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Recording here. There we go. Um, so we had a tragedy happen around here today. We lost our itchy, and we've been crying all day long, and I'm still on the verge of tears. So it's going to be kind of a weird lesson. Might be a little bit short tonight, depending on how I can keep it together or not, because, um, he was pretty special.
So, does anybody remember? Sorry for your loss. Oh, we appreciate that. Um, animals, pets, they can become family members. And, you know, we have them for a long, long time. Sometimes we have them a lot longer than, uh, you know, relationships last. So, you know, human relationships. Well, uh, let's see. Can't hear. Let's see. Let me see here. Valentina, you can't hear anything. Uh, Valentina, look at your. I know that's like a phone. That doesn't make any sense. Um, look at, look at your settings up above. Oh, there we go. There we go. Can you hear though? Okay. Um, I can hear everybody else. I can't hear you. So look, look at the top and see if there's, uh, I don't think it's on my end. Um, maybe if you know, maybe if you hang up, like, hang up and then come back into the group. Oh, it says you're connecting. Okay, cool. How do I mute? Oh, I did it. I'm sorry. I've never, I've never done this before. So that's okay. That's okay. It takes a, it takes a little practice. Okay. We usually, you know, have at least a couple of Zoom moments in every class anyway.
So I wanted to join and I wanted to say hi. I've been following you for a long time. It's good to talk to you. Oh, yeah, you're wonderful. I think you're. Appreciate that. And I also wanted to send my condolences because I read your recent post and, uh, I had to put my cat down on Thursday. We had her for a good 12 years. She was like 16, 17. So. And I just, yeah, I don't know if you, I don't know if you did that already. Um, I'm so, like, it's the worst pain. Um, but yeah, and this is like a month after my father's passing. So she witnessed that. Goodness. Yeah. But I just wanted to send my heart out to you and also, you know, pay attention and tune in with you guys. Well, I appreciate it. Um, yeah, I think it's something a lot of us have gone through. It's, you know, pets just don't live long enough. That's why I love horses because the horses can live up to 35 years old. Yeah, the pony, she'll probably live to be 40. Wow.
So, does anybody remember where we left off? Um, I don't have a great, I don't have a great deal of, uh, brain power about me. Where we left off in the last lesson? Wasn't it Sun Mar that we left off on and then talking about other things? Was it Sunbars? Okay. Yeah. Um, and then I think we started to talk about other, other things after that. So what do you think, Stacy? Is that, would you remember? Touched on Sun Pluto and stuff, but that was just in conversation. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, uh, uh, Sun Jupiter is what we talked about today, and we'll see how far we get when it comes to other combinations. Um, so these are both fire planets. They are naturally trying to each other to each other. So in the good aspects between Sun and Jupiter and synistry, it's going to be a lot of fun. We're going to have a natural affinity when it comes to boosting each other's willpower, confidence. So that's a big one. Confidence can really be promoted by good aspects between Sun and Jupiter. With the opposition, however, um, that's where we can have overdoing it or over, um, sometimes over, uh, encouraging each other, and that's where we can get into a little bit of trouble. Um, but the conjunction is actually really, really fun. The people feel that there's a lot of agreement about how they want to enjoy life. The Sun and Jupiter both are enjoyment-oriented planets. And so, I'm sorry, I have a germ. Uh, another dog at the door is crying to get in. This is a dog I'm walking, actually. Um, he's a golden retriever. He comes over once in a while when the neighbors go to Hawaii. Um, he really wants to get in here. So there's an eagerness to be with each other. When we have the conjunction, we want to be in each other's company. We enjoy each other's presence. We feel that there's a little bit of a party every time we're together. And the confidence is greatly enhanced for both people. And that's always a good thing. When, well, but always depends on how narcissistic the Sun already is. But that can be a very good thing for the Sun person because it can make them feel like they're seen. Their applause is more than even they thought they would get from their partner or whoever it is that they have this with. This is a really good thing to have between parent and child because the parent has a lot of pride in the child and communicates that, and the child feels that they are validated, that they, um, that their, their parent is proud of them. So that makes them, you know, feel very worthwhile. Their self-esteem can be greatly enhanced by that. The trine and the sextile are very, very good. They're just less obvious. There's still a basic enjoyment of each other. We want to be in each other's presence. We like each other. The friendship is very, very good when we have Sun Jupiter easy aspects.
How about the square? Oh, okay. Okay. That's the, that's one little bit of a stinker out of all of them. Is it really? Okay. My Jupiter's in, uh, the last few degrees of Pisces, but I'm obsessed with Gemini Suns. But for multiple different reasons because my, my Moon is in Gemini, but it's just, it's just that's the hot spot. So that might be a good combination for you. It could be. Maybe that's just me in my own chart. But just a question. Um, yeah, that, that's interesting. That's one where we're getting into some amount of over-reactive or self-indulgence, over-reactive tendencies, self-indulgent behaviors between the two of us. We can't, um, exaggerate who we are as the Sun person. I'm sorry, guys. I have to get up and let that golden retriever in here. He is just not stopping. One second. Hi, guys. Come on. All right. All right. He's just going to lay down. He just has to be with me. Um, so there's a, uh, a heightened type of behavior that comes out of the Sun person as a result of the Jupiter person's influence. There's like more of their solar power or their show than. Can't hear me? Aspect is this with the square between Sun and Jupiter? Okay. Yeah, I briefly went over the sextile and the trine and then I moved over to the square. Um, if I'm really out of whack today, you guys just have to slow me down. So we are being too much, you could say, as this, as the Sun person and the Jupiter person, um, can really kind of pick up on that and, uh, their reactions that could further inflate the situation, inflate the Sun person's, uh, activities. You could self-expression, that's what it is. So this is one that when I think of it, I think of like a really, like somebody becomes a really extroverted Broadway star kind of personality. Like I, I love the attention. Everywhere I go, I'm kind of loud. Everybody notices me. So there's something obnoxious. It pulls something obnoxious out of how the Sun person is. And it, it's the Sun person often doesn't. I mean, they're not going to realize this. They're not going to understand that, um, they're sort of like, uh, pushing the limits or just being more of what they are in the presence of the Jupiter person. Um, it's just something that happens. It's like, um, if you, that's a good analogy. I can't think of a good analogy at all. Usually, I can pull up a good one out of somewhere. Um, so it's like, uh, you're just more of what you naturally are. And then, um, a selfishness often that the Jupiter person is driven to, it can bring out more of their selfish self urges. So, um, it's not an entirely, I want to say it can even be devoid of selflessness and it could be more of a selfish kind of thing that we're dealing with. Um, so yeah, that's one of the more difficult ones. The inconjunction is really interesting and it's not common in functioning relationships. It's really sad when you see an apparent child relationship. It really brings out the, um, the selfishness, the indulgence, or the decadence out of the Jupiter person. So the Sun person can actually feel that it, like if you have the Sun shining in the solar system, you have a really big vacuum over here, and the vacuum just kind of pulls a lot of that solar power out. Just kind of sucks it up into this big vacuum. Vacuum gets bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger because it has all of that. It's like a depletion of someone's solar power, and it's for selfish purposes. So there's something immoral because Jupiter is our morality, remember? This brings out the most immoral motivations or characteristics of the Jupiter person than almost any other aspect. Sun and, or Moon in conjunction. Now, is this? Yeah, Sun and conjunction Saturn, I would say it has kind of that evilness to it too. But the inconjunction between the Sun and Jupiter's kind of a nasty thing when you see it in a chart. You really want to be careful if you have this in any kind of business relationship as well, and you're the Sun person, because you could really come out on the short end of the stick. And if you're the Jupiter person, you really need to watch your Ps and Qs because it is like we are in the presence of someone that we know we can get away with stuff with. There aren't a lot of people who will not act on that drive. So, like, even if you know, like the holiest person in the world, the nicest, most gentle person in the world, is the Jupiter person, and they have some interaction with the Sun, whatever grain of selfishness or immorality is in that holiest of holy person is gonna come out. So it's almost impossible to to control it. You have to really know that what your motives are as the Jupiter person. Generally, we're lying to ourselves, and we have to really be honest with ourselves about, what do I want from this person? And what am I looking to gain? Jupiter's gain. So, oh, Jamie has something to add about this. She's experienced this as the Sun person. Had an unsettling feeling from the beginning. So yeah, it isn't something that we see in functioning long-term relationships, and it's sad to see it in family relationships. I have seen this in the charts of people who have been sexually molested by the parent who was the Jupiter. That's not an uncommon thing for me to see. It can bring that out in people. This is this self-indulgence and self-gratification at the expense of the other person. They, um, yeah. So what, why would that happen then? So what does the inconjunction do that it brings out something like that out of these Sun? Because it's an extreme aspect. It's an extreme form of, uh, of the relationship between these two. So the Sun is the, you know, someone's well-being and self-esteem and a lot of the kind of respect that we're looking for. And the Jupiter person is acting in a deeply, deeply disrespectful way. And so, what was the original question? What were you getting at? Well, what, what I actually meant is, [Music] I think something is normally like something, um, like irritating or something awkward. So, um, I didn't really get, um, why is it, yeah, yeah, and why is it not like a good square or something? Okay. Injunctions have the meaning and the energy, um, of, of, uh, the 12th house. All aspects refer to a certain house, and we'll get into that when we get into aspects. We'll go into that in the next level. So it means that there's some amount of, of a Pisces-ian meaning to that interaction between planets. Sacrifice, misuse of pleasure, um, a giving up that, that is often occurring. So one person in synistry, we have inconjunctions, and often in the composite chart as well. When you have an inconjunction, you're looking at one person who has the extreme upper or lower hand in a relationship. This is why you want to be very careful between hard aspects between Mars and Saturn, especially in composite charts. Mars and Neptune as well, because that's when you can get into extreme abuse situations. Valentina, I have a question. How would you find, uh, who has the upper hand and who has, you know, who's the dominant and who's the submissive within, you know, um, a given situation within, within an inconjunction? We're just, I feel like what I'm trying to get at here is, I think maybe pertains to the push and pull of the planets in what position they're in, um, you know, on the natal chart or on the chart itself, in terms of how you read it, quite frankly. Right, right. So typically, it's going to be the outer planet person that has the upper hand in, or in an interaction. The inner planet person is going to be more personally, personally, personally affected by that. So, but you also want to evaluate the natal charts because if we have, like, an extreme, extreme personality situation, we have one person who's extremely dominant, one person who's extremely submissive, that's going to tell us a lot about who's going to play the role. Say, in a composite chart, where we have an inconjunction between Mars and Saturn, and we have the potential for extreme, like, uh, I'm going to put it like a sadistic behavior between the two of us, and it can even be sexually sadistic behavior. It can really pull out the extreme desires of one person at the expense of the other person. So that would be like one of those situations where, say, you have a husband that I, he like likes to do something to the wife that the wife tolerates, wife puts up with, but it's somewhat humiliating or extremely humiliating to her. That would be a classic Mars Saturn in conjunction type of situation. So, yeah, you have to be really careful when you see some of those hard aspects from Mars to Neptune as well, because that will also bring out some extreme, um, Martian behavior mixed with extreme Neptune behavior, which is submission and, uh, aggression. Okay.
[Music] Uh, well, I'm talking about actually, I'm sorry. Um, so yeah, so for example, it's not about me, but for example, if someone, I have Pluto in conjunction with Neptune in in a chart, in my chart, in my natal chart. So, let's say someone has in a synistry called a composite chart, let's say Mars Neptune in conjunction between two people. And if you have like, such an inconjunction already, like a Mars pattern in conjunction or Mars Neptune conjunction, for example, like examples that you gave, like how could that play out then on top of that? Or so you have, so you're saying you have a predisposition in the natal that's showing up in the composite? Well, not necessarily, but yeah, let's say, for example, someone has Mars Neptune in conjunction in the natal, for example, like me. And if you see that pattern down again in a composite chart or in the synistry charts, like we're talking about now, what could we see then? For example, will that exaggerate? Yes, yes, you would see that the, the, the personality's disposition or the proclivity that we're seeing in that personality is finding a vehicle through the relationship directly. So it's like somebody who wants to hurt is in a relationship that contains elements of hurt. So it's a direct expression, often of what is going on personally. So we would want to be extra careful with seeing that because we see that there's this potential in the natal chart that is, uh, yeah, finding expression with another person. And you would want to look at everything because there are some lovely people who are not abusive that have, you know, inconjunction between Mars and Saturn and Mars and Neptune, and, you know, they are definitely, you know, not violent people. See, when we look at everything, if you have that, like also, you know, those difficult aspects to Mars and Saturn and Neptune, but you also have some Uranus hard aspects, you have some Pluto hard aspects in there too, it's much, much more likely, or the Moon is involved, much, much more likely that we're going to have some kind of temporary problems. Huh? In the hard aspect to, for example, what planet? Anything if the Moon is involved at all in that complex of situation, then we have another part of the personality that's potentially unstable. So we want to look at it by weight. So, back to Sun Jupiter. So, yeah, the, uh, inconjunction, not the best thing to have. And beware if it does show up in a relationship. The opposition can be complementary, but we have to be careful about how we are encouraging each other because we can get into one of, one of those situations where if we have, like, um, two people who really love to drink, what are they going to do when they get together? They're going to encourage each other to drink. It's not the healthiest thing, but it's what makes us both feel good in the moment. So we can over-encourage each other to do things that are not always the best for us, not always the best moral decision. Tanya asks, what degree orb is considered an inconjunction in synistry? It's, uh, it's going to be about two degrees. Injunctions are very close, maximum of three degrees. Um, so, yeah, the opposition, we have, uh, we have to keep things in perspective and in proportion because if we are in encouraging, you know, what each other loves, but it isn't necessarily healthy, then that is a problem. Um, it can encourage us to do things that we didn't think that we could do because sometimes having that extra belief can be extra fuel for our fire. So there can be instances with that, that opposition can be helpful, but we just have to be careful about what we are suggesting to each other and what we're promoting in each other and what we're encouraging each other, and just make sure it's within the realm of, uh, what's safe and healthy and good for the both of us. So irresponsibility can sometimes show up with that particular opposition. Does anybody have any questions about Sun Jupiter aspects? Hey, well, I actually had a question about like conjunctions in general. So, oh, you did? I didn't, I didn't finish talking about that. Can you ask that again? Um, like the question about inconjunctions? Yeah. So, will inconjunctions always be having that kind of influence as what we talked about? Like, so extracting the words out of someone? Typically, yes, that's going to be a thing that we're looking at. Um, they can be unusually beneficial as well because it's an inconjunction, it can be really nasty, but some inconjunctions are actually okay. They're, they're kind of serendipitous. Typically, though, the general rule is that they are showing an extreme imbalance in interaction between two people. And, uh, such as like an inconjunction between Venus and Jupiter is more harmless than other inconjunctions, because we are, we're giving a lot. It's usually the Venus person who's doing a lot of giving or paying or waiting or, uh, making the reservations, and it can be depleting. But there's also something about it where we both feel that the other person is so, I say, is so giving and so generous that it, it's filling us up. So although we're putting a lot out, we do feel like there's quite a lot coming back to us in the form of, you know, being thankful with gratitude, or we're having some amount of our love bank replenished. So it is an extreme form, though, because we're really, really kind of overdoing what we're giving to each other. Okay. All right. I just wanted to add that's just the beauty of Jupiter. Like, you're gonna get, I feel, because it's such a positive planet, even with such a negative aspect, you know, it's this give and take of, you know, um, but mostly, mostly the positives and the, the quality of Jupiter itself. Whereas if you had, you get my drift? That's okay. Feminism. It can, it can bring out a lot of good stuff out of us unless it's in conjunction to Mars, and then we have to be careful because that usually is where we, I'm sorry, in conjunction of the Sun, sorry, and we have to be careful. Okay. So let me pull my legs. Stacy, yeah, what is Sun quintile Jupiter like? Oh, good question. So there's, uh, there's always a sparkle or a charm to a quintile because they are dynamic, which means they require something of us. They're going to have to work out a little bit, but they're also coming with a bit of a given. So they fall somewhere between a square and a trine. There's a certain amount that's already working, but it's not completely boring. That's why they're so interesting. They're quirky. They are, um, uh, flirtatious. There's always a flirtation in a quintile. So there's a heightened flirtation between the Sun and Jupiter. So it's very much like the conjunction where we just feel like we want to be in each other's presence. We bask in the rays of each other's attention. But there's some amount of squareness in there where we can be dealing with some amount of tempting each other or some amount of selfishness that can be mixed into it. It's not, it's not simple like, uh, an easy or just a hard aspect. There's something in it. Think of it like, um, uh, like a flirtation where we have some amount of banter between the two people where, uh, we're even, you know, acting a little bit less interested than we may be because there's just kind of the sexy tension. That's what we get with quintiles. There's always sort of the sexy flirtatious tension between them. And that doesn't happen because everything is flowing easily. There's some kind of pushback that's creating that tension there. So it's really good for the Sun person because they can feel that their creativity is noticed, that their brand of them is encouraged. And we have to be careful though, because sometimes we can over-encourage. But being encouraged by the Jupiter person in a way that the Sun person can possibly reach their highest creative potential because quintiles are of the fifth house and it's to the Sun, so it's a very natural way for the Sun to interact with another planet in a quintile. So yeah, that can be really neat to see that. Anybody else have anything to add about Sun Jupiter? Jewel, can I ask you a general question about something? So I notice on astro.com whenever like I generate any synistry chart, there will be more aspects when I look at the aspects table that don't actually physically show up when I look at the picture, yeah, of the chart. So should I count those aspects, the ones that are in the aspects table, just what I see? Yeah, yeah. First of all, put in a 40% orb, okay, in your program because that will cut a lot of aspects out that look like they're there, but aren't actually there because they're too far out of orb. So always put in a 40% orb, 60% at the most, and sometimes I'll use 60 for composite charts, but usually it's going to be 40 or for synistry and birth charts. And then, yeah, um, I always look at the chart first and then I refer to the aspect grid, and if I see on something on the aspect grid that I didn't see on the chart, I'll look back on the chart to make sure it's actually there because oftentimes, you know, it'll show you that, you know, there's a triangle or a square between something and they're not, they're not in trine or square signs, it's, it's out of, it's not a sign, or it's completely out of orb if you don't have an orb in there. Does that make sense? Yeah, because like I've been just looking at random synistry charts, like my friends are passing out like their boyfriend's information, their kids' information, so I'm just looking at everything. I'm like, why is it that the aspects table always has like all of these extra inconjunctions, squares, and I'm like, so for example, like I was born in a Pluto Scorpio generation, so everyone that I know that is a Moon in Leo or a Moon in Aquarius, allegedly I have a square with all of them. And I'm like, I don't see it in the chart. So where is it coming from? I see it by sign, but I don't get where it's coming from. So that's what I want. Right. So I would shrink your orb and then I would refer to the grid to the actual, uh, circle chart. Okay. Yeah, sometimes I'll have, um, a client that sees something in their chart that's pointed out that way, and they'll be really in a panic about it, and they'll make an appointment, and you don't want to go over this, and I just have to break the news to them that they don't have that at all. There's really nothing to worry about there. It's not present in their chart. So it's not an unusual thing. Okay. Um, thank you. You got it. Okay. So, uh, Bae, you had something to ask? Yes, I do. Um, I changed my, um, things. Yeah. So, um, like one question I had, like, is about like signs and synistry and composite charts. Like, do they actually mean anything? Signs and composite charts? Yeah, I mean, like, for example, if the Sun, for example, you know, yeah, I know that we're not really talking about like composite charts, but for example, in a synistry chart too, like, for example, is, yeah, so that means, yeah, that's based on the natal charts, but yeah, like in the composite charts, like, do, so I don't pay attention to signs in composite charts. I think no one does, right? I, I think most astrologers don't. Okay. I'm looking at the geometry. I'm looking at the map. Yeah, and that's what I want to see. And why is that? Actually, why do these signs don't matter? I don't see that it doesn't matter. It's just, I have to, I look at it like order of importance or order of, um, I don't know, like, like I have to look at sessions with clients like in a way where I have to look at it through the lens of triage, right? To see what is the most important thing that I need to point out or or talk about. And it's going to be aspects that we are acting out between the two of us. And that will be more or less through the lens of the sign or through the, the action of the sign. And that can, it's a thing. It's not as important as the actual math though in a composite chart. So it's just not something that I spend a great deal of time on. I will talk about it here and there. I'll talk about, you know, the composite sign is coming through Aries and, you know, means as a team together, you're, you know, more impulsive together. And if that is there also with say, hard aspect to Mars, like the Sun in Aries with a hard aspect to Mars and to the Moon or to Pluto, I'm probably going to talk about the Sun coming through Aries in that case because we'll have more of a mutual acting on that Aries impulse that's already going on there. But the signs, and I'm not sure exactly why, but the signs just take a back seat in composite charts to the aspects. Yeah, because the aspects, like especially like in relationships, they are the, how do you hold it like the language, the action. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Valentina, I concur. I feel that it's more of the math, you know, it's the combination of the two. And, yeah, I don't look at the signs either. I wanted to ask if we did, we touch on, uh, Jupiter Sun square? Yeah, yeah, we did that earlier in the, in, in the beginning of the talk. So that was the one where it brings out the overreactive qualities in the Sun person. They can act out or act larger and be more self-indulgent in how they, uh, and put on their show, you could say. So, yeah. Um, anybody, does somebody have something to say? No? Okay. Let me check my clock here. Oh, I guess it went dead. All right. Um, so should we talk a little bit about, uh, you know, what maybe we shouldn't get into Sun Saturn? I'm not sure I'm gonna have enough voice for that after all. Why don't we just use our extra time for just general questions if you guys don't mind? And just, where's not? Doesn't quintile do anything for the Jupiter or sorry, a Sun quintile Jupiter? Does that do anything for the Jupiter person at all? Or Well, both of them would be enjoying each other. The Jupiter, that's where we find our joy and our enjoyment. And we would want to, to, uh, I would say to watch the Sun person to applaud them, but also, um, we can not be acting 100 out of, uh, selflessness. And it's, I think more harmless with the quintile than especially with the opposition or the square or the inconjunction. Um, so the Sun person is going to be somewhat more over the top or even overreactive in the presence of the Jupiter person. But it goes more specifically to helping them to refine their certain brand of me. So it has less sort of automatic negative effects than the square between the Sun and Jupiter. So I think it's a creative thing. Yeah, they, what were you saying? Oh, I was saying that I really enjoy asking questions and I'm having them. I had a question as well. Oh, but Tanya had also some questions. That's okay. Um, go ahead, Bae, and then I'll pick up the questions in the chat. Yeah, so, um, I was, um, wondering about like, um, well, my question was not really about synistry. So I think Tanya can go first if we have time left, then. All right, we'll come back to that. So keep it on your mind. Um, is it okay to ask about a Sun in conjunction Saturn? Since we talked about the inconjunction, and so we'll talk about that more as we get to that. I did make a couple of notes about that one. So there's, um, I'm going to put it like an unblendable factor between Sun and Saturn hard aspects. And we have the inconjunction between the Sun and Saturn. The Saturn person's ideas about what they want to become, their long-term goals, that's what Saturn is. It's what we're going to build over the long term. So their idea of success and stability and what it is to become someone that's really out of step with how the Sun person wants to achieve, like their best self. So we can feel that there's a mismatch of life goals or a strong disapproval that the Saturn person has for the Sun person. And it makes it harder to feel that we are going to achieve something together. So that's, it doesn't, uh, help the Sun person's confidence at all, that particular inconjunction. And then you had another question here. What is Jupiter square Ascendant in synistry? So the Ascendant is naturally of the, of the Aries quality, right? Because naturally Aries rules out the first house. So that first house will always have that meaning of, of, of, uh, action and of, uh, beginning things. So Jupiter in a square to the Ascendant, it tends to have that same over-encouraging or over-indulgent type of thing as Jupiter square to the Sun. The Ascendant is naturally a fire point. The Sun is a fire planet. Jupiter is a fire planet. We have a similar relationship here between these things. But Jupiter square to the Ascendant, some, sometimes the Ascendant person can feel that they are disapproved of because the Jupiter person's idea of morality or goodness, or oftentimes shoulds, that's different than how the Ascendant person is acting out or being themselves. So we can have some amount of difference when it comes to that. But it has that similar thread of, uh, indulgence or in, um, encouraging the Ascendant person in a way that isn't always within the boundaries of what's reasonable. So, okay, Bae, you had something. You got it. Tanya, um, yeah, well, I, um, a question like about synistry was popped up in my mind. So conjunctions, um, in synistry, do out-of-sign conjunctions, uh, count too? And you told about [Music] conjunctions, um, of the outer planets that the orb is quite small there. So, is that something like an out-of-sign conjunction in synistry? Especially, I'm sorry, I don't know myself. I don't consider them. Okay, okay. And why, why don't we consider that in, in, in home and synistry or, or like, why do you take the meaning of the conjunction out of things? Conjunctions are conjunctions because they are acting in tandem through the same, the same style there. It's like two actors that are playing the same role. So if we have two planets that are conjunct, but they're in different signs, say we have one at 29 degrees and one is zero degrees, they don't have the same way that they act. They may be sitting next to each other, but there isn't anything in common with them. They're actually in their semi-sextile signs. So it, it erases the meaning of why planets are conjunct in the first place. Does that make sense? Yeah, quite a lot, actually. And then what, what Tanya asked, for example, in a composite chart, um, would an out-of-sign conjunction count too? Because we don't really look that much to, um, signs there. Sometimes I will consider an out-of-sign conjunction, but not very often. Not very often. Um, but that is a good question. Sometimes I will look at that if we have like a Sun Moon conjunction, like they're right next to each other, but it's out of sign. That's a tough one. And I didn't used to look at that, but people have reported that they feel that I've observed that people feel that they have that affinity that you get with a conjunction. So yeah, sometimes I'll look at it, but it has to be damn close, and it has to be like, uh, a plan, a meaningful combination for me to look at that. Like, uh, you know, a Pluto Uranus, something. I'm, I'm not going to look at that as really holding that much weight at all. Okay. I think somebody else had something here. Let's see. Oh, okay. That was what, uh, Tanya had asked. Okay. Anybody else have anything else? Did you say Moon in conjunction Jupiter's really bad? Is one of the bad things in synistry? Um, did I say? I think I said Saturn. Oh, okay. I think, um, and yeah, we'll get to Moon aspects here coming up in the future. But no, that's not the worst thing to have in, okay, synistry. We could definitely have worse aspects between us. Valentina, you had something. It's kind of a complicated question. Um, I might have asked this before, but, um, I wanted to talk real quick, just real quick about in a natal chart, planets that are almost like at a cusp of a house, and how they, I, I like to, I faintly consider them. So, for example, my Moon, er, being at 21 degrees in Gemini, and where I do equal sign, like you do. So, so that would be my ninth house starting at 20 degrees of Gemini. So I, I almost, it's weird because it's my Moon, and it's, it's, it's so unconscious. So I, I tend to think that sometimes it behaves like an eighth house, but it's technically in the ninth. So, yeah, I don't know. There's, there's some kind of, um, interesting, there's some kind of like, uh, similarity, piggybacking off a base question about, you know, uh, conjunct, synistry or natal, where there's two planets and there's, and it's the sign itself, and it's right. I'm, I'm like, it's, they're kind of related in a sense, but it's different. But I tend to feel my Moon, you know, I gravitate towards things of the ninth house, like that's, you know, where it's going. But there's this sorrow of the eighth that kind of, not necessarily a bad thing, that kind of just behaves. It's, it's different. It's like a different entity. I'm wondering what the Moon is ruled by. Um, well, that is where that ruler is. What is the ruler? What planet rules the Moon? And where is that planet? My, my Moon is in 21 degrees of Gemini. Okay. So Mercury. So where is Mercury? My Mercury is in, um, the 11th house in Leo, of the 23rd, 24th degree. Is satisfying? Is your Moon an aspect to Pluto? No. No. Hey, so there's something going on there. There's there's an archetypal thread that you're recognizing in your personality that isn't, uh, it doesn't sound like it's found with the Moon, but it's found somewhere. It's weird how I can make that connection though, even though it might not be from there. You're probably, you're probably right. But, um, I feel, I just feel, I, I taste it. Like it's more like a veil, you know? That's why I'm making a similarity between, you know, two different signs being conjunct, but they're not. Mm-hmm. Well, there may be a minor aspect going on too that you haven't discovered. Sure. So there may be a conversation that, Oh, well, it's wrapping up. Just, it's right on top of Capella. So I don't know if that means anything. Interesting. I think I, uh, you know, I think I have you in my program, but my other iPad is dead. I'll, I'll take a look. You've got me to see that. That's got to be somewhere. Okay. Um, because I get all the time from people, oh, you know, you're, you're so Plutonic, you must be filled with Pluto, everything with Scorpio. And no, I don't have anything in the eighth house. Don't have anything in Scorpio. I have, you're one of the first astrologers I've ever heard talk about Pluto though. So I could see how maybe they think that, maybe that's what they're, they're getting at. But no, all I have is the eighth house ruler in the first house, which is about the price, right? What that gives a lot of eighth house qualities to you. It does, because the experiences of the eighth house, the, what the eighth house is all about, that's coming through the first house of personality and through the persona. So it's like the eighth house is revealed. I, I reveal the things of the eighth house. If we have like the first house ruler in the eighth house, then we're taking the things of the first house, we're hiding them. And, yeah, just like me, but I'm taking hidden and showing. Is your ruler in a good aspect to Pluto? Not in any aspect of Pluto. No. The ruler, Mars rules the eighth, comes into the first in Virgo, and then is opposite to Jupiter and square to the North and the South Node. So the eighth house ruler's caught in a grand cross is probably what's pushed me to do what I'm doing. You said your Mars is in your first house of Virgo? I forget in passing if you said your Ascendant is Leo, Virgo? It's Ver. Okay. And again, I proud. This is, I should probably already know this. Do you consider, you, you don't consider whole sign? You consider equal sign, right? Yeah, I, I prefer equal sign. Whole sign is legitimate. I think all the systems are legitimate. It's just, you know, pick, pick. And it's helpful to know which, hold on, Bae, which, uh, house system, you know, is time-based or space-based so you could know what it is that you want to measure. You know, because a birth chart, a person, in my opinion, is taking up space, right? Not a certain amount of time. But if you're looking at a return chart, um, an illumination chart, something where you're measuring time, you would want to use a time-based system like Placidus, which divides the house according to time. So whole signs doesn't take any of that into account. It's just the sign completely in itself. And, you know, that's fine too. It's the oldest way of dividing a chart. And it, I think it makes it a bit more difficult to interpret the Ascendant and the Descendant myself. It just makes it more complex to look at things. Bae, what did you have? Yeah, I went to, uh, to, uh, Valentina, Valentina. Um, I don't know, like, what your rising is, but that's also what I wanted to ask you, but that makes things maybe more complicated for you. Um, but you can also look at whole sign houses. I really preferred equal sign house and I actually still do, but I'm like trying to, um, using whole sign houses because I was like doing another course, um, and, um, it can kind of like give you some, um, clarity about like the Moon issue as well. So maybe, so yeah, if you're a Scorpio rising, then it would make totally sense that you, uh, that you're into eighth house stuff. If you have, uh, the Moon coming through Gemini, I have my, I'm a Libra Ascendant. Oh, yeah, okay. That's cool, right? But some, but it's weird because again, there's so many different, you can go through so many different routes and make so many different assumptions. But my progressed Descendant, like that's a whole different conversation, like that's in Scorpio. Like I don't, it depends which route. Do you have planets in the eighth house at all? Um, let me see. Yeah, right here on my phone. I should know this on top of my head. Um, no, I don't. Just, I just have Ceres. Okay. Um, yeah, I don't. And, and the eighth house ruler, which my eighth house, you know, Taurus, the eighth house ruler is, you know, Venus, and that's in my ninth, so that's in Cancer. Interesting. Yeah, two house experiences. Sorry, intensity comes through ninth house experiences, comes through learning, drives you to learn and to know and to ask why into abstraction. Yeah, very me. Yeah. Well, we will get into, uh, chart interpretation and further lessons. So we'll be looking at everybody's charts eventually, whoever wants to do that. So we'll be able to pick that all apart. And that might be one that we want to look at, see if we can figure out where that is. They, did you have something else? Yeah, yeah, I, I still have some questions left. There is, um, so I went, uh, to, uh, to a girl like, uh, the other day for like a reading, like a card reading. And well, she also told, like, asked like about my chart and stuff. But she didn't really, I think, know that like I was into astrology as well before. And she told me, well, yeah, Lily, like she was all about like Lilith, you know, maybe it was a bit like pop astrology, but she was, yeah, the your Lilith sign is like the sign that you shouldn't date. And I was like, I never heard anything about that. So I was like, I really have to ask you that. And she also said, so my Lilith is in Pisces. And I, well, generally, you know, as an astrologer, you can't say that, but I don't really like Pisces people. I don't know, or maybe that's like my thing with Neptune. Um, but, uh, yeah, so she was like, yeah, you should never date a Pisces. And I said, well, yeah, of course, I would never date a Pisces. And then she said, well, yeah, your Venus is, um, so we were talking about like love, and that was like my second question. So she was like, yeah, yours, your Venus is on, um, the second degree of Taurus. So, yeah, you, um, are very inexperienced in love. And you probably like in a previous life, you probably wouldn't, or you, you nourish. No, she was like very like, she was like, you haven't like ever experienced like true love. So, I don't know, like, but my Venus isn't at 2:55, but like, anyway, but like, is that something? All right. Um, I'm not sure what she's talking about, so I can't really open on that. Astrologers are an odd bunch, and you have to be really, um, aware of how different they go about astrology in order to make a good, uh, decision, I think, about who to go to and who to talk to, because there's no governing body that, um, keeps astrology in line, or there's, there's no, there's no rules or regulation to any of this. So you have to be careful about who it is that you ask, because, um, I think that there's so many different ways of interpreting charts and understanding astrology, and, um, most people are not coming at it from a psychological perspective. That's the perspective I tend to come at it from. They're coming at it more from a metaphysical perspective. And so I think if you're coming at it from that.
way it's very very easy to uh you know talk about past lives or make assumptions about karma or uh or just altogether take astrology too seriously. I think that's what people ran into. That um it's it's a chart of potentials and it does describe personality and outlook and or proclivities, but it it doesn't tell us everything. That's what I told her to ah. I told her never heard about that.
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Yeah, um, I've heard some very, very interesting things over the years. Um, she was also talking about like twin flames and it was like, oh, okay, it's time to leave. Well, she was good at the reading though. So, but that's the thing about like spiritual stuff, just like what you said, you should really know what you're consuming and who you're asking questions too. Yeah, yeah. I think you have to consider the source so much. The time and, um, uh, yeah, I studied with some people in my younger years that have some very interesting ideas and would I, you know, very cavalierly declared that, you know, you were with this person or were this person in a past life. And and they're getting all of that, you know, from the north and the south node or the placement of Saturn. And I guess in theory, we can say those things, but we have absolutely no way of knowing that any of that is actually true. So this is why I have a problem with, uh, particularly famous astrologers that talk about, um, you know, like karmic astrology and esoteric astrology. And it's all in the realm of opinion. It's all in the realm of what astrologers and, you know, decided with the symbolism means and archetypal thinking. And my personal view is that you can't know what's outside of archetypal thinking. It's that's all we know is we we can't think outside of the way our human brain functions. Yeah, it's very Neptunian in some kind of way.
I agree, Valentino. Um, that's why I resonate with you so well throughout the years because you're so open-ended and not fixed. And I'm very much that way as well. And at one point in passing, you had said that astrology is an intuitive science. And, um, and I, and same thing with like tarot and for me, or like just mostly charts. I'm better at charts. Charts are, you know, I can, you know, I feel more drawn to them. I like to say that there are no rules and I'm not married to everything 100, you know. Anyone who really is, it's just there's a fluidity that should come through. But there's, it's that intuitive science that that matters, you know. Um, yeah, don't be married. But, you know, but I feel it. Yeah, yeah. I get what you're saying. Get what you're saying.
And you can run into the same thing even with psychotherapists and, uh, you know, psychologists. They're gonna have very, very different opinions about how to treat people or about psychology itself. You know, there's some psychologists that very in, uh, believe very much in the work of Carl Jung and others that won't touch it that think it's absolute. So you can have a variety of opinions. And with astrology, it's even more so. So I think it really comes down to consider the source. And I know in the group like last year, so we had somebody, um, and it was Jonathan, who asked me to take a look at an astrologer that he was wondering about, you know, going to see. And, um, I looked at the link that he had sent me and it turned out that she was channeling Elvis, among other people. So that would be a big red flag in my mind. That if your astrologer is channeling people, then what does that mean?
Channeling like Elvis? Like Elvis Presley? Yes, Elvis. And like channeling in this channeling means when the the spirit of that person enters you and then you speak for that person. Oh, yeah. Well, that's actually that you should like be very careful. Like I think with people saying that. But like I started to do like a course like in mediumship and stuff and it was very interesting. So I made like contact with like someone's like brother or something who committed suicide. Was very interesting. Was not talking through me, but, um, yeah, yeah. It is interesting. I don't know, like, yeah, not to take that whether to take it seriously. My personal opinion about that is that we are in contact with, uh, our own subconscious forces in that situation. So I'm, I'm not sure that it is a spirit from the other side. I think it's more what's common to all of us. And so I, I think that, you know, some some psychics and mediums, they can have some very valuable things to offer, but I'm, I think it's coming from within themselves, not necessarily from the ether. Mostly we just don't really know a lot about in some cases.
Does anybody else have a question? Oh, I actually have like one, if that's possible. But if it's not, then just please no. Go ahead. I think we have time because they're conjunct my ascendant and I can never stop. I hear ya. I've got Mercury. Um, so I was wondering, Joe, about like Moon opposite Mars because, um, I rather, well, I tried to read a lot like about like Moon opposite Mars, but I couldn't really make a lot of sense of that. So I was wondering, um, um, yeah, what you, what you actually could tell like about like Moon opposite Mars, like in a natal chart? In the natal chart. Okay, okay. So it brings out extremes of feelings because we have the Moon. The Moon and Mars naturally are square to each other. They have a square relationship because Cancer is square to Aries. So their natural relationship is a hard aspect. They are in tension with each other. So we have aggression and, uh, belonging and sensitivity on the other end. These two, we have a problem here in harmonizing. So when we take that, those two and we put them in an opposite relationship, it brings out the extremes of the tension between the two of them. So we have somebody that can swing from aggression to sensitivity, aggression to sensitivity. So they are triggered immediately. The conjunction is even worse. So there's a ton of feelings, passion. And Mars is how we are going to defend ourselves and we are going to remain safe. We're going to keep ourselves alive. And so there's this way that when we feel something, that impulse to defend ourselves or survive kicks in immediately. So they are, um, rash in how they deal with most situations. And the feelings are not controllable. When we have the Moon in a hard aspect to Mars, in most hard aspects, a little bit better with the quintile, but we're still struggling with the inability to control our feelings. So, yeah, it's that's a difficult, difficult thing for somebody to get a hold of because it's like if you have 10 people in the group and say one of them has their Moon in a hard aspect to Mars, we can have like some, say something happens, just something happens. And that one person in the group that has their Moon and aspect to Mars is going to, uh, have a reaction or feelings or, um, uh, I want to say a response to that thing that happened that is way more over the top than anybody else in the group. Um, so I think we had a comment here, an observation. Ah, Jamie, I have a sister who is Moon conjunct Uranus squaring a Mars Saturn conjunction. I am so sorry. That is rough stuff there. Um, I wonder if you guys got into some fights when you were younger? Um, I always got into fights with people. Stacy, oh, so I have that. Um, I've got Moon opposite Mars and I have a Moon in Pisces and Mars in Virgo. Oh, so that makes it actually a little bit easier. Those are progressive signs. Those are not aggressive signs. So it's still going to, you know, be easily triggered. Um, and it could even be triggered more for, you know, towards crying or towards, uh, you know, feeling extremes of emotion that end in Piscean kind of behavior, you know. Um, my daughter hasn't been in Scorpio square to Mars herself. So the passion with which that girl can feel is so strong. And it's like almost everything she has this abnormally, uh, emotional, it's sort of reaction or or just, um, way that she goes about it. So just for instance, she's coming, um, down the stairs the other day and I hear her and I know something's up because I hear the the feet stomping down the stairs. Stop, stop, stop, stop. She comes in the chair in the kitchen. She says, we don't have any sourdough. I want to make a grilled cheese. We don't have any sourdough. We have white bread. We have wheat bread. We have the seed bread over here. So I said, you know what? I'm not gonna get you any sourdough. Next time I go shopping. And then, and then what, what does she say? Well, wait. Well, I'll tell that part next. It said, I'm not going to get you what it is that you want because this is ridiculous. You are like eight. You're going on 19 years old. You're not even a child anymore. And you come down demanding sourdough. So next time I go to the store to make sure that I don't get any. So that's often the reaction that people get when they have hard aspects for Moon to Mars because they come out so hard out of the cannon that it engenders this contrary reaction. What's reflected back to them is anger because that's how I was feeling at the moment. You come down here now cost me about sourdough. You know, that doesn't make me feel ooey gooey towards you. It makes me not want to buy a sourdough, is what it does. So that's what people off, that's the reflection I'll often get is anger that other people find them angry or unmanageable. And you do not want to see my daughter working customer service. Not a good thing. Um, they work better in environments where they don't have to put on a nice friendly face. Um, you know, say hello, I hope you had a nice day. Um, there's often something very authentic about impulsive about the Moon to Mars, um, where say Moon to Saturn, we can stand there and cast checks all day and ask people how their day is going and wish them a nice day and, you know, be okay with that. But Moon Mars people are just, it shows on their face. Like the pissiness, it just shows on their face. Even if you're Libra rising, most, yeah, you may be able to keep it in check a little bit more, at least on the surface. But hold on. We had a funny comment here. Oh, no, I don't think anybody's offended. I think that we're all friends here. Um, yeah, there's, uh, just this, uh, almost an infantile nature that we can have with Moon Mars aspects because the Moon is an aspect to a planet that is about infancy and about not thinking things through. We just go off. It's impulsive. So it's the most impulsive emotional nature we can have with Moon Mars aspects. And this is something constantly talking to my daughter about, counseling her about, and trying to give her skills when it comes to coping with the strength and, and usually the, uh, the speed of her feelings because that's what gets people in trouble with Moon Mars hard aspects is the speed with which they act upon their feelings. So I try to often give her the analogy of the alarm clock that we all had in the 80s that had the two bells on top and it made that horrible ringing sound. This is before we had digital clocks. But before that alarm clock went off, you would hear this little, and then you would jump up and you would shut that thing off. So you would never ever hear the actual alarm clock. We were all tuned to the D. And that's what I keep trying to train her to tune into is before you go crazy, there is this chance, and it's very small, this chance, and you have to tune yourself into it, this chance to keep your to keep the ball in the cannon because the ball wants to shoot out of the cannon right away. And then we have consequences for that. But we have to get to where, you know, we feel something and then right before the impulse to bite somebody's head off comes up, we take a deep breath and we keep the ball in the cannon. It's about self-control. It's impulse control that we're developing. So it's an interesting aspect. And, um, it does tend to get people into some trouble in their close relationships. Yeah, I guess I've chilled out a lot. I remember there have been a lot of times where I've been upset and I've left the room and I've called someone and they've calmed me down. And then when I feel like I'm not going to shoot with both barrels, I come back into the situation. And that's what we're learning. Yes. Yeah. So you mastered it? Maybe not a hundred percent of the time because usually our heart aspects, we still have to do some fine tuning every once in a while. But we got the lesson is what it is. So yeah, it sounds like you worked your way out of that one. I don't know. I think I've mellowed out a little too much. I don't know. Well, it is a Pisces. So, yeah. Well, I do appreciate that explanation of it. I, um, I remember one time seeing an astrologer who explained it as my emotions and my actions go in different directions. Yeah, yeah. I found that confusing. Yeah, your needs and your in your actions because of your mother. Um, I think that's what you learned from your mother to act completely opposite of your needs. That's what I also remember from my mother. Um, yeah, and that's what why the rashness comes from because you're because you think that I think that's the project. That's actually what I want to ask you. Well, well, the one side of us is aggression. That's how we act on our aggression. And then all the other side is how we act on our need to belong and our emotional regulation. So the two things are in completely different, um, modes. They're different styles. So it, it brings us one of those, um, pervasive issues of hypocrisy because we're one way, but we're also another. So that's where we're learning to meet in the middle or at least to understand that, you know, hey, I'm like two different people within the same body, you know, I'm this really nice compassionate person that I could really fly off the handle and kill somebody. So, yeah, that's what, what people find really weird. Sorry. Yeah, that's what people find really weird. Like sometimes, you know, because of love, for example, for me, because I'm a Libra rising and I have like this Moon opposite Mars, both square Pluto in Scorpio, and not the Mars in Leo. So this can be quite sometimes like explosive as well. And if they always like try to, well, not anymore, really, to hide that that thing like behind the Libra rising facade, but people can be really, um, really, they don't understand. Yeah, yeah, really surprised and really scary when it comes out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have that too. But, but I don't, the thing is, I like the Mars too. I don't want people to think I'm all Pisces and nice all the time. That's like false advertising. It's not real. Well, in your case, because the signs that we're dealing with, it can be a helpful aspect because it can create this pushback that Pisces has a hard time with. So it can put you in situations where you have more survival skill or more need to survive built into your Pisces nature than most people do. So where, you know, the prince comes along, say with Cinderella, Cinderella was totally Pisces and wants to slip the shoe on her, you know, you might be the one to say, I'm not so sure that glass is appropriate, you know. Yeah, might be stupid. Especially with Virgo Mars, I'll go with you, but the shoe needs to make sense. So, yeah, Virgo Mars. Yes, you might fashion your own shoe. So I think, I think with certain signs, hard aspects can be compensating characteristics for us. Sure. Yeah. But, uh, and I also have hard aspects to Pluto. So there might also be an extra force. Do you also have like the nasty T-square? What I will do also, I like have that T-square because I'm always like wondering if anyone else in the world has that T-square as well because I think like that T-square is really, really nasty. Like the T-square between like Moon, Mars, and Pluto. Like pretty often with points. So my Moon quadrant to, um, Pluto. So that's probably not right. Let's see. I'm not sure. I can't look it up. My other iPad died. That's a hard aspect, right? The Cesco quadrant? Yeah, it's, uh, I've got my Moon. But your Pluto is in Libra then, Stacy? Yeah, yeah. Pluto. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. And no, I don't think I've got the T-square. No, thankfully not. No. It's really, it has been like, because I've been bullied and stuff like before, and I really, well, I kind of like came to understand like after going like, uh, into therapy that, um, because my pool is on my second house, so my the well, I have my beans and my eighth, um, but it's like kind of like an health empty lag. So therapy was really, um, something that really helped for that. I really, um, yeah, I came to, uh, the conclusion that like me being bullied when I was a child was definitely, uh, sometimes my own fault because I couldn't like express my anger and stuff like that. Really. Other people did it for you. Yeah. And I, I always like remember that, you know, I really hate football because like I have, I had this like short temper and, you know, other people were always like taller than me and, you know, I would always like get very like explosive. And it's so interesting to look back on that and see that you are the source of your own problems, most often. Usually, usually we get back what we are putting out. Yeah, yeah. A really good example of that would be my daughter charging down the stairs. I, what? Sorry, now she got back to me that same frustration. You know, I, I certainly didn't get my purse and run off and get what she wanted because, you know, if you come in charging at somebody, that's usually what you're going to get back. So if you come in, you know, asking nicely, say she came down and said, oh, I wanted to make a grilled cheese. We don't have any sourdough. I would have been more than happy to make a special trip to make sure that she had some. I like sourdough too. So, you know, what we put out is generally what we're gonna get back. There's some situations where that isn't a hundred percent true, but that's usually how life works. I think that maybe just speaks to you parenting well, because I think I think there's a lot of kids who bully their parents and get what they want. Like I couldn't see that generation X. We for something our generation, for some reason, the Nirvana generation, the Pearl Jam generation, we have really, um, indulged our children in a way that I think this generation coming up really is bullying to the rest of us. And I, and some of that, I think is is parenting out of guilt. And maybe it was just us, our generation being somewhat indulged. I'm not sure. So then you're the, you're the parents of like generation Z, the the upcoming generation, generation Z. Yeah, that's such a weird generation. I, I'm not sure if anyone is Pluto in, um, Sagittarius. But it's like an interesting generation. Yeah. Oh, Valentino, he's a young youngster then here with a mouth closed like, yeah, I'm pissy to my mom's time. I'll own it. Yeah. Our generation just really was interesting with our children. And I think a lot of it too is that we really overprotected our children by and large. We didn't want them being stolen. We didn't, um, you know, instilled a lot of stranger danger. There's a lot of paranoia in the kids coming up. And I'm even guilty of that too, because I didn't want my children playing out front, for instance, when I was growing up, we always played out in the front yard. But it's just like those messages, and it's a different, it's a different world. You do have to be really careful in ways that we didn't have to before. So, yeah, when I was a little kid, I used to just go to walks to the store all the time. But also living like me, that I living in Portland where there's a lot of hobos everywhere, that's not a good idea. Yeah, that's pretty new. What is a hobo? Um, it's, uh, well, a homeless person who's a little scary and probably has a drug problem. Well, that's just in my, it's a euphemism or it's an, it sounds nicer than saying that, I guess. There's there's past. I think it came from in the past, a hobo was somebody during a homeless person, a homeless man during the Great Depression that was transient. He would go from like training brain. Yeah, that's that's not the definition of it. I, I noticed I'll just say that word because it sounds nicer than what I want to say. You have a lot of Uranus to your son, don't you? I do. There's an authenticity there. Um, yeah, we're seeing a lot of homelessness, not just here, but I guess in all cities. The housing crisis is really a problem for us. Okay, so I guess, uh, we should wrap it up there, guys, for tonight. I am running out of voice. And I added a lesson on Tuesday. I think it Tuesday at 10 AM, another synistry extra add-on lesson. So we'll meet again Tuesday, 10 AM. And we'll talk. I have a job interview then. Sorry. I have a job interview then. Oh, darn. I hope you get it though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm getting, uh, I'm, um, maybe I'm can get a job at the parliament as, um, because we have elections. Like a lot of like extreme right people, groups cut in parliament too. But, um, yeah, it's a very interesting, um, yeah, it's an interesting job. Like I really hope that I can get it. Nice. It'll be nice. That'll be good for your Neptune Uranus conjunction. You'll love that. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, let's see. Um, so, uh, I'll post it into the group anyway, so you can pick it up whenever it's good for you. And we'll be back next weekend. Um, after we meet Tuesday, Sunday should be fine. We only have one three-year-old dog left. So not expecting anything weird to happen. All right, guys. Make use of the golden retriever. You can get, you can use it to get rid of all your pesky squirrels. Oh, you know what? He is the most submissive dog in the world. Okay. He's just about a year old. And when he was in puppy class, all the little puppies were bullying him. And he was the biggest dog in the whole group. So, yeah, he's really a sweetie. All right. Um, yeah, he loves to come here. He plays with Bonson. They have their little circuit that they go outside and play in. All right. So we'll start with, uh, Sun to Saturn aspects next time we meet up on Tuesday. And, um, we'll see where we end up by next weekend. All right, guys. Bye. Thank you to see you all. See you, Valentino. Yeah, nice seeing you. Bye, guys.