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Let me return to Hollywood if if you don't mind. Um, it seemed to me that Hollywood took a walloping blow with COVID and then the strike and like one of the things I've noticed about myself is I used to go to movies all the time. I to theaters. I love going to movies and I've gone to very few movies since co. It's kind of like I don't know if I got out of the habit. It's something like that.
Partly I used to know where to get reliable reviews for upcoming movies. Like I was in the stream. I knew what was coming out of Hollywood. I made plans to go see the movies. That all disappeared. And now I don't know how to get back to that. But I think >> And you're wondering is it because of my age? >> Must be. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that could be too. Although, see, I don't know. >> Or is it just that way? >> Well, I Well, I I also don't know that. And and of course, the media landscape is fragmented, too. And so it's hard to figure out what sources you can rely on.
>> The way they advertise movies is nowhere near what it used to be. It used to be just like an ad in the newspaper. >> Yeah. And that was enough. >> Yeah. And then it became like TV ads and audiences could smell a movie. >> Yeah. Right. >> It was like so surprising. It was just like I remember for me personally u breaking away when that came out. It was hard was no advertising or anything like that. And we're driving to the theater, you know, to go to you go for the, you know, like the opening of it, you know, on that Friday. Yeah. >> And there's a line around the block. >> Yeah. It's like, >> well, people are in the movie. Well, that's that's the thing is that these things are very fragile, you know, is that >> we never know what makes a whole enterprise work. And if people are movie fans, they're in the movie culture. They track it. And if you break that, it's like >> that's gone. >> Yeah. Well, yeah. Okay. So, you feel that that's gone. uh you don't see Roger Eert on television anymore. these there was a whole culture that went with it that everybody watched >> what the new movies coming up and like you know >> uh laying them out there what they're about and and all that and >> you know >> and you knew months in advance >> really you know great debates on on what they were about and uh >> so so how do you what how do you view the current reality and the potential future of the film industry Are there still stars? >> It's that's the thing. Who was the last movie star? >> Well, from what I've been able to understand, the only star truly standing >> Leonardo DiCaprio say that's going too far back. Leonardo Leo. I mean, last movie. They're still out there. They do occur. >> Yeah. They're out there. But they also my sense too is that and I don't really know what to make of this that they're are they the last of a dying breed.
>> Well, you know the new is like it's gone from it's gone to social media. >> Yeah. >> That's where the new movie stars are. I mean Justin Bieber the first star totally created on YouTube. >> Yeah. >> You know not the nowhere near the the traditional way >> Yeah. >> of doing it. And then the actors now are are the same way. They have their their Instagram uh page. They, you know, self- advertising and uh >> but used to be back then movie stars like in the you know going up and really until the 80s 90s true movie star you wouldn't do a talk show on TV. You would avoid TV like the play. Jack Nicholson, you would never see him on a talk show. He'd do one interview in a prestigious magazine, whether it be Time, Playboy, right? >> Whatever it was, that was >> that's part of that protection of one interview. >> And you would, you know, some guy would spend a couple of days with him or something, but you really wouldn't, there was a mystery to him. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So that when you went to the theater, literally what makes a movie star is you go to the theater, they are a mystery. You don't know too much really about their life. So you imprint your own life on them. >> Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. >> That's that's what happens. >> Yeah. >> You know, you see them for something inside you. >> Yeah. >> And that's what makes a movie star. >> Well, you actually don't want to know much about the personal life of an actor. >> And now it's like, well, it got to be that you just do everything. >> Yeah. >> About everybody. >> Yeah. >> And >> that brings them down to earth. And that's not good if you're a star. Well, it it doesn't create mystery. >> Yeah. Right. Let's >> put it that way.
>> I wonder too how much of it is the fact that like when you and I grew up >> being on television was like that was a remarkable and unlikely occurrence to be personally on television, even to know someone who was on television. The bandwidth was so narrow and then the movies were above that. It was easier to be on TV than on the movies. But now everyone is on TV all the time. Yeah. >> Right. And so that that that's another borderline between the public and the actor that's disappeared. It's like everybody is video from the time they're young. >> There's no going back and this way the world's head is and and you know good things come out of it. >> Good things. >> What do you see that's good coming out of it? >> Well, for one thing, there's this there's really a broad communication in in the Z guys. People have taken over their own stories. >> Yeah. >> And like you could be like me and choose not to participate very much. you know, I I I mean, I have an Instagram page, I have a Facebook page, and I, you know, I kind of But I u you know, it's I didn't grow up with it, so it seems like a real chore to me. >> Yeah. >> And uh >> Right. It's not your culture. >> Yeah. >> And I like face to face communication and and I like this this you know, this is great. Why do you >> Because it's it's it's uh it's a real I I feel like I'm uh this that is one good thing about today as opposed to then >> is that you could do an interview like with a magazine and you know somebody was out to do a job on you cuz they kind of feel like they build you up you know you have this fall and then you have the comeback the thing but >> like with this it's unfettered >> and I get to represent present myself. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. YouTube YouTube's great for that and podcasts are great for that and they really reward unfettered communication. Like the people I've talked to anybody I've talked to on my YouTube channel who politics or is false, they get slaughtered. Yeah. Like if they >> say it comes out very quickly. You find out who people are. >> You can't hide so much. >> Yeah. Well, that's Joe Rogan told me. He said, you know, you can tell if there's anything to anyone after about 20 minutes. >> Yeah. Because you can well people who are hollow they're exhausted especially in a podcast like Rogan's which is three hours long. It's like there better be some depth to you to get through that conversation in an interesting manner for three bloody hours. >> Yeah. They're kind of like you know let's see what happens like 30 years from now when you know uh some of this stuff is going to come back to haunt people. you know, I mean, is some of the things that I did and thought or whatever, you know, back in uh my teens, 20s, man, I'm so glad it's not on YouTube. >> That's for sure, man. I feel exactly the same way. I can't imagine, >> you know, I remember most of my adolescence and my adolescent friends as really a non-stop parade of stupid decisions, right? >> Yeah. You should be able to make those stupid decisions in private, >> right? That's for sure, man. The last thing I would have wanted was video records of that, right? And for it to be distributed around the school. I can't imagine like it was it was >> a a a difficult enough enterprise trying to negotiate the weird social world of adolescence without having to be absolutely terrified that some godamn stupid thing you did was going to be permanently instantiated in the minds of everyone in your town. God, I I just can't imagine what that would be like. Terrible. Terrible. >> Yeah. And you just can't just move away from it because it's >> Well, that's right. That's right. It calls you. Well, that's right. Well, one of the wonderful things about human memory is that we forget. >> Yeah. >> Right. The remembering that's not exactly a miracle. Like things happened and so now you know it. It's like, well, can you forget? Can you put it behind you? Well, not if it's permanently recorded. Yeah. >> Yeah. No, that's just that's not good.