Are Reptilian Aliens Walking Amongst Us? | Shaun Attwood

How everybody? Welcome back to the Shaun Outwood channel. I'm Ron Swanson and we are live with Timothy Alberino and we're going to be diving into his work as not only an explorer and an author, but looking into some of the mythology of the world that kind of bridges some of the things we know with the past. And uh Timothy, Tim, thank you so much for being here. Uh please give us a little introduction and tell us a little bit about yourself before we we dive into this.

It's my pleasure to be with you. Uh it's always difficult to give an introduction >> to try and explain to people what it is that I do. Uh I'm an author, I'm a researcher, investigative researcher and explorer. Uh and I've been working in those capacities for about 12 years now. Um, and uh, my interests are are wide ranging from biblical topics to UFOs and aliens and giants and alternative history and everything in between.

Yeah, that's like you kind of just got me pulled in there uh, for a second there, Tim. And I imagine, right, I mean, I just want to jump into straight asking you questions if I'm going to be honest, Tim. Right. Because if you've been exploring and you've seen things that, you know, I would imagine people don't tend to see often, right? And we've seen these depictions of UFOs and carvings and we've seen odd things that have popped up in the mainstream. Before we get into our main topics, what would you say stands out to you as being your memorable moments from throughout your exploring over these 12 years >> in regard to the UFO topic? Well, in in regard to things that have really made you question what you've known, you know, or have put uh or or bridged two things together, there must have been a couple of moments for you that have just made you go, "Oh my god."

Um I discovered a lost city along with my colleague uh Anom Pramla back in 2018, Peru. Uh which we we're not sure if it's a lost Inca city or if it's a city belonging that was built by the Chachropa people. Um, >> that's pretty. >> So, that's always making discoveries like that is always exciting. Um, but I would say that probably the most impactful thing I've ever done in regard to solidifying my worldview is was my investigation into giants on the island of Sardinia, which I' I've been to Sardinia, I think, three times, and I've done extensive investigations there, including interviewing firsthand witnesses, people who dug up the bones of giants with their own hands. And uh multiple people, many people I interviewed, many of whom were no longer alive because they're el they were elderly when I interviewed them. And just the the the stories that they told me were were unbelievable. Um and and have and have stuck with me all these years. And that's really what has served to establish in my own mind the >> wow >> more than anything else the absolute reality of giants uh that giants once were once walked the earth and I think still do to some extent. Um, we're talking about you know, humanoid people who are nine between 9 and 15 feet tall. So a giant in the true sense not the NBA sense. That's incredible.

I would say that yeah, that that probably was the most impactful just to hear testimony after testimony. >> And we're definitely dealing with with humanoid giants, not with dinosaurs and giant sloths and mammoths and so forth, not with megapa because >> yeah, >> in most of these cases, the the the giants were accompanied by um artifacts and and were wearing jewelry, necklaces, >> rings around their fingers and so forth. So, we're definitely dealing with humanoid giants.

That's incredible. I'm a I'm a big believer in the giants, so I'm a very easy sale uh on all of this, Tim. And again, it kind of blows your mind. Finding a lost city, you know, finding witnesses to living giants with and and artifacts and bones. It like for a lot of people, they just get spoonfed what we're told. And we get it. so much of uh falsehoods fed to us about our own histories, right? Why do you think there is this huge cover up, Timothy, and this huge denial uh from the powers that be about this existence? Is it just about it's easier to control all knowledge than to let some of the reality slip into >> are we talking about the existence of giants? >> Yeah, let's go specifically about the existence of >>

Well, you know, I've tried to answer this question. This is the question I get asked the most in regard to this topic and the answer is difficult because on the face of it it does there does there's not it doesn't seem logical that the existence of giants would be covered up. People have suggested that uh they cover the existence of giants up because it would confirm or affirm the biblical narrative. That's true to some extent but it affirms the >> the testimony of ancient people generally speaking. It it affirms the testimony of of of certainly the cultures that were living in the ancient near east all of whom had legends of giants, right? I mean, everyone's familiar with Gilgamesh and the epic of Gilgamesh. >> Yeah. >> The Sumerian legend, but everyone had legends of giants. The ancient Egyptians, the Greeks, the Romans, all of them. Um, so it confirms the ubiquitous testimony of history in regard to giants, not just specifically the Hebrew account. Um, so that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Um, the other the other idea is that it would that it would create a problem for the theory of evolution by natural selection. I'm not sure that that's true. I think that you could easily create I'm not I don't subscribe to I'm not a Darwinist. I don't subscribe to evolution by natural selection. But but an evolutionist could easily create a branch from Giganto Pythecus. Yeah. Right. From the from the gigantic uh ape >> and say, "Oh, these giants must have evolved from from Giganto Pythecus or something like that. It wouldn't be difficult to >> um to shoehorn the the giants into the evolutionary tree. So that's not very compelling to me either. The only thing that I can surmise at this point is that the occult is involved. That the giants are are used in occultic practices. the remains.

Um, this has to do with Canaan Canaanite necromancy and the summoning of of the spirits of dead giants, which according to legend, not just according to Hebrew legend, but also according broadly speaking, Canaanite and ancient Neareastern leg legends that the spirits of dead giants can be summoned, perhaps even harnessed. And this is why you see the the gigantic tombs, megalithic tombs associated with giants. Um, oftentimes, you know, people are familiar with dolmans. Uh, but but also tombs which have chambers inside of them and there's no bodies in them because the purpose of the tomb was to was for a right of passage, right of incubation to summon the spirits of the dead heroes, the mighty the mighty men of your giants in most cases uh and commune with them and perhaps even uh perhaps even be possessed by them. And the benefits of that, you know, if you're a warrior or society, being possessed by the spirit of a giant, you know, would be very advantageous. >> Absolutely. >> So, and this is just that's just a reality. I mean, Canaanites have summoning rituals to summon the Nephilim rather, more specifically, to summon the Raphaim, which were giants, which were particular giant clan in uh in the land of Canaan. and uh and that you can find these summoning texts among the the Ugaritic texts where they're summoning various Raphaim by name. And so I think that we're looking at an occult conspiracy and and I kind of hate to say that because it see it seems so over the top, but but really it's the only thing that makes sense to me because the other two explanations don't hold water. There's something deep and dark here. This is this topic is it appears to be seemingly the most classified topic at least personally that I've run into. I mean, as I always say on these interviews, I've met a lot of people in the government or whistleblowers who are willing to talk about aliens and, you know, behind the scenes, off the record, willing to talk about aliens and UFOs and reverse engineering programs and all of that crash recovery stuff, but they're always, not the ones that I've broached this topic with, the topic of giants, they're always reticent. They're always they're always nervous to talk about giants or won't or simply will not. Especially the Kandahar giant incident. That that one really seems to trigger a lot of red flags with people. And um I've had that story confirmed to me by several sources, one of them quite high level. And the J Kahar giant is a contemporary giant. Well, it's a we're talking about 200 the year 2005. See that name again? The Kennagar giant.

The Kandahar giant. Yeah, the Kandahar giant. That's is it's been around for a long time. Sort of an internet legend at this point. The story was originally broke by my my colleague at the time named Steve Quail who's who's a author primarily occupied with the subject of giants. and he was contacted by an elderly woman who wanted him to talk to her son who was active duty who's an active duty pilot, cargo pilot. He flew primarily um C130s and ultimately um Steve was able to get in contact with this man and and and I was able to interview him. Steve and I were able to interview him for a documentary film. Wow. um back in um I think it was 2016 or 2015 when we interviewed him >> and and so he told us a firsthand account of flying into and he showed us by the way all of his credentials he was >> somehow managed to not hear anything. I mean I'm sure the side chat knows because the internet is buzzing with this. It was apparently >> been around for a long time and I'll tell you what um every time I talk about this people asking me about it all the time now. Every time I talk about it, um, the bots come out in force. I mean, the the the need to to be to debunk this story >> major major. It would be major. >> Well, for whatever reason, I mean, I can talk about whatever. I can talk about crash retrieval stuff, gray aliens, alien abduction, all kinds of stuff all day long. But as soon as I bring up the Kandahar giant, um the reaction is vitriolic and people say, you know, there's no proof. This story's been debunked. Um I've I mean, uh it it's not just one story, by the way. It's not the Kandahar giant. There's one particular incident that I talk about, the one that that pilot told us, but it's it's the Kandahar giants. There's a there's a clan of giants living in the cave systems in Afghanistan. And and I would bet my house on it. >> Okay? because I've talked to I've talked to operators and I've talked to um you know SF operators but also uh high level individuals individuals in the air force for example who were commanders uh who had personal encounters with these things and and and others. So the story >> wow >> um the story has not been debunked and the the individual that I interviewed was not it's not secondhand it's not rumor he literally flew the body out of Bram picked it up >> flew it out of Bram delivered it to Qatar it was a it was by the way it was 10 to 12 feet tall 1100 lb right here >> just like that image there read here that image up it it was uh it delivered when he arrived on the tarmac when he landed the he he arrived in a C130 to pick up a high value asset and he was met on the tarmac by what he thinks were military intelligence um were rather either army or air force intelligence and he called them the babysitters because they stayed with the body and it was uh delivered on a pallet um and and you know the load master had to wait before went before it went onto the C130 and it it weighed 1100 lb the the guy when you subtracted the weight of the pallet the guy weighed >> 1100 lb and they estimated his head at 10 to 12 feet tall I mean the pallet's about nine I think I think those air force pellets are nine by I want to say 14 >> feet and he was in the fetal position he was hanging off the pallet six fingers six toes red hair >> six fingers six toes >> six fingers six toes red hair and and pale skin Again, >> you're going to notice in the comments of your video, you're going to know notice you're going to notice an inordinate amount of vitriolic commentary regarding this incident. It's like it's it's just automatically generated whenever the Kandahar giant incident is brought up. For whatever reason, it's very very highly classified. It's interesting because the two big things I can remember over the last couple of years where there's been giant footage on Tik Tok or on social media, there has been very public removals and denials of the footage that's been put out in a way that doesn't happen with UFOs or, you know, the lights in the sea or anything like that. So, now that you mention that, there does seem to be a much tighter lid on the lore of the giant than anything else in the in the and I dare I dare to say these words, right? But forgive my uneducated phrases, but you know, the paranormal, the crypted, the unexplained world, right? It seems they they do keep a lid on this. And you know when you mentioned the occult, do you think perhaps we go to the occult because we know that you know the there's evidence of the occult existing and all of this, but do you think maybe it's thing is have you ever seen any evidence of things to point towards dimensional reasons or shifting between realities or a reason like that that the cover up could be because >>

Well, I don't really know anything about that. All I can tell you is that is that you know, we're dealing with flesh and blood giants >> and in in in these instances where the bodies are discovered, right? But but but there's also a a spiritual or if you like supernatural element to this >> in which as I said before the spirits of the giants seem to persist in the world and can be summoned can be uh can be invoked in these rituals. Um certainly as I said the ancient can the Canaanites believed this, the Hebrews believed it and generally speaking in the ancient near east this was this was a tradition concerning dead giants and um it's the root of this idea is found in the book of Enoch because in the book of Enoch uh when God judges the watchers these angelic beings who descended to the earth and populated with human women and progenerated a race giants in the earth. When God decided to judge the watchers and their offspring, part of the judgment of the giants was that when they died that their spirits would would persist in the world as vagabon wraiths, as disembodied wraiths, and that they would that they would experience all of the desires of the flesh. They would be hungry. They would be thirsty. Assumably, they would have sexual desire, but but without bodies through which to satiate to satisfy these desires. And so they seek to inhabit bodies. And so these are um the these are disembodied conscious beings who are in a state in an unnatural state. By the way, this is a curse who are in a state of torment. And you'll recall that this is actually the premise of the first Pirates of the Caribbean movie. Remember Barbosa and his crew? They had the Mayan gold curse where >> they all all Barbosa wanted to do was to be able to bite that apple >> and to be able to enjoy >> the the the pleasures of of of corporal reality, but he couldn't because, you know, when during a full moon it was revealed that they were wraiths and they couldn't eat or drink or they couldn't enjoy anything. And that's precisely the curse of the of the spirits of the Nephilim, of the dead giants according to the book of Enoch. And generally speaking, so it's it's certainly the Anoic tradition, but generally speaking, the traditions of the Levant at the very least the traditions of the Levant of the Canaanites and the other um clans, many of whom were giants, giant clans that were inhabiting the land of Canaan during certainly during the con before and during and then to some extent after the conquest of Canaan by Joshua and the Hebrews.

Yeah, it's it's an incredible topic. Uh Tim, I'm not going to lie. I'm I'm quite new to the to the to the the flesh and blood reality um and the realness of of stories like yours, you know, that have there's some real weight behind them. Can I just one more question on giants? What's your take on Admiral Bird's story and the ice wall, the center of the earth, and >> the the narrative of larger creatures dwelling under our feet.

So, uh, obviously Operation High Jump was real. They went down there and according to Admiral Bird's own testimony, they encountered flying saucers, >> a craft that could go pipole, you know, in the blink of an eye. Um, and uh, they they there was some sort of a of a of a kinetic encounter with with something. Uh, I think that their their main purpose was to go down there and dislodge a Nazi base. I think there was a Nazi submarine base down there. Or at least that's what that's what was believed that the Nazis had constructed a base under the ice because they went down there with they Admiral Bird had some uh some military assets with them, some naval assets. So it wasn't just an exploration expedition. It was a it was a military expedition and um in in fact I don't recall the exact details but they I believe they lost a couple of those assets in some kind of a sorty with uh with with an adversary and and that adversary had flying saucers. So um or at least there were flying saucers involved or monitoring the situation. Nobody really knows now. Uh that all of that is historical fact. Uh what we don't know is whether or not Admiral Bird's diaries are real. And in Admiral Bird's diaries, there's this very colorful story of Admiral Bird flying over this particular area in Antarctica where he sees that the the ice retreats and it's this very lush verdant area and he sees mammoths walking around down there and other kinds of megapa >> and it's this very elaborate story where they land and they go down into the inner earth and they encounter >> different entities and so forth. It reads like fiction because I personally think it is fiction. You think I'm not convinced that the Admiral Bird diaries are real? I mean, it it read it doesn't it doesn't read like a military man writing a an account of what he encountered. It reads like fiction. So, um I'm doubtful that the Admiral Bird diaries are real, although obviously the the Operation High Jump was very real and the fact that they encountered flying saucers, it's it's a matter of history.

Mhm. Well, let's let's I tell you what, Tim, I could sit and talk to you about giants all night. I'll be honest with you. I would love to specifically get you back to just really drill into more on giants. I'm uh they're very very at the center of my heart with a lot of things that I do and it would be great to know more. But look, flying saucers, aliens, reptilians, hybrids, humanoids, where should we begin? Okay? Because it it's a topic that people can argue that we're talking about aliens, off-worlders, people argue about interdimensional beings. We talk about ancient races that walk among us. Where do you sit? What have you seen throughout your work, whether it's exploration or stories, whether it's paintings or archives that reference this reptilian grasp that seems to have its its mittens around our planet, if you ask in opinions of many?

Well, let me talk about what I think is is likely to be true. >> Sure. >> In all of this, because there's obviously, as you well know, there's a >> the subject of eupfology is vast and there's a lot of lore in there, some of which is substantiated and but most of which is not. So, so let's again, let's frame this in what I what I believe to be true or likely to be true. I think is the best way to phrase it. >> Sure. >> I think that there are we I think that we are interacting with >> four at the very least with four different races, four different species of beings, if you will. >> Okay. >> Um and the the first three I'm I have a high degree of confidence. The fourth not so much. But let's let's enumerate them. So the the the first one is of course the gray alien. Um, I I can I would say that my degree of confidence with the gray alien is is my perspective is it's it's a stone cold fact. Gray aliens exist. They're real. They're biological beings. They crash. They die. Um, and the gray aliens are are are members of a particular faction. They're not um they're not in in in charge, so to speak. Uh the gray aliens are are appear to be the small ones because there's also tall grays which is kind of a a different thing but the the small grays typical gray alien that's about three and a half four feet tall. Um, they appear to be managed by a another species which Dr. David Jacobs denominates the insectalins sometimes called mantids. Um the I personally think that the insectins manufacture the grays that they they genetically engineer them.

Yeah, that's that's the story that that we've that I've landed on is that the grays are soulless drones created as a worker force >> is why I don't know if they're soulless, but there's they they I think they're I think they may be some kind of cybernetic drone. I'm just assuming a cybernetic component. There may not be one, but they certainly at the very least seem to be clones >> and and and they're being genetically engineered by the insecttoolins. And so that's one faction. Grays and insecttoins. The insectalins are the managers of the abduction program. And that's primarily the activity of the grays on planet Earth is the abduction program. It's interesting that you mention the the the combination of like machine and and and and flesh, right, with the cybernetic side of it because the mantis are often referred to as those that like to play around with DNA and machinery and technology and kind of bring it together, right? So, it's interesting that you're landed on the same notes that other other individuals that I've talked with have.

Well, I derive this perspective directly from the abduction material. And when I cite abduction material, I'm talking about primarily Bud Hopkins, Carla Turner, and David Jacobs along with some others such as Barbara Bartholik and and to some extent John Mack. But but primarily Hopkins, Turner, and Jacobs. And I think that their work in in some regards is unimpeachable. And they all sort of drew the same conclusion. And I say sort of because um um they let's let's put it this way. They all define the same phenomenon and the phenomenon of course is alien abduction. And it it it it it it's apparent in their work that the insectilins are the managers of the program.

And aside from that, I myself know many abductees. Abductees come to me all the time. And abduction is ongoing. By the way, there's a there's a persistent myth on social media that abductions have stopped or that have shifted from physical to non-physical or some nonsense. Not true. Abductions are still happening. Um, we're talking about the the the physical abduction experience. Alien abduction is is a physical experience in every way. I mean, you're physically removed from your environment. It's not astral projection. It's not a supernatural experience. It's not, you know, like tripping on DMT. you are physically removed from your whatever environment you happen to be in. Even if it's in the midst, you could be in a you could be at a party and grays can abduct you. They switch everybody off at the party and they take you. And when I say switch everybody off, everybody sort of goes into a a state of of um what would be the right way to explain this? Maybe something like a comeomaosse. >> Yep. >> And um and then when the abductee has returned, everyone is just switched back on. Um the grays do this all the time and uh there's no reason to believe that the that the program is is has ended. So the experience is physical. You are physically transported onto a physical craft and then you are subjected to physical procedures on board that craft and those procedures relate to the produ to the uh production of human alien hybrids. again under the management of the insectins. The insectulins are managing the program. Uh and again uh this comes from the abduction material. And a lot of people are very skeptical skeptical about this information because they think I'm pulling it out of thin air. No, no, no. There's a there's there's voluminous data that lends itself to scientific inquiry and that is in again to some extent I would describe it as unimpeachable. I mean the the the phenomenon is well documented. The details of the the contours of this phenomenon are well documented. That doesn't mean that everything is known about it, but at the very least we we know that abductions are hereditary and that the and that the um the manifest one of the manifest objectives is to produce human alien hybrids. So, and by the way, in their most advanced stage, indistinguishable from us. So, there's there's a covert operation happening here. Uh, the the program is clandestine. Okay.

So, that's one group, right? Grace and Grace. I said there's four groups because I'm echoing Eric Davis's um comment to Dr. uh rather Dr. Eric Davis uh when asked by Congressman Eric Berles at a meeting at uh in Capitol Hill what were the what were the various aliens? What were the factions? Davis said there's four. And I agree with him except there's it there's four different things that I'm that I'm that I'm enumerating here, but there's actually three factions. So the grays and the insecttoins are one faction. Uh and then you have of course the Nordics or the the Plleadenss um who are the taller, you know, um very comely looking beings. They look they look like us pretty much except for except for their most people describe them as being as being more handsome than human beings. Um and they usually have blonde or golden blonde hair and fair skin and and clear eyes and so forth. Um, and then and then finally you have this group that you referenced earlier called the reptilians or the reptoids. And uh that's the that's the group that seems to be there there's the least amount of data. I mean it's it all is it's very nebulous as it pertains to these things. Um and whether or not they exist I don't know. I suspect that they do, but there's but there's there's nothing again there's very little data that you could cite. Like when I when I say data, you I was referencing the abduction material. That's data. Whether people like it or not, it is data. Um the the abduction stories are consistent and they're consistent across cultures >> and it's and and the testimonies when when collected they're and and um when when abductees are interviewed by competent abduction researchers which >> I don't really know of any alive today. David Jacobs is still alive but he's no he's retired. Um you always get the same story from them. So you when when it's done competently because you have to be able to circumvent the screen memories which surface first when you talk to an abductee as I said the program is clandestine they're not supposed to remember the abduction experience so they have false memories planted in their minds uh sort of as a firewall >> and those are called screen memories you said right >> screen memories that's right so but but the um the reptilians you know everything I've heard about reptilians is all very fanciful um Now, there are a couple of instances in rep in which reptilians show up in in the abduction material. I can think of one instance in particular with Ted Rice, who's still alive. Ted was the subject in Carla Turner's book, Masquerade of Angels. >> Okay. And uh Ted um Ted had a a without going into Ted's story, he had some some very um visceral encounters with reptilians. Um but but again, I mean, it sounds crazy, right? It sounds like I'm too confident about this, right? Well, when you take the abduction material and then you compound it with the all of what we know about the crash retrieval program now, all the whistleblowers, things that are being said publicly, things that I've been told privately, we've recovered the bodies of grays >> and other things, not just gray aliens, other things, but but but certainly gray aliens in some of these craft. and um and I have no no reason to doubt people who give congressional testimony, but also things that I've been told behind the scenes. So, I think that's a very broad view. That's that's a very broad view of uh you know, the 35,000 ft perspective is we're at least dealing with a handful of different entities here. Now the nature of these entities, the providence of these entities and that could be debated. Although I would say this, NASA, I think it was what what was it two years ago? I can't remember the details. I'm very foggy on these details, but NASA >> basically admitted to the world that they had discovered evidence of microbial microbial life on the planet Mars. I don't know if you recall that.

I do recall that >> it didn't really make many waves. It was it sort of just it was it was a it was published in the media and then it disappeared. >> And it wasn't, if I recall, it wasn't so direct. It wasn't NASA making a a definitive statement, you know, declaring we found life on Mars. >> Rather, it was we think we might have found evidence >> of ancient microbial life sort of >> ancient micro microbial life on Mars. Microbial life on Mars. So >> there's just to back up what what Tim's talking about right there. You guys can pause it and watch this back if you want. >> Right. And and so so the reason why I bring that up is well I think I think that's much I think it's much more definitive actually than that. I think they have discovered >> and and not just ancient microbial life. I think they found >> that was from six days ago. So what you're talking about um is definitely I I remember hearing about this too, but for some reason that that that's from less than a week ago. Um, but you get that feeling, right, that they test the water. I feel like it's like they're testing the water with public reaction to the possibility of Yeah. Okay. Good. Right. Carry on. So, and so the idea here is that they >> by announcing that they maybe maybe they found microbial life on Mars, they're they're prepping the public for the announcement that yes, there was microbial life on Mars, which is the precursor for the next announcement. >> There was intelligent life on Mars, right? Or animal life and then intelligent life. So here we have um we have an extraaterrestrial context framework being being constructed in the background because if you have micro microbes on Mars that's extraterrestrial life. Now it's not sentient life. >> No but it's extraterrestrial life. >> Y >> and if you have microbes you may have all kinds of things. You may have had Mars probably had an ocean at one time that dissipated right because it lost its atmosphere. So what kind of creatures might have been in the sea on Mars? Right. So you you you are now firmly in an extraterrestrial context, are you not? >> I I Yep. I agree. I agree. >> So So I find it bizarre today in in it's this is a a trend of of our of you know, let's say um what's the new generations? Gen Gen X and and Gen Z or whatever. >> I have no idea, bro. It's the newcomers to eupfology in the last decade, really in the last five years. There's there's um there's droves of people who've entered the scene who've become interested in the in the topic of UFOs, UAP. I can't stand that terminology by that designation. Um but uh there's droves of new people who've come on board, so to speak, and they don't have the background. They don't have the foundation of all of the good eupfology that's that that that has been the foundational material that has been laid over decades by highly competent researchers um uh people like Stanton Freriedman um um and um Heinik and and and and Stringfield and and others who've done great work and of course all the the the the aforementioned abduction researchers and dozens of others who before this topic was popular risk their own careers and reputations to to research eupfology to track down sightings and stories and and abductions and and looking for physical evidence and talking about crash retrievals. See, that's a body of knowledge and it's foundational because what the whistleblowers have been testifying in Congress is an affirmation of what these eupfologists have been saying for decades. And so the problem now is that you have, as I said, droves of new people entering eupfology and they're they're they're gravitating towards these particular ideas in regard to the phenomenon. the ideas that are trendy that are getting the most play on social media. Those ideas being that aliens are interdimensional beings. >> Okay, >> aliens are time travelers. >> Okay. >> Um aliens are cryptoterrestrial, right? Everything except extra. >> What what is what is cryptoaterrestrial? So cryptoaterrestrial would be the crypto terrestrial hypothesis posits that there could be beings that are indigenous to the earth that have been um that have been inhabiting the earth um that have been inhabiting the earth surreptitiously with us for hundreds and thousands of years. >> Okay. So let's say for example, if we discover that gray aliens are in fact an aquatic species that have been that are that are indigenous to planet Earth and been and have been inhabiting the deep seas, right? But but but they've been hiding basically. They're they're therefore cryptoaterrestrial. They've been here all along, but they've been um their existence has been >> clandestine. Their activities have been clandestine, but nevertheless, they've been here all along. That's cryptoaterrestrial. >> That's not the only >> uh that's not the only possibility. There are others. For example, you could have an advanced anti-delivvian civilization. Let's for the sake of argument say that there was an Atlantean civilization that was quite advanced before the great cataclysm. The flood destroyed their civilization, but there were survivors >> and those survivors went underground or to some inaccessible place on Earth. Antarctica or something because of you know by way of their advanced technology and um and that they've been again surreptitiously inhabiting the earth alongside of us all of these years but we just have not interacted with them that that would be a cry cryptoterrestrial >> civilization right but they wouldn't be extraterrestrial they'd be crypto crypto terrestrial and I'm totally open to that I think that's a fascinating um perspective totally open to that and it's probably there's probably some truth to that in regard to to to something out there. However, it it it's I'm fascinated by this um by this desire to desire is not the right word. Um by this impulse to reject out of hand the extraterrestrial hypothesis which was favored by a lot of the old school eupfologists. It was the favored view you know decades ago. >> Mhm. >> Um and there were outliers. There were people who who like for example the great Jacqu file um proposed an interdimensional hypothesis. He and John Ke a long time ago. So that's been around for a long time but it wasn't really that it wasn't really that popular at the time. the extraterrestrial hypothesis was the most popular hypothesis um early on in in eupfology and now people are for whatever reason there's this as I said there's this impulse of disregard to jettison the extraterrestrial hypothesis and I can't figure out why and the reason why I'm I'm highlighting this is because soon and mark my words soon and soon could be five years from now um NASA is going to definitively publish a paper or make an announcement that yet yes there were microbes on Mars. So extraterrestrial life is going to become concretized. It's not going to be speculative anymore.

I mean, it's not you know life coming from zeta reticuli. It's coming from Mars which is much closer but nevertheless, it's extraterrestrial. So, so um and also the other thing that we understand about these beings is that they are in possession of advanced aerospace technology and they have the capability to to not only move through the atmosphere of the earth in ways that uh in ways that are inexplicable. You know, the trans medium is the term that's often used, transmedium travel. In other words, they can move through the atmosphere with the same ease as they move through the ocean and they can seemingly move through solid matter in some instances. Um, or at least in some reports, but they move through the air and through the water with the same ease. And it's not it's not because they're moving through the medium. It's because they're moving the medium around the craft. And um they're in, you know, what uh um Hell Puto off and and Eric Davis describe as an atmospheric bubble. in a gravitational bubble. >> Okay. >> And so the point here is that these craft, not only can they move through our oceans and through our atmosphere in this way, they can move through the through outer space with the same ease and have been seen in outer space by our astronauts on record. Our astronauts have seen UFOs in outer space. Okay. Okay. So, if you got UFOs in outer space, how big of a how big of a uh of a leap is it to then um to them assume that these beings have a presence on Mars, right? In my mind, >> it would be elementary. It would be elementary for this advanced for these advanced beings to have a base on Mars. And so if they have a base on Mars, which I believe they do have bases on Mars and on our moon, by the way, then then then then the extraterrestrial hypothesis is very much still in play because uh they're here obviously they're here and I do believe that they're in the in the the bottom of our oceans. I think they have mobile bases and and they have underground bases and they're inside of our mountains by the way, different the various factions and they're operating in our atmosphere and and some of them no doubt have been here for a very long time but that doesn't mean that their origin is the earth. Mhm.

I mean, they could have been here, you could have, for example, the Nordics, maybe they've been here for 10,000 years, >> but if they didn't originally come from here, then they're not >> then they're not terrestrial. They're extra terrestrial, right? Even if they've been here for 10,000 years, the providence is somewhere else. So, all I'm saying is people have this impulse to disre to discard the extraterrestrial hypothesis in favor of these things we don't understand. We don't understand time travel. Do we understand time travel? No, we don't understand time travel. We can't do it. We don't understand it. It's all speculative. Okay. Time travel is is is just an idea. It's a fictional idea right now. We don't understand interdimensional or interdimensional travel or interdimensional beings. We've never done it. We've never seen it. We don't have any proof of it. Right? And yet it it's it's this is such a favored view in eupfology. Yet it there's no proof of it. Zero. None. Right? That that that such a thing even exists. Although I am a proponent of the hyperspaceial theory of the universe in which which posits that there are more than the than the three spatial dimensions and the one of time that that that we currently interact with. Um but you know that's that's kind of a different conversation. But these are very very um popular views today. And yet NASA in a very uh covert manner I would say has already told us that there's life on Mars. Right? So I think that uh having said all of that I think again taking this 35,000 ft view I think that there are several factions interacting with us on planet Earth. Some of them have been here for a very long time. At least one of them I think has only been here for about a hundred years. Namely the grays and um I don't think they came from here at least the grays I think that there are bases on Mars and at the very least and this is absolutely an extraterrestrial phenomenon in that it involves other planets not just the earth so that's my summary uh and and I don't you didn't necessarily ask me for one but >> sh for a while >> no you're good Tim you're good it's when you when you're talking about the favoring of, you know, the the interdimensional things and people not getting to grasp with the fact that we're talking about physical beings on physical planets and we're traveling through space in real ships or or however it is they travel, right? Do you think by adding that extra layer of unknown to something that to a lot of people is already unknown, the extraterrestrial life factor, it's almost preparing us or it's going to prepare us to be underwhelmed by the announcement of extraterrestrial life because it's back to the traditional sense of it. It's physical beings on a physical planet.

That's a good point. Yeah. Yeah. It's that's right. Um I don't know. I think most people would just say NASA's lying and uh we'll just disregard such an announcement and say no, they're covering up for the fact that these are actually interdimensional beings or something. I don't know. Um you know, nobody trusts institutions anymore. So, it's not really going to matter what NASA says.

For me, I often wonder what the funding pitch is going to be after the SCOP. Do you know what I'm saying? Because if we know that there's solid balls of matter floating through space that have got living organisms on it and they can put a spin on that takes our attention off of that and it it's always this distraction and mirrors thing with these people and me and it's always the story that's >> burning behind it.

Well, as I always say, nobody can nobody can control the phenomenon, >> right? Well, only the narrative surrounding the phenomena because the aliens don't talk to us, >> right? They don't talk to us. So, not directly. So, >> uh, so the government has that advantage. There's no messaging coming from these beings. That's apparent, that's conspicuous. So, so the government can control the narrative, but they cannot control the phenomenon. Do you think that's only because of the how these individuals would communicate? Do you think that there's a possibility that there's parameters out with this that known science can't explain so that are being discounted in your arguments >> in regard to communication? >> Communic Yeah. Let's just take the communication for a start, right? Because >>

Well, I think that the communication I think we can say definitively that communication is telepathic. >> Yeah, of course. I would I would I would 100% go down that road with with that. >> But in regard to whether or not these beings are broadcasting some kind of a message to the earth, I would say they're not not one that's conspicuous. Not one that's >>

I'm with you. I mis I misunderstood what you were getting at there. So yes, you're saying they're communicating, but they're not just sitting with a speaker pointing it towards us blasting their message. >>

I would say that if there is any kind of communication, it's covert. >> Yeah. Um, are they are some of these factions interacting with elements of the United States military? I would say yes. >> I would say so. >> But but that action is not it's not for the public good. I mean, these we're clearly interacting with something nonhuman. Now, having said that, I would agree to some extent with people like Dr. Steven Greer who who think that much of what we see in our airspace today is is our ARVs are our alien reproduction vehicles or in other words hybridized craft that we produce. Sure, I've got no problem with that. I think at this point, you know, we've we've had some some success. I I think the success has been much more limited than people like Dr. career think but I think we've had some limited success in reverse engineering these components aspects of these craft and we have our own saucer I would say um that to the untrained eye displays the same sort of um incredible um aerial feats as the alien craft but in reality is probably still uh quite technologic inferior to the alien craft. >> Yeah, I would imagine. Even though even though

It looks ex, even though it's much superior to anything that we have in our conventional arsenal. So, in other words, you know, we have craft that look like they're, you know, 500 years more advanced than a than than the jets that we just that we're deploying right now over Iran.

>> Um, and that's a tricky, it's tricky when we say "we," right? Because people assume I'm talking about the United States government, when in fact, it could be a, um, you know, Richard Dolan coined a term years ago, "breakaway civilization." We could be looking at something like a group, a a controlling, um, faction within that is, uh, in to some extent above that, supersedes the the United States government, a breakaway civilization, so to speak, in possession of the technology. And that it's not really accessible, at least some of it is not really accessible to the United States mil military. Although some of this tech, most of this technology has the technology that we've been able to reverse engineer and and from which we've derived, um, ARVs, our own reproduction craft. Um, some of that technology has been funded by American taxpayers. Um, but of course, you have dark money. You have black projects that are funded by black budgets. Uh, that in other words, some of the money, some of the funding comes from the American taxpayer, and some of the money does not. Comes from, uh, nefarious, let's put it in these terms, from nefarious enterprises. Um, and the Congress, I think Congress is slowly realizing, beginning to realize this, that that there are aspects of this, >> um, aspects of the crash retrieval program, the legacy program, uh, that are directly connected to the United States government and funded by the United States government. And then there are aspects of it that are completely out of control, out of the jurisdiction of the United States government. And, um, not only does Congress not have it oversight, they can't get it because elements of this of of these projects are being funded outside of, uh, outside of, uh, the the the budget, the federal budget.

You know, Tim, it's, it's interesting because the way that you're presenting this is, it's removing all of the modern hype behind what all this could be. Okay. Removing the sort of Hollywood, it has to be something more fascinating than it already is, right? It can't just be a flesh and blood creature in a in a ship from another planet, right? It has to be interdimensional, time traveling. It, it, for some reason, I, the the subtleties of the lost knowledge of this world are often blown up in Hollywood so that we miss how subtle they are in the world that we live in. And it almost feels like when you've broken this down, they're trying to do that now with other life, that, you know, nonhuman life forms. They're trying to make it so blown out of how already incredible it is. It's like, hey, don't worry about how amazing this already is. Worry about all the unbelievable stuff we're going to stack on top of it. So, it's almost like you're focused on how they're getting here rather than the fact that they're here, right? It's a weird game that they play.

Um, now I don't know what your take is on, and I'm sure you've heard about shamans, magic, and the elements throughout your your your travels. That is kind of the center of my whole world are is the subtleties of magic that get lost throughout modern, the modern world. How everything's represented in the movies as fireballs and lightning and all this kind of stuff, where you can have a conversation with the world, and if you just listen close enough, it will answer. That's kind of my mind. And I feel like they're applying the same over-the-top misdirection to this this topic as they have to that. And again, I'm not asking necessarily, do you agree with my beliefs, but it's very interesting how you've broken this down and how my particular life on the spectrum analyzes things. And I can see now >> that there has been this weird new introduction of hype. It could all be around CERN. There's a lot of weird stuff around CERN that I'm, is a conversation for another time. Um, but how do you feel about that as a possibility? I, I don't know if misdirection is the right word. It's almost like trying to take us off how these creatures exist here, how they got here, rather than the fact that they're here. Does that make sense? Sorry, I went, I've tangented myself a little bit there, Tim.

I, yeah, I think that, um, some of this is misdirection >> because if you just take the testimony of the whistleblowers, and then again, add in what I would say that we've known in ufology for decades, um, the reality of the crash retrieval program, >> you know, as David Grush famously said, um, "non-human biologics," which isn't the greatest term, by the way. Um, in other words, we've got, we've, uh, corporeal bodies and physical craft. >> Um, that I think it's very possible that all this other stuff is being promoted to, to what would, what would be the right way to describe this? Um, to, cuz a big metal ship that looks like a car that we could rivet together, ain't is exciting enough in 2026. Him. Like, do you see what I mean? It's, what if we can put a drone in the sky, right? If we can buy a little drone from a shop and put it in the sky and control it ourselves, I think humans and technology and how we view how amazing something is, kind of go hand in hand. And if we can understand what we're seeing, I think it takes some of the their ability to control us away, possibly. I think that some of these trendy ideas are being used to obfuscate the tangible realities of the phenomenon. >>

Okay, I'm going to have to Google off. Hang on a second. You're going to have to >> Hang on. >> It's the tangible realities of the phenomenon that, that, let's say that the secret keepers, the secrecy group in government >> wants to keep the the, wants the public not to focus on. What am I talking about? I'm talking about the crash retrievals and the bodies. >> Because once you start focusing on crash retrievals and bodies, that means that you can start to make stuff, you can look for the, yes. That's right. You can look for the programs. You can look for the craft. You can inquire. >> Start making patents, Timothy. Patent money. >> If you start talking about, That's right. If you start talking about interdimensional beings and time travelers and this >> pain in there, there's nothing, >> it all becomes very, it all becomes very intangible and metaphysical. >> And it kind of gets everybody arguing about, um, >> you know, having these ontological arguments and and and creating this sort of chaos inside of ufology instead of everybody drilling down on crash retrievals and alien bodies. And that, and and I, and people say, "Well, here's the, this is a famous meme, you know, now that's out there. I used to believe in aliens until the government told me they were real." >> Right? >> Um, well, that's very cute. But the problem is, the government is actually telling you they're not real. Um, the whistleblowers are telling you they're real. The government is telling you they're not real. The government is arrow. The the all domain, um, oh, [ __ ] what's the, uh, uh, the acronym for arrow stand for? I can't remember. Uh, the All Domain Anomalous Research Organization Office, uh, something like that. But arrow, >> arrow is >> that's the group that they're the government, they represent the the the government narrative, the sanctioned narrative out of the Pentagon, not the whistleblowers. Everybody makes this weird, and again, I think that this has been done purposely to the public. People have have there's been seeds sewn into public discourse in ufology to distrust the whistleblowers >> and to and to depict them as the government narrative. "This is the government lying to me." You know, "I used to believe in aliens until David Grush told me they were real." Well, David Grush isn't the government. He's a whistleblower. He's defected to some extent from the narrative, the sanctioned narrative. And if you want to hear, if you want to listen to what the government is saying about UFOs, UAP, then go, go read the reports published by Arrow. Arrow is the government, and and what they're saying is, you know, in no uncertain terms, there's nothing to see here. The, you know, this is largely debunked. Um, we can't explain all of the aerial phenomenon, but most of it has prosaic explanations. And we haven't found any evidence of extraterrestrial life. We haven't found any evidence of non-human intelligence. There's your government. Right? So, what I like to say to people who who present me with that meme, "I used to believe in aliens until the government told me they were real," and then I say, "No, here's the government telling you they're not real. What now?" So, are you going to use that meme and say, "Oh, okay. So, now I know that the government is telling me that aliens are not real. Therefore, I'm going to believe in them." I mean, it's all, it's, it's all very stupid, to be honest with you.

So the, the, there's there are a lot of, there are a lot of chirping birds right now in ufology, and and everybody's talking about time travel, and everybody's talking about interdimensionality, and everybody's talking about all these other ideas when all we should really be concerned about right now is where are these projects? Where are the bodies and the craft that have been recovered? And and and how is it that all of all of so much taxpayer money has been dumped into these things and there is zero oversight? >> You've taken our money and then you've lied to our faces. >> There's zero oversight. So that's the conversation that the secrecy group does not want us to have. And that's what the the, uh, the congressmen and women who are working on this problem, that's what really is, uh, grinding their gears is that they have run up against a program that it seems to be explicitly intentionally designed to circumvent them as congressmen and women, right? To circumvent oversight, congressional oversight, and and therefore the oversight of the American people. And so the problem is, and there are some obviously legitimate reasons for some of this. We want to maintain a advantage, a technological advantage over our adversaries, certainly. Um, but the the basic realities of this phenomena need to be told to the public, that we have recovered craft that is nonhuman in origin, and we have recovered bodies that are nonhuman. Right? Uh, that that basic reality needs to be, at this point in time, just needs to be told to the American people and to the and to the people of the world. And, um, that's what a lot of these congressmen and women and whistleblowers are are fighting for right now.

>> Tim, can we not ar, could we not argue, right, that in the grand scheme of space, these factions and what seems to be a battle to keep it all secret on Earth? I mean, when we talk about crash ships, I, I often ask myself, is it not out the rule of question that if these, these creatures, these other races, if they had the ability to travel through, say, I don't know, let's just use like a Stargate for an example, some sort of portal thing, go through one end to the other, that that could be repackaged and misconstrued as interdimensional? Because I believe >> Precisely. >> I mean, I, I've got, I've got to kind of argue that if I was an insectoid, right, and I took a bunch of my enemies, or if I was a Nord and I wanted to expose the Grays, I would just catch a bunch of them, stick them in a metal tin, and throw them against Earth and hope the Earthlings find it so that they're they're presented aliens in a way they can understand, right? Oh, it's a, it's a, it's a ship. Well, I know what a ship is. We've got boats and cars, right? My little brain can understand this. Because if they just open up a freaking portal and walk through it, I think at some point our brains would have just been, "What are we seeing?" You know? So, do you think there's an argument where we could see the misrepresentation of technology as interdimensional or time traveling just because of how it kind of looks a bit cool? It looks a bit cool, right? But could we not also argue that these crashes could be >> deliberately by opposite opposing factions from within these races trying to expose the other race and not themselves to us in a way that we can understand? And I'm, I'm sorry again, my my ism is wild today. >> Or, or, or maybe they're dogfights. >> Yeah, it could be dogfights. Yeah. >> Some cases, one faction shoots down another faction. >> Um, that's possible. Or we're working with one faction against another, that's another possibility. Um, but, you know, you make a good point. So, if I see a, which I've seen UFOs, but if, if this is something that many people have seen, if you see a craft, let's say a saucer is hovering in the sky, right? Yep. >> And then in the blink of an eye, that saucer is gone. >> It, it just shoots off into the distance, right? At an incredible rate of speed, almost instantaneous travel, instantaneous acceleration is the way that, uh, >> Lue Elizondo describes it. Um, well, it's not difficult then to extrapolate that that they're, that the whatever technology that these beings have traversing the cosmos isn't going to be difficult for them, right? >> Okay. Let's make it, let's, let's shut off the rest of deep space and let's just look at our solar system. >> Sure. Would it be very difficult for for beings in possession of that kind of technology to get to the moon? No. We just went to the moon again in the Artemis >> uh, um, program. Well, these things could get to the moon in, in, in a matter of minutes, maybe seconds, obviously, you know, based on the, based on, um, their capabilities that we've been able to to observe. Well, then, is it that much of a leap to think that they could also get to Mars with ease, or Venus? No. >> Or the other planets are supposed? No. I mean, I think we, we, we can extrapolate that. Okay. If they can do these things, if they're displaying these kinds of aerial maneuvers in our atmosphere, then they're probably doing them in outer space. So, >> yeah, it's, it's the basic math. >> What's the need? Here's my question. >> What is the need? Why do we need another theory? That's my question. Why do we need an interdimensional theory or a time traveling theory? That's that's what I wonder. And I'm not, and I'm not necessarily opposed. Interdimensional doesn't really mean anything, but the time travel thing, okay, that's interesting. I don't think either of those are, well, certainly the time travel, I don't, I don't think, uh, u, that that we're dealing with time travelers here, um, for several reasons. But, but what's the need? Why do we have it? What, what's the reason why people feel like we have to come up with another explanation? Like, what if we just said, "Hey, Occam's Razor, the simplest explanation is that either A, they've been here forever, whoever they are, or B, they came from Mars or somewhere in our solar system at the very least." >> Do we really need another theory? Why do people require another theory? To me, it seems like, I'm going to use the word again, obfuscation of plain realities that these theories are being promoted in order to keep everybody confused and befuddled and arguing about ontological ideas.

Yeah, I, you know, it's interesting, right? I've never actually considered the argument of let's make all of this within our own solar system and and and look at it from just within our own realm. I don't know why. It seems like a very obvious, you know, >> It's just a hypothesis. I mean, >> Well, it's, it's an interesting way to sort of frame a discussion to be perfectly honest because it's amazing how uninhabitable we're told everywhere but Earth is, right? It's almost like, hey, there's no point in going there. Okay, I believe one of them just like rains lava and stuff. It's very, doesn't sound like we ever want to go there. Doesn't even sound like we want to invest any money in going there. >> But, but it doesn't even matter because if these beings are inhabiting the deep oceans right now, >> if they got a mobile base on the bottom of the ocean, which I think they do, >> and if they're under the ground, what, what problem are they going to encounter building a base on the surface or in the interior of Mars? They're not going to encounter a problem. They can, why couldn't they create their own atmosphere and and use their technology to be able to, we could build a base on Mars if we could get there. So bases on Mars is a piece of cake for these guys. Uh, bases in the interior of these planets is a piece of cake for these guys based on the technology that they apparently have. So, um, my whole point here is, uh, riffing off something you said earlier. I, I do feel like there's an intentional, there's in, there's somebody is purposely injecting chaos into the UFO community and promoting certain ideas to obfuscate the plain realities. That's my personal observation. It's almost like the more we've dialed in, the broader they've made the scope. If I'm being honest with you, it's like the more people have gotten closer to sort of understanding what's going on, they throw in a whole bunch of other stuff to just muddy the. They really do. You've nailed it. And to be honest with you, Tim, right, I genuinely could sit here for the next four hours, uh, listening to you, uh, you know, putting this all, framing this in a little bit of a less unbelievable way, right? Because when we dial it back to living, breathing, sentient beings traveling as we do, it, it kind of puts it in perspective just how much has been put out there to kind of mislead and guide us.

Now, here's the thing. When we talk about, uh, the talking through telepathy and things like this, depending on the person will depend on how they observe how that interaction has happened with them, right? So, we will get misconstrued. It's a spiritual thing. It's an interdimensional thing. People will strip it down to the bare science and be like, "Oh, I understand it's telepathy." But do you think that humans, there's so many of us, right, that we're never all going to see the one thing in the same way, and we're never all going to land on the same page, regardless if the science is screaming it in our face, the testimonies, all of it? Are we past resolution as a, as a race? >> Do you really think? >> Well, obviously, everybody brings their own, uh, their their religious and cultural ideas to the topic. So, uh, everybody. I once, I once used a Tupperware analogy that we all walk around with Tupperware in our arms, and and as we go through the world, we have these, you know, each of our Tupperware containers is labeled, conveniently labeled. It's a c, everything's categorized. There's a taxonomy that we're familiar with and comfortable with. So, as we move through the world, we just sort of file, we just sort of file away everything that we encounter into one of these Tupperwares. And then we can feel like we've made sense of the world. And so everyone does this. And, um, the problem is that that, uh, we're not allowing, if we do that, then we're not allowing the phenomenon to be what it is. We're trying to force it to be what we want it to be, to be what we think it should be. And if you come from a, um, you know, I call them consciousness bros. If you come from the consciousness bro background, you know, and the Ayahuasca and the DMT and the all that, and and the meditation and the transcendental stuff, if that's your background, if that's your world, then when you approach this topic, you want to make it all about, you know, consciousness and, um, and the, you know, vibrations and different dimensional stuff. That's your >> That's your that's your container. If you're coming from a Christian worldview, as many, um, of my colleagues do, then you want to make this all about angels and demons, you know, and primarily demons. And this has to all, because that's what your Tupperware. That's the only way you can categorize it. You got to stick it in that demons Tupperware that you're carrying around with you. >> And, and that's the way you approach it. I mean, if you're coming from a, if you're coming from a purely scientific background, let's say agnostic or atheistic background, >> Mhm. >> You know, then you're going to be more intrigued with the time travel aspects, the potential time travel aspects of this, or, um, the crypto-terrestrial or extraterrestrial hypothesis, or whatever. Um, you know, everybody's coming to this, approaching this because the phenomenon doesn't tell us anything about itself. That's the problem. Okay? If it did, accurate you are with all this. >> We wouldn't be arguing about it. Right? If the phenomenon had made itself apparent and conspicuous and its intentions and its designs and its nature and its origin, there wouldn't be all of the, and if the government had been honest with us about this, there wouldn't be all of these different ideas floating around. We, we'd be settling on just a couple at this point. Um, but as I said earlier, the phenomenon does not communicate with us. Um, not directly, and not universally, not corporately, at least. And, uh, that doesn't mean that there aren't, as I said earlier, that there aren't factions in that are, um, working with our government or other governments of the world. That's very possible. I don't know that that's true, but it's possible, at least. So the way I approach this phenomenon, I happen to be a Christian, as many people know. Um, I, but I don't try to approach this phenomenon and and and cram it into a biblical term like demon. I don't come to it with this demon box and then try and take the phenomenon and stuff it in there. >> And then, and then, and then, and then pat myself on the back with this the satisfaction that I've solved the mystery. >> Um, no, I just, I just let it be what it is. I try to understand the contours of this thing and and try and distill down what can we say with with a a good, a deal of, with a, uh, what can we say with a degree of confidence about the, about this phenomena? What, what can we say? >> And then, and then based on those things, begin to extrapolate and and hypothesize various ideas. Um, and because I don't believe that any of this threatens my worldview, I don't believe any of this threatens the biblical worldview. And a lot of Christians feel like it does, but I don't because I have a very broad, I have a very expansive biblical paradigm. >> And unfortunately, uh, many Christians do not. They have a very rigid, inflexible paradigm that doesn't allow for the existence of extraterrestrial beings. >> I'm with you. Y >> But mine does. Again, and, and if there are microbes on Mars, then there are, then there is an extraterrestrial reality framework context automatically, >> right? And, and to which we have to acquiesce. And, um, uh, you know, it's just the, it's just another component of reality, just like robots and artificial intelligence, components of reality that we now deal with, that we now encounter and interact with in our everyday life, that 20 years ago would have seemed science fiction, but today it's not. The same is going to be for, uh, this idea of extraterrestrial life, uh, in 10 years from It's just going to be one of the, another component. We have robots. We have artificial intelligence. We have extraterrestrial life. >> I agree. I agree 100%. >> Going to have to, going to have to deal with it. >> People, people are very much going to have to deal with it.

Uh, Tim, I'm really sorry to say we've, we're running out of time today, and I just want to say, >> I would love to have you back, Tim, because I feel like there is so, like, you know what? I don't know if you ever, I don't know if you host your own podcast or anything like this, but when you become gripped by your own guest, okay, and it, you feel like you're, you're watching a podcast rather than hosting it, there's a lot more to say. And the way that you kind of, cuz trust me, right, I know the, I'm part of the vibration crew, okay? Like, I'm one of like, and the reason, the reason, the reason for this, Tim, right, is I have zero interest in blind faith. I wasn't religious. I didn't, I don't believe in anything off of blind faith at all. I'm very religious now because I had a very profound religious experience. But I'm very much like, I'm not going to, I'm not, I'm definitely not a trust me, bro. I can't buy into that. So everything that I've experienced on my kind of journey, okay, has been me witnessing or experiencing firsthand. And that's what I kind of lock in with and kind of go, well, I know that I can prove to myself, and I'm not about here to prove to anyone. It's just about my own personal journey. And you strike me as an interesting person because you're stripping it all back to what it was in the beginning, right? It was dudes and spaceships coming from one planet to another planet, potentially. Yeah. Again, >> I'm open to other ideas. Certainly, >> I'm with you. I'm with you. >> But I feel like that's, I feel like that's Occam's Razor. That let's say, let's say it's it's much more likely that the Grays are from Mars or Zeta Reticuli than >> Um, than time travelers. >> Well, here's the thing. >> I, because we have, we know Zeta Reticuli exists. We know Mars exists. We can observe the technology that they have and extrapolate that they can or infer rather that they can travel to these different planets. Yeah. Um, and, and we, we can do all of that based on things that we know. We know absolutely zero about time travel. >> I'm with you. Oh, no. I'm, I'm not arguing that. But >> that's why that's why I favor an extraterrestrial hypothesis. Or we also know absolutely zero about interdimensionality or interdimensions. >> I'm with you. Okay, I'm going to be there. I'm going to be there, too. Okay. >> But it seems to me that our ability to reach the places we've been told these things are, as that increases, >> the [ __ ] to misdirect us has increased. So, >> yes, it's very fascinating that, oh, hey, listen, there's probably nothing ever going on on Mars. Just so happens we're going there, right? So, you know, if there's people there for us to meet, we want to keep that under wraps. It's really interesting, and my analogies, uh, are are kind of dumb sometimes, but it, it's fascinating because it's already fascinating. A dude in a spaceship from another planet. That's already mind-blowing, Tim. So, they're adding on these extra layers. And I think by adding on these extra layers, it re, it makes it unbelievable again. >> It makes it intangible. >> Thank you. Intangible. I'm inventing dumb words here. >> It makes it metaphysical. Yeah. >> And therefore, it, it, it takes the focus off of the legacy program and of the bodies and of the technology and all, and of all of the functional aspects of the phenomenon. >> Yep. >> And that's what they don't want us to be focused on. >> That's exactly it. And do you know what? It's a great place to put a pin in it. Tim, I just, but quickly tell everyone what you've got coming up. Your books, all your links are in the description. Tim, you will definitely be back. Sarah will be sending you an email tonight. Sarah's watching my producer. So, thank you. Uh, cuz there's a lot more to be told. I want to do, you know what? I could just do two hours on the Giants, bro, and forget all about the aliens. I'm telling you. >> There's a large, larger conversation to be had about giants, for sure. >> Hell, really is, Tim. It really, really is. And I'll be honest, giants are very much any of the the earth-loving creatures. They are very much at the center of my heart. I very much believe the giants are part of this planet as much as we are. You know, you're talking to somebody who hasn't ever seen one, but I, and I can, I can show you footage of what looks a damn sight like a little fairy flying past my head. There's a lot of stuff. Okay. But I think a lot of people write off the, the, the creatures that we share this ball with, not the ones that have visited here, but the ones that grew up here. Um, and I believe that giants are one of them, and I can't wait to hear more. So tell us a little bit about where everyone can find your stuff, Tim. And >> I have, I'm on social media. My handle is always the same. Timothy Alberino, Timothy Alberino. I have a YouTube channel. Um, and, um, I have a members community. And for people who are interested in in in further exploring my perspectives and joining a community of people who are just absolutely amazing, and it's a no, it's a troll-free, u, it's a troll, troll-free environment. And I have my own social media platform, and I publish a ton of exclusive content for that community. If you're interested in that, uh, you can find it at thealberinoanalysis.com. Thealberinoanalysis.com. And I have, I have a book, Birthright, out, and, uh, Book of Enoch. Going to be publishing here shortly. Uh, a follow-up to Enoch, the Book of Giants, Jubilees, and, and, um, the Genesis Apocryphon in the Genesis Apocryphon in a single volume. That's going to be coming out in about a month. So people can just track with me. My website's timothyalberino.com. But my community is the best way to track with me. That's, that's I'm going on, uh, I've got an upcoming expedition, UFO-related expedition I'm going on here shortly, and, and my community members track with me on these expeditions and stuff too. So >> That's awesome. >> But hey, thanks a lot for having me on. It was, uh, it was >> This is, this is the start of, of a bunch of, a bunch of conversations because it's just, you're so, you're such a like, you can talk to, when people, when we talk to people that have theories, when we talk to people who have read books or written books, we're talking about a guy who, you discovered a lost city, bro. Okay? Like, there's, there's a certain amount of knowledge that comes from >> My colleague Anel P. Raa. >> Like, yeah, okay, big shout out to the colleague too, right? But when it comes to holding ancientness in your hands, when it comes to speaking to people who've been entrapped in culture, I'm making up words again, Tim, in cultures that have been lost or forgotten, it's the forgotten knowledge. And when we talk about isolated and lost tribes and all of this kind of stuff, that is where it's, in my humble opinion, going to have those elements of that lost knowledge, whether it's how they freaking built the pyramids, where the the giants come from, what fairies are, whatever. It's fascinating. And as far as I'm concerned, you are an incredible source for all of this, Tim. So, thank you so, so much, man. I really do appreciate your time. >> Thank you, Ron. It was my pleasure. >> Well, look, thank you everyone. Thank you for watching at home. Please like and share. If you're, uh, new to the channel, make sure you subscribe. Follow myself and Tim, and of course, the Sean Atwood channel. We'll see you next time. And oh, the, my, my second show tonight is off. I've got something I need to run out the door right now and do. I'll be back tomorrow. I've got three shows tomorrow. So, I'll see you then. Thank you all. And for me, runs once. And as always, be