I want to play, real quickly, a, um, a clip from. Now, I've played this before, but, but we've got, again, 30 plus thousand people on a live stream right now. So, some of you may not have seen this. This is a clip from, uh, the great John Goodman, or Jason Goodman, excuse me, the great Jason Goodman. Someone called him John Goodman to his face the other day, and now I can't stop in my mind calling him John Goodman. [laughter] Uh, the great Jason Goodman interviews. Now, this guy on the screen is not only an eyewitness to the Charlie Kirk assassination, he's a great person to listen to for the next 25 seconds or so, because he is also a contractor at Utah Valley University. He's a roofer. He works with the contracting. So he understands the flow of money through Utah Valley University. And there is an entity that he will discuss in just a second, and we'll look at what they have to say. But let me play this for the folks. Um, he's going to be talking about when, when he opens, he's talking about the paving job that he's standing on, because that was grass. Where his feet are right now was grass when, uh, Charlie Kirk was taking.

And it was done on a Sunday in Utah.

Four days after the shooting.

Rush Sunday job in Utah.

See, I just said shooting. Four days after the big.

Yeah.

So, let's listen to, uh, what our roofing contractor has to say to the great Jason Good. But, you know, everyone's asking about this. Everyone thought it was UVU. Um, I found out that it was, it was that it was the D, the DFCM.

What is that?

Uh, Division of Facilities Construction Management. They're the ones that push this concrete pad through. Uh, you know, I've, we do some commercial roof, uh, roofing work here. And I was told that I don't want to mention any names, but.

Yeah, let's step over here so we're out of the wind. You don't want to mention any names, but.

UVU is pretty much sounded like they were just as confused as everyone else when this thing came.

So, what he's saying there is, I don't know, there was a lot of wind noise, but UVU was just as confused as everyone else why they're rushing to pave over a crime scene, literally cover up a crime scene.

Yep. It's almost like there was explosive material in the grass or something.

Almost like maybe the black piece we saw falling from the tent. There might have been others.

Yeah. Almost like all the black pieces of something that are in the floor of Charlie, of the car they took Charlie out in.

Um, like maybe some of that's in the grass that you got to get rid of, cuz how would you find it all?

And how would you cover up the fact that you're pick, I mean, you could have the cops, like you could say you were the cops picking through the grass, but you're not going to find it all. Well, when I covered this the first time, I played that clip from Jason Goodman's podcast, Crowds Source the Truth. Again, he does great work. Um, if you show, he's been hard on it for a long time, just doing awesome reporting on all kinds of stories.

Yeah, he's, he and he's his personality is great. I, I, I really genuinely like his, uh, his approach to things. And again, you saw a little bit of it there. He's like the guy said, "Oh, this is from DFCM." And he's like, "What's that?" I mean, Jason never misses a follow-up question.

Yep. But I don't want to glaze over too much. Um.

But if you go to the DFCM, let me, let me pull it up. This is the 2025, uh, Utah Valley University projects that they had. Now, I will show you the 2026, just in case you think, well, maybe they just rolled a little bit ahead, but no, they didn't. This is the 2025 projects they had planned, the Division of Facilities Construction Management for the state of Utah. This is the capital improvement plan they had for that year. And it does not have paving over the courtyard. It has roofing funds, ceramic roofs, a chiller replacement, um, a roundabout over on College Drive, a pneumatic damper operator.

Yeah, you weren't kidding that it is deeply itemized down to very small. Like, there's a $144,000 job up there for replacing ceramic roof. Do they have a gas meter?

Yeah, they're they're outing a few gas meters, and they've got it. Light bulbs. Light bulbs are in here.

$300,000 of light bulbs.

Well, it's a big camp.

$75,000 for parking lot lighting replacements. And so there is no pave crime scene in here. [laughter] There's no itemized pave Charlie Kirk crime scene.

Um.

And that's where we, that's where we get the phrase "cover up," right? When we say it's a cover up, what we mean is they're literally covering up a crime. We say that figuratively, metaphorically, we say it's a cover up. I'll show you the 26, just in case you don't believe me. Um, but this is, this is where it comes from. You would take a, uh, there we go. Utah Valley University. So, again, same thing. They've got it deeply itemized here. They even have the names of these people, and I'll tell you about those in just a second. Uh, but, you know, look, VAV and AHU upgrades, safety railing upgrade, on and on, concrete grinding and leveling, uh, again, that's grinding and leveling. That's not paving over crime scenes, uh, pathways, uh, controls, upgrades, boiler replace. I mean, but again, there's nothing about the courtyard being turned from grass to concrete. That does not exist in here anywhere. I'll let you kind of review this for a minute while I tell you about these people over here. I'll leave this.

Which wouldn't have been a terribly cheap operation either. I mean, it's not the most expensive thing in the world, but it certainly is an operation. They had machinery in there. They were leveling and compacting dirt. They were pulling out all the sod. Let me say this for Utah. I like that they do this because it, it prevents the facilities of Utah assets, state-owned assets like university systems. It prevents them from degrading due to neglect of the people operating those facilities. So the state comes in and they oversee and they say, "Hey, wait a minute. You're neglecting a parking lot and you're devaluing our asset. We're going to come in and pave it for you. We're not going to let you neglect it like that." But the fact that Utah Valley University was confused by it shocks me because I guarantee you Utah Valley University is like, "Hey, we need a cooling tower replaced. Hey, we need a transformer replaced. We need this parking lot scraped."

And, "Hey, we need more security cameras on our campus." [laughter]

Uh, "Hey, we could, we could use some more security guards, maybe a magnetometer or two."

Yeah.

Um, but the people that you saw on the right-hand side over here.

I was called by somebody. I was actually put on to this, um, to this, I was put on to this, uh, spreadsheet for 25 and 26. And the fact that this was not a Utah Valley University operation, but this was a state operation. And somebody called me and said, "I know the four people you need to talk to. Here are their cell phone numbers. Don't tell anyone where you got them." And I haven't, but I reached out to them. Reached out to him by text. Reached out to him by call. No response. Absolutely no response. Same thing I said before. Hey, you know, very similar to what I said to the, uh, the guy from Accurate Energetic Systems. Hey, I've got a show. You know, we get, we get some viewers from time to time. People are asking a lot of questions about this. Can you just give me a call back? Happy to talk to you off the record and determine what part of that you would like to be on the record. And there was no answer. There was no response with text and no answer to the phone call. So draw whatever conclusions you want. [snorts]

They all changed their phones.

They all got rid of their phones.

They probably need to, um. [laughter] Throw them in the river. Pave over those phones.

Yeah. So, um, what is sort of your, uh, summation of of the the state of the Charlie Kirk investigation in light of the things we've talked about tonight?

Everything about the gunshot stinks, and they are more than happy for us to go down the trail of the gun, go down the trail of the gunshot, shoot as many things as we want. But every new thing, every new significant break around the guns, like for example, Candace breaking that she has information that to claim that it was the feds that later found the gun with not the dogs, but their special fed feudence. Um, all these things that just add up to the gun doesn't make sense. The gun doesn't seem to be a part of it. The gun doesn't match the actual wounds that we see. But we see all sorts of evidence, mostly evidence that was not controlled by the government. Because for example, the piece falling from the sky we just looked at, that's not controlled. That's an accident. Whatever that is, if that's a piece of evidence, that's an accident. Um, the photo of the ch, of the car with a bunch of plastic all over the bottom, apparently that wasn't controlled. That was a release by the people that they didn't control. Um, the people getting onto the plant. Um, I mean, you can't really, you know, you can't hide a giant explosion. But this is not, none of the evidence that's kind of led in this direction has been from the feds. It's all been from citizen journalists, and it's all been arising organically from people asking questions, and it has coincided, as you know, steps in this line of questioning has happened. Um, it's coincided with plants being wiped off the face of the earth and all sorts of other drama online to distract back to bullets and stuff like that. So, I just can't help but notice that all the actual evidence starts to point in this direction, and all the responses to evidence and the sort of like media environment points away from a gun and a bullet as well. So, this is a very complex operation in my opinion. A lot of people point to that as as the idea that it probably isn't suspicious at all, because if it was suspicious, it would just be too doggone complex.

Um, you had some information about where Tyler went to college and some of the, uh, plane, the programs they have there. Hey, listen. This, this whole line of reasoning, it might be a red flag or a red herring. It's hard to say. Um, it's hard to say, but it's really interesting and it's worth reminding ourselves all of, um, that Tyler Robinson went to an intelligence operative school. He went to an intelligence recruiting ground haven. And UVU itself actually is deeply involved in intelligence agencies. Um, and this has been swirling for a long time. People dug this up right away. And actually, I found clips of, uh, so first share my first page here, Baron. Um, because I found our boy Alex Jones enters the picture here as well. Um, because I found out that actually Utah State University, which is where Tyler attended for one semester, 4.0 student, nearly aced his ACT on the way to greatness, you know, presumably from his prior school behavior. He goes to Utah State University, which has all these CIA programs we're about to look at. And then he drops out after one semester and does a hard U-turn in his life and decides to become an electrician or go to the electrical program at like a tiny local like community college kind of place. And the speculation about him being recruited by the CIA at this college got so overwhelming so fast that they put out a statement all the way back in September officially denouncing the theory and saying that due to unfounded misinformation circulating online, USU is offering the following statement on Tyler Robinson's time at the university. He was not involved with the Center for Anticipatory Intelligence, did not have contact with CIA faculty, and did not attend any CIA activities, CI activities, sorry. The Center for Anticipatory Intelligence is a strictly academic classroom, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And this reporting came up because Alex Jones had actually done a report early on where he said confirmed, uh, Tyler Robinson was confirmed an asset. Um, where am I at? I think it's, uh, did I put it? Oh, I'm actually at the wrong end of the reporting here. Um, this is an Alex Jones tweet from September 29th, 2025, the same day they put that statement out. Breaking: Tyler Robinson confirmed to be in a CIA advanced program for college students, which is typical, you know, getting a little ahead of our skis here. Think of it what you want. Certainly, oh, we don't need to visit that. Certainly Tyler Robinson did attend this school that has extremely heavy ties to the intelligence community, but that does not mean that he was necessarily in the program. Um, and in light of Mr. Jones's recent, shall we say, um, ranting, I have questions about, um, whether this is a red herring or not. I don't know. But I did pull together some of their staff and faculty, just to remind us all of, although I think I need to switch to sharing my whole screen in order to show this to you.

Do you need, do you need me to drop you, or I mean, drop your share, or can you switch?

No, I'll just kill it and I'll bring up, bring up the next one because, and this is just a quick recap, um, as we get to remind ourselves. So, there's my new screen. I just pulled this all straight off of UVU's or USU's website, sorry, the school that Tyler attended for one semester that they have this thing called the Center for Anticipatory Intelligence that was founded by ex-CIA Jeannie Johnson, who has a strange gap for many years, um, between when she was, um, a member of the Balkan Task Force from '98 to '99 for the CIA, and then later went back to school to get her PhD. But there's a number of years that are unaccounted for there. And, you know, you can imagine what a CIA operative would be doing in unaccounted for years. And Matt Barrett, her co-founder, um, and close partner, has an even more astounding resume at the CIA. Uh, he retired from the Central Intelligence Agency as an assistant director of the CIA. And he had all these other senior positions, including mission manager for the Near East, South Asia, and Africa, and the Directorate of Science and Technology. He was the head of three offices in the Directorate of Analysis. It goes on and on and on. And they have several other employees too, um, that have a bit of a CIA pedigree, intelligence agency and defense department pedigrees in general. But there is, um, it's not just the school that Tyler went to, it's actually UVU as well. Um, and here, let me pull this one up for you. I think this is my whole window, so I can thumb through my tabs.

So, at UVU, the school where the shooting happened, there's also this NSS, the Center for National Security Studies. And I actually saw their building when I went there to visit and check out the crime scene. And they, this is also an intelligence agency pipeline part of the school. Um, let me see where my tab is. And it's quite well confirmed that these are direct recruiting pipelines. Um, this is an article about UVU's National Security students determined to combat global tech threats and how these programs are new, but they're designed for the next generation of intelligence assets and intelligence preparedness, etc. In the National Security Studies program, one of the country's premier national security programs, just happens to be at this college where this assassination happens.

You know what I, if, when you're picking a jury, let me just say this. When you're picking a jury and and you get the idea someone really wants to be on the jury, both the prosecution and the defense are apt to strike that person because that person might take any position in order to get power or to assert himself or herself over the jury process. They might leak. They might be, um, too excited to be there. And, and because of that, you just don't want them around. Wouldn't you think if you showed up at a college that's known for having a CIA pipeline? You're like, "Hey, I'd like to join the CIA program. Can I get into the secret, the secret program? Can I become an agent?"

And then about that time, you'd be like, "H, probably watch too many Bond movies. Let's, let's move on from this guy."

Yep. Let's go recruit the guy that looks at that cheese pizza. [laughter]

Yep. Let's go get that guy and we'll own him.

Yep. Because remember the official statement released is that he had no contact with the official program members. He wasn't in the program. He didn't go to any program activities. And that's not what I think anyone intelligent is alleging. And I'm not even alleging anything. I'm just saying that he goes to a school where he's surrounded by intelligence assets and intelligence recruiting pipelines. And then this murder happens at a school that is also filled with intelligence assets and intelligence recruiting pipelines. And it's no secret, like it is within their own, um, documentation, that such experiential learning draws job recruiters from both traditional government agencies such as the CIA or FBI, along with private security firms, etc. And that their graduates are uniquely prepared to understand how to work in a professional security and intelligence environment and how to brief from day one. And there's, this is the one that's at UVU. This is the building that's at on the UVU campus. Um, and they actually have a thing called the Intermountain Intelligence Industry and Security Consortium, the I3SC, which is a university industry partnership led by UVU's Center for National Security Studies and USU's Center for Anticipatory Intelligence. And there's that word again, Intermountain, if you remember Intermountain Healthcare, right? It just couldn't help but have that stand out to me. And so you're just in an environment where Intermountain Healthcare seems to own all of the medical facilities around, and a lot of the medical planes that are flying happen to be owned by a company that's owned by an Intermountain Healthcare company, an Intermountain intelligence. Uh, I mean, and maybe it's just names. Maybe it's just naming conventions. Um, I haven't dug deep enough, and I don't necessarily even think it's going to be very fruitful to dig that deep into it, but it is not hard to dig this stuff up and to realize that we're dealing with an environment, um, where this is the company that the second in command at CI, um, has been a, a high-level member of this company for a long time. It goes on and on and on. Why do you think the, uh, these intelligence agencies are so active in Utah?

I mean, I, I went to college in in Alabama. I don't recall there being a massive.

Traditionally, they recruited at Ivy Leagues because traditionally Ivy Leagues was where you could get people that were from the aristocracy, kids that were from money, that were from.

Yeah, psychopaths. Yeah. And also people that were really good at checking boxes and following orders and doing what they were told to achieve the mission, being getting into Ivy Leagues. It was always an old boys club in the intelligence communities, and they recruited from the old boys club universities. But in this new era, they're clearly branching out from that. And there's a, and this is not news, there's a long history of the CIA recruiting from the LDS faith, um, for whatever reason. Okay. Um, and Utah being a Mormon hub, and Utah being the seat of the new CIA recruiting programs, both of these things sort of swirling around this case, it's just a lot of color. And I think if I were to speculate on it right now, if, and this is how I always think, is like, if this theory is true, what would that mean? If this theory were true, what, how would these facts fit into place? And what would you actually be looking at? And I do this for every different theory. And so if Tyler Robinson weren't recruited by some sort of intelligence agency operation, it wouldn't be him going to the actual classes and going to the actual school and taking the normal pipeline. It would be something along the lines of bumping into someone at school that offers a different direction or that just keeps tabs on them. Maybe they're looking for loners. Maybe they're looking for people of a certain disposition. Who knows? And the suspicious part is actually not that he went to the school. The suspicious part in my mind is that he dropped out of the school right after one semester.

One semester.

Yeah. And then he goes into this electrical engineering kind of program that I have not actually worked to confirm yet. It occurred to me today in re, in rehashing the story, that it would be interesting to try to confirm with people that go to that small, uh, community college, if anyone knows Tyler Robinson from that community college, if he was attending classes at that community college, because he was allegedly attending classes there for quite some time and working as an electrician, um, to make money. And I have some questions just because it's, it's just weird, and I suspect that it would check out, but I don't know.

So, that's one, one area that I don't feel like has been run down. Another area is I don't feel like the neighbors have been prodded enough.

No. Um, the neighbors where Lance Twigs and and, uh, Tyler Robinson would host their Magic the Gathering, uh, group where they would host their friends over. Several of the neighbors said they saw strange cars in the weeks and months leading up to the, uh, Charlie Kirk assassination. They saw out-of-state plates. They saw tinted windows. And, you know, I, I'm curious why when Casey Anthony was charged with, and I say that because she now lives near us, but when Casey Anthony was charged with murder, they were camped out of her house. The news was camped outside of her house forever. They harassed her mom. They, they, I mean, every day there was somebody broadcasting live.

They were talking supposed to look.

Why has no one gone to the neighbors?

Why has no one gone to the neighbors? Why has CNN not gone to the neighbors and say, "What did you see?" You know what? Your gigantic old.

Look at the negative space. Right.

Yeah.

Right. And I was just doing that show with Tucker about, uh, Las Vegas shooting, and it's the same thing again. It's like where the media ignores, where the media avoids the story, where normally they'd be in it, where normally they'd have cameras everywhere, where normally they'd be filling you with emotion and with narrative, and they're not there. That is very suspect to me. And, and the reason why Baron and I got to talk about this earlier, and I'd be curious to, I never actually got you to kind of rehash your thoughts for me here, is that we are, we're a long ways from the true trial, but we're sort of in the pre-trial phases now, and we've had our first public court appearance of Tyler Robinson, and everything, the main narrative was all to like his trans tie and how he was smiling and laughing. And there's this fake lip reading that's totally not fedivance [laughter] about how he said that he was so happy that he did it. And, and it's like, okay, so a huge question in my mind that I think we should all be asking is, does Tyler, was Tyler Robinson duped into being a Patsy, or is Tyler Robinson a willing psy, right? Because that is a very different trial that we're about to see depending on the two. And since you have experience with trials, Baron, I want to hear your take on.

Well, I was gonna say, if, if he is a willing psy, I don't know that you'll get a trial.

If he's a duped psy, he might think, you know, like, I feel like Lee Harvey Oswald was a duped psy.

I agree.

Because Lee Harvey Oswald, what, what were some of his final words? "I'm a psy. I didn't do it."

"I'm a psy. I didn't shoot anyone."

And then Jack Ruby takes me. [laughter]

Out.

Man, have you ever gone deep on the Jack Ruby train?

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Oh, you know who I want to interview is, um, the problem is I can't keep it to one subject because he's so knowledgeable. I'd love to interview Roger Stone on JFK.

Oh, yeah.

And I feel like I could get him on. I've got a, uh, a good friend of mine who's a very good friend of his.

Uh, I would love to get him to go deep on that. But the, the Jack Ruby, Lee Harvey Oswald scenario, I don't feel like that dynamic exists here because I don't believe, um, I don't believe that Tyler Robinson is an unwitting psy.

I suspect you are correct.

So then the next question is, do you think he was recruited?

Do you think that Tyler was recruited, or do you think that Lance was blackmailed or recruited, and then Tyler, and obviously this is pure speculation. Sure. But, but do you think it's more likely that Tyler was the recruited one that brought, that these guys, these random kids into this this plot, or do you think it's more likely that Lance was blackmailed for something untoward and then Tyler was drugged into it to protect Lance? So the, I love decision trees, or a combination of both.

Yeah. I don't know if you ever picked up on my decision trees, but yeah.

I, I do believe he is an un, a willing psy, meaning he went along with a plan. He showed up at UVU, and I know people, I get the emails, I get your super chats, and people say, "Oh, you got to prove it. Prove it." I'm just telling you, it's a gut instinct. He showed up at UVU intending to be part of a crime. I don't think he jumped off of the Losi Center. I don't think he, uh, fired a weapon. I don't, but I think he showed up thinking he was part of a, a scheme that was going to result in Charlie Kirk's death. I do believe that.

And I suspect that he knew his rifle was involved in the scheme.

I think he took his rifle. That's my guess.

I suspect that he, he knew his rifle was going to be the the murder weapon and everything. Well, or he thought.

Murder weapon.

Yeah, the alleged murder weapon.

But, but so how do you end up a willing psy? Because again, someone made this point today, and I can't remember who, I think it was Candace, right before we came on. It's not like Charlie was a huge opponent of the LGBTQ community.

Like.

He was critical, just like everyone else on the right wing. I mean, he spoke out against gay marriage, but look at his staff.

Not that that became a problem. [laughter] Look at TPUSA's events.

Look at Grindr at a TPUSA event.

There's a reason Grindr crashed in Phoenix at a.

Um, you know, so I think what happened was, I don't think it was Tyler Robinson sitting around wringing his hand saying, "I just can't believe this guy's against gay marriage." Well, I mean, like half the country is against gay marriage, right? So settle down. Um, but if you look, I mean, he surrounds himself with sexual deviants. He surrounds himself with, um, I stole that line from Candace today as well.

Say closeted gay men, allegedly.

Allegedly. I mean, even if they're not, they look like it.

Yeah. [laughter]

They act like it.

I mean, we've all seen Mikey McCoy on camera. Anyway, so we, uh, uh, I don't think he, he was truly motivated by what we're told he was motivated by. You know, I think what likely happened is when you have a, a guy like Lance Twigs, who is allegedly transitioning, who, you know, was was exploring all facets of his sexuality, and then you got a guy like Tyler Robinson. There's nobody in the house to pump the brakes. There's nobody in the house that's like, "Hey, we shouldn't go down this road. This is dangerous." You know, I, I hear what you're saying, but we're not going to look that up on the internet. I hear what you're saying, but we're not going to call that person. We're not going to meet that kid. We're not do we're not going to do these things. And I think they, one of a couple things happened. One is they showed up at a Chris Hansen type meeting, but it wasn't Chris Hansen. It was, step over here. We started as the Office of Secret, uh, what, whatever OSS. Now we're CIA. Join us or die. Okay, so that's like option one.

Um, or it was one of those things where they were just looking at things online. They didn't necessarily go and act on it, but they might have been seeing things online, and then they get the call from the agent who says, "Hey, you need to come in. We're going to have to talk to you."

A lot of trouble, but I think we have a solution.

Sure, we can get you out of this.

And then they sort of get developed over time, and we just need you to show up at UVU, take your gun, it's going to be a thing, but don't worry, we've got it all under control.

Got your back. You're going to be fine. You'll be all set up when it's done.

Yep. We'll put money in an account for you. Don't worry, you're going to get hassled small. And so, you know, there's a likelihood that, um, that he is a willing psy. You know, another version of that that I suspect is that Lance might have had something like that in his past that Tyler wasn't necessarily a part of at first,

But then because often fear is often not like fear for yourself might not always be as good of a motivator as fear for someone you care about and trying to save someone you care about. And Tyler, their relationship, what we do know about it, you know, sketchy as it may be, it does fit in my mind the pattern of a savior mentality, of a, "I can fix him, I can save him" mentality. And so if Lance got himself into trouble that was going to put him away for a lot of years, especially if you make it sound scary, I could see maybe the psychology is then, hey, Tyler, Lance is in a lot of trouble, but we have a lost.

Me.

I think, I think you froze for just a second, but you're back. Go ahead.

Yeah, I'm still here. And so it's like, if they get Lance on something, they go to Tyler like, listen, Lance is in a lot of trouble, but there's something you can do about it. We need help with something and you can save Lance and we'll, we'll make it all go away. We'll protect him and all those things. You just have to play ball. And then you wind up in a dynam, in a dynamic where they've got Lance right now.

And Tyler's playing ball. And so they have the leverage they need to keep Tyler playing ball. And Tyler believes he has the leverage that he needs in order to keep them keeping Lance safe, so to speak.

Where's Lance today? Just speculative. This is just us guessing. All this is just guessing.

My speculation would be that Lance Twigs is either not among the living anymore.

No.

Or he's very much in witness protection type of a situation, put away and probably never coming back out.

Not among the living. Explain. There's a lot of versions of this scenario where Lance Twigs knows way too effing much, and he is way too loose of a thread with way too loose of a mind to let him walk around.

So why would his parents just allow that? I mean, why wouldn't they be saying, "Where's our kid?"

Well, I don't, I haven't looked enough into Lance Twigs' parents. Are they like regular people that are out in the world and like.

Yeah, that's so.

Well, hey, if their kid did something unspeakable and they get the same visit saying, like, listen, your kid is going away for life right now. Um, I don't know how, how his Mormon family would grapple with that. I don't know how they would shut up about that. There's a lot of secret-keeping in the Mormon church, though. You know that, that just like every other community, just like every other strong religious community, the Mormon community is in no ways immune to shame secret-keeping.

Hey, so, so let me tell you. I know you only got 12 minutes left before you got to run, but I, I, um, actually started two minutes early, so you have, you have 15 minutes left.

Yeah, we're chilling.

Um, early on my law practice, I was a puppy lawyer. I get, I get deployed by the little firm I was working at. The first couple years I was working, I get deployed by my firm to a little small town, an hour or two, maybe three hours away from where I lived at the time. And, uh, I'm supposed to interview this guy about an accident he saw. And this is a dinky little town in in Alabama. I can't say where because of the story I'm about to tell. Dinky little town in Alabama. And this guy.

Kind of like Panguitch, Utah. Dinky little town.

He has the strongest New York accent I've ever heard. And I'm asking him questions like, "What the hell are you doing here?" He's like, "Man, I've been here for 30 years." I'm like, "Why? What?" And he's like, "Well, you got to shut up. You just got to shut up. You got to stop asking so many questions." Turns out he finally, after I go and visit him a few times and we're really getting down, like prepping for trial, he tells me he's in witness protection. That the name I've been calling him has he was given 30 years ago. He's not seen his family, talked to anyone in decades.

Yeah.

Yeah. I earned his trust, and he told me all that, and I.

I, no one would ever be able to figure it out. But he, he has been gone so long.

He's probably dead by now because he was like 80 at the time. That was 15, that was 20 plus years ago. So.

Yeah. And this protection doesn't mess around.

No, he was, he was vanished off the planet.

Yeah. And so I wonder if this kid is, you know, got a new haircut and a new name and he's working at a, you know, Publix in in.

But that being said, witness protection is usually for a legitimate government purpose and a legitimate protective purpose, as opposed to being an an asset or accomplice or, you know, witness to one of the largest cover-ups of our generation. And I think that if you're dealing with a, a plot that can murder Charlie Kirk, then you're dealing with a plot that has no problem offing this problematic witness that no one even knows where he is.

Do you think it's possible that Lance just set him up because he's a psychopath?

I think there is, there the mechanics could be in place, but then how do you get Tyler Robinson doing what he's doing today? And how do you get his attorneys not fighting for him and him smiling with him in court? Right? He very much seems to be cozy with his attorneys. And his attorneys aren't doing any of the things that you might expect them to be doing, like going and talking to the people at the, uh, Old Cowboys Smokehouse Cafe and Steakhouse that, um, Candace was talking about today, or going to the Dairy Queen, or calling any of these other leads that might have information to help get Tyler Robinson off. Right.

Hey, let me tell you. I saw this. I, I never thought I would be, um, uh, turned on by food in Utah. [laughter] But look at.

Oh, they do it right. I was looking at this smokehouse where Tyler Robinson allegedly had dinner after the, uh, after the Big Bang. Hey, our boys got taste. It's either DQ or classic smokehouse. I was like, I could eat at this place.

Nice sliced.

Yeah.

Yeah. Shout out to the Cowboy Smokehouse. And shout out to whoever at the Cowboy Smokehouse had the, had the, the cojones to, you know, throw or someone around the Cowboy Smokehouse. I don't know who they were. Threw something in the tip line.

Yeah. Um, and shout out to Candace for running it down. It's, uh, got to be hard.

Yeah. It's, uh, that was an interesting wrinkle she, she put out today that, um, that you were pointing out earlier, that correlates with his stop for gas that the public uncovered. Not the feds, but the public seemed to have uncovered that stop for gas.

No, they, the feds didn't, the feds didn't call either of the people that had original footage of the alleged shooter running off Losi Center. Neither one.

Uh, before Candace called him. Now, maybe they have sense. Um, they did not call Harrison Smith asking him, "Who told you that Charlie said he thought the Israelis were going to kill him? Who told you that?" Um, they never called him. They never called people at the smokehouse, even though they've known now for months that Tyler Robinson enjoyed a nice steak and mashed potato dinner following the, uh, largest political assassination in 50 years.

Um, so to me, that all adds up to a willing pathy.

What do you make of not, I'm not trying to throw bombs here, but do you have an opinion on Dan Bonino's coming back the way he's coming back? I, I've lost a lot of faith in Dan. Um, I understand that when you get into that position, you are forced to see and hear things that you can't talk about that are unforgivable and un, you know, unbefitting of a mortal man. But at the same time, I don't think there's any coming back for his reputation.

I, I, I honestly don't either. I forgot the police.

I mean, if, if I, like, if I were Dan Bonino, I'd like to think that I'd come back and I'd be like, "No, no, I won't say anything. I won't say anything. I won't say anything." And then just like drop it all in one live stream and then go and turn myself into the police, um, immediately. I like to think I would do that. I don't know if I would.

I would because you have to imagine that there's, you know, greater threats than to your own person. What do you make of him attacking, I, I mean, for lack of a better, uh, group of people, you, me, Candice, uh, all the people he's calling black pillars because we don't buy the fed slop narrative on all these various crimes like Epstein and Charlie Kirk. You're talking about Dan Bonino, not Alex Jones, right?

Yes. It's the same.

I just have to clarify. [laughter]

That's because that's where we're at now is I just had to clarify.

Yeah, it's the same. I think that that's really weird. I mean, that's bizarre. Like, like, so I just played the other day on one of my live streams, um, Dan Bonino's clip where before he went in, he was the one talking about how his source at Fox News told him that Epstein worked for a country in the Middle East, and I don't even know who they are. It's like, it's like, Dan, you can't be this dumb and also like be.

What you portray yourself to be, and then you get in. It's like there's something that's not adding up here. And if I'm being really generous, I can chalk it up to frustration with being unable to share the truth and being like, "F it. I'm out." That's the most generous I can get. Which is still pretty shitty of him because, yeah, you're you're helping cover up Epstein.

I thought he was going to come back out and just say, "Hey, let me just get back in the rhythm. Let me get back on the horse. Let me get back in the saddle. Get my show going again." And then over time, I will work with my attorneys, work with the ethics offices, and I will determine what it is I can share with you, what I what I'm not able to for whatever reason. Uh, but instead, he just came out just absolutely firing bombs. I mean, his first Wait, I haven't seen any of his shows yet.

No, I'm talking about his Twitter feed. Have you seen it?

Oh, no, I haven't.

Oh, bro, you got to check it out. I could pull some of it up.

Yeah, dude. But he he he uses a little fowler mouth than we normally uh really cover here on this uh on this program. But yeah, let me um where is the Dan Bonino? Oh, here we go. Yeah, dude. Drop.

He is already retweeting Tim P.

Oh, no. He Hold on. I got to show you the first one here. Um, where is Oh, here it is. Yeah, you're going to love this. I know you got a few minutes left. I I got time to share this with you. This is how Dan Bonino reintroduced himself to the public. Let me add this from the jump. There's so there's no confusion. I started this movement as a candidate during the Tea Party movement.

Oh. Oh, did you?

And I be and I began my political commentary shortly thereafter. I helped build this movement. Hey, anytime somebody comes in and they're like, "You're messing with a founder." I They lose instant credibility with me.

Yeah.

Right. I don't care.

I'll I'll be the one to tell you what we're allowed to think. Thank you very much.

Yeah. I sure as hell am not going to let this get hijacked by a group of black pillars, life losers, grifters, and bums.

Cool. Dan,

I'm not gonna let it get hijacked by somebody who doesn't use the Oxford comma.

I'm not gonna let it get hijacked by somebody who's never read One Nation Under. fan. You should buy it. You should read it.

Maybe then you know what the heck you're talking about.

His whole timeline is this way. It is just bomb after bomb. You ought to get on there and check it out. That's what I mean. Like I would have come out with a little bit of humility. I went in telling people I was going to get to the bottom of Epstein and get to the bottom of what happened.

The room. Danny boy.

Yeah. Hey Dan, while you've been there, life has moved on.

Yeah. The movement is still sitting back wanting what we were promised during the 2024 election. What you were explicitly put in to give us.

Yeah.

And explicitly promised us you would do on day one.

Yeah.

Like I still want Hillary locked up.

Yeah.

I still want to know where the 30,000 emails are and Bill and all the rest of them.

That's the thing is I have never moved on from any of these things. I have never moved on from one single iota of any of these issues. No, I want all the January locked up. I want the Hunter Biden locked up. I don't care how cute he was on Tucker Carlson. Now, you he wasn't as good as you on Tucker Carlson.

Hey, [laughter] if you've not checked out Ian on Tucker Carlson.

I should have smoked a bunch more crack before I went on Tucker. Maybe I would have been cuter.

Um Yeah. Um Cernovich tried that approach. [laughter]

Yeah, I saw that today and I was like, "Yeah, let's not comment on it."

Yeah. No, I like Mike. Um I don't I don't dislike Mike. I don't always agree with him. Um, but I have liked him for for many many years. And um, you know, he um, he's a sharp guy. He just he's just not very sharp when it comes to 30 odd sixes hitting necks apparently.

H I was just very disappointed in his interview. Honestly, I I on almost every issue. I thought, man, where's Mike gone?

Yeah,

maybe that's why he's sort of taking a backseat to the uh the public life. But yeah, it's interesting to see the divides in alternative media personalities and try to understand what of it is authentic and what of it is in inauthentic in terms of who is buying this Fed narrative and who's not because it is a real interesting dividing line um amongst commentators and amongst people that had credibility, have credibility, have been here, have been around. A lot of people have exposed themselves um as being either completely paid for or as being just dumb or as being questionable. Um like you saw you saw the footage that Alex Jones was talking about coming out and touring with TP USA.

That's weird.

Yeah. I mean that's uncomfortable, bro. So, one of the I always tell people my favorite part of Donald Trump in 2016 is he broke down the narrative that there were Republicans and Democrats and that was the big divide in America. What he showed was no, there's a giant uni party that's like 85% of the elected officials in commentary and then there's everybody else who's like 15% and some of those are on the right, some of those are on the left, but it's us versus them. And I still feel like I'm in the 15% looking back at Goliath going, you know, and but I always felt like I had people on the team with me like Cernovich, like Alex Jones.

Yeah.

You know, and I I thought I had these same people, you know, initially, I'd say back in uh 2015, I kind of thought Ben Shapiro might be one of those people or Sean Hannity might be one of those people.

Yeah. And then you look and you get through here and you're like, "No, it's it's Tucker. It's uh Candace. It's Ian. I've got like five people that are still there.

There's not a whole lot.

No. No. So, uh, but the nice thing is that the the independent media is spawning more every day. The difficult thing is that it's spawning more feds every day, too. And it's hard to distinguish what's what. And I've taken the I've taken the approach of just not trusting anybody and not and just verifying everything for myself and just open source reporting everything and especially I actually so I was talking to Sean Johnson on his podcast last night and I think it's coming out tomorrow. Um and we were talking about what how do you like see through it all and um and what I was talking he was making analogy to the casino of how of like I forget and I was like I don't think that's a good analogy man. You're making analogy to like the the casino people betting against the house. And it's like no, it's like the better analogy is don't watch the people, watch the house. Because a casino doesn't want the professional gamblers in there. They want this. They want the stooges. They want the NPCs to come in and just give their money away. But when a professional gambler walks into a casino, they don't get treated good. They don't get treated the same way. They kick them out. If you're counting cards, if you're if you're winning at their game, they kick you out. and they will they will do everything they can to harass you and like try to take your winnings and and whatever they can to ban you. And and what I do now is when I look at the media environment, I look for who are those professional gamblers that the casino is trying to kick out because the people that like, you know, the fish at the table, the big high rollers that are spending all their money that seem to be the center of attention, the stars of the show when everything's going normally, it's like, oh, it'd be easy to think that that guy is, you know, the the guy that's going to give me my news. But then you realize when when the chips are really down on the table, you realize that it's the ones that the casino doesn't want at the table. They're the ones that are that are not singing the same song as everybody else. And I think the Charlie Kirk investigation more so than almost any investigation has exposed the the sharks and the fish, has exposed who's on the team and and who's not, or at least who's willing to parrot the narrative for the right price or the right threats or the right whatever it is, right?

It it's Trump 2.0. Um, Trump came in in 2016 and he showed us who was who is America first and who was uh part of the uni party beast and swamp and then he left and when he came back the second time now we're having to re-evaluate but it's Charlie changed.

Yeah. If you would have if you would have told me 12 months ago, you know, a month before Trump took office, Trump 2.0 took office. If you'd have told me, hey, one year from now, Alex Jones is going to be paritting the TPUSA line and speaking at their events. I couldn't have imagined a scenario.

Yeah.

Could not have imagined a scenario.

Yeah. [snorts]

Um Ian, you got Do you have to run or do you want to hang out?

Yeah, I do have to run. Um I got to go get ready, but it has been real, man. It's been a real pleasure and thanks for having me on. We we I think we peaked over 35,000 live.

Oh yeah.

Yeah.

That's cool. Yeah. I don't get to see the live viewers on my end of the screen here.

Yeah. We're at 346 right now. We peaked over 35,000.

Dude, you've had the most incredible rise and welldeserved of anyone on YouTube this year. It's so cool to watch and it's so cool because you like every like I have to watch your show every day because I have to keep up with what you're doing because you just keep breaking new stuff. You keep pushing the investigation forwards. Like you are like absolutely changing the game out here. So, it's so cool to be a part of it and to learn from you and to get to do a show with you. It's awesome, man.

Well, it's it's I'll tell you, I wouldn't be here. There wouldn't be 35,000 people watching the two of us if I wasn't driving to Kroger to get gas one day and I I had the phone on my dashboard and and and I heard you say, "Hey, uh, I'm going to spend tonight I'm going to go over about two hours worth of this new guy I just found. I watched 20 hours of his stuff the last couple of days. His name's Baron Coleman." I was like,

"Yeah, I did the deep dive on on all your early Google Trends content."

Yeah. I had to call my wife and say, "Hey, turn Ian on real quick. This is called." [laughter]

But that's the cool thing about the media environment now is that it's like if you provide value to the the narratives, the questions, the things we all want to know. Anyone that provides value can immediately be valuable because it's like we just like anyone can turn on a camera and investigate and share something that changes the case. And the Google trends were a great example of something that changed the case early on and you've just kept on that same spirit of just investigating all sorts of different leads and bringing all kinds of great perspective to it. So, I have a lot of fun.

Really cool to watch.

I got you to thank. If you are watching on Ian's channel, come over, give me a subscribe. Give me a like on the video. If you're watching on my channel on Baron Coleman or real Baron Podcast, flip over uh click on Ian's, click a like, click a subscribe there. And uh Ian, I've enjoyed this. I'm going to stay on a little bit. Um talk.

Yeah, I suspect that if you're watching on my YouTube, I suspect that it's about to die on you and you got to go over to Baron to watch the rest of the show. Um, and I do highly encourage you to do that because Baron is always dropping both sass, spice, humor, and a whole bunch of like actual really interesting information. Um, so thanks for having me on, man.

I've been very calm tonight.

You have been? Yeah. I think I've helped I've helped Romelo out.

Yeah.

And Joe wasn't We didn't have time to read Joe's chats tonight. So,

someone said earlier there, it's bad cop and chill cop.

You're the chill cop.

Yes, sir.

All right, man. I appreciate it. We'll do it again. been real and I will we'll definitely do it again, man. Hey everybody, thanks for having me on. Baron's audience. I love you guys. Thanks chat. Y'all are the best. See you next time.

All right, guys. Let me uh run through some of these super chats again. I appreciate you hanging on. Um this has been great. Ian, we've been we've been trying to get one of these shows together for quite some time and uh we're finally able to do it. Finally able to get it together. So, uh, let me know if you, um, let me know if I'm still on air. [laughter] I don't even know. Uh, okay. Yeah. Yeah, we're I think I'm still on. So, let me, uh, run through some of these super chats and, uh, we'll kind of finish like we do a normal show. Uh Baron and Ian, the irony of independent media on YouTube not being beholden to sponsors or donors burns me up as much as I watch how much you have to self censor. Thoughts also mad respect to you both. PS Birmingham hamster. Um, my thoughts on that uh yes we still have to self censor because we still are operating in their environment. We are still on a gle platform, right? We are still uh y u t u b is still owned by gouble o gle. And so yes, I have to selfse excuse me ce n s o r. That's just part of it. That's just part of it. Uh you got to play the game with the hand you're dealt. You got to play by the rules um that exist in the game. So uh curious Joe. Curious Joel. Bold prediction. Baron and Ian are in matching magenta hoodies tonight. Wrong. Uh text on both hoodies reads, "I'm with homie and has a finger that points in the direction of the other person." For real though, Coleman Carol, stop the slop 28 ticket. I'm a down. I'm down as long as he'll be the president and I can be the vice president. I think he's Yeah, he's old enough to be president, right? He's 35, isn't he? I notice he has no gray hair in his mustache. So, he's not much older than 35, but I think he's 35. So, I'll give him the top of the ticket. I'll be on the couch. I'll be in the pool. I'll just be flying around on the SAM flights visiting the world having a good time. Uh about to drop my story that Yanni New York City Harvard 6768 back to Israel for duty dies operation thunderbolt July 76 Barack help plan Epstein born New York City appears late 76 handwriting. That's a lot of stuff. I'm not following it but I do want to see that story. Um, so please send me an email with a link to that. I would like to watch that. um because I want to see you've been talking about it for a while and I'm curious to watch it. Very, very genuinely curious to watch it. So, thank you. Um, thank you for that. Thank you for sending that my way and I look forward to the opportunity to uh to see that regulators mount up. Just hit the end of Mrs. Candace on a mission trying to find ah hit the end of Mrs. C on a mission trying to find Baron and ENC. see in a car full of security G's. Ain't no need to tweak because we all know what's up with Harpole's integrity. Uh the 40omes know the beat. Yes, we do. We are Warren G fans. All of us just common sensing it. Thank you for that uh very very generous u donation. Yo, my favorite sleuth guys got the foyer sent for the signing sheets both buildings. Um now you go outside, you kid. Hey, uh thank you for doing that. We need more citiz when Ian was talking about citizen journalists at the end. This is exactly what he's talking about. Get outside, get your camera and start uh looking at stuff. Get talk to people, make phone calls, send text messages, file the foyas, bring it all to the surface. If you don't have your own YouTube, you don't have your own Twitter to break these things. If you have a Twitter feed and you break news and it's good, it's going to rise. I mean, people will figure out where it is. But if not, send it to a tip line, send it to Candace, send it to Ian, send it to me. We will get it out. We will get it out. Uh, love your show. My husband delivered a package to your house today. He got a picture with you and I got your autograph. I remember that. [laughter] Thank you for helping us find the truth. I don't know if you want me to say your name, so I'm not going to. But, um, hi. Hello. I won't say your name out loud, Nexi Angel. But, uh, yes, that did happen. and we took a nice picture and uh had a good chat. He was a great guy. Uh you got yourself a keeper. Hang on tight. Hang on tight. Uh Ian, do not let Baron touch any technology. See, and he was the one that came in on mute. [laughter] Baron, I'm being 31. At 31, it doesn't even hurt to sleep. That's the sweet spot right there. It really is, Rose. It really is. Um I woke up this morning and both my shoulders hurt and I thought, "How did I hurt shoulders in my sleep? I didn't do anything today. I'm here to bet green on the Adidas sweatshirt since he switched up and wore red to show his rage yesterday. I tried to drop in every show with 20 to support Real Baron podcast, especially since you're a real professional now. Thank you, Caitlyn. Uh I do appreciate that. Uh let me say something about that real quickly. Uh while we're going through super chats, often, not every show, but often I get more super chats than I could possibly read. And I want to be very sincere when I tell you this. I I love everyone. I do read everyone. I go back after the show. I promise you. I sit down and I read every single one. Now, and a lot of them I read while I'm going. Uh, but I cannot bring everyone to the surface. I had over 400 super chats yesterday. Um, I think I end up reading well over 200 of them, but I did skip quite a few because I can't get to them all. But what when you give a super chat, it will reach me even if I don't pull it up on screen and read it out loud. Uh, I do read it. I do see it. Plus, it is marked with a color so that as the chat is going by, other people will see it and it's preserved at the top so you'll get your message out to them as well. Uh, but just I'm telling you, I cannot pull up every single one. Um, but I do want to pull this one up because I am very dearly sorry. I kind of did make fun of your dead cat, but the comedy is worth it. [laughter] The comedy is worth it. And you forgave me, so it it worked out. uh on both it worked out on both. Uh was Martin Luther King Jr. also killed by an exploding mic or do we believe it was a 306? I don't know what killed him. Uh I do know that if he was hit by a 306, it did substantially more damage than it did to Charlie Kirk. It go look at the autopsy drawings. They don't have the photos, I don't believe, released to Martin Luther King, but they do have the drawing and the whole side of his neck is missing. So, I I just don't I don't know if that's the point you're making. How can Candace be helped legally to get Ben Shapiro to stop harassing her since he fired her? Uh, I don't think he can. I mean, he's he's free to to make parody content if he wants. He's free to appropriate her content for commercial purposes if he is using it for fair use under copyright law here in the United States. Um, he is free to use it for uh however it is. He uses it for um for uh um oh gosh, what's the word I'm looking for? For um I I don't even know the right word I'm looking for, but he's free to use it. Uh now, morally, is it shameful? Sure. Uh, you know, is it more horse behavior? Yes. Yes. Poor horse. Poor horse. But it's horse behavior. But now he's got he's on it. Alex is on that horse. Gary blinking Gary's on the horse. I mean the that the horse is doing so much work right now. So much work right now. Uh with my two favorite commentary guys going max together. I had to send my first ever super. Truth is stranger than fiction. We don't Joe Joe because we know. Thank you Amy. That's a that's a different spin on the we don't Joe but we Joe. We don't Jojo because we know. Uh very nicely done. Very nicely done. Uh LQ overload coming. Gentlemen, start your engines. Yes, we had a big time. We had a big time. Uh for the Hiller reference last night, CrossFit, I got mad season. I got a U. So, I didn't know if anyone would pick up on that Hiller reference. I don't even remember what it was. Oh, I know what it was. It was me uh going, "Is that true?" [laughter] Uh I'll be honest. Hey, this Mad Season, this is for you. When I was watching my subscription numbers, I I realized quickly that I was about to cross Hiller and it was a true moment. Like I had an emotional reaction. My Mrs. Coleman can tell you that I had a very emotional reaction to that because I had looked at Hiller is like somebody I looked up to. I love his content. Um and uh and that was that was interesting. That was I I don't believe Charlie faked it. This person says Charlie faked it. He sees Hunter looks the master key. I I don't I don't think Charlie faked it. I think he's dead. But there is a question in my mind, and I'm not I don't know that everybody believes this, but there is at least a question in my mind whether or not Charlie knew something was happening and then someone took advantage of that to take him out. I don't know that. I have explored that mentally. This is a this is a mental exercise for me. I don't know. No know, but I but I don't even know. I It's possible Charlie thought he was in on some kind of faking and then he was taken out anyway. That's possible. I' I've explored it. I'm not saying it's even more than 50% likely. I'm not saying I believe it. I'm just saying I have mentally run through that exercise. Mentally run through that exercise. Best night ever. Love Ian and Baron. Well, we love you living for his glory daily. That's a fact. Hey, Baze. God bless you both. You and Ian, God bless you both. Uh you guys are fantastic. Thank you, Baze. Very uh very kind gift. Uh so excited. Thank you for doing this collab, watching both of you to support you both. Well, thank you. Just say Julie. We we like that kind of proflegate uh internet bandwidth consumption. As someone who considers themselves an an agnostic atheist, an agnostic theist, that's an interesting uh I've never heard of that. I I'll explore that in just a second. The way organizations like TP have commercialized faith in Christianity is disgusting. They are capitalistic performative Christians who use the faith as a shield from criticism. Uh let me explore real quickly the um the idea of an agnostic theist. So a the Latin A means without. Gnostic means knowledge. I am without knowledge. Well, if you're without knowledge of whether or not there's a God, you are without belief of a God. You've not yet been convinced there's a God. So, you're an atheist. [laughter] No, I mean, it sounds ugly, but it's just, you know, logically that's how it flows. It's it's it's axiomatic that if you're without knowledge that there's a God, then you are without belief in a god because you can't believe in something you don't know exists. So, I've never heard someone describe themselves as an agnostic theist. That's a little different. Um, but I'll allow it. I'll allow it for all those a book. No, I'm just kidding. Uh, thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you very very much. Uh, on the Grumblers, the Grumblers got a super coming in. Nice key lime pieced hoodie. Please look for an email I sent of shrapnel passing through CK's legs. Slow down. Great collaboration with Ian tonight. You guys are doing the Lord's work. Well, thank you. That was very kind of you. That was very kind. And I'll look for it. I'll look for it. Real barren podcastmail.com. real Baron podcast atgmail.com. Uh, let me see here. Um, yeah, there it is. Real Baronodcast@gmail.com. Don't forget to subscribe to the program. Subscribe to Ian as well. Subscribe to me. Hit notifications. Hit like uh subscribe, like, notifications, all that good stuff. Oh, and don't forget you can you can do that. I don't want to say it too loud on the air, but you're more than welcome to do that as well. That's a way to support the program. Uh two of my favorite homies. Well, you are two of my favorite homies, Abby Landis. Uh, Ian is definitely one of my favorite homies. And now you have been elevated. You have been elevated to the game. Uh, family of 10 stacked like sardines on my bed watching our favorite YouTubers. Wouldn't trade it for anything. Well, thank you, Daily. You sure do appreciate it. Very, very kind of very, very kind. Uh, fired my 300 6 yesterday. Ain't no blanking way, bro. Yeah, that's the way I feel. Highway Nikki, that's the way I feel. I fired a 300 6, also known as a cannon. [laughter] Also known as a cannon. Uh, favorite podcast is finally together. Love this. Thank you. Well, thank you for joining us. Thank you. Um, again, I if you guys don't join us, it's just Ian and Baron talking to each other, and that's not very fun. That's not very fun. But when you join us, the whole show takes on a different dynamic. Uh Charlie's neck was pierced by his necklace pendant. Totally unexpected reason for the Fed's sloppy aftermath. The one thing they couldn't plan for. Um, so like 50% of me believes his neck was pierced by the pendant and 50% of me believe or like 48 49.44% 44% of me believes that his neck was pierced by something else under his shirt. Perhaps a shape charge coming out of the uh microphone. I don't know. I just know it wasn't a 30 out of six. I know it wasn't 3006 because I'm with Highway Nikki. Ain't no way. Ain't no way. Ain't no blanking way. Uh Charlie's Neck. Oh yeah, I just read that one. That's right. obsessed with this duo. Well, thank you, my newfi sisters or Newfi sisters. Uh, this might be 10 fat tinfoil hat territory. Well, you've come to the right place. [laughter] Crash and burn. Anytime you want to put on your tinfoil hat, you just come on in. The water's warm over here. Think Erica and JD Vance might secretly be brother and sister. They look identical, both from Ohio. A lot of people from Ohio. You really think that? You really think that? That's wild. Hold on. Erica and Erica Kirk and JD Vance side by side. Let me let me check this out. Uh get some images of them side by side. I will let you guys watch as I look side by side. Let's look together. Uh Eric Kirk and JD Vance side by side. Well, that one kind of actually they both have kind of pudgy faces. Um, you know what they both remind me of? This is going to be ugly and I shouldn't say it. My wife would tell me every time I say out loud, "This is going to be ugly and I shouldn't say it," that I ought not say it, but I'm probably going to. They both remind me of like really fat kids just dying to get out. like deep inside their body. Like they're both pretty good-looking people. Uh they're both pretty fit, you know, in shape, but both of them just seem like just screaming fat kids banging banging on that skin suit like, "Let me let me out of here. GIVE ME SOME OREOS. [laughter] I WANT A WHOLE STACK OF OREOS. GET ME OUT OF HERE, PLEASE." [laughter] That's what they remind me of. I don't know if it's true or not. I don't know if they're brother or sister or not, but they both have that kind of thing going for them. Uh, the podium shadow at Amfest confirmed it. Erica has a tail. Yes. Yes. I promised Ian I would wouldn't do Erica's voice tonight. I promised him. I told I said, "Hey, you if you come on, I will not do Erica's demon voice." And he said, "Deal confirmed." So, I'm going to stick with it even though he's gone. Uh, has there ever been a grieving widow in history that one asked to be videotaped crying over her husband a casket publicly shared? That was creepy and weird. to repeatedly lie about her husband's murder. Also creepy and weird. Uh not fire or sue her security, his security. Hold please. Hold please. Uh sick monster. Well, I'm not going to comment on that last two words, but uh I think the the not fire su security might be a little premature to guess that. But the the lying and the the I'm sorry, guys. The that was weird. The whole the whole like whispering to his coffin while somebody's videoing you with an iPhone 20 or No, I mean, come on. That's weird. That's weird. It's even weirder if they weren't like surreptitiously doing it with an iPhone, but they had like a, you know, one of those whole cam cameras on a gimbal and they were walking around and they're like, "Lean in, lean in. Really put your hands on top of his head." Oh yeah. Get in there, good girl. It's like It's like a really bad Only fans like Necroilia had a kind of feel. It was creepy. Absolutely creepy. Uh, I'm like watching on blank deck speed. [laughter] You can't watch it at that speed. You wouldn't be able to understand what was happening. [laughter] It would tear up your uh your feed. No, no. There's no internet service that provides Blake Nick speed. No, no, no, no, no. Uh, you two and Candace and Tucker equals truth. Can y'all run this country, please? Happy to do so. Happy to do so. I'm serious. Thanks for doing what you're doing. only trust you for right now. Now listen, if we're going to do that, if we can have Ian be president, I don't want to be vice president anymore if we got all these people involved. Um, we're going to put Tucker over the CIA. I'm just saying that's just where we're going to put Tucker. [laughter] Tucker gets CIA. Uh, I'll take the Secretary of State. I would be the best Secretary of State this country's ever had. Uh, and we could put Candace at uh I want Candace at the Department of Defense. That's that's the lineup I want. I want Candace as the Secretary of War. I want me as Secretary of State. I want Tucker Carlson as um as CIA. Oh, let's do ODNI. We'll give him the big job over there. He'll cover all the security agents. I'm just messing around. I just know that's the stick. Everybody says he's in the CIA. So, I thought that's funny. Um, and uh and and Ian can be president and we'll just leave vice president open. No, because then we don't know who's the speaker of the house. We're going to need a vice president. We'll put Colin in there. Coach Colin, you're Are you free for the next eight years? [laughter] You're going to be the vice president? Uh, is Ian single? No, he is not. Uh, Baron's bad cop energy and Ian's savage tech skills are priceless. God bless both of you. Yeah, that's a pretty salty combination to be honest with you. We had a great conversation today in prepping for that show. Um, and it was I thought that, you know, I think there's a lot I think there's a lot still on the table on Charlie Kirk that that is going to come out that we've not there's a reason we recap today. There's a reason Candace recapped yesterday. Things are about to I think kick into hyperdrive here. I'm so into Baron Ian combo sassy and classy Baron with the chill and smooth and epic broke collab. Uh, thank you. Yeah, I thought I was on my best behavior, by the way. I was on my best behavior. Everybody wanted to see me lose my mind in front of Ian and embarrass myself. I waited until he got off the air to do that. Not going to do that in front of the president, the next president of the United States. Uh, president, president Carol. Um, actually, you know what? There was a Carol, Charles Carol of Carolton. He signed the Declaration of Independence. If you remember, he's the only person who signed the Declaration of Independence that put his address on it. Charles Carroll of Carolton. Uh, wonder if he's related to Ian. If not, Ian could tell people he is. You know, I basically a descendant of a guy on the Declaration of Independence. Of course, I should be the next president. Uh, my dad was a ballistics expert. I grew up handloading rounds and bullets when I was 13. We shot World War I 306 with a range of loads. Even the light rounds we loaded to condition me to the caliber were devastating. Uh, yeah, Tamara a 306 is a um is just devastating. Uh, hey Edge, how you doing? Bro Lab checking in. Uh, hit that like button people. Not a moder associated here. Uh, but respect. It's respect and free. Yeah, hit the like button. Um, and again subscribe to both channels. Subscribe to both channels. Ian has um Ian has done so much for this program. We're at 10,000 likes over here, so we'll allow that. Uh Ian's done so much for this particular program. I can't even begin to describe what he's done. Uh he's been fantastic, and I would not be here today without him. Uh certainly wouldn't be full-time without him. So, uh his help and guidance every step of the way has changed my life, honestly. Uh Erica Projo Kurt. Now, I don't know what Proojo means. We're not call We're not going after people that way. Maybe the kids are Maybe that's like 67 or I don't know what that means. Uh this is the state of the union for podcast. I emailed you today a banner I designed for the 2028 presidential run with you and Ian. Thank you both. As Moralda, thank you as Moralda. That's very kind of you. U but again I'm I'm going to be the secretary of state. So uh Baron, I went back and watched Erica Kirk's sitdown interview. She's the queen of not ever answering the question she was asked. I would love for you to show how you'd handle this if you were cross-examining. Again, we've talked about this. The cross-examination requires ground rules. And when you're just interviewing somebody, you don't have the ground rules. And so, it'd be very difficult for me to hold her to any kind of standard of cross-examination. I I don't I I don't know the answer to that to be honest with you. I'm a former USMC ordinance expert and when I heard the frangible round story, I knew it was propaganda. This innocent doctor is the one who had this idea of a bullet that turns into powder. The doc would know the real CK wound. I'm not sure that's true. Uh, Haley Lua Hav, I'm not sure that's true. I'm not sure it was the innocent doctor who had the idea. I think that the idea might have been put in the doctor's mouth against his will. Uh, the real Jesse on fire. Well, I watched the real Jesse on fire. Is that really you? Uh, just to add on to what Baron said, audibly the difference between the relic rangible rounds uh, I purchased and any of the modern rounds we tested was enormous. Hard to estimate how many FPS were lost, but a lot. Still cut through meat and bone easily. That's excellent. Excellent feedback, Jesse. Thank you for that. Uh, love your show. A regular watcher. Try to catch as many as I can. Probably 90% or more of them. Um, so thank you for checking in with us. But yeah, I um that's a that's a that's an interesting tidbit there because I thought originally if you guys got brand new frangible rounds, people would say, well, you know, he was using granddaddy's World War II frangible rounds. Well, what you guys did was use granddaddy's frangible rounds. And I mean, you just crushed whatever it put in front of it. Um, so thanks for checking in, Blair. Blue cheer never never wanted to say too much. Blue, you know what blue cheer is? Blue cheer is the guy at the dinner party who doesn't say anything. And you have no idea if he approves of anything that was said or if if uh if he's just like dominating the meeting. Is this some secret serpus agent that's gotten in? Is he going to is it subtrauge a foot? Uh Baron, contact me about the Tennessee explosion. I have expertise that disproves the Tennessee on-site narrative. How am I going to contact you? That's the thing. I mean, you contact me. I can't contact you. I don't know who you are. Uh, but if you re email me at realbaronpodcast@gmail.com, realpodcast@gmail.com, I will be happy to talk to you about the Tennessee narrative. Uh, do it quick because there's going to be some developments on the Tennessee explosion in the next, let's say, two weeks. So, email me soon and we will uh we'll get that squared away. Could you do that for me? Uh, trauma are in here. That wound was a tear. Anyone familiar with assessing patients will tell you that wasn't caused by a bullet. From the beginning, my brain knew an object tumbled into his neck at the jugular. Well, I think some people are saying maybe the bullet yawed and tumbled into his neck, but I don't believe that's true, particularly if it's a 30 out six. Why am I so afraid to deep dive that he may be alive? Because I don't believe it. I don't believe it. I I have seen the images. Uh I have talked to people who saw him dead. I've talked to people who talked to people who saw his body being prepared for burial. I mean, it's just it's too many people. Way too many people. He's not He's dead. He's dead. Uh, I know people who were there and said it was like a firework that went off and something shot across the sky or fell or something like that was something that was reported. Um, can you get them in touch with me, Alyssa? Can you have them email real@gmail.com and in the subject line put eyewitness and I [snorts] will open that email and read it and get in touch with them. Will you do that for me? Thank you. Uh, Baronian, watch clip from internet CK files. Slow it down to see something in his shirt first. Yes, the back of his shirt first. Number eight, MP4. Well, I can't play that on air. They basically banned all of them. Uh, but let me pull up and see which one number eight is, cuz I do have those right here. Okay, I see what you I see which one you're talking about. Um, I think what you're seeing is an artifact of I think what you're seeing is an artifact of the whatever caused his shirt to move so rapidly. I don't think it's cavitation and I don't think it's something moving first in the back of his shirt. I think there's something that directed energy to the back of his shirt and you saw his shirt go back and you saw some maybe some uh you know camera pixels frame to frame aren't as true as we think they are. When things move super fast, cameras get a little confused. And I think that's what people are confusing for cavitation. Ian, you can't ever do away with a stash. Not only is it one heck of a stash, it's a trademark. I bet you have a 5:00 shadow twice a day. Uh we actually talked about that today. I kind of told him that. We talked about uh we were talking about it in the context of Cabbat Phillips shaving his beard and uh he was like, "Yeah, you know, if I ever shave my mustache," he's like, "Dude, you cannot shave your mustache. Like for better or worse, that baby is you're like John you're like uh uh the the John Bolton. Like John Bolton with the walrus stash. It was here to stay. Ian with the Ian stash. There's really nobody else that has one like it. That is here to stay. It's going nowhere. You better just get used to it. Uh Baza, I love the Jokes. The Joe jokes so much. There's no way. We will let the Charlie Kirk invest in Investigation. Joe, I will forever Joe Max enjoy the NZ bucks. They are worth doodoo all thanks to whoever that is. Hassenda ar name hardware store. I don't know what name hardware store means, but thank you for the NZ box. For a camera gun that the purpose would be stealth and not to appear as a gun. Eject a cartridge after the shot doesn't make the most sense to me. I'm going with ABS plastic, too. Love what you guys do. Thank you, JWB. I am pretty confident that's AWS plast, excuse me, ABS plastic that's falling from the tent that that Ian was Ian did a great job with that video, by the way, to keep it uh keep it clean. Make sure there was no Charlie Kirk in there. Yeah, just a piece of plastic falling from the top of the tent. I think he did a great job with that. And it looked to me like a ABS plastic with a little shine on it from the light coming through the top of the tent. So, um, um, this is a high IQ live chat, people. High IQ live chat. Keep that in mind. Thanks for all you do. It's a Oh, it's not a bug. It's a feature. I thought you were saying it's a bug. It's not a bug. Yeah, I think it's ABS plastic, but also a feature. ABS plastic can also be a feature. So, yeah, not a bug, but a feature. Uh, they used, let's see here. If you look at the opposite side of his neck right prior to the wound in the beginning, I thought it could been been an entrance. Now, it looks to be another fragment. Okay, I'll allow it. I'll allow that. You thought it could have been an entrance. Now it looks to be another fragment. Okay. In the beginning, I thought it could be an injured. Now it looks Okay, that's fair. I'm trying to think of Yeah, I'm trying to think of the video you're talking about, but I I think I agree with you. It's not an entrance room over here. Uh, nice. Oh, I've already read that one. Oh, I thought I had a new grumbler in there. Uh, please, I sent you, please look, I sent you an email. 6:20 p.m. video evidence. I'll check it out. Dual trigger mechanisms involving involving both Harple and Cutler should be seriously examined in military detonation detonations that require absolute success. Backup triggers are critical. I I'm not saying that this is a Hollywood squib he was wearing, but in Hollywood squibs, a lot of those require two detonators. I don't know if you guys knew that. And the and the idea is the actor also will be holding a detonator so that we know nobody's going to activate it without his knowledge. So um that would explain dual detonators if they had some sort of similar trigger device. Google corateed artery rupture from electrocution and necklace. Original plan was electrocution from wired mic and exploding mic to be chest wound. Ruptured artery was unforeseen. I'm not I'm not too far off of that myself.

To be honest with you. Not too far off of that. This really shape charge is some kind of explosive. Then Erica's affinity for pyro technics is even more sinister, guys. The the lightning bolt on the tent is the worst part of this whole thing. Let's just be honest. It does not get worse than the lightning bolt on the tent. Period. End of story.

I sent you an email about the many lives of Eric Kirk series by Coupe on YouTube. I must see, in my opinion. If they keep shoveling bull butter, we're all going to need some serious throat coat. Love the show. Go Max. Yeah, it's a ton of bull butter coming out. I will. I I've seen something similar, like a compilation of all the lies, but I'll I'll be happy to check it out. I might even play it. Been a long time since I counted down the hours waiting for a podcast. This is great. Thank you for caring, caving Ian, and thank you, Baron, for making it happen. You guys make the country a better place.

Yeah, we've been talking about doing a live together for quite some time. It's just hard because he's always on the run. I've always got obligations going on. It's hard to find a night when we're both free at the same time. Like maybe I'm free at 7:00, but he's not free until 6:00. Uh, you know, or he's only free until 6:00, or he's good in the afternoon, I'm good in the evening. But tonight, it actually worked out. He did have to jump off a little early. He had somewhere to be. He's a very busy man. He had somewhere to be, but um, it was great.

Question regarding research in this case. Is it a red flag for an LLC certificate of reinstatement to be signed by an attorney not affiliated with a firm listed as company contact or listed as a registered agent? No, not at all. Um, people can have any attorney sign those types of documents. That they don't have to be affiliated. That doesn't that doesn't raise any red flags to me.

Uh, Whammy Paruk 4680 tip. Look into Erica's mom's company. A tech. We've looked into it. Having contact duty. We've looked into that. Harding testing. Yeah. Yep. Familiar with all of that. Uh, thank you for the generous donation.

Just so everyone knows, a World War I Mouser was a German gun. The 3006 is an American round. The old Mousers were chambered in 8mm Mouser, not compatible with a scope. They're loaded from the top with a stripper clip. How is that now just coming out? I'm looking it up. So, Mouser, they're saying it's a 98 model. Mouser. Mouser 98 3006. Nope. The internet disagrees with you. A Mouser 98 in 3006 is a classic robust bolt-action rifle blending legendary German engineering with the popular American 3006 Springfield cartridge, often found as original sporters.

Um uh let's see here. In World War I, uh Mouser 98 was Germany's standard infantry rifle in World War I, but it was chambered in 7.92 x 57 8mm Mouser, not 3006 Springfield. 3006 was an American cartridge. Sounds a lot like you, Wolfy. Though commercial Mouser 98 sporters were later made in 3006 for for markets. Oh, so you're suggesting it was not, and Gemini agrees with you, it was not potentially a World War I gun. Well, that's worth exploring more.

Uh, dynamic duo right here. Yeah, we were doing our best, guys. Keep working. We're trying. Charlie deserve justice. Agreed. Our little village is the best. We do have We do have the best little village. I believe Eve, those were not the same contract number era. Ian says a D. Baron's last three digits were different. Yeah, we were looking at two different contracts. He was looking at one from September of 20 uh September 23rd of 2025. I was looking at one from uh May 1st of 2025. Those are two different contracts.

I foyed information for accurate energies. I'll send you what I get. I'll send you what I requested. Might not be relevant, but it's technically not a contract to purchase order. I'm not familiar with the difference. So, a I did I email you back during the show? Are you the same person I emailed? I saw an email during the show. Uh I responded to it. And the difference is like a contract might be for say $5 million and it might say in the contract that if you want to spend money against this contract you have to fill out individual purchase orders and then you would submit those purchase orders for approval and then they would allocate money based on that. So that's the difference.

Um, check out my YouTube pick Carol Coleman. Stop the slop 28. Have a bunch of shirts viewers of these would love. You guys rock. Best show on YouTube in shirts. Carol Coleman, stop the clock. I like that. I don't know why Ian's so much bigger than I. He is bigger than I am, though. He's a massive dude. Uh, best show on YouTube in insurance.com. Uh, yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Uh, very generous of you to come up with that and offer that for the folks. Offer that for the folks. They paved the area where Terrell Farnsworth stood. [laughter] I don't know if you meant that to be funny, but it was hilarious. I don't even know if you know how funny that is. That's great.

Uh, you two, Clint and Candace are spot on. Deogatia, thank you. Uh, thank you, Alex. Got mittens. It's probably pronounced some wildly crazy crazily different way than that, but that's how I'm pronouncing it tonight. If there wasn't a rifle, could you trigger the mic by a faximile gunshot through the PA? Any loud noise like that would be an abnormal input to that road. I'm not familiar with that mic, but I heard they're pretty sensitive.

Um, they are sensitive. They have processing capabilities on it. So, I don't I don't I don't know if sound would be what would would trigger it. I know there are things that can that can detonate by sound. And so, that's um that's not unheard of. It's not unusual, but um whether or not the um electrocution is correct first or the explosion under the shirt is correct first, if either or both of those things is true, they could be triggered by sound. But probably more likely triggered by some sort of electrical impulse. If I had to guess. If I had to guess.

Uh, thought you'd like to know that the gay bar closest to the Pentagon is 270% busier than it normally is tonight. Well, that means the Pentagon is empty. [laughter] That means there's no that must be a TP USA event in town. Uh, pizza actual pizza sales also have a big spike. Now, sometimes that means certain things, but the the the the gay bar inverse coralate is when the gay bars around the Pentagon are empty, emptier than usual, then we get a strike of some sort somewhere. And the inverse coralate, the inverse of that is if the pizza sales are busier, meaning the to-go orders of pizza around the Pentagon are busier, we also get a strike. So, low gay bars, high pizza, strike. High gay bars, low pizza, no strike because they're not eating pizza in the Pentagon. They're out.

Well, I love seeing truth tellers come together for a greater cause. Candace will always be number one. However, maybe there is hope from humanity after all. Maybe may God continue to bless and lead you both. You know, it's not many people that would be proud to read a comment saying you're number two. [laughter] There there's someone truly better than you and you'll never be better than that person. Not a lot of people would put up with that, but I I am humble enough to appreciate your kind words.

Um, yeah, this is that that's the contract we were looking at. Purchase from Tennessee plant made by Crane. Yes. Prefix. Yes. Uh, not only does the prefix order, it actually says it in the contract. Have you opened it? Uh, naval surface warfare crane. We've talked about that. Yeah. Dated 5/1/25. Yeah. So, this is You may be coming from me and I'm not sure who's coming from where. We've talked about that a lot on this program. I don't know if Ian's gone into the uh that purchase order, but we've gone into that pretty pretty in-depth. And so you you are feeding back to us a lot of what we have fed out uh into the community. But thank you for your uh now you you watch our program living for his glory daily. I think I've seen your comments.

Baron and Ian, why are you two not discussing the clear evidence of serious financial fraud involving TPSA Hoffman Ber Farnsworth names and more that Zach Deg Gregorio has uncovered? Because I've told you just like our good friend Jason Goodman and the drones, I only have so much time on a daily basis. We cover a lot of material on this program. I cannot possibly cover everything that's been unfolded or or uncovered in the entire world. I just can't. Nor will I try. The show will get muddy. I bring two or three topics a night and we and we look at those for anywhere from 50 minutes to 90 minutes and then we the next night we'll talk about a few more topics and the next night a few more topics. Sometimes I got to circle back and sometimes I got to do five shows on the same topics. And and there are other people doing this like you mentioned Zack De Gregaria Gregorio um Wolves in Finance uh Danks DKS I don't know if you saw his video on YouTube he did a great deep dive into the um into life insurance policy. So there are other people doing these shows. It's not like I'm not like it's not being covered.

Uh looks like very shady business practices at UVU based on that lengthy list of repairs maintenance you were showing. Very cool. Well, who could be? You know what, Max Frost, dig into it and find some, I'd be happy, happy to cover it. If you can uncover some of that and send it my way.

Baron and Ian, love the two of you. There's a video that had Butch in showing people looking all over the grass afterwards, looking all over and picking things up in the grassy areas, I think, including Terrell Farnsworth. Was that the Life is Driving video? Because if so, I have to give it a second look. I know Adam loves when this when this show covers the life is driving me. He loved that. That was great. That was great.

Baron and Ian, have you heard of the flock cameras? Yes, I'm familiar with flock cameras. Motion activated solar power cameras capture image of vehicle license plate. Uh Ben Jordan has a has a what? I say what? You have me ON THE EDGE OF MY SEAT. WHAT DOES BEN JORDAN HAVE? Tell me. Tell me. Why are you holding this back for me? Are you one of them? Are you working for the other side? Are you a spy? I need to know. [laughter] Looks like you hit uh enter too soon. But yeah, I'm familiar with flot cameras. Sure.

Uh almost a 50% like to view rate. Well, those are rookie numbers. Let's get them get the numbers up. You guys go click that like button. Uh oh my gosh. Serious bro crush times two. Well, thank you, Ivan. wife made me shave my Ian starter stash. [laughter] You had a Ian starter stash. I would love to see that. Uh dip early from triggers live three-way. Danks AI FT fire. Yes. Yes. Uh he'd make a great beta tester. Web Web is dope. I don't know if you guys have seen Web. Kra Source investigation is legit. Go Max. You cra you crammed a lot in a $20 comment. I mean that's a whole lot like seven different topics. Uh I like Trigger. I like Danks. Um, I enjoyed his his show. I I not I was not familiar with him until a couple days ago. Uh, but I like his show quite a bit.

Uh, not sure if this even relates, but did you see that AES was awarded a contract with the Department of War of 120 million in September 2025? Yeah, that's what we were covering. Was it 120? I thought it was like seven, but yeah, that we were covering a September contract. Uh, change your show to Grin and Baronit. Ooh. Ooh. Don't dislike that at all.

NSA has a massive facility in Utah and Oracle has offices there for their cloud. Makes sense. It would also be a hub for the CI, first letter of the alphabet. Uh there's that self-censoring they were talking about earlier. This is more exciting than Spider-Man and Wolverine team up. Time to take America back, boys. Yes.

You know, can I confess something, Henny? You know the last superhero movie I saw? It was the 1990 Batman with Michael Keaton. I saw that in the theaters. The 1990 movie Batman with Michael Keaton. And I've seen it like 10 times. That was the last superhero movie. I I missed all the Marvel universe. I missed all the DC movies. And I am a Batman fan. I like Batman. I used to watch Batman the Allen Adam West Batman when I was a kid. I mean, it was on replay. It was like on Nick at night or something. Yeah, I used to watch that.

Uh, maybe Tyler Robinson is a perfect psy intelligence school, but who also was knowledgeable about electrical work, aka capable of executing an electrocution, perhaps. Maybe he is guilty of murder, but not in the way we're being told. Interesting. Interesting. I don't know how he would have access to the sound equipment and all that kind of stuff, but I'm not ruling it out. I mean, I'm willing to hear you out. Willing to hear you out.

You spoke with my husband today. Oh, that's Aaron Tea Party. Excited for you guys to collab. Hi, Baron. I sent you all the Emanuel Beer stuff last month. I remember that. That was good stuff. You guys are doing great work. Glad to be part of this high IQ outfit. Yes, Ian is part of the high IQ outfit. He absolutely is. And no question in my mind, it is a high IQ outfit when Ian shows up.

Uh, hey Baron, looks like an AES employee will be my first interview. Do you want to help with my list of questions? I think something is hiding there. Um, that's amazing, Adam Thomas. How did you pull that off? Um, I could I could do that. I could do that. Uh, email me realbarpodcast@gmail.com. I don't I I would have a few questions. Are you going to do Let me ask you this. Are you doing a pre-in? Email me real@gmail.com. What I'd like to know is, are you doing a pre-in? I would like to sit in on that and then I will watch you do the interview, but I would love to sit in on the pre-in which I think if you're not doing a pre-in you should every every interview on like that of an AES employee. If you're not talking to them before you go on air, you're missing a real opportunity to to really dig deep and figure out what's worth following in the show and what's what's worth discarding.

Uh Ian, no Twitch, bro. Bro Stacy 500. Uh Ian will be enthralled with your generous contribution to his efforts. So uh thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And um that's great. Thank you so much. Uh did I already read this one? Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Hold on. Ah, please. There we go. Oh, where am I? How did I end up up there?

Uh Ian is at Lance is at Clay with Charlie. What's Klay? C L A I S. Should I know that by now? A city in France. In France. What makes us think uh uh Ian is in I mean uh why do I keep saying Ian? What makes us think Charlie is in next to the do? I don't understand French. Like if we're being totally honest, I don't understand French. They just mutter. I was watching um what's his name? Uh Bridget Mcronone. I was watching Breijit Mcronone give an interview about the 10 people she had arrested for talking bad about her on on uh on X. And the whole interview was like she never moved her mouth. It was like And don't sue me because I have no idea what I just said. Don't sue me, bro.

Uh, here we go. Uh, best I can tell, Bray started the mic chatter on 9/17 and had it pretty solid soon after. So, two week for the plant. Oops. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It was pretty quick. It was pretty quick.

Baron, longtime fan, first time super. Well, thank you. Welcome to the program. Uh, would the Bond Dogs have picked up any scent from this explosive? Not an expert here. Me and my mom are massive fans. I know she's watching. Hi, Mom. Crisis King. Hi, Mom. Not my mom, of although my mom might be watching. Hi, Mom. Um, I think bomb dogs I'm getting mixed reports on whether a bomb dog four months later would still pick up a scent. Some people are telling me, "Oh, yeah, they can smell anything." Some people are like, "Bro, it's been 4 months and they paved over the scene." like calm down.

Uh Baron, did you watch Steu Peter's interview with Mitch Snow? I did not. Curious your thoughts. Um I'll probably check it out. Also, I think Lance changed his name to Joe. [laughter] You're rocking the lime green hoodie. Hallelujah. Yes. Yes. Loving the lime green hoodie. Heather Ray. Um Oh, I've got a new color on the way. It was supposed to be here today and it did not make. So, maybe tomorrow. Uh although I don't think I'll be on the air tomorrow. I think it'll be Thursday before you hear from me again. Uh, don't forget subscribe to both channels. Ian's and mine. Don't forget to like the video and don't I don't know if his channel's still up. It may still be up. He may maybe me I got free reign of Ian's channel. Oh, bro. He has no idea what he did. He left me in charge of his channel. I'm not going off tonight. I'm not shutting down. I'm going to talk for 40 hours. I'm filibustering. I'm going to get out the phone book and be like, "Let me read you a few pages of the constituents in my district." [laughter] I love going to the uh the rich senator voice. Uh no, I did not watch it, but I might. But I might.

Tyler and Lance were members of the armed quirs. Uh went to a buzzards and bees meet up where younger members met with older military to frolic. Have you seen this video? Armed quirs. We're at UVU on 9/10. I've not seen that video. Feel free to send it to me.

Um, Thernovich. Oh, you're talking about his his uh the way he says his name. Uh, love you guys. Changing the world. Well, thank you. Trying, Sherry. Trying.

I'm befuddled by Mitch. We mods need clarification on Mitch in the chat. Real Mitch now joined again tonight then left. Three account accounts have claimed to be him. Also, did you watch Stup Peter's episode with Mitch from yesterday? Uh, yeah. No, I didn't. I just had that question a second ago. Um, I don't know which one he is. I know one of them at one point was him because he emailed me and told me he was in the chat and then I talked to him and we and I unless somebody does a really mean Mitch Snow impersonation. I know I talked to him and he actually h texted me tonight while I was on the show. Um, oh, oh, okay. Yeah, he texted me tonight while I was on the show.

Uh, new weekly podcast, please. Coleman and Carol, I doubt that's going to happen weekly. That would be a big commitment. And, uh, it's hard enough to commit your own show on a weekly basis. As a mom of eight, I prayed for Trump and rallied for change. This year has been deeply upsetting and has weighed truly on my heart hope for real change in the future. It's been a tough It's been a tough year for a lot of us. Uh frankly, been a tough year.

Ian, you're getting the uh you're getting the salute. Uh that was awesome. Thank you both for an amazing show. Well, you're you're welcome. You're welcome.

So many similarities between Tyler and Coberger. Top of class, took classes in intelligence, shy, awkward, both charged with murder, no concrete evidence, and many unanswered questions. I am really befuddled by that Idaho case. You talking about Cober, the Idaho case. Is that right? Um I I'm really befuddled by that. I I have to believe it was not random. I have to believe it was more than like jealousy or, you know, some kind of mental snap. But I I can't put my finger on what it is. I don't want to start speculating out loud. I have something in my head and involves one of family of one of them and I I don't want to just speculate out loud just to do it.

That was fun. Thought you guys were going to discuss Vegas. Uh did I tell you we were going to discuss Vegas? I don't recall that. Um but yeah, he had a great episode with Vegas on Tucker and um with the Vegas topic on Tucker's podcast. But uh I ought to have him on and talk about Vegas because I've done a lot of Vegas uh research in my life and did a lot of shows on Vegas back in the day and that would be a fun one to go down. Maybe I did hint about it now that I'm saying that out loud. It sounds like I just said it yesterday, but I didn't mean it [laughter] because it didn't happen.

Uh love the Eden Baron live. Hope y'all do more. I agree with y'all's theory that Tyler Robinson may be a willing psy duped participant in the plot. Saw George W clip that Tyler Robinson and Rosy for eight years leading to CIA recruitment. Is this true? I don't know. I don't know. I, you know, I follow the people I follow. I have certain people I follow. Jesse chimed in tonight. I watch him. Uh, I watch Ian, obviously. Candace, obviously. Um, I like Colin. Colin gives me good recaps. Um, and I watch certain videos of other There's more people I watch. I don't know why I'm blanking on some of the things, but there's eight or 10 people I watch. I just don't have time for more. Just don't have time. I watch Tucker. I just don't have time to add more people um into the mix.

After hearing Ian read the background of the woman who developed the CAI program at USU, it kind of gives a new meaning to we huge in the Balkans. Great show. We're massive in the Balkans. I mean so big in the Balkans. People don't even know how big we are. Unbelievable. Sent you an email, but check out UVU footage by Life is Driving on uh Tyler Robson or lookike and be Yeah, it's a lookalike. Can he set up the No, I I would go back and look at that. But I have a feeling you're talking about the same people I've already looked at. I don't recall the time stamps off the top of my head. Um, the answer is no. I don't think that's Tyler.

What does a MSAD chief do after he retires? He goes on to be a director at an energy company that is moving to the US, of course. Uh, Yosi Cohen, Doral Renewables, about to start construction of a solar farm in West Texas. Why? Hey, help me understand. Well, I mean, I'll give you the innocent version. You got to do something, you know, and he found somebody that's willing to hire him and so he took the job. I mean, that's like the innocent version. Now, we can all speculate why a member of u the intelligence community of a foreign country should have access to critical electoral infrastructure in the United States. I don't think they should. Would we let the intelligence chief of France have access to critical infrastructure or Germany or China or Iran or India or Brazil? I mean, where do we draw the line? How about we just say nobody with foreign ties to foreign intelligence agencies may have access to American critical electrical infrastructure. That's fine with me. No water, no electricity, no gas, no pro, uh no coal, no nuclear. Where what else? Uh what are some of them other industry? No cable television, internet access, no critical utility infrastructure. That's that's that's when I'm secretary of state. Ian's going to be president. Candace is secretary of war. So she'll enforce it. Colin, vice president, feet up on the couch.

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Uh canate 11:04. Baron, the area you showed Charlie might have burns on his torso is right where defibrillator pads would be placed. Was Charlie defibrillated to the hospital? This was well before he made it to the hospital. This was exactly 26 seconds after the big bang and that I saw that image or the image was taken 26 seconds after the big bang. I have stitched together enough footage to be able to then I can actually see the photographer taking the photo. So, no, he this is not a um this is not a defibrillator pad. Not at all a defibrillator pad.

Uh Stevie, I think he I think the horse comment just pushed Ben over the edge. Ben is the ex-boyfriend that can't move on and see succeed. Uh maybe there's always danger in the blind belief. That is why we see what we see with so many NTP. Woo, that kind of rhymed. That's why we see what we see with so many NTP. A note on the Joe thing. It's better to be It's better to be better than to be as bad. Just food for thought.

Man, you got away with words, sir or ma'am. Many of us would rather you not read all the super chats. You can end the show and be with your wife and children. Your family is part of what we love about you and the ultimate priority. Uh but but I I understand that. I genuinely like the super chats for a couple reasons. One is it gives me the opportunity to interact with people. Two, I get an opportunity probably three to five times per show. Something in the super chats will cause me to stop and give explanatory context either to something I said earlier, maybe something I said to another show or something else going on outside the news that I've not yet covered or some kind of ground rules or why the show runs the way it runs. So, I understand what you're saying. Um, and maybe as time goes by, like if I had $4,000 super chats, I could still only read so many. Um, and obviously if someone donates $100 or $500, I'm going to pull it up and we're going to talk about it. Um, now the the $1, $2, $5, I get to as many as I can, as many as time will allow. Um, but if I have again 400 of them or 300 of them, I might get to 20 or 30 or 40 because um, time just doesn't allow me to get to every single one. But yeah, I'm I'm glad you actually said that because to me interacting with the super chats is the most enjoyable part of this program. I get to talk to you. Like even if you all agreed, hey, we'll send you the same amount. Just don't read them. Go spend. My family understands that this is the part of the show that drives me to want to do this. I enjoy talking to people. I like hearing. I like feedback. Now, maybe if I've been doing this show with the same audience for 10 years, I don't want your feedback. I feel like I've got it pretty much under control. But right now, most of you are watching me for the last few months. That's it. Thank you for the feedback, though. I will run it by Mrs. Coleman.

Uh, did you see the hand devices being released on scene? I don't know what that means. I might have uh went shopping with me. Haha. Great episode. Oh, I went shopping. We went shopping with you. Bel Jar water drinker. Uh cheers to that, man. Two of my favorites together. Very well done. My grandma graduated from Notre Dame. Grandpa taught chemistry at Purdue. I'm sorry to hear that. Uncle lawyer in Leaport. Love Hooser Land from Arizona.

Um, yeah, as an as a lifelong Indianaer. Um, I give Purdue people a hard time. So, I'm I'm sorry about your uh grandpa, but everybody else dynamite. Dynamite. Uh, it's very odd. We hear nothing from Charlie's parents about all this. They are totally MIA. How do they feel about Erica? I have noticed the same. I've also wondered Arizona has weird rules of succession. I don't know if you've noticed this Arizona um estate succession. I think they have very very weird rules. Um I have to go back and look at it. I've looked at it before and I I wonder if there might be some hard feelings between Erica and and his parents about that.

Authenticity and truth unites in a pro. I'm a progressive liberal and believer. Left and right narrative is eroding and we're seeing the scop for what it is. Please, please get rid of the center top photo if I is who I think it is. Replaced with the King of Kings, JC. Now, um, I don't have an 8.5 x 11 glossy photograph of um, Jesus. And, and if you'll notice, that's the motif I have back here is 8.5 x 11 glossies. If Jesus comes back and sits for a photograph or is taken a candid and it and I can get an 11 x 8.5 off of Amazon to put into one of these frames, I'll be happy to put it up.

Um, you don't have to agree. You just said the left and right narrative is eroding and we're seeing the scop for what it is. Don't fall then into the scop of believing if I do or don't like a certain politician then you and I should somehow be opposed. That's not true. I voted for this man three different times. But you want you want me to tell you something, tasteful tea totler? Congratulations on your sobriety, by the way. You want me to tell you something? I have more in common with you than him. And you're a progressive liberal. I have more in common with you than him. Why? Cuz we're not billionaires. Probably. If if you're a billionaire, let me know in the comments. But I have more in common with you. I have more in common with the most far-leftwing, you know, girl with a septum ring, purple hair, hairy legs, uh, man-hating than I do Donald Trump because she knows what it's like to have to check the bank account before you run to Kroger and make sure you've got enough to get everything you need for the week. She knows what it's like to say, "Hey, the kids need shoes." But we also have to call the air conditioning repair guy and one of the toilet flappers is running. So, that's going to cost $15. And we've got to figure out how all this is going to work. And guess what? We've got this bill due. And we've got that bill due. And you know what it's like. I know what it's like. He doesn't know what it's like. And so, while I might like some of his politics less and less as time goes by, um, he doesn't know what it's like to struggle to pay bills. And I've raised eight kids through various income levels, and I know exactly what it's like to to open up the checking account and go, you may spend $211 at Kroger because we have to leave a $100 balance in there. That's all we've got. So if it's 212, you've got to put something back. And so I have more in common with you than him. So don't let the left right divide. Don't fall into that trap. Don't fall into that trap. It's us and it's them. It's us and it's them. It's not It's not them, you know, you against me. Not at all. Not at all.

Uh hey Baron, you seem to know your way around the Bible. >> Well, I mean, got one right here. Uh, did you follow a structured plan like the Bible in 365 or is there another way you'd recommend for studying it and getting around? If you are, great question. If you are completely unfamiliar with the Bible, if you are if you're starting at at a pretty much um what's it what's it called here? I want to make sure it's right. Yeah, this is this is the this is the tutorial for you. This is the um Bible in a year podcast with Father Mike Schmidtz and Jeff Cavens. So uh this is the one if you this day one in the beginning if you are unfamiliar with the Bible even if you're pretty familiar with the Bible unless you got like a PhD or something this is a great place to start. Protestant, Catholic, it doesn't matter. Yeah, there are some days that have a little bit of a Catholic bent, but most of it's pretty down the middle. Um, you know, when they when they get to the the parts about, you know, like the angel visits Mary, they're going to be a little more Catholic about Mary than probably if a Presbyterian did it. But, uh, it's pretty down the middle and it's a fantastic one. So, if if you if you're just starting out or you have kind of a medium understanding, go there. If you have a pretty good understanding, but you just want a great Then it's the Navar Study Bible. This thing is dope. Uh the the Navar Bible. Here's the New Testament expanded edition. Um oh, let me get all the popups off before I pull it up for you. This thing right here is dope. We have uh the Navar commentary even. So, you can get the Navar Bible or you can get the Navar um commentary. the the commentary is like a set of I don't know 30 books or something. We also have that. So that is that would be a great thing for you. So it just depends on kind of where you're starting where you're starting. But yeah, uh both will give you a pretty firm understanding and if somebody mentions something you'll go, "Oh, I know what they're talking about. Know exactly where that is or I know about where that is."

Uh amazing collab. Thanks for all you do. Well, thanks for all you do. RPM87. Uh, Baron Coleman for president. I told you, Ally, I don't know that I want to be president. Ally, don't try to force this on me. Don't try to force this on me. I don't know that I want to be president. I think I would rather be Secretary of State. Secretary of State is the dopest job of all time in my opinion. In my opinion. Go out there negotiating on behalf of the American people. Are you kidding me? How awesome is that?

uh requesting permission to become a p a member of the tinfoil hat IQ club. You're welcome. Come on in. If you don't own a tinfoil hat, you know what I saw? They had a um they had a almost like a Faraday cage beanie to begin with. Tim Tim Pool needed one, but they they had like a Faraday cage beanie and um and they uh it it was remarkable because they've really modernized the whole tinfoil hat. [laughter]

Uh let me see. This is a good one. Hi Maron, love the show. Are you still convinced Brian convinced Brian Harpole's alibis regarding Fort Hua are legit or at least that he boarded the flights he bought tickets for? I missed an episode or two. Yes. 100 Well, I don't want to answer yes to all of it. I will say he 100% boarded the flight from Salt Lake City to excuse me, from DFW to Salt Lake City. I believe that. I believe he could have been traveling with a companion perhaps. That has not yet been disclosed. Um, so there's that potential. But I do believe he was on that flight. It was I think it was scheduled at 1:42. Might have taken off at 1:48 on September 9th. That does not mean he has an alibi for 7:00 in the morning in Arizona. It just doesn't mean that. It means he was in Dallas at 1:42 p.m. Now there's seven six seven hours between those two events, right? Five, six, seven hours. So there's time to move about the country. But um yes uh but that doesn't so no I'm not convinced about his alibi. I am convinced he was on those planes. I 100 well 99.44% convinced he was on the planes.

So proud of you Baron Ian is fire and you two just nailed it. Man I knew he would nail it. I knew he would. Of all the people I get suggestions for. You should do a show with so and so. You should do a show on so and so. And I'm sure he gets them and I'm sure Candace get everybody's getting them right. I would love to do a show with Candace. Uh I know I saw on her show today she mentioned that uh that we probably would do it on a Friday coming up pretty soon. Um I would love that. There are some other people I would love to do a show with. I'd like to do a show with Nate because I think we have enough differences of opinions on things. Candace and I have some differences of opinions on uh Charlie Kirk related. Uh we've talked about them. Um you know we you what do you think of this? Well, I think this why actually I think this and they didn't always line up. So, um I think that makes good content. I think it like Ean and I disagree on a few things. If you agree with everything somebody else says, well, you might as well just hear from that person. But that was great. I thought tonight was fantastic. Ian's fantastic.

When he first sits down, it looks like he moves something under his shirt. What is it? Go back. So, I'll have to go back and look at that. Uh I know where I can find that. not high IQ enough to be worthy of your show, but we sit in awe of your knowledge and comedy. Thanks for all you do. We are so proud of you. You are certainly high IQ enough because you're watching and participating and you're saying good things. You're not saying things like how you supporting Mitch and that's just telling you what Mitch said. Not vouching for 56 years of Mitch's life or however old he is. Uh, I'm sure Mitch has had ups and downs like we all have. Uh, thank you Wendy. Very kind words. Thank you for the generous donation as well. Uh, just paying my free speech tax. Thanks for all you do. Uh, Diane Mooneyham, you have been a phenomenal commentator. Uh, yeah, commentator and commenter. Uh, but I'll say this is uh, commentary that you provide in the comments. Uh, you've been a good commentary, a good commentator. Uh, and um, you've been a a a reliable friend of the program. So, thank you.

Uh, Nostradamitch's prediction. A great man struck down by thunder. Lightning bolt on the tent. Sounds about right. I'm not a Nostradamus guy. I think I have a Nostradamus book over there somewhere. Or I did at one point. Not sure where it is. I used to have a book of all his predictions. I may have loaned it to somebody and they didn't give it back. Or maybe hiding. I have like multiple levels of books back there. It might be hiding behind another book, but I used to read him and try to divine all these things from him and what does he mean? What is he saying? And then I realized he just it's bull butter. He's just saying stuff.

Charles Carroll of Carlton was not only the sole Catholic signer of the Declaration Independence, but also had the most elegant signature IM O uh Charles Carroll signature on Declaration of Independence. Let me take a peep at this. Let me get my Oh, what a beautiful signature. Wow. That's a work of art. Yeah, I will show this. You are correct. You are correct. Look at this thing. This is a beautiful signature. Yeah. Charles Carroll of Carolton, the only one that put his address on the Declaration of Independence. In other words, hey, King, you want a piece of this? You know where I am. Or maybe he was into the queen. [laughter] You want a piece of this? You know where I am, girl? I don't know what Charles Carlton Carlton said back then. It'd be like, "Doth thou wanteth a piece of thy hiny. Thou shalt find me at Carlton, Maryland."

Uh Baron, great show tonight. Got blocked by Dan on Twitter. Guess he didn't like being called a scumbag that protects pizza. Oh, who among us? [laughter] Who among us would like to be called that? Uh, Mr. Lamb Rocker. I live by a guy named Lamb who is a rocker when it doesn't look like you. I just zoomed in. Um, I wondered if you were he. Um, no. I uh I don't think he would like that. I don't know what's up with Dan. I don't know why he's taking this. Maybe he thinks it's like how he he's supposed to reintroduce him. This is a weird take. It's a weird take.

Uh Ian, you were there when they were doing that construction. Have you gone back through your photos and footage to see if you could zoom in and spot any of those little black pieces? Love that you guys are live researching this together. Well, I will take a picture of this and send it to him. I did not know that's when he was there. He was there that soon. 4 days after. Is that true? Is this true? That's my hiller shout out again. Uh thank you. Uh uh Louise Doss, thank you. Very, very generous donation. You guys are very kind.

Erica's uncle Jack Solomon and Norman Elvance had SEC fraud brought in 1983. While interesting facts, I'm not sure about the relevance to the Charlie Kirk investigation, but I am open to hearing more should you want to bring more to the table at realonodcast@gmail.com. Love the show, podcast duo, the whole shebang. Erica Kirk, devil voice, devil tail, and hair jokes are hysterical. Thank you. I promised not to do the devil voice tonight.

Uh semi- new fan super uh new super got my mom to subscribe. Donating to your dog's toy fund. Well, I will put that $10 to good use for the dog. Uh looks like you got a Is that a dog? Yeah. Now you guys don't understand how small this screen I'm staring at is. You'd be shocked. Um Yeah. See, I got to have the screen in front of the camera, and I can only be so big. Otherwise, the camera will be out down here looking down at me. Um, the camera's got to be able to see over the screen, right? Uh, yeah. Okay, cool. Um, I am not going to do the devil voice tonight. I mean, maybe at the very end of the show. [laughter] Maybe at the very, very end of the show.

Uh, Candace on Boyer. Erica said that in old interview she was introduced to Charlie by Boyer and then again with her mom in Israel. Then again Tyler suggested her come to an interview with New York Tyler Enma. I think we've established Erica's stories change quite a bit. I that's my guess. I think Dan never quit. He's going home to work from home to bash you, Candace, Ian, etc. They know they've lost everyone and feel Dan is the best weapon where all else has failed. I have suspected that that he's not really leaving the employee of the FBI. I have suspected that that he's going to come out bombthrowing because they got they got in there and said Ben Shapiro is not the guy we need out there convincing people. We got to have you, Dano.

Uh would love a collab with Jason Goodman. Anything you have Vegas related would be awesome. You're a breath of fresh air, Baron. Well, thank you. Uh crispy chips. Love how you're willing to consider all perspectives, no matter how odd. I am I've been I mean I honestly am a very curious person. That is the basis of my show. I don't know if you guys have figured that out. Those of you who've been here for years watching me flail around on podcasting and and decades or more or more than a decade watching me on radio before that, you may have understood that by now. But some of you newbies don't understand. The whole premise of this show is I am insanely curious why I like talking to people. If you ever meet me in person, all I do is interrupt you and ask you questions and it's annoying the hell out of a lot of people, but you'll be talking about something and and now I'm ready to move on to the next one. But I'm gonna keep asking you questions. So, where'd you grow up? Where'd you go to high school? Did you go to college? Where'd you go to college? What did you do out of what did you get a job out of where did you go work? I mean, I just And it's not that I'm being rude. I It's It's intense interest in other people. I'm very interested in people's stories. I Everybody has a story. I have a story. You have a story. Next person I pull up, who is this? Just common sense it. She has a story.

I learn a lot during super chats and enjoy them. I always stay on the end because I don't

want to miss anything. See, I just learned something about her. She likes conversation. She's a conversationalist. I bet if you went to dinner with just common sensing it, you would have a blast. You'd have a blast. Grab a couple of friends, three, four of you guys go to dinner, just common sensing, it will keep the common keep the conversation going. Why? She's insanely curious. She likes hearing what people say. She likes hearing the super chats. She likes hearing the responses. I would love to. I I see her black and white picture there. I don't know anything about her. I'd love to ask her story. Where'd you grow up? Oh, you grew up in Kansas. Is it as flat as they say? Did your family work in corn? [laughter] Uh, that's great.

Um, but oh, oh, back to here. Yes, I would love a collab with Jason Goodman just cuz I love his personality so much and I've been listening to him for years. I bet I've been listening to Jason Goodman for 10 years. Almost. Almost. I would do that. Uh I just heard you say it. The big boom could be detonated by an electrical pulse. An EMP to be specific. Something Erica's mom was working on with the military at Fort Wuka. Jesus loves you. Uh Jesus loves you too. Well, I think she was working on hardening systems to withstand M uh EMPs. I don't think she was working on creating them. I could be wrong. I don't know everything she's done, but um look, do I Let me just put this out here because I I I sense a lot of people thinking there's an Erica Kirk mom angle to this whole thing. Do I think Erica Kirk's mom's weird? Yes. Um do I think Erica Kirk is weird? Yes. But I don't know. I mean, I think we know all we're gonna publicly know from Erikica Kirk's mom. Like, there's no more You can't direct me to a website to learn more about her mom. And I I think that's that's where sometimes audiences stop. They get to the point where we've exhausted everything we can possibly know by website. Floating in the air right here. um that we get to where everything we can possibly know by website has been exhausted and and um and then we stop and and and they and a lot of people don't take that next step.

So, okay, we we know about her work at uh E3. We know about the different companies she'd had. We know about her work with um the geo fencing company. We know about her work with different defense contractors. We know about her work with the Farnsworth. know, we know about all this stuff. And then people just are like, "Well, did you know this?" Well, yeah, I know it, right? And I'm not making fun of you. I'm I'm just saying that I'm suggesting the once we've exhausted the the open-source intelligence available to us. Now, it's time to pick up the phone and start calling people. Now, it's time to start getting some shoe leather on the ground. I'm not always that guy, you know. Then and the beauty of having 35 36,000 people watching tonight uh with Ian and and me live and the beauty of it'll probably end up with, you know, half a million people maybe between our two channels or more seeing some portion of this. The beauty is that that's half a million people. Somebody's going to have an idea. Wait a minute. What if we I know a guy who knows her. I know a guy who grew up with her. Let me call him. Oh, I know a guy who used to work at E3 Tech. Let me give a That guy a call. He left in a huff. He He might be still mad and want to say, I mean, you just never know. So, we raise these issues, we talk about it, and then we sit back and see what comes back so we can synthesize and go one step further. And that's not me like like I'm aware of the EMP discussions. I'm aware of the the products, but it's like I if we're going to keep talking about Lorie Frans, we got to go one step further. We have to get into outside of open source and into shoe leather reporting. So, you know, George Webb takes a lot of slings and arrows, but at least he's standing in court in front of courouses talk trying to talk to people whether or not they'll talk to him.

Uh, money talks with James Ruer. I pulled this up on purpose. A lot of you are here because of James Ruer and you don't even know that. A lot of you are here because of James Ruer and you don't know that. Why? Because when I did my very first Charlie Kirk show on um on the Google Trends, James was one of the people I was talking to helping to put that together. James, I don't know if you wanted me to tell you all that. And then James was out there sending those episodes to people on Twitter like, "You should check this out. You should check this out. You should check this out." And I watched my subscriber base start to go and I watched my live views start to go up and then I watched Ian Carol take and this whole thing is taking on an entirely new existence because James Ruer James James deals with money. If you have a bunch of money, you need to call him because he'll help you protect it. James, great guy. Uh, y'all stop with the replace the Trump photo. I'm not always a fan of DJT, but the man has done more for the US than any president in modern time. Roll that beautiful bean footage.

I um pulled that up for a reason. Yes. Yes, I agree with you. Um I don't have to agree with everything he's done. The vaccine schedule reduction alone that he did. Now again, what always happens is we get the headline and then days that follow we get the truth. We'll see if the truth holds up to the headline, but the headline looked great. dropping from 70 uh 72 down to 17 total vaccines on the schedule for kids. If that holds up, if that's truth, if if you know the health outcomes, the the improvement to health globally in America is going to be so massive that that alone might like justify all the the thing. And it's not like had Camela won, you'd have gotten a totally different outcome. So I you know you take what is it Justice Brennan said you take the bitter with the sweet. Uh now we're talking Catholic we're talking Catholicism now I'm interested. Yeah. What? James good Catholic. James a good Catholic boy. Harpole lied on Sean Ryan said no credible threats threats as of the day before the big bang. Yeah. Uh he lied about more than that. think in my opinion allegedly I think he's latigious but I think I think he might have uh uh got a really good one that said not to read on air but it but it was it was sweet talking about um talking about uh enjoying the super chats. So uh $5 for the shout out. Hey, money talks James. know, [laughter] go talk to James Ruer. Look him up. You'll find him. You'll understand what I'm talking about. Uh he has a way and you can't be poor and call him because he, you know, takes money to make money, but he has a way to to help you not lose money during during tough economies.

Uh sidebar, I got my mom hooked on your show and she bought me The Art of Cross-examination. [applause] My mom is clearly not a Joe. That's a great book. It's it's it's old and so it's got, you know, early to mid 20th century writing, but it's great. You'll be hooked on it. You'll absolutely be hooked. Uh, always an awesome live. Thank you, Baron. And Ian, everyone like the live on both sides. Yes. Oh, everyone like both shows and subscribe to both shows cuz what I'd love to see is this particular show with the two of us hit new heights out there. So, subscribe to the Real Baron podcast, subscribe to Ian Carroll Show, and uh and like both of them. That will push it to the al to the top of the algorithm, and we will um you'll be great.

Uh I find the exploding microphone intriguing, but that hypothesis falls apart when you question how a microphone on his right side strikes the left side of his neck. Not necessarily. I mean, if the microphone uh So, so this was the hole here, right? I don't know if the screen's reversed or not, but this was the hole. We'll say this is the hole and here's the microphone. If it stayed here, I would agree with you. But if you'll notice in the first few frames, it comes all the way over here. Like that magnet comes all the way across and then you see the damage and then the magnet comes back. So I don't know that I necessarily agree with that analysis, but I'm not married to any of this. I am raising it and looking for smart people like you, Chug, to come in and discuss whether or not it holds up. Uh, do you think it's possible that being that that being Tyler dropped out of college and was a third-year student in the electoral apprentice program, is it possible he's the one that tampered with the microphone? No. No, I don't think it's possible at all. Uh, news is noise to cover the truth they're trying to distract us from, and they call it action, so we don't do anything. Yeah, that's that's also what Q was. That's what Q was, a distraction. So everybody sat around not doing anything.

Okay, Vegas, I listened to the live event uh listened to the event live via Broadcast and later reviewed the archive after Ian show. More than half the police communication are gone. Your laugh still makes me Jojo laugh. Oh, I did not know that they were taken down. I'm I'm hustling because I have to go to I have to pee so bad. It's been three hours. Uh I started with this giant coffee right as we were going on air because I was very tired and uh and it you can you can't buy coffee. You can only rent it. Such a great show, especially tonight with Ian never ceases to amaze me. Your all's insights and research. Well, thank you. Thank you. That is very kind. That is very kind. Seeing Ian Vegas is on the brain would be noteworthy if there were Jacock employees from Fort Bragg staying at Mandalay Bay that night. Um, that's interesting. That's interesting. Uh, you you you'd have to enlighten me on uh on the more about why that would be important. born and raised near a city you have mentioned a few times. Well, I've mentioned a lot of cities, ma'am. A lot of cities. Uh, but again, see, she likes conversation. She is a conversationalist. Uh, great. We've gotten James arrested. [laughter] Now the FBI's knocking on his door. Um, Harpole Alibi. Glad it's impossible for intel agencies to provide doppelganger with fake ID to board plane for him if they needed him at a meeting. Uh, yeah. Okay, that's possible. I got you. Okay. Yeah, somebody scanned Brian Harpole's tickets. I cannot say the real Brian Harpole scanned. You're right. You're right. You know, but they do take your photo when you go in now. I wonder if that's foyable. I don't think it is.

Uh, we're getting down towards the end here. Oh my gosh, Baron, you're my brother from another mother. Thank you, Victory Base. Happy to be that. I wanted to be an attorney or child psychologist. I do not want to be a child psychologist. Attorney's fine because I'm insanely curious and ask millions of questions about details that no one else would probably care about. Love your show. Yeah. That's what makes a good attorney. That's what makes um a uh a good journalist. That's what makes a good parent. That's what makes a good child. Um it's what makes a good plumber. It's what makes a good accountant. It's what makes a good um uh interior decorator. It's what I mean. There's almost nothing you can do in life where being insanely curious won't be an advantage. I mean, there are a few jobs perhaps, but it it helps. It helps. So, thank you, Victory Base. Uh thank you, Amy Early. Very kind of you to do that. Baron, I'm closing in on 150,000 subscribers. Quick, LET'S GET THERE. LET'S GO. I'm just kidding. Uh guys, I appreciate it. You guys have been great. I'm going to jump off here uh and get this uh get this show on the road. I appreciate you joining us. Um we will do this again. Ian was great to have on. I am not going to be on in all likelihood tomorrow. I don't believe so unless something massive breaks. Uh I've been on Sunday night, Monday night, and Tuesday night. Three nights in a row. I'm going to take a night off and I'll be back Thursday for sure. And I don't know about Friday, but Thursday for sure. Uh, in the meantime, don't forget like and subscribe both channels. Like and subscribe, Ian. Like and subscribe. Uh, Baron Coleman or Real Baron podcast, however, however you find it. And, um, share the program with your friends. That helps. Say, "Hey, I found these guys. They're great. You might want to listen to them." That helps a ton. And and the most important thing, the most important lesson every single night, Jesus loves