Charlie Kirk and Apostate Prophet on Islam

This is one of the most important topics close to my heart. Um, what is your last name? Idmir. Idmir Ridan Idmir. Yeah. Who is a former Muslim? He runs a channel called the Apostate Prophet. And you are very outspoken about Islam. Yeah. So, welcome. Thank you. And why don't you take a moment just introduce yourself to our audience?

Sure. Uh, thank you so much. Uh, so I'm Rivenir, uh, apostate prophet. Um, that's the channel that I started. Um I'm a former Muslim was born in Germany of uh Turkish very religious Muslim parents. Uh now live here in America was an atheist for like 10 years or so and have recently become a Christian. So praise the Lord.

So there's so many directions to go here. Why did you leave Islam? That's a very long story. I I've had a long day so take as much time as you'd like.

So uh where should I start? I mean um as said so I was I was part of a family that was always very religious uh that was Sunni Muslim very popular form of of Islam. Um they raised me under semi strict circumstances uh which are very weird from an American perspective such as um at home we weren't allowed to listen to music for example. Can you imagine that? Um it's uh we we were raised with the idea this is the funny thing I have to bring up this aspect actually before going into it to give you a better understanding. Um I was a child of immigrants from Turkey to Germany. So we lived in Germany a Christian nation or um you could call some aspects of it post-Christian but pretty much more secular. Yeah. Yeah. But still still pretty Christian. I mean I was raised on on the Christian circumstances at school while being uh having Islam you know completely built into my mind at home.

So you were raised by Muslims. Yes. Yes. And while I am there in that Christian country I would go to school as a as a little child and uh encounter all these wonderful nice beautiful people and admire the German culture, admire the western culture, admire Christianity. But at home from my own family and their surroundings, I would learn from a very young age that uh you cannot trust non-Muslims, you cannot trust Christians, you cannot trust Jews is a whole whole different topic. We it's more than not trusting Jews. Yes. Yes. Um to give you a very simple example, um it was I think I was in first or second grade. It's it's very very difficult to remember nowadays, but um there was a a weekend where my uh family took me and my siblings to a religious gathering that they would usually go to. And during that religious gathering, I heard that um that in the possible near future, we Muslims will fight the Jews and we will kill them. And even the rocks and trees will say to us, "Uh, oh Muslim, there is a Jew behind me. Come and kill him." except for one tree called the carot tree which is a tree of the Jews.

So um this is what I heard. I also heard then that uh the Christians would also be among our enemies but with them it would be a little bit more complicated because uh Jesus there I know is like the third holiest or second holiest, right? Yeah. And there is an esqueologgical belief in Islam that Jesus comes in the end times. Is that right? Yeah exactly. I wanted to get into that but it's a very corrupt uh form of but Islam does have a reverence for Jesus. Well, uh, they don't believe he was God, but they believe he was the Messiah. Is that correct? Yes. But they also don't really know what the Messiah is. So, what they do believe is that, um, Jesus, who is in Islam called Issa, um, with a kind of corruption of his name, was actually just a prophet of Allah. And he came here, he was Muslim. Yeah. He he was a Muslim. And he came here to deliver the the Muslim message and to ask people to submit to Islam. That's all he was. He was also the That's a bunch of crap. It is obviously. And um I mean if you go if you go with the Christian narrative, right? If you accept uh that Jesus came and he was actually truthful, you can't have another message after him. Correct? You can't have another religion after him. And Islam comes and acts as if uh Jesus was simply a messenger. But his entire message was all corrupted by his followers, the Christians who became hypocrites and evil. And the actual true message is that of Islam. And according to Islam, Jesus will come back and what he will do according to Muhammad is he will come back and he will uh break the cross and kill the pigs and um and then will reign as a Muslim ruler over the over the people. according to some um interpretations that is meant to be so when he breaks the cross and kills the big the pigs and abolishes a protection money imposed on non-Muslims it means that um he will come to the Christians and tell them what the real religion actually is that sakat the tax or something right yeah it's it's the Jiza oh that's right okay it has a very questionable name but it just say but so so I have so many questions here so you leave Islam Yeah, because it was just didn't ring to me true.

So I became uh very religious at some point in my life uh when I was a um late teenager. Uh became very dedicated and started reading the Quran. When I read the Quran um the problem started arising because believe it or not, Muslims will tell you that it is the best book ever written and that nobody can write a better book than the Quran. Um, but if you read it, my my friend uh David Wood with whom I uh stream a lot, he Thank you. People love David Wood. Uh you should have him too. You should invite him at some point. But um he's fantastic. He likes to quote uh somebody who says that reading the Quran is like penance. You know, I don't feel that way with the Bible, though. No.

So, let's let's just start. I want to get to why you left Islam, but so the Quran is separated in suras. Is that right? Yeah. Surasapters, but it's not chronological. It's the longest first. Is that correct? Correct. And it kind of jumps. Is there 64 of them? Is that right? Or they're actually 1140. Oh, wow. I'm way off. Okay. And so the part of it is normative Christian theology, but it's all counterfeit. Is that right?

You are partly right there. It has some Christian aspects, but that's also um so it very it very much started out as a uh a a pagan religion in Arabia that attempted to turn it into a monotheistic religion because Muhammad um really was impressed by the Jews and Christians that he encountered. So was the was what is considered Islam predate Muhammad and he just adopted it as a warlord? Uh according to some theories, yes. according to the official narrative and the Islamic narrative which I think is is quite plausible. Uh he's the one who comes up with it. Um, he is he comes from a family of polytheistic Arab pagans. Um, but he starts going against their traditions and saying that there is only one god named Allah. So he starts this whole new religion and starts attacking the uh the polytheists and their idols and all that. So fast forwarding back to you, we're going to jump all over the place. You leave Islam just like the Quran. Exactly. It's all over the place. The Quran is like, I'm reading this thing. I'm like, by the way, don't read it unless you're ready to be super confused. I think it's kind of dark. I mean, I could use the word demonic, but it's very stupid. Yeah, it's stupid. Z, thank you.

Um, so you leave Islam, you're an atheist. What brought you to Jesus? It was a very long process. Um, but for most of the time as an atheist um I was convinced that there is no god because I couldn't prove it. Um, but I always had respect for religion. I had respect for Christianity. I always made that very clear. Um, the thing is over the many years after I left Islam, I tried to keep up this whole narrative, this whole charade to be very honest now that uh that that after leaving Islam and thinking for myself and being independent and not believing in fairy tales. Um that I'm a very happy person now. The thing is for all those 10 years I wasn't happy. I was I was really struggling inside. It was it was really it was really bad. And um and and one of the big issues that I've always had it was um that humans seek purpose in this world. We seek a purpose in life. We do everything for a purpose. I had accepted at a certain point that um that there seems to be no inherent purpose or meaning to life. So nihilistic at all. Yeah. And I thought, okay, I can make peace with that idea. But I never did because it's it's incredibly well because it's actually a contradiction. Yeah. Because finding peace and no meaning in itself is a contradiction. Yeah. Because that would be meaning in finding no meaning. Exactly. So it's it's it's a self-defeating statement because it's like oh I'm going to find meaning and not having meaning. Well then you just found meaning. Yeah. So one method definitionally you can't escape it. Exactly. One one way to go against that is to simply embrace the absurdity of it all which I was trying to do and to simply uh live with it. But it's very difficult, you know, it's uh it is extremely difficult. And um it was actually until I um until I looked further into the the evidence for Christianity that I was quite surprised because um as an atheist, I often heard and I was also under the impression that Christianity simply relies on uh different accounts by people who uh didn't witness anything who who lived long after Jesus. It's not true. and uh who just you know wrote things down about him without knowing it from hearsay. It it's very funny because um only when I was slowly approaching Christianity did I find out that this is complete nonsense but so many people propagate this idiotic idea. Oh yeah. I mean and Luke for example was a first class historian. Yeah. I mean, he was a historian of the first of the first order who wrote most of the New Testament and he was paid Theophilos paid him to go research this stuff and be like, "Find out who this Jesus guy is." And he wrote basically a definitive documentary. He wrote Luke and Acts. That's all written by Luke. And he basically said, "Oh, Theopos means lover of God. Here's what I learned." Right? And by the way, it's completely consistent with the other gospels.

And so you eventually that led you to Jesus. Yeah, it was uh it was also about Paul. So um at that point I was seeking religion but I was exploring other religions. I was exploring for example Judaism which uh I still have a lot of respect for and uh you know try to figure out and understand and all that. But in the middle of that at that point I was like u I thought okay I I like religion but I don't want to uh go into the direction of Christianity. It's very funny. Um, one day my wife who actually went into the direction of Christianity before me, asked me to uh to read something in Romans, just one little section about how uh Paul says I can do nothing of my own and it is all God. So I started reading that and it kind of originally I accepted it and decided to read part of it because I thought come okay she's asking me I guess I'll just do it. Then I sat down and started reading it and I was fascinated by it. So I started reading I I read the the entire thing all of Romans and then I started looking into how Paul came to his conclusions. Yes. And suddenly it turns out that everything I have been told about the witness accounts and about uh what Paul did and wrote is all a lie because the historical account very clearly is that he directly met and spent so much time with the disciples of Jesus himself. Exactly. Right. And with the apostles. He didn't do anything on his own. He did it all together with those who were directly in the presence of Jesus, who saw all the things that Jesus did and said, who witnessed miracles. They have it confirmed to each other that hundreds of people witnessed the miracles that are recorded in this book that we now call the New Testament in the Gospels. And uh just going into that um I felt a little bit betrayed because I thought for 10 years now I was a skeptic and I learned that oh I'm supposed to trust only firsthand evidence absolute you know empiricist and all that and then I found out that I have been completely lied to about all the evidence to Christianity. It is the most robust historically verified faith period. Absolutely. It's not even everything else is a lie. Judaism is not a lie. It's just incomplete. Okay? It's just it's just h it's just half the story. But nothing else exists like it. Period. Especially from a historical text standpoint.

And so for you, that's so interesting. So your path to Jesus was mostly through the mind, not through the heart. It was both. I would say if it wasn't the heart, it wouldn't have uh been real. Yeah. And um, but your reason led you towards Christ and that's okay. Everyone has a different path. I'm actually very uh I'm actually very happy to say that um this is very funny because as as a skeptic, as an atheist, it was very important to me to always um give give people the impression that everything I do is based completely on reason, logic, and evidence and all that. Um however the the way I felt about Christianity once I started reading also had a great impact and I found peace you know um I I don't want to make a comparison now to Judaism for example but I I looked into Judaism and I was I was very interested in it I had lots of admiration for it lots of love for it but I tried the the Jewish prayers for example and something felt incomplete for me. Incomplete is the word. Yeah. And this is not a diss for you know Judaism but um when I once I started reading um the the New Testament and I actually did my first prayer the Christian way it it was very moving you know it it's it it brought something back that I felt had died within me so many decades ago and it is still there. When I first went to church, um I was I was quite overwhelmed and I have been Are you are you Orthodox or Yes. Yes. Orthodox. Eastern Orthodox. It's a beautiful faith. Yes. Yes. The divine liturgy as Oh, it really is. What I love about Orthodox Actually, I have an Orthodox priest. Is that the right term or uh Yeah. Yeah. You know, clergy coming on my show on Tuesday and I'm going to ask him. It's not I mean I'm evangelical but I love and correct me if I'm wrong in Orthodox you're very careful you're more about clear about what God is not than what God is. Is that correct? Precisely. Precise. It's like very we're not going to It drives me nuts when people say they overcribe definitions to God. And I think that's super prideful. So I think you start with what God isn't. And I think that that's the baseline of orthodox faith. Is that right? It's very a humble approach to the Lord. that is orthodox theology basically. Uh that also fascinated me when I when I found out about this because me too for the longest time. Um so I I heard a lot of um debates and discussions about uh you know whether God exists or not and the evidence for God and so on. Um I and I I know that uh those debates have great impact on a lot of people. I myself uh felt usually um unmoved by much of it. It didn't appeal to me. Um, but when when I came to when I started to understand orthodox theology for example, I realized uh that that I really love the mystery of it. It is um so in in western theology there was a lot of attempts to describe precisely what God is and how God is and what God does. And in orthodoxy it's rather we that is correct. Yeah. It's a very a very Calvinist German lawyerly way of looking. And by the way, I think he was right about a lot. But John Calvin was like, "I'm going to figure out all the attributes of God." Very specific and definitionally. And he might end up being right. We might go to heaven and he might might have crushed it. Yeah. But the problem with that is you get really wacky theology if somebody takes that premise and they have no idea what they're talking about. For example, Episcopalians like, "Oh, God is a woman, right? Or God is trans." You know, so that can that can go a really bad place very quickly. You know what I'm saying? Like in the modern era, we've seen that what I think Calvin started in a pretty good spirit grow to something pretty dark 500 years later. Yeah, you could you could argue that.

So, let's get back. So, you're Christian. Let me just kind of go through a rapid fire if that's okay. Sure. But let's first go through Islam 101. Is it true that say they say Muhammad is the greatest man ever to live? Yes. Was Muhammad a warlord? Yes. How many people did he kill personally or approximation? Uh, lots. Thousands. Yeah. Yeah. How many was he responsible for? Tens of thousands of deaths. Okay. Is it true that he married a 9-year-old named Aisha? No, he actually married a six-year-old named Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. And and so so six-year-old. So, we got to make sure we're very clear here that there's no misinformation. So that would be pedophile. Yeah. I actually um if I can pause there for a second. No, please. And if I'm wrong, correct me. I'm not here to I want the truth. I want our audience to have the truth. No, I I I want to um I like to as disgusting as it is, I would like to pause there for a second because when when we talk about a six-year-old uh being married, first off, it's not simply marrying a six-year-old. It is the prophet Muhammad, the most perfect figure for all mankind. He is in his 50s. And without any necessity at all, he picks and marries a six-year-old little girl. And then when she's 9 years old, he then consummates the marriage in his mid-50s with her. And that's his that's um his third wife and at that point his second living wife. So he has absolutely no need for this. He does it just because. So let me let's let's steal man this. If a Islamic cleric was right here, what how would they defend that? They would say a few things such as those were different times. The response to that would be, "Okay, but uh isn't he isn't Muhammad supposed to be the perfect moral example for all mankind for all times, including right now? So, it doesn't matter if it was a different time." The second uh defense would be that um that she transmitted a lot of accounts of things that he did and did not do. So it was actually a very good uh thing for him to marry her and be so intimate with her. But seriously, we are supposed to argue that this was the great divine plan. So his legacy lived on. So that's why he raped the 9-year-old. Got it. What else would they say? uh they would some would say uh this is okay and there is nothing wrong with it because as soon as a girl uh shows signs of development she is ready to breed okay do any of them say it's factually incorrect if they are serious traditional uh Muslim scholars they will not say that if they are kind of reformists or modernist what would the reformers say that it was she was allegorically nine they will say that um they will say stupid excuses such as that um they started counting her age only after a certain time or that um there are different accounts she might have been 10 or eight or you know something else. Yeah, that makes a huge difference. A huge difference. So So Muhammad, the greatest man ever to live, the greatest example was a warlord who married a six-year-old, raped her when she was nine, and then kept multiple wives. Yeah. Now to be clear, the Bible also has plenty of stories of multiple wives and bad behavior. But this is so important. There's a difference between what the Bible describes and what the Bible prescribes. Description of behavior in the Bible does not mean prescription of the Bible. For example, Solomon having many wives is not prescribed to you. It actually ended really bad for him. He ended as a madman actually. And Ecclesiastes is like one of the saddest books ever. He's like meaningless, meaningless. All of life is meaningless. So I love that book though. Isn't it beautiful? No meaning. It's sad in the beginning and then all of a sudden he finds that meaning is God. And and there is a season for everything. There's a season for suffering. There's a season for sorrow. There's a season for happiness. The point being though is that people would counter just for you here. Oh, but in the Christian Bible and and the kicker, guys, we never say Solomon is the greatest man ever to live. Precisely. This is the whole important thing. They hold Muhammad at a higher level than Christ our Lord. Yes. So I just and would you say this is one of the strongest arguments to cross-examine Islam morally? Yeah. Okay.

So, let's just talk more about Muhammad. So he do that they believe he went to heaven at some point. Is that right? In Jerusalem. So um like on a horse or something? Yeah. It's called the night journey. So they believe that he went uh that one night he he was uh woken up by heard of the angel and angel Gabriel, right? Oh yeah. Gabriel, they could have used a different name. He was put on the back of a of an animal that was bigger than a uh a donkey and smaller than a horse is what it says. And um he was then taken by that donkey to the farthest mosque as it says. And then from there he was taken up to heaven where he saw all the prophets. Then later on he was taken also to hell where he saw all the people. By the way, what he saw in hell is very interesting. He saw that the majority of hell dwellers were women. That's what he said to women. And he told them, um, this is because you people, you women are ungrateful, so you have to be more obedient to me. Oh, that's what a convenient theology for like a Jeff think like Jeffrey Epstein with a standing army. That's basically Muhammad, right? So, okay, I just want to make sure. So, biographically, so this guy was a warlord, Bedawin tribes fractured. unites these Bedawin polytheistic tribes around polytheism. Who wrote the Quran in your opinion?

So the Islamic narrative is that um that the Quran is a word for word. This is also by the way a huge difference between the Bible and the Quran. The Quran is considered the word for word verbatim uh dictated word of Allah. Yeah. Right. and he is supposed to have brought it through the words of uh Gabriel to Muhammad who then recites it to the people around him who then make notes of it. And after Muhammad dies, they decide to come together and turn all of this into one big book. That is the official account. And many Muslims are not even aware of this. They think Muhammad himself approved of it and oversaw the writing of it. So, and isn't that a divide between Shia and Sunni of what Muhammad said and what he didn't say? Yeah, in a way. Yes.

So what is a hadith? The hadith is um the traditions attributed to Muhammad, things that he did and things that he said as reported by his uh followers and their successors. So

So Muhammad creates this religion. Mhm. There are five pillars of Islam. Let me see if I can get them right. Okay, let me see if I can get them. Uh pray five times a day. Yes. Ramadan fasting. Yes. Haj, yes. Charity, yes. And let me try to think of the last one. Um I'm pretty good at four though, right? That's not bad. What is the fifth? The shahada, which is the creed where you say that um isn't that the prayer or no? No, no, no. That's that's separate. So um Oh, you have to say the shahada to become part of the religion. Okay. Which is I testify there is no god but Allah and his messenger of Allah. Yeah. So those five, none of those are like necessarily offensive except the Islamic one to us. So we don't have to spend too much time on that. Is that the core of their faith? Those five things you would So you would say that those things are the ones that uh that essentially make one a Muslim. But it doesn't stop there. So

So then Muhammad dies, Islam grows. Yeah. And grows and grows and grows by the sword. By the sword. This is important. So how did it grow? Did it grow through conversion and love or did it grow through conquest? This is actually one of the biggest differences between Christianity and Islam. Um, which I think is a very important point to to stand on here. So um Christianity we know starts with with Christ um God taking on flesh uh becoming the lowest of us becoming part of us and inviting us to him. It it starts through suffering and um his followers spread it and tell people about it. They lose their lives on this path and over centuries it develops through simply preaching and being persecuted. Islam starts very differently. Muhammad starts out there in Mecca then goes to Medina and starts his Islamic state from which he then begins raiding and attacking others. And from then on his his successors once he dies take over that exact same attitude and start spreading Islam by attacking everyone left and right. And most of uh the Muslim territories in today's time are a result of violent conquests. That's right. Because there's actually um a very good quote that I love to bring up uh by Khalun who was a middle medieval Muslim scholar very much respected and he he wrote in a work called Mukadima. He wrote that uh the great difference between Judaism, Christianity and Islam is that Islam is the only religion that has a truly universal mission and uh the the the leader of Islam, the caiff is supposed to be the one who is both the religious leader and also the military leader and the state leader who has the duty to spread the religion by will or by force. This is Islam and that's how it spreads.

Does it say in the Quran that you should take multiple wives? It says you can take multiple wives. Okay. But not that you should, but you can. Yeah, you can. You cannot take up to uh one, two, three, four like tomatoes like Yeah. Is it true that it talks very poorly about women? Yes. How so? Well, in chapter 4 verse chapter 4 is very funny. It's called in the Sarah 4 or whatever. Yeah. Surah 4 is called uh women and some Muslims say some Muslims will say look it has a chapter called women it must be nice to women. Well look into the chapter. So in uh verse 24 of it it says that um that Muslims uh may only have sex with those that they are married to and with those that they possess which means with their sex slaves. So Islam directly allows sex slavery through war and also tells Muslims that they are allowed to have sex with him as they wish. In verse 34, it then says that uh that Muslim women are to obey their husbands fully because he is superior. If she disobys or no, if if they fear if a husband fears fears arrogance from a woman, he is to admonish her separate in beds and if that doesn't help, he may beat her. And according to Muhammad's own companions, if actually according to Muhammad's own child bride, Aisha, she said that uh she didn't see any other women who were suffering as much as the Muslim women. One day a woman comes in and her skin is greener than the green clothes that she's wearing. And she comes to complain about her husband, how much he's beating her. Muhammad ends up uh basically justifying the beating and saying that lots of women women come to complain about their husbands and they are not the best women and this is Islam's legacy. So the Quran directly allows Muslims to beat their wives and describes them as lesser beings and you can still see this very much unfold and manifest in Muslim.

Is it true it says to convert or kill? It yes there is another option. So chapter 9 verse 29 right? Yeah. It says just that what's that word you said? Jiza. Yeah. Yeah. It says directly there that those who don't accept um Islam and those who don't believe in Allah and Muhammad, you are to fight them, specifically Jews and Christians and others uh until they are humiliated and pay protection money. So you are to convert them or to make them pay protection money. If they don't pay protection money, you can kill them. That's it.

What are the other objectionable teachings that you think the West should know? Aside from are they allowed to lie on the name of Islam? Um that's a common thing I hear. I'm sure you've heard it. That's a very complicated topic. But um you could say yes. Although uh it is sometimes m misrepresented because there is one aspect which is called tea. That's right. where so takia allows Muslims normally if they are in certain circumstances where um telling people that they are not that they are Muslims would um cause trouble they are allowed the per they given the permission to lie about it but that's not the only aspect where they are allowed to lie so people think takia means that they are all allowed to lie but there in general without giving it a name the Quran uh authorizes Muslims to simply um speak half the truth basically in giving responses and to always speak what in whatever way Islam benefits and Muslims are allowed by Muhammad to deceive the enemies of Islam and enemies of Islam are all those that are not Muslims. So

So Islam is rapidly taking over the West. Yes. Is that by accident or by design? You could say that um it is by design, but then we have to have a discussion about who's the designer. Yeah. Who's the designer? What kind of design is? Well, let me put it this way. Is the Muslim world thrilled they're taking over the West? Yes, absolutely. when I was um a child in Germany when I was a teenager I repeatedly heard that uh it's a fantastic thing that we are taking over that our numbers are growing and uh you could now say okay this is just something that you yourself heard but it's not just me today I still hear the same thing in fact this is the one this is the main reason why I decided to speak out because after I left Islam I had um horrible deception and basically you know oppression of my mind behind me I wanted to get away from it but I look into the world and I see people saying stuff like Islam is misunderstood. It's a religion of peace. It's not a religion of peace. It is not a pe it is not a religion that wants to coexist with you. We have today in the UK in many other countries we have Muslims preachers openly saying that the vision of Muslims should be to take over Western nations that the numbers should be growing there should be more uh politicians involved uh in the public in the UK in Canada in Australia. Gladly we are we don't we are not at that stage in America but we have to act quickly un unless uh we want to also get into those situations because um it is a duty of Muslims to establish Islam as a governing force wherever they are or to leave. They don't want to leave. Do they believe in separation of mosque and state? No they don't. In fact, uh in Islam, it is actually considered haram, forbidden to uh establish laws that are separate from whatever Allah has established. So it is considered u forbidden not allowed to have secularism. So the the growth of Islam in the west, do you think that Christians and westerners adequately understand it? No.

What what And we're we're short on time. I'm sorry. I could talk for for two hours. What keep what keeps you up at night or worries you most about this flavor and this ascendant force of Islam? The the most important thing is the ignorance of the non-Muslims of those that we that we have uh among us. We have lots of people speaking. We have lots of people speaking online. We have lots of people uh speaking about all kinds of things. I think um there are some people who like to who like us to talk about different uh political entities or different states how they are trying to subvert us and so on. I think the biggest uh subverter of western societies or free nations is Islam and we need to be talking about it. I think uh the most disturbing thing about all of this is that we have Muslim communities in uh Michigan, in Minnesota, in Texas even now and elsewhere that openly speak of spreading Islam and making this and and they say of course uh we don't want to offend anybody. We don't want to make it look like we are subverting people. We just want to peacefully spread it and grow and take over. Um, but if you allow enough power to be taken by those who want to establish Islam as governing force, you will very very quickly lose control because they will not allow you to take it back. They will want to impose it.

Do you think Islam is compatible with Western civilization? Absolutely not. So I said that I don't know if you saw that got 75 million views on my tweet. People thought oh prove my point for me. Western civilization uh was formed and shaped by philosophers and by Christianity. Islam is anti-Christianity. Islam orders the subjugation and the destruction and eventual eradication and elimination of Christianity. It uh orders the destruction of secular societies. We have freedom in the west. Something that we value so much at this conference in America. We have freedom. We love freedom. Islam is anti-freedom. One very little uh trivia about me. I have t Turkish citizenship. I lived in Turkey for a while. Right now it's very difficult for me to get back into Turkey because despite Turkey being a secular country on part of NATO, yeah, I have multiple uh lawsuits against me by the Turkish government because I dare to say things like quote the Quran is a book of ignorance. For for that they are suing me. the Turkish government. I can't go back there. There is no freedom. There is no free speech. If you give the power, you will lose everything.

And so, just really quick to capstone that Islam being incompatible with Western civilization, but they'll say there's peaceful Muslims. And what what would you say is the what should the Western approach to Islam be? First off, um realize what you're dealing with. Realize that it is not simply a religion. Uh acknowledge that it is incompatible with your societies and then begin to directly uh address it and make sure that you do not allow them to take advantage of your um of your um of your of your well-meaning attitude and your liberal policies of immigration. For example, if you see Islam spreading and political Islam spreading, remove it. Make policies about it. Get rid of it. Kick it out before it's too late. And I So, here's the thing. Um, this this might be a little bit controversial, but um the freedoms that we have in the West, they were established, the values that we have in the West were established. Um, even America was founded by people who had in mind that these are values that unite us. these people that I mean I find it very difficult to even include myself but I will include myself as an American today. So these are um the these these nations are founded in order to uh to have people like us with our values to live together. That's why we have freedom because we cherish it. We value it. We can do it. They weren't meant to be offered to every single anti-freedom uh group that comes in and wants to abolish it and abuse it in order to oppress you.

How do you get treated by Muslims? Um I usually get the death penalty by uh by in Islam. Do you get a lot of death threats? Yes, lots of them. I I What do they say to you? I will behead you. I will rape your family. I will This is the religion of peace. Yes. It's very peaceful. Well, once once they once they kill you, it's all peaceful, you know. So Oh, yeah.

So your whole to close it out, your name is Apostate Prophet. Yes. Do you speak Arabic? I do not. I study. Yes. Yes. Okay. So, but you know, so you know the original text well enough. Yeah. I've studied it many years. Yeah. So, that's why you're so dangerous. Yes. And you have a big platform and you know it you know this stuff well and they can't argue because with with me they're like, "Oh, that's not what it really says. It's context dependent." And honestly, I kind of have a soft spot because there's so much biblical butchery with context stuff. So, I'm like really careful with that. You know what I mean? I'm like a very big context guy cuz some people say, "Oh, the Bible's terrible because of something in Leviticus 19." I'm like, okay, how much time do you have? But what you are saying is this even with context. Yes. You're saying commands you to does it command you kill Jews? Yeah. I um in the long term, yeah, it it it commands them to oppress Jews and that eventually Muslims will kill the Jews. You are supposed to wait for it.

How can people support you? I think you're a man of great courage. I mean, this is a big fight. You're up against the great menace and it's growing. Islamism is growing. It is. It is unfortunately. Thank you so much. First of all, for offering this uh No, I I I saw him. You were on some interview. Who are you on? Matt Fred. Yeah, I like that guy. I'm supposed to go on his show. You guys know Matt Fred Pints with Aquinus. Yeah. He's a really smart guy. Awesome. And I listened to like 10 minutes of you on him and I texted my team. I said, "I don't know who this guy is, but he's amazing because I've I have really started, as you know, speaking more and more about Islam." Thank you for the very And everyone's I'm I'm hated for 900 different things. I have real jihadis and purple-haired jihadis. I have both. They both hate me. But I I said, I've been looking for you because you can educate me and also you can kind of do some of the the grunt work. I don't I can I don't speak Turkish or Arabic. I don't read I don't have time to study the Quran. I don't want to study that crap. I know it. I know it enough. And so I I think I think really and s really sincerely your voice is incredibly important. I I really appreciate that and I and I I thank you so much. And I think that uh this should be a beginning. We should start talking about this matter very seriously and should should speak up more and more uh from here on because this is a very crucial crucial topic. We don't have time for questions, but if you're okay, would you stay around and just hang with some people? Sure. Yes. Yes. Well, God bless you. It's the apostate prophet. God bless you guys. Thank you so much.