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Um, you do OnlyFans as well? Do your parents know? Supportive? Not supportive?

So, my mom knows. She, I actually just told her about the OnlyFans. She's been known that I'm a dancer since I started. My stepdad knows I'm a dancer, but he doesn't really, he doesn't know about the OnlyFans. Just because he has a pretty antiquated view on, you know, the internet's there forever and safety and stuff like that. So he doesn't really...

When you say antiquated view, what do you mean?

I think it's just, um, a Boomer/Gen X perspective.

What, what perspective is that?

That you, what is the antiquated perspective?

Yeah, that you shouldn't post that stuff on the internet.

Conservative. Yeah. Yeah, I guess would be.

And is that antiquated? Or is that, I mean, I would, it's definitely more common amongst older populations.

Of wait, so do your parents, do they know that you're, they said they know that you dance?

Yeah, so they both know that I dance. My mom knows that I do OnlyFans. My biological dad does not know either, as far as I'm aware.

And is your mom, is she supportive?

Yes, she's all about me making my money. About, she's, she's all about you making your money.

Uh, what about your dad? Biological dad or stepdad?

Both. Um, well, my stepdad also doesn't really care as long as I'm safe. That's like the main thing for him. And same thing for my mom. But, you know, he's also wants me to be self-sufficient and stuff like that. So that's like really their main concern is my self-sufficiency.

Couldn't you be self-sufficient though without, um...

It's a lot more difficult. So I did, like, you know, as a young person, the only options that I have, you know, for a job is entry-level stuff and then also like fast food work and stuff like that. I could work my way, you know, as a manager in a fast food restaurant, but that's really the highest up position that I could get.

And then Nala, uh, I mean, I think you maybe talked a bit. So my dad, both, all my, my entire family knows. Um, my mom and I don't speak anymore. She's very, uh, religious, conservative. We've never had a good relationship throughout my entire life. It didn't even matter when I was a p... Um, my dad found out and everything. Very just supportive of me. He is still a Christian. He loves me. Me and my dad have had a really good relationship throughout the years. I financially support my family because they're retired now and have like kids who have kids and like my nieces and nephew need like things sometimes. So I love to give money to my family because, you know, I have it and they're still part of my family. Like I care about them. So even if I didn't speak to them, I wouldn't care. Like I made the decisions I made and I'm being very smart about it. And obviously, I know that OnlyFans is not the end result. I went to college to be a dental hygienist and I worked in an orthopedic office scheduling surgeries and stuff. I had big girl jobs with big girl benefits that didn't pay the bills. So I'm like, listen, I have huge pursuits, like snowboarding. Snowboarding's expensive. I want to be tutored in Japanese. That's expensive. Like I wanted things that I couldn't achieve with a normal job and like something that men think that I should be doing, you know? So me pursuing this OnlyFans career gave me so much freedom to expand as a human being. And I was like, wow, like this is what I want to do. And again, this won't last forever.

Just, just get a curiosity, um, you couldn't have gone snowboarding and learned Japanese without doing OnlyFans?

I, what I was telling you is that it cost money that I didn't have doing things like being a surgery scheduler or working. Like I, like I said, I went to college, like I got my little degree and everything, and that got me nowhere, especially with this economy right now. It's so bad. I could not live in California doing what I did. Absolutely not. It's so bad. And then I was like, I have to get a second job as a female who doesn't have a boyfriend to, you know, I wasn't being supported by anyone. So I was like, okay, you know what? I think I'm really good at a present, having a presence online. And I pursued so much. I don't just do OnlyFans. And and OnlyFans is really kind, like my content for OnlyFans has slowed down so that I could pursue bigger things that led me down different financial routes. So again, this was a starter, not an ender.

Can I ask one question about to all the girls that do OnlyFans? Because Lord knows y'all make a lot of money. And I'm, I'm going to be honest, sometimes I make jokes at work and I'm like, I work obscene amount of hours to not make anywhere near as much money. But, but there is a part of me that's also wondering like, you, like you said, you can't do this forever. And when you go back into, let's say, civilian life, you're going to look at everything and be like, I'm not going to accept any of this because you're going to make an eighth of what you made. So it's not about that. What I'm trying to do is set, I almost want to answer, you're going to make money.

No, no, no. But the point of making, the point of making that much money. Say, I'm not going back to a normal job. That's the whole point. So you're investing. Buy, you're investing. Buying.

No, hold on, hold on. I think, I mean, perhaps you don't have any history on Nala. Nala, let me ask you a question. Um, if you wanted to retire today, could you?

Million per. I could have retired a year ago. So it's, I mean, I, I, you, you're not familiar with Nala. But I think asking her that spe, granted, there are women who do OnlyFans who they will face that challenge. But I think Nala here is an exceptional for.

Well, it's, it's just so much more about growing yourself as a person and not just growing and making content and taking pictures of yourself. That doesn't help you do anything bigger. And then when you're making this much money as such a young person, you're like, wow, this is the time to be an adult. You need to set up for your future self. Like, you need to think of like the future Nala and be like, you know what, she'd want to be comfortable too. And she would want to continue sending her parents money. I know that for a fact because I don't feel like I'm changing anytime soon, you know? So that was the biggest purpose of this. And I felt so steady in my decision-making through this and financial just like maneuvering. I'm so thankful that I did what I did.

I have a quick, just a quick question. If your parents, if you went to your parents and you asked them, you said, you know, I have a choice. I can either quit doing all of this tomorrow, right? And go get a job for like a tenth of this, or I can continue to do this and send you money. Which one do you think they would ask?

My mom would say, absolutely quit. My dad, he'd be like, oh my God, no. Why would you ever quit?

Your dad would say that?

My dad would say that. I send money to my dad. So that he can be comfortable with, like their pastor.

No, he's not a pastor anymore. They stopped being a pastor when I was like 18. Okay. But he was. And he retained his faith, right?

He did. He did. I'm his daughter, though. You know, I'm not just some stranger. He's like, you know what, if I want her in my...

Do that make it worse? Like, wouldn't that make it worse? Don't you have to accept your kids for who they are?

What? And so, guys, one mic at a time. One mic at a time. I'll question. You had a kid and they were doing OnlyFans. What, you just disown them because they're doing, they made a bad decision until they clean their life up?

Yeah. You're a bad parent.

Wow. That's my...

100%.

What about, you're a bad kid?

Guys, guys, guys, please. One person speaking at a time. Go ahead. You guys go ahead. You can think your kid is bad and disagree with their life choices. Sure. But as a parent, you're supposed to be like a guiding figure and a loving figure. And part of that is not abandoning them in their time of need. And if you want to talk about Christianity, if you want to talk about Christianity, if you want to talk about like God and Jesus and the countless stories there are in the Bible, like still...

I got to respond to this. I got to respond to this. Okay, listen. First of all, let's dive into this just a little bit, okay? My daughter calls me up and she's like, hey Dad, you know, I'm still going to be doing OnlyFans, but I'm kind of thinking about not doing it, right? I would say, yes, absolutely don't do it. In her situation, she's like, no, he would totally be cool with it. You're saying you would own your child? You're saying you would say, gone child?

What was the context? The context is tell what he... The context was, we asked the, the question was straightforwardly asked, um, if you found out your daughter had OnlyFans, what would you do?

Until she cleaned up. I would not be participating with her or allow her in my life.

Said you probably easier that. Why is that awful?

Because you're not supporting your child.

Yeah, I'm not supporting. Face consequences of a decision doesn't make them as a whole, though. Yeah. The thing, you all know better. You literally told me you know for sure what you're doing is bad and you're just going to do it anyway. And then you're like, Dad, support it. It's crazy.

Who said it's bad, though? That's crazy. Nala even, what Nala said, she said her dad doesn't support. She might not support what she does, OnlyFans, whatever. But he's like, you know what, you're my daughter. And if that's what you want to do with your life, that doesn't mean I'm, I, I'm saying, yeah, go do that. Are you? This is love. You and I'm still going to be in your life.

Are you sure that's not just cope? Because the same thing could happen to you.

Well, that's, that's not true at all, though.

Yeah. Isn't it though? Isn't it really cope? You're just upset because your parents might actually do this to you. They might make you feel the consequences of this.

Let them. And then what? You're just an independent without parents.

I don't. So if you don't care if they disown you, why would you say you're a bad parent?

Of course I care. Call you AB. Do you think your daughter, do you think your daughter would care if you abandoned her?

Very simple. Abandoning an adult. An adult. Yes, you can. There is no age that you cannot abandon your with your kids when they're 60 and making bad choices. Support them. Decision. You don't have to say, you don't have to say every decision they do is good. You don't have to support every decision they do. But that is very distinct than disowning your own child. And I hope we can all agree. You know what a limit is. Stop being so emotional and be logical for five seconds. Go ahead.

Um, for me, so my mom, she's extremely Catholic. Grew in the Philippines, like the only place where divorce is illegal. And her, when I, she first found out, obviously there was a...

I have a big question for me. It's like, what if, what if you committed adultery against your wife, and then your kid found out about that and disowned you? Because should my wife abandon me? Should my wife abandon me when I commit adultery and do something she doesn't like?

Talking about the daughter. No, no. Answer my question.

Hang on. This is a perfect. My wife. So is a question with the question. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll answer. So answer. I'll answer, then you answer. So the answer is yes. Would...

Sorry, I did say that she could go. So I'm sorry. But go ahead.

Um, so I was saying is, I feel like, so me and my mom, we were distant, you know, out of point when she found out. But then I feel like as a mother, like she just kind of stands one from her. For a Catholic perspective, it's not mine. It's that, um, everyone has their own sins. She has no place to judge me because she has her own things. And then the other thing is she noticed like when we're talking about, um, bad life choices and your kid coming back when their life's cleaned up. My mom realized I was always just on a better path when I had her life in my life. Like when, if, when I was distant from her, then I was going further into things that she didn't want to see me in. Because just having your parents' love is just kind of motivating. Having your parents' acceptance. Any goal you have of your kid just doing better for themselves will be easier when they know that their parent loves them. Even if, you know, I don't, I don't support this. I don't want to hear about this. But I still love you. Maybe you barely talk to them every day. But okay. For me, I'm diabetic. Do you think my, my parents would never? Yeah, they would never stop giving me insulin. I could have done anything in the world. They would always make sure I have my insulin. Yeah, like certain things. You see what I'm saying? I'm not, I know that's a different extreme, but it's kind of like...

V donated 200s. If my daughter did of that means I failed her as a father. She would do of only if I am dead or in jail. Your fathers are morally weak men. They are morally weak men.

I guess could I ask you, who do you think is the example?

Well, I mean, you can say you. But he's right. Look, the chatter is right. Can I ask you a question? Hang on. Finish my point. Going to tell. Right. You do have to be a morally weak man if they know, like in your case, maybe not because your dad doesn't know. Okay. But a lot of people that I've talked to here, their dads do know and they're just like, but we're adult, adult, able to make our own decision. My dad doesn't like it.

Finished. But point. I'm almost done. Okay. Yeah. I think that that's a moral weakness to say, I will enable you. I will enable you to do this threshold breaking thing, especially from a Christian perspective. It's insane. I don't, I don't know why anybody would do it.

I would say, listen, because real Christians love everyone.

So then why not just make everything permissible?

I love the fact that you're like, I'll disown my daughter. That's not. So everything's permissible. I didn't think that there's a difference between deling someone.

Permissible? No, no. But all social behaviors, all sexual behaviors, all everything Christians must permit that.

Who's the example in Christianity for? Answer the question.

Christians must. I feel like. Ask him that. Who in. Answer. I'm asking you the question. Is it per, is all forms of social, sexual behavior something which are supposed to be permissible to Christians?

I don't think it should be permissible. I think that you should love no matter what.

So then if it's not permissible, then I'm not giving permission, which means I'm not endorsing it, which means I'm not allowing it, which means I'm totally against it. If your kid is an adult, why do you have to allow them to do something?

What do you? I'm not allowing them. The question I have. What are you talking about? Who in Christianity is the example for parenting? Who is it? You mean in which context? Which saints are you talking about? What talking about? There's saints which you can look to as examples in parenting. Who do you look to as the example for parenting? As the example inside of Christianity?

One sec. Honestly, Nala has a special brand of daddy issues. Every girl has a craving for male attention. If she doesn't get it from her dad, she will get by being a thought, thought. So here, I need to... Yeah, look at Jesus Christ. You want to answer, but like, I do want to. I have so many notes. I have to get through. So go ahead.

All it sounded like you wanted to say something. So, so I feel like a lot of people think that because what I do, I have daddy issues or mommy issues or whatever the it is. But it's honestly, it's a self-made choice. I didn't go to my dad and be like, you know, should I do this? And he just gave me like all this advice to do it. You know, I came to them, told them because I wanted to be honest with my parents. They have that reason, like they have that decision to make with their kid if they do something like this, you know what I mean? Like whether they want to be in your life or not. I think it's bad parenting if you don't want to be in your kids's life, no matter what they do. I'm not saying if they like delete someone that's like, that's a great. I don't know. I feel like the line is just too broad here.

So let me ask you this. Can you make the judgment and the value-added judgment on what's bad parenting? I have children. Do you have any? No. Okay. And then on top of it, from your parents' perspective, you turned out to go off and do OnlyFans and like show your butthole online for money. How's that great parenting? How could you come to me and say what a great parent should do? This is you're the perfect example of everything that nobody should listen to for greatting.

Is Christ a terrible parent? Because like so many of his sons and daughters commit sin. You said Jesus is your example for parenting. Who did Jesus...

This is a hilarious. Of course he died for everybody. Oh, dying. I'm sorry. Go ahead.

Who did he dine with? You in, in which context? Like his apostles or in the gospels? Who did he... He would dine with everybody. He dined with sinners. He would dine with saints. He called Godless fools and rejected out of...

Okay, just stop. Just get to your point.

Know this. Well, it's fine if you don't know. The people he called Godless fools was Pharisees, the leaders of the religion. Whereas in the cases of women who were adulterers, tax collectors, he told, no more. He told them to sin no more, but still dined with them. And he told them to sin no more.

You should go and... Disowning is not the same thing as saying sin. Disowning and telling a behavior is modified. That's behavior modification.

No, it's not. Do you? There's a million ways to not. Hold on, hold on, hold on. There's a million ways to condone an action. How do you even reconcile the prodigal son? When the father, as the son walks home, says, you've been my son the whole time. He never removed it. The son left and the father allowed him to live out the consequences of that. But the father didn't. The father didn't send him away. And when he came back, he threw him a massive party. Terrible prodigal son. But here's the thing. When you're looking at what happened in the results of the prodigal son, the father did not go where the son was. Where the son was committing all these heinous acts.

Stop, stop. Not saying you should start OnlyFans. Not saying Only. All of it. You're all of it. You're all of it. Calm down. Let me finish my point. Okay. Dad didn't, Dad didn't go where he was. Dad wasn't going and, you know, trying to pull him back. He wasn't doing any of this. He was saying, I don't, I don't endorse what it is that you're doing. What you're going after.

Yes, he did say that. He told him it was a bad idea to leave. That's a very big difference between he told him it was a bad. Now he left anyway after breaking the fortune. And then when he came back, humble, when he came back humble, with his tail between his legs, crying his eyes out, did his father say, you, you've now returned to me, the prodigal son, and now all is forgiven? You have always, always is the key word here. You've always been. They're still always your kid.

Not if you disown them. That doesn't mean you have to. It in the cases like, did he not go with them to like go and [ __ ] it up with [ __ ] and blow money on crack? No, he didn't. But she's not saying, hey Dad, come do OnlyFans with me. You should start.

My dad is nowhere in my life. Yeah, but my point, my point is is this is that again, when he came back humble, when he came back correct, when he came back from doing the horrible things that he was doing, then dad said, yes, welcome back in. You were always my son. Of course, I never stopped loving you. But he was not endorsing all the things.

Me finish. He was not endorsing all the things the kid was doing. He was not going out of his way to make sure that the kid had additional money to continue sending where he was at. He wasn't doing any of that.

Asking that. I'm not saying any of these things. The issue is that if Christ is the example for parenting, and he loves you every single step of the way, disowning your child is the opposite of that thing. Now, I am fine with parents getting to decide if you like, don't want to like support that. They tell them explicitly. Like, I would be fine with a relationship like my parents are Christian, my brother's gay. I'm fine with them regularly being...

Can the Catholic Church excommunicate people? Yes. But the Catholic Church is in no way the same thing as.

Yeah, so is if the Catholic Church excommunicates somebody, are you saying that what they're doing? Why do they excommunicate? That's an ex [ __ ] we're getting.

Okay, make, make a final point. If you make, if you make an excommunication, why is it that they're not turning their back on their children?

Okay. An excommunication at an Apostolic level of the Catholic Church is about Godless fools. It's about Pro. That is why the Eastern Orthodox was removed. They broke up with you because they thought that you got... I know you guys broke up with us after. But that's just not true. The reason that they were Cath... I'm not a Catholic, but I'm theologic Catholic. I'm more Catholic than I Eastern Orthodox.

Seconds. 20 seconds. The reason that churches excommunicate is because they're violating the nature of God himself. Not, not because they're doing a sin that they dislike. It's extremely different. And these types of sins like blaspheming the holy spirit is in no way comparable to moral sins or virtue sins, which maybe OnlyFans is a moral sin or maybe it's a virtue sin. I'm not sure where it falls specifically. But acting like the church can excommunicate, so parents can excommunicate their children is a bastardization of why the Catholic Church does this in the first place. So let's look at this logically to what you're saying, not what the distinction. Which the distinctions and the reasoning are. Yeah, I know. I'm just trying to respond. What the distinction and the reasonings are. Let's look at this from a holistic. You claimed, listen, because Jesus Christ said thing X, it's not proper for you to then say, nope, I'll walk away from this. But it is proper for the Catholic Church to do the same thing under the same circumstances. And your only claim to this is to say that they rejected. That they rejected Christ. So the same thing happens. Exactly. It's not rejecting Christ. It can be rejecting Christ. Blasphemy. What the, what the Pharisees did was bad enough.

Are disanalogous? And you're being dishonest. No, that's not. They're not disanalogous. This is your logic. No, this is a logic of like, all of the the. Wait, interlude. Uh, can we? But it's weird. Why is it weird? She said it was weird. I don't know what she said. Why is it weird? Say what you want to say. I just feel like it's none of your business. Like, like anyone's business to like know what anyone's body count is. Like, and quite frankly, like I would even want to know from another guy because then like, if it's a number, I don't want to hear like, I'm not going to like you anymore.

All right, well, maybe we'll come back to that. We'll continue going around the table. I want to get everybody's answers. Go ahead. No, you don't object to. Okay. I don't object. Uh, no, I think it's, it's fair to, you know, that for that to put you off. Um, but I would also say that maybe Sweet Tooth, thank you for the gifted 20 memberships. Maybe I would say that maybe, uh, don't discount somebody because of that because that's not, you know, necessarily. I mean, you could really miss out on somebody good who has a past that, you know, maybe doesn't align with your virtues, but also maybe they don't, maybe they've grown from that. And, uh, so yeah, I'd probably still discount them. But, um, I object.

Oh, okay. So just to bring it back, why is it weird? It's invasive. What's invasive? The whole body cam phenomena. How? What do you mean? To like, here, let me paint this. Let me give you a scenario. Let me give you a scenario. Let's say the guy doesn't even ask. He just knows because you've been friends with, you know, maybe he's been in your social circle and he's known you for three years. And he's known you've gone out to parties and bars. He's heard through the grapevine that you've slept with 20 men in the past three years. Um, he doesn't ask you outright. Is it invasive then for the guy to not want to date you because you've slept with 20 men in the past three years?

No, but I do think it's heavily judgmental. It's heavily judgmental.

So you object to judging people? Didn't you say earlier that you, you're your allowance?

Well, not allowance, but you need a guy to spend $5 to $10,000 on you a month.

I said that's the average amount of probably what it would come to if you're putting like, like fun things, like the average relationship expenses into play, but definitely not an allowance.

Would you, would you date a guy who works at McDonald's?

No.

So, so you're judging him.

Judgement is that that's a judgment. You could have been missing out on like the best burger flipper ever and you just pass him by. How judgy.

I just, I, I don't know. I think body counts between like 10 to 30 in today's society is like normal.

Let me ask a different question. I'm just curious about. I assume right this second, you enter into this dating market. I don't know much about the dating market. I've been off it for a long time. And thank God for that. But let's say enter into it right now and you were a virgin. Would it be invasive somebody asked your body count?

Them? Yes. I still wouldn't tell anybody because I feel like, like guys take advantage of women who have low sexual experience.

How do they take advantage? How? How do they take advantage?

You think that most women's answers when they answer that it's invasive or they don't like it or this type of things is because they have themselves a high body count?

Not necessarily. I'd even consider myself to be in that category. I just don't think it's any, it's a man's business. Like, why? Like, what benefit do you gain knowing who I've slept with in the past? Like, so we can disqualify you from...

Yeah, but I agree with say too, because sometimes ignorance is bliss. Like, let's say hypothetically, you meet.

Give me the red pill. That's a blue pill. Okay. Let... I want to know so I can make a determination of do I want to date this person? Yes or no. I don't want, like, I would want that information. That way I can make a determination.

Yeah, but let's say in every single aspect of this, one person, let's say you've been meeting people and it's never worked out with anyone and you meet this one person. They're absolutely perfect in every single aspect. Except this one thing. But they have a body count of... You find out later. Okay. Not, but you said what you consider high as 10. Let's say it's... Well, I'm using the extreme. Like, I'm using the extreme on both sides. So the extreme is this is perfect woman.

Butler donated $200. Thank you. Since one in three women aged 16 to 30 has an STD now, and condoms don't protect from genital herpes. Body count matters. Y'all turned your lady parts into a radioactive wasteland. I'm going to go vomit. Radioactive, by the way. Here, let me drop the nuke. Actually, Nick, could you click the nuke red? Click nuke red. Yeah. Radioactive wasteland. There it is, folks. Look at that. Holy. That's that's what it's looking like. All right, Nick, you can all... Yeah, okay.

Um, so to use an extreme on both ends, you're saying, well, the perfect woman, she's perfect in every way. She's a 10 out of 10. She's blah, whatever. But here's the extreme on the other end. She has slept with over 100 men. Yeah, that's a no. But wouldn't you rather just not know? Like, you just want to keep her eyes...

This perfect. No, I want the truth. Truth. Uber Alice. Let's just. I want the truth.

Over. Let's just kind of, let's just kind of grant it though. You know what? Let's say your preference is that you didn't know. Because for you, right, not knowing is a thing that you would prefer. Yeah. Because I... You'd be any problem though. Honest. Would you say there would be any problem though for a person who did want to know? They did want to know the truth? Maybe ignorance is bliss for you is true. But maybe for another person, ignorance is bliss not so true. But like, why do they want to know so badly? And with the thing with STDs, you can want to be so ignorant so badly. Literally.

Well, I, I just don't really care. It's not that I want that so badly. And if, like, my boyfriend C is going to tell me his body count, I'd like run away and close my ear. But your pushback is what? Ignorance is bliss? Like, okay, that's fair enough. It's true. Maybe if you're ignorant about something, and you didn't have any forn knowledge to it, you might go a certain way. Like, okay, maybe. But if another person had the preference to not be ignorant on on the topic, what, what still would be the objection other than you just kind of think it's icky? That's really it. When you get down to the value judgment. In other words, aren't you guys really just saying, I think it's icky. I think it's yucky. There's not really anything else. I mean, it's like someone's privacy. Like, to me, is something that's very intimate and it's private.

Intimate. If you have a high body. Yeah, but I think Izzy and I kind of see similar to this on on this particular topic because we're not using this as an excuse to be go promiscuous, you know, and sleep with a bunch of guys. I'm just saying I think it's rude for a man to ask a lady how many guys have you slept with.

I recommend not rude. I recently actually spoke to a guy about this and he, I think him and I like kind of agreed on the standpoint like, we don't need to know each other's body counts. But if you are in, if we both are in an area and you see somebody that you slept with, do me the favor and let me know. And we're in the same area and I'll do the same.

That's asking you your body count just in a in a different way. No, but it's no, it's just like, if you slept with a dude, can you just point him out? That's not invasive.

But the, but the alternative. Ask you have any slept. Like if we're, if we're like at a party or something. That sounds 10 times worse.

Know, just so they don't make a fool out of themselves and the person is there, you know? But like to go out and ask for a number like that, that's just wild. And I never give it to you.

Just point out the person, right? It's like, what? This is actually a great reason why men ought to date women with low body counts. So the likelihood of you being in a scenario where you're in the same room as another man who's [ __ ] your woman, you're just almost making our argument for us. Yeah, in fact, that's your demand. You're like, hey, I had a conversation like, look, if you've been in a room with dudes you've been, can you out? That's literally asking you your body.

But stop. Happens like sometimes you be like out at a party. Happens. Yeah, it happens. It just happens. And be like, damn, like that's, you know, how it is. You're at a party sometimes and you're just hanging out and then walk in people you slept. Sexual intercourse with at the party. It's if you have a small circle. Like it's, it's sometimes you see people out. It's how many? How many people in the small circle have you had sex? Goddamn. Imagine like a college campus. People in college be doing craziness. You be bound to see somebody there. Like you should like, you know, like it's not like that.

Look, uh, okay. Um, I'm still not sure why it's weird. I have a question for the ladies though. Um, would you date a guy who had sex with men? No, like they're bisexual.

Yeah, sure. He previously had sex with men. Would you date him?

I've never really thought about it. Think about it right now. I mean, as long as, like, I don't see what difference it would make if they're by.

Okay. Are you by?

No, I'm straight.

What about you?

Um, um, I've been close. I've like kissed asexual.

Would you have a long-term relationship with a guy who's had sex with men?

Yeah, I think I could do it.

You? She thinks she could do it.

I think I could do it.

What about you?

Hard no.

But hold on. What's that? That's not any of your business. That's his kind of value judgment. Is that? That is a value judgment.

Yeah. Sorry. Nope. That, no, that is my business because that same individual's thing has been in like a man's thing. And it's a really my business.

Well, wait a second. Yeah. There's a little cognitive dissonance going on here because you're saying you have no right to know my past and what I ever did. Yeah. My, my straight heterosexual path. So then what if you're, what if you're hanging out and you're dating a guy and you really like him and he's like, he's like the one. And he spends the $10,000 a month on you, the whole nine, you know what I mean? And you, and you just, and one day you just like pick up the phone and this guy's like, yeah, it's Chuck and I used to sleep with this dude. Would you dump him immediately?

It sounds like a value judgment. It does sound like a value judgment.

Call it what you want. I can't be with a man like that. I'm sorry.

Going around the table. Would you, uh, have a long-term relationship with a guy who has with men?

Depends on compatibility in other aspects. But no.

Okay. But no.

Okay. Yes. I'm pretty sure that's a no.

Absolutely not. Are we supposed to answer this one?

I don't know.

Okay. Um, well, okay. So, um, some of you said body count does matter. Some of you said body count doesn't matter. Shouldn't matter. Don't object to men caring about body count. So it begets the question, what's your body count? Starting with you.

Over a hundred.

From you going this way?

I'm not answering because I think that should be private between me and my boyfriend.

I thought you said body count doesn't matter. Shouldn't matter.

I mean, I don't. I also said it's no one's business.

You don't have to answer. Okay. What about you?

Um, I'm genuinely not sure. Range? Like, or over X number? Like, no more than 20.

So 15 to 20, I would say.

Decline the question.

I thought body count didn't matter. It's nobody's business.

Okay. Ditto. Private.

Zero. Waiting for marriage.

I'm sorry. You spoke. You got. Guys, please. We do need you to speak.

I said zero. I'm waiting for marriage.

Oh, that's really nice. Good for you. Beautiful. It's beautiful. It's marriage. Okay. It's interesting though, you guys say body count doesn't matter, but, uh, you do refuse to answer the question. I find that interesting.

I think privacy, the my right to my privacy is what is important to me. And I don't want to share it on the internet.

That's fine. That's fine. I do think it's. I have, I have a question too that I'm just curious about, kind of folding into this. My my question is, I I can respect your position, but then this podcast is in famous for sometimes infamous for asking these questions, you know, so I wouldn't go on it if that was my position. Yeah, but I had the option to decline to answer.

Well, I suppose you could decline to answer every single question we ask you. But, yeah, and then I'd probably like, would never come back here, like get invited back. Some things just don't need to be on the internet. Like, if you wanted to be on the internet, you're not, you don't have to answer the question. It's fine. It's just like, it kind of, you know, your whole position of, well, body count shouldn't really matter, men shouldn't really care about it, but I also really want to reserve that information because you think you'll be judged on it. Why?

I have a different question. I'm curious about. So all of you guys almost unanimously said if a guy had ever been with another guy, that's like no, right off the gate. Which, by the way, is awesome. But let's let Andrew stop. You're going to get canceled, dude. They're going to cancel you. Let me ask this. Let me ask this a different way. Should a guy be able to, or should, should a guy get together with a woman who has had same activity with another woman? With a woman? So a woman, it's the same activity with a woman. Should a man get together with her?

Men love that. Double standards. Double standards. Hello.

Um, it's a little different.

Oh, it is. Don't you think so?

What? No. What's the difference? From the, if the standard is that you had a safe sex relationship, so that's a no-go. But if this sex had a same-sex relationship, that's A-OK? What's...

I mean, that's up to you, you know what I mean? If that bothers you. But I don't think it bothers most men.

Yeah, I mean, maybe not. But we're still holding the standard here, right? What makes it a no-go for you guys if a man was in a same-sex relationship for you not to date him? What, what is that force that drives you where you're like, no?

Um, I think masculinity and femininity are very different. So when it comes to same-sex relationships with men, like men and then women, I just think it's a lot more, it's a lot, it's a bigger leak to to go same-sex with a man than...

That doesn't really answer the question at all. Like the question specifically is, same-sex activity between two men, you're like, no-go, right?

Mhm. Okay. Fair enough.

Why? Because it's very, uh, emasculating in my opinion.

That's that's pretty. That's kind of as emasculating as it could get. That's it. It's just, it's just a masculinity issue.

Yeah, I think so. There's no other. I mean, yeah. I mean, let's not get into that. But, but there is, right? There's other underlying reasons there. Sure. But that's, you know. And also, I don't know if that would apply to female same-sex situations.

Why? Because there's different, uh, body parts getting involved?

Yeah. I'm not, I'm just, I still, I just don't understand the standard, I guess.

If I can jump in on that though. So if you guys are kind of repulsed by the thought of doing that, then like the thought of you doing that with other men, that's kind of how we feel. We look at it, right? To draw it to draw it all home. That's the same way that we would feel the opposite way. You guys being with other men. It's, it's not a perfect. It's not perfect. I mean, I, I, it doesn't map on one to one. But you could get the preference here. Get it right. I understand. And that's kind of why I'm like, I, I, I don't really encourage promiscuity. Like, I actually prefer to be like with one person for long extended periods of time.

That's beautiful. But great to each his own. Like, it's your body.

Know, speaking of which, this is actually why I refuse to date a woman who who's had sex on camera with another man. Speaking of Shawn Evans, callback to two hours ago. If a woman has had sex with a man on camera, that is a 100% a deal breaker for me. You're out. Do you like a home or old? You are out. Out you go. AA, where's where's my soldier? Wait, how did how did that get turned on? Do you mean like, do you mean like a private movie or like OnlyFans?

No, he's talking about like public for public for public. Public viewing. Yeah, yeah, of course. Of course.

You said you wanted to discuss age gaps in dating and what is appropriate. So why don't we start with you? And I will open it up to the whole panel. Go ahead. That's a good question. Um, I think if the age gap is relatively large, and I know this can be subjective, it does definitely rub me the wrong way, whether it's the man that's younger or the woman that's way younger. Like in both ways, it just feels a little bit predatory.

Predatory. Okay. I think before we weigh in on that, I do want to get the answer from the rest of the panel. So you think it's a bit predatory? Do you want to add to your answer at all? Or...

No, I'll like let everyone else.

Okay. So you think, you feel it's weird. You think it's predatory. Okay.

Um, it gives me icky vibes.

Icky. It gives you icky vibes. Vibes. Okay. How much of an age gap are we talking?

I mean, that's up to the each individual. But, um, I don't know. Well, you're currently in an age gap relationship, isn't that correct?

Something like that.

What do you mean? Well, you said you're, you're 22, he's 32, right around there. So that...

What do you mean around there? He's older than 32. Like 10, 15 years older than me.

How old is? Just say how old he is.

I don't know. People are watching. I don't put people in blast.

Um, but like, what's the age gap? Like 14 years.

Okay. So you're 22. So he's 36, about there. Yeah. Maybe it's more.

Okay. We'll just here. Yeah. You're friends with her. Do you object to her relationship? Do you think her relationship is predatory?

Well, so I've met. Wait, did you just say a little bit? What? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, like, I might have heard wrong, but it sounded like you whispered a little bit.

No, no, no. I was saying like, no, it's not predatory.

So you're friends with her. She's dating this guy. Do you think that that's a predatory relationship?

Well, having actually met this person and like gotten to know him, no. So of course, it does depend on. So it's okay for your friends to date? Have age gaps?

I didn't say that. For me, I also said it was subjective. How big of the age gap it is. Well, it's it's a... What if it was four years older than he is now? Then would it be too much?

I don't think that's a large age gap though.

What's large? For me, a large age gap is if they're within five years of like one of my parents' ages. So like, my, my youngest parent is my stepdad, he's 40. So, yeah, I guess 35 would be at the like pushing it. Like that's a pretty big age gap. So me personally, I don't object to as long as they're both adults. Um, but I would say that most people who do object to age gaps would probably find her age gap relationship objectionable. She's 22. I don't, I don't find it objectionable. But I think a lot of people would or that who object to age gaps would. She's 22. A 36-year-old, 14-year age gap.

In this case, you just said it's okay because older guys. Anyway, I was still like, I was still a little bit concerned, like wanting to know what his intentions were. So, I like, it does depend on the person at the end of the day. Like, you can make these so then they're not predatory. Then, no, I mean, they can't be predatory if they're not predators, right? They're only predatory based on the individuals, right? Yeah. So that could be true about a 22-year-old. A 23-year-old could be predatory. So, just for context, I mean, I was interested in somebody before who was a little bit older than 35, 36, and that felt very predatory. Um, because the individual involved, because of the individ— But you said you were interested in him. Well, both vice versa, right? But I'm saying the dynamic itself kind of felt very predatory, right? Like, why? Like, you know, like we just didn't have anything in common. Like going out, the looks. Sorry, going out, the looks. What do you mean, the looks? You know, because— But you said you were interested in him. We were both. I was. We were both interested in each other. But I'm saying, like, that relationship compared to like this one now feels very different. Like, I don't really even notice the age gap. But I do prefer older men. Like, I don't think I could date somebody my age. Okay. But so why was that specific one predatory? We didn't have anything in common. So if you don't have something in— Like, so let's say a 23— But let's say, let's say a 23 and a 22-year-old have nothing in common. That was just one of the things. Is it predatory to not have anything in common? No, no, no. That was just one of the things. Um, he didn't. He like aged poorly. So like— But you said you were interested in him. I was. How was him aging poorly mean he's predatory? No, no, no, no. I said, I said it, it felt weird. Like, maybe, maybe feeling weird is a better, a better, better way to describe it. But the dynamic just did not flow very well. Um, but you said, and it felt inappropriate. Yeah, but that's the part. The inappropriate, predatory, whatever that is, right? Right. Because I think, um, when I first started, um, engaging with this person, um, I kind of had blinders on to, you know, the actual age gap itself because everything was just going so great and so quickly. You ignored the age in lieu of what? And in lieu of stuff and things, and stuff and things, and things just, just, it was very— Was it for stuff and things? It was very exciting. Was it for stuff and things? Did you ignore the age gap for stuff and things? I would say more experiences. It was very exciting. But experiences, like stuff and things. I'll just give an example. I hope he's not watching this. I really do. Um, so, like, what was this last February? I was intending to go to New York for Spring Break, um, with my friends, and I was just chatting to him about it, and he was like, "No, don't go by yourself. Like, I'll arrange the whole trip." And arranged, like, a weekday at a beautiful— Here comes the things. Let's hear about the things. It was just like an unforgettable experience, you know? But a lot of attention to detail. Like, it was like, wow, you know? So for the material gains, you ignored the— Hang on, hang on. For the material gains, you ignored the age? Right. But he was also a really, really funny guy. Dressed very well, too. It's just, after a while, I was just like, this is, this is not going to work, you know? I'm not very attracted to you at all. So for the material gains, I never told him to do this. He did this for me, you know? Right. No, I get it. But I'm just saying, like, well, you know, I'm not attracted to you, right? This isn't really going anywhere. But thanks for the [ __ ] right? Like, I mean, come— Right. Is that basically what happened? I mean, after a while, yes, it did fizzle out. Yes. Correct. But compared to this one, this one is like fresh and like sexy. Okay. Getting everybody else's thoughts on age gap relationships. General answer: No, again, it depends on the individuals involved. Well, of course. But I mean, I mean, again, keeping it genuine, there are times like if I saw a 50-year-old man dating an 18-year-old girl, admittedly, I'd get the ick. Wait, hold, wait, wait. Sorry. An older man dating a what? Like an 18-year-old girl? Oh, 18-year-old girl. Okay. That being said, um, actually listening to you on this podcast, I have learned I need to set aside my feelings and think about, okay, what is the morality of the situation? So if I look at that, no problemo. They— Problemo. Problemo, right? So this is the thing, right? All the objections are always just, I don't like this. Why? I don't know. And it's just like, like, well, then I don't give a [ __ ]. Right? Just that's that's just me. I think the only valid, maybe like, argument you could make there is like, your cognitive function isn't quite set in until you're about 25. No, that's not even true for everybody. I heard that was fake news. It is fake news. In fact, the series of sociological studies, which he would be referencing to bring up the cognitive disparity between— No, these are sociological studies. Neuroscience, especially, will be the— This is inside the neuroscientific field. Especially what you're talking about is one specific part of the brain, which isn't fully developed in a human adult female until they're 26. Prefrontal cortex. Is that it? That's that one part. But the thing is, is like, but how much does it, does it diminish your cognitive ability by 1%? I mean, it rings true for me. I, I do feel like once I got to about 25, like, yeah. But you have a whole ton of experience, a lot more ability to, to make better decisions. But the problem with this is, let's assume for a second that every year you got older, it increased your cognitive ability or whatever by 1% or 2% or something like this, some, you know, kind of smallish, uh, type percentage. Now, let's assume that that never occurred. It just stopped at 2% less than what it is now, or 1% less than it is now, and you had the same exact 10 years of experience, you would still be way smarter than you would be when you were 16 or 18 or 19 or 20. You would still be. So the, the question becomes, is it experience, or is it the fact that your brain's not completely 100% developed until you're 26 years old? That just seems absurd to me. It's like, you weren't that much smarter at 26 than you were at 24, or even at 22. Obviously, it's progressive, you know? Yeah, that's why I'm saying. But is it progressive due to experience, or because your, your brain isn't completely developed till you're 26? That's the question. I mean, I think that is what the studies show is that your prefrontal cortex kind of completely— It's, it's— That's not even true for— Can we Google the, the whole like 25? There's multiple. There's multiple data samples on this. And no, it's not showing that you somehow get the, like, when you turn 26, the day you turn 26, you're like, "Oh, Eureka! My brain's done developing now. I can go get that man that I want." That does that just seem absurd on its face? No, I don't think it's like a— It happens in one night, right? Well, it doesn't happen. It happens. It's a gradual transition. But if you're 23 versus 26, how much more intelligent are you because of your brain development? That's the question. I think it's a question of experience versus 26. I think that's— I think everybody. But that's a question of experience, not necessarily a question of brain function. So I'm saying that both, the distinction between your brain at 18-26, you'd have to demonstrate that it's so significant that if you were to leave it the same and give the same amount of experience between those two ages, there'd be some massive difference. That's what those studies fail to show. That's my whole problem with it. I mean, I, I haven't actually looked at studies. I don't know if you have. But I have. This would— this comes up quite often. And that's my whole problem with it is like, well, let's, let's see what would happen if, if we were able to demonstrate, well, we stopped it from 20 to 26, and they have the exact same experiences, how much of a different person would they be? That's a much larger question. So I'm not willing to just say, well, because the brain's not fully developed, the day they turn 26, they can go get what the— I think at least you would agree that, you know, an 18-year-old probably isn't as, as good at making, uh, judgments as a, as a 25, 26. Then should they be able to vote against a 26-year-old and cancel out their very well-informed vote? I mean, I, I don't know. I haven't thought— Well, if they should. If you're saying that, well, the experience of an 18-year-old woman is such that she could never make the same type of judgment call that a 50-year-old man can, fair enough. Then why should she be able to cancel out his vote? I mean, I, I've never stated that that I believe that she— That's why I asked. Should she? I, I mean, I don't know. I haven't thought about it. Well, you should think about it because this is the same type of argument. It's like, at what point are they an adult? And if they're an adult, are they an adult or are they not? And if they're not, when are they? And if they're not, what responsibility should they have or shouldn't they have? 'Cause I don't— I'm not willing to be like, "Well, Johnny, you can go to war, but you can't go after a 50-year-old woman." It's like, well, no, not so sure I'm willing to make that call. Or, you know, "Hey, Tim, yeah, sure, you got drafted, but you can't smoke till you're 21." Because, well, society's just said it gives him the ick. Right? It gives him the ick that you smoked him. Now go over and fight the enemies of the United States. That just seems absurd to me, you know what I mean? So when I look at it, I'm like, I mean, I agree with that. Yeah. If this is an experience-based thing, well, 18-year-old woman could be drafted. If an 18-year-old woman was drafted, then is she cognitive enough and smart enough to go out with a 50-year-old man? Should she be drafted at all? I think women should. But if they were, but let's just say that they were, that they should be drafted. Women like men were drafted. It's like, there's a war, right? We need you in the field. You're drafted, just like 18-year-old Johnny over there. Okay. Can she go for a 50-year-old man then? Is she, is she smart enough then to make those decisions? I think legally she should be able to. I, I agree with the legal age of 18 to set some age. So what's the moral argument? Well, the moral argument is like, everything is has is nuance. So I mean, you have to look at every moral argument is that everything is nuance. I'm saying things have nuance. So I know things have nuance. But there's no— We're just talking like, okay, here's a stock 18-year-old girl and a stock 50-year-old man. Like, I think there's a reason why people may get uncomfortable when they hear that, and I think it's valid. It probably comes out of a real— Do you think that your grandparents were uncomfortable with that? Your great-grandparents were uncomfortable with that? Because the answer is not really. It was not a, not a huge social issue of the time. I, I think it has been. Actually, no, it hasn't been. It was never a big social issue that there were these large age gaps. I know back like, like probably like 2,000 years ago, it wasn't. Well, let me give you a different example. Let's see. World War II. By the end of World War II, France's male population had been decimated, mostly the young men, because they just had two World Wars. The female population wasn't decimated. Age gaps were pretty wide, right? By necessity. How you going to procreate, right? There's no other men except— Except these. Is it immoral then? I'm not saying it's— I've never made the blunt statement that it's immoral, though, right? So I mean, if it's— But is it situationally immoral, or is it just really that it gives you the ick? I think it's situationally immoral. Like to try— It's a slightly different situation, but I'll try and make an example. You know, if there's a kid, like I have to be responsible with, with, uh, someone who's a minor. In other dimensions, do you know what I'm saying? No, but I want to be charitable to what you're saying. So I'm trying to think of a good example. But like a minor, another di— Do you mean like their cognitive function is, if they're 18, is like that of a 15-year-old? You have to look out for people younger than you, and and there's definitely a chance to take advantage of their innocence. So I think that's some— That I think that's generally what we're getting at, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. But you don't— There doesn't even need to be an age gap for that. You just take advantage of them anyway at the same age. Can take advantage of them. I mean, there's obviously a serious problem with taking advantage of people who are much younger than you because of their lack of experience. But there would be a serious problem for anybody to take advantage of anybody for any reason, right? What do you mean? So, like, let's say a 50-year-old guy is taking advantage of the ni— of a 19-year-old girl in order to, I don't know, get her to do whatever the hell it is that he wants versus a 21-year-old guy. I see why it's immoral. Moral. Just because the guy is 50 versus 21, I don't see what the difference is. I would think he would know better. Better than the 21-year-old. But but I'm just saying, it seems like it's just equally bad to me. Doesn't seem like there's— This was more bad to that because like a 20-year-old, 20-year-old doesn't have as much experience as a 50-year-old. I think they would know better. Just my general sense. Get— Yeah, I get it. I understand what you're saying. But you could have a 25-year-old and a 24-year-old girl, and he is vastly more intelligent and vastly more experienced than she is. Usually not though. But you could. And there's no ick there. The only would be in the distinction for age, and it's only due to like some kind of preference. But if we were to look at the immoral action, a 50-year-old man takes advantage of a 19-year-old girl, it's like, oh yeah, that's bad. But if a 21-year-old takes advantage of an 18-year-old girl, that's still just as bad. And also, as a 50-year-old man, wouldn't you want somebody who has a little more experience? I don't know what their preferences are. But the question, the question to me is not even the question to me is not why do you prefer this thing X, but whether or not is this thing even a problem? So is it actually even a problem that a 50-year-old might— You usually see people together who are roughly the same age. I think that's because they grew up in the same era, that as peers, you tend to be able to connect on a lot more. So I think maybe that's why. Okay, maybe something's off there. Maybe that's a red flag. Unless this social circle becomes reduced due to external, external factors, like for instance, war. If 40 or 50% of your male population, young male population, totally decimated, now you have these extreme age gaps. Now it's necessary. So in that case, is that okay? Yeah, I think that's fair. Well, then if that's okay, you're really just saying there's nothing really immoral here. I never said it was. Never. If there's nothing immoral, then why do we care? That's my question. It's definitely a red flag. Okay, well, now that's fair. Right? You can say it's a red flag or something that you would look out for. That's fair enough. But I'm just saying, I don't see a problem with it per se. Not necessarily. Which I've— So your thoughts? Uh, I think as long as both parties are consenting adults, and it's fine. There you have it. There you have it. Going back to some of you who said that you find it predatory or icky, do you care to elaborate on your answers? How is it predatory? So, well, I'd like to not exactly change my answer, but I'll add more. I think it's different if two people meet, they don't know how old they are, they happen to have a connection, and then, you know, like, it, it just, it happens to be a pretty large age gap. But if, like, an older man and older woman is purposefully going on dating apps and making their age range very young, like purposely looking for these younger women, that's when it feels pretty predatory because you're actively seeking someone way younger than you. Or if you have some type of age cut-off. Wait, an age cut-off? Yeah, like if you're like, "Oh, I don't want." So you would— You would date a 70-year-old man? No. What are you doing with this age cut-off? No, I'm— If you didn't know his age, it would make it okay then, right? He only thought he was 45? No, but what I'm saying is, like, let's say you meet someone and they happen to be, I don't know, whatever age kind, like a lot of men have like 30 or, yeah, like 30, they're older than 30, and you're like, "No," even though they're closer to your own age, that means you want them to be significantly younger than you. So, what if a man, he's in his 40s, he wants to start a family? Okay? He hasn't been able to for whatever reason. Okay? Maybe he's been like long-term in the military, maybe he has other things going on, right? He has not been able to, but he's accrued a ton of resources. So he starts researching, goes online, he's like, "How can I have a nice big family? What are the things I should be looking for?" Do you think fertile woman would be one of those big criteria for that? If you want to have a family, fertility in women would be a big one, right? What are the other options? Yeah, well, first of all, there, even though the percentage of women that are still fertile is less as they get older, there still are some. Or if you really want children, if you wanted to have nine kids, you probably wouldn't want to marry a 30-year-old, right? But if you want children that badly, you could adopt. Adoption. Yeah. But you could also marry a 25-year-old. There are also women who freeze their eggs. Yeah, I know. But, but what if you, again, you could just marry a fertile 25-year-old too. He could be a 40-year-old man and go, "Well, he's 25, so I get the maximum amount of fertility. I want to have seven, eight kids." But then why weren't you trying to start that family? Maybe just because you were trying to accrue resources. So you could. And then if the 25-year-old says, "Yeah, you have the resources, I really dig you, I think you're great, uh, I want to give you nine kids." I could not imagine anybody at this table could ever give me a single problem with that from a moral standpoint, ever. I don't think it would even be possible. Wait, I have a question. So, well, let's let her respond before. Do you have a response? He's— Well, I, I want to hear what H— is say. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. So Andrew said he doesn't think anybody at this table would be able to raise an objection over— I don't think anybody in this country could raise an objection to this from a moral standpoint that would be in any way coherent. But I would love to hear it. I, if I can add on to your question without raising an actual argument or objection, do you find the scenario that he painted predatory or icky? 40-year-old, 25-year-old? A little bit. Yeah. Okay. A 40-year-old with a 25-year-old? Correct. Um, her prefrontal cortex is fully developed at this point, bear in mind. Close enough, anyway. Um, no, no, no, no. Who cares? They're both happy. Yeah. It's beau— It's beautiful. Go ahead. What's your question? So I was just asking for a friend, do you think it's, do you think that from a woman's perspective, having kids at 25 with someone who is 40 is disadvantageous? I can't figure out how it would be disadvantageous from a logical standpoint. It could be from, some kind of preferential stand— How old is Henry Cavill? Cavill? They could say for instance, um, 40. Wait, can I jump in here really quick? You're, you know who Henry Cavill is? Nick, could you Google Henry Cav— Superman. Superman. Superman. Yeah. Thanks. Uh, The Witcher, The Tudors. If anybody, I don't know if anybody knows the great actor. Oh, I know him. Yeah. Uh, very handsome man. 40 years old. Didn't he play Superman too? Yeah. Superman. Yeah. So what, what was your question? The 40-year-old and the 25-year-old. I was asking, do you think it's disadvantageous for a 25-year-old woman to have babies? Let me ask, do you think it would be disadvantageous for a 25-year-old woman to have children with Henry Cavill? No. Do you think, do you think a lot of 25-year-old women would jump at the chance to be with Henry C— Forget that for a second. Let me ask this easier. Let's say, for somehow, I don't know how, okay, but they froze sperm from a guy from 1915 who died, okay? 1915. They had the frozen sperm, and a woman wanted to become a mother, right? And she looked through and she's like, "Oh, I really want this guy from 1915. I want to have his babies." Right? And so she like artificially inseminated herself and she had the baby. Okay. Well, didn't she actually have a child then with a dude who's like over 100 years old? No, no. Well, wait, I'm a little confused by this one myself. Didn't she— If you freeze the sperm, uh, right? They're like, they're frozen, yeah. So it's not like it's this 100-year-old, like, living man. It's his 18-year-old sperm or something, I guess. Well, what if it's his 50-year-old sperm? I don't know. That seems like— What if they froze it when he's 90? But it's just sperm. It's not like you're having intercourse. Yeah, you don't have a relationship with that person. And like what you were saying earlier, so then if if that's true, then is that saying that you can be in a relationship with an 80-year-old man and as long as you don't have intercourse with him and you're just like, I don't know, he off in a cup and you inseminate yourself, then that relationship then is fine? Or no? No, this, this is what I mean. Like, think that I think she says kinds of nuance, and I'm like, let's see if we can find the craziest nuance we can. An 80-year-old off in a cup is pretty crazy. It's pretty nuanced. Yeah, pretty nuanced. Yeah. But can, can I ask you something? So you were grilling Hie a little bit when she was talking about wanting these like material things from a man, blah, blah, whatever. And then she brought up children, and you were like, "That's a material thing as well." And now you're saying, "Material conditions for children." Yeah. Yeah. Now you're saying, so you're like, "Oh, it's wrong." I don't know if this is what you meant, but this is how it sounded like, that it's not good to just seek someone for these material things. But then in your scenario, when you're talking about this 40-year-old man actively seeking someone younger just for the material thing being the children, that you— What happened? She asked, "Would it be disadvantageous for a 25-year-old woman?" Right? To, um, get, you know, get married to a 40-year-old man and have his baby, babies? I can't think of how that would be disadvantageous. But I'm talking about what we were talking about like a couple hours ago. Yeah, but you're conflating two different things. So the question which was asked is, "How would this be disadvantageous?" I don't see how it could be disadvantageous. I mean, I don't think it's disadvantageous per se, but I still think that like, if the only reason you're trying to like build a relationship with someone younger than you is to have children with them, then that's like, why would you do that? To perpetuate, to perpetuate the human species so people like you can be alive? No, but the other core values that you were talking about earlier, like integrity and loyalty and all that, like, you can have all of those things together. You can. But what if you can't find that? And you only find like— That's pretty hard to find virtuously. Okay, so you mean, what happens if you can't find a virtuous woman at the age of 25? Yeah. So are you just going to settle for someone who you don't have that same connection with, but they're 25 children? Or would you rather be with someone who's older? So now, if you want to make the shift from whether or not it's disadvantageous, and you're talking specifically about the core of relationship dynamic for preference, and you're like, "Is it, is the preference for this guy to to only have nine kids?" If that's the case, then I guess he could compromise on his values. But if the preference is not that, if the preference is he wants to have nine kids and a virtuous woman, then yeah, he might have to compromise on his standards. I don't see how he, how he wouldn't be, you know what I mean? As far as looks and this type of thing, or am I misinterpreting your question, or am I getting something wrong here? Well, just 'cause you were saying that like a 40-year-old man who really wants a family, like really, really badly, they're going to only look at younger women because they have a higher chance of being fertile and being able to give you those ch— No, I'm not saying they only would, but I would— Why they would? Can I play devil's advocate from my original point on this topic? So if I am an hot 25-year-old woman, okay, and this 40-year-old man wants me to have his kids, don't you think that he should be providing for us to have— For me to even consider having his kids? Or no? I think that he should be in a position in which he can provide for the children and his family, especially at almost 15, get 15 years older. Mmm. Does that mean taking to the Bahamas and giving you $10,000? Or— I never said give $10,000. Is that $10,000 a month for you to go ziplining and hang gliding? That's providing for you and the kids. No, no, it's not. No, it's not. Y'all taking my words out of my mouth. What I'm just saying, I'm just saying is like, at that dinosaur age, you should— Wow. You, you should be doing more than if I'm gonna go have kids with somebody my age. That's just my take. That you should be doing more. Yeah. Do you think that, do you think that a man who is in his 40s, who by your own admission, is going to have more resources than a man at 25, you'd have— You don't, you think he'd be better to provide for your children? No, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. Well, then he is doing more. No, I'm just asking. He's just not doing more for you. He's doing more for the offspring, just not for you. So by default, that you don't get the pearls, you know, the kids get new clothes. That's that's how it goes, you know? You don't get the pearls, you don't get the big diamond. The kids get the school, the kids get the better education, kids get the better life. That sounds like a sad life. I will just— It sounds like a sad life to prefer— To make the preferences, the children over yourself. No, why can't we all have a beautiful life? Well, I mean, what you could, right? You, you can have it all, right? You can have five kids and $10,000 Bahama vacations, is just kind of everything you want. It doesn't cost $10,000 princess treatment. Okay, princess treat— A couple questions here. Dude, with bricks with gold in their pockets just waiting. They can't wait to have nine, nine kids. Oh, a couple things here. Okay. No. And our family, yeah. Men want women who are passionate and ambitious. Even if that means, you know, being a, a wife and and homemaker and raising your children. Don't give a [ __ ] about ambition. So you don't want— You think that men care about ambition? They don't care about women's ambitions. So you want to be with somebody who doesn't have any goals in life? I didn't say goals. I said ambition. You don't need to have be ambitious like you— Ambition. I don't think you understand what ambition means. Why don't you tell me? Go ahead. Tell them what I'm not good at, uh, definitions on the fly at all. So I thought I didn't know what it meant. What the [ __ ] I mean, I, I don't think you do. But just— Oh, I guess. Well, I know you don't. I know for sure you don't. You can't even tell me what it means. Being able to describe something, something, and write, you know, what it means in a dictionary is not the same thing. But you, you said you asked him, he doesn't know what you mean by ambition. So he's asking you to define it. Yeah, ambition is having goals. I can Google it if you want. I can Google that. That would be great. But ambition is having goals and and seeking to, you know, uh, rise above where you're at, you know, building skills, you know, having a goal and trying to reach it. Andrew, do you, when you say you don't, men don't care about ambition, do you mean it within the context of like career achievement, academic achievement? What I'm talking about is, 'cause what if a woman's ambitious for a family? Like, you would agree that that would be— She's— She wants— Well, not even. Again, we need to kind of narrow down what we mean here when we're talking about ambition. So for me, when I'm, when I'm thinking about ambition, I'm thinking of, I want to have stellar achievement. I want to have something which I'm, which I'm moving towards, which is to rise above some station or to move towards this kind of overtly worthy thing. Generally speaking, men don't give a [ __ ]. Like, if you start out a good cook and you end up a good cook, they don't fing care. They don't care. They don't give a [ __ ]. They don't want— You don't need to become a better and better cook. They don't give a [ __ ]. They they don't care. Like, if you're just good enough, you're good enough. They don't give a [ __ ]. I've never seen any of them say, "Nope, you got to be, you got to, you got to really—" Before, hold on. I want her I want to give her an opportunity to respond. You seem to disagree with Andrew. Do you want to— I think generally speaking, people seek, uh, a partner who does have goals. And goals are what give your life meaning. Can on goals. Let, let me commend. But it doesn't have to be job-related at all. So I think something that I have goals. I want to, I want to be a homesteader. I want to, I want to raise a family. Like, I want to become a better cook. You brought up cooking. Like, I think we— Why does a man care about those goals though? Because you want to be a homesteader because he would like to do so as well for— Okay, so then, so it's his goals. It's his goals. But I, I think the context of the, the context of the conversation is occupational, career, educational achievement. That's the context. Not— And Andrew, maybe has differing views on this. I don't object to a woman who is desirous or has goals to having a family. But I don't think that's what I'm just saying about what what is cared about, what the preference is. But let's keep it within the context of career success, financial, uh, educational achievement. Men in those realms, men don't really care about women's ambition in that regard. No, I think I, I agree on that. Oh, it was just unclear when you said, you know, "Men don't care if women have ambitions." I, I just— Okay, here, let's not linger long because I want to try to wrap. But for the men, so say for example, right? You meet this girl and, um, she has, she's in school for something long-term, but like, you guys both mutually decide like y'all want to start, settle down, and start a family. Do you think that she should forfeit her career for a potential husband and family? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What about you? What about me? The, like, what should do? Should the woman forfeit her career for a potential family and husband? Should she? Well, it depends what the arrangement is going to be. Do you want to have one kid, two kids, three kids, four? If, if her standard is going to be, "Well, while I'm pregnant, I don't want to be in the workforce, and then during those early years, I don't want to, uh, be in the workforce, and then I also want to have three, four, five kids." You are going to forfeit your career. So remember the example. And well, and if I can give my own perspective, if I can give my own perspective, let's say I want to have seven sons, and I'm a high earner, and you want to go pursue your career where at the top end of your career, you're going to be making $75,000 a year, and I'm making, say, I'm making seven, seven figures a year. No, think you should take care of the kids. So why, why do that career if I can provide? I agree. So in the example that we were saying, like, remember the 25-year-old having kids and then the 40-year-old man, right? So say the 25-year-old is just starting her career, and all of a sudden the 40-year-old wants kids. Should she just like stop because she's obviously very early in her career? Should she just— Should she just stop what she's doing? Yes. But you can have a career and have children at the same— You can also not have a career and take care of your children at the same time. You can do both. None of these are mutually exclusive. So her, should her, what should what's optimal? What's optimal is you listen to your 40-year-old husband. If he tells you, "Stay at home and watch the kids," then you stay at home and you watch the kids. It's simple. If I could play devil's advocate for one— You're such a misogynist. You are just a misogynist. And whatever podcast being a feminist platform does not appreciate your— She asked, she just like the ask is, what thing should be done? If the husband wants this thing, yes, from my worldview, yeah, you need to do what ultimately your husband tells you to do. I am sorry. I, I do want to try to wrap up relatively soon, so I'm just going to try to get through some of our last talking points here.