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Tinley weekend. Holy [ __ ] Wow. That's all I got to say. We're going to talk a lot tonight. I'll tell you one thing. Wish I had one person with me at Tinley Big Top Ger Reptiles. Bro, you missed you missed quite a weekend.

>> I had I had FOMO, bro. But what can I say, man? I got a tough six weeks coming and >> I just couldn't, >> you know, couldn't do it, bro. I just I was chilling, chilling, you know.

>> Listen, at the end of the day, bro, I we already discussed this when I thought you weren't going to make it to Trapfest and you pulled up and I was like, I wasn't expecting you because I already know how your schedule is right now. you methodically have everything laid out for your year and uh bro it's why to stay sharp you can't stay off course you know and so um I'm just you know at the end of the day I'm just saying it would have been cool to have you there >> nothing nothing against Tinley bro I'd rather go to Trapfest all day every day so

>> no yeah I agree with that 100% um you know you it was just quite the send off Tinley for me because I won't be at Tinley for a while uh due to you know my baby's about to come my second child's about to come so you know you be tied down from traveling for a bit But man, you know, at the end of the day, regardless of uh the the chain of events that happened, good and bad, at Chinley, it was a it was a good feeling being there, man. I I mean, I'll tell you what, man. People made money for sure. Um that whole market is dead, bro. Just stop that that I mean, I think we already kind of pinned that in the in the in the uh in the bud the other week or whatever or many times, but I saw firsthand [ __ ] making bank. Okay, so shout out to the people who did good at Tinley or had a good time at Tinley. And if I talked, I've met a lot of new people, bro. Bro, so many people asked for you, dude. I had a guy literally I was I forgot what time it was. I was by myself walking to my rental and then I just hear across the [ __ ] parking lot, Big E, Top G, and I'm by myself and I'm just like, "What, bro?" [ __ ] were definitely uh asking where you were at. So, uh yeah, the duo.

>> The duo.

>> Yeah, man. It was fun, dude. So, uh but yeah, dude. What's up? Okay. How was your weekend? What'd you do? Uh, chilled. Chilled. Worked the animals a little bit here and there, but mostly I chilled most of the weekend, bro.

>> Yeah. Lounged up.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Chilled, man.

>> What's up with the everything as far as uh production? Are you Are you

>> Oh, I'm done. I got 55.

>> Cool. That's it. It's a wrap.

>> Yeah. If I get something else, surprise, but I doubt it. So

>> So then how many clutches currently cooking right now? Um, I have another 20. I think I have 25 more. Yeah.

>> Okay. So, they they pretty much come in halves for you. Like it comes in like almost like you get 25 up front, I guess, in a sense, but you feel like your your seasons almost split up like they come as far as how they come all at once.

>> Yeah. Because Mark Mark was telling me that he uh he gets them all at one shot. That that's not what happens for me.

>> Yeah. But man, stuff went really late this this year.

>> Yeah, it was different.

>> Well, I will tell you this without saying too much. I had many sitdowns with some [ __ ] top dogs at Tinley this weekend. Um, some of them, dude, did not have the year they expected. It It was like production-wise very low, like you know. Um, but it's cool because they talk about how to adjust from from that and, you know, they still hit stuff that they wanted to hit like just like just like you, you know.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, now this coming year will be crazy. So, that's how it goes.

>> Yeah. Brandon Nixon, the return. What's up? How do you feel about tonight?

>> Uh, he's a homie. Uh, we talk a lot here and there. We have we have a lot of the same tastes.

>> U, he's killing it with the camera.

>> U, his content.

>> Um, honestly, the guy's great. Um, puts out great information.

>> Yeah,

>> I like him a lot. He's, uh, he's he's doing well. He's up and coming. And yeah, I say up and coming because he's his growth is going to continue, you know.

>> Yeah,

>> I admire that he pays attention to the market and like what's happening even like, you know, throughout what people are making, you know, like the dude knows a lot about current ball python [ __ ] which we're going to get to tonight. Um, but he's also been around for a while, too. like a lot of people um you know, don't understand how some of these guys that we talked to have go back like generations you know and so you know with going back to where Brandon was just working with boas uh, he's seen a lot of changes within the reptile market as a whole um we could talk about tonight and I'm curious on how he feels going into next year so we're going to cover a lot man I'm excited so

>> yeah lots of species uh very experienced

>> again that's you know that's what I like so

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Also, shout out to Prague Morphs, Devon and Terza over in Prague. Killing it. My favorite European couple with literally my favorite ball python projects and top tier all the way. Puzzle Hypo Chocolate all together. I'm telling you, check them out, please. Again, that's Prague Morphs. Go to their website, progorsph.com. You never know what they might have for you. They're also on Morph Market, of course. All the best uh breeders are on Morph Market. That's a fact. Have you guys thought about that? All the real top breeders that we have that are the most respected are on Morph Market. Anyways, just thought I'd throw that out there. Shout out to Morph Market. Uh, Prague Morphs, sorry, it's about Prague Morph. Go to their website, link description below. Thank you so much, Prague Morph.

Also, shout out to the Rice family. Saw them at Tinley. Love to see them bringing Mad Heat. And yeah, they definitely came correct this weekend. Head over to Rice Family's um Instagram account. Just type in Rice Reptiles. Um, go subscribe also to their YouTube channel. Uh, thank you so much Billy and Don over at the Rice Reptiles. Again, check them out. You can find all the links in the description below. And uh, yeah, Big E, you ready for or what? For this uh, recap episode with Brandon Nixon Reptiles. I'm ready to rock.

>> Always ready for these recaps, bro.

>> Always ready for these recaps and so should you guys because this is going to be a banger. All right, episode 692. Let me say that one more time. Episode 692. The recap. Brandon Nixon, Nixon Reptiles. Do what you got to do to stay hydrated. Do what you got to do to get your mind right. We coming hard. We coming correct. Let's go.

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>> What's going on, guys?

>> How are you, buddy?

>> What up?

>> Welcome back, player.

>> Glad to be here. It's always fun. Uh I mean, I talk with Amelia, obviously, a little bit, probably more than I chat with you, but it's always nice coming on to these.

>> Why is that, Brandon? You don't like me or what? How come you don't want to chat? How come you don't want to chat with me, dude?

>> I don't know. You're you're you're a busy guy, but Amelia and I, we focus on the ball pythons probably a little bit more.

>> You do. No, listen, you do. I

>> So, it's a little bit more back and forth about ball python stuff. I don't got a dog in the fight when it comes to tree dwelling snakes. So,

>> Well, I I will say this. I know what I know of you from having you on the show. Um, but then also my home girl, our home girl, Christa, has nothing but good things to say about you. And Christa just don't give flowers. That's what one thing I love about Christa. She don't hand flowers out to [ __ ] anyone. She's not a brown noser like that. So when she does give props to someone, it's real props. So I know you're like that that person like Amelio is. Amelio is when it comes to like not only caring about the ball python game, but like you're [ __ ] dialed in. You're seeing what's happening. You're seeing what works, what doesn't work. And I feel like that's why you're you can't see it, but you're wearing a sunset cape right now and you're you're here to do some work. [ __ ] savior. You know, make sure I don't go too ballistic tonight.

>> It's it's dual-sided, you know, sunset and ultramo. Hey, but okay, let's get to it. Ultram save Sunset, yes or no?

>> I mean, I wouldn't go that far,

>> but it definitely it definitely helped out. I mean, it's one of my favorite projects for Sunset,

>> but I also really like Sunset Hypo. Like, Sunset Hypo is really pretty, too.

>> And up until like this last week, I could have cared less about Sunset Clown, but that Sunset DG clown looked really cool. Like, that thing actually looked really nice. All the pictures that I seen of that thing, it looked it looked really nice. So,

>> well, you guys could all agree right now that you got to have a good quality of hypo or DG when it comes to putting it in sunset. Like, it needs to be like top tier quality because I've seen I've seen hypo sunsets from Brock that look [ __ ] amazing. Then I see some other hypo sunsets that they're okay, but they're just not the same quality. So, I feel like it's important when it comes to that. But ultramal sunsets, bro, I haven't seen one ultram sunset I don't like. Ultram male sunsets have been very impressive and also with the age and I will say shout out to DJ. We just had him on a couple weeks ago or whatnot, but he was the first one to really display what an Ultra Male Sunset will look like as it get as it gets bigger. And yeah, I think right now, dude, Sunset should be bound down to Ultram right now and say thank you.

>> I I have a question.

>> Sure.

>> For Brandon

>> because I gotta push back a little bit.

>> Okay. Tell me another combo that comes even close to Ultramal Sunset in In Sunset.

>> In Sunset. Yeah. Yeah. Please.

>> And I couldn't really tell you. I mean, like I said, I mean, it's it's it's my favorite one.

>> You know what I mean?

>> I'm sorry.

>> But like I said, it's my favorite one, but it's like that's kind of what I mean, though. Like I don't really work a whole lot of Desert Ghost stuff, but that sunset DG clown, it gave me one like hope that the sunset hypo clown is going to look fantastic because I'm trying for that because I think it would look good,

>> but like that did make me Now, I wouldn't necessarily strive for a sunset clown, but like a sunset DG clown combo. I mean, you might just need to skip that one step and it could still be a really pretty animal. But again, all that stuff is personal taste and what different people like.

>> Yeah. At the moment for me, and you know, I'm in the Sunset Project. Uh I've gone certain ways. One one could be really bad, it could be really good. Who knows?

>> Um but for me,

>> Ultrammell Sunset is is I I like to use that KRS1 song. It's number one, two, three, four, and five. I don't think there's anything that comes close to it right now. And I mean, Sunset Sunset Puzzle's in there pretty close, too, though.

>> Yeah, bro. But no, no,

>> you're my boy. You're my boy. But, bro,

>> not for you.

>> I Okay. Well, again, I think Ultra Male is ahead of the game with Sunset, which is great, but there's plenty of other things that will catch up with time. I feel very excited and happy to see um Super Mandarin Hypo Sunsets. That's what I [ __ ] That's what I want.

>> Yeah, that's gonna be nice, too. Yeah, but I want to know I want to know how nice because, you know, as much as I love how much of the pattern stays in an ultramale sunset, just imagine if those patterns were bolder like or or something just a little bit more poppy because I want something that bright that doesn't overshadow the the the pattern. I want something that could

>> I agree with you. I actually

>> Yeah, go ahead. It it's interesting because I think that um I don't really care too much for like sunset hypo, but I think like a sunset hypo ultra male is going to look really neat because my my girl that I have when she like she's in shed right now and I would almost

>> Brandon, you said sunset h you mean ultramale hypo, right?

>> Yeah. Like I think like a sunset ultramar hypo would look really nice because my girl she's in shed right now and she looks like a orange sherbet kind of color and you can almost see the pattern like way better. So it's like I don't know if even doing that you know would kind of make it more where like the pattern's more crisp. You know same thing like adding in the incomplete dominant genes. I mean that could also do the same thing. But I do I do agree with you with like mandarin when you can get a reliable like super mandarin and a reliable test for mandarin and treat it like a recessive gene like a super mandarin like hypo sunset is probably going to maybe even look better than an ultramale sunset because you're going to have more contrast.

>> Yeah. I just want to say thank you for saying incomplete dominant. That really mean like thank you finally dude. I hear one more kodom. I'm gonna get so [ __ ] aggravated dude. Come on, guys. Incomplete dominant. Just want to help you guys out there. Please just freshen it up here. Uh but uh yeah, you know, listen, you're right. Sunset. Okay. Where is sunset at individually now? Like I again, I'm not into the project, so I I want to make sure I'm accurate what I'm thinking about. So, if I wanted to go look for a sunset, what what are what's a visual sunset going for now on average?

>> Couldn't tell you. I don't know.

>> Plus or minus a thousandish.

>> Let's look it up.

>> I've heard that. I I would think like a male probably between like 500 and 800 and a female probably around 1250,000ish maybe.

>> Yeah, I've seen them in the 500 to 600 range.

>> When you when you bought your stuff, Brandon, how much were they back when you when you were investing into them?

>> I got a I got a group from Brock and I paid like 10 grand for it.

>> Oh wow.

>> For like a visual and some hat girls,

>> which is like that was that was a huge deal back then.

>> That was that was actually a pretty good deal at the time. Yeah,

>> that was like kind of right at the slump where they were like not really like popularish and it was like right before they like took off in popularity again. So, I honestly probably bought it at the best time and it's been like the best project for me like since I got into the the ball pythons and the Sunset Ultrammell was the first pairing that I really did to produce like double heads for something with, you know, with that animal. Well, I mean, I'll say what makes me feel good about Sunset, you can't find any visually on on Morph Market. That means people aren't letting them go. Um, because I don't think I don't know. Again, I still my mind kind of still lives in pre-COVID days, but I do think Sunset is worth more than 800 or,000 bucks. I think a lot of this stuff technically should be worth more money, but just because who has the money to spend is very low right now. So, it's kind of all being adjusted. But we all know when Sunset was at its peak of popularity and people were investing, they were they were dropping some big [ __ ] money on Sunset. Um,

>> oh yeah,

>> they were learning the hard way what what are you going to put in Sunset? Not everyone was as lucky. I feel like I feel like some people end up getting Sunset Pinstripes and whatever or you know, nothing against pinstripe. I don't even know why I said that. It's Alio's fault. He's [ __ ] becoming I'm becoming Ailio now. It's terrible. But

>> that's the ugliest probably the ugliest combo. It's the Hey, hold up. Hold up. It's the ugliest Hey, you started something out. I'mma finish it.

>> That's the ugliest monsoon combo and it's the ugliest sunset combo probably.

>> By the way, I got free pin.

>> Brandon, what do you think? Am I being too harsh?

>> Go bring I I think I mean I think pinstripes are pretty cool looking though.

>> Not in in sunset and monsoon. I mean, there's there's quite a few things that I would keep out of monsoon, but yeah, pinstripe's definitely one of them.

>> Okay, here's a good topic, guys. Um, let's say, and again, no shame, right? Everyone comes in with different type of pockets. Let's say somebody's, you know, they're sorting after a sunset project, right? But visually, it's just a little bit too much for them to invest. Um, they find a pinstripe that's 100% het sunset. um or like a gene that just isn't too favored in sunset, but they're not worried about that. They just want to get sunset. Is it worth going that route? Um like buying something that's he with what you want to work with, but you know that incomplete dominant isn't the ideal thing. Like not even you want it, but all you give a [ __ ] All you give a [ __ ] about is making sunsets. Is that would you tell someone to to go that route, Brandon? What would you say to that?

>> Times are different right now. I'll tell you that. But I I I would So I'm in that situation myself personally, but that's because I bought into an animal like two years ago when beggars couldn't be choosers.

>> Exactly.

>> And and and I got from Brock a spider mojave doublehead DG monsoon female.

>> She's awesome. She doesn't wobble. She doesn't do anything. So but that's not a desirable gene.

>> Yeah.

>> But at the time beggars couldn't be choosers. And I paid a lot of money for that animal. So, it wasn't even like super cheap, but it was thousands cheaper than like a double head DG monsoon because it has spider attached to it. Now, would I get like a pinstripe pet sunset to get into the sunset project? No. Like, you know, you're not going to be that down bad. But like, you know, it's, you know, sometimes bakers can't be choosers. You just got to kind of get what you can get. But you also have to like consider the value of like an animal. Like there's some butt ugly Cosmos things that I've seen out there, but people will still buy those with jeans that are not necessarily desirable for that project either

>> because they want to get in it.

>> I can't I can't say that's not a that's not a lie. I I feel like uh I mean I can't say that's a lie that I I agree with you. Wait, hold on. What am I trying to say? I'm trying to say that I agree with you here. That's all I'm trying to say.

>> Yeah, but thing with the cosmos is that that's still an investment gene, right? It still is cuz you could

>> Yeah. But but two three years ago a freaking monsoon was an investment.

>> Oh yeah, for sure. But but right now

>> it's all it's all a matter of time frame.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure.

>> Like I said, times are different right now. Right now I would be a little bit pickier.

>> Yeah. You have to be

>> depending on the gene.

>> There's a ton of animals on the market and you if you don't find said animal on the market, you message a few breeders, see what they have, see if they're willing to let go of something. But there's plenty of animals out there that are perfect

>> for for for a lot of projects. But the ones that are like

>> the ones that like people want to ride the hype wave on, they might get stuck with something that isn't desirable for the keeper to have,

>> right?

>> And you know, and then they just that that's what they get. That's what they can get, you know? So it's like if that's where you start, you got to hope for the best, keep the holdbacks that don't have the undesirable genes, and then grow from there. Um, my god, what were we just talking about right now? My mind I had something I wanted to add and I was trying to keep my mouth shut so I didn't want to be rude.

>> Talking about the monsoons and undesirable genes and all that kind of stuff

>> or undesirable genes for projects rather

>> buying in on a project that has something that you wouldn't want.

>> Right. So again, Alio, not determine the situation. You you still are against going that route. You you

>> Yeah, 100%. There's way too there's too many perfect animals out there to have to go a route where you're you're like, "Fuck, man. I I [ __ ] I hope I don't hit that, man. Oh my god. Oh,

>> oh, I did this pairing, but man, I hope this doesn't hit."

>> Yeah.

>> You don't want to be there anymore. We're not there. We're We are not there. There's plenty of animals. There's a lot of affordable ways to do this now. You know, there's lots of stuff on auction. Uh buy the right animals. Don't Don't get into something you don't want. And And you know what? If if you have to do it that way, maybe you should wait a little bit.

>> Yeah.

>> And and I and I agree that that applies to like 95 if not 99% of the projects.

>> Yeah.

>> But those like rogue examples of like a cosmos animal, a twister animal, whatever is on like the top echelon of stuff coming out, if they bred that animal into a project that makes something like not that great, then it's like, you know, maybe you'll get in and maybe that's like your your way in. I don't know.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> But that's like the exception, not the rule.

>> Yeah, for sure. But, you know, there there you have to breed it to maybe a good amount of animals to

>> and and also an important thing to mention too is like if you do get that animal that's undesirable, get it on the female side so you're not spreading it throughout your entire collection.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. I I've been a fan of Cosmos for a handful of years now. Ever since that dude Ralph, hope I say his name right, was showing them off. But I guess guess what? My favorite Cosmos I've ever seen came from that dude that he's posted. Um, it I will tell you right now, Cosmo is not going to be a walk in the park. It's going to be something where it's not.

>> It's going to be I mean I I just like you're going to go through some [ __ ] some some some some iffy ones before I feel like you hit some

>> some frogs to get your prince

>> almost like sunset. I feel like dude in a sense, but just incomplete dominant wise. And and I know that's not a cheap gene to work with right now. still very expensive and like you're you're gonna spend a lot of money and so but at the end of the day I appreciate for what it is because I love that you know take say what you want about the ball python game but we still have morphs that are worth 20 30 [ __ ] thousand dollars. Um and people selling it with no issue. Shout out to Justin with Bambino [ __ ] but that is killing it with that Bambino gene. We just had them on last week I think. Um and again

>> granite stuffated yeah the granite [ __ ] which you've always said you've been a fan of that granite [ __ ] Um, that's the huge future of this hobby is all that granite stuff, dude. Which is great because that's all visually going to be amazing.

>> Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I I love all that stuff. Um,

>> yeah,

>> I'm I'm still waiting to get in. Uh, I'm going to wait a little bit. Um, but pattern animals right now, you know, crazy pattern stuff, you know, puzzle stuff, monsoon stuff,

>> trick stuff, trick/hur.

>> I mean, that's that's the stuff that's on my radar big time,

>> right? We we got hurricane over here.

>> Oh, okay. Hold on. Let's get to that topic and how you feel like what is right in this situation. Like is it just too late to go back to what is the original?

>> Like I don't hurricane the name sounds better.

>> Okay, I don't mind. I honestly you're right, but it got jacked, bro. Like that's a that was a thievery maneuver from this gentleman. Okay, dude.

>> I I agree with you. Hurricane's a better name and the animals most of the time look bad.

>> We don't support Kleptos in this game, dude.

>> Hey, we don't.

>> But, you know, it's like look look at look at the acid confusion stuff, too. I mean, I've heard a ton of people saying those literally came from like the same like clutch of animals. They just went in different places, you know? It's like

>> I know I know we have I know we I know we have Dell who's stubborn in his ways with Trick and he does he has a right to I got put on game because of him but like

>> I think the Trick people who invested in Trick should [ __ ] get like a uh like they should get a right to if they want to car their [ __ ] Hurricane they could. Um only because dude Hurricane is that much more expensive than Trick. Crazy.

>> Can I can I say something to you guys? Uh, I don't know if you've guys you guys have noticed, but every time I I refer to confusion, I refer to confusion acid. And I feel like with Trick and Hurricane, I'm gonna do the same thing. I to me, they're the same genes. They do the same stuff. That's how I feel about it. And

>> I I refer to my stuff as whatever I got it as. I've got some I've got some Confusion stuff and I've got some acid stuff.

>> Yeah.

>> And it's just that's what's on my label, you know? confusion acid like both or just it would have

>> no like I have like I have like a you know a confusion hypo and then I have like a confusion pi but then there's like I have a black pastel acid like it's the same thing but I just call them like what I got them as

>> yeah I I think that's what we should do to in fairness to the customer uh even though MJ's correct more than likely it all started from a trick

>> and trick is a fun name too but like

>> it just sounds like you're up to something even though it's obviously the other way around. You know, it just sounds like you're up to something.

>> But that was the whole trick to begin with. It was [ __ ] multi [ __ ] like, oh, I'll show you who the trick is.

>> But, you know, it go it goes into like your it goes into like your other favorite topic. It's line breeding that caused how nice these look.

>> 100%.

>> Like the hurricane stuff that I have is so so nice and so like busy patterned.

>> Like they look so good.

>> Yeah. I mean, and that's the thing is like throughout time, some of this [ __ ] just gets better and better and better. And that's like the point of working with a project that ages well because you could create something that throughout years of creating it, it's only it's like coming from you for a reason because

>> you have that line like we I mean Aussie is the best example. Like look at all the amazing lines sent again. Look at all the amazing lines lines of orange dream that this guy has made. He's made so much crazy [ __ ] that people think it's something else. Holy [ __ ] It's that good. But also like bro like it's okay to like first and foremost our we our eyes want to see what we want to see but sometimes our ears want to hear what we want to hear and it's okay to [ __ ] just come down to re you know real life sometimes and just understand that this is a huge possibility to where if you still have not seen a shed test on Scrambler and it's 2026. Hello dude. It's just a beautiful line.

>> Hey, so

>> and then that's the other thing. There's nothing wrong with that.

>> No,

>> there's nothing there's nothing wrong with it being a beautiful line of lime bred animals that look phenomenal.

>> And if things were being marketed that way, I feel like there'd be a lot more a lot less push back.

>> Why? Why? Look at the Barnhart Black Pastel line. That's [ __ ] awesome. Everyone knows it's

>> and and it commands more than cinnamon and more than black pastel because it's proven that it's a beautiful animal and it produces beautiful offspring.

>> Yeah.

>> And and listen, in time doing this a long time, right, you figure out that if you breed your animals to the best animals possible, you end up making beautiful animals a generation after generation. And that's how you become a guy like Azie. That's how you, you know, make hurricane so beautiful.

>> Uh, I've said this quite a few times, even if my homies don't like it.

>> Hurricane animals are nicer than trick animals for the most part.

>> Do Now,

>> is it is it that Hold on. Is it that obvious, Alio?

>> To me, it is.

>> Then they should I could pull out one of my hurricane animals right now and you're not even you're not going to question if it's a hurricane. Hold on. Let me finish.

>> Hold on. Let me finish. They have the same inconsistencies with pattern. Okay. Both of them. But when you when it comes to color and and and how the animals look to me, the hurricanes always look better. That's all I'm saying.

>> Okay. Well, then I retract what I said, then they should not be considered the same. If they are if they are noticeably nicer, if one's nicer, then hurricane

>> I was about to make a joke about this that split gene.

>> Yeah. which which I heard people say that too when I when I posted a video on my hurricane stuff. It's like I was trying to figure out whether my male was a super or not and he tested not to be a super. So that explains it. But a lot of people were saying the the hurricanes that have that extra hurricaneness to them. It's because of that split gene that's like amplifying. But I don't know how much truth there is into that either. Well,

>> so it's telling me they're what we're saying now is that Justin,

>> uh, you know, guys like Morph Jungle,

>> all these guys that have produc produced massive amounts of Hurricane never noticed that there was something bouncing around.

>> Hey, I'm not saying it's I'm not saying I'm not saying you are. I'm not saying you are,

>> but you know, we're going back to to little nuances that might be

>> Oh, yeah.

>> to totally exactly nuances. Exactly. It's one of those like jeans that just kind of tags along. Yes. Like a like a red gene or a ringer gene and blackhead

>> that never expresses.

>> It's just it's just there.

>> It never expresses fully.

>> Yeah.

>> Never expresses fully and doesn't do anything on its own.

>> But it enhances the base of whatever that incomplete dominant is.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Well, I will say this also on this topic. If Scrambler is proven not to be its own morph and it's a line, I still think it should be worth valuably higher than a OD or something because it has it has that great unknown effect. I'm not saying that value should just go to [ __ ] No, I'm just I just want accurate [ __ ] information here. Like, can we just clean up the information and not

>> they're they're they're nice.

>> And I sent I sent a picture that someone took at um Tinley of some scrambler clown thing and that thing looked phenomenal. It looked really cool,

>> but the usual genes were also at play within that animal.

>> Yeah. you know, and and it just is what it is. And it's I I would I would think that it would be better in general for the project just to be pushed as a line

>> until it's proven otherwise reliably

>> because I don't think that that base gene shows anything. Like I've produced a ton of normals that look exactly like what people are calling a scrambler by itself,

>> you know? It's the typical thing, you know, and OD and Calico have like a phenomenal reaction with each other.

>> Yeah. You know, like they they they just do, you know, same thing.

>> Yeah. And so imagine again generations of bringing them back to each other, bro. It's going to get even more insane and not real looking, you know?

>> Yeah, for sure.

>> So I I I I'm going to share my frustration live. Do not attack the whistleblower, okay? The whistleblower is just telling you what everyone out there's saying. They just don't want to say it. You know, it's it's plain and simple. What you're hearing from us, okay, is what's being said by 80% of the people that know what the hell they're doing out there.

>> I I think we should I should we should rerun those numbers. I think it's closer to 90%.

>> I mean, I'm being

>> a lot. It's a lot of people, bro. A lot.

>> So, all right. Oh, this guy is such an [ __ ] Oh, man. He's He's hurting my project. Sorry. I'm telling you what people are saying, and that's our job.

>> Yeah.

>> Hey, they're they're beautiful animals. And the one thing that's different with ball pythons in comparison to like literally everything else is line breeding in boas, in blood pythons, in hognose snakes, and tree pythons and emerald tree boas. All that stuff that line breeding is encouraged.

>> And that line breeding produces like

>> a level of desiraability for a project because it comes from a certain lineage of like animals in production. So there's absolutely nothing wrong with that being the basis.

>> Like there really isn't. It just needs to be

>> like I don't know. I guess like promoted or like you know the reason for what it is. I guess I don't know.

>> It's just we're going fast with ball pythons and you have to create that buzz and and get them you know the animals are produced, they're fed and they have to move and you have to market them, right? But I mean, in this case, it might be too fast. But, you know, to each his own, right?

>> I mean, at the end of the day, there's routes you take in the condro game where you look at a snake like Billsteagle and necessarily, yeah, you could buy two snakes that look like that and make more. Or you could go other routes and make a line that will get to that point throughout a few years, probably a lot, like 10 years. But at the end of the day, people don't want to wait. like, you know, people want to find the quickest way to get to the next route as soon as possible versus just generationally just doing it and making it better and better, which I understand because there's no time to wait in the ball python game. It's so quick and you got to move fast. But also, like that's why I feel like it should be legit, too. What we're talking about, are you selling a morph or you selling a line? That should be transparently [ __ ] out there for people to know instead of the confusion that's happening because there's still a high number ticket on these scrambler [ __ ] You know what I mean? And that's fine, but just I just want people to know the facts. You know,

>> the the biggest problem I think that I have with some of that stuff is that sometimes it's the people that are just getting in and they're like would freaking Amelio call it more horny or some [ __ ] one time. I don't even know what the hell said.

>> I don't know. Like I don't know. I remember I remember hearing that somewhere. I don't know what the hell, but like it was like

>> I called them No, I said two minute and five minute breeders.

>> Yeah, five minute. Yeah, five minute breeders. Well, either way though, like if if people that are just getting in and they're just like aruck by the the sheer options that are out there and they have like money to invest and they want to do it, like they could be susceptible to making bad choices.

>> Yeah.

>> And it's like and the the thing that I think

>> the the the bigger thing that kind of sucked within the BOAS when I was in there is it's

>> I don't know, man. It's like people one, they just didn't really share information and there was always this, oh, if you want to make a million dollars in bows, you have to start with $2 million. And it's like that doesn't do any good for anybody. Everybody at every level has to be successful. And if you have people that are just getting into it and they're not successful, they're going to get out, you know, and it's like it's just not good. Like everybody's success needs to be compounded, you know, within just the reptile hobby just in general. But at the end of the day, man, everybody's story of success is so different. And not everyone has success in this game. It's just [ __ ] not like, you know, and I hate to put it on such a pedestal, but god damn, you know, people want to do this for a living. I I guarantee if there was a a signup sheet and I said, "Fucking, let's go." And and and it all made sense financially, they had a guarantee, they would [ __ ] do it in a heartbeat. It's just not easy. And it's scary right now. 20 2025 it's just you got [ __ ] going back to their careers which is great being smart because they see the future you know and when you have again I feel like a lot of this has come from people who have too big of an overhead dude they always had a big overhead and you could get away with a big overhead for so long but when you have a huge adjustment period like what's happening right now guess what happens to that overhead dude [ __ ] collapses on you and then you can't even [ __ ] then what it's not fun no more then the fund's over that's I get why, you know, talking to some people who are exiting, dude, it's just they're it's not a fun thing for them. And so, God bless them. You know, they'll they can either come back or work with something else or whatever, dude. And they're all, you know, a lot of these people are good people. I just want that to be [ __ ] known. Like, a lot of these people are really good people. Um

>> Yeah. You got to think like the, you know, like I talk with um with Gravy quite a bit and he's, you know, Ralph Davis's guy who like still like works with him and sees him and everything else.

>> That's cool. But it's like they kept those animals in like Ralph's like house.

>> Like Ralph was the Justin of like his day.

>> He kept those shits in his house.

>> Pete Call kept those things in his house. Like all those big names from like time ago, they kept those things in your house. Like you don't

Need some like you like Barry Swope for instance. Like Barry, that guy's awesome. Dude has dude has like not a closet but a small room where he keeps his [ __ ]. Like you don't need to like have this absorbent like operation to do well. You could absolutely do insane things with 20, 30 clutches a year of like very good animals. Like it doesn't need to be like a freaking warehouse and building and employees and like all this other nonsense.

Setting your expectations is huge. Pre-2018, that was the vibe, bro. Bigger the better. Like I remember coming in in 20. It's just more headaches. Yeah. Well, but obviously it's not the that's not the vibe no more. Everyone's starting to see less is more now, which which thankfully, but a lot of the people um that did have too much to [ __ ] going on was a part of that era where like a 100 clutches was cool. Like everybody should shoot for 100 clutches.

Um, yeah, um, but yeah, it's just at the end of the day, like when you get to that point, can you manage it? And that's why I give props to people like Alio and [ __ ] who who hit 50 plus clutches on a regular basis because it's a lot of work, but you got to know what to do with that work, man. Like I feel like the breeding is the easy part, man. It's like what do you do with the animal next? Like if you don't want to hold it back and first and foremost, holdbacks take up space. So make sure you got that space, right? But what are you going to do with the stuff you don't want, you know? And and and are you well known enough to [ __ ] let that [ __ ] go to somebody?

Um, or thank God I'm more market auctions. Hey, what do you think of the auctions? Let me I want to. What do you think overall, Brandon, about the uh auctions happening on Morph Market? I mean, I'm fine with them. I know like for a bit there, there was like a period where you could get do like unlimited like per month and stuff and like that was, you know, some people were like kind of abusing that situation, I guess.

Yeah. Um, I throw stuff up on there occasionally and usually it's it's stuff that I either A think is going to go for like a decent value because it's a good example of the animal, but for the most part, it's like lower-end animals that like I don't necessarily want to like hold on to, but at the same time, it could be something either for like a pet for somebody or just like a cool little base animal for like a project.

It's always been crucial for me, man. Like I I I mind you, I have my one or two where I'm like, "Okay, like thanks for wasting my [ __ ] time." And there's nothing you can really do about that. Dude, I had a goddamn leopard gecko I paid $350 for go for $11. I blame Christa for that [ __ ]. She got me freaking looking at those cute little bastards and I thought because I just like animals, man. I just like the reptiles. Like the snakes, the liz like they're all like so cool. Like there's so many different varieties and I've just figured out that lizards are just not for me. Yeah, they're a lot of work, dude. They're a lot of work. Go ahead, Neil.

Yeah, I agree with that. Uh, for me, the auctions, uh, guys, put up a respectable starting bid. Um, don't burn all your auctions all at once. Don't burn all your auctions when you see the most auctions you've seen all month up. Uh, and a and don't bid on your own auctions. Um, yeah, don't do it, guys. Trust me. Um, be aware of your surroundings. If there's four or 500 auctions up, a good amount of those aren't getting bids. And I mean, you're going against 600 auctions, you might want to save that to where there's 250 or 300 or you're going against less animals. So, I don't know, things like that. That's that's those are the things I look at.

I don't know if it's just a salesman in me, but every time like so what I like to do is like I try to get some like some really cool incomplete dominant eye candy snake that just looks pretty and it's het for something. But put it on there, no expectations and when it sells for a good amount of dollar like I always get more than I really expect with some of this stuff. Um, but then I'll like try to offer like a normal triple het like on the house. Good luck. And they'll take it sometimes, dude. I'm telling you. So sometimes one auction turn no once one sometimes one auction will turn into four or five snakes is what I'm trying to say.

Uh, if I thought you were talking about like the the pretty incomplete dominant animal like selling for well and then having like a double or triple het that goes for like nothing because that's that's like the issue at the auction, man. These people don't read. They don't read. Yeah. You're just like, dude, like this is like carrying this other stuff. Like what what's going on here? Or or Brandon, sometimes they just don't give a [ __ ].

Yeah. But then they see something pretty and colorful and they're like, "All right, max bid. Let's let it ride." And it's like that that's where we're at in the market though, man. It doesn't matter if it carries all this stuff and you're stacking three, four recessives. Like it needs to be visually appealing. The other side, the other side of the market is now in the auctions as well. You know, the the people buying pretty animals, they're in there.

Which which is the benefit of one, going on to shows like this, the benefit of actively doing things on your Instagram, actively putting out videos on YouTube. Yeah. Dude, like, if a hundred or 200 people see it, that's a lot of people that are potentially going to see your product or your animal. Like, you're doing yourself a disservice by at least not putting out like clutch reviews or whatever for different things that you produce.

Yeah. You know, because that's how like especially with people that are newer in the hobby, like they're actively looking, okay, like Ultramo ball python, like you want your video to show up, you know, like they want to see that stuff. They want to like involve themselves and like see the options and the possibilities out there. Oh, let me let me say this, guys. I'll also tell you that there's there are some that are saying, "Oh, mainly auctions are selling Morph Market." Bro, I sold four animals this weekend off of the sales section.

You know? I mean, it it could be done. You just have to hold hold tight and and and uh, you know, maybe fight the the the the maybe fight the the the re, you know, to go to the auction, you know, maybe you could wait a little bit, you know. I mean, you know, and and also too, like even just having something out there. Sorry. Even even having something in the auction section could get people to look from there onto your main store. Likewise, in like the deals section. So, if you have something in those different categories at a time, you're at least upping your possibility for people seeing something and then going to look and see what else you have.

Yeah. Um, how much have uh you've been utilizing Morph Market shipping? You've been you've been been at it since day one. Yeah. How many So, how many how many off the top of your head? I don't know if you know, but I can look it up real quick. How many packages have you shipped out? I I like to hear the savings. I heard I heard enough. I heard all Tinley weekend people were telling me how much money they've been saving and all stoked about.

I I already know and although Morph Market's website is pretty annoying to like scroll through sometimes. There's like five different panels to get to stuff. Um, so it says I've had 119 shipments that I've shipped through Morph Market. So like if you're averaging about 25, let's say 25 just to be on the low side. Yeah. That was what 119. So I've saved just under three grand at a minimum. At a minimum and that's been what since like November or something of like last year. Like you're approaching a year. You're approaching your year of using it. And let's just say about 30. You got more that you're shipping out uh before November. You got animals going out or no? I got like another four that I'm shipping out this week. Yeah. Oh, call 3K. Man, that's that's a lot. You know, Bob V talks minimum and I and I know that it's more than that because there were some things I would look up and the different it'd be like 120 bucks to ship and then through Morph Market it was like 46 bucks.

Yeah, man. Not to mention the local ones that are like 20, $30 and not, you know, other places be like 90. Dude, yeah. Shipped to Sacramento, $28. I couldn't believe it. Yeah. What the [ __ ] This is epic. Um, and what's crazy, I could actually say this right now. Um, they're they're at 72% discount. It's going up to 75%. Yeah. So, uh, yeah, just guys, I think it's happening uh I think Halloween, I believe, is when they're launching it and it's it's going to be for the rest of the year. So, it's about to be 75% for the rest of the year. Nice. Yeah, that'll help out with, you know, the getting getting stuff shipped out before the weather gets a little too cold in places that aren't, you know, California or Florida. Yeah, basically. So, go ahead, Alio. Lots of delays lately and I've heard that it's it could be attributed to the air traffic controllers. Yeah. Don't ship on a Monday. Yeah. Well, no. I've heard Tuesdays and Wednesdays stuff is being delivered. I know, but like people people shipping on Monday are like asking for trouble. Like I was, you know, yeah. You know, I you know, Darien was talking about 300 some shipments or whatever were like basically late the other week, but that was because these people shipped out like Monday for Tuesday. Like that's the worst day you could ship right next to Thursday for Friday. Yeah. I pretty much always just ship Tuesday for Wednesday or Wednesday for Thursday because if there is a delay, they're not going to be stuck over a weekend and then they're not going to get stuck on the catchup day on Monday. So, just ship smart.

Um, let me ask you about any of the newer stuff that's been, you know, popping out lately. You know, I talked about Bambino, but there's Tornado. Is there any new gene out there that you really have your eyes on that's in the like upper up and coming of the ball python game, Brandon? Not. I mean, they're cool, but like I like the stuff that I got honestly. Pretty good. Like, I like the projects that I have. There's stuff that I would want to like incorporate like getting ingredients and stuff like that and kind of mixing it in. Yeah. But like I'm I'm just not the person that's gonna spend 20, $30,000 on an animal and especially it being like an incomplete dominant animal that you got people that are like leaps and bounds ahead. Like okay, like let's say in a hypothetical world, you know, um, Cosmos, right? Justin has all of that stuff and like DG clown stuff. I don't have anything in DG clown, so I literally have to get like from the bare scraps, pay a ton of money and then hope that like the value doesn't disintegrate. And for me, like there's so many things that are so close to that that are not as expensive that it's fine, you know, like you got, I mean, you have like Stranger, you have like Hurricane that does a lot of really cool stuff. You got Acid that does a lot of cool stuff. You got Paint that does a lot of cool stuff. There's so many adjacent things to get a very similar look that doesn't come with like a super elevated value because of the hype.

Yeah. You know, Stranger is something that like, man, I was right there many times ready to drop. I heard your story the last time. Yeah. Yeah. I was ready to drop some crazy money on Stranger and and when I finally did, it was it was pretty hefty, but then it just I felt like overnight, bro. It completely just was like, wow. Like, what happened to the prices? Um, I mean, I didn't give a [ __ ] because I like the Stranger for what it is and and Yeah. And same here. Yeah. And and that's it. But also, it's like, you know, just you got to know how to just be okay with whatever happens to the market and just know that you got cool [ __ ] that you're working with that regardless of the price, you'll make something where that will be valuable regardless. And that's what's all that matters, man. Like, you guys just focus on making something that looks cool. Like, [ __ ] the name. You know, obviously the name matters, but dude, just make sure you are putting [ __ ] together that looks cool. And if you make a bunch of that [ __ ], people are going to have eyes on you. People will look at stuff that's cool. Me, for me, when I when I get to the point where a het tornado, maybe with something added to it, um, is sexy and is at the right price, I'm definitely going to go for that.

See, and that's and that's where I'm at, too. Like I would be okay with getting those projects if they fit within my my like collection of stuff that I have. Yeah. But it would have to be at a dollar value. Like you like you just I don't know. It's one of those annoying things. You can either get in like way like at the beginning when it's like at its like pre-peak or you can get in like down here. You don't really want to get in in that spot like in the middle because that's the spot where like you're going to invest and then like the next year it's going to like lose a ton of value and and again, it doesn't need to be about like the value. It's just how much you value like adding that gene to like those projects. And you know, at at the end of the day, like if you're mixing that stuff into like other stuff, you know, it's I mean, like, what's the difference, right? Between like a Sunset Monarch and a Sunset Ultraml? They're both going to be expensive as hell. They're both going to be like the same like value. Like it doesn't really matter. It's just what fits your project better.

Yeah. But you're so right, man, about the level of like the level of where a morph's at is really important on when to get in getting into it, you know, because I mean, as much as we're talking about Ultram Sunset, I feel like we're going to see a [ __ ] ton of Ultram Sunsets within the next year or two here pretty soon. Like I've talked to a lot of people who've like told me about. Everybody's stuff's coming up. Yeah. It's coming up, dude. And which is cool. That's great. Um, but like that's why how quick move [ __ ] moves. Like if you're if you're somebody who's like, "Oh my god, I got Ultram Sunset visually hatching out in May of next year, you're going to have hundreds already by then." So just just so you know, I mean, that's a high number. I don't know about hundreds. Hey, doz but a dozen or two. You're have a baker a baker's dozen or two. Yeah, I already got a buddy that's raising ultramale double heads uh for Sunset Clown. And no one knows. You know, no one knows that stuff. There's plenty of people out there raising animals and getting clutches and they're just in the background. So, um, I'm with MJ. You're going to see you're going to see plenty of Ultram Sunset stuff coming soon. And but all that stuff is good for that project and any other project though because you're going to see like a variety of things that are done.

Yeah. You know, like I have, you know, it's just like blackhead sunset, hypo blackhead sunset. I even have like a hypo pi hat sunset. like I have things for like these different projects and it's like I'm really looking forward to seeing what other people do so I can see if that works really well or if maybe it doesn't work well and like what I want to put into it. So the more you see of a lot of that stuff the better it is because you can get direction for what you want for your vision I feel like.

And let me add something to what we were just talking about getting into a new gene. Um, when I see something, I know that I'm going to get it. Yeah. Okay. Did um, am I there yet? Am I am I comfortable? Where's the market at? You know, what do I see coming? How how much of this is going to be produced? Who's working it? Um, but I know for a fact I'll be working tornado in the next couple years. I I just love it, you know, and it's a recessive at the end of the day.

And it's a recessive at the end of the day. So, I mean, I I don't think you could go wrong there. So, it's just like when I saw Monsoon, I knew I was going to work it. It's just, okay, when when, you know, when when am I gonna take the the jump, you know, or the plunge? Well, at least at least you're at the level where you're at and you're still thinking about that next plunge that you got to take. Love this [ __ ] bro. That that's what they that's that's the thing, MJ, you know, and and and Brandon, the guys that don't believe in this game don't feel that. They don't understand that. They don't understand.

Uh, they don't understand, man. The the the love the love of the game, you know. Um, yeah. I need I I need. Go ahead. That It's that simple. Yeah. Well, I just uh I wish I could be like Brandon and be like, "Oh, there's nothing else I need to [ __ ] add. I'm [ __ ] straight." I'm not. I need to add something. I need. There's There's There's stuff to add for sure, but it's just a matter of like that that thing. But you have some cool [ __ ] foundations going for you. Like you have some said ultim one is one that we're talking about. If I if I had such a powerful [ __ ] double recessive like that with all the incomplete dominance I needed, I I would be in a good place too. But I'm not happy with clown hypo [ __ ] or you know, I got clown hypo DG stuff in the works. But I'm I'm I'm talking about like this Granite stuff that I need to start considering because again, I want [ __ ] to be relevant in the future and if I stay where I'm at, dude, I'm going to plateau here pretty quick and I need to I need to start thinking of the future was what I'm getting at.

I mean again though, like comes to like pieces, right? Because it's like I've got a super gravel clown. She's so nice. She's so cool looking. She's got like great color. She's got like all that stuff. So it's like a little tweak to that of like adding hurricane of adding acid confusion, whatever. Like doing those things could just like just turn that in like a completely like different way. That's a good idea. It's it's at the point of like where it's like fine-tuning something that like looks nice already. And then it's like, okay, so you make that and then it's like, okay, maybe we can see what that looks like in Ultramale because I already have double head ultra male clowns or clown head ultramale, whatever. You know, it's like you can pivot those incomplete dominant genes into those visual head whatevers to like make really, really neat stuff. Like something that would be great to have and there's zero of them out there is a freaking Hurricane Ultraml. Christa got like a phenomenal looking Hurricane Ultraml, but that stuff isn't available because people are trying to think, oh, I need the freaking triple whatever recessive nonsense, but they're not even taking the time to put like such a basic incomplete dominant gene into a recessive and it being like widely available to like put into projects as an ingredient. You practically have to start from zero.

Yeah, that's so true. Because you can't get to the true [ __ ] like worth of the squeeze here when you are not considering all the incomplete dominance you could put in a double dominant. Yeah, because there's like again, and then when you're just shooting for the triple, dude, there's already triples being made, but it's not with the [ __ ] substance of the incomplete dominance and you you can only do that by stepping up the ladder. You got to see what you can do with all the double recessive [ __ ] and then it's on its way to the triple. But it's the whole idea of let me jump to the triple without having any [ __ ] banging incomplete dominance in the mix. Like, you know what I mean? Like, you need that [ __ ] to have a separation between all the other competition that's out there. That's that's what's going to save you in this game.

Hey, ain't nobody just eating a steak, right? Right, Brandon? You need the [ __ ] salad. You need the. You need the lobster. You need the. Did you Did you watch my video before this or something? I saw your video today, brother. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, I just I just put that out. But yeah, like I made like a whole video about like why incomplete dominance are better than recessives. Yeah, I'm trying to think. They just are. They they add everything that makes the project like better. Well, they're here. It's good, but it's better with those incomplete dominant genes. They're here. They're here for a reason. And there's a reason why they were more popular than recessives at one point. Like they they're much needed. Okay. And again, it's a part of the newer stuff that we have coming in. Like we're talking about Bambino and other [ __ ] incomplete dominance that are just going to be a force to be reckoned with here in the next few years. Um, but yeah, just slow down, dude. Like, I get it. Triples are awesome, but goddamn, you better you better have some sort of a double recessive foundation happening before you're worrying about triples. I feel like I mean, I'm not saying you can't have both. Go ahead, go for it. I mean, sky's the limit. But if you don't have solid [ __ ] double recessive uh projects with the [ __ ] right incomplete dominance that you like going, then dude, what what are you doing? Chill out. I would I would reverse. I really would pull back. Pull back. Uh, but that being said, um, hold on. Let's get to commercial break. All right, we're going to cut to a commercial break. We got some really cool topics we're going to get into. So guys, do me a favor real quick. Why the [ __ ] are the likes 33 and there's 80 people tapped in? Can we please please please get the likes up respectfully. Getting hella knowledge right now. Spitting mad [ __ ] game and facts. Appreciate it. Be right back after this commercial. Sorry for the interruption, folks, but a quick word from our sponsors.

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All right, we're back at it. Please hit that like button, folks. Really means a lot. Uh, but yeah, let's get back to it here, fellas. Um, you know, at the end of the day, uh, Brandon, there's been a lot of kind of [ __ ] crazy events that's popped off this year. Or somebody somebody recommended I do a solo podcast and just recap everything that happened this year because it's been it's been quite the ride, you know what I mean? Um, but I will say one thing I witnessed this weekend, not only in person, but via phone, there's some crazy cases of me mental illness happening right now, bro. There's some [ __ ] losing their mind. It really is. And it's crazy. I think, you know, obviously there's some crazy times happening right now. Um, but have you ever seen such a an adjustment in the market where like people are noticeably crashing out like doing crazy things, going on podcastes, [ __ ] [ __ ] on the market, [ __ ] on like the upper tier. What what is happening? Like, you know, I always talk I always say never bite the hand that feeds you. Holy [ __ ], we have some crazy cases of this right now. You know what I mean? And I'm curious, have you ever witnessed any of this before being in the game as long as you have? I want to hear it.

I mean, all that stuff. I mean, the podcast thing just in general is you know pretty new I guess to an extent within the past like couple of years. Right. You know, but that just situation just doesn't make sense to me. Like I mean, I just I don't even really have like words for it because it just doesn't make sense and it. I I just don't understand especially if it's an industry that you and I don't even like the word industry, but if it's like a hobby and something you truly like enjoy, like why why do you want [ __ ] on it? Right? Like I I just don't get it, you know, because it's the animals in general and just like the community that this is, it just brings like it just brings a lot of joy, you know? The animals like they're just cool, man. Like they're they're they're so rewarding. Not even just like on a financial level, just like a enjoyment level. Right? So yeah, I don't get it. And again, you know, trying to be a part of something you're not enjoying. Good luck lasting, dude. You're not going to [ __ ] stick around for long because guess what? People like people on this screen, people in the chats, we don't give a [ __ ]. Okay? We don't give a [ __ ] about you, about your [ __ ] whatever thing that you got going on, your agenda, because guess what? You're going to [ __ ] tire out while we're just breeding here, making cool [ __ ] talking about every week, and inspiring [ __ ] who want to be a part of this [ __ ] hobby. Okay? We're too busy inspiring over here. Really inspiring. And so you're right, Brandon. It it makes no sense to me why someone would want to be a part of something while they're [ __ ] on it. Doesn't compute. But I can only think [ __ ] must be going through some [ __ ]. I mean, there's multiple people at this point. Multiple people trying to [ __ ] on what we're doing because their life is so [ __ ] miserable, dude. And if you kind of just look a little between the [ __ ] smoke the the mirror smoke mirrors, these people are [ __ ] up, man. Not only physically, but like I said, mentally, dude. These people are [ __ ] up. And so I want nothing to do with [ __ ] up people. No thank you. Too good over here, man. I'm over here just [ __ ] with my snakes and my friends and we're talking about how to be successful and love life. I'm cool over here, dude. All right. I'm not trying to call dudes out in the shower. Not my thing. Kind of weird. Not going to lie. Little [ __ ] weird. I feel a little [ __ ] violated. Leave me alone. That's all I got to say.

Temperatures high. Uh, people are stressed out. It is. They're in their last throws. Uh, they're not adjusting. Um, what can I say? Um, and it's like I do understand too. It's like if you have like personal stuff going on. Does I know. Yeah, totally. You know, you should figure it out, but it's you don't lash out at others based on your own personal problems. You got to sort that stuff out and work it out yourself. There's no excuse for that. You know, I I literally have talked about mental [ __ ] [ __ ] that I've been through and I'm still going through it. There's who the [ __ ] would care if I were to pull some [ __ ] like that. Nobody would give a [ __ ] about whatever mental illness I. It's the fact that I did it. It's over. MJ's done. If I were to do anything remotely close to that, look what they tried doing to me just by speaking my mind on my own show. What if I were to physically assault somebody? Dude, what if MJ were to physically assault somebody? How many picket [ __ ] would be lined up ready to rock and roll at all my sponsors, everything? I'd be done. And you know what? If I physically [ __ ] harm somebody, I deserve to be done. I deserve to not be a part if I [ __ ] touch somebody in this game. You don't [ __ ] do that. You don't [ __ ] hit people, dude. I could have [ __ ] hit somebody a long time ago. But guess what? I love this too much. You're not going to get me out of the game like that. You're not I'm not. You're not going to get me, dude. Sorry. But again, we are [ __ ] grown ass men, dude. And it's it's regardless what you're going through, you don't touch people, okay? Okay. And when you do, you [ __ ] you better fix it. You better take care of yourself, man. That's all I got to say. I don't there's zero tolerance for it when it comes to physically touching people. I don't give a [ __ ] about your mental case because nobody would give care about my mental case if I were to do it. Nope. I would get. Hey, MJ would get zero sympathy. Zero. And that's a fact. That's a [ __ ] fact. Try to argue that.

What I would say to those threatening people out there just for clicks, uh, you're [ __ ] delusional. No one gives a [ __ ] about you. Move on. Get help, dude. Get help. It's just It's just It's just like what you said. It's like there there's no reason for it because it's like you have like you have too much to lose, right? It's like you enjoy the animals, you enjoy the lifestyle, you enjoy all these things that you have going for you. So, it's really not worth like any kind of like physical issue. Right? In those situations. And again, look closely. These [ __ ] got nothing to lose, bro. They got [ __ ] [ __ ]. They got dog [ __ ]. Okay. So, again, this this uh this dude threatening. We don't need we don't need to we don't need to [ __ ] like individually say anybody out. No, we're not. We're not. We're not. That's what weirdos want. Weirdos want to [ __ ]. We're not giving no weirdos right now. I want people to know out there that these people have failed at every stop and this is just another stop. Multiple people, bro. I've been dealing with the most [ __ ] up mental people in this hobby since I started this podcast. For whatever reason, whatever I'm doing pisses off the [ __ ] mentally illness out there in this hobby. And I don't, you know, dude, go fix it. Figure it out. I I do sympathize with people who don't realize they have a mental illness because it's a real [ __ ] thing, dude. If you are battling [ __ ] in your head, you should get it looked into like I did and many others because taking care of yourself is the only way you could [ __ ] handle this life. If you're not taking care of yourself, you're not going to survive, dude. And I'm seeing [ __ ] crash out right now. And it's and it sucks, dude. It's It's actually sad. It's sad. Like what I what I witnessed at Tinley and the videos going. It's sad, dude. That breaks my [ __ ] heart. I hate seeing that. And and the person involved in that even more. I don't want that. That [ __ ] hurts me, dude. I don't want to see someone like that go out like that. It that like there's other guys I don't give a [ __ ] about, but that person individually at Tinley, I really feel so dude. I don't want to get emotional, man. But I [ __ ] feel sorry for that person, dude. And I pray he gets help. And I really do because I don't know, man. I just know that. Don't [ __ ] skip on your mental health, dude. You guys, it's not cool. You got to take care of yourselves. That's all I got to say. Because without taking care of yourself, you can't do you can't take care of nobody else. How many How many of us grown as men have family or loved ones, spouses that we got to take care of, dude? It's not about us. It's about people we want to take care of in this world. And you can't do it if you're mentally [ __ ] up. Especially if you're attacking your loved ones. You know what I mean? I I'll be right back. Oh man, at the end of the day, what matters, none of this podcast [ __ ] matters. What matters is your family. And you got to fix you got to fix that. Take care of that. That's that's uh beyond important. What what Joe Schmo watching your podcast thinks about you is not important. It's not. It doesn't mean anything. So fix all that and I know I know he will and he's got it and period. That's it. That's all I have to say about that. You know, we got to do what we got to do in life, bro. That's number one. Two, three, four. Two, three, four, five. That's that's what we have to do as as a as a people. We need to take care of ourselves, our health, our mental health. We need to ensure we're taking care of everything so our family's in good shape and taken care of, you know. Uh, check on your loved one, guys. That's it. I And I go I want to say this. This This hobby has been the best thing ever happened to me. It really is. Um, you know, meeting you guys, which I if it wasn't for reptiles, we wouldn't even be talking right now. We wouldn't we would have no interest in each other. Um, and what's amazing is how many people you can meet in this hobby because how many people love reptiles? It's [ __ ] huge, dude. It it's not that big, but it's big. And what I'm what I trip out about is the type of people you will meet. Different career setting people, man. And it will change your life, dude. This weekend, I was so inspired to just be at a table with my boy Gary and Bill and the homie Rob, like [ __ ] guys I just look up to, and just sharing just conversations with people like that. Whenever I'm with Amelio and we talk, you know what I mean? Um, this is a beautiful hobby, bro. Like, this is a real this is a real [ __ ] awesome place to be, man. It really is.

Yeah. So, it's a aside from our family, it's what we live for. Right? But it could change your life like like anything else, man. If you really love this, you know, and it's really there. If the stars align for you, which I always feel like if you do right by the animals, this hobby rewards you. Like you get good karma for something. I I just feel like if you do it right and you're good by the people, you're good by the animals, man, there's some sort of higher power that rewards you and you will [ __ ] change your life. I I'm a true believer in that, dude. And I mean by that because you'll meet somebody. You're going to meet someone like me, Amelio, Brandon, Justin, Mark Bailey, someone who's been so successful at this who could change your whole life, dude. Because again, going to a nine to five that you [ __ ] hate sucks, dude. It Alio's been there. I've been there, Brandon. I don't know what you've done in your career setting, but I bet it doesn't beat being home with the snakes, you know what I mean? And being with your wife and just being home. Nothing beats that. So, go ahead.

Uh, something I wanted to say earlier and it it the topic was combi kind of there's a good combination here with the topic, a combo. Um, bro, it doesn't matter what you do out there, okay? You could I mean, there's surgeons that love this game so much that want to do it. Um, what we do is incredible. I I've heard people out there say, "Oh, this stupid hobby, these [ __ ] animals, you know, da da da." You know, this it's just a snake. It's just a mutation, brother. Yeah. Only if you knew. There's people that are multi-millionaires that want to do what we do. Yeah. Okay. Know this. All right. So, man, love what you do, bro. That's it. and and uh and uh enjoy it and appreciate it. And uh just know that there's many people that want to do what you do, you know. Yeah. And you know, and what's crazy is there's been times, you know, I've been only been doing this eight years, which I would say that because you guys been double the amount that I've been at at least, but I've seen myself grow and change throughout the years just by working so closely to the animals, having some success, running my own business, associating with the right like-minded people. Like Amelio said, man, like-minded people, but people you look up to, like people who are better than you at life. And I, dude, I'm obsessed, which is why I keep to my own a lot. I'm obsessed being around people who are doing better than me at life. That's I [ __ ] love that. Um, and that's why my circle are a bunch of [ __ ] OGs who goddamn I hope I have what that they have at some point. But that's that's what I want, man. I'm not getting any younger, you know? Um, and at the end of the day, man, that you don't know where this hobby is going. We don't know where snake sales are going. You know, having multiple um streams of revenue is so important in this game. Like, you can't I mean, I'm not saying it's impossible, but no one is really doing full-time snakes without having something else going on. All right? So, just so you guys know, like anyone really successful in this hobby who's breeding snakes has two, three other [ __ ] things that they're good at. Okay? Just so you guys know. All right? So, it's not all about just being good at snakes. It's all about [ __ ] knowing what to do with your life. You know what I mean? And making sure everything is worth doing for. And again, like we all said, we love doing this. I love it. Brandon, do you love it? Oh, yeah. I mean, the animals are just I mean, can't beat it. I don't know. I mean, you just don't know. Like, I honestly don't know what I would do like without them because they've just been a part of my life literally forever, dude. You know, like my first like boas, like my first boas that I got were in like I don't know, like 2000, you know, like I had a couple little corn snakes here and there before that, but you know, boas, I got a couple ball pythons. I got rid of those. And then the boas were around for a very long time up until 2018, 2019. And that's when I started getting, you know, some of the ball pythons. Yeah. They've just always been there. They're, you know, it just brings like a different kind of. Well, a different kind of joy, a different kind of like not even quite like a meditation to an extent, but as stupid as it is, but it's like there's so much like it's so nice just when you're going through like doing water changes even and just like enjoying looking at like something be like, "Oh [ __ ], you got big all of a sudden." Like they just all of a sudden just appear like they just got bigger and you're just like, "Wow, you got that like mature look and it's it's just rewarding, you know, like appreciating just the look that some of these have." And, you know, goes for like the ball pythons, goes for colubrids. I mean, literally any of them. I mean, they're all they're all cool in their own way. Super therapeutic. Um, much like uh I don't know if you were building cars or um, you know, which which is like a thing that's crazy about this hobby. Like

One of my buddies, he got out like a long time ago. Like he's been out for a while now, but he was just into like the bows. He got rid of the snakes, but we'd still talk and we still talk to this day, but it's like he would always say, like the snakes are one thing that's so crazy. And it's not to make it about money, but like each day could be life-changing. Like someone could be browsing on Morph Market right now and see like my Ultram Sunset. Not that I would want to sell her, but if someone wanted to buy her, it'd be hard for me to say no. But like it could be like a life-changing situation like on a daily basis with an animal that you hit with like a lineage of stuff that you have. Like it could change your whole trajectory, you know? Like it, it's crazy. Like the smallest thing could change your whole trajectory for animals you like, projects you work on. I mean, all that stuff.

Yeah. Aside from the money, uh, what I can tell you is you have something to look forward to every single year, you know. Um, building upon building and upon building and and I mean, it's hard for me to think of other things that are like our game. Um, you know, again, building cars, you know, being an artist, a painter. Um, we have something to constantly look forward to in waves, you know. Uh, we have, you know, your condrils. You have so many condrils that you're going to be working on designers with. Uh, me and Brandon have 10 plus projects.

Right now, what you just said made me want to do the robot. Like, I just wanted to pop, drop, and lock it right now. That's how I want to. You know what? I think it gets lost on people sometimes, you know, like I have 10 projects I'm looking forward to. Brandon has, I would say about the same or more different species looking. We're raising every day. You know, we're feeding them. They shed. We take pictures. They're like, "Oh, you know, he's right." We're like, "Holy [ __ ] you grew more. You know, you're calming down. You're actually not having an issue with me holding you and handling you. And you might be figuring out that I'm handling you this time to clean your cage." I mean, bro, this is amazing.

We always say when you ever, you know, for the most part, whenever we're hatching an egg, it's like Christmas. And guess what? I love Christmas. Christmas is my favorite time of year. If I can make Christmas happen throughout the year, I'm going to do it. And that's why I love this. It makes me feel young and it makes me feel like, dude, Hey, Dorian, you're not weird. I talk to my snakes, too, bro. I legit talk to my snakes. I mean, I'm not having conversations with them, but I'm like, "Dude, I love you." Like, "Thank you for being so beautiful." You know what I mean? And being in my collection. I don't know what you're talking to your snake about, Darren. I think that's a whole another subject maybe. But I will tell you that I, if I'm so wowed by the snake, I'm talking to it. I'm very vocal, too.

I feel weird. It's like after they lay like a clutch and you pull them off, like whenever I'm rinsing them off, I just, I don't know. Like every single time I'm just like, "Thanks, dude. Thanks for doing this for me." I think of mom and dad, dude. I think of mom and dad every time. I go, "Dude, yeah." It's like, "Dude, like you did this for me, man." And then it's like I can't wait until I see the babies. And then like when you're cleaning like their tub and you see them and you're like, "Dude, you're not going to believe the look of these freaking little bastards that just hatched out from you." And you know, okay, you see the movie Next Friday. And okay. You know, do you know Pinky when he pulls up in the in the, you know what Pinky pulls up in the, uh, in the limousine and the driver comes out and he hands over the drink and he just strangely goes, "Yeah, whatever, motherfucker." I feel like that's what the snakes say to us. They They're just like, "Yeah." They don't They don't care about it. Put me away. Give me some water. Soak me. Take the smell off me so I'm not depressed and put me away. I feel like that's. Give me one more rat. Oh yeah.

Yeah, man. Uh, you know, I think we all talk to the snakes. Uh, the other day I had one finally break a fast and I'm like, it's about time. Yeah. You know, you know, little things like that. Or or you did a good job, mama. You know, you did a good job, baby. You laid, you know, finally. Thank God. You know, I hear homeboy all the time in his stories. Hey, mama. You know, you be you be doing the same thing with his condrs. I mean, yeah, bro. We're we're you know, we're endearing hell out of this.

I'm with Dylan, though. Like whenever you go to like feed one and it comes at you a little bit too zesty. They they get some other words. They're not in terms of endearment. Yeah. Yeah. Calm down. But I understand it because I mean, if I love food and sometimes I bite at bite at Lily's hand sometimes. But it's different when you got like a freaking 5 to 10 pound rabbit on some tongs and a burm for you. No, that's why that's why that's why D's special. Okay. That's why. Oh, no. I got I got a couple BMS. They're awesome snakes, man. They're so cool. They are, man. I would say if I, I said this plenty of times, but the best big snake pet is a burm. I think that's like they're a giant ball python. Nothing nothing beats a huge docile puppy tain burm that Dylan has. And is yours are yours pretty calm? Oh yeah, they're chill. Yeah, that's awesome.

On the talk of BMS and other species, what other stuff are you passionate about that you're keeping right now that aren't ball pythons, Brandon? Well, the ball pythons make up the bulk of stuff, but I have like, I don't know, 20ish um hog noose. I've got six, five. Yeah, five or six bullsnakes.

What do you like about hog noses? If I could just stop you right there. I'm just curious. What What What do you like about the hog noose? They're just cool. I don't know, man. They're cool. They're cute. They got stupid little faces. They share like a brain cell amongst like the entire population.

Are you working with cool [ __ ] or you just working with whatever and just being cool about it? Like, what are you doing? Oh, no. I got cool [ __ ]. Okay. Right. What do you got? Give me Give me some. And they got all kinds of weird confusing ass names. But like I got like the M Thai stuff, which is like um the sable and like toffee combo. Like they're really cool. I like. I just I just recently picked up a moonstone like a super arctic lavender. Holy [ __ ]. Like they're they're really cool animals, man. They're they're super pretty. And it's like the the toffee stuff is like the ultramell of the freaking hog noose. like they're they're just so colorful and nice and they they stay colorful. Like they're they're just really cool. He said the word he said the word that most people say. They're cute. He said that's the truth. Yeah. They're they're cute. They're dumb, but they're cute.

Yeah. I I mean, I feel like their push is kind of similar to ball pythons as far as like, you know, people who don't even really like snakes but see a hog noose. They like that hog nose and it kind of is a gateway for the people who like that unique looking [ __ ] because it's not a typical looking snake and it doesn't act like one. The thing is a goddamn character out of Mario Brothers like it's it's it's. Yeah, they're definitely got little man syndrome for sure, but they also get really big too, which is crazy. Like I see they get they get like thick. They handle kind of like a little bit weird, but that's like another thing too. Like the bullsnakes like the bullsnakes feel the same as like the hog noose, but they get like bigger, you know? They're like, I don't want to say probably as big as like a kbo, but they're kind of in that same kind of ballpark of like an adult female could be like six or seven feet. But they they handle differently. Like they're they're just a different animal and I really do like that. A lot of those, everything else except for the ball pythons pretty much eat frozen thod, which is also pretty beneficial, you know, because that's just easier. You don't have to deal with rodents. You don't have to, I mean, there's a lot of stuff you don't have to deal with, you know, having those animals.

It's just the variety, man. It's like there's there's so many different cool things out there and it's probably not like the best to have like such a wide range of stuff, but, you know, it's like having those having like the blood pythons. I have. I know you just had Elijah on the other day. Like I was listening to it the other day when I was cleaning. Like the blood pythons are awesome. The berms are awesome. Those are probably the smallest segment of stuff that I have. And then over the past, I don't know, three months or so, I've been picking up a couple more boas, too, to kind of get back into bows and to just enjoy them. I didn't I wasn't super successful with the boas, but I enjoy them.

And I want to have a small group just to have fun. I'm not I'm not judging you because you're wearing glasses, but I'm just I I'm pretty sure you'd be good at breeding condos or you seem like a condro guy. Why don't you get a condro? I'm not trying to call you nerdy. I'd pick I'd pick the tree the emerald tree boss over. Okay, I like that. I like I like that answer. So, would you ever consider adding a a pair or adding a a female and raising it up or what's the deal? And I had one from, you know, I wouldn't say your old buddy, but I would say that sarcastically. Mr. JS Joe had one from. That's my dude. He's I'm so cool with him. I just don't agree with the stuff he's done. That's all. But like he's. I got I got a basin from him years ago and it never ate for me and it died. Well, I'm sorry. See, and every time I tried to talk to him about it to help me out with it, he would just kind of. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I know. I'm sorry. That's that's when I don't want to say he's my boy. But anyways, I I haven't talked to him in years, but yeah, he unfortunately this is why imports just isn't the way sometimes, guys. It's not worth it. Well, it's a basin, so technically it shouldn't have been one.

But like, you know, the thing is Frank Martin, he's down the road from me. Like, I don't know where down the road, but we're in the same state. Or not Frank Martin. Freaking Why am I forgetting his damn name? Ed Marino. Oh, yeah. Shout out to Ed. Yeah, Ed Marino is like right down the road from me. Like, we're in Maryland. Like, he's not He couldn't be more than an hour or two. Well, that's good to know because I'm I'm like Ed has invited me to his place multiple times and I would I would just go there just to see him. But if I knew you were in the area, I could definitely kill more than, you know, one word with one one stone. You know what I mean? Like I could do a bunch of. But I know, dude, the thing about Maryland, there's been there's a lot of sick reptile keepers in Maryland. Like Azy's in Maryland. Um, isn't Ralph Davis in Maryland? Am I tripping? No, he's like an hour away from me, too. Yeah. So, he's in Maryland, right? Yeah. So, it's crazy. Who missing some other people, too? You have Sebastian. You have Sebastian and those guys. You got Maddox. He's like right down the road, too. Like, we've been over to his place and shotguns and stuff like that. Dude, shout out Matt, dude. Uh, Ballay, I hope I said that right. Bal. That's my boy, dude. Bal, you're my homie. I miss you, dude. Hey, shout out to Sebastian. Sebastian, I need to call you back. I swear to God I'll do that. Um, but listen, let's get into this next topic. Um, you know, where do you see things headed in the next like five years, Brandon? Like obviously I feel like I feel personally what's happening at the in the market is real like it's it's more reality like I feel like we are almost leveling out personally, but for you, where do you think we're at currently and where do you think we're headed in the next 5 years ball python wise?

I don't know. I mean, I think that in general, it's going to be more and more important to make stuff that looks exceptionally pretty versus something that is genetically strong. Like I just, you know, I think that people are going to value that a lot more. And that's I think it's going to continue to kind of be on that track of the more is less kind of situation. And overall, that's better. I think that in general is better for the hobby in general because if you have a bunch of people that have smaller collections, you could all kind of be working different projects and then you're going to be more excited to like add stuff in from like other people because they have ingredients that you don't have or they've made a little bit more traction this direction than you have. So, I think it's just about like the visual appeal of Did I say more is less? I don't know. I think Dylan's messing with me. all these podcasts kind like just when you're on these I feel like it's like the adrenaline from it just all like words blend together and it makes it I don't know, but I I think that just the the visual appeal of stuff is going to be more important than the genetic strength so to say.

Yeah. Some some have been saying we got to make uh making pretty snakes great again. Age and age pretty as well. I think that's also another thing to like understand that we're we're now going to a place in this hobby where the better it looks with age or the more we can keep it looking good with age, the better you're off and the more value your projects are going to be to the hobby. Uh, because that's where it's at. I mean, there are plenty of examples of those genes already being out there. Like white lace is one of them. Like there's some genet some projects out there that will be awesome with age. Ultramale sunset, right? We're seeing Ultramale Sunset age beautifully. Um, and that's that's where your head should be at like what looks better with age. Um, but yeah, that's what it's all about.

All right, wrap up topic time of the episode. I'll go first and then we'll go with Alio after. But um, at this point right now, Brandon, do you think the higher end of the investment side of the ball python game is going to change? Do you think less people are going to be spending money in the next few years or you think that's going to increase? I mean, I don't necessarily think that that is so much going to change because there's always going to be people that desire to get that animal when it first comes out, whenever the top of like the project is available. I mean, and it and it and sometimes it just matters on opportunity. You know, some people are in a better situation where they can afford, you know, to spend that money. Like, I couldn't go buy an Ultram Sunset right now. It's like you're out of your mind if I'm paying like that just because I don't have like that to be like, "Okay, let me just go drop 15 20 grand on like a snake." Like that's just not how deep those pockets are. But I can buy the ingredients. And I feel like a lot of people are in that situation.

So if people are in the situation where they can afford to do that, you know, by all means knock themselves out. There's people that spend 50 70 whatever thousand dollars on like muscle cars from like the 70s. No problem. Yeah. It's just a matter of like what your interest is or what you like to have.

And with that being said, like there's people out there who got some crazy pockets that are interested in this hobby and that's growing. Like you got people who have other things they're really good at that like snakes and they're down. They're down to get in this man. I mean talking. We're talking about Gary Scavenino. Like dude, the friends that he knows, dude, serious stupid money. I'm talking stupid money, dude. And they love snakes and they get in, uh, whatever species they want. We're talking, you know, carpet pythons, gahhooas, condro, emerald. You know, people spend six figures on emeralds a year and they don't tell nobody about it. They just it's for their own personal enjoyment. We have a lot of that. So that's growing too. You know, not everyone wants to be on an Instagram and like look at me. Like no, dude. There's just people who have mad money and they love this. And those people fund a lot of breeders that are successful in this hobby. Dude, I'm starting to realize the successful breeders have like one or two of these clientele every year and they give them just because they breed what they want and they want it that bad. And I feel like that's a good place to be, man. I mean, find some people that want your and they got hella money, dude. They'll they'll fund a lot of your for you. It's crazy. And that's and that's really the cool thing, you know, with like say like the condro or even like the emeralds or like the basins, like and that's part of the reason why like like I do hope that like the bows I picked up I can do something crazy with in the future, but if not, like I'm just going to enjoy them. Like they're just cool.

Same thing with like the bullsnakes. You It's like I have like two little. I can't pull those bastards out because they're fast as hell, but little the the little redsided garder snakes. I got those things from Bob. Yeah. Those are nice. They're just chilling in like a little display setup. I do a little pinky sashimi for them each week. And they just hang out, man. They're cool. Like they're enjoyable to look at. Like you can have just cool display animals. Like not everything needs to be a breeder. Not everything needs to be bred. Like there's plenty of room for just enjoy. Like that's what I think.

I think that's like kind of a problem to an extent and it's like I'm not trying to say there's a right or a wrong way to do stuff. But like some people get into the ball python reptile hobby with the intent of breeding the ball python or breeding the reptile or whatever. And it's like initially for me, like it started with just like Nigel Marvin, Jeff Corwin, Steve Irwin, like all those dudes, Julian Sylvester, like watching those dudes on Animal Planet and just genuinely enjoying the animal eventually until I, you know, tore my parents down enough to be able to get one.

Sad. It's sad to think not everyone was a part of that era though, you know, like like because we're we're old, dude. No, but that was that's like pre-Instagram, pre social media. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's sexy to be like a reptile keeper and like do all this stuff. I don't know. It's it's just like. But now we got people doing this full time who were born in 2003, 2004, you know? That's crazy. That's wild to think about. And they're booty popping and doing all this crazy [ __ ] Like you just don't know what to expect anymore with this new era, bro. It's. They're running wild. Um, but all right, Biggie, what you got?

Yeah, man. Uh, so, um, I got my last clutch of the season this weekend. Uh, I already put all my pairings into clutch. Uh, I have to ask you, man, what's that animal you have a shot at hitting in 26 that make uh, you know, makes you really, really excited. And so, I'm already pairing my my Ultramo hat Sunset to my double hat Sunset Ultra again. So, that's exciting. But outside of that, I'm really looking forward to taking a blackhead leopard ultramale double hat clown pod into like my group of females that I have to produce like ideally like a super blackhead ultramale clown with like leopard and you know, stuff like that in the mix. I think it's just going to be really pretty and it's going to be deep dark like rich tones like super blackheads are awesome. Like the super blackhead, the super chocolate, super hurricane, like all that stuff. That's like my like avenue for like that project. But my one animal that I'm really really hoping to hit this year is definitely going to be like a super blackhead leopard ultramale clown. Like I I really want to make it.

That's that's awesome. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Can't wait to see it. Um, like I'm I'm really excited about the going forward. I want to start uh I want to go for a super blackhead uh maybe Ultram Pides or or maybe was Sunset or something like that that uh I saw a Super Blackhead Pi that um I think a hardwired hit just he posted. Man, that that's a reminder that we. That's my avenue that's my avenue for Pi. That's it. Like that and like confusion pi stuff. Hey, that's a beautiful animal, man. Yeah, Super blackhead pides. That's like that's like the only way that I like super blackhead, super mahogany, you know, one of those kind of thing for pides, you know? Yeah. Change the color up. That's going to be the the path. Hell yeah. Yeah. I Anything super blackhead, man, is ideal for me. Um, that's a powerful project right there in itself. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes with that.

But what a great episode, man. We got these round two hot seat questions for you. Mine are quick. I'll go first and then we'll go with Alio after. But um, at this point right now, Brandon, do you think the higher end of the investment side of the ball python game is going to change? Do you think less people are going to be spending money in the next few years or you think that's going to increase? I mean, I don't necessarily think that that is so much going to change because there's always going to be people that desire to get that animal when it first comes out, whenever the top of like the project is available. I mean, and it and it and sometimes it just matters on opportunity. You know, some people are in a better situation where they can afford, you know, to spend that money. Like, I couldn't go buy an Ultram Sunset right now. It's like you're out of your mind if I'm paying like that just because I don't have like that to be like, "Okay, let me just go drop 15 20 grand on like a snake." Like that's just not how deep those pockets are. But I can buy the ingredients. And I feel like a lot of people are in that situation.

So if people are in the situation where they can afford to do that, you know, by all means knock themselves out. There's people that spend 50 70 whatever thousand dollars on like muscle cars from like the 70s. No problem. Yeah. It's just a matter of like what your interest is or what you like to have.

And with that being said, like there's people out there who got some crazy pockets that are interested in this hobby and that's growing. Like you got people who have other things they're really good at that like snakes and they're down. They're down to get in this man. I mean talking. We're talking about Gary Scavenino. Like dude, the friends that he knows, dude, serious stupid money. I'm talking stupid money, dude. And they love snakes and they get in, uh, whatever species they want. We're talking, you know, carpet pythons, gahhooas, condro, emerald. You know, people spend six figures on emeralds a year and they don't tell nobody about it. They just it's for their own personal enjoyment. We have a lot of that. So that's growing too. You know, not everyone wants to be on an Instagram and like look at me. Like no, dude. There's just people who have mad money and they love this. And those people fund a lot of breeders that are successful in this hobby. Dude, I'm starting to realize the successful breeders have like one or two of these clientele every year and they give them just because they breed what they want and they want it that bad. And I feel like that's a good place to be, man. I mean, find some people that want your and they got hella money, dude. They'll they'll fund a lot of your for you. It's crazy. And that's and that's really the cool thing, you know, with like say like the condro or even like the emeralds or like the basins, like and that's part of the reason why like like I do hope that like the bows I picked up I can do something crazy with in the future, but if not, like I'm just going to enjoy them. Like they're just cool.

Same thing with like the bullsnakes. You It's like I have like two little. I can't pull those bastards out because they're fast as hell, but little the the little redsided garder snakes. I got those things from Bob. Yeah. Those are nice. They're just chilling in like a little display setup. I do a little pinky sashimi for them each week. And they just hang out, man. They're cool. Like they're enjoyable to look at. Like you can have just cool display animals. Like not everything needs to be a breeder. Not everything needs to be bred. Like there's plenty of room for just enjoy. Like that's what I think.

I think that's like kind of a problem to an extent and it's like I'm not trying to say there's a right or a wrong way to do stuff. But like some people get into the ball python reptile hobby with the intent of breeding the ball python or breeding the reptile or whatever. And it's like initially for me, like it started with just like Nigel Marvin, Jeff Corwin, Steve Irwin, like all those dudes, Julian Sylvester, like watching those dudes on Animal Planet and just genuinely enjoying the animal eventually until I, you know, tore my parents down enough to be able to get one.

Sad. It's sad to think not everyone was a part of that era though, you know, like like because we're we're old, dude. No, but that was that's like pre-Instagram, pre social media. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's sexy to be like a reptile keeper and like do all this stuff. I don't know. It's it's just like. But now we got people doing this full time who were born in 2003, 2004, you know? That's crazy. That's wild to think about. And they're booty popping and doing all this crazy [ __ ] Like you just don't know what to expect anymore with this new era, bro. It's. They're running wild. Um, but all right, Biggie, what you got?

Yeah, man. Uh, so, um, I got my last clutch of the season this weekend. Uh, I already put all my pairings into clutch. Uh, I have to ask you, man, what's that animal you have a shot at hitting in 26 that make uh, you know, makes you really, really excited. And so, I'm already pairing my my Ultramo hat Sunset to my double hat Sunset Ultra again. So, that's exciting. But outside of that, I'm really looking forward to taking a blackhead leopard ultramale double hat clown pod into like my group of females that I have to produce like ideally like a super blackhead ultramale clown with like leopard and you know, stuff like that in the mix. I think it's just going to be really pretty and it's going to be deep dark like rich tones like super blackheads are awesome. Like the super blackhead, the super chocolate, super hurricane, like all that stuff. That's like my like avenue for like that project. But my one animal that I'm really really hoping to hit this year is definitely going to be like a super blackhead leopard ultramale clown. Like I I really want to make it.

That's that's awesome. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Can't wait to see it. Um, like I'm I'm really excited about the going forward. I want to start uh I want to go for a super blackhead uh maybe Ultram Pides or or maybe was Sunset or something like that that uh I saw a Super Blackhead Pi that um I think a hardwired hit just he posted. Man, that that's a reminder that we. That's my avenue that's my avenue for Pi. That's it. Like that and like confusion pi stuff. Hey, that's a beautiful animal, man. Yeah, Super blackhead pides. That's like that's like the only way that I like super blackhead, super mahogany, you know, one of those kind of thing for pides, you know? Yeah. Change the color up. That's going to be the the path. Hell yeah. Yeah. I Anything super blackhead, man, is ideal for me. Um, that's a powerful project right there in itself. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes with that.

But what a great episode, man. We got these round two hot seat questions for you. Mine are quick. I'll go first and then we'll go with Alio after. But um, at this point right now, Brandon, do you think the higher end of the investment side of the ball python game is going to change? Do you think less people are going to be spending money in the next few years or you think that's going to increase? I mean, I don't necessarily think that that is so much going to change because there's always going to be people that desire to get that animal when it first comes out, whenever the top of like the project is available. I mean, and it and it and sometimes it just matters on opportunity. You know, some people are in a better situation where they can afford, you know, to spend that money. Like, I couldn't go buy an Ultram Sunset right now. It's like you're out of your mind if I'm paying like that just because I don't have like that to be like, "Okay, let me just go drop 15 20 grand on like a snake." Like that's just not how deep those pockets are. But I can buy the ingredients. And I feel like a lot of people are in that situation.

So if people are in the situation where they can afford to do that, you know, by all means knock themselves out. There's people that spend 50 70 whatever thousand dollars on like muscle cars from like the 70s. No problem. Yeah. It's just a matter of like what your interest is or what you like to have.

And with that being said, like there's people out there who got some crazy pockets that are interested in this hobby and that's growing. Like you got people who have other things they're really good at that like snakes and they're down. They're down to get in this man. I mean talking. We're talking about Gary Scavenino. Like dude, the friends that he knows, dude, serious stupid money. I'm talking stupid money, dude. And they love snakes and they get in, uh, whatever species they want. We're talking, you know, carpet pythons, gahhooas, condro, emerald. You know, people spend six figures on emeralds a year and they don't tell nobody about it. They just it's for their own personal enjoyment. We have a lot of that. So that's growing too. You know, not everyone wants to be on an Instagram and like look at me. Like no, dude. There's just people who have mad money and they love this. And those people fund a lot of breeders that are successful in this hobby. Dude, I'm starting to realize the successful breeders have like one or two of these clientele every year and they give them just because they breed what they want and they want it that bad. And I feel like that's a good place to be, man. I mean, find some people that want your and they got hella money, dude. They'll they'll fund a lot of your for you. It's crazy. And that's and that's really the cool thing, you know, with like say like the condro or even like the emeralds or like the basins, like and that's part of the reason why like like I do hope that like the bows I picked up I can do something crazy with in the future, but if not, like I'm just going to enjoy them. Like they're just cool.

Same thing with like the bullsnakes. You It's like I have like two little. I can't pull those bastards out because they're fast as hell, but little the the little redsided garder snakes. I got those things from Bob. Yeah. Those are nice. They're just chilling in like a little display setup. I do a little pinky sashimi for them each week. And they just hang out, man. They're cool. Like they're enjoyable to look at. Like you can have just cool display animals. Like not everything needs to be a breeder. Not everything needs to be bred. Like there's plenty of room for just enjoy. Like that's what I think.

I think that's like kind of a problem to an extent and it's like I'm not trying to say there's a right or a wrong way to do stuff. But like some people get into the ball python reptile hobby with the intent of breeding the ball python or breeding the reptile or whatever. And it's like initially for me, like it started with just like Nigel Marvin, Jeff Corwin, Steve Irwin, like all those dudes, Julian Sylvester, like watching those dudes on Animal Planet and just genuinely enjoying the animal eventually until I, you know, tore my parents down enough to be able to get one.

Sad. It's sad to think not everyone was a part of that era though, you know, like like because we're we're old, dude. No, but that was that's like pre-Instagram, pre social media. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's sexy to be like a reptile keeper and like do all this stuff. I don't know. It's it's just like. But now we got people doing this full time who were born in 2003, 2004, you know? That's crazy. That's wild to think about. And they're booty popping and doing all this crazy [ __ ] Like you just don't know what to expect anymore with this new era, bro. It's. They're running wild. Um, but all right, Biggie, what you got?

Yeah, man. Uh, so, um, I got my last clutch of the season this weekend. Uh, I already put all my pairings into clutch. Uh, I have to ask you, man, what's that animal you have a shot at hitting in 26 that make uh, you know, makes you really, really excited. And so, I'm already pairing my my Ultramo hat Sunset to my double hat Sunset Ultra again. So, that's exciting. But outside of that, I'm really looking forward to taking a blackhead leopard ultramale double hat clown pod into like my group of females that I have to produce like ideally like a super blackhead ultramale clown with like leopard and you know, stuff like that in the mix. I think it's just going to be really pretty and it's going to be deep dark like rich tones like super blackheads are awesome. Like the super blackhead, the super chocolate, super hurricane, like all that stuff. That's like my like avenue for like that project. But my one animal that I'm really really hoping to hit this year is definitely going to be like a super blackhead leopard ultramale clown. Like I I really want to make it.

That's that's awesome. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Can't wait to see it. Um, like I'm I'm really excited about the going forward. I want to start uh I want to go for a super blackhead uh maybe Ultram Pides or or maybe was Sunset or something like that that uh I saw a Super Blackhead Pi that um I think a hardwired hit just he posted. Man, that that's a reminder that we. That's my avenue that's my avenue for Pi. That's it. Like that and like confusion pi stuff. Hey, that's a beautiful animal, man. Yeah, Super blackhead pides. That's like that's like the only way that I like super blackhead, super mahogany, you know, one of those kind of thing for pides, you know? Yeah. Change the color up. That's going to be the the path. Hell yeah. Yeah. I Anything super blackhead, man, is ideal for me. Um, that's a powerful project right there in itself. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes with that.

But what a great episode, man. We got these round two hot seat questions for you. Mine are quick. I'll go first and then we'll go with Alio after. But um, at this point right now, Brandon, do you think the higher end of the investment side of the ball python game is going to change? Do you think less people are going to be spending money in the next few years or you think that's going to increase? I mean, I don't necessarily think that that is so much going to change because there's always going to be people that desire to get that animal when it first comes out, whenever the top of like the project is available. I mean, and it and it and sometimes it just matters on opportunity. You know, some people are in a better situation where they can afford, you know, to spend that money. Like, I couldn't go buy an Ultram Sunset right now. It's like you're out of your mind if I'm paying like that just because I don't have like that to be like, "Okay, let me just go drop 15 20 grand on like a snake." Like that's just not how deep those pockets are. But I can buy the ingredients. And I feel like a lot of people are in that situation.

So if people are in the situation where they can afford to do that, you know, by all means knock themselves out. There's people that spend 50 70 whatever thousand dollars on like muscle cars from like the 70s. No problem. Yeah. It's just a matter of like what your interest is or what you like to have.

And with that being said, like there's people out there who got some crazy pockets that are interested in this hobby and that's growing. Like you got people who have other things they're really good at that like snakes and they're down. They're down to get in this man. I mean talking. We're talking about Gary Scavenino. Like dude, the friends that he knows, dude, serious stupid money. I'm talking stupid money, dude. And they love snakes and they get in, uh, whatever species they want. We're talking, you know, carpet pythons, gahhooas, condro, emerald. You know, people spend six figures on emeralds a year and they don't tell nobody about it. They just it's for their own personal enjoyment. We have a lot of that. So that's growing too. You know, not everyone wants to be on an Instagram and like look at me. Like no, dude. There's just people who have mad money and they love this. And those people fund a lot of breeders that are successful in this hobby. Dude, I'm starting to realize the successful breeders have like one or two of these clientele every year and they give them just because they breed what they want and they want it that bad. And I feel like that's a good place to be, man. I mean, find some people that want your and they got hella money, dude. They'll they'll fund a lot of your for you. It's crazy. And that's and that's really the cool thing, you know, with like say like the condro or even like the emeralds or like the basins, like and that's part of the reason why like like I do hope that like the bows I picked up I can do something crazy with in the future, but if not, like I'm just going to enjoy them. Like they're just cool.

Same thing with like the bullsnakes. You It's like I have like two little. I can't pull those bastards out because they're fast as hell, but little the the little redsided garder snakes. I got those things from Bob. Yeah. Those are nice. They're just chilling in like a little display setup. I do a little pinky sashimi for them each week. And they just hang out, man. They're cool. Like they're enjoyable to look at. Like you can have just cool display animals. Like not everything needs to be a breeder. Not everything needs to be bred. Like there's plenty of room for just enjoy. Like that's what I think.

I think that's like kind of a problem to an extent and it's like I'm not trying to say there's a right or a wrong way to do stuff. But like some people get into the ball python reptile hobby with the intent of breeding the ball python or breeding the reptile or whatever. And it's like initially for me, like it started with just like Nigel Marvin, Jeff Corwin, Steve Irwin, like all those dudes, Julian Sylvester, like watching those dudes on Animal Planet and just genuinely enjoying the animal eventually until I, you know, tore my parents down enough to be able to get one.

Sad. It's sad to think not everyone was a part of that era though, you know, like like because we're we're old, dude. No, but that was that's like pre-Instagram, pre social media. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's sexy to be like a reptile keeper and like do all this stuff. I don't know. It's it's just like. But now we got people doing this full time who were born in 2003, 2004, you know? That's crazy. That's wild to think about. And they're booty popping and doing all this crazy [ __ ] Like you just don't know what to expect anymore with this new era, bro. It's. They're running wild. Um, but all right, Biggie, what you got?

Yeah, man. Uh, so, um, I got my last clutch of the season this weekend. Uh, I already put all my pairings into clutch. Uh, I have to ask you, man, what's that animal you have a shot at hitting in 26 that make uh, you know, makes you really, really excited. And so, I'm already pairing my my Ultramo hat Sunset to my double hat Sunset Ultra again. So, that's exciting. But outside of that, I'm really looking forward to taking a blackhead leopard ultramale double hat clown pod into like my group of females that I have to produce like ideally like a super blackhead ultramale clown with like leopard and you know, stuff like that in the mix. I think it's just going to be really pretty and it's going to be deep dark like rich tones like super blackheads are awesome. Like the super blackhead, the super chocolate, super hurricane, like all that stuff. That's like my like avenue for like that project. But my one animal that I'm really really hoping to hit this year is definitely going to be like a super blackhead leopard ultramale clown. Like I I really want to make it.

That's that's awesome. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Can't wait to see it. Um, like I'm I'm really excited about the going forward. I want to start uh I want to go for a super blackhead uh maybe Ultram Pides or or maybe was Sunset or something like that that uh I saw a Super Blackhead Pi that um I think a hardwired hit just he posted. Man, that that's a reminder that we. That's my avenue that's my avenue for Pi. That's it. Like that and like confusion pi stuff. Hey, that's a beautiful animal, man. Yeah, Super blackhead pides. That's like that's like the only way that I like super blackhead, super mahogany, you know, one of those kind of thing for pides, you know? Yeah. Change the color up. That's going to be the the path. Hell yeah. Yeah. I Anything super blackhead, man, is ideal for me. Um, that's a powerful project right there in itself. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes with that.

But what a great episode, man. We got these round two hot seat questions for you. Mine are quick. I'll go first and then we'll go with Alio after. But um, at this point right now, Brandon, do you think the higher end of the investment side of the ball python game is going to change? Do you think less people are going to be spending money in the next few years or you think that's going to increase? I mean, I don't necessarily think that that is so much going to change because there's always going to be people that desire to get that animal when it first comes out, whenever the top of like the project is available. I mean, and it and it and sometimes it just matters on opportunity. You know, some people are in a better situation where they can afford, you know, to spend that money. Like, I couldn't go buy an Ultram Sunset right now. It's like you're out of your mind if I'm paying like that just because I don't have like that to be like, "Okay, let me just go drop 15 20 grand on like a snake." Like that's just not how deep those pockets are. But I can buy the ingredients. And I feel like a lot of people are in that situation.

So if people are in the situation where they can afford to do that, you know, by all means knock themselves out. There's people that spend 50 70 whatever thousand dollars on like muscle cars from like the 70s. No problem. Yeah. It's just a matter of like what your interest is or what you like to have.

And with that being said, like there's people out there who got some crazy pockets that are interested in this hobby and that's growing. Like you got people who have other things they're really good at that like snakes and they're down. They're down to get in this man. I mean talking. We're talking about Gary Scavenino. Like dude, the friends that he knows, dude, serious stupid money. I'm talking stupid money, dude. And they love snakes and they get in, uh, whatever species they want. We're talking, you know, carpet pythons, gahhooas, condro, emerald. You know, people spend six figures on emeralds a year and they don't tell nobody about it. They just it's for their own personal enjoyment. We have a lot of that. So that's growing too. You know, not everyone wants to be on an Instagram and like look at me. Like no, dude. There's just people who have mad money and they love this. And those people fund a lot of breeders that are successful in this hobby. Dude, I'm starting to realize the successful breeders have like one or two of these clientele every year and they give them just because they breed what they want and they want it that bad. And I feel like that's a good place to be, man. I mean, find some people that want your and they got hella money, dude. They'll they'll fund a lot of your for you. It's crazy. And that's and that's really the cool thing, you know, with like say like the condro or even like the emeralds or like the basins, like and that's part of the reason why like like I do hope that like the bows I picked up I can do something crazy with in the future, but if not, like I'm just going to enjoy them. Like they're just cool.

Same thing with like the bullsnakes. You It's like I have like two little. I can't pull those bastards out because they're fast as hell, but little the the little redsided garder snakes. I got those things from Bob. Yeah. Those are nice. They're just chilling in like a little display setup. I do a little pinky sashimi for them each week. And they just hang out, man. They're cool. Like they're enjoyable to look at. Like you can have just cool display animals. Like not everything needs to be a breeder. Not everything needs to be bred. Like there's plenty of room for just enjoy. Like that's what I think.

I think that's like kind of a problem to an extent and it's like I'm not trying to say there's a right or a wrong way to do stuff. But like some people get into the ball python reptile hobby with the intent of breeding the ball python or breeding the reptile or whatever. And it's like initially for me, like it started with just like Nigel Marvin, Jeff Corwin, Steve Irwin, like all those dudes, Julian Sylvester, like watching those dudes on Animal Planet and just genuinely enjoying the animal eventually until I, you know, tore my parents down enough to be able to get one.

Sad. It's sad to think not everyone was a part of that era though, you know, like like because we're we're old, dude. No, but that was that's like pre-Instagram, pre social media. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's sexy to be like a reptile keeper and like do all this stuff. I don't know. It's it's just like. But now we got people doing this full time who were born in 2003, 2004, you know? That's crazy. That's wild to think about. And they're booty popping and doing all this crazy [ __ ] Like you just don't know what to expect anymore with this new era, bro. It's. They're running wild. Um, but all right, Biggie, what you got?

Yeah, man. Uh, so, um, I got my last clutch of the season this weekend. Uh, I already put all my pairings into clutch. Uh, I have to ask you, man, what's that animal you have a shot at hitting in 26 that make uh, you know, makes you really, really excited. And so, I'm already pairing my my Ultramo hat Sunset to my double hat Sunset Ultra again. So, that's exciting. But outside of that, I'm really looking forward to taking a blackhead leopard ultramale double hat clown pod into like my group of females that I have to produce like ideally like a super blackhead ultramale clown with like leopard and you know, stuff like that in the mix. I think it's just going to be really pretty and it's going to be deep dark like rich tones like super blackheads are awesome. Like the super blackhead, the super chocolate, super hurricane, like all that stuff. That's like my like avenue for like that project. But my one animal that I'm really really hoping to hit this year is definitely going to be like a super blackhead leopard ultramale clown. Like I I really want to make it.

That's that's awesome. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Can't wait to see it. Um, like I'm I'm really excited about the going forward. I want to start uh I want to go for a super blackhead uh maybe Ultram Pides or or maybe was Sunset or something like that that uh I saw a Super Blackhead Pi that um I think a hardwired hit just he posted. Man, that that's a reminder that we. That's my avenue that's my avenue for Pi. That's it. Like that and like confusion pi stuff. Hey, that's a beautiful animal, man. Yeah, Super blackhead pides. That's like that's like the only way that I like super blackhead, super mahogany, you know, one of those kind of thing for pides, you know? Yeah. Change the color up. That's going to be the the path. Hell yeah. Yeah. I Anything super blackhead, man, is ideal for me. Um, that's a powerful project right there in itself. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes with that.

But what a great episode, man. We got these round two hot seat questions for you. Mine are quick. I'll go first and then we'll go with Alio after. But um, at this point right now, Brandon, do you think the higher end of the investment side of the ball python game is going to change? Do you think less people are going to be spending money in the next few years or you think that's going to increase? I mean, I don't necessarily think that that is so much going to change because there's always going to be people that desire to get that animal when it first comes out, whenever the top of like the project is available. I mean, and it and it and sometimes it just matters on opportunity. You know, some people are in a better situation where they can afford, you know, to spend that money. Like, I couldn't go buy an Ultram Sunset right now. It's like you're out of your mind if I'm paying like that just because I don't have like that to be like, "Okay, let me just go drop 15 20 grand on like a snake." Like that's just not how deep those pockets are. But I can buy the ingredients. And I feel like a lot of people are in that situation.

So if people are in the situation where they can afford to do that, you know, by all means knock themselves out. There's people that spend 50 70 whatever thousand dollars on like muscle cars from like the 70s. No problem. Yeah. It's just a matter of like what your interest is or what you like to have.

And with that being said, like there's people out there who got some crazy pockets that are interested in this hobby and that's growing. Like you got people who have other things they're really good at that like snakes and they're down. They're down to get in this man. I mean talking. We're talking about Gary Scavenino. Like dude, the friends that he knows, dude, serious stupid money. I'm talking stupid money, dude. And they love snakes and they get in, uh, whatever species they want. We're talking, you know, carpet pythons, gahhooas, condro, emerald. You know, people spend six figures on emeralds a year and they don't tell nobody about it. They just it's for their own personal enjoyment. We have a lot of that. So that's growing too. You know, not everyone wants to be on an Instagram and like look at me. Like no, dude. There's just people who have mad money and they love this. And those people fund a lot of breeders that are successful in this hobby. Dude, I'm starting to realize the successful breeders have like one or two of these clientele every year and they give them just because they breed what they want and they want it that bad. And I feel like that's a good place to be, man. I mean, find some people that want your and they got hella money, dude. They'll they'll fund a lot of your for you. It's crazy. And that's and that's really the cool thing, you know, with like say like the condro or even like the emeralds or like the basins, like and that's part of the reason why like like I do hope that like the bows I picked up I can do something crazy with in the future, but if not, like I'm just going to enjoy them. Like they're just cool.

Same thing with like the bullsnakes. You It's like I have like two little. I can't pull those bastards out because they're fast as hell, but little the the little redsided garder snakes. I got those things from Bob. Yeah. Those are nice. They're just chilling in like a little display setup. I do a little pinky sashimi for them each week. And they just hang out, man. They're cool. Like they're enjoyable to look at. Like you can have just cool display animals. Like not everything needs to be a breeder. Not everything needs to be bred. Like there's plenty of room for just enjoy. Like that's what I think.

I think that's like kind of a problem to an extent and it's like I'm not trying to say there's a right or a wrong way to do stuff. But like some people get into the ball python reptile hobby with the intent of breeding the ball python or breeding the reptile or whatever. And it's like initially for me, like it started with just like Nigel Marvin, Jeff Corwin, Steve Irwin, like all those dudes, Julian Sylvester, like watching those dudes on Animal Planet and just genuinely enjoying the animal eventually until I, you know, tore my parents down enough to be able to get one.

Sad. It's sad to think not everyone was a part of that era though, you know, like like because we're we're old, dude. No, but that was that's like pre-Instagram, pre social media. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's sexy to be like a reptile keeper and like do all this stuff. I don't know. It's it's just like. But now we got people doing this full time who were born in 2003, 2004, you know? That's crazy. That's wild to think about. And they're booty popping and doing all this crazy [ __ ] Like you just don't know what to expect anymore with this new era, bro. It's. They're running wild. Um, but all right, Biggie, what you got?

Yeah, man. Uh, so, um, I got my last clutch of the season this weekend. Uh, I already put all my pairings into clutch. Uh, I have to ask you, man, what's that animal you have a shot at hitting in 26 that make uh, you know, makes you really, really excited. And so, I'm already pairing my my Ultramo hat Sunset to my double hat Sunset Ultra again. So, that's exciting. But outside of that, I'm really looking forward to taking a blackhead leopard ultramale double hat clown pod into like my group of females that I have to produce like ideally like a super blackhead ultramale clown with like leopard and you know, stuff like that in the mix. I think it's just going to be really pretty and it's going to be deep dark like rich tones like super blackheads are awesome. Like the super blackhead, the super chocolate, super hurricane, like all that stuff. That's like my like avenue for like that project. But my one animal that I'm really really hoping to hit this year is definitely going to be like a super blackhead leopard ultramale clown. Like I I really want to make it.

That's that's awesome. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Can't wait to see it. Um, like I'm I'm really excited about the going forward. I want to start uh I want to go for a super blackhead uh maybe Ultram Pides or or maybe was Sunset or something like that that uh I saw a Super Blackhead Pi that um I think a hardwired hit just he posted. Man, that that's a reminder that we. That's my avenue that's my avenue for Pi. That's it. Like that and like confusion pi stuff. Hey, that's a beautiful animal, man. Yeah, Super blackhead pides. That's like that's like the only way that I like super blackhead, super mahogany, you know, one of those kind of thing for pides, you know? Yeah. Change the color up. That's going to be the the path. Hell yeah. Yeah. I Anything super blackhead, man, is ideal for me. Um, that's a powerful project right there in itself. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes with that.

But what a great episode, man. We got these round two hot seat questions for you. Mine are quick. I'll go first and then we'll go with Alio after. But um, at this point right now, Brandon, do you think the higher end of the investment side of the ball python game is going to change? Do you think less people are going to be spending money in the next few years or you think that's going to increase? I mean, I don't necessarily think that that is so much going to change because there's always going to be people that desire to get that animal when it first comes out, whenever the top of like the project is available. I mean, and it and it and sometimes it just matters on opportunity. You know, some people are in a better situation where they can afford, you know, to spend that money. Like, I couldn't go buy an Ultram Sunset right now. It's like you're out of your mind if I'm paying like that just because I don't have like that to be like, "Okay, let me just go drop 15 20 grand on like a snake." Like that's just not how deep those pockets are. But I can buy the ingredients. And I feel like a lot of people are in that situation.

So if people are in the situation where they can afford to do that, you know, by all means knock themselves out. There's people that spend 50 70 whatever thousand dollars on like muscle cars from like the 70s. No problem. Yeah. It's just a matter of like what your interest is or what you like to have.

And with that being said, like there's people out there who got some crazy pockets that are interested in this hobby and that's growing. Like you got people who have other things they're really good at that like snakes and they're down. They're down to get in this man. I mean talking. We're talking about Gary Scavenino. Like dude, the friends that he knows, dude, serious stupid money. I'm talking stupid money, dude. And they love snakes and they get in, uh, whatever species they want. We're talking, you know, carpet pythons, gahhooas, condro, emerald. You know, people spend six figures on emeralds a year and they don't tell nobody about it. They just it's for their own personal enjoyment. We have a lot of that. So that's growing too. You know, not everyone wants to be on an Instagram and like look at me. Like no, dude. There's just people who have mad money and they love this. And those people fund a lot of breeders that are successful in this hobby. Dude, I'm starting to realize the successful breeders have like one or two of these clientele every year and they give them just because they breed what they want and they want it that bad. And I feel like that's a good place to be, man. I mean, find some people that want your and they got hella money, dude. They'll they'll fund a lot of your for you. It's crazy. And that's and that's really the cool thing, you know, with like say like the condro or even like the emeralds or like the basins, like and that's part of the reason why like like I do hope that like the bows I picked up I can do something crazy with in the future, but if not, like I'm just going to enjoy them. Like they're just cool.

Same thing with like the bullsnakes. You It's like I have like two little. I can't pull those bastards out because they're fast as hell, but little the the little redsided garder snakes. I got those things from Bob. Yeah. Those are nice. They're just chilling in like a little display setup. I do a little pinky sashimi for them each week. And they just hang out, man. They're cool. Like they're enjoyable to look at. Like you can have just cool display animals. Like not everything needs to be a breeder. Not everything needs to be bred. Like there's plenty of room for just enjoy. Like that's what I think.

I think that's like kind of a problem to an extent and it's like I'm not trying to say there's a right or a wrong way to do stuff. But like some people get into the ball python reptile hobby with the intent of breeding the ball python or breeding the reptile or whatever. And it's like initially for me, like it started with just like Nigel Marvin, Jeff Corwin, Steve Irwin, like all those dudes, Julian Sylvester, like watching those dudes on Animal Planet and just genuinely enjoying the animal eventually until I, you know, tore my parents down enough to be able to get one.

Sad. It's sad to think not everyone was a part of that era though, you know, like like because we're we're old, dude. No, but that was that's like pre-Instagram, pre social media. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's sexy to be like a reptile keeper and like do all this stuff. I don't know. It's it's just like. But now we got people doing this full time who were born in 2003, 2004, you know? That's crazy. That's wild to think about. And they're booty popping and doing all this crazy [ __ ] Like you just don't know what to expect anymore with this new era, bro. It's. They're running wild. Um, but all right, Biggie, what you got?

Yeah, man. Uh, so, um, I got my last clutch of the season this weekend. Uh, I already put all my pairings into clutch. Uh, I have to ask you, man, what's that animal you have a shot at hitting in 26 that make uh, you know, makes you really, really excited. And so, I'm already pairing my my Ultramo hat Sunset to my double hat Sunset Ultra again. So, that's exciting. But outside of that, I'm really looking forward to taking a blackhead leopard ultramale double hat clown pod into like my group of females that I have to produce like ideally like a super blackhead ultramale clown with like leopard and you know, stuff like that in the mix. I think it's just going to be really pretty and it's going to be deep dark like rich tones like super blackheads are awesome. Like the super blackhead, the super chocolate, super hurricane, like all that stuff. That's like my like avenue for like that project. But my one animal that I'm really really hoping to hit this year is definitely going to be like a super blackhead leopard ultramale clown. Like I I really want to make it.

That's that's awesome. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Can't wait to see it. Um, like I'm I'm really excited about the going forward. I want to start uh I want to go for a super blackhead uh maybe Ultram Pides or or maybe was Sunset or something like that that uh I saw a Super Blackhead Pi that um I think a hardwired hit just he posted. Man, that that's a reminder that we. That's my avenue that's my avenue for Pi. That's it. Like that and like confusion pi stuff. Hey, that's a beautiful animal, man. Yeah, Super blackhead pides. That's like that's like the only way that I like super blackhead, super mahogany, you know, one of those kind of thing for pides, you know? Yeah. Change the color up. That's going to be the the path. Hell yeah. Yeah. I Anything super blackhead, man, is ideal for me. Um, that's a powerful project right there in itself. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes with that.

But what a great episode, man. We got these round two hot seat questions for you. Mine are quick. I'll go first and then we'll go with Alio after. But um, at this point right now, Brandon, do you think the higher end of the investment side of the ball python game is going to change? Do you think less people are going to be spending money in the next few years or you think that's going to increase? I mean, I don't necessarily think that that is so much going to change because there's always going to be people that desire to get that animal when it first comes out, whenever the top of like the project is available. I mean, and it and it and sometimes it just matters on opportunity. You know, some people are in a better situation where they can afford, you know, to spend that money. Like, I couldn't go buy an Ultram Sunset right now. It's like you're out of your mind if I'm paying like that just because I don't have like that to be like, "Okay, let me just go drop 15 20 grand on like a snake." Like that's just not how deep those pockets are. But I can buy the ingredients. And I feel like a lot of people are in that situation.

So if people are in the situation where they can afford to do that, you know, by all means knock themselves out. There's people that spend 50 70 whatever thousand dollars on like muscle cars from like the 70s. No problem. Yeah. It's just a matter of like what your interest is or what you like to have.

And with that being said, like there's people out there who got some crazy pockets that are interested in this hobby and that's growing. Like you got people who have other things they're really good at that like snakes and they're down. They're down to get in this man. I mean talking. We're talking about Gary Scavenino. Like dude, the friends that he knows, dude, serious stupid money. I'm talking stupid money, dude. And they love snakes and they get in, uh, whatever species they want. We're talking, you know, carpet pythons, gahhooas, condro, emerald. You know, people spend six figures on emeralds a year and they don't tell nobody about it. They just it's for their own personal enjoyment. We have a lot of that. So that's growing too. You know, not everyone wants to be on an Instagram and like look at me. Like no, dude. There's just people who have mad money and they love this. And those people fund a lot of breeders that are successful in this hobby. Dude, I'm starting to realize the successful breeders have like one or two of these clientele every year and they give them just because they breed what they want and they want it that bad. And I feel like that's a good place to be, man. I mean, find some people that want your and they got hella money, dude. They'll they'll fund a lot of your for you. It's crazy. And that's and that's really the cool thing, you know, with like say like the condro or even like the emeralds or like the basins, like and that's part of the reason why like like I do hope that like the bows I picked up I can do something crazy with in the future, but if not, like I'm just going to enjoy them. Like they're just cool.

Same thing with like the bullsnakes. You It's like I have like two little. I can't pull those bastards out because they're fast as hell, but little the the little redsided garder snakes. I got those things from Bob. Yeah. Those are nice. They're just chilling in like a little display setup. I do a little pinky sashimi for them each week. And they just hang out, man. They're cool. Like they're enjoyable to look at. Like you can have just cool display animals. Like not everything needs to be a breeder. Not everything needs to be bred. Like there's plenty of room for just enjoy. Like that's what I think.

I think that's like kind of a problem to an extent and it's like I'm not trying to say there's a right or a wrong way to do stuff. But like some people get into the ball python reptile hobby with the intent of breeding the ball python or breeding the reptile or whatever. And it's like initially for me, like it started with just like Nigel Marvin, Jeff Corwin, Steve Irwin, like all those dudes, Julian Sylvester, like watching those dudes on Animal Planet and just genuinely enjoying the animal eventually until I, you know, tore my parents down enough to be able to get one.

Sad. It's sad to think not everyone was a part of that era though, you know, like like because we're we're old, dude. No, but that was that's like pre-Instagram, pre social media. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's sexy to be like a reptile keeper and like do all this stuff. I don't know. It's it's just like. But now we got people doing this full time who were born in 2003, 2004, you know? That's crazy. That's wild to think about. And they're booty popping and doing all this crazy [ __ ] Like you just don't know what to expect anymore with this new era, bro. It's. They're running wild. Um, but all right, Biggie, what you got?

Yeah, man. Uh, so, um, I got my last clutch of the season this weekend. Uh, I already put all my pairings into clutch. Uh, I have to ask you, man, what's that animal you have a shot at hitting in 26 that make uh, you know, makes you really, really excited. And so, I'm already pairing my my Ultramo hat Sunset to my double hat Sunset Ultra again. So, that's exciting. But outside of that, I'm really looking forward to taking a blackhead leopard ultramale double hat clown pod into like my group of females that I have to produce like ideally like a super blackhead ultramale clown with like leopard and you know, stuff like that in the mix. I think it's just going to be really pretty and it's going to be deep dark like rich tones like super blackheads are awesome. Like the super blackhead, the super chocolate, super hurricane, like all that stuff. That's like my like avenue for like that project. But my one animal that I'm really really hoping to hit this year is definitely going to be like a super blackhead leopard ultramale clown. Like I I really want to make it.

That's that's awesome. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Can't wait to see it. Um, like I'm I'm really excited about the going forward. I want to start uh I want to go for a super blackhead uh maybe Ultram Pides or or maybe was Sunset or something like that that uh I saw a Super Blackhead Pi that um I think a hardwired hit just he posted. Man, that that's a reminder that we. That's my avenue that's my avenue for Pi. That's it. Like that and like confusion pi stuff. Hey, that's a beautiful animal, man. Yeah, Super blackhead pides. That's like that's like the only way that I like super blackhead, super mahogany, you know, one of those kind of thing for pides, you know? Yeah. Change the color up. That's going to be the the path. Hell yeah. Yeah. I Anything super blackhead, man, is ideal for me. Um, that's a powerful project right there in itself. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes with that.

But what a great episode, man. We got these round two hot seat questions for you. Mine are quick. I'll go first and then we'll go with Alio after. But um, at this point right now, Brandon, do you think the higher end of the investment side of the ball python game is going to change? Do you think less people are going to be spending money in the next few years or you think that's going to increase? I mean, I don't necessarily think that that is so much going to change because there's always going to be people that desire to get that animal when it first comes out, whenever the top of like the project is available. I mean, and it and it and sometimes it just matters on opportunity. You know, some people are in a better situation where they can afford, you know, to spend that money. Like, I couldn't go buy an Ultram Sunset right now. It's like you're out of your mind if I'm paying like that just because I don't have like that to be like, "Okay, let me just go drop 15 20 grand on like a snake." Like that's just not how deep those pockets are. But I can buy the ingredients. And I feel like a lot of people are in that situation.

So if people are in the situation where they can afford to do that, you know, by all means knock themselves out. There's people that spend 50 70 whatever thousand dollars on like muscle cars from like the 70s. No problem. Yeah. It's just a matter of like what your interest is or what you like to have.

And with that being said, like there's people out there who got some crazy pockets that are interested in this hobby and that's growing. Like you got people who have other things they're really good at that like snakes and they're down. They're down to get in this man. I mean talking. We're talking about Gary Scavenino. Like dude, the friends that he knows, dude, serious stupid money. I'm talking stupid money, dude. And they love snakes and they get in, uh, whatever species they want. We're talking, you know, carpet pythons, gahhooas, condro, emerald. You know, people spend six figures on emeralds a year and they don't tell nobody about it. They just it's for their own personal enjoyment. We have a lot of that. So that's growing too. You know, not everyone wants to be on an Instagram and like look at me. Like no, dude. There's just people who have mad money and they love this. And those people fund a lot of breeders that are successful in this hobby. Dude, I'm starting to realize the successful breeders have like one or two of these clientele every year and they give them just because they breed what they want and they want it that bad. And I feel like that's a good place to be, man. I mean, find some people that want your and they got hella money, dude. They'll they'll fund a lot of your for you. It's crazy. And that's and that's really the cool thing, you know, with like say like the condro or even like the emeralds or like the basins, like and that's part of the reason why like like I do hope that like the bows I picked up I can do something crazy with in the future, but if not, like I'm just going to enjoy them. Like they're just cool.

Same thing with like the bullsnakes. You It's like I have like two little. I can't pull those bastards out because they're fast as hell, but little the the little redsided garder snakes. I got those things from Bob. Yeah. Those are nice. They're just chilling in like a little display setup. I do a little pinky sashimi for them each week. And they just hang out, man. They're cool. Like they're enjoyable to look at. Like you can have just cool display animals. Like not everything needs to be a breeder. Not everything needs to be bred. Like there's plenty of room for just enjoy. Like that's what I think.

I think that's like kind of a problem to an extent and it's like I'm not trying to say there's a right or a wrong way to do stuff. But like some people get into the ball python reptile hobby with the intent of breeding the ball python or breeding the reptile or whatever. And it's like initially for me, like it started with just like Nigel Marvin, Jeff Corwin, Steve Irwin, like all those dudes, Julian Sylvester, like watching those dudes on Animal Planet and just genuinely enjoying the animal eventually until I, you know, tore my parents down enough to be able to get one.

Sad. It's sad to think not everyone was a part of that era though, you know, like like because we're we're old, dude. No, but that was that's like pre-Instagram, pre social media. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's sexy to be like a reptile keeper and like do all this stuff. I don't know. It's it's just like. But now we got people doing this full time who were born in 2003, 2004, you know? That's crazy. That's wild to think about. And they're booty popping and doing all this crazy [ __ ] Like you just don't know what to expect anymore with this new era, bro. It's. They're running wild. Um, but all right, Biggie, what you got?

Yeah, man. Uh, so, um, I got my last clutch of the season this weekend. Uh, I already put all my pairings into clutch. Uh, I have to ask you, man, what's that animal you have a shot at hitting in 26 that make uh, you know, makes you really, really excited. And so, I'm already pairing my my Ultramo hat Sunset to my double hat Sunset Ultra again. So, that's exciting. But outside of that, I'm really looking forward to taking a blackhead leopard ultramale double hat clown pod into like my group of females that I have to produce like ideally like a super blackhead ultramale clown with like leopard and you know, stuff like that in the mix. I think it's just going to be really pretty and it's going to be deep dark like rich tones like super blackheads are awesome. Like the super blackhead, the super chocolate, super hurricane, like all that stuff. That's like my like avenue for like that project. But my one animal that I'm really really hoping to hit this year is definitely going to be like a super blackhead leopard ultramale clown. Like I I really want to make it.

That's that's awesome. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Can't wait to see it. Um, like I'm I'm really excited about the going forward. I want to start uh I want to go for a super blackhead uh maybe Ultram Pides or or maybe was Sunset or something like that that uh I saw a Super Blackhead Pi that um I think a hardwired hit just he posted. Man, that that's a reminder that we. That's my avenue that's my avenue for Pi. That's it. Like that and like confusion pi stuff. Hey, that's a beautiful animal, man. Yeah, Super blackhead pides. That's like that's like the only way that I like super blackhead, super mahogany, you know, one of those kind of thing for pides, you know? Yeah. Change the color up. That's going to be the the path. Hell yeah. Yeah. I Anything super blackhead, man, is ideal for me. Um, that's a powerful project right there in itself. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes with that.

But what a great episode, man. We got these round two hot seat questions for you. Mine are quick. I'll go first and then we'll go with Alio after. But um, at this point right now, Brandon, do you think the higher end of the investment side of the ball python game is going to change? Do you think less people are going to be spending money in the next few years or you think that's going to increase? I mean, I don't necessarily think that that is so much going to change because there's always going to be people that desire to get that animal when it first comes out, whenever the top of like the project is available. I mean, and it and it and sometimes it just matters on opportunity. You know, some people are in a better situation where they can afford, you know, to spend that money. Like, I couldn't go buy an Ultram Sunset right now. It's like you're out of your mind if I'm paying like that just because I don't have like that to be like, "Okay, let me just go drop 15 20 grand on like a snake." Like that's just not how deep those pockets are. But I can buy the ingredients. And I feel like a lot of people are in that situation.

So if people are in the situation where they can afford to do that, you know, by all means knock themselves out. There's people that spend 50 70 whatever thousand dollars on like muscle cars from like the 70s. No problem. Yeah. It's just a matter of like what your interest is or what you like to have.

And with that being said, like there's people out there who got some crazy pockets that are interested in this hobby and that's growing. Like you got people who have other things they're really good at that like snakes and they're down. They're down to get in this man. I mean talking. We're talking about Gary Scavenino. Like dude, the friends that he knows, dude, serious stupid money. I'm talking stupid money, dude. And they love snakes and they get in, uh, whatever species they want. We're talking, you know, carpet pythons, gahhooas, condro, emerald. You know, people spend six figures on emeralds a year and they don't tell nobody about it. They just it's for their own personal enjoyment. We have a lot of that. So that's growing too. You know, not everyone wants to be on an Instagram and like look at me. Like no, dude. There's just people who have mad money and they love this. And those people fund a lot of breeders that are successful in this hobby. Dude, I'm starting to realize the successful breeders have like one or two of these clientele every year and they give them just because they breed what they want and they want it that bad. And I feel like that's a good place to be, man. I mean, find some people that want your and they got hella money, dude. They'll they'll fund a lot of your for you. It's crazy. And that's and that's really the cool thing, you know, with like say like the condro or even like the emeralds or like the basins, like and that's part of the reason why like like I do hope that like the bows I picked up I can do something crazy with in the future, but if not, like I'm just going to enjoy them. Like they're just cool.

Same thing with like the bullsnakes. You It's like I have like two little. I can't pull those bastards out because they're fast as hell, but little the the little redsided garder snakes. I got those things from Bob. Yeah. Those are nice. They're just chilling in like a little display setup. I do a little pinky sashimi for them each week. And they just hang out, man. They're cool. Like they're enjoyable to look at. Like you can have just cool display animals. Like not everything needs to be a breeder. Not everything needs to be bred. Like there's plenty of room for just enjoy. Like that's what I think.

I think that's like kind of a problem to an extent and it's like I'm not trying to say there's a right or a wrong way to do stuff. But like some people get into the ball python reptile hobby with the intent of breeding the ball python or breeding the reptile or whatever. And it's like initially for me, like it started with just like Nigel Marvin, Jeff Corwin, Steve Irwin, like all those dudes, Julian Sylvester, like watching those dudes on Animal Planet and just genuinely enjoying the animal eventually until I, you know, tore my parents down enough to be able to get one.

Sad. It's sad to think not everyone was a part of that era though, you know, like like because we're we're old, dude. No, but that was that's like pre-Instagram, pre social media. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's sexy to be like a reptile keeper and like do all this stuff. I don't know. It's it's just like. But now we got people doing this full time who were born in 2003, 2004, you know? That's crazy. That's wild to think about. And they're booty popping and doing all this crazy [ __ ] Like you just don't know what to expect anymore with this new era, bro. It's. They're running wild. Um, but all right, Biggie, what you got?

Yeah, man. Uh, so, um, I got my last clutch of the season this weekend. Uh, I already put all my pairings into clutch. Uh, I have to ask you, man, what's that animal you have a shot at hitting in 26 that make uh, you know, makes you really, really excited. And so, I'm already pairing my my Ultramo hat Sunset to my double hat Sunset Ultra again. So, that's exciting. But outside of that, I'm really looking forward to taking a blackhead leopard ultramale double hat clown pod into like my group of females that I have to produce like ideally like a super blackhead ultramale clown with like leopard and you know, stuff like that in the mix. I think it's just going to be really pretty and it's going to be deep dark like rich tones like super blackheads are awesome. Like the super blackhead, the super chocolate, super hurricane, like all that stuff. That's like my like avenue for like that project. But my one animal that I'm really really hoping to hit this year is definitely going to be like a super blackhead leopard ultramale clown. Like I I really want to make it.

That's that's awesome. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Can't wait to see it. Um, like I'm I'm really excited about the going forward. I want to start uh I want to go for a super blackhead uh maybe Ultram Pides or or maybe was Sunset or something like that that uh I saw a Super Blackhead Pi that um I think a hardwired hit just he posted. Man, that that's a reminder that we. That's my avenue that's my avenue for Pi. That's it. Like that and like confusion pi stuff. Hey, that's a beautiful animal, man. Yeah, Super blackhead pides. That's like that's like the only way that I like super blackhead, super mahogany, you know, one of those kind of thing for pides, you know? Yeah. Change the color up. That's going to be the the path. Hell yeah. Yeah. I Anything super blackhead, man, is ideal for me. Um, that's a powerful project right there in itself. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes with that.

But what a great episode, man. We got these round two hot seat questions for you. Mine are quick. I'll go first and then we'll go with Alio after. But um, at this point right now, Brandon, do you think the higher end of the investment side of the ball python game is going to change? Do you think less people are going to be spending money in the next few years or you think that's going to increase? I mean, I don't necessarily think that that is so much going to change because there's always going to be people that desire to get that animal when it first comes out, whenever the top of like the project is available. I mean, and it and it and sometimes it just matters on opportunity. You know, some people are in a better situation where they can afford, you know, to spend that money. Like, I couldn't go buy an Ultram Sunset right now. It's like you're out of your mind if I'm paying like that just because I don't have like that to be like, "Okay, let me just go drop 15 20 grand on like a snake." Like that's just not how deep those pockets are. But I can buy the ingredients. And I feel like a lot of people are in that situation.

So if people are in the situation where they can afford to do that, you know, by all means knock themselves out. There's people that spend 50 70 whatever thousand dollars on like muscle cars from like the 70s. No problem. Yeah. It's just a matter of like what your interest is or what you like to have.

And with that being said, like there's people out there who got some crazy pockets that are interested in this hobby and that's growing. Like you got people who have other things they're really good at that like snakes and they're down. They're down to get in this man. I mean talking. We're talking about Gary Scavenino. Like dude, the friends that he knows, dude, serious stupid money. I'm talking stupid money, dude. And they love snakes and they get in, uh, whatever species they want. We're talking, you know, carpet pythons, gahhooas, condro, emerald. You know, people spend six figures on emeralds a year and they don't tell nobody about it. They just it's for their own personal enjoyment. We have a lot of that. So that's growing too. You know, not everyone wants to be on an Instagram and like look at me. Like no, dude. There's just people who have mad money and they love this. And those people fund a lot of breeders that are successful in this hobby. Dude, I'm starting to realize the successful breeders have like one or two of these clientele every year and they give them just because they breed what they want and they want it that bad. And I feel like that's a good place to be, man. I mean, find some people that want your and they got hella money, dude. They'll they'll fund a lot of your for you. It's crazy. And that's and that's really the cool thing, you know, with like say like the condro or even like the emeralds or like the basins, like and that's part of the reason why like like I do hope that like the bows I picked up I can do something crazy with in the future, but if not, like I'm just going to enjoy them. Like they're just cool.

Same thing with like the bullsnakes. You It's like I have like two little. I can't pull those bastards out because they're fast as hell, but little the the little redsided garder snakes. I got those things from Bob. Yeah. Those are nice. They're just chilling in like a little display setup. I do a little pinky sashimi for them each week. And they just hang out, man. They're cool. Like they're enjoyable to look at. Like you can have just cool display animals. Like not everything needs to be a breeder. Not everything needs to be bred. Like there's plenty of room for just enjoy. Like that's what I think.

I think that's like kind of a problem to an extent and it's like I'm not trying to say there's a right or a wrong way to do stuff. But like some people get into the ball python reptile hobby with the intent of breeding the ball python or breeding the reptile or whatever. And it's like initially for me, like it started with just like Nigel Marvin, Jeff Corwin, Steve Irwin, like all those dudes, Julian Sylvester, like watching those dudes on Animal Planet and just genuinely enjoying the animal eventually until I, you know, tore my parents down enough to be able to get one.

Sad. It's sad to think not everyone was a part of that era though, you know, like like because we're we're old, dude. No, but that was that's like pre-Instagram, pre social media. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's sexy to be like a reptile keeper and like do all this stuff. I don't know. It's it's just like. But now we got people doing this full time who were born in 2003, 2004, you know? That's crazy. That's wild to think about. And they're booty popping and doing all this crazy [ __ ] Like you just don't know what to expect anymore with this new era, bro. It's. They're running wild. Um, but all right, Biggie, what you got?

Yeah, man. Uh, so, um, I got my last clutch of the season this weekend. Uh, I already put all my pairings into clutch. Uh, I have to ask you, man, what's that animal you have a shot at hitting in 26 that make uh, you know, makes you really, really excited. And so, I'm already pairing my my Ultramo hat Sunset to my double hat Sunset Ultra again. So, that's exciting. But outside of that, I'm really looking forward to taking a blackhead leopard ultramale double hat clown pod into like my group of females that I have to produce like ideally like a super blackhead ultramale clown with like leopard and you know, stuff like that in the mix. I think it's just going to be really pretty and it's going to be deep dark like rich tones like super blackheads are awesome. Like the super blackhead, the super chocolate, super hurricane, like all that stuff. That's like my like avenue for like that project. But my one animal that I'm really really hoping to hit this year is definitely going to be like a super blackhead leopard ultramale clown. Like I I really want to make it.

That's that's awesome. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Can't wait to see it. Um, like I'm I'm really excited about the going forward. I want to start uh I want to go for a super blackhead uh maybe Ultram Pides or or maybe was Sunset or something like that that uh I saw a Super Blackhead Pi that um I think a hardwired hit just he posted. Man, that that's a reminder that we. That's my avenue that's my avenue for Pi. That's it. Like that and like confusion pi stuff. Hey, that's a beautiful animal, man. Yeah, Super blackhead pides. That's like that's like the only way that I like super blackhead, super mahogany, you know, one of those kind of thing for pides, you know? Yeah. Change the color up. That's going to be the the path. Hell yeah. Yeah. I Anything super blackhead, man, is ideal for me. Um, that's a powerful project right there in itself. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes with that.

But what a great episode, man. We got these round two hot seat questions for you. Mine are quick. I'll go first and then we'll go with Alio after. But um, at this point right now, Brandon, do you think the higher end of the investment side of the ball python game is going to change? Do you think less people are going to be spending money in the next few years or you think that's going to increase? I mean, I don't necessarily think that that is so much going to change because there's always going to be people that desire to get that animal when it first comes out, whenever the top of like the project is available. I mean, and it and it and sometimes it just matters on opportunity. You know, some people are in a better situation where they can afford, you know, to spend that money. Like, I couldn't go buy an Ultram Sunset right now. It's like you're out of your mind if I'm paying like that just because I don't have like that to be like, "Okay, let me just go drop 15 20 grand on like a snake." Like that's just not how deep those pockets are. But I can buy the ingredients. And I feel like a lot of people are in that situation.

So if people are in the situation where they can afford to do that, you know, by all means knock themselves out. There's people that spend 50 70 whatever thousand dollars on like muscle cars from like the 70s. No problem. Yeah. It's just a matter of like what your interest is or what you like to have.

And with that being said, like there's people out there who got some crazy pockets that are interested in this hobby and that's growing. Like you got people who have other things they're really good at that like snakes and they're down. They're down to get in this man. I mean talking. We're talking about Gary Scavenino. Like dude, the friends that he knows, dude, serious stupid money. I'm talking stupid money, dude. And they love snakes and they get in, uh, whatever species they want. We're talking, you know, carpet pythons, gahhooas, condro, emerald. You know, people spend six figures on emeralds a year and they don't tell nobody about it. They just it's for their own personal enjoyment. We have a lot of that. So that's growing too. You know, not everyone wants to be on an Instagram and like look at me. Like no, dude. There's just people who have mad money and they love this. And those people fund a lot of breeders that are successful in this hobby. Dude, I'm starting to realize the successful breeders have like one or two of these clientele every year and they give them just because they breed what they want and they want it that bad. And I feel like that's a good place to be, man. I mean, find some people that want your and they got hella money, dude. They'll they'll fund a lot of your for you. It's crazy. And that's and that's really the cool thing, you know, with like say like the condro or even like the emeralds or like the basins, like and that's part of the reason why like like I do hope that like the bows I picked up I can do something crazy with in the future, but if not, like I'm just going to enjoy them. Like they're just cool.

Same thing with like the bullsnakes. You It's like I have like two little. I can't pull those bastards out because they're fast as hell, but little the the little redsided garder snakes. I got those things from Bob. Yeah. Those are nice. They're just chilling in like a little display setup. I do a little pinky sashimi for them each week. And they just hang out, man. They're cool. Like they're enjoyable to look at. Like you can have just cool display animals. Like not everything needs to be a breeder. Not everything needs to be bred. Like there's plenty of room for just enjoy. Like that's what I think.

I think that's like kind of a problem to an extent and it's like I'm not trying to say there's a right or a wrong way to do stuff. But like some people get into the ball python reptile hobby with the intent of breeding the ball python or breeding the reptile or whatever. And it's like initially for me, like it started with just like Nigel Marvin, Jeff Corwin, Steve Irwin, like all those dudes, Julian Sylvester, like watching those dudes on Animal Planet and just genuinely enjoying the animal eventually until I, you know, tore my parents down enough to be able to get one.

Sad. It's sad to think not everyone was a part of that era though, you know, like like because we're we're old, dude. No, but that was that's like pre-Instagram, pre social media. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's sexy to be like a reptile keeper and like do all this stuff. I don't know. It's it's just like. But now we got people doing this full time who were born in 2003, 2004, you know? That's crazy. That's wild to think about. And they're booty popping and doing all this crazy [ __ ] Like you just don't know what to expect anymore with this new era, bro. It's. They're running wild. Um, but all right, Biggie, what you got?

Yeah, man. Uh, so, um, I got my last clutch of the season this weekend. Uh, I already put all my pairings into clutch. Uh, I have to ask you, man, what's that animal you have a shot at hitting in 26 that make uh, you know, makes you really, really excited. And so, I'm already pairing my my Ultramo hat Sunset to my double hat Sunset Ultra again. So, that's exciting. But outside of that, I'm really looking forward to taking a blackhead leopard ultramale double hat clown pod into like my group of females that I have to produce like ideally like a super blackhead ultramale clown with like leopard and you know, stuff like that in the mix. I think it's just going to be really pretty and it's going to be deep dark like rich tones like super blackheads are awesome. Like the super blackhead, the super chocolate, super hurricane, like all that stuff. That's like my like avenue for like that project. But my one animal that I'm really really hoping to hit this year is definitely going to be like a super blackhead leopard ultramale clown. Like I I really want to make it.

That's that's awesome. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Can't wait to see it. Um, like I'm I'm really excited about the going forward. I want to start uh I want to go for a super blackhead uh maybe Ultram Pides or or maybe was Sunset or something like that that uh I saw a Super Blackhead Pi that um I think a hardwired hit just he posted. Man, that that's a reminder that we. That's my avenue that's my avenue for Pi. That's it. Like that and like confusion pi stuff. Hey, that's a beautiful animal, man. Yeah, Super blackhead pides. That's like that's like the only way that I like super blackhead, super mahogany, you know, one of those kind of thing for pides, you know? Yeah. Change the color up. That's going to be the the path. Hell yeah. Yeah. I Anything super blackhead, man, is ideal for me. Um, that's a powerful project right there in itself. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes with that.

But what a great episode, man. We got these round two hot seat questions for you. Mine are quick. I'll go first and then we'll go with Alio after. But um, at this point right now, Brandon, do you think the higher end of the investment side of the ball python game is going to change? Do you think less people are going to be spending money in the next few years or you think that's going to increase? I mean, I don't necessarily think that that is so much going to change because there's always going to be people that desire to get that animal when it first comes out, whenever the top of like the project is available. I mean, and it and it and sometimes it just matters on opportunity. You know, some people are in a better situation where they can afford, you know, to spend that money. Like, I couldn't go buy an Ultram Sunset right now. It's like you're out of your mind if I'm paying like that just because I don't have like that to be like, "Okay, let me just go drop 15 20 grand on like a snake." Like that's just not how deep those pockets are. But I can buy the ingredients. And I feel like a lot of people are in that situation.

So if people are in the situation where they can afford to do that, you know, by all means knock themselves out. There's people that spend 50 70 whatever thousand dollars on like muscle cars from like the 70s. No problem. Yeah. It's just a matter of like what your interest is or what you like to have.

And with that being said, like there's people out there who got some crazy pockets that are interested in this hobby and that's growing. Like you got people who have other things they're really good at that like snakes and they're down. They're down to get in this man. I mean talking. We're talking about Gary Scavenino. Like dude, the friends that he knows, dude, serious stupid money. I'm talking stupid money, dude. And they love snakes and they get in, uh, whatever species they want. We're talking, you know, carpet pythons, gahhooas, condro, emerald. You know, people spend six figures on emeralds a year and they don't tell nobody about it. They just it's for their own personal enjoyment. We have a lot of that. So that's growing too. You know, not everyone wants to be on an Instagram and like look at me. Like no, dude. There's just people who have mad money and they love this. And those people fund a lot of breeders that are successful in this hobby. Dude, I'm starting to realize the successful breeders have like one or two of these clientele every year and they give them just because they breed what they want and they want it that bad. And I feel like that's a good place to be, man. I mean, find some people that want your and they got hella money, dude. They'll they'll fund a lot of your for you. It's crazy. And that's and that's really the cool thing, you know, with like say like the condro or even like the emeralds or like the basins, like and that's part of the reason why like like I do hope that like the bows I picked up I can do something crazy with in the future, but if not, like I'm just going to enjoy them. Like they're just cool.

Same thing with like the bullsnakes. You It's like I have like two little. I can't pull those bastards out because they're fast as hell, but little the the little redsided garder snakes. I got those things from Bob. Yeah. Those are nice. They're just chilling in like a little display setup. I do a little pinky sashimi for them each week. And they just hang out, man. They're cool. Like they're enjoyable to look at. Like you can have just cool display animals. Like not everything needs to be a breeder. Not everything needs to be bred. Like there's plenty of room for just enjoy. Like that's what I think.

I think that's like kind of a problem to an extent and it's like I'm not trying to say there's a right or a wrong way to do stuff. But like some people get into the ball python reptile hobby with the intent of breeding the ball python or breeding the reptile or whatever. And it's like initially for me, like it started with just like Nigel Marvin, Jeff Corwin, Steve Irwin, like all those dudes, Julian Sylvester, like watching those dudes on Animal Planet and just genuinely enjoying the animal eventually until I, you know, tore my parents down enough to be able to get one.

Sad. It's sad to think not everyone was a part of that era though, you know, like like because we're we're old, dude. No, but that was that's like pre-Instagram, pre social media. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's sexy to be like a reptile keeper and like do all this stuff. I don't know. It's it's just like. But now we got people doing this full time who were born in 2003, 2004, you know? That's crazy. That's wild to think about. And they're booty popping and doing all this crazy [ __ ] Like you just don't know what to expect anymore with this new era, bro. It's. They're running wild. Um, but all right, Biggie, what you got?

Yeah, man. Uh, so, um, I got my last clutch of the season this weekend. Uh, I already put all my pairings into clutch. Uh, I have to ask you, man, what's that animal you have a shot at hitting in 26 that make uh, you know, makes you really, really excited. And so, I'm already pairing my my Ultramo hat Sunset to my double hat Sunset Ultra again. So, that's exciting. But outside of that, I'm really looking forward to taking a blackhead leopard ultramale double hat clown pod into like my group of females that I have to produce like ideally like a super blackhead ultramale clown with like leopard and you know, stuff like that in the mix. I think it's just going to be really pretty and it's going to be deep dark like rich tones like super blackheads are awesome. Like the super blackhead, the super chocolate, super hurricane, like all that stuff. That's like my like avenue for like that project. But my one animal that I'm really really hoping to hit this year is definitely going to be like a super blackhead leopard ultramale clown. Like I I really want to make it.

That's that's awesome. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Can't wait to see it. Um, like I'm I'm really excited about the going forward. I want to start uh I want to go for a super blackhead uh maybe Ultram Pides or or maybe was Sunset or something like that that uh I saw a Super Blackhead Pi that um I think a hardwired hit just he posted. Man, that that's a reminder that we. That's my avenue that's my avenue for Pi. That's it. Like that and like confusion pi stuff. Hey, that's a beautiful animal, man. Yeah, Super blackhead pides. That's like that's like the only way that I like super blackhead, super mahogany, you know, one of those kind of thing for pides, you know? Yeah. Change the color up. That's going to be the the path. Hell yeah. Yeah. I Anything super blackhead, man, is ideal for me. Um, that's a powerful project right there in itself. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes with that.

But what a great episode, man. We got these round two hot seat questions for you. Mine are quick. I'll go first and then we'll go with Alio after. But um, at this point right now, Brandon, do you think the higher end of the investment side of the ball python game is going to change? Do you think less people are going to be spending money in the next few years or you think that's going to increase? I mean, I don't necessarily think that that is so much going to change because there's always going to be people that desire to get that animal when it first comes out, whenever the top of like the project is available. I mean, and it and it and sometimes it just matters on opportunity. You know, some people are in a better situation where they can afford, you know, to spend that money. Like, I couldn't go buy an Ultram Sunset right now. It's like you're out of your mind if I'm paying like that just because I don't have like that to be like, "Okay, let me just go drop 15 20 grand on like a snake." Like that's just not how deep those pockets are. But I can buy the ingredients. And I feel like a lot of people are in that situation.

So if people are in the situation where they can afford to do that, you know, by all means knock themselves out. There's people that spend 50 70 whatever thousand dollars on like muscle cars from like the 70s. No problem. Yeah. It's just a matter of like what your interest is or what you like to have.

And with that being said, like there's people out there who got some crazy pockets that are interested in this hobby and that's growing. Like you got people who have other things they're really good at that like snakes and they're down. They're down to get in this man. I mean talking. We're talking about Gary Scavenino. Like dude, the friends that he knows, dude, serious stupid money. I'm talking stupid money, dude. And they love snakes and they get in, uh, whatever species they want. We're talking, you know, carpet pythons, gahhooas, condro, emerald. You know, people spend six figures on emeralds a year and they don't tell nobody about it. They just it's for their own personal enjoyment. We have a lot of that. So that's growing too. You know, not everyone wants to be on an Instagram and like look at me. Like no, dude. There's just people who have mad money and they love this. And those people fund a lot of breeders that are successful in this hobby. Dude, I'm starting to realize the successful breeders have like one or two of these clientele every year and they give them just because they breed what they want and they want it that bad. And I feel like that's a good place to be, man. I mean, find some people that want your and they got hella money, dude. They'll they'll fund a lot of your for you. It's crazy. And that's and that's really the cool thing, you know, with like say like the condro or even like the emeralds or like the basins, like and that's part of the reason why like like I do hope that like the bows I picked up I can do something crazy with in the future, but if not, like I'm just going to enjoy them. Like they're just cool.

Same thing with like the bullsnakes. You It's like I have like two little. I can't pull those bastards out because they're fast as hell, but little the the little redsided garder snakes. I got those things from Bob. Yeah. Those are nice. They're just chilling in like a little display setup. I do a little pinky sashimi for them each week. And they just hang out, man. They're cool. Like they're enjoyable to look at. Like you can have just cool display animals. Like not everything needs to be a breeder. Not everything needs to be bred. Like there's plenty of room for just enjoy. Like that's what I think.

I think that's like kind of a problem to an extent and it's like I'm not trying to say there's a right or a wrong way to do stuff. But like some people get into the ball python reptile hobby with the intent of breeding the ball python or breeding the reptile or whatever. And it's like initially for me, like it started with just like Nigel Marvin, Jeff Corwin, Steve Irwin, like all those dudes, Julian Sylvester, like watching those dudes on Animal Planet and just genuinely enjoying the animal eventually until I, you know, tore my parents down enough to be able to get one.

Sad. It's sad to think not everyone was a part of that era though, you know, like like because we're we're old, dude. No, but that was that's like pre-Instagram, pre social media. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's sexy to be like a reptile keeper and like do all this stuff. I don't know. It's it's just like. But now we got people doing this full time who were born in 2003, 2004, you know? That's crazy. That's wild to think about. And they're booty popping and doing all this crazy [ __ ] Like you just don't know what to expect anymore with this new era, bro. It's. They're running wild. Um, but all right, Biggie, what you got?

Yeah, man. Uh, so, um, I got my last clutch of the season this weekend. Uh, I already put all my pairings into clutch. Uh, I have to ask you, man, what's that animal you have a shot at hitting in 26 that make uh, you know, makes you really, really excited. And so, I'm already pairing my my Ultramo hat Sunset to my double hat Sunset Ultra again. So, that's exciting. But outside of that, I'm really looking forward to taking a blackhead leopard ultramale double hat clown pod into like my group of females that I have to produce like ideally like a super blackhead ultramale clown with like leopard and you know, stuff like that in the mix. I think it's just going to be really pretty and it's going to be deep dark like rich tones like super blackheads are awesome. Like the super blackhead, the super chocolate, super hurricane, like all that stuff. That's like my like avenue for like that project. But my one animal that I'm really really hoping to hit this year is definitely going to be like a super blackhead leopard ultramale clown. Like I I really want to make it.

That's that's awesome. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Can't wait to see it. Um, like I'm I'm really excited about the going forward. I want to start uh I want to go for a super blackhead uh maybe Ultram Pides or or maybe was Sunset or something like that that uh I saw a Super Blackhead Pi that um I think a hardwired hit just he posted. Man, that that's a reminder that we. That's my avenue that's my avenue for Pi. That's it. Like that and like confusion pi stuff. Hey, that's a beautiful animal, man. Yeah, Super blackhead pides. That's like that's like the only way that I like super blackhead, super mahogany, you know, one of those kind of thing for pides, you know? Yeah. Change the color up. That's going to be the the path. Hell yeah. Yeah. I Anything super blackhead, man, is ideal for me. Um, that's a powerful project right there in itself. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes with that.

But what a great episode, man. We got these round two hot seat questions for you. Mine are quick. I'll go first and then we'll go with Alio after. But um, at this point right now, Brandon, do you think the higher end of the investment side of the ball python game is going to change? Do you think less people are going to be spending money in the next few years or you think that's going to increase? I mean, I don't necessarily think that that is so much going to change because there's always going to be people that desire to get that animal when it first comes out, whenever the top of like the project is available. I mean, and it and it and sometimes it just matters on opportunity. You know, some people are in a better situation where they can afford, you know, to spend that money. Like, I couldn't go buy an Ultram Sunset right now. It's like you're out of your mind if I'm paying like that just because I don't have like that to be like, "Okay, let me just go drop 15 20 grand on like a snake." Like that's just not how deep those pockets are. But I can buy the ingredients. And I feel like a lot of people are in that situation.

So if people are in the situation where they can afford to do that, you know, by all means knock themselves out. There's people that spend 50 70 whatever thousand dollars on like muscle cars from like the 70s. No problem. Yeah. It's just a matter of like what your interest is or what you like to have.

And with that being said, like there's people out there who got some crazy pockets that are interested in this hobby and that's growing. Like you got people who have other things they're really good at that like snakes and they're down. They're down to get in this man. I mean talking. We're talking about Gary Scavenino. Like dude, the friends that he knows, dude, serious stupid money. I'm talking stupid money, dude. And they love snakes and they get in, uh, whatever species they want. We're talking, you know, carpet pythons, gahhooas, condro, emerald. You know, people spend six figures on emeralds a year and they don't tell nobody about it. They just it's for their own personal enjoyment. We have a lot of that. So that's growing too. You know, not everyone wants to be on an Instagram and like look at me. Like no, dude. There's just people who have mad money and they love this. And those people fund a lot of breeders that are successful in this hobby. Dude, I'm starting to realize the successful breeders have like one or two of these clientele every year and they give them just because they breed what they want and they want it that bad. And I feel like that's a good place to be, man. I mean, find some people that want your and they got hella money, dude. They'll they'll fund a lot of your for you. It's crazy. And that's and that's really the cool thing, you know, with like say like the condro or even like the emeralds or like the basins, like and that's part of the reason why like like I do hope that like the bows I picked up I can do something crazy with in the future, but if not, like I'm just going to enjoy them. Like they're just cool.

Same thing with like the bullsnakes. You It's like I have like two little. I can't pull those bastards out because they're fast as hell, but little the the little redsided garder snakes. I got those things from Bob. Yeah. Those are nice. They're just chilling in like a little display setup. I do a little pinky sashimi for them each week. And they just hang out, man. They're cool. Like they're enjoyable to look at. Like you can have just cool display animals. Like not everything needs to be a breeder. Not everything needs to be bred. Like there's plenty of room for just enjoy. Like that's what I think.

I think that's like kind of a problem to an extent and it's like I'm not trying to say there's a right or a wrong way to do stuff. But like some people get into the ball python reptile hobby with the intent of breeding the ball python or breeding the reptile or whatever. And it's like initially for me, like it started with just like Nigel Marvin, Jeff Corwin, Steve Irwin, like all those dudes, Julian Sylvester, like watching those dudes on Animal Planet and just genuinely enjoying the animal eventually until I, you know, tore my parents down enough to be able to get one.

Sad. It's sad to think not everyone was a part of that era though, you know, like like because we're we're old, dude. No, but that was that's like pre-Instagram, pre social media. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's sexy to be like a reptile keeper and like do all this stuff. I don't know. It's it's just like. But now we got people doing this full time who were born in 2003, 2004, you know? That's crazy. That's wild to think about. And they're booty popping and doing all this crazy [ __ ] Like you just don't know what to expect anymore with this new era, bro. It's. They're running wild. Um, but all right, Biggie, what you got?

Yeah, man. Uh, so, um, I got my last clutch of the season this weekend. Uh, I already put all my pairings into clutch. Uh, I have to ask you, man, what's that animal you have a shot at hitting in 26 that make uh, you know, makes you really, really excited. And so, I'm already pairing my my Ultramo hat Sunset to my double hat Sunset Ultra again. So, that's exciting. But outside of that, I'm really looking forward to taking a blackhead leopard ultramale double hat clown pod into like my group of females that I have to produce like ideally like a super blackhead ultramale clown with like leopard and you know, stuff like that in the mix. I think it's just going to be really pretty and it's going to be deep dark like rich tones like super blackheads are awesome. Like the super blackhead, the super chocolate, super hurricane, like all that stuff. That's like my like avenue for like that project. But my one animal that I'm really really hoping to hit this year is definitely going to be like a super blackhead leopard ultramale clown. Like I I really want to make it.

That's that's awesome. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Can't wait to see it. Um, like I'm I'm really excited about the going forward. I want to start uh I want to go for a super blackhead uh maybe Ultram Pides or or maybe was Sunset or something like that that uh I saw a Super Blackhead Pi that um I think a hardwired hit just he posted. Man, that that's a reminder that we. That's my avenue that's my avenue for Pi. That's it. Like that and like confusion pi stuff. Hey, that's a beautiful animal, man. Yeah, Super blackhead pides. That's like that's like the only way that I like super blackhead, super mahogany, you know, one of those kind of thing for pides, you know? Yeah. Change the color up. That's going to be the the path. Hell yeah. Yeah. I Anything super blackhead, man, is ideal for me. Um, that's a powerful project right there in itself. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes with that.

But what a great episode, man. We got these round two hot seat questions for you. Mine are quick. I'll go first and then we'll go with Alio after. But um, at this point right now, Brandon, do you think the higher end of the investment side of the ball python game is going to change? Do you think less people are going to be spending money in the next few years or you think that's going to increase? I mean, I don't necessarily think that that is so much going to change because there's always going to be people that desire to get that animal when it first comes out, whenever the top of like the project is available. I mean, and it and it and sometimes it just matters on opportunity. You know, some people are in a better situation where they can afford, you know, to spend that money. Like, I couldn't go buy an Ultram Sunset right now. It's like you're out of your mind if I'm paying like that just because I don't have like that to be like, "Okay, let me just go drop 15 20 grand on like a snake." Like that's just not how deep those pockets are. But I can buy the ingredients. And I feel like a lot of people are in that situation.

So if people are in the situation where they can afford to do that, you know, by all means knock themselves out. There's people that spend 50 70 whatever thousand dollars on like muscle cars from like the 70s. No problem. Yeah. It's just a matter of like what your interest is or what you like to have.

And with that being said, like there's people out there who got some crazy pockets that are interested in this hobby and that's growing. Like you got people who have other things they're really good at that like snakes and they're down. They're down to get in this man. I mean talking. We're talking about Gary Scavenino. Like dude, the friends that he knows, dude, serious stupid money. I'm talking stupid money, dude. And they love snakes and they get in, uh, whatever species they want. We're talking, you know, carpet pythons, gahhooas, condro, emerald. You know, people spend six figures on emeralds a year and they don't tell nobody about it. They just it's for their own personal enjoyment. We have a lot of that. So that's growing too. You know, not everyone wants to be on an Instagram and like look at me. Like no, dude. There's just people who have mad money and they love this. And those people fund a lot of breeders that are successful in this hobby. Dude, I'm starting to realize the successful breeders have like one or two of these clientele every year and they give them just because they breed what they want and they want it that bad. And I feel like that's a good place to be, man. I mean, find some people that want your and they got hella money, dude. They'll they'll fund a lot of your for you. It's crazy. And that's and that's really the cool thing, you know, with like say like the condro or even like the emeralds or like the basins, like and that's part of the reason why like like I do hope that like the bows I picked up I can do something crazy with in the future, but if not, like I'm just going to enjoy them. Like they're just cool.

Same thing with like the bullsnakes. You It's like I have like two little. I can't pull those bastards out because they're fast as hell, but little the the little redsided garder snakes. I got those things from Bob. Yeah. Those are nice. They're just chilling in like a little display setup. I do a little pinky sashimi for them each week. And they just hang out, man. They're cool. Like they're enjoyable to look at. Like you can have just cool display animals. Like not everything needs to be a breeder. Not everything needs to be bred. Like there's plenty of room for just enjoy. Like that's what I think.

I think that's like kind of a problem to an extent and it's like I'm not trying to say there's a right or a wrong way to do stuff. But like some people get into the ball python reptile hobby with the intent of breeding the ball python or breeding the reptile or whatever. And it's like initially for me, like it started with just like Nigel Marvin, Jeff Corwin, Steve Irwin, like all those dudes, Julian Sylvester, like watching those dudes on Animal Planet and just genuinely enjoying the animal eventually until I, you know, tore my parents down enough to be able to get one.

Sad. It's sad to think not everyone was a part of that era though, you know, like like because we're we're old, dude. No, but that was that's like pre-Instagram, pre social media. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's sexy to be like a reptile keeper and like do all this stuff. I don't know. It's it's just like. But now we got people doing this full time who were born in 2003, 2004, you know? That's crazy. That's wild to think about. And they're booty popping and doing all this crazy [ __ ] Like you just don't know what to expect anymore with this new era, bro. It's. They're running wild. Um, but all right, Biggie, what you got?

Yeah, man. Uh, so, um, I got my last clutch of the season this weekend. Uh, I already put all my pairings into clutch. Uh, I have to ask you, man, what's that animal you have a shot at hitting in 26 that make uh, you know, makes you really, really excited. And so, I'm already pairing my my Ultramo hat Sunset to my double hat Sunset Ultra again. So, that's exciting. But outside of that, I'm really looking forward to taking a blackhead leopard ultramale double hat clown pod into like my group of females that I have to produce like ideally like a super blackhead ultramale clown with like leopard and you know, stuff like that in the mix. I think it's just going to be really pretty and it's going to be deep dark like rich tones like super blackheads are awesome. Like the super blackhead, the super chocolate, super hurricane, like all that stuff. That's like my like avenue for like that project. But my one animal that I'm really really hoping to hit this year is definitely going to be like a super blackhead leopard ultramale clown. Like I I really want to make it.

That's that's awesome. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Can't wait to see it. Um, like I'm I'm really excited about the going forward. I want to start uh I want to go for a super blackhead uh maybe Ultram Pides or or maybe was Sunset or something like that that uh I saw a Super Blackhead Pi that um I think a hardwired hit just he posted. Man, that that's a reminder that we. That's my avenue that's my avenue for Pi. That's it. Like that and like confusion pi stuff. Hey, that's a beautiful animal, man. Yeah, Super blackhead pides. That's like that's like the only way that I like super blackhead, super mahogany, you know, one of those kind of thing for pides, you know? Yeah. Change the color up. That's going to be the the path. Hell yeah. Yeah. I Anything super blackhead, man, is ideal for me. Um, that's a powerful project right there in itself. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes with that.

But what a great episode, man. We got these round two hot seat questions for you. Mine are quick. I'll go first and then we'll go with Alio after. But um, at this point right now, Brandon, do you think the higher end of the investment side of the ball python game is going to change? Do you think less people are going to be spending money in the next few years or you think that's going to increase? I mean, I don't necessarily think that that is so much going to change because there's always going to be people that desire to get that animal when it first comes out, whenever the top of like the project is available. I mean, and it and it and sometimes it just matters on opportunity. You know, some people are in a better situation where they can afford, you know, to spend that money. Like, I couldn't go buy an Ultram Sunset right now. It's like you're out of your mind if I'm paying like that just because I don't have like that to be like, "Okay, let me just go drop 15 20 grand on like a snake." Like that's just not how deep those pockets are. But I can buy the ingredients. And I feel like a lot of people are in that situation.

So if people are in the situation where they can afford to do that, you know, by all means knock themselves out. There's people that spend 50 70 whatever thousand dollars on like muscle cars from like the 70s. No problem. Yeah. It's just a matter of like what your interest is or what you like to have.

And with that being said, like there's people out there who got some crazy pockets that are interested in this hobby and that's growing. Like you got people who have other things they're really good at that like snakes and they're down. They're down to get in this man. I mean talking. We're talking about Gary Scavenino. Like dude, the friends that he knows, dude, serious stupid money. I'm talking stupid money, dude. And they love snakes and they get in, uh, whatever species they want. We're talking, you know, carpet pythons, gahhooas, condro, emerald. You know, people spend six figures on emeralds a year and they don't tell nobody about it. They just it's for their own personal enjoyment. We have a lot of that. So that's growing too. You know, not everyone wants to be on an Instagram and like look at me. Like no, dude. There's just people who have mad money and they love this. And those people fund a lot of breeders that are successful in this hobby. Dude, I'm starting to realize the successful breeders have like one or two of these clientele every year and they give them just because they breed what they want and they want it that bad. And I feel like that's a good place to be, man. I mean, find some people that want your and they got hella money, dude. They'll they'll fund a lot of your for you. It's crazy. And that's and that's really the cool thing, you know, with like say like the condro or even like the emeralds or like the basins, like and that's part of the reason why like like I do hope that like the bows I picked up I can do something crazy with in the future, but if not, like I'm just going to enjoy them. Like they're just cool.

Same thing with like the bullsnakes. You It's like I have like two little. I can't pull those bastards out because they're fast as hell, but little the the little redsided garder snakes. I got those things from Bob. Yeah. Those are nice. They're just chilling in like a little display setup. I do a little pinky sashimi for them each week. And they just hang out, man. They're cool. Like they're enjoyable to look at. Like you can have just cool display animals. Like not everything needs to be a breeder. Not everything needs to be bred. Like there's plenty of room for just enjoy. Like that's what I think.

I think that's like kind of a problem to an extent and it's like I'm not trying to say there's a right or a wrong way to do stuff. But like some people get into the ball python reptile hobby with the intent of breeding the ball python or breeding the reptile or whatever. And it's like initially for me, like it started with just like Nigel Marvin, Jeff Corwin, Steve Irwin, like all those dudes, Julian Sylvester, like watching those dudes on Animal Planet and just genuinely enjoying the animal eventually until I, you know, tore my parents down enough to be able to get one.

Sad. It's sad to think not everyone was a part of that era though, you know, like like because we're we're old, dude. No, but that was that's like pre-Instagram, pre social media. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's sexy to be like a reptile keeper and like do all this stuff. I don't know. It's it's just like. But now we got people doing this full time who were born in 2003, 2004, you know? That's crazy. That's wild to think about. And they're booty popping and doing all this crazy [ __ ] Like you just don't know what to expect anymore with this new era, bro. It's. They're running wild. Um, but all right, Biggie, what you got?

Yeah, man. Uh, so, um, I got my last clutch of the season this weekend. Uh, I already put all my pairings into clutch. Uh, I have to ask you, man, what's that animal you have a shot at hitting in 26 that make uh, you know, makes you really, really excited. And so, I'm already pairing my my Ultramo hat Sunset to my double hat Sunset Ultra again. So, that's exciting. But outside of that, I'm really looking forward to taking a blackhead leopard ultramale double hat clown pod into like my group of females that I have to produce like ideally like a super blackhead ultramale clown with like leopard and you know, stuff like that in the mix. I think it's just going to be really pretty and it's going to be deep dark like rich tones like super blackheads are awesome. Like the super blackhead, the super chocolate, super hurricane, like all that stuff. That's like my like avenue for like that project. But my one animal that I'm really really hoping to hit this year is definitely going to be like a super blackhead leopard ultramale clown. Like I I really want to make it.

That's that's awesome. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Can't wait to see it. Um, like I'm I'm really excited about the going forward. I want to start uh I want to go for a super blackhead uh maybe Ultram Pides or or maybe was Sunset or something like that that uh I saw a Super Blackhead Pi that um I think a hardwired hit just he posted. Man, that that's a reminder that we. That's my avenue that's my avenue for Pi. That's it. Like that and like confusion pi stuff. Hey, that's a beautiful animal, man. Yeah, Super blackhead pides. That's like that's like the only way that I like super blackhead, super mahogany, you know, one of those kind of thing for pides, you know? Yeah. Change the color up. That's going to be the the path. Hell yeah. Yeah. I Anything super blackhead, man, is ideal for me. Um, that's a powerful project right there in itself. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes with that.

But what a great episode, man. We got these round two hot seat questions for you. Mine are quick. I'll go first and then we'll go with Alio after. But um, at this point right now, Brandon, do you think the higher end of the investment side of the ball python game is going to change? Do you think less people are going to be spending money in the next few years or you think that's going to increase? I mean, I don't necessarily think that that is so much going to change because there's always going to be people that desire to get that animal when it first comes out, whenever the top of like the project is available. I mean, and it and it and sometimes it just matters on opportunity. You know, some people are in a better situation where they can afford, you know, to spend that money. Like, I couldn't go buy an Ultram Sunset right now. It's like you're out of your mind if I'm paying like that just because I don't have like that to be like, "Okay, let me just go drop 15 20 grand on like a snake." Like that's just not how deep those pockets are. But I can buy the ingredients. And I feel like a lot of people are in that situation.

So if people are in the situation where they can afford to do that, you know, by all means knock themselves out. There's people that spend 50 70 whatever thousand dollars on like muscle cars from like the 70s. No problem. Yeah. It's just a matter of like what your interest is or what you like to have.

And with that being said, like there's people out there who got some crazy pockets that are interested in this hobby and that's growing. Like you got people who have other things they're really good at that like snakes and they're down. They're down to get in this man. I mean talking. We're talking about Gary Scavenino. Like dude, the friends that he knows, dude, serious stupid money. I'm talking stupid money, dude. And they love snakes and they get in, uh, whatever species they want. We're talking, you know, carpet pythons, gahhooas, condro, emerald. You know, people spend six figures on emeralds a year and they don't tell nobody about it. They just it's for their own personal enjoyment. We have a lot of that. So that's growing too. You know, not everyone wants to be on an Instagram and like look at me. Like no, dude. There's just people who have mad money and they love this. And those people fund a lot of breeders that are successful in this hobby. Dude, I'm starting to realize the successful breeders have like one or two of these clientele every year and they give them just because they breed what they want and they want it that bad. And I feel like that's a good place to be, man. I mean, find some people that want your and they got hella money, dude. They'll they'll fund a lot of your for you. It's crazy. And that's and that's really the cool thing, you know, with like say like the condro or even like the emeralds or like the basins, like and that's part of the reason why like like I do hope that like the bows I picked up I can do something crazy with in the future, but if not, like I'm just going to enjoy them. Like they're just cool.

Same thing with like the bullsnakes. You It's like I have like two little. I can't pull those bastards out because they're fast as hell, but little the the little redsided garder snakes. I got those things from Bob. Yeah. Those are nice. They're just chilling in like a little display setup. I do a little pinky sashimi for them each week. And they just hang out, man. They're cool. Like they're enjoyable to look at. Like you can have just cool display animals. Like not everything needs to be a breeder. Not everything needs to be bred. Like there's plenty of room for just enjoy. Like that's what I think.

I think that's like kind of a problem to an extent and it's like I'm not trying to say there's a right or a wrong way to do stuff. But like some people get into the ball python reptile hobby with the intent of breeding the ball python or breeding the reptile or whatever. And it's like initially for me, like it started with just like Nigel Marvin, Jeff Corwin, Steve Irwin, like all those dudes, Julian Sylvester, like watching those dudes on Animal Planet and just genuinely enjoying the animal eventually until I, you know, tore my parents down enough to be able to get one.

Sad. It's sad to think not everyone was a part of that era though, you know, like like because we're we're old, dude. No, but that was that's like pre-Instagram, pre social media. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's sexy to be like a reptile keeper and like do all this stuff. I don't know. It's it's just like. But now we got people doing this full time who were born in 2003, 2004, you know? That's crazy. That's wild to think about. And they're booty popping and doing all this crazy [ __ ] Like you just don't know what to expect anymore with this new era, bro. It's. They're running wild. Um, but all right, Biggie, what you got?

Yeah, man. Uh, so, um, I got my last clutch of the season this weekend. Uh, I already put all my pairings into clutch. Uh, I have to ask you, man, what's that animal you have a shot at hitting in 26 that make uh, you know, makes you really, really excited. And so, I'm already pairing my my Ultramo hat Sunset to my double hat Sunset Ultra again. So, that's exciting. But outside of that, I'm really looking forward to taking a blackhead leopard ultramale double hat clown pod into like my group of females that I have to produce like ideally like a super blackhead ultramale clown with like leopard and you know, stuff like that in the mix. I think it's just going to be really pretty and it's going to be deep dark like rich tones like super blackheads are awesome. Like the super blackhead, the super chocolate, super hurricane, like all that stuff. That's like my like avenue for like that project. But my one animal that I'm really really hoping to hit this year is definitely going to be like a super blackhead leopard ultramale clown. Like I I really want to make it.

That's that's awesome. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Can't wait to see it. Um, like I'm I'm really excited about the going forward. I want to start uh I want to go for a super blackhead uh maybe Ultram Pides or or maybe was Sunset or something like that that uh I saw a Super Blackhead Pi that um I think a hardwired hit just he posted. Man, that that's a reminder that we. That's my avenue that's my avenue for Pi. That's it. Like that and like confusion pi stuff. Hey, that's a beautiful animal, man. Yeah, Super blackhead pides. That's like that's like the only way that I like super blackhead, super mahogany, you know, one of those kind of thing for pides, you know? Yeah. Change the color up. That's going to be the the path. Hell yeah. Yeah. I Anything super blackhead, man, is ideal for me. Um, that's a powerful project right there in itself. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes with that.

But what a great episode, man. We got these round two hot seat questions for you. Mine are quick. I'll go first and then we'll go with Alio after. But um, at this point right now, Brandon, do you think the higher end of the investment side of the ball python game is going to change? Do you think less people are going to be spending money in the next few years or you think that's going to increase? I mean, I don't necessarily think that that is so much going to change because there's always going to be people that desire to get that animal when it first comes out, whenever the top of like the project is available. I mean, and it and it and sometimes it just matters on opportunity. You know, some people are in a better situation where they can afford, you know, to spend that money. Like, I couldn't go buy an Ultram Sunset right now. It's like you're out of your mind if I'm paying like that just because I don't have like that to be like, "Okay, let me just go drop 15 20 grand on like a snake." Like that's just not how deep those pockets are. But I can buy the ingredients. And I feel like a lot of people are in that situation.

So if people are in the situation where they can afford to do that, you know, by all means knock themselves out. There's people that spend 50 70 whatever thousand dollars on like muscle cars from like the 70s. No problem. Yeah. It's just a matter of like what your interest is or what you like to have.

And with that being said, like there's people out there who got some crazy pockets that are interested in this hobby and that's growing. Like you got people who have other things they're really good at that like snakes and they're down. They're down to get in this man. I mean talking. We're talking about Gary Scavenino. Like dude, the friends that he knows, dude, serious stupid money. I'm talking stupid money, dude. And they love snakes and they get in, uh, whatever species they want. We're talking, you know, carpet pythons, gahhooas, condro, emerald. You know, people spend six figures on emeralds a year and they don't tell nobody about it. They just it's for their own personal enjoyment. We have a lot of that. So that's growing too. You know, not everyone wants to be on an Instagram and like look at me. Like no, dude. There's just people who have mad money and they love this. And those people fund a lot of breeders that are successful in this hobby. Dude, I'm starting to realize the successful breeders have like one or two of these clientele every year and they give them just because they breed what they want and they want it that bad. And I feel like that's a good place to be, man. I mean, find some people that want your and they got hella money, dude. They'll they'll fund a lot of your for you. It's crazy. And that's and that's really the cool thing, you know, with like say like the condro or even like the emeralds or like the basins, like and that's part of the reason why like like I do hope that like the bows I picked up I can do something crazy with in the future, but if not, like I'm just going to enjoy them. Like they're just cool.

Same thing with like the bullsnakes. You It's like I have like two little. I can't pull those bastards out because they're fast as hell, but little the the little redsided garder snakes. I got those things from Bob. Yeah. Those are nice. They're just chilling in like a little display setup. I do a little pinky sashimi for them each week. And they just hang out, man. They're cool. Like they're enjoyable to look at. Like you can have just cool display animals. Like not everything needs to be a breeder. Not everything needs to be bred. Like there's plenty of room for just enjoy. Like that's what I think.

I think that's like kind of a problem to an extent and it's like I'm not trying to say there's a right or a wrong way to do stuff. But like some people get into the ball python reptile hobby with the intent of breeding the ball python or breeding the reptile or whatever. And it's like initially for me, like it started with just like Nigel Marvin, Jeff Corwin, Steve Irwin, like all those dudes, Julian Sylvester, like watching those dudes on Animal Planet and just genuinely enjoying the animal eventually until I, you know, tore my parents down enough to be able to get one.

Sad. It's sad to think not everyone was a part of that era though, you know, like like because we're we're old, dude. No, but that was that's like pre-Instagram, pre social media. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's sexy to be like a reptile keeper and like do all this stuff. I don't know. It's it's just like. But now we got people doing this full time who were born in 2003, 2004, you know? That's crazy. That's wild to think about. And they're booty popping and doing all this crazy [ __ ] Like you just don't know what to expect anymore with this new era, bro. It's. They're running wild. Um, but all right, Biggie, what you got?

Yeah, man. Uh, so, um, I got my last clutch of the season this weekend. Uh, I already put all my pairings into clutch. Uh, I have to ask you, man, what's that animal you have a shot at hitting in 26 that make uh, you know, makes you really, really excited. And so, I'm already pairing my my Ultramo hat Sunset to my double hat Sunset Ultra again. So, that's exciting. But outside of that, I'm really looking forward to taking a blackhead leopard ultramale double hat clown pod into like my group of females that I have to produce like ideally like a super blackhead ultramale clown with like leopard and you know, stuff like that in the mix. I think it's just going to be really pretty and it's going to be deep dark like rich tones like super blackheads are awesome. Like the super blackhead, the super chocolate, super hurricane, like all that stuff. That's like my like avenue for like that project. But my one animal that I'm really really hoping to hit this year is definitely going to be like a super blackhead leopard ultramale clown. Like I I really want to make it.

That's that's awesome. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Can't wait to see it. Um, like I'm I'm really excited about the going forward. I want to start uh I want to go for a super blackhead uh maybe Ultram Pides or or maybe was Sunset or something like that that uh I saw a Super Blackhead Pi that um I think a hardwired hit just he posted. Man, that that's a reminder that we. That's my avenue that's my avenue for Pi. That's it. Like that and like confusion pi stuff. Hey, that's a beautiful animal, man. Yeah, Super blackhead pides. That's like that's like the only way that I like super blackhead, super mahogany, you know, one of those kind of thing for pides, you know? Yeah. Change the color up. That's going to be the the path. Hell yeah. Yeah. I Anything super blackhead, man, is ideal for me. Um, that's a powerful project right there in itself. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes with that.

But what a great episode, man. We got these round two hot seat questions for you. Mine are quick. I'll go first and then we'll go with Alio after. But um, at this point right now, Brandon, do you think the higher end of the investment side of the ball python game is going to change? Do you think less people are going to be spending money in the next few years or you think that's going to increase? I mean, I don't necessarily think that that is so much going to change because there's always going to be people that desire to get that animal when it first comes out, whenever the top of like the project is available. I mean, and it and it and sometimes it just matters on opportunity. You know, some people are in a better situation where they can afford, you know, to spend that money. Like, I couldn't go buy an Ultram Sunset right now. It's like you're out of your mind if I'm paying like that just because I don't have like that to be like, "Okay, let me just go drop 15 20 grand on like a snake." Like that's just not how deep those pockets are. But I can buy the ingredients. And I feel like a lot of people are in that situation.

So if people are in the situation where they can afford to do that, you know, by all means knock themselves out. There's people that spend 50 70 whatever thousand dollars on like muscle cars from like the 70s. No problem. Yeah. It's just a matter of like what your interest is or what you like to have.

And with that being said, like there's people out there who got some crazy pockets that are interested in this hobby and that's growing. Like you got people who have other things they're really good at that like snakes and they're down. They're down to get in this man. I mean talking. We're talking about Gary Scavenino. Like dude, the friends that he knows, dude, serious stupid money. I'm talking stupid money, dude. And they love snakes and they get in, uh, whatever species they want. We're talking, you know, carpet pythons, gahhooas, condro, emerald. You know, people spend six figures on emeralds a year and they don't tell nobody about it. They just it's for their own personal enjoyment. We have a lot of that. So that's growing too. You know, not everyone wants to be on an Instagram and like look at me. Like no, dude. There's just people who have mad money and they love this. And those people fund a lot of breeders that are successful in this hobby. Dude, I'm starting to realize the successful breeders have like one or two of these clientele every year and they give them just because they breed what they want and they want it that bad. And I feel like that's a good place to be, man. I mean, find some people that want your and they got hella money, dude. They'll they'll fund a lot of your for you. It's crazy. And that's and that's really the cool thing, you know, with like say like the condro or even like the emeralds or like the basins, like and that's part of the reason why like like I do hope that like the bows I picked up I can do something crazy with in the future, but if not, like I'm just going to enjoy them. Like they're just cool.

Same thing with like the bullsnakes. You It's like I have like two little. I can't pull those bastards out because they're fast as hell, but little the the little redsided garder snakes. I got those things from Bob. Yeah. Those are nice. They're just chilling in like a little display setup. I do a little pinky sashimi for them each week. And they just hang out, man. They're cool. Like they're enjoyable to look at. Like you can have just cool display animals. Like not everything needs to be a breeder. Not everything needs to be bred. Like there's plenty of room for just enjoy. Like that's what I think.

I think that's like kind of a problem to an extent and it's like I'm not trying to say there's a right or a wrong way to do stuff. But like some people get into the ball python reptile hobby with the intent of breeding the ball python or breeding the reptile or whatever. And it's like initially for me, like it started with just like Nigel Marvin, Jeff Corwin, Steve Irwin, like all those dudes, Julian Sylvester, like watching those dudes on Animal Planet and just genuinely enjoying the animal eventually until I, you know, tore my parents down enough to be able to get one.

Sad. It's sad to think not everyone was a part of that era though, you know, like like because we're we're old, dude. No, but that was that's like pre-Instagram, pre social media. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's sexy to be like a reptile keeper and like do all this stuff. I don't know. It's it's just like. But now we got people doing this full time who were born in 2003, 2004, you know? That's crazy. That's wild to think about. And they're booty popping and doing all this crazy [ __ ] Like you just don't know what to expect anymore with this new era, bro. It's. They're running wild. Um, but all right, Biggie, what you got?

Yeah, man. Uh, so, um, I got my last clutch of the season this weekend. Uh, I already put all my pairings into clutch. Uh, I have to ask you, man, what's that animal you have a shot at hitting in 26 that make uh, you know, makes you really, really excited. And so, I'm already pairing my my Ultramo hat Sunset to my double hat Sunset Ultra again. So, that's exciting. But outside of that, I'm really looking forward to taking a blackhead leopard ultramale double hat clown pod into like my group of females that I have to produce like ideally like a super blackhead ultramale clown with like leopard and you know, stuff like that in the mix. I think it's just going to be really pretty and it's going to be deep dark like rich tones like super blackheads are awesome. Like the super blackhead, the super chocolate, super hurricane, like all that stuff. That's like my like avenue for like that project. But my one animal that I'm really really hoping to hit this year is definitely going to be like a super blackhead leopard ultramale clown. Like I I really want to make it.

That's that's awesome. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Can't wait to see it. Um, like I'm I'm really excited about the going forward. I want to start uh I want to go for a super blackhead uh maybe Ultram Pides or or maybe was Sunset or something like that that uh I saw a Super Blackhead Pi that um I think a hardwired hit just he posted. Man, that that's a reminder that we. That's my avenue that's my avenue for Pi. That's it. Like that and like confusion pi stuff. Hey, that's a beautiful animal, man. Yeah, Super blackhead pides. That's like that's like the only way that I like super blackhead, super mahogany, you know, one of those kind of thing for pides, you know? Yeah. Change the color up. That's going to be the the path. Hell yeah. Yeah. I Anything super blackhead, man, is ideal for me. Um, that's a powerful project right there in itself. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes with that.

But what a great episode, man. We got these round two hot seat questions for you. Mine are quick. I'll go first and then we'll go with Alio after. But um, at this point right now, Brandon, do you think the higher end of the investment side of the ball python game is going to change? Do you think less people are going to be spending money in the next few years or you think that's going to increase? I mean, I don't necessarily think that that is so much going to change because there's always going to be people that desire to get that animal when it first comes out, whenever the top of like the project is available. I mean, and it and it and sometimes it just matters on opportunity. You know, some people are in a better situation where they can afford, you know, to spend that money. Like, I couldn't go buy an Ultram Sunset right now. It's like you're out of your mind if I'm paying like that just because I don't have like that to be like, "Okay, let me just go drop 15 20 grand on like a snake." Like that's just not how deep those pockets are. But I can buy the ingredients. And I feel like a lot of people are in that situation.

So if people are in the situation where they can afford to do that, you know, by all means knock themselves out. There's people that spend 50 70 whatever thousand dollars on like muscle cars from like the 70s. No problem. Yeah. It's just a matter of like what your interest is or what you like to have.

And with that being said, like there's people out there who got some crazy pockets that are interested in this hobby and that's growing. Like you got people who have other things they're really good at that like snakes and they're down. They're down to get in this man. I mean talking. We're talking about Gary Scavenino. Like dude, the friends that he knows, dude, serious stupid money. I'm talking stupid money, dude. And they love snakes and they get in, uh, whatever species they want. We're talking, you know, carpet pythons, gahhooas, condro, emerald. You know, people spend six figures on emeralds a year and they don't tell nobody about it. They just it's for their own personal enjoyment. We have a lot of that. So that's growing too. You know, not everyone wants to be on an Instagram and like look at me. Like no, dude. There's just people who have mad money and they love this. And those people fund a lot of breeders that are successful in this hobby. Dude, I'm starting to realize the successful breeders have like one or two of these clientele every year and they give them just because they breed what they want and they want it that bad. And I feel like that's a good place to be, man. I mean, find some people that want your and they got hella money, dude. They'll they'll fund a lot of your for you. It's crazy. And that's and that's really the cool thing, you know, with like say like the condro or even like the emeralds or like the basins, like and that's part of the reason why like like I do hope that like the bows I picked up I can do something crazy with in the future, but if not, like I'm just going to enjoy them. Like they're just cool.

Same thing with like the bullsnakes. You It's like I have like two little. I can't pull those bastards out because they're fast as hell, but little the the little redsided garder snakes. I got those things from Bob. Yeah. Those are nice. They're just chilling in like a little display setup. I do a little pinky sashimi for them each week. And they just hang out, man. They're cool. Like they're enjoyable to look at. Like you can have just cool display animals. Like not everything needs to be a breeder. Not everything needs to be bred. Like there's plenty of room for just enjoy. Like that's what I think.

I think that's like kind of a problem to an extent and it's like I'm not trying to say there's a right or a wrong way to do stuff. But like some people get into the ball python reptile hobby with the intent of breeding the ball python or breeding the reptile or whatever. And it's like initially for me, like it started with just like Nigel Marvin, Jeff Corwin, Steve Irwin, like all those dudes, Julian Sylvester, like watching those dudes on Animal Planet and just genuinely enjoying the animal eventually until I, you know, tore my parents down enough to be able to get one.

Sad. It's sad to think not everyone was a part of that era though, you know, like like because we're we're old, dude. No, but that was that's like pre-Instagram, pre social media. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's sexy to be like a reptile keeper and like do all this stuff. I don't know. It's it's just like. But now we got people doing this full time who were born in 2003, 2004, you know? That's crazy. That's wild to think about. And they're booty popping and doing all this crazy [ __ ] Like you just don't know what to expect anymore with this new era, bro. It's. They're running wild. Um, but all right, Biggie, what you got?

Yeah, man. Uh, so, um, I got my last clutch of the season this weekend. Uh, I already put all my pairings into clutch. Uh, I have to ask you, man, what's that animal you have a shot at hitting in 26 that make uh, you know, makes you really, really excited. And so, I'm already pairing my my Ultramo hat Sunset to my double hat Sunset Ultra again. So, that's exciting. But outside of that, I'm really looking forward to taking a blackhead leopard ultramale double hat clown pod into like my group of females that I have to produce like ideally like a super blackhead ultramale clown with like leopard and you know, stuff like that in the mix. I think it's just going to be really pretty and it's going to be deep dark like rich tones like super blackheads are awesome. Like the super blackhead, the super chocolate, super hurricane, like all that stuff. That's like my like avenue for like that project. But my one animal that I'm really really hoping to hit this year is definitely going to be like a super blackhead leopard ultramale clown. Like I I really want to make it.

That's that's awesome. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Can't wait to see it. Um, like I'm I'm really excited about the going forward. I want to start uh I want to go for a super blackhead uh maybe Ultram Pides or or maybe was Sunset or something like that that uh I saw a Super Blackhead Pi that um I think a hardwired hit just he posted. Man, that that's a reminder that we. That's my avenue that's my avenue for Pi. That's it. Like that and like confusion pi stuff. Hey, that's a beautiful animal, man. Yeah, Super blackhead pides. That's like that's like the only way that I like super blackhead, super mahogany, you know, one of those kind of thing for pides, you know? Yeah. Change the color up. That's going to be the the path. Hell yeah. Yeah. I Anything super blackhead, man, is ideal for me. Um, that's a powerful project right there in itself. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes with that.

But what a great episode, man. We got these round two hot seat questions for you. Mine are quick. I'll go first and then we'll go with Alio after. But um, at this point right now, Brandon, do you think the higher end of the investment side of the ball python game is going to change? Do you think less people are going to be spending money in the next few years or you think that's going to increase? I mean, I don't necessarily think that that is so much going to change because there's always going to be people that desire to get that animal when it first comes out, whenever the top of like the project is available. I mean, and it and it and sometimes it just matters on opportunity. You know, some people are in a better situation where they can afford, you know, to spend that money. Like, I couldn't go buy an Ultram Sunset right now. It's like you're out of your mind if I'm paying like that just because I don't have like that to be like, "Okay, let me just go drop 15 20 grand on like a snake." Like that's just not how deep those pockets are. But I can buy the ingredients. And I feel like a lot of people are in that situation.

So if people are in the situation where they can afford to do that, you know, by all means knock themselves out. There's people that spend 50 70 whatever thousand dollars on like muscle cars from like the 70s. No problem. Yeah. It's just a matter of like what your interest is or what you like to have.

And with that being said, like there's people out there who got some crazy pockets that are interested in this hobby and that's growing. Like you got people who have other things they're really good at that like snakes and they're down. They're down to get in this man. I mean talking. We're talking about Gary Scavenino. Like dude, the friends that he knows, dude, serious stupid money. I'm talking stupid money, dude. And they love snakes and they get in, uh, whatever species they want. We're talking, you know, carpet pythons, gahhooas, condro, emerald. You know, people spend six figures on emeralds a year and they don't tell nobody about it. They just it's for their own personal enjoyment. We have a lot of that. So that's growing too. You know, not everyone wants to be on an Instagram and like look at me. Like no, dude. There's just people who have mad money and they love this. And those people fund a lot of breeders that are successful in this hobby. Dude, I'm starting to realize the successful breeders have like one or two of these clientele every year and they give them just because they breed what they want and they want it that bad. And I feel like that's a good place to be, man. I mean, find some people that want your and they got hella money, dude. They'll they'll fund a lot of your for you. It's crazy. And that's and that's really the cool thing, you know, with like say like the condro or even like the emeralds or like the basins, like and that's part of the reason why like like I do hope that like the bows I picked up I can do something crazy with in the future, but if not, like I'm just going to enjoy them. Like they're just cool.

Same thing with like the bullsnakes. You It's like I have like two little. I can't pull those bastards out because they're fast as hell, but little the the little redsided garder snakes. I got those things from Bob. Yeah. Those are nice. They're just chilling in like a little display setup. I do a little pinky sashimi for them each week. And they just hang out, man. They're cool. Like they're enjoyable to look at. Like you can have just cool display animals. Like not everything needs to be a breeder. Not everything needs to be bred. Like there's plenty of room for just enjoy. Like that's what I think.

I think that's like kind of a problem to an extent and it's like I'm not trying to say there's a right or a wrong way to do stuff. But like some people get into the ball python reptile hobby with the intent of breeding the ball python or breeding the reptile or whatever. And it's like initially for me, like it started with just like Nigel Marvin, Jeff Corwin, Steve Irwin, like all those dudes, Julian Sylvester, like watching those dudes on Animal Planet and just genuinely enjoying the animal eventually until I, you know, tore my parents down enough to be able to get one.

Sad. It's sad to think not everyone was a part of that era though, you know, like like because we're we're old, dude. No, but that was that's like pre-Instagram, pre social media. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's sexy to be like a reptile keeper and like do all this stuff. I don't know. It's it's just like. But now we got people doing this full time who were born in 2003, 2004, you know? That's crazy. That's wild to think about. And they're booty popping and doing all this crazy [ __ ] Like you just don't know what to expect anymore with this new era, bro. It's. They're running wild. Um, but all right, Biggie, what you got?

Yeah, man. Uh, so, um, I got my last clutch of the season this weekend. Uh, I already put all my pairings into clutch. Uh, I have to ask you, man, what's that animal you have a shot at hitting in 26 that make uh, you know, makes you really, really excited. And so, I'm already pairing my my Ultramo hat Sunset to my double hat Sunset Ultra again. So, that's exciting. But outside of that, I'm really looking forward to taking a blackhead leopard ultramale double hat clown pod into like my group of females that I have to produce like ideally like a super blackhead ultramale clown with like leopard and you know, stuff like that in the mix. I think it's just going to be really pretty and it's going to be deep dark like rich tones like super blackheads are awesome. Like the super blackhead, the super chocolate, super hurricane, like all that stuff. That's like my like avenue for like that project. But my one animal that I'm really really hoping to hit this year is definitely going to be like a super blackhead leopard ultramale clown. Like I I really want to make it.

That's that's awesome. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Can't wait to see it. Um, like I'm I'm really excited about the going forward. I want to start uh I want to go for a super blackhead uh maybe Ultram Pides or or maybe was Sunset or something like that that uh I saw a Super Blackhead Pi that um I think a hardwired hit just he posted. Man, that that's a reminder that we. That's my avenue that's my avenue for Pi. That's it. Like that and like confusion pi stuff. Hey, that's a beautiful animal, man. Yeah, Super blackhead pides. That's like that's like the only way that I like super blackhead, super mahogany, you know, one of those kind of thing for pides, you know? Yeah. Change the color up. That's going to be the the path. Hell yeah. Yeah. I Anything super blackhead, man, is ideal for me. Um, that's a powerful project right there in itself. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes with that.

But what a great episode, man. We got these round two hot seat questions for you. Mine are quick. I'll go first and then we'll go with Alio after. But um, at this point right now, Brandon, do you think the higher end of the investment side of the ball python game is going to change? Do you think less people are going to be spending money in the next few years or you think that's going to increase? I mean, I don't necessarily think that that is so much going to change because there's always going to be people that desire to get that animal when it first comes out, whenever the top of like the project is available. I mean, and it and it and sometimes it just matters on opportunity. You know, some people are in a better situation where they can afford, you know, to spend that money. Like, I couldn't go buy an Ultram Sunset right now. It's like you're out of your mind if I'm paying like that just because I don't have like that to be like, "Okay, let me just go drop 15 20 grand on like a snake." Like that's just not how deep those pockets are. But I can buy the ingredients. And I feel like a lot of people are in that situation.

So if people are in the situation where they can afford to do that, you know, by all means knock themselves out. There's people that spend 50 70 whatever thousand dollars on like muscle cars from like the 70s. No problem. Yeah. It's just a matter of like what your interest is or what you like to have.

And with that being said, like there's people out there who got some crazy pockets that are interested in this hobby and that's growing. Like you got people who have other things they're really good at that like snakes and they're down. They're down to get in this man. I mean talking. We're talking about Gary Scavenino. Like dude, the friends that he knows, dude, serious stupid money. I'm talking stupid money, dude. And they love snakes and they get in, uh, whatever species they want. We're talking, you know, carpet pythons, gahhooas, condro, emerald. You know, people spend six figures on emeralds a year and they don't tell nobody about it. They just it's for their own personal enjoyment. We have a lot of that. So that's growing too. You know, not everyone wants to be on an Instagram and like look at me. Like no, dude. There's just people who have mad money and they love this. And those people fund a lot of breeders that are successful in this hobby. Dude, I'm starting to realize the successful breeders have like one or two of these clientele every year and they give them just because they breed what they want and they want it that bad. And I feel like that's a good place to be, man. I mean, find some people that want your and they got hella money, dude. They'll they'll fund a lot of your for you. It's crazy. And that's and that's really the cool thing, you know, with like say like the condro or even like the emeralds or like the basins, like and that's part of the reason why like like I do hope that like the bows I picked up I can do something crazy with in the future, but if not, like I'm just going to enjoy them. Like they're just cool.

Same thing with like the bullsnakes. You It's like I have like two little. I can't pull those bastards out because they're fast as hell, but little the the little redsided garder snakes. I got those things from Bob. Yeah. Those are nice. They're just chilling in like a little display setup. I do a little pinky sashimi for them each week. And they just hang out, man. They're cool. Like they're enjoyable to look at. Like you can have just cool display animals. Like not everything needs to be a breeder. Not everything needs to be bred. Like there's plenty of room for just enjoy. Like that's what I think.

I think that's like kind of a problem to an extent and it's like I'm not trying to say there's a right or a wrong way to do stuff. But like some people get into the ball python reptile hobby with the intent of breeding the ball python or breeding the reptile or whatever. And it's like initially for me, like it started with just like Nigel Marvin, Jeff Corwin, Steve Irwin, like all those dudes, Julian Sylvester, like watching those dudes on Animal Planet and just genuinely enjoying the animal eventually until I, you know, tore my parents down enough to be able to get one.

Sad. It's sad to think not everyone was a part of that era though, you know, like like because we're we're old, dude. No, but that was that's like pre-Instagram, pre social media. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's sexy to be like a reptile keeper and like do all this stuff. I don't know. It's it's just like. But now we got people doing this full time who were born in 2003, 2004, you know? That's crazy. That's wild to think about. And they're booty popping and doing all this crazy [ __ ] Like you just don't know what to expect anymore with this new era, bro. It's. They're running wild. Um, but all right, Biggie, what you got?

Yeah, man. Uh, so, um, I got my last clutch of the season this weekend. Uh, I already put all my pairings into clutch. Uh, I have to ask you, man, what's that animal you have a shot at hitting in 26 that make uh, you know, makes you really, really excited. And so, I'm already pairing my my Ultramo hat Sunset to my double hat Sunset Ultra again. So, that's exciting. But outside of that, I'm really looking forward to taking a blackhead leopard ultramale double hat clown pod into like my group of females that I have to produce like ideally like a super blackhead ultramale clown with like leopard and you know, stuff like that in the mix. I think it's just going to be really pretty and it's going to be deep dark like rich tones like super blackheads are awesome. Like the super blackhead, the super chocolate, super hurricane, like all that stuff. That's like my like avenue for like that project. But my one animal that I'm really really hoping to hit this year is definitely going to be like a super blackhead leopard ultramale clown. Like I I really want to make it.

That's that's awesome. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Can't wait to see it. Um, like I'm I'm really excited about the going forward. I want to start uh I want to go for a super blackhead uh maybe Ultram Pides or or maybe was Sunset or something like that that uh I saw a Super Blackhead Pi that um I think a hardwired hit just he posted. Man, that that's a reminder that we. That's my avenue that's my avenue for Pi. That's it. Like that and like confusion pi stuff. Hey, that's a beautiful animal, man. Yeah, Super blackhead pides. That's like that's like the only way that I like super blackhead, super mahogany, you know, one of those kind of thing for pides, you know? Yeah. Change the color up. That's going to be the the path. Hell yeah. Yeah. I Anything super blackhead, man, is ideal for me. Um, that's a powerful project right there in itself. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes with that.

But what a great episode, man. We got these round two hot seat questions for you. Mine are quick. I'll go first and then we'll go with Alio after. But um, at this point right now, Brandon, do you think the higher end of the investment side of the ball python game is going to change? Do you think less people are going to be spending money in the next few years or you think that's going to increase? I mean, I don't necessarily think that that is so much going to change because there's always going to be people that desire to get that animal when it first comes out, whenever the top of like the project is available. I mean, and it and it and sometimes it just matters on opportunity. You know, some people are in a better situation where they can afford, you know, to spend that money. Like, I couldn't go buy an Ultram Sunset right now. It's like you're out of your mind if I'm paying like that just because I don't have like that to be like, "Okay, let me just go drop 15 20 grand on like a snake." Like that's just not how deep those pockets are. But I can buy the ingredients. And I feel like a lot of people are in that situation.

So if people are in the situation where they can afford to do that, you know, by all means knock themselves out. There's people that spend 50 70 whatever thousand dollars on like muscle cars from like the 70s. No problem. Yeah. It's just a matter of like what your interest is or what you like to have.

And with that being said, like there's people out there who got some crazy pockets that are interested in this hobby and that's growing. Like you got people who have other things they're really good at that like snakes and they're down. They're down to get in this man. I mean talking. We're talking about Gary Scavenino. Like dude, the friends that he knows, dude, serious stupid money. I'm talking stupid money, dude. And they love snakes and they get in, uh, whatever species they want. We're talking, you know, carpet pythons, gahhooas, condro, emerald. You know, people spend six figures on emeralds a year and they don't tell nobody about it. They just it's for their own personal enjoyment. We have a lot of that. So that's growing too. You know, not everyone wants to be on an Instagram and like look at me. Like no, dude. There's just people who have mad money and they love this. And those people fund a lot of breeders that are successful in this hobby. Dude, I'm starting to realize the successful breeders have like one or two of these clientele every year and they give them just because they breed what they want and they want it that bad. And I feel like that's a good place to be, man. I mean, find some people that want your and they got hella money, dude. They'll they'll fund a lot of your for you. It's crazy. And that's and that's really the cool thing, you know, with like say like the condro or even like the emeralds or like the basins, like and that's part of the reason why like like I do hope that like the bows I picked up I can do something crazy with in the future, but if not, like I'm just going to enjoy them. Like they're just cool.

Same thing with like the bullsnakes. You It's like I have like two little. I can't pull those bastards out because they're fast as hell, but little the the little redsided garder snakes. I got those things from Bob. Yeah. Those are nice. They're just chilling in like a little display setup. I do a little pinky sashimi for them each week. And they just hang out, man. They're cool. Like they're enjoyable to look at. Like you can have just cool display animals. Like not everything needs to be a breeder. Not everything needs to be bred. Like there's plenty of room for just enjoy. Like that's what I think.

I think that's like kind of a problem to an extent and it's like I'm not trying to say there's a right or a wrong way to do stuff. But like some people get into the ball python reptile hobby with the intent of breeding the ball python or breeding the reptile or whatever. And it's like initially for me, like it started with just like Nigel Marvin, Jeff Corwin, Steve Irwin, like all those dudes, Julian Sylvester, like watching those dudes on Animal Planet and just genuinely enjoying the animal eventually until I, you know, tore my parents down enough to be able to get one.

Sad. It's sad to think not everyone was a part of that era though, you know, like like because we're we're old, dude. No, but that was that's like pre-Instagram, pre social media. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's sexy to be like a reptile keeper and like do all this stuff. I don't know. It's it's just like. But now we got people doing this full time who were born in 2003, 2004, you know? That's crazy. That's wild to think about. And they're booty popping and doing all this crazy [ __ ] Like you just don't know what to expect anymore with this new era, bro. It's. They're running wild. Um, but all right, Biggie, what you got?

Yeah, man. Uh, so, um, I got my last clutch of the season this weekend. Uh, I already put all my pairings into clutch. Uh, I have to ask you, man, what's that animal you have a shot at hitting in 26 that make uh, you know, makes you really, really excited. And so, I'm already pairing my my Ultramo hat Sunset to my double hat Sunset Ultra again. So, that's exciting. But outside of that, I'm really looking forward to taking a blackhead leopard ultramale double hat clown pod into like my group of females that I have to produce like ideally like a super blackhead ultramale clown with like leopard and you know, stuff like that in the mix. I think it's just going to be really pretty and it's going to be deep dark like rich tones like super blackheads are awesome. Like the super blackhead, the super chocolate, super hurricane, like all that stuff. That's like my like avenue for like that project. But my one animal that I'm really really hoping to hit this year is definitely going to be like a super blackhead leopard ultramale clown. Like I I really want to make it.

That's that's awesome. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Can't wait to see it. Um, like I'm I'm really excited about the going forward. I want to start uh I want to go for a super blackhead uh maybe Ultram Pides or or maybe was Sunset or something like that that uh I saw a Super Blackhead Pi that um I think a hardwired hit just he posted. Man, that that's a reminder that we. That's my avenue that's my avenue for Pi. That's it. Like that and like confusion pi stuff. Hey, that's a beautiful animal, man. Yeah, Super blackhead pides. That's like that's like the only way that I like super blackhead, super mahogany, you know, one of those kind of thing for pides, you know? Yeah. Change the color up. That's going to be the the path. Hell yeah. Yeah. I Anything super blackhead, man, is ideal for me. Um, that's a powerful project right there in itself. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes with that.

But what a great episode, man. We got these round two hot seat questions for you. Mine are quick. I'll go first and then we'll go with Alio after. But um, at this point right now, Brandon, do you think the higher end of the investment side of the ball python game is going to change? Do you think less people are going to be spending money in the next few years or you think that's going to increase? I mean, I don't necessarily think that that is so much going to change because there's always going to be people that desire to get that animal when it first comes out, whenever the top of like the project is available. I mean, and it and it and sometimes it just matters on opportunity. You know, some people are in a better situation where they can afford, you know, to spend that money. Like, I couldn't go buy an Ultram Sunset right now. It's like you're out of your mind if I'm paying like that just because I don't have like that to be like, "Okay, let me just go drop 15 20 grand on like a snake." Like that's just not how deep those pockets are. But I can buy the ingredients. And I feel like a lot of people are in that situation.

So if people are in the situation where they can afford to do that, you know, by all means knock themselves out. There's people that spend 50 70 whatever thousand dollars on like muscle cars from like the 70s. No problem. Yeah. It's just a matter of like what your interest is or what you like to have.

And with that being said, like there's people out there who got some crazy pockets that are interested in this hobby and that's growing. Like you got people who have other things they're really good at that like snakes and they're down. They're down to get in this man. I mean talking. We're talking about Gary Scavenino. Like dude, the friends that he knows, dude, serious stupid money. I'm talking stupid money, dude. And they love snakes and they get in, uh, whatever species they want. We're talking, you know, carpet pythons, gahhooas, condro, emerald. You know, people spend six figures on emeralds a year and they don't tell nobody about it. They just it's for their own personal enjoyment. We have a lot of that. So that's growing too. You know, not everyone wants to be on an Instagram and like look at me. Like no, dude. There's just people who have mad money and they love this. And those people fund a lot of breeders that are successful in this hobby. Dude, I'm starting to realize the successful breeders have like one or two of these clientele every year and they give them just because they breed what they want and they want it that bad. And I feel like that's a good place to be, man. I mean, find some people that want your and they got hella money, dude. They'll they'll fund a lot of your for you. It's crazy. And that's and that's really the cool thing, you know, with like say like the condro or even like the emeralds or like the basins, like and that's part of the reason why like like I do hope that like the bows I picked up I can do something crazy with in the future, but if not, like I'm just going to enjoy them. Like they're just cool.

Same thing with like the bullsnakes. You It's like I have like two little. I can't pull those bastards out because they're fast as hell, but little the the little redsided garder snakes. I got those things from Bob. Yeah. Those are nice. They're just chilling in like a little display setup. I do a little pinky sashimi for them each week. And they just hang out, man. They're cool. Like they're enjoyable to look at. Like you can have just cool display animals. Like not everything needs to be a breeder. Not everything needs to be bred. Like there's plenty of room for just enjoy. Like that's what I think.

I think that's like kind of a problem to an extent and it's like I'm not trying to say there's a right or a wrong way to do stuff. But like some people get into the ball python reptile hobby with the intent of breeding the ball python or breeding the reptile or whatever. And it's like initially for me, like it started with just like Nigel Marvin, Jeff Corwin, Steve Irwin, like all those dudes, Julian Sylvester, like watching those dudes on Animal Planet and just genuinely enjoying the animal eventually until I, you know, tore my parents down enough to be able to get one.

Sad. It's sad to think not everyone was a part of that era though, you know, like like because we're we're old, dude. No, but that was that's like pre-Instagram, pre social media. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's sexy to be like a reptile keeper and like do all this stuff. I don't know. It's it's just like. But now we got people doing this full time who were born in 2003, 2004, you know? That's crazy. That's wild to think about. And they're booty popping and doing all this crazy [ __ ] Like you just don't know what to expect anymore with this new era, bro. It's. They're running wild. Um, but all right, Biggie, what you got?

Yeah, man. Uh, so, um, I got my last clutch of the season this weekend. Uh, I already put all my pairings into clutch. Uh, I have to ask you, man, what's that animal you have a shot at hitting in 26 that make uh, you know, makes you really, really excited. And so, I'm already pairing my my Ultramo hat Sunset to my double hat Sunset Ultra again. So, that's exciting. But outside of that, I'm really looking forward to taking a blackhead leopard ultramale double hat clown pod into like my group of females that I have to produce like ideally like a super blackhead ultramale clown with like leopard and you know, stuff like that in the mix. I think it's just going to be really pretty and it's going to be deep dark like rich tones like super blackheads are awesome. Like the super blackhead, the super chocolate, super hurricane, like all that stuff. That's like my like avenue for like that project. But my one animal that I'm really really hoping to hit this year is definitely going to be like a super blackhead leopard ultramale clown. Like I I really want to make it.

That's that's awesome. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Can't wait to see it. Um, like I'm I'm really excited about the going forward. I want to start uh I want to go for a super blackhead uh maybe Ultram Pides or or maybe was Sunset or something like that that uh I saw a Super Blackhead Pi that um I think a hardwired hit just he posted. Man, that that's a reminder that we. That's my avenue that's my avenue for Pi. That's it. Like that and like confusion pi stuff. Hey, that's a beautiful animal, man. Yeah, Super blackhead pides. That's like that's like the only way that I like super blackhead, super mahogany, you know, one of those kind of thing for pides, you know? Yeah. Change the color up. That's going to be the the path. Hell yeah. Yeah. I Anything super blackhead, man, is ideal for me. Um, that's a powerful project right there in itself. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes with that.

But what a great episode, man. We got these round two hot seat questions for you. Mine are quick. I'll go first and then we'll go with Alio after. But um, at this point right now, Brandon, do you think the higher end of the investment side of the ball python game is going to change? Do you think less people are going to be spending money in the next few years or you think that's going to increase? I mean, I don't necessarily think that that is so much going to change because there's always going to be people that desire to get that animal when it first comes out, whenever the top of like the project is available. I mean, and it and it and sometimes it just matters on opportunity. You know, some people are in a better situation where they can afford, you know, to spend that money. Like, I couldn't go buy an Ultram Sunset right now. It's like you're out of your mind if I'm paying like that just because I don't have like that to be like, "Okay, let me just go drop 15 20 grand on like a snake." Like that's just not how deep those pockets are. But I can buy the ingredients. And I feel like a lot of people are in that situation.

So if people are in the situation where they can afford to do that, you know, by all means knock themselves out. There's people that spend 50 70 whatever thousand dollars on like muscle cars from like the 70s. No problem. Yeah. It's just a matter of like what your interest is or what you like to have.

And with that being said, like there's people out there who got some crazy pockets that are interested in this hobby and that's growing. Like you got people who have other things they're really good at that like snakes and they're down. They're down to get in this man. I mean talking. We're talking about Gary Scavenino. Like dude, the friends that he knows, dude, serious stupid money. I'm talking stupid money, dude. And they love snakes and they get in, uh, whatever species they want. We're talking, you know, carpet pythons, gahhooas, condro, emerald. You know, people spend six figures on emeralds a year and they don't tell nobody about it. They just it's for their own personal enjoyment. We have a lot of that. So that's growing too. You know, not everyone wants to be on an Instagram and like look at me. Like no, dude. There's just people who have mad money and they love this. And those people fund a lot of breeders that are successful in this hobby. Dude, I'm starting to realize the successful breeders have like one or two of these clientele every year and they give them just because they breed what they want and they want it that bad. And I feel like that's a good place to be, man. I mean, find some people that want your and they got hella money, dude. They'll they'll fund a lot of your for you. It's crazy. And that's and that's really the cool thing, you know, with like say like the condro or even like the emeralds or like the basins, like and that's part of the reason why like like I do hope that like the bows I picked up I can do something crazy with in the future, but if not, like I'm just going to enjoy them. Like they're just cool.

Same thing with like the bullsnakes. You It's like I have like two little. I can't pull those bastards out because they're fast as hell, but little the the little redsided garder snakes. I got those things from Bob. Yeah. Those are nice. They're just chilling in like a little display setup. I do a little pinky sashimi for them each week. And they just hang out, man. They're cool. Like they're enjoyable to look at. Like you can have just cool display animals. Like not everything needs to be a breeder. Not everything needs to be bred. Like there's plenty of room for just enjoy. Like that's what I think.

I think that's like kind of a problem to an extent and it's like I'm not trying to say there's a right or a wrong way to do stuff. But like some people get into the ball python reptile hobby with the intent of breeding the ball python or breeding the reptile or whatever. And it's like initially for me, like it started with just like Nigel Marvin, Jeff Corwin, Steve Irwin, like all those dudes, Julian Sylvester, like watching those dudes on Animal Planet and just genuinely enjoying the animal eventually until I, you know, tore my parents down enough to be able to get one.

Sad. It's sad to think not everyone was a part of that era though, you know, like like because we're we're old, dude. No, but that was that's like pre-Instagram, pre social media. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's sexy to be like a reptile keeper and like do all this stuff. I don't know. It's it's just like. But now we got people doing this full time who were born in 2003, 2004, you know? That's crazy. That's wild to think about. And they're booty popping and doing all this crazy [ __ ] Like you just don't know what to expect anymore with this new era, bro. It's. They're running wild. Um, but all right, Biggie, what you got?

Yeah, man. Uh, so, um, I got my last clutch of the season this weekend. Uh, I already put all my pairings into clutch. Uh, I have to ask you, man, what's that animal you have a shot at hitting in 26 that make uh, you know, makes you really, really excited. And so, I'm already pairing my my Ultramo hat Sunset to my double hat Sunset Ultra again. So, that's exciting. But outside of that, I'm really looking forward to taking a blackhead leopard ultramale double hat clown pod into like my group of females that I have to produce like ideally like a super blackhead ultramale clown with like leopard and you know, stuff like that in the mix. I think it's just going to be really pretty and it's going to be deep dark like rich tones like super blackheads are awesome. Like the super blackhead, the super chocolate, super hurricane, like all that stuff. That's like my like avenue for like that project. But my one animal that I'm really really hoping to hit this year is definitely going to be like a super blackhead leopard ultramale clown. Like I I really want to make it.

That's that's awesome. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Can't wait to see it. Um, like I'm I'm really excited about the going forward. I want to start uh I want to go for a super blackhead uh maybe Ultram Pides or or maybe was Sunset or something like that that uh I saw a Super Blackhead Pi that um I think a hardwired hit just he posted. Man, that that's a reminder that we. That's my avenue that's my avenue for Pi. That's it. Like that and like confusion pi stuff. Hey, that's a beautiful animal, man. Yeah, Super blackhead pides. That's like that's like the only way that I like super blackhead, super mahogany, you know, one of those kind of thing for pides, you know? Yeah. Change the color up. That's going to be the the path. Hell yeah. Yeah. I Anything super blackhead, man, is ideal for me. Um, that's a powerful project right there in itself. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes with that.

But what a great episode, man. We got these round two hot seat questions for you. Mine are quick. I'll go first and then we'll go with Alio after. But um, at this point right now, Brandon, do you think the higher end of the investment side of the ball python game is going to change? Do you think less people are going to be spending money in the next few years or you think that's going to increase? I mean, I don't necessarily think that that is so much going to change because there's always going to be people that desire to get that animal when it first comes out, whenever the top of like the project is available. I mean, and it and it and sometimes it just matters on opportunity. You know, some people are in a better situation where they can afford, you know, to spend that money. Like, I couldn't go buy an Ultram Sunset right now. It's like you're out of your mind if I'm paying like that just because I don't have like that to be like, "Okay, let me just go drop 15 20 grand on like a snake." Like that's just not how deep those pockets are. But I can buy the ingredients. And I feel like a lot of people are in that situation.

So if people are in the situation where they can afford to do that, you know, by all means knock themselves out. There's people that spend 50 70 whatever thousand dollars on like muscle cars from like the 70s. No problem. Yeah. It's just a matter of like what your interest is or what you like to have.

And with that being said, like there's people out there who got some crazy pockets that are interested in this hobby and that's growing. Like you got people who have other things they're really good at that like snakes and they're down. They're down to get in this man. I mean talking. We're talking about Gary Scavenino. Like dude, the friends that he knows, dude, serious stupid money. I'm talking stupid money, dude. And they love snakes and they get in, uh, whatever species they want. We're talking, you know, carpet pythons, gahhooas, condro, emerald. You know, people spend six figures on emeralds a year and they don't tell nobody about it. They just it's for their own personal enjoyment. We have a lot of that. So that's growing too. You know, not everyone wants to be on an Instagram and like look at me. Like no, dude. There's just people who have mad money and they love this. And those people fund a lot of breeders that are successful in this hobby. Dude, I'm starting to realize the successful breeders have like one or two of these clientele every year and they give them just because they breed what they want and they want it that bad. And I feel like that's a good place to be, man. I mean, find some people that want your and they got hella money, dude. They'll they'll fund a lot of your for you. It's crazy. And that's and that's really the cool thing, you know, with like say like the condro or even like the emeralds or like the basins, like and that's part of the reason why like like I do hope that like the bows I picked up I can do something crazy with in the future, but if not, like I'm just going to enjoy them. Like they're just cool.

Same thing with like the bullsnakes. You It's like I have like two little. I can't pull those bastards out because they're fast as hell, but little the the little redsided garder snakes. I got those things from Bob. Yeah. Those are nice. They're just chilling in like a little display setup. I do a little pinky sashimi for them each week. And they just hang out, man. They're cool. Like they're enjoyable to look at. Like you can have just cool display animals. Like not everything needs to be a breeder. Not everything needs to be bred. Like there's plenty of room for just enjoy. Like that's what I think.

I think that's like kind of a problem to an extent and it's like I'm not trying to say there's a right or a wrong way to do stuff. But like some people get into the ball python reptile hobby with the intent of breeding the ball python or breeding the reptile or whatever. And it's like initially for me, like it started with just like Nigel Marvin, Jeff Corwin, Steve Irwin, like all those dudes, Julian Sylvester, like watching those dudes on Animal Planet and just genuinely enjoying the animal eventually until I, you know, tore my parents down enough to be able to get one.

Sad. It's sad to think not everyone was a part of that era though, you know, like like because we're we're old, dude. No, but that was that's like pre-Instagram, pre social media. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's sexy to be like a reptile keeper and like do all this stuff. I don't know. It's it's just like. But now we got people doing this full time who were born in 2003, 2004, you know? That's crazy. That's wild to think about. And they're booty popping and doing all this crazy [ __ ] Like you just don't know what to expect anymore with this new era, bro. It's. They're running wild. Um, but all right, Biggie, what you got?

Yeah, man. Uh, so, um, I got my last clutch of the season this weekend. Uh, I already put all my pairings into clutch. Uh, I have to ask you, man, what's that animal you have a shot at hitting in 26 that make uh, you know, makes you really, really excited. And so, I'm already pairing my my Ultramo hat Sunset to my double hat Sunset Ultra again. So, that's exciting. But outside of that, I'm really looking forward to taking a blackhead leopard ultramale double hat clown pod into like my group of females that I have to produce like ideally like a super blackhead ultramale clown with like leopard and you know, stuff like that in the mix. I think it's just going to be really pretty and it's going to be deep dark like rich tones like super blackheads are awesome. Like the super blackhead, the super chocolate, super hurricane, like all that stuff. That's like my like avenue for like that project. But my one animal that I'm really really hoping to hit this year is definitely going to be like a super blackhead leopard ultramale clown. Like I I really want to make it.

That's that's awesome. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Can't wait to see it. Um, like I'm I'm really excited about the going forward. I want to start uh I want to go for a super blackhead uh maybe Ultram Pides or or maybe was Sunset or something like that that uh I saw a Super Blackhead Pi that um I think a hardwired hit just he posted. Man, that that's a reminder that we. That's my avenue that's my avenue for Pi. That's it. Like that and like confusion pi stuff. Hey, that's a beautiful animal, man. Yeah, Super blackhead pides. That's like that's like the only way that I like super blackhead, super mahogany, you know, one of those kind of thing for pides, you know? Yeah. Change the color up. That's going to be the the path. Hell yeah. Yeah. I Anything super blackhead, man, is ideal for me. Um, that's a powerful project right there in itself. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes with that.

But what a great episode, man. We got these round two hot seat questions for you. Mine are quick. I'll go first and then we'll go with Alio after. But um, at this point right now, Brandon, do you think the higher end of the investment side of the ball python game is going to change? Do you think less people are going to be spending money in the next few years or you think that's going to increase? I mean, I don't necessarily think that that is so much going to change because there's always going to be people that desire to get that animal when it first comes out, whenever the top of like the project is available. I mean, and it and it and sometimes it just matters on opportunity. You know, some people are in a better situation where they can afford, you know, to spend that money. Like, I couldn't go buy an Ultram Sunset right now. It's like you're out of your mind if I'm paying like that just because I don't have like that to be like, "Okay, let me just go drop 15 20 grand on like a snake." Like that's just not how deep those pockets are. But I can buy the ingredients. And I feel like a lot of people are in that situation.

So if people are in the situation where they can afford to do that, you know, by all means knock themselves out. There's people that spend 50 70 whatever thousand dollars on like muscle cars from like the 70s. No problem. Yeah. It's just a matter of like what your interest is or what you like to have.

And with that being said, like there's people out there who got some crazy pockets that are interested in this hobby and that's growing. Like you got people who have other things they're really good at that like snakes and they're down. They're down to get in this man. I mean talking. We're talking about Gary Scavenino. Like dude, the friends that he knows, dude, serious stupid money. I'm talking stupid money, dude. And they love snakes and they get in, uh, whatever species they want. We're talking, you know, carpet pythons, gahhooas, condro, emerald. You know, people spend six figures on emeralds a year and they don't tell nobody about it. They just it's for their own personal enjoyment. We have a lot of that. So that's growing too. You know, not everyone wants to be on an Instagram and like look at me. Like no, dude. There's just people who have mad money and they love this. And those people fund a lot of breeders that are successful in this hobby. Dude, I'm starting to realize the successful breeders have like one or two of these clientele every year and they give them just because they breed what they want and they want it that bad. And I feel like that's a good place to be, man. I mean, find some people that want your and they got hella money, dude. They'll they'll fund a lot of your for you. It's crazy. And that's and that's really the cool thing, you know, with like say like the condro or even like the emeralds or like the basins, like and that's part of the reason why like like I do hope that like the bows I picked up I can do something crazy with in the future, but if not, like I'm just going to enjoy them. Like they're just cool.

Same thing with like the bullsnakes. You It's like I have like two little. I can't pull those bastards out because they're fast as hell, but little the the little redsided garder snakes. I got those things from Bob. Yeah. Those are nice. They're just chilling in like a little display setup. I do a little pinky sashimi for them each week. And they just hang out, man. They're cool. Like they're enjoyable to look at. Like you can have just cool display animals. Like not everything needs to be a breeder. Not everything needs to be bred. Like there's plenty of room for just enjoy. Like that's what I think.

I think that's like kind of a problem to an extent and it's like I'm not trying to say there's a right or a wrong way to do stuff. But like some people get into the ball python reptile hobby with the intent of breeding the ball python or breeding the reptile or whatever. And it's like initially for me, like it started with just like Nigel Marvin, Jeff Corwin, Steve Irwin, like all those dudes, Julian Sylvester, like watching those dudes on Animal Planet and just genuinely enjoying the animal eventually until I, you know, tore my parents down enough to be able to get one.

Sad. It's sad to think not everyone was a part of that era though, you know, like like because we're we're old, dude. No, but that was that's like pre-Instagram, pre social media. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's sexy to be like a reptile keeper and like do all this stuff. I don't know. It's it's just like. But now we got people doing this full time who were born in 2003, 2004, you know? That's crazy. That's wild to think about. And they're booty popping and doing all this crazy [ __ ] Like you just don't know what to expect anymore with this new era, bro. It's. They're running wild. Um, but all right, Biggie, what you got?

Yeah, man. Uh, so, um, I got my last clutch of the season this weekend. Uh, I already put all my pairings into clutch. Uh, I have to ask you, man, what's that animal you have a shot at hitting in 26 that make uh, you know, makes you really, really excited. And so, I'm already pairing my my Ultramo hat Sunset to my double hat Sunset Ultra again. So, that's exciting. But outside of that, I'm really looking forward to taking a blackhead leopard ultramale double hat clown pod into like my group of females that I have to produce like ideally like a super blackhead ultramale clown with like leopard and you know, stuff like that in the mix. I think it's just going to be really pretty and it's going to be deep dark like rich tones like super blackheads are awesome. Like the super blackhead, the super chocolate, super hurricane, like all that stuff. That's like my like avenue for like that project. But my one animal that I'm really really hoping to hit this year is definitely going to be like a super blackhead leopard ultramale clown. Like I I really want to make it.

That's that's awesome. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Can't wait to see it. Um, like I'm I'm really excited about the going forward. I want to start uh I want to go for a super blackhead uh maybe Ultram Pides or or maybe was Sunset or something like that that uh I saw a Super Blackhead Pi that um I think a hardwired hit just he posted. Man, that that's a reminder that we. That's my avenue that's my avenue for Pi. That's it. Like that and like confusion pi stuff. Hey, that's a beautiful animal, man. Yeah, Super blackhead pides. That's like that's like the only way that I like super blackhead, super mahogany, you know, one of those kind of thing for pides, you know? Yeah. Change the color up. That's going to be the the path. Hell yeah. Yeah. I Anything super blackhead, man, is ideal for me. Um, that's a powerful project right there in itself. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes with that.

But what a great episode, man. We got these round two hot seat questions for you. Mine are quick. I'll go first and then we'll go with Alio after. But um, at this point right now, Brandon, do you think the higher end of the investment side of the ball python game is going to change? Do you think less people are going to be spending money in the next few years or you think that's going to increase? I mean, I don't necessarily think that that is so much going to change because there's always going to be people that desire to get that animal when it first comes out, whenever the top of like the project is available. I mean, and it and it and sometimes it just matters on opportunity. You know, some people are in a better situation where they can afford, you know, to spend that money. Like, I couldn't go buy an Ultram Sunset right now. It's like you're out of your mind if I'm paying like that just because I don't have like that to be like, "Okay, let me just go drop 15 20 grand on like a snake." Like that's just not how deep those pockets are. But I can buy the ingredients. And I feel like a lot of people are in that situation.

So if people are in the situation where they can afford to do that, you know, by all means knock themselves out. There's people that spend 50 70 whatever thousand dollars on like muscle cars from like the 70s. No problem. Yeah. It's just a matter of like what your interest is or what you like to have.

And with that being said, like there's people out there who got some crazy pockets that are interested in this hobby and that's growing. Like you got people who have other things they're really good at that like snakes and they're down. They're down to get in this man. I mean talking. We're talking about Gary Scavenino. Like dude, the friends that he knows, dude, serious stupid money. I'm talking stupid money, dude. And they love snakes and they get in, uh, whatever species they want. We're talking, you know, carpet pythons, gahhooas, condro, emerald. You know, people spend six figures on emeralds a year and they don't tell nobody about it. They just it's for their own personal enjoyment. We have a lot of that. So that's growing too. You know, not everyone wants to be on an Instagram and like look at me. Like no, dude. There's just people who have mad money and they love this. And those people fund a lot of breeders that are successful in this hobby. Dude, I'm starting to realize the successful breeders have like one or two of these clientele every year and they give them just because they breed what they want and they want it that bad. And I feel like that's a good place to be, man. I mean, find some people that want your and they got hella money, dude. They'll they'll fund a lot of your for you. It's crazy. And that's and that's really the cool thing, you know, with like say like the condro or even like the emeralds or like the basins, like and that's part of the reason why like like I do hope that like the bows I picked up I can do something crazy with in the future, but if not, like I'm just going to enjoy them. Like they're just cool.

Same thing with like the bullsnakes. You It's like I have like two little. I can't pull those bastards out because they're fast as hell, but little the the little redsided garder snakes. I got those things from Bob. Yeah. Those are nice. They're just chilling in like a little display setup. I do a little pinky sashimi for them each week. And they just hang out, man. They're cool. Like they're enjoyable to look at. Like you can have just cool display animals. Like not everything needs to be a breeder. Not everything needs to be bred. Like there's plenty of room for just enjoy. Like that's what I think.

I think that's like kind of a problem to an extent and it's like I'm not trying to say there's a right or a wrong way to do stuff. But like some people get into the ball python reptile hobby with the intent of breeding the ball python or breeding the reptile or whatever. And it's like initially for me, like it started with just like Nigel Marvin, Jeff Corwin, Steve Irwin, like all those dudes, Julian Sylvester, like watching those dudes on Animal Planet and just genuinely enjoying the animal eventually until I, you know, tore my parents down enough to be able to get one.

Sad. It's sad to think not everyone was a part of that era though, you know, like like because we're we're old, dude. No, but that was that's like pre-Instagram, pre social media. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's sexy to be like a reptile keeper and like do all this stuff. I don't know. It's it's just like. But now we got people doing this full time who were born in 2003, 2004, you know? That's crazy. That's wild to think about. And they're booty popping and doing all this crazy [ __ ] Like you just don't know what to expect anymore with this new era, bro. It's. They're running wild. Um, but all right, Biggie, what you got?

Yeah, man. Uh, so, um, I got my last clutch of the season this weekend. Uh, I already put all my pairings into clutch. Uh, I have to ask you, man, what's that animal you have a shot at hitting in 26 that make uh, you know, makes you really, really excited. And so, I'm already pairing my my Ultramo hat Sunset to my double hat Sunset Ultra again. So, that's exciting. But outside of that, I'm really looking forward to taking a blackhead leopard ultramale double hat clown pod into like my group of females that I have to produce like ideally like a super blackhead ultramale clown with like leopard and you know, stuff like that in the mix. I think it's just going to be really pretty and it's going to be deep dark like rich tones like super blackheads are awesome. Like the super blackhead, the super chocolate, super hurricane, like all that stuff. That's like my like avenue for like that project. But my one animal that I'm really really hoping to hit this year is definitely going to be like a super blackhead leopard ultramale clown. Like I I really want to make it.

That's that's awesome. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Can't wait to see it. Um, like I'm I'm really excited about the going forward. I want to start uh I want to go for a super blackhead uh maybe Ultram Pides or or maybe was Sunset or something like that that uh I saw a Super Blackhead Pi that um I think a hardwired hit just he posted. Man, that that's a reminder that we. That's my avenue that's my avenue for Pi. That's it. Like that and like confusion pi stuff. Hey, that's a beautiful animal, man. Yeah, Super blackhead pides. That's like that's like the only way that I like super blackhead, super mahogany, you know, one of those kind of thing for pides, you know? Yeah. Change the color up. That's going to be the the path. Hell yeah. Yeah. I Anything super blackhead, man, is ideal for me. Um, that's a powerful project right there in itself. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes with that.

But what a great episode, man. We got these round two hot seat questions for you. Mine are quick. I'll go first and then we'll go with Alio after. But um, at this point right now, Brandon, do you think the higher end of the investment side of the ball python game is going to change? Do you think less people are going to be spending money in the next few years or you think that's going to increase? I mean, I don't necessarily think that that is so much going to change because there's always going to be people that desire to get that animal when it first comes out, whenever the top of like the project is available. I mean, and it and it and sometimes it just matters on opportunity. You know, some people are in a better situation where they can afford, you know, to spend that money. Like, I couldn't go buy an Ultram Sunset right now. It's like you're out of your mind if I'm paying like that just because I don't have like that to be like, "Okay, let me just go drop 15 20 grand on like a snake." Like that's just not how deep those pockets are. But I can buy the ingredients. And I feel like a lot of people are in that situation.

So if people are in the situation where they can afford to do that, you know, by all means knock themselves out. There's people that spend 50 70 whatever thousand dollars on like muscle cars from like the 70s. No problem. Yeah. It's just a matter of like what your interest is or what you like to have.

And with that being said, like there's people out there who got some crazy pockets that are interested in this hobby and that's growing. Like you got people who have other things they're really good at that like snakes and they're down. They're down to get in this man. I mean talking. We're talking about Gary Scavenino. Like dude, the friends that he knows, dude, serious stupid money. I'm talking stupid money, dude. And they love snakes and they get in, uh, whatever species they want. We're talking, you know, carpet pythons, gahhooas, condro, emerald. You know, people spend six figures on emeralds a year and they don't tell nobody about it. They just it's for their own personal enjoyment. We have a lot of that. So that's growing too. You know, not everyone wants to be on an Instagram and like look at me. Like no, dude. There's just people who have mad money and they love this. And those people fund a lot of breeders that are successful in this hobby. Dude, I'm starting to realize the successful breeders have like one or two of these clientele every year and they give them just because they breed what they want and they want it that bad. And I feel like that's a good place to be, man. I mean, find some people that want your and they got hella money, dude. They'll they'll fund a lot of your for you. It's crazy. And that's and that's really the cool thing, you know, with like say like the condro or even like the emeralds or like the basins, like and that's part of the reason why like like I do hope that like the bows I picked up I can do something crazy with in the future, but if not, like I'm just going to enjoy them. Like they're just cool.

Same thing with like the bullsnakes. You It's like I have like two little. I can't pull those bastards out because they're fast as hell, but little the the little redsided garder snakes. I got those things from Bob. Yeah. Those are nice. They're just chilling in like a little display setup. I do a little pinky sashimi for them each week. And they just hang out, man. They're cool. Like they're enjoyable to look at. Like you can have just cool display animals. Like not everything needs to be a breeder. Not everything needs to be bred. Like there's plenty of room for just enjoy. Like that's what I think.

I think that's like kind of a problem to an extent and it's like I'm not trying to say there's a right or a wrong way to do stuff. But like some people get into the ball python reptile hobby with the intent of breeding the ball python or breeding the reptile or whatever. And it's like initially for me, like it started with just like Nigel Marvin, Jeff Corwin, Steve Irwin, like all those dudes, Julian Sylvester, like watching those dudes on Animal Planet and just genuinely enjoying the animal eventually until I, you know, tore my parents down enough to be able to get one.

Sad. It's sad to think not everyone was a part of that era though, you know, like like because we're we're old, dude. No, but that was that's like pre-Instagram, pre social media. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's sexy to be like a reptile keeper and like do all this stuff. I don't know. It's it's just like. But now we got people doing this full time who were born in 2003, 2004, you know? That's crazy. That's wild to think about. And they're booty popping and doing all this crazy [ __ ] Like you just don't know what to expect anymore with this new era, bro. It's. They're running wild. Um, but all right, Biggie, what you got?

Yeah, man. Uh, so, um, I got my last clutch of the season this weekend. Uh, I already put all my pairings into clutch. Uh, I have to ask you, man, what's that animal you have a shot at hitting in 26 that make uh, you know, makes you really, really excited. And so, I'm already pairing my my Ultramo hat Sunset to my double hat Sunset Ultra again. So, that's exciting. But outside of that, I'm really looking forward to taking a blackhead leopard ultramale double hat clown pod into like my group of females that I have to produce like ideally like a super blackhead ultramale clown with like leopard and you know, stuff like that in the mix. I think it's just going to be really pretty and it's going to be deep dark like rich tones like super blackheads are awesome. Like the super blackhead, the super chocolate, super hurricane, like all that stuff. That's like my like avenue for like that project. But my one animal that I'm really really hoping to hit this year is definitely going to be like a super blackhead leopard ultramale clown. Like I I really want to make it.

That's that's awesome. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Can't wait to see it. Um, like I'm I'm really excited about the going forward. I want to start uh I want to go for a super blackhead uh maybe Ultram Pides or or maybe was Sunset or something like that that uh I saw a Super Blackhead Pi that um I think a hardwired hit just he posted. Man, that that's a reminder that we. That's my avenue that's my avenue for Pi. That's it. Like that and like confusion pi stuff. Hey, that's a beautiful animal, man. Yeah, Super blackhead pides. That's like that's like the only way that I like super blackhead, super mahogany, you know, one of those kind of thing for pides, you know? Yeah. Change the color up. That's going to be the the path. Hell yeah. Yeah. I Anything super blackhead, man, is ideal for me. Um, that's a powerful project right there in itself. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes with that.

But what a great episode, man. We got these round two hot seat questions for you. Mine are quick. I'll go first and then we'll go with Alio after. But um, at this point right now, Brandon, do you think the higher end of the investment side of the ball python game is going to change? Do you think less people are going to be spending money in the next few years or you think that's going to increase? I mean, I don't necessarily think that that is so much going to change because there's always going to be people that desire to get that animal when it first comes out, whenever the top of like the project is available. I mean, and it and it and sometimes it just matters on opportunity. You know, some people are in a better situation where they can afford, you know, to spend that money. Like, I couldn't go buy an Ultram Sunset right now. It's like you're out of your mind if I'm paying like that just because I don't have like that to be like, "Okay, let me just go drop 15 20 grand on like a snake." Like that's just not how deep those pockets are. But I can buy the ingredients. And I feel like a lot of people are in that situation.

So if people are in the situation where they can afford to do that, you know, by all means knock themselves out. There's people that spend 50 70 whatever thousand dollars on like muscle cars from like the 70s. No problem. Yeah. It's just a matter of like what your interest is or what you like to have.

And with that being said, like there's people out there who got some crazy pockets that are interested in this hobby and that's growing. Like you got people who have other things they're really good at that like snakes and they're down. They're down to get in this man. I mean talking. We're talking about Gary Scavenino. Like dude, the friends that he knows, dude, serious stupid money. I'm talking stupid money, dude. And they love snakes and they get in, uh, whatever species they want. We're talking, you know, carpet pythons, gahhooas, condro, emerald. You know, people spend six figures on emeralds a year and they don't tell nobody about it. They just it's for their own personal enjoyment. We have a lot of that. So that's growing too. You know, not everyone wants to be on an Instagram and like look at me. Like no, dude. There's just people who have mad money and they love this. And those people fund a lot of breeders that are successful in this hobby. Dude, I'm starting to realize the successful breeders have like one or two of these clientele every year and they give them just because they breed what they want and they want it that bad. And I feel like that's a good place to be, man. I mean, find some people that want your and they got hella money, dude. They'll they'll fund a lot of your for you. It's crazy. And that's and that's really the cool thing, you know, with like say like the condro or even like the emeralds or like the basins, like and that's part of the reason why like like I do hope that like the bows I picked up I can do something crazy with in the future, but if not, like I'm just going to enjoy them. Like they're just cool.

Same thing with like the bullsnakes. You It's like I have like two little. I can't pull those bastards out because they're fast as hell, but little the the little redsided garder snakes. I got those things from Bob. Yeah. Those are nice. They're just chilling in like a little display setup. I do a little pinky sashimi for them each week. And they just hang out, man. They're cool. Like they're enjoyable to look at. Like you can have just cool display animals. Like not everything needs to be a breeder. Not everything needs to be bred. Like there's plenty of room for just enjoy. Like that's what I think.

I think that's like kind of a problem to an extent and it's like I'm not trying to say there's a right or a wrong way to do stuff. But like some people get into the ball python reptile hobby with the intent of breeding the ball python or breeding the reptile or whatever. And it's like initially for me, like it started with just like Nigel Marvin, Jeff Corwin, Steve Irwin, like all those dudes, Julian Sylvester, like watching those dudes on Animal Planet and just genuinely enjoying the animal eventually until I, you know, tore my parents down enough to be able to get one.

Sad. It's sad to think not everyone was a part of that era though, you know, like like because we're we're old, dude. No, but that was that's like pre-Instagram, pre social media. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's sexy to be like a reptile keeper and like do all this stuff. I don't know. It's it's just like. But now we got people doing this full time who were born in 2003, 2004, you know? That's crazy. That's wild to think about. And they're booty popping and doing all this crazy [ __ ] Like you just don't know what to expect anymore with this new era, bro. It's. They're running wild. Um, but all right, Biggie, what you got?

Yeah, man. Uh, so, um, I got my last clutch of the season this weekend. Uh, I already put all my pairings into clutch. Uh, I have to ask you, man, what's that animal you have a shot at hitting in 26 that make uh, you know, makes you really, really excited. And so, I'm already pairing my my Ultramo hat Sunset to my double hat Sunset Ultra again. So, that's exciting. But outside of that, I'm really looking forward to taking a blackhead leopard ultramale double hat clown pod into like my group of females that I have to produce like ideally like a super blackhead ultramale clown with like leopard and you know, stuff like that in the mix. I think it's just going to be really pretty and it's going to be deep dark like rich tones like super blackheads are awesome. Like the super blackhead, the super chocolate, super hurricane, like all that stuff. That's like my like avenue for like that project. But my one animal that I'm really really hoping to hit this year is definitely going to be like a super blackhead leopard ultramale clown. Like I I really want to make it.

That's that's awesome. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Can't wait to see it. Um, like I'm I'm really excited about the going forward. I want to start uh I want to go for a super blackhead uh maybe Ultram Pides or or maybe was Sunset or something like that that uh I saw a Super Blackhead Pi that um I think a hardwired hit just he posted. Man, that that's a reminder that we. That's my avenue that's my avenue for Pi. That's it. Like that and like confusion pi stuff. Hey, that's a beautiful animal, man. Yeah, Super blackhead pides. That's like that's like the only way that I like super blackhead, super mahogany, you know, one of those kind of thing for pides, you know? Yeah. Change the color up. That's going to be the the path. Hell yeah. Yeah. I Anything super blackhead, man, is ideal for me. Um, that's a powerful project right there in itself. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes with that.

But what a great episode, man. We got these round two hot seat questions for you. Mine are quick. I'll go first and then we'll go with Alio after. But um, at this point right now, Brandon, do you think the higher end of the investment side of the ball python game is going to change? Do you think less people are going to be spending money in the next few years or you think that's going to increase? I mean, I don't necessarily think that that is so much going to change because there's always going to be people that desire to get that animal when it first comes out, whenever the top of like the project is available. I mean, and it and it and sometimes it just matters on opportunity. You know, some people are in a better situation where they can afford, you know, to spend that money. Like, I couldn't go buy an Ultram Sunset right now. It's like you're out of your mind if I'm paying like that just because I don't have like that to be like, "Okay, let me just go drop 15 20 grand on like a snake." Like that's just not how deep those pockets are. But I can buy the ingredients. And I feel like a lot of people are in that situation.

So if people are in the situation where they can afford to do that, you know, by all means knock themselves out. There's people that spend 50 70 whatever thousand dollars on like muscle cars from like the 70s. No problem. Yeah. It's just a matter of like what your interest is or what you like to have.

And with that being said, like there's people out there who got some crazy pockets that are interested in this hobby and that's growing. Like you got people who have other things they're really good at that like snakes and they're down. They're down to get in this man. I mean talking. We're talking about Gary Scavenino. Like dude, the friends that he knows, dude, serious stupid money. I'm talking stupid money, dude. And they love snakes and they get in, uh, whatever species they want. We're talking, you know, carpet pythons, gahhooas, condro, emerald. You know, people spend six figures on emeralds a year and they don't tell nobody about it. They just it's for their own personal enjoyment. We have a lot of that. So that's growing too. You know, not everyone wants to be on an Instagram and like look at me. Like no, dude. There's just people who have mad money and they love this. And those people fund a lot of breeders that are successful in this hobby. Dude, I'm starting to realize the successful breeders have like one or two of these clientele every year and they give them just because they breed what they want and they want it that bad. And I feel like that's a good place to be, man. I mean, find some people that want your and they got hella money, dude. They'll they'll fund a lot of your for you. It's crazy. And that's and that's really the cool thing, you know, with like say like the condro or even like the emeralds or like the basins, like and that's part of the reason why like like I do hope that like the bows I picked up I can do something crazy with in the future, but if not, like I'm just going to enjoy them. Like they're just cool.

Same thing with like the bullsnakes. You It's like I have like two little. I can't pull those bastards out because they're fast as hell, but little the the little redsided garder snakes. I got those things from Bob. Yeah. Those are nice. They're just chilling in like a little display setup. I do a little pinky sashimi for them each week. And they just hang out, man. They're cool. Like they're enjoyable to look at. Like you can have just cool display animals. Like not everything needs to be a breeder. Not everything needs to be bred. Like there's plenty of room for just enjoy. Like that's what I think.

I think that's like kind of a problem to an extent and it's like I'm not trying to say there's a right or a wrong way to do stuff. But like some people get into the ball python reptile hobby with the intent of breeding the ball python or breeding the reptile or whatever. And it's like initially for me, like it started with just like Nigel Marvin, Jeff Corwin, Steve Irwin, like all those dudes, Julian Sylvester, like watching those dudes on Animal Planet and just genuinely enjoying the animal eventually until I, you know, tore my parents down enough to be able to get one.

Sad. It's sad to think not everyone was a part of that era though, you know, like like because we're we're old, dude. No, but that was that's like pre-Instagram, pre social media. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's sexy to be like a reptile keeper and like do all this stuff. I don't know. It's it's just like. But now we got people doing this full time who were born in 2003, 2004, you know? That's crazy. That's wild to think about. And they're booty popping and doing all this crazy [ __ ] Like you just don't know what to expect anymore with this new era, bro. It's. They're running wild. Um, but all right, Biggie, what you got?

Yeah, man. Uh, so, um, I got my last clutch of the season this weekend. Uh, I already put all my pairings into clutch. Uh, I have to ask you, man, what's that animal you have a shot at hitting in 26 that make uh, you know, makes you really, really excited. And so, I'm already pairing my my Ultramo hat Sunset to my double hat Sunset Ultra again. So, that's exciting. But outside of that, I'm really looking forward to taking a blackhead leopard ultramale double hat clown pod into like my group of females that I have to produce like ideally like a super blackhead ultramale clown with like leopard and you know, stuff like that in the mix. I think it's just going to be really pretty and it's going to be deep dark like rich tones like super blackheads are awesome. Like the super blackhead, the super chocolate, super hurricane, like all that stuff. That's like my like avenue for like that project. But my one animal that I'm really really hoping to hit this year is definitely going to be like a super blackhead leopard ultramale clown. Like I I really want to make it.

That's that's awesome. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Can't wait to see it. Um, like I'm I'm really excited about the going forward. I want to start uh I want to go for a super blackhead uh maybe Ultram Pides or or maybe was Sunset or something like that that uh I saw a Super Blackhead Pi that um I think a hardwired hit just he posted. Man, that that's a reminder that we. That's my avenue that's my avenue for Pi. That's it. Like that and like confusion pi stuff. Hey, that's a beautiful animal, man. Yeah, Super blackhead pides. That's like that's like the only way that I like super blackhead, super mahogany, you know, one of those kind of thing for pides, you know? Yeah. Change the color up. That's going to be the the path. Hell yeah. Yeah. I Anything super blackhead, man, is ideal for me. Um, that's a powerful project right there in itself. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes with that.

But what a great episode, man. We got these round two hot seat questions for you. Mine are quick. I'll go first and then we'll go with Alio after. But um, at this point right now, Brandon, do you think the higher end of the investment side of the ball python game is going to change? Do you think less people are going to be spending money in the next few years or you think that's going to increase? I mean, I don't necessarily think that that is so much going to change because there's always going to be people that desire to get that animal when it first comes out, whenever the top of like the project is available. I mean, and it and it and sometimes it just matters on opportunity. You know, some people are in a better situation where they can afford, you know, to spend that money. Like, I couldn't go buy an Ultram Sunset right now. It's like you're out of your mind if I'm paying like that just because I don't have like that to be like, "Okay, let me just go drop 15 20 grand on like a snake." Like that's just not how deep those pockets are. But I can buy the ingredients. And I feel like a lot of people are in that situation.

So if people are in the situation where they can afford to do that, you know, by all means knock themselves out. There's people that spend 50 70 whatever thousand dollars on like muscle cars from like the 70s. No problem. Yeah. It's just a matter of like what your interest is or what you like to have.

And with that being said, like there's people out there who got some crazy pockets that are interested in this hobby and that's growing. Like you got people who have other things they're really good at that like snakes and they're down. They're down to get in this man. I mean talking. We're talking about Gary Scavenino. Like dude, the friends that he knows, dude, serious stupid money. I'm talking stupid money, dude. And they love snakes and they get in, uh, whatever species they want. We're talking, you know, carpet pythons, gahhooas, condro, emerald. You know, people spend six figures on emeralds a year and they don't tell nobody about it. They just it's for their own personal enjoyment. We have a lot of that. So that's growing too. You know, not everyone wants to be on an Instagram and like look at me. Like no, dude. There's just people who have mad money and they love this. And those people fund a lot of breeders that are successful in this hobby. Dude, I'm starting to realize the successful breeders have like one or two of these clientele every year and they give them just because they breed what they want and they want it that bad. And I feel like that's a good place to be, man. I mean, find some people that want your and they got hella money, dude. They'll they'll fund a lot of your for you. It's crazy. And that's and that's really the cool thing, you know, with like say like the condro or even like the emeralds or like the basins, like and that's part of the reason why like like I do hope that like the bows I picked up I can do something crazy with in the future, but if not, like I'm just going to enjoy them. Like they're just cool.

Same thing with like the bullsnakes. You It's like I have like two little. I can't pull those bastards out because they're fast as hell, but little the the little redsided garder snakes. I got those things from Bob. Yeah. Those are nice. They're just chilling in like a little display setup. I do a little pinky sashimi for them each week. And they just hang out, man. They're cool. Like they're enjoyable to look at. Like you can have just cool display animals. Like not everything needs to be a breeder. Not everything needs to be bred. Like there's plenty of room for just enjoy. Like that's what I think.

I think that's like kind of a problem to an extent and it's like I'm not trying to say there's a right or a wrong way to do stuff. But like some people get into the ball python reptile hobby with the intent of breeding the ball python or breeding the reptile or whatever. And it's like initially for me, like it started with just like Nigel Marvin, Jeff Corwin, Steve Irwin, like all those dudes, Julian Sylvester, like watching those dudes on Animal Planet and just genuinely enjoying the animal eventually until I, you know, tore my parents down enough to be able to get one.

Sad. It's sad to think not everyone was a part of that era though, you know, like like because we're we're old, dude. No, but that was that's like pre-Instagram, pre social media. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's sexy to be like a reptile keeper and like do all this stuff. I don't know. It's it's just like. But now we got people doing this full time who were born in 2003, 2004, you know? That's crazy. That's wild to think about. And they're booty popping and doing all this crazy [ __ ] Like you just don't know what to expect anymore with this new era, bro. It's. They're running wild. Um, but all right, Biggie, what you got?

Yeah, man. Uh, so, um, I got my last clutch of the season this weekend. Uh, I already put all my pairings into clutch. Uh, I have to ask you, man, what's that animal you have a shot at hitting in 26 that make uh, you know, makes you really, really excited. And so, I'm already pairing my my Ultramo hat Sunset to my double hat Sunset Ultra again. So, that's exciting. But outside of that, I'm really looking forward to taking a blackhead leopard ultramale double hat clown pod into like my group of females that I have to produce like ideally like a super blackhead ultramale clown with like leopard and you know, stuff like that in the mix. I think it's just going to be really pretty and it's going to be deep dark like rich tones like super blackheads are awesome. Like the super blackhead, the super chocolate, super hurricane, like all that stuff. That's like my like avenue for like that project. But my one animal that I'm really really hoping to hit this year is definitely going to be like a super blackhead leopard ultramale clown. Like I I really want to make it.

That's that's awesome. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Can't wait to see it. Um, like I'm I'm really excited about the going forward. I want to start uh I want to go for a super blackhead uh maybe Ultram Pides or or maybe was Sunset or something like that that uh I saw a Super Blackhead Pi that um I think a hardwired hit just he posted. Man, that that's a reminder that we. That's my avenue that's my avenue for Pi. That's it. Like that and like confusion pi stuff. Hey, that's a beautiful animal, man. Yeah, Super blackhead pides. That's like that's like the only way that I like super blackhead, super mahogany, you know, one of those kind of thing for pides, you know? Yeah. Change the color up. That's going to be the the path. Hell yeah. Yeah. I Anything super blackhead, man, is ideal for me. Um, that's a powerful project right there in itself. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes with that.

But what a great episode, man. We got these round two hot seat questions for you. Mine are quick. I'll go first and then we'll go with Alio after. But um, at this point right now, Brandon, do you think the higher end of the investment side of the ball python game is going to change? Do you think less people are going to be spending money in the next few years or you think that's going to increase? I mean, I don't necessarily think that that is so much going to change because there's always going to be people that desire to get that animal when it first comes out, whenever the top of like the project is available. I mean, and it and it and sometimes it just matters on opportunity. You know, some people are in a better situation where they can afford, you know, to spend that money. Like, I couldn't go buy an Ultram Sunset right now. It's like you're out of your mind if I'm paying like that just because I don't have like that to be like, "Okay, let me just go drop 15 20 grand on like a snake." Like that's just not how deep those pockets are. But I can buy the ingredients. And I feel like a lot of people are in that situation.

So if people are in the situation where they can afford to do that, you know, by all means knock themselves out. There's people that spend 50 70 whatever thousand dollars on like muscle cars from like the 70s. No problem. Yeah. It's just a matter of like what your interest is or what you like to have.

And with that being said, like there's people out there who got some crazy pockets that are interested in this hobby and that's growing. Like you got people who have other things they're really good at that like snakes and they're down. They're down to get in this man. I mean talking. We're talking about Gary Scavenino. Like dude, the friends that he knows, dude, serious stupid money. I'm talking stupid money, dude. And they love snakes and they get in, uh, whatever species they want. We're talking, you know, carpet pythons, gahhooas, condro, emerald. You know, people spend six figures on emeralds a year and they don't tell nobody about it. They just it's for their own personal enjoyment. We have a lot of that. So that's growing too. You know, not everyone wants to be on an Instagram and like look at me. Like no, dude. There's just people who have mad money and they love this. And those people fund a lot of breeders that are successful in this hobby. Dude, I'm starting to realize the successful breeders have like one or two of these clientele every year and they give them just because they breed what they want and they want it that bad. And I feel like that's a good place to be, man. I mean, find some people that want your and they got hella money, dude. They'll they'll fund a lot of your for you. It's crazy. And that's and that's really the cool thing, you know, with like say like the condro or even like the emeralds or like the basins, like and that's part of the reason why like like I do hope that like the bows I picked up I can do something crazy with in the future, but if not, like I'm just going to enjoy them. Like they're just cool.

Same thing with like the bullsnakes. You It's like I have like two little. I can't pull those bastards out because they're fast as hell, but little the the little redsided garder snakes. I got those things from Bob. Yeah. Those are nice. They're just chilling in like a little display setup. I do a little pinky sashimi for them each week. And they just hang out, man. They're cool. Like they're enjoyable to look at. Like you can have just cool display animals. Like not everything needs to be a breeder. Not everything needs to be bred. Like there's plenty of room for just enjoy. Like that's what I think.

I think that's like kind of a problem to an extent and it's like I'm not trying to say there's a right or a wrong way to do stuff. But like some people get into the ball python reptile hobby with the intent of breeding the ball python or breeding the reptile or whatever. And it's like initially for me, like it started with just like Nigel Marvin, Jeff Corwin, Steve Irwin, like all those dudes, Julian Sylvester, like watching those dudes on Animal Planet and just genuinely enjoying the animal eventually until I, you know, tore my parents down enough to be able to get one.

Sad. It's sad to think not everyone was a part of that era though, you know, like like because we're we're old, dude. No, but that was that's like pre-Instagram, pre social media. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's sexy to be like a reptile keeper and like do all this stuff. I don't know. It's it's just like. But now we got people doing this full time who were born in 2003, 2004, you know? That's crazy. That's wild to think about. And they're booty popping and doing all this crazy [ __ ] Like you just don't know what to expect anymore with this new era, bro. It's. They're running wild. Um, but all right, Biggie, what you got?

Yeah, man. Uh, so, um, I got my last clutch of the season this weekend. Uh, I already put all my pairings into clutch. Uh, I have to ask you, man, what's that animal you have a shot at hitting in 26 that make uh, you know, makes you really, really excited. And so, I'm already pairing my my Ultramo hat Sunset to my double hat Sunset Ultra again. So, that's exciting. But outside of that, I'm really looking forward to taking a blackhead leopard ultramale double hat clown pod into like my group of females that I have to produce like ideally like a super blackhead ultramale clown with like leopard and you know, stuff like that in the mix. I think it's just going to be really pretty and it's going to be deep dark like rich tones like super blackheads are awesome. Like the super blackhead, the super chocolate, super hurricane, like all that stuff. That's like my like avenue for like that project. But my one animal that I'm really really hoping to hit this year is definitely going to be like a super blackhead leopard ultramale clown. Like I I really want to make it.

That's that's awesome. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Can't wait to see it. Um, like I'm I'm really excited about the going forward. I want to start uh I want to go for a super blackhead uh maybe Ultram Pides or or maybe was Sunset or something like that that uh I saw a Super Blackhead Pi that um I think a hardwired hit just he posted. Man, that that's a reminder that we. That's my avenue that's my avenue for Pi. That's it. Like that and like confusion pi stuff. Hey, that's a beautiful animal, man. Yeah, Super blackhead pides. That's like that's like the only way that I like super blackhead, super mahogany, you know, one of those kind of thing for pides, you know? Yeah. Change the color up. That's going to be the the path. Hell yeah. Yeah. I Anything super blackhead, man, is ideal for me. Um, that's a powerful project right there in itself. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes with that.

But what a great episode, man. We got these round two hot seat questions for you. Mine are quick. I'll go first and then we'll go with Alio after. But um, at this point right now, Brandon, do you think the higher end of the investment side of the ball python game is going to change? Do you think less people are going to be spending money in the next few years or you think that's going to increase? I mean, I don't necessarily think that that is so much going to change because there's always going to be people that desire to get that animal when it first comes out, whenever the top of like the project is available. I mean, and it and it and sometimes it just matters on opportunity. You know, some people are in a better situation where they can afford, you know, to spend that money. Like, I couldn't go buy an Ultram Sunset right now. It's like you're out of your mind if I'm paying like that just because I don't have like that to be like, "Okay, let me just go drop 15 20 grand on like a snake." Like that's just not how deep those pockets are. But I can buy the ingredients. And I feel like a lot of people are in that situation.

So if people are in the situation where they can afford to do that, you know, by all means knock themselves out. There's people that spend 50 70 whatever thousand dollars on like muscle cars from like the 70s. No problem. Yeah. It's just a matter of like what your interest is or what you like to have.

And with that being said, like there's people out there who got some crazy pockets that are interested in this hobby and that's growing. Like you got people who have other things they're really good at that like snakes and they're down. They're down to get in this man. I mean talking. We're talking about Gary Scavenino. Like dude, the friends that he knows, dude, serious stupid money. I'm talking stupid money, dude. And they love snakes and they get in, uh, whatever species they want. We're talking, you know, carpet pythons, gahhooas, condro, emerald. You know, people spend six figures on emeralds a year and they don't tell nobody about it. They just it's for their own personal enjoyment. We have a lot of that. So that's growing too. You know, not everyone wants to be on an Instagram and like look at me. Like no, dude. There's just people who have mad money and they love this. And those people fund a lot of breeders that are successful in this hobby. Dude, I'm starting to realize the successful breeders have like one or two of these clientele every year and they give them just because they breed what they want and they want it that bad. And I feel like that's a good place to be, man. I mean, find some people that want your and they got hella money, dude. They'll they'll fund a lot of your for you. It's crazy. And that's and that's really the cool thing, you know, with like say like the condro or even like the emeralds or like the basins, like and that's part of the reason why like like I do hope that like the bows I picked up I can do something crazy with in the future, but if not, like I'm just going to enjoy them. Like they're just cool.

Same thing with like the bullsnakes. You It's like I have like two little. I can't pull those bastards out because they're fast as hell, but little the the little redsided garder snakes. I got those things from Bob. Yeah. Those are nice. They're just chilling in like a little display setup. I do a little pinky sashimi for them each week. And they just hang out, man. They're cool. Like they're enjoyable to look at. Like you can have just cool display animals. Like not everything needs to be a breeder. Not everything needs to be bred. Like there's plenty of room for just enjoy. Like that's what I think.

I think that's like kind of a problem to an extent and it's like I'm not trying to say there's a right or a wrong way to do stuff. But like some people get into the ball python reptile hobby with the intent of breeding the ball python or breeding the reptile or whatever. And it's like initially for me, like it started with just like Nigel Marvin, Jeff Corwin, Steve Irwin, like all those dudes, Julian Sylvester, like watching those dudes on Animal Planet and just genuinely enjoying the animal eventually until I, you know, tore my parents down enough to be able to get one.

Sad. It's sad to think not everyone was a part of that era though, you know, like like because we're we're old, dude. No, but that was that's like pre-Instagram, pre social media. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's sexy to be like a reptile keeper and like do all this stuff. I don't know. It's it's just like. But now we got people doing this full time who were born in 2003, 2004, you know? That's crazy. That's wild to think about. And they're booty popping and doing all this crazy [ __ ] Like you just don't know what to expect anymore with this new era, bro. It's. They're running wild. Um, but all right, Biggie, what you got?

Yeah, man. Uh, so, um, I got my last clutch of the season this weekend. Uh, I already put all my pairings into clutch. Uh, I have to ask you, man, what's that animal you have a shot at hitting in 26 that make uh, you know, makes you really, really excited. And so, I'm already pairing my my Ultramo hat Sunset to my double hat Sunset Ultra again. So, that's exciting. But outside of that, I'm really looking forward to taking a blackhead leopard ultramale double hat clown pod into like my group of females that I have to produce like ideally like a super blackhead ultramale clown with like leopard and you know, stuff like that in the mix. I think it's just going to be really pretty and it's going to be deep dark like rich tones like super blackheads are awesome. Like the super blackhead, the super chocolate, super hurricane, like all that stuff. That's like my like avenue for like that project. But my one animal that I'm really really hoping to hit this year is definitely going to be like a super blackhead leopard ultramale clown. Like I I really want to make it.

That's that's awesome. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Can't wait to see it. Um, like I'm I'm really excited about the going forward. I want to start uh I want to go for a super blackhead uh maybe Ultram Pides or or maybe was Sunset or something like that that uh I saw a Super Blackhead Pi that um I think a hardwired hit just he posted. Man, that that's a reminder that we. That's my avenue that's my avenue for Pi. That's it. Like that and like confusion pi stuff. Hey, that's a beautiful animal, man. Yeah, Super blackhead pides. That's like that's like the only way that I like super blackhead, super mahogany, you know, one of those kind of thing for pides, you know? Yeah. Change the color up. That's going to be the the path. Hell yeah. Yeah. I Anything super blackhead, man, is ideal for me. Um, that's a powerful project right there in itself. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes with that.

But what a great episode, man. We got these round two hot seat questions for you. Mine are quick. I'll go first and then we'll go with Alio after. But um, at this point right now, Brandon, do you think the higher end of the investment side of the ball python game is going to change? Do you think less people are going to be spending money in the next few years or you think that's going to increase? I mean, I don't necessarily think that that is so much going to change because there's always going to be people that desire to get that animal when it first comes out, whenever the top of like the project is available. I mean, and it and it and sometimes it just matters on opportunity. You know, some people are in a better situation where they can afford, you know, to spend that money. Like, I couldn't go buy an Ultram Sunset right now. It's like you're out of your mind if I'm paying like that just because I don't have like that to be like, "Okay, let me just go drop 15 20 grand on like a snake." Like that's just not how deep those pockets are. But I can buy the ingredients. And I feel like a lot of people are in that situation.

So if people are in the situation where they can afford to do that, you know, by all means knock themselves out. There's people that spend 50 70 whatever thousand dollars on like muscle cars from like the 70s. No problem. Yeah. It's just a matter of like what your interest is or what you like to have.

And with that being said, like there's people out there who got some crazy pockets that are interested in this hobby and that's growing. Like you got people who have other things they're really good at that like snakes and they're down. They're down to get in this man. I

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And again, man, checking on your loved ones, checking on yourself, because again, when when it comes to waking up out of bed when you're alone, who do you got? You only got yourself, dude. And maybe some people should be by themselves more. If you're struggling mentally, you got to learn how to be by yourself. Not easy to do. I used to struggle with that a lot, to be honest. It's cuz I used to hate myself. And also, hating yourself doesn't help your mental state either. Find ways to love yourself. Find ways to be happy with what you're doing in life because it's going to wear you out. This [ __ ] will wear you out faster than you believe. And I hate seeing it happening right now to certain people in the hobby, man. People are [ __ ] crashing out, losing their minds. Some people have it coming, but God bless them, dude. Honestly, I don't I don't wish I don't wish any bad case of mental ill illness on anyone. Um because it's [ __ ] up. It's it's it's not easy to get through. Some people don't get through it. Um but yeah, man. I I definitely uh encourage people to take care of themselves. Find a way to love yourself and uh yeah, man. Just reach out and and guys, if you see anyone out there who needs help and you love that person, for sure reach out to them, you know, look after them. Um cuz you only got one life, man. And you never know, bro. Life is life is a trip, bro. Life is crazy. But best time of life is happening right now. I love this place. Love the space. Love everything. The reptiles don't want no other life personally, man.

So, I want to say shout out to all the love and respect, man. I've had a lot of people who've been supporting what I've been doing and giving me mad props. Tiny was a good weekend, man. I will say other than the crazy [ __ ] that went down. I've I've never had such a a great positive response from people at Tinley this last weekend. Best Tinley in a long time, especially from March because we all know March, what was happening at March, right, with the whole uh you know, morph market getting [ __ ] on by other shipping companies because they started coming out with cheaper rates. So that time at Tinley at March was [ __ ] a way different vibe. And now that Morph Market has done what they said they were going to do and fulfilled it and continue to fulfill it. This Tinley in October, man, you should have saw the difference. It was amazing. It was cool. So I do want to say thank you to anyone who stopped by the Morph Market booth and gave mad love and respect to the entire team because we had the CFO who was there, Tracy was there, a couple other really cool awesome teammates were there. So yeah, shout out to anyone out there who's been standing behind Morph Market. man, we already know the real deal. We We know what Morph Market's here for. And uh yeah, big things to come for sure. So, thank you again for all the love and uh support, guys.

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