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We have, do we have, uh, Jonathan Keeperman Lomez? Can you hear us? Andrew, can you hear me?
I can hear you guys. How you doing?
You can hear him. Excellent. I can hear him. I can hear him. Great to have you. It's going to be a Blake Lomez. All right. Oh, man. We were, we were just saying, I don't know if you heard us, but we were really, we were really gushing about you, Jonathan, right before the end of the first hour. We were saying there's so many topics that we wanted to hit, but we wanted to hit them with the immortal Lomez. Uh, so we were thinking, uh, the first one to hit that would be very fun is, uh, this Hassan story, the shock jock, the shock jock we're calling him now. We heard for, you know, the past year, the left needed its own Joe Rogan, but it turns out that Hassan is just a shock jock.
Uh, let's see. We have, uh, this is all the video that people are reacting to. I've got a million different things here. I can help you with this. Let's do, uh, so this was happening during a stream. It's clip 84. Of all of America's much more consequential violence. Okay. It's the same reason as to why America. Ka, please just go. Just stop. Jesus Christ. What are you doing? You're being such a baby. It's just no. She doesn't want to come over here to see what's up. She just wants to roam the house because she got to roam the house when I was gone. And she needs to literally have the same structured regimented. I think this clip went to Trump's big baby desk immediately. I just, I hate everything. I just, I hate everything.
So, if it's not clear what was going on exactly there, it looks like his dog rushes over towards Hassan, and he reaches and he maybe hits something or clicks something, and the dog immediately bugs out. If you've had a dog, you know that greatly resembles if you have a shock collar, like to keep it from wandering off your house, which a lot of people have, you know, to discipline your dog. But he's just using it to invisible fence. To, yeah, the invisible fence, but he's just using it to punish the dog and, you know, make it freak out.
So, so my, and I, LZ, I think I can hear you now. Can you hear me? I can hear you. Okay, good. I just want to make sure we've got our, we got our tech working. Okay, here's my reaction to this instantly. If he's willing to do this to a dog, like, and and on, and use a shock collar to harm an innocent, like, dog, right, because he's annoyed that it walked over to him as a live stream prop. What is he willing to do in other contexts with maybe to humans that we know that Hassan has, has, uh, fantasized or at least described in gruesome detail harming conservatives? So this is a nasty person. Um, I oppose animal cruelty in all forms. I want to say that, and I want to call on our good friends at PETA, uh, to make an example out of Hassan. I think Hassan needs a visit, uh, from the good people at PETA. Uh, buckets of paint, whatever they want to do. This, I think, is a, a perfect opportunity for, for PETA to, uh, reassert themselves into the public conscious and sort of take care of this guy who clearly, uh, has no regard for animal life. And, you know, I, I mean this like truthfully. Uh, it's like, well known that, uh, children who become sort of, uh, psychopaths have violent ideation of various kinds, um, are well known to be, uh, uh, you know, torture animals in their youth. And I, I think we're seeing like a familiar pattern here. The disregard for the well-being of animals very easily passes over into a disregard for the well-being of of people. And so, Hassan, please, you know, you're going to need a visit from, uh, Pamela Anderson or whoever is, uh, coming on board from PETA.
I, I have to tell you guys something else this morning. I'm glad we're talking about this subject. I happen to be listening to NPR. Uh, you know, someone's got to pay attention to what these people are doing, okay? And I am nothing if not a good patriot. And so, I was, I was listening to NPR and there was a profile interview this morning on NPR and I kid you not, this is exact language. Hassan, the left's Charlie Kirk. Okay. So to add, or mean to add any additional insult. Are you kidding? Are you serious? I need to find this now. Are you serious? This is exactly why they do not deserve your tax dollars, people, because they employ people. They employ idiots. That would make. And by the way, I can't tell what comparison is more insulting. Uh, Mr. Keeperman. Yeah. Yeah. Charlie Kirk and George Floyd, or Charlie Kirk and Hassan? You know, at least Charlie and George Floyd were born on the same day. Did you know that? No, I did not. They have the same birthday. Absolutely mind-blowing coincidence. That is shocking. Well, at least there are some obvious things that you could connect a few dots. Hassan, there's nothing obvious about this. And we actually wanted to hit this story because Charlie and Hassan had a debate scheduled that will never happen. At, was it Dartmouth? Was it at your Dartmouth? Yeah, it was at Dartmouth. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, we, we were prepping for that. We were getting ready and kind of diving into, you know, some of his ideas, if you could call them that. I think they're just pure, like, animal instincts, pun intended. So, yeah. I mean, I, I, that's really infur. What? Okay, let's just play this out. What did they say? I mean, they didn't really have an argument. It all boils down to the fact that, you know, uh, speaks to an audience of young people on the left. And their only way to sort of like understand comparisons in this regard is who is your audience, uh, rather than what you do or what you promote or the ideas that are animating your, you know, public activism. And I mean, like, either with Floyd or with, it does kind of make sense. I mean, the left is offering up a kind of valorization and promotion and celebration of degeneracy and weakness and frailty. And Hassan, yes, he's got like a big Twitch show, but his life consists of, and this is his own words, seven hours a day, seven days a week, uh, in that room, uh, shocking his dog apparently, and, you know, uh, spouting off on Twitch on a gamer stream. Nothing wrong with gaming. I, I love gaming. I'm a gamer myself. Um, whereas Charlie, of course, at the age of 31, has built this massive, uh, enterprise that consists of not just a show, not just the talking, but, you know, uh, you guys have employed hundreds of people, all motivated to do good at TP Action, TP USA, etc. So, there's just an obvious difference between the caliber of person here.
Well, and it's such an important. Yeah, that's the key difference. Charlie had a show, but the show was maybe one/fourth of what he did because he was, he, he was the ultimate grass toucher. He actually went out. He met the people on campus, thousands upon thousands of people. He got involved in the admin, the staffing of the admin, that grind work. He spent two months basically living at Mar-a-Lago during the transition because he cared so much about the staffing of the admin. And, you know, he's speaking at hundreds of churches, speaking at all these campuses, speaking at all these events, doing the endless work of building Turning Point. He very much lived in the real world. And that's a huge contrast to their apparent equivalent, Hassan, who lives online all day.
Well, I, I'll never forget that New York Times, uh, puff piece on him that said he was a, what was it? The, a progressive mind in a MAGA body. And it, you know, like he does lift weights apparently. Okay. Yeah. He likes guns. Okay. So, so he's super relevant now. Like the, the, um, the shallowness with which the establishment media is observing our culture is truly very shocking. And I, I, that's why I love what you do with your your publishing company. I mean, there's actually some depth, uh, with that you're making happen within the intellectual right. And I think that's really important because apparently it's, it's escaped the left now. It is completely vapid, vacuous commentary.
Jonathan, 30, 30 seconds. Sure. It's a completely barren landscape. The only thing the left has at this point is their rejection of Donald Trump. It's all just reaction to Donald Trump. And this is the position the right used to be in, just purely reactive. We are now proactive, and Charlie was at the forefront of that, and it's our job to sort of carry that forward.
Now, explore this idea that you, that we kind of were just touching on, um, about the barren landscape of the intellectual left. It used to be relatively reversed. I think that's safe to say. Is that the left, there was a little bit more robust discussion, debate, the depth. You could disagree with the ideas, but it was a more robust landscape, and the right was a little bit lagging behind. But now intellectually, we represent the vanguard of, uh, I think interesting thought, of powerful new ideas. How is, why is that? How did it change? And, and, you know, how are you playing a role in it?
Yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's a complicated picture. I mean, if I'm, if I'm trying to be maximally, sort of, charitable, I would say that a lot of this is less so, sort of, the failing of the left and rather the success of the left. So, what you had was a period of cultural domination for most of my adult life, most of our adult lives. And this leads to a kind of condition of complacency. Um, they had kind of won the fight. They had taken over academia. They had taken over, uh, you know, the media industries of various kinds. And, yeah, this, this just leads to a certain amount of maybe laziness. Um, it doesn't require generating new ideas to produce new stuff because you, you've won, and now you're enjoying, uh, the fruits of that labor. And during this period, especially over the last decade, the right, and I include you both in this, Charlie, in this, myself, and a lot of people who are now coming to the fore, um, in terms of, you know, taking the lead intellectually for, for the right, we were sort of the subalterns of weakness, of subordination. And when you're in that position, there's a lot of freedom and a lot of space to explore new ideas and sort of find, you know, exits that otherwise, uh, you know, would be shrouded and, and sort of darkness or would be taboo or whatever else. So, um, being in that situation of of being subordinate, being outside the eye of the public, allows a certain freedom of thought that is very generative. And so, what we're now seeing is the right taking those ideas that were generated during that, during that moment of subordination, and now that's seeing the light. Um, this is producing a lot of, uh, healthy policy outcomes. You know, a lot of the stuff around American nationalism, a lot of the stuff about, uh, around immigration, about the coherence of a population within a country and the importance of that, and what that means, and having sort of shared understanding of of language and myth and history and where you come from. All of that, and the importance of that, really did come out of this ferment, uh, on the right. And so, um, right now, we're in a position to sort of strike and feed this out to the public and kind of erase, uh, some of those gains that the left had made. There's still a ton of work to do. I mean, let's not get too far ahead of ourselves. Exactly. The left still owns academia and owns a good deal of the media infrastructure. So, we're going to have to administratively, um, take some risks and go out there and and take control of some of these institutions. But, from an ideas perspective, we are way out ahead.
No, and and you, you talk about how they still own a lot of these really important institutions, one of which we saw on full display, and we're going to get to it later in the hour, what happened with Comey. The fact that they, he did not get a perp walk, he got smuggled in behind the scenes. Uh, you know, do you think they would have done this for a conservative? Absolutely not. It's actually wildly infuriating. And we're going to touch on that later. But first, we're going to get to Katie Porter. So, I, I first need to know, Blake, potato, mashed potato. So, okay. So, just, just to remind people who Katie Porter is, she's running for governor of California. I believe she's currently in the house. Uh, and so she was giving an interview with, I believe, CBS News. Yep. Local Sacramento. I think we should get the breaking thing. Then we'll get into the potato. I'm just so curious. So, she was giving this interview where they just ask a total, you know, that total softball question, like, "How are you going to reach across the aisle to the people who voted for the other side in the election?" Politics 101. Let's just play clip 87.
What do you say to the 40% of California voters who you'll need in order to win?
Let me be clear with you. I represented Orange County. I represented a purple area. I have stood on my own two feet and won Republican votes before. That's not something every candidate in this race can say.
You don't. I feel like this is unnecessarily argumentative. What is your question?
The the question is the same thing I asked everybody. You have it written, and I'll answer it. And we've also asked the other candidates. Do you think you need any of those 40% of California voters to win?
And you're saying no, you don't.
No, I'm saying I'm going to try to win every vote I can. And what I'm saying to you is that.
Well, to those voters. Okay. So, so you. I don't want to keep doing this. I'm going to call it. Thank you. You're not going to do the interview with us.
Nope. Not like this. I'm not, not with seven follow-ups to every single question you ask. Every other candidate has answered. I don't care.
Lovely woman. You could just, you could feel the the energy. So, the reason I call her mashed potatoes Katie Porter is in 20, let's see, this is 2023, uh, the New York Post had some documents from, I believe, her divorce proceedings against a former husband. And her former husband accused her of throwing toys, books, and other objects at him during their marriage and even allegedly poured scalding hot mashed potatoes on his head during a fight. Yeah. And, uh, I believe the, the person that first broke this story, the, the comment from one of the, the ex-staffers of Katie Porter said, "Just imagine what she's like when the cameras are not rolling."
All right, Lomez, your turn. What do you make of this? You know, Katie Porter to me is the sort of, uh, apotheosis of of liberal politics at this point. Um, she's what I'd call a sort of long house matron. I, I kind of like, like the fact that people like her in the spotlight because it demonstrates perfectly the sort of personality type that runs democratic politics and runs the aforementioned institutions we were talking about. It's just, you know, at all times you're surrounded by, you know, a vice principal, third grade teacher who's slapping you on the, you know, hands with a ruler for telling like a joke, uh, you know, during, you know, math lesson or something. And if this is the view that, you know, mainstream voters have of the Democratic party, that's going to be great, uh, for us and for our agenda. So, I support this fully. I wish Katie Porter the best. I want to see more of Katie Porter in the news.
Well, you know what strikes me is that it, when they can't argue their points or where they, they just don't feel like they owe anybody an explanation for something, they just get morally indignant. And that is a cousin to some of the, this, I believe it's all related to some of the people feeling justified to do whatever they want when they disagree with somebody, whether that's political violence, whether that's moral indignation, turning off an interview. There is this, this sense that they don't deserve to explain themselves. They don't owe it to anybody, which is, they don't deserve to be questioned. Which is, which is a, like a phenomenally striking moment for somebody running to be the governor of the largest, uh, economy, with the state with the largest economy in the country. Yeah. And also, just the, you get that element where almost certainly this is a left-leaning news operation that she's interviewing with. But you actually, if you talk to liberals enough, or just see them in their own habitat, they often have this belief that the media is right-wing. I recently saw this kook on, uh, X, who said that the Washington Post is this, like, far-right paper now. Oh, because of Jeff Bezos or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. You know, just, it's no passage press, I'll tell you. You know, speak, but, yeah.
You know what's, you know what's interesting is that I will say, as somebody who has some experience in California, there there's such a lack of input from conservatives now in the state that some of the journalists want to kind of get into. They want to get a piece of that action and kind of act like conservatives still play. And by the way, there's millions of amazing patriots in California. You were a professor at UC Riverside. I mean, you know this. In fact, I, I had, you know, I've known Porter for a decade because she's, uh, from the Irvine area, which is where I taught at UC Irvine. And, yeah, people forget California has more Trump voters than any other state in the country. There are millions of Trump voters in California. There are very good people there. I was kind of hoping that after the LA fires, California would sort of find its way back to at least a more conservative way of doing politics. That was in the air for a little while. I think there's some possibility of that happening. You know, California is the crown jewel of the country. That's my opinion. And it, it's a huge mistake for conservatives just to write it off. And it's the same problem with, uh, conservatives saying that like they hope Mom Donnie wins in New York because, you know, these coastal elites deserve what they get. Well, actually, we want to preserve the best places in this country and make them better. We don't want to see them get worse. The problem in California is multifarious, but one of which is that normal middle-class people who want to raise kids, want to have families, want to have decent jobs have left, and they're leaving in mass. And California actually has net out domestic migration. So, natives are leaving, um, more so than people coming in. So, it's, it's a state that's increasingly run by the left, by, uh, you know, coastal liberals, quote unquote, but also masses of immigrants who just don't have the same sense of inheritance of this place that, you know, California natives have. So, it's a place that I want to see, uh, rescued. And, you know, I, I, I hope one day for a reconquista of California. Reconquista. That's, that would be a beautiful thing. It would, it would be beautiful.
And he's right about the scale of it. We're talking, we're not talking, you know, tens of thousands. If you count just American citizens moving out of California, the net difference between people moving in and moving out, we're talking, I think at this point, over a half a million people since COVID hit. That's a lot of people.
Yeah. Well, and I can tell you, uh, spending a lot more time in Phoenix lately, that you hear about that with even the, uh, the realtors and and the housing prices and things like that because there are a lot of Californians coming here. There's a lot of Californians going to Texas, Florida, Tennessee, uh, the, the Montana, Idaho. It, the outflow is incredible. And they seem to think that they're doing just fine because they've got illegal immigrants. I just looked it myself. It's over one and a half million people since, um, since. Yeah, they, they had about net, I think 400,000 in one year at one point. It was really brutal. Anecdotally, the, the townhome complex, uh, we were living in when we had our first kid and moved out, every single family, that is, every single English-speaking family with kids moved out over the course of 2020 that we knew.
Jeez. Yeah. I mean, it, it's a very bad negative feedback loop. It's a, it's a cycle that fuels itself because when one good family leaves, you know, I can tell you as somebody who spent time in California, that you, you grieve the loss of that family, and they inevitably are going to Nashville or they're going to some, you know, and then, and you're just like, you know, what am I doing holding on, right? And that psychology ends up playing, uh, quite a role.
And so, while we're on California, I think we should just keep hitting Katie Porter. This is a 2022 clip, uh, where she is talking about inflation, Biden inflation, and how that, that just reinforces the need for abortion because that, you know, that's not a non-sequitur or anything. Uh, cut 95.
How does inflation compare to this newly, uh, important in the sense of the Supreme Court decision pending, uh, abortion issue? How do those two issues compare?
Well, I don't think they compare. I think they actually reinforce each other. So, the fact that things like inflation can happen and it be, can become more expensive to feed your kids and to fuel your car, um, is exactly why people need to be able to be in charge of how many mouths they're going to have to feed. So, I think the fact that we're seeing this jump in expenses, um, that we're seeing people having to pay more in the grocery store, pay more at the pump, pay more for housing, is a reason that people are saying, "I need to be able to make my own decisions about when and if to start a family." So, I don't think we're going to see them. I don't think it's about comparing them or contrasting them. I think they reinforce for people just how big of a responsibility it is to take care of a family.
Uh, do you want any more Katie Porter jokes? Or I mean, oh, yeah, people talk about her being kind of like a Dolores Umbridge, if people have read Harry Potter, which I think we have to be kind of pro-Harry Potter now because J.K. Rowling is pretty based on important issues. One more Katie Porter clip. Uh, Les, if you'll indulge us. Uh, cut 94. This is, uh, poor Katie Porter calling pedophilia an identity. Um, so that's we'll see how this plays out.
94. You know, this allegation of groomer and pedophile, it is alleging that a person is criminal somehow and engaged in criminal acts merely because of of their identity, um, their sexual orientation, their gender identity.
No, Katie Porter, LGBT, I guess. Oh, my Katie Porter, when you, uh, sexually assault and abuse, uh, young kids, that is criminal. That's not an identity. That's an action that is evil, and they should be punished to the full extent of the law.
L, you, I want to let you chime in here. Yeah, I find this shockingly vulgar and like despicable on every level. But as a political matter, I, I do think the existence and, uh, prominence of people like Katie Porter is, is a good thing for us. I mean, this is the opposition that we want to be arguing with in front of the public. Uh, it is just intuitively obvious which side is good versus bad, which side is deranged, which side is behaving in a rational way. So, for all the faults of the right, and there are plenty of faults, and it's a kind of messy time in which we're trying to figure out how to move forward, uh, in this new environment, having people like Katie Porter be the face of the Democrat party is a great thing for us. So, I just want to, you know, point that out. We shouldn't be too hard on.
No, it, it does provide a really good foil. And you kind of remind me of that, you know, very successful ad campaign during the camp, during the, uh, 2024, 2024 run, which was, you know, uh, Kamala Harris is for they/them, Trump is for for us, for you. I guess she's now she's for the pedophile community. The identity because that was the moment where, where Kamala Harris basically, you know, caught on camera saying, "Yeah, I'm going to fund all these trans surgeries for prisoners." Yeah, of course. It doesn't matter if they're legal or illegal. And that clip was shocking to people. I think when people see this stuff, that this is from a prominent mainstream Democrat, and it's shocking stuff. And she's just, you know, obviously she's got a history of treating her employees very badly, her staff very badly.
I got an email here from Glenn. This will be our transition. He said, "Do you plan to discuss the summons afforded to Comey instead of an arrest warrant that allowed the snake to slither into the courthouse and out unseen without being perp-walked into the front door in handcuffs and leg restraints like they did with Bannon and Navarro?"
So, I wanted to have the first response to this and see if you guys disagree because we discussed this when he was first indicted on, uh, on our thought crime, uh, show. And I kind of thought, I'm actually okay with not having the public perp walk and like making a big show out of the, uh, out of a mug shot because I think that's how you get into bad patterns. Look at what happened to the Democrats with Donald Trump. They were obsessed with perp-walking Donald Trump. Get the mug shot of Donald Trump. And now we know two years later, that was a huge mistake that made Trump stronger. That they were fixated on these superficial things because perp-walking someone is not convicting them. It is not imprisoning them. It is not politically disempowering them. It is a superficial thing. And if you're making a case against Comey that he committed crimes, the important thing is to make sure the case is strong, that you can get a conviction of it. The important thing is not getting a perp walk of him. That is a superficial thing. So, I'm going to disagree with people a bit on that.
No, you've been consistent on this. You, you are demanding real accountability, real results. You want a real sentence. If we're going to bring, bring this, it needs to be, uh, Comey is strong. It shouldn't need a perp walk to make its point. Jonathan Keeperman Lomez, your take?
Yeah, I, I mean, I'm persuaded by this. I think Blake's right, and I think this speaks to a general tension that, you know, the Trump administration is trying to deal with, which is on the one hand, you want to signal to your base that you're doing something, and you're treating this asymmetry in power that, uh, you know, we've seen over the last decade or at least five years, um, you're treating that seriously, and you're taking, you're making steps, you're taking steps and making moves to rectify that asymmetry. The base wants to see this. They want to see Comey being perp-walked, you know, see anything that looks abnormal, uh, or that looks too vindictive. They want normal politics. They want sober, uh, steady, normal politics. They want real justice. They don't just want the symbols. They don't just want the ostentatious display. And, and so I think Blake is right. A little bit of forbearance here, a little bit of prudence from an optics perspective, which is the calculation that matters here. This is about optics. Uh, is, uh, well within what the, the Trump admin should do. Don't make a martyr out of this guy. Remember what happened to Trump with those mug shots? That became this like galvanizing moment for people on the right. It was used as a way to rally the base. We don't want to give them, uh, photographs and these events to galvanize them. They really have nothing right now. Now they have Katie Porter.
Okay. Who sold more Katie Porter? Who sold more t-shirts with Trump's mug shot on it? The left or Turning Point?
Yeah. Well, I don't know that we did. Didn't we have the Never Surrender? Maybe. Maybe that was someone else. No, the Charlie Kirk show did. Uh, but I don't think Turning Point. Oh, yeah. The separate organization. Sorry. Shouldn't mix them up. But, no. And, and listen, I am persuaded by this a little bit, but I also do want to give some credence to the base that's, you know, I think justifiably enraged at this double standard that we've all been forced to live through. I mean, Steve Bannon, who, you know, was on Real America's Voice before this show, uh, was, was paraded around, and the, the indignities that he was forced to suffer are extreme. And, and I understand people getting incredibly pissed off about that. I understand people getting upset about what happened to Peter Navarro. I understand the indignities that lawyers, uh, that, you know, defended Trump or that helped him in the, you know, after 2020, uh, that they've been forced to suffer through. So, I completely understand the impulse. And I think, you know, it's kind of what Trump would say, though, the best vengeance is success. So, if we want to get back at what we have been, uh, forced to suffer through, to your point, the success of an indictment, meaning that that Comey actually gets punished for his crimes, his alleged crimes, that he actually would would serve time in jail, serve time in prison. That is success. In these instances, success is really critical. And by the way, you know, all of these stories about, uh, that Tulsi Gabbard helped, uh, reveal, and, you know, some of this, uh, the shenanigans that were going on from, it looks like the highest level with Obama and Clapper and Brennan to essentially tie Trump into this, uh, to the Russia Gate scandal and basically rob two years of his presidential campaign. We haven't taken our eye off that ball either. So, and, and Comey was right in the center of that. And I, they, you know, go ahead, Blake.
We have late-breaking Katie Porter takes from our viewers. Susan has a super important question. Did Katie Porter ever sit on her poor ex-husband? Blake, you are just, you know what this, see, this is where Charlie would rein him in. And so it's like, left to me and Charlie, I don't know, like, this could, you know, send me a sign, Charlie, like, send me a sign. You want Blake Nef unleashed. Yeah, Blake shotake. Shot caller. I'm gonna have to get your, your shot caller, and you won't be an innocent, uh, in this because you, you have it covered. Um, okay, thank you, Susan, for, uh, you know, helping Blake get to get to the point. Um, so we, we have another email from G. Jean, I believe. Um, based on these clips you showed, Katie Porter reminds me of the women in Broward County who have run for office and who we, the local GOP, defeated with the right candidate. These are women who spout these ideas, yet they portray themselves as moms and representatives of women's issues.
That's a really, very key point. They do. That's what I'm saying. They, they present themselves as this moderate, sensible person, and then you actually, the mask-off moments, uh, really, I think, tell a lot about somebody's underlying ideology. And I think that's very, very true with Katie Porter. Um, uh, so, okay, Ramon, I guess says, why, oh, or this is SA, sorry. Why has he given a, why was he given a summons rather than arrest warrant?
Well, so that's kind of what I'm getting at. He, he responded to the summons. He went in. He entered his plea. And well, okay, but we know what the plea was already. And we should, we are conservatives. We actually want to uphold the system. And so you do want, if a person is going to come in and respect the system, we don't need to kick in the door and, you know, drag James Comey in. And if you're going for that, I think you're too focused on the TV show of what's going on. And you, you want to avoid that temptation. It is a bad impulse in my opinion. You do want to avoid making martyrs out of people that do not deserve the label. And I think that's ultimately where I landed with Kimmel. I was enraged at first, but I also want him to, I want his show just to go away because it has bad ratings and it's costing the network too much money, and it will, he will be the, uh, it will go out with a whimper is much better for some of these people. There's a lot of short-term emotional satisfaction from doing sort of performatively over-the-top or even cruel things to your opponents. And I think again, that's why I point towards the Trump stuff because there was a lot of that with Trump and his supporters. And I think that's how they squandered a lot of their political advantage during the Biden years, threw it away, and they got Trump re-elected. People saw it, and it was very off-putting. And we want to make sure we don't go too far. You, you want justice, of course, like we want to, for example, deport illegal immigrants, but you don't want to do performatively over-the-top stuff with it necessarily. You don't want to give the left tools to sort of attack you under something that ultimately doesn't matter.
Yeah. Leandra, here. The way team Blake Nef unleashed, the way Tucker advocated for Blake, I want Blake Nef unleashed. Waiting for his superb base takes on X. We're going to have unlimited potato-related takes. We need seven-hour Blake Nef streams on Twitch. People are going to regret that one. Blake Nef unleashed. Seven hours of me ranting about the Roman Empire.
Um, so this is from Susan. Um, she goes, because we just read her email, she goes, "My husband said you would never read that about Katie Porter, lol." No, we, we got you. We are committed to the email freedom at charliekirk.com. Please keep sending them.
Uh, Lomez, I, I want to give you the opportunity just to kind of reflect, um, on Charlie because we haven't gone there yet. Uh, because my, I think I was planning on leading with it, and then my headset, I had an issue, and we just got into the news. But I, I want the floor is yours.
I mean, yeah. All right. Well, you know, this is tough. I mean, it's still raw. I know you guys, it's raw for you guys, too. And it's still taken me, like, I'm in these waves thinking about the significance of it from a sort of like political cultural standpoint, and then there's also just like the personal element to it. And, you know, separating these two things out and trying to think about them rationally has been really difficult. And, uh, you guys know, both of you know, sort of like privately, we've had a lot of conversations, um, you know, before everything happened, how much I respected Charlie. And I, I really felt like Charlie was at the center of what was going to happen next, uh, on the right. And, and this was pretty obvious. This is not a novel take. Um, it's also not hyperbole. Uh, we're, we're seeing even in his brief absence here, things start to kind of fray without his presence in the middle, sort of binding all of these different factions together. And he was someone who could speak to everybody. Everybody could trust him. I think one thing, um, we're seeing too, and even with some of the, you know, quote unquote controversies, like with the text messages that were revealed yesterday, not getting into, you know, the specifics of what was said, but what was revealed to me was Charlie was a loyal friend. And loyalty really is the first principle of any, uh, political movement, of any political group, and of any political act. You have to be able to demonstrate loyalty. And loyalty transcends these kinds of ideological differences. And even differences that really matter, differences that are meaningful. Being able to talk to people, being able to talk to allies, people who are on your side across those differences and mediate between different parties who have, uh, disagreements on different issues. Charlie really was that guy at the center of the right. And in his absence, it remains to be seen what happens without him. I worry about it a little bit. I don't see any obvious replacement. You can't replace someone like him. The best we can do is all pitch in a little bit and try to model ourselves on Charlie's example. Um, I, you know, I've said this before previously on a podcast, but, you know, I'm, I'm 10 years older than Charlie, but in many, many, many ways, Charlie was a better man than me. And I want to be more like that. And I think people should start thinking, how can I be more like that? Not necessarily in terms of the beliefs, the ideology, although that's good too, but how can I act as a centering force for this coalition? How can I push towards more agreement, more positive action, more policy wins, rather than how can I better serve my own ego? And a lot of people think about the latter. They think, how can I serve my own ego? Charlie never did that. And I think a lot of us could take a very important lesson from that. And, and I implore people to think about it in, in those terms. The other thing on a personal level, you know, he's a man with a family and a wife and kids, and it's very similar to, you know, my own circumstances in many ways. And it's a tragic, tragic loss for people who know him and his family. And I, I do want to say, I have to give you guys credit for what you've done in his absence. For those on radio that didn't hear it, we're, we're you were just talking about what Charlie meant to you. What he meant to the movement. And, um, so please, I don't want to cut you off.
Yeah. No, it's fine. I mean, um, you know, it's, it's hard to wrap your arms around what a big loss this was. And I was just moving into sort of the personal tragedy of it. And, uh, you know, we have to remember here too, that like, the people you see on the screens, the, the people talking, these are just people. These are just guys with ideas and a vision for the country. And, uh, we, we, you know, the thing I would like for us to do is remember Charlie as a model. And I, I want us to think about from a, again, a policy standpoint, what we might be able to do to memorialize him, um, in a more permanent and durable way so that he maintains this, you know, central focus as a kind of model for how the right ought to be in the future. Yeah. And, um, you know, at, for those of us that are here, you know, trying to, uh, make much of his legacy and remember his life and to, uh, celebrate all the amazing things that he's done. I can tell you, it's, it's the most overwhelming thing. I, I had a friend, uh, who, who looked at me kind of in the midst of some of this last week and he said, "We picked a hard job." And he's like, and, you know, in Charlie's absence, it just got infinitely more difficult. And I was like, "Yeah, man. Yeah, that's, that's a massive understatement." But, you know, I do, the, the real legacy of Charlie is one of faith. Faith in, faith in Jesus, faith in in God, faith in this country. And so, I know that God doesn't call us to anything that he's not going to equip us to accomplish. I know that it is a tremendous loss, but I also know that God is with us. I've never in my life felt the prayers of strangers. I feel them daily. I, every day I get so many people texting, "We're praying for you. We're praying for you. We can't stop praying for you. We can't stop thinking about Charlie." And, um, so I know that God's plans are bigger than ours. I know that he has a vision for this country. There's a harvest that Charlie has helped ignite in this country. And my prayer is that we would not let any of the controversies overshadow, um, his, his legacy, his true intent. And I pray that we would not let it divide the coalition and the movement, or that it would come back and hurt Turning Point because Charlie loved Turning Point with all of his heart.
Just before we came back, Jonathan mentioned Charlie's humility. And actually, that was that was such an important part of it. That Charlie got so big, yet he was never a megalomaniac. He was never a narcissist. Every time good things happened, he'd say, you know, "All on God." Put it all in God's hands. And that was so important to his, his growth, his staying power, and why his movement was so, so positively oriented, I believe. And I think that's one of the most underrated aspects of how his faith guided his actions, that the success never went to his head because the success was always something given to him from above.
Yeah. Uh, Jonathan Keeperman Lopez on, uh, X. Uh, the last two minutes. The floor is yours, my friend.
Yeah, I mean, uh, you know, I, I, aside from just the humility, which obviously is incredibly grounding and allows people, uh, to sort of persevere and not lose sight, uh, not lose perspective. Um, Charlie was also a positive force. And, and this is the other thing that I see, you know, creeping in a little bit to the right, um, going forward with this kind of embittered, uh, resentful tone, where everything is sort of steeped in a kind of, uh, sense of of vindictiveness and revenge and a, and a sense of hurt that needs to be accounted for, a sense of grievance on the right. And I don't think the right should have that as the prevailing attitude. They should take instead the example of Charlie again, which was his, this sort of positive tone, a positive vision, a, a sort of trust in the good to prevail over the bad. That is often conflated and confused for weakness. It is not weakness. Uh, there is plenty of strength in being positive, and it's also not naivety. Charlie was not naive. And so you can be positive, you can have a positive vision without suffering from, uh, some of these other deficits. And again, I, I just hope that as a movement, uh, as a political coalition, we can take some of those traits on board.
Yeah. I mean, two of the guiding principles of Turning Point from the very beginning were grassroots humility and being a happy warrior. And that's how I would sum up kind of what we're talking about. These are these are guiding principles that are on the side of the walls in, in the, the, the offices, and grassroots humility. Always be willing to get your hands dirty, to lend a hand, to do the thing that is maybe not, uh, glorious or illustrious, or you're not going to get your name on a marquee, but to do it anyways because it's the right thing. Get registered voters, you know, hand out clipboards and tennis shoes, work. And then happy warrior. And I think that Charlie exemplified that because he always had that smile on his face. It was electric. It was magnetic. and super, um, it was just super inviting to so many people.
Jonathan Keeperman Lomez, thank you so much. We'll see you tomorrow.