The RAREST Astrology Event Begins THIS December — What You MUST Know for 2026 | Debra Silverman

We've seen this all before. It's not the first time that an empire went up and an empire went down. America, it's not the first time that the species had to transition. I don't know if you know this, that whales and dolphins, if you look at their fins, they had fingers. At some point, they were walking on land and they made the decision to go back to the water. So, it's not unfamiliar to us, around all the species, including the dinosaurs, that something comes and something goes.

To go even a step further with you, I'd love to know what you can tell us about the fifth element, which the alchemists, the mystics, they would all call the ether. The 13th sign comes off the chart. Ether is the non-differentiating. It's like the universal hug. The whole planet's being held by ether, by the 13th sign, by what I call in my book, the observer. Like there's some part of you, it's so obvious with you, Amelio, that is an old wise soul. This is true of everybody listening.

Hello family. I know that this time can feel like a very strange in-between. Like we're holding the weight of everything that we live in 2025, while also sensing the pulse of the energies that are coming in for 2026. And I wanted to share for a minute about something that we've never done before. And it's a pivotal part about what we want to see for the new Earth, both co-leadership and community convergence. Our beloved multiple-time podcast guest Kelly Kabadnney, channel for the angel Raphael, and I are coming together for something truly historic and powerful. During this last month of the year, we're going to journey into a 3-week light code featuring powerful Mary Magdalene frequencies. Our planet is currently seeing a surge in the embodiment of the divine feminine codes, and there's yet a need to find a balance with our masculine Christ consciousness energies, and you are invited to come together with us to truly end this year in a special way.

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Deborah Silverman, welcome back on Just Tap In. What are you most excited about right now globally and in your life?

Well, can we just come into the moment? We just did a prayer, and we just did a song, and we just celebrated our cacao, that we are obviously two souls who share a common love. And what gets me really excited in this life as an elder is meeting people like you and seeing that people are actually returning to the indigenous ways of knowing how to pray, and returning to the cacao, and learning about the essence of things rather than the superficial.

You are not superficial, nor am I. We both have sun in the eighth house. So, one of the things I'm most excited about is, for me, I'm going to go with me personally, is the discernment of who and what enhances my capacity and my function here. What environment, what atmosphere, what food, what space, what prayer will continually create a higher, refined expression for me so I can be of value. And now to the collective, what I'm most excited about is this eclipse we just walked through. This is probably, I know we all say this, this is the most intense time I've ever seen before. That's such an echo into all the astrologers. It's kind of a broken record. At the same time, there's truth to it. There's never been 8 billion people on the planet at the same time. So, if you just stop for a minute and pause and go, the numbers of feet, the numbers of bathrooms, the numbers of coffee beans, the numbers of grapes, the numbers of cows, like everything's gotten gigantic. And we, in our own myopic vision, don't recognize that we're at a critical moment just by sheer numbers. So, if we would just take a moment and pause.

I was just in New York and London, and I was just in Europe, and I just thought, wow, it's amazing the assault of this existence by pure vibration. So when we start, what gets me excited when we start, and we start by stopping and going into the internal world, the interior landscape, which is so peaceful. I'm always, you asked me what I'm excited about. I'm excited about beings like you, and I meet many of them, your age group, who are returning to the sacred. That makes me so happy because my generation, I shouldn't have to say this, but it's true. We missed a beat. We left behind the indigenous ways and the old and the wisdom that was behind us. I don't know. We got very modern, the baby boomers, and we got very self-indulgent. So I always want to apologize to the youth and say, I'm sorry what we left you. And I'm assuming, said the astrologer, this was meant to be based on results. I can't argue with hard evidence. Except that I'm a little bit, um, on one hand excited because you're present, and there's a new imprint that's coming to set us up for success. And on the other hand, I'm a little discouraged and fearful, even of what is breaking and how we'll manage this transition.

You've said before that we are in a birthing canal as a human race, and that we're not prepared with enough midwives in the room to say, "Don't worry." And right now, we're seeing a plethora of news channels. Things are happening in the world. There's a lot of confusion, a lot of chaos. How do you become the calm in the storm that tells people not to worry, from seeing the stars, seeing what's playing out as a consciousness on the planet? Why do you say not to worry?

We've seen this all before. It's not the first time that an empire went up and an empire went down, America. It's not the first time that the species had to transition. I don't know if you know this, that whales and dolphins, if you look at their fins, they had fingers. At some point, they were walking on land and they made the decision to go back to the water. So it's not unfamiliar to us, around all the species, including the dinosaurs, that something comes and something goes.

So the comfort, said the astrologer, is we know the sun is coming and going. We know the moon is there's consistency that is completely reliable, brought to us by stars. Now, having said that, I return to that little fear part of me because I can't be inauthentic. The human side of us is going through a species transition. Just like the dolphins, the whales, the dinosaurs, we are on an extinction path. It's not friendly, or it doesn't feel good saying the word extinction. At the same time, the calm is being prepared with eyes wide open to say, "I know how to handle my nervous system." And part of that is knowing how to cry. This is the four elements. Like, I have been in a very stressful portal for the last three months. My business is going through a large change. Watching my nervous system and seeing how disregulated I got, I was like, uh-oh. All these podcasts and all these teachings I tell everybody, you have to find your calm and your ner, but not bypassing when you're upset. So, I had to go through the water elements, rough, wavy, emotional, disregulating. Then I come to air, which is what these podcasts are. We listen, and I do too. I read, I study, I have a real commitment to the tarot deck. I use mental stimulation to give myself information based on the stars and the cards. It sounds funny, but all the mechanisms, the podcasts like yours, to soothe my mind to say, "Oh, there are wisdom keepers who knew this was coming." So it doesn't dis—doesn't say my emotional body doesn't get disrupted. It just, I know how to move into air and go to my therapist, go to my best friend, and talk about this stuff and clear the air. And then comes earth. And this is really, if you want to know how to calm your nervous system, you get out to nature and take off your shoes and get in the water. Get into the outdoors. Let yourself sit on the ground and feel like I do a lot of barefoot. I know it's not popular anymore, but I live in, as you know, in Hawaii in the winter. So, I'm very deliberate about the textile, the food that I eat, the cacao that I drink. If you're going to eat meat, if you're not going to eat meat, consciousness around the earth element will provide calm because your system will be regulated by keeping it clean. And then, of course, fire, the funnest part of the story. Here's where the ayahuasca and the psilocybin and the THC and the drinks and the alcohol and the party animal and the loud music that brings us into life force, the sexual energy that has to be included in the nature of your regulating yourself because if I don't exercise personally, because for me, exercise and exorcism are related. If I want to get rid of that emotional body and clear up my mind to stop thinking and get myself out of work, I go and I exercise and I sweat, which is what I did before I saw you this morning. I'm a swimmer.

So, if I don't move energy through the body, this is the, how do we get to regulation, you guys? It's so simple, and that's the essence of the four elements. And I wrote a book called "The Missing Element" to find out which one of those four are you missing? Because you can't. This world is based on four wheels in a car, four elements, four seasons. It's the nature of the ancient indigenous wisdom, the four directions. I worship them, and it brings me home, and I encourage you to do the same. If you want to know how to regulate your nervous system, and by the way, you can be all [ __ ] up.

Always. You can be all [ __ ] up in your water element. Some of you in this listening are emotionally sensitive. You can't handle a lot of people. You really need to have quiet. You don't like to be socializing and chitchat. Drives you nuts. And you have a mystical, magical door where you're studying woowoo and you love all these things, but secrets, quiet, leave me alone. Those water people are moody, and I can't take that away from you. And then there's the air people who listen to podcasts all day long, and they scroll and they scroll, and they take a million classes, and they've studied astrology, but they didn't go too deep yet, and they're so interested in the Gene Keys, and they love the Human Design, and all these things have just tickled their little brain, and they're fascinated. How many of you raised your hand? The question for the air element is, how honest are you about your stick-to-it-iveness, your follow-through, your commitment? Because all that flirting with all that content does not integrate if you don't bring it back to your water and know how to sit in stillness and be at peace and be quiet and do that water element where you say, "I collected all that information, and then I integrated it."

And then the earth people, my goodness, they get nervous. They're up. They're completely, they they suffer. You, this is your life lesson because they're not doing enough, and they're not practical enough, and they're not making enough money, and they don't feel like they're in the right job, and they feel like they're never going to find their calling. And that wisdom of earth, the tree and the rocks and the mountains, they don't do this wiggly thing. They just remain patient to trust the cycle, and they get things done. Of course, they do, without the worry wart. Good luck with that. And then the last, of course, is fire. We're playing with the elements a lot today. These are the people who indulge. They drink too much. They smoke too much. They play too hard. They spend too much. And then they're super frustrated because they were young and they had all this athletic ability, playing basketball, playing yoga, doing all kinds of spiritual energetic exercises. But then when it came time to continue it as an adult, as an elder, to not let the fire go out, and that's what aging is. The fire goes out.

So, did we just do the four elements twice already?

We did. We did. And I wasn't expecting us to go that route, but when I've heard you talk about and really reflect on how you were able to amass so much of the success that you've had in your career, you attribute it to your ability to merge these four elements together and integrate them into your life. And I feel like that's the recipe, but I would love to know the ingredients of how you did that, and in your life journey, bringing these aspects together from the elements to give yourself the highest chance of a successful life. Live your dharma, live your purpose in the way that you've done it, uh, so far, in such an inspiring way.

It's such a great question. Well, first of all, I think you all know this. I am worshiping and in deep service to the four elements. I mean, that is my life, and I swear I do it every day. But the question you're asking is, where did that come? And I'm going to tell you, it came by getting it wrong. Like, every, I'd be in a relationship, and I'd realize the partner I was with didn't have fire. And then I found out that I have a lot of it. So I couldn't stay in that dynamic because I kept squishing myself to match the other person, to shapeshift. We do this a lot in our 20s as young women. We want to make the relationship work. And then my fire wouldn't go away. And then I'd end up getting really frustrated. And then I'd end up having to break something and get really blunt and get really angry. So, by default, by getting it wrong, I really began a deep study into the four elements by practicing. And I mean this, you guys, you're right. I have a success story. I have a 10-year company that served already 8,000 students have come through our school, and we have a very, 50 women work for me, and it's been a very successful ride with a culture that was based all on purpose and kind, you know, things that we don't do anymore. And all that is to say, I couldn't have done that success, which, by the way, he started at 60. So it wasn't until I was much older. This is true of Walt Disney. He didn't open up Disneyland until 58. So you can have a late part of your life to open up an entirely new phase. And that's what happened to me with the school. And I learned about the elements. I couldn't sit still. I didn't understand water to start with. My emotional body did not know. I was a moody person. Didn't tell anyone because I was secretive about it. But I suffered from a low-grade depression, and I didn't understand that it was my longing for stillness and for meditation and to do the medicine that was required to get me to soften, which was at moments ayahuasca and doing psilocybin. I had to go down those routes to recalibrate my faith and my intuition.

So, I'm going to answer the question by saying I learned about the four elements and I got it wrong. My air was very fickle. I was very indecisive. I was not on time. I really had a bad case of an airhead. When people see me now, they don't recognize me because I'm so different than what I was as a young person. And the earth realm to run a business was not in my toolbox to start with, but I've learned to cultivate each element with a deep study, and that is the book "The Missing Element" that does really serve to enter the conversation. And then, of course, fire, I was always really good at. I always got excited over nothing and jumped up and down and exercised, and that was easy to cultivate. But the earlier one, water, like you have a very natural, why we love you so much, Amelio, is your stillness. You cultivate that when we're not around. You had to realize how important it was for your sensitivity to be honored. And we thank your mom. I love that story because that's a spiritual practice to get the emotional body still. This planet's first system that broke on our planet is the water system. The ecosystem that's broken is there's no more coral. If you go to the Great Barrier Reef, the coral has been bleached to the tune of no re. I kept seeing this coming. No one talks about it. But water is the element that we no longer can drink from the tap because they put chemicals in it that were that detoxified us. So, in order to clean up the water, this time, if I take responsibility, because I feel like a mom for the planet, I had to learn about meditation, and it wasn't natural for me. Like, you're so good at it. My, I wiggle. So, you know, people that are air signs, Gemini, Libra, Aquarius, they wiggle. And the earth signs are like, "How long are we going to do this for? And what's the value? Is there any value in this? What's the value?"

What's next on the schedule? Yes. They don't meditate. And the water, like, "Oh, finally, leave me alone. I'm putting on my headphones. I'm putting on music, and I'm spacing out. I'm going to smoke a joint." They're so happy. The water people love meditation. And the fire people are like, "Are you out of your mind? We're going to sit still and close our eyes." So, I learned the hard way to actually cultivate the four elements, but the most important of all is water, is the ability to be still. And it wasn't natural. So, it's a long-winded answer to tell you, for all of you listening, the cultivation of the four elements as your quatro amigos, amigos, like making these your four friends. Really, these are your best friends, is going to be the doorway to your success. I can say it. It sounds kind of new-agey, a little bit, or psychological. It's ancient. It's indigenous. It's every single culture from the Hawaiians honoring the four directions and the four elements, all the way to the four worlds and Judaism. I don't know if you know that the ancient Jews had a, the Kabbalists all based their world on the four, their practice on the four worlds. It's everywhere in Egypt. They're the building blocks of reality.

And to go even a step further with you, I'd love to know what you can tell us about the fifth element, which the alchemists, the mystics, they would all call the ether, maybe this invisible field that binds reality together. What have you learned about that?

I love when it comes. You're so good. So, in my new book, "I Don't Believe in Astrology," that title always makes me laugh. The very last chapter is called "The 13th Sign," and that is the ether. That is the fifth element, but I don't name it that. I just call it the 13th element. And it is, as you prayed this morning, it is the end of duality. The 13th sign comes off the chart. Ether is the non-differentiating. It's like the universal hug. The whole planet's being held by ether, by the 13th sign, by what I call in my book, the observer. Like there's some part of you, it's so obvious with you, Amelio, that is an old wise soul. This is true of everybody listening. There's some part of you that knows you know. Now, do you operate with that? Is it regulating your nervous system? Is it giving you insights? Are you listening to your dream language? I don't know. But I can promise you, it's waiting in the wings. And when I finally realized the distinction between my cute little Deborah Silverman ego, because she's kind of cute, I mean, I have a big fat personality. I make fun, and I always say my little personality, but it's not true. And then I have this, and then I have this old soul who's been with me, just like you. As soon as your mom woke you up with that spiritual crisis where your body, and everyone has a spiritual crisis where the soul goes, "Dun dun, we're coming to get you." Now, if you're willing to let crisis, pain, breakups, financial crisis, physical pain, a diagnosis, a divorce, all those things are like my soul's calling me. How do I regulate? It's your question. My nervous system, I return to the four elements. I swear, I swear I'm not making this up. And I say to myself, because it just happened to me. I've been in a very deep, um, disruptive cycle with the portal of this eclipse. And then I eventually, I really did it. I practiced the four elements, and I came home to myself. And I can confidently say, as an elder, I want you to learn from me so you don't have to make the mistakes I made. I did not know the relevance of the four elements as the base note of how to provide my system with enough stability to be there for you.

Our first conversation was very interesting, um, in that when I went back to it this morning, you said that 2025, this year that we're in, was an entrance, sort of like a gateway. This year that's really coming around around the corner right now, 2026 was the downhill, is going to be the downhill movement all the way through 2030. What are you seeing in, in your study of what's going on in, in the wider picture, you know, as above so below, that we're going to be experiencing as a downhill movement? And, and first of all, what were we entering into that will allow us to go into a downhill movement?

See, this is his Taurus. Let's get practical. Show me the concrete evidence. Well, first of all, we're in 2025. From this point, starting in, I, I want to say it was about August, Saturn went backwards, Uranus went backwards, and Neptune went backwards. So, at this moment, we did have a, a wild beginning in January to April, I'd say, of 2025. The energy was really on fire. We're going backwards now. All the planets are going into retrograde. They correct themselves. February 16th, Saturn finally goes into fire. Then in April and March, Uranus finally goes into Gemini. Pluto stayed in Aquarius. And then Neptune is finally staying in Aries. So it's the downhill. So what I meant was, this energy built in 2025. Then there was this reprieve. Everything stopped. That's where we're at now. Business as usual. We're kind of pretending it's happening, but no one's really worried until February 16th. Saturn enters Aries for real for the next two and a half years. Neptune enters Aries two months later. Uranus. So when all those outer planets are fully into the new era, which has never occurred before in the history, guys, you can't study astrology and not know this. At the same time, it's hard to interpret because we've never seen it before. But the analogy I've been doing lately is in 1780, we found Uranus for the first time. It's such a funny word.

So, so where'd you look?

It was the first time a telescope was se—the telescope was available for us to detect this planet that describes. Ready, 1780 was when the French and the American Revolution were. So the zeitgeist at that moment, not unlike now, not unlike now, where all the governments are really disrupted, and there's between, you know, Nepal and what's going on in Russia, and what's going on in Israel, and what's going on, I mean, every country, we are watching Ukraine. There's such an intense energetic in the zeitgeist right now. It was a little calmer 10 years ago. Right now, it's escalating. Not unlike, this is a great analogy. So in 1780, when they found Uranus, they found electricity. From that moment on, electricity began to transform the existence of the human. Think about it. The computer we're sitting in front of, the lights that are on at night, the ability for us to drive, to fly, every part of our existence is now changed because of electricity. So similarly, AI brought to us by another influence of Uranus. So that was the first time Uranus was found in 1780. So the first time Uranus is going to be in Gemini. Such an exciting thought. For the first time in 82 years, it happens in April. It stays there now for the next seven, eight years. That coupled with Pluto, another planet that moves very slow and is a definitely zeitgeist culture one is an Aquarius. So we have two outer planets that are very significant. Rarely, this has never happened before. They're both in air signs. There's a com—there's like a re—an electrical revolution, likened onto electricity, that we can't predict what that's going to suggest, except the words AI. The best we can do is AI. The other words we use is ET. So there's some indication that something's coming unfamiliar to us that will change the nature of our operating system, the nature of this matrix, the reality.

So, having said that, we can't really, if nobody knew electricity would turn into a computer, we couldn't have imagined it if we wanted to. So, I like the long view. I know for sure what I know for sure. There's a benevolent force that is operating the system that makes your heart soft. There's a benevolent force that's operating the system that watches over us. This is not debatable. There's a benevolent system that's super intelligent that designed this, our whole galaxy, to move in perfect order. So there's some things, you guys, you can lean in on. Water's wet, air is everywhere, Earth's a little bit heavy, and fire is hot. That's for sure. Not movable. I don't care about AI. That will not touch AI. Those real hardcore realities are my gift to this audience to say, "Oh, it's so true. We couldn't see what was coming, and we can't see what's coming. What we know for sure that we can rely on is the softness of our heart, the ability to beckon in our souls, the gift of prayer. These are things that are timeless and will never go away. And the stars, I have a particular, you know, prejudice to how much I'm in love with those stars. They are absolutely a resource that has been left behind.

You know what my new fascination is? The tarot deck. I'm doing a class. It's called, um, Shift Network. It's in November. And I'm teaching the combination, the marriage of the tarot and astrology with the conversation of the arc of evolution by the human. And the very first card, ready, the zero card of the tarot deck is called "The Fool." You had to be crazy to even come here. That's how it started. And then the very first stop, number one card is "The Magician." And what's sitting on his table? The four elements. In every tarot deck, in every language, across the 15th century, the very first card is the magician. And on his table are the four elements. You can't do any magic in the rest of the evolution. And the next card is "The High Priestess." So before we even start, they say, "Shh, make sure you consult your soul." Once you know the four elements, you must come back to stillness, and then the party begins.

Was there ever a moment in the journey of your mastery where you realized that astrology had a consciousness of its own?

That's a very good question, as always. And I've thought about this a lot lately because you can't not be a cancer. There's nothing I could do about being a Gemini. Your Sagge rising has got you by the—there's no way you can avoid that. So that means there's no free will brought to us by the stars. And on one hand, I surrender to that truth, and I become a dancer, a co-conspirator, a, you know, real match to the heavens and the cosmos. And on the other hand, sometimes I'm like, wait, does that mean I have no free will? I have to be a Gemini. And the answer is yes. And so there's been a little bit of a push-pull of late as I evolve my consciousness and I start asking the questions about the highest level. I realize that I really do know this, you guys. There's a benevolent God and goddess who are creating this design. They've given you some free will to see what you'll do with your free will. They're watching.

And then the truth is immovable. And that is that love is real. This life is being orchestrated by a higher intel. There's certain things I know for sure, and I am mystified at this moment how astrology, to your question, is absolute strong influence of the human operating system, and that I am in awe of the creators of how masterful. So, I hope I answered your question. I am so in love with astrology. It's funny to be in love with something this long, said the Gemini. I'm so in love with that. And it's really hard to separate astrology from mathematics. Mathematics isn't something that we created. It's something that we discovered or we remembered. Same as astrology in that way.

How do you feel the first people that started remembering it and discovering it really came to interpret the stars in this huge story of archetypes and of personalities and of ego and, you know, all the things that Carl Jung talks about, a big teacher of yours?

I would definitely say, and I don't often say this, but it's just the truth. It was brought to us by the ETs. It's a higher intelligence. The source of this information, the architecture, the archetypes, the airtight truth about how Saturn in your Saturn and Taurus, my Saturn and Sagge is so relevant and so unbelievably consistent. There is no question at all that the intelligence that's operating here is on our team. But you have to use your mind. You got to get some Windex out, you guys. You got to clean to study the mathematics, to be interested in the astrology at the. And I teach it at the simplest, like I start at a fourth-grade level when you walk into my school at level one. I don't care how much you've studied this. This is the, the flirtation with astrology. I see so many people say, "Yeah, I have six houses in Virgo." Like, wait, what did you say? Like, don't talk like that in front of me. People think they know astrology, but they don't know astrology. They say, "I have, you know, I'm Virgo rising and my moon's in the 10th house, and I have sun in the 3rd house." I'm like, "That's impossible." What did you say? "Why do people say things like that?" Because we superficially, error, flirt with astrology until you come to my school, and then I simplify it. And I always start, I don't know if you know this, my very first class of level one is the elements. You can't do anything without studying the elements. That's the truth. And I'm so impressed that you downloaded that song before we started, and that this conversation is aiming at the magician's table. What are the four elements? What's your missing element? How do I help you to remember? Because that's the best question. And how do we surrender to this astrological matrix that was put in place with mastery by sh—the ETs, because there's no way a human mind could have created an airtight system unless it was an AI ET. I don't know. I don't know. But I have made a request that when I finish here, they'll let me know. Like, can I just get the dollar?

Or before? Or before. I'm hoping, but so far, I get a little bit of resistance when I want the full meal deal. Like, how did this happen? Raise your hand if you're interested. And I haven't got an answer yet. I am still inquiring.

Do you think humanity is ready to know where all this came from?

I think it would interrupt. I think the truth is, if we were really allowed access into the inner chambers of the archives of what occurs at the other level on the council, it would disrupt the capacity for us to learn the human nature lessons, which are, by the way, you guys, emotional. You come down to earth. It's a blue planet. It shouldn't be called Earth. It's blue. It should be called water. You come down here to study water. And what is that? In your wounds, your addictions, your fears, your sadness, your emotional body, your childhood, your parents, your lineage. That's all water. But we have disrupted the value of the human condition by thinking we were supposed to be grown-ups and act normal, and everyone was going to do this thing. I don't know what that means. Normal, a setting on the dryer. There is no such animal as normal. But that was the promise. When I grew up in the 50s and the 60s, we were told this is really.

Why I love astrology is it allowed me to release myself of the bondage of being normal and letting the uniqueness come forward and describing my elemental constitution and finding peace with it, and then helping other people. That's really been the fun part where I get to watch people learn.

You had once a vision that you were on that council that you just touched upon, and maybe not go into all the details, whatever you feel called to, maybe share of that vision because I feel like it's so important to really understand. Is there a higher council governing the these sacred laws, this human experience?

Are you really asking that question? Do you wonder about that?

Because let me help you.

Okay, but let me help you in no uncertain terms, you guys. This is not, you know, we have episodes in our life. We call those spiritual awakenings where there's a crisis, or where there's medicines that can be involved, where something happens and it shifts your consciousness forever. Well, that's what happened to me that day. And I kept it a secret for a long, long time. And then, Alio, it was actually Blue. Blue was the first person. I don't know how she got it out of me. And then Amelio listened to the blues, and then, of course, it went public. Yes, I was sitting on a council. I am self-conscious about this. I was sitting on a council. It was intergalactic. The person next to me was blue. It was a liquid, see-through being. And on the other side of me was a being that was dressed with, uh, animal furs, like the hat and the coat and the boots, and the, like a giant being. And now, I can't remember the others, except that very vividly, I was told by being presented into the middle of the circle where we telepathically all could communicate. It sounds like a science fiction movie, but it was real. And they said to me, "Deborah, we trust you. We're going to use your eyes and your ears." They said this to me. "You'll have no free will. We're going to bring people into your life and out of your life, and you're going to be willing because we saw your agreement." They, they basically reminded me of what I came to do. Now, this is extreme. It was under the influence of medicine. There's no one that will ever take it away from me. I tend to not talk about it because it makes me feel self-conscious and special, and I don't think I'm special. I just happen to be a very available channel, doorway opening that spirit trusts, as they do Amelio. If you practice every day in a prayer like we did before we started, and you say this every day, "Use me. I want nothing more than to be of service to my higher." This is my constant prayer. "Let me be of service to my higher self. Let your will be fulfilled because I'm here." Now, they knew they could trust me because the truth is, I've been doing that every day. So apparently, I have a very good job there, and I'm a great employee.

You're getting bonuses right now. The dividends are paying out. Um, you've said before also when it comes to free will, destiny, you know, there's this languaging that's used in the spiritual community. "I chose this life. I chose my parents. I chose my job." I chose all these different things. But you take that out of the picture and say, "No, this is an assignment."

Why do you differentiate between those two words? How do you go about it?

And, and thank you for listening to whatever you heard because you've definitely been doing your research. I, I get resentful with those new-age sentences like, "Everything's perfect, and you created your reality, and it's all meant to be," and like, sometimes I call them fat sentences. Like, those are just fat. Somebody made that up and just assumed it was true. It's cheap. I don't think I chose my parents because if you met them, you'd see why I don't think that. However, did I learn so much from them? Did I have a karmic connection with my father? Yes. Was my mother and I not in harmony? Yes. Did that create an entire impact and imprint for my entire lifetime? Yes. First of all, I resented it, and I had to go to therapy, and I had to get mad. Then that was the water. Messy, messy water. Then I got to air, and I was like, "Wait a minute. Wait a minute." I read somewhere that I chose this. Well, that's silly. What is the writing? And I began to have independent thoughts. Then I got to Earth, and I thought, "I've got to forgive them. I can't carry this memory and this trauma into my psyche because I'm going to hand it to my kids." And then I got to fire, and I liberated myself. And now, did I tell you my joke? I'm the president of the Juice for Joy Club. And I don't have a lot of members, but I had to find joy because my childhood was so painful. And the family I grew up in, for good reason, they were refugees. Came into this country with a lot of pain. So I heard "oi" a lot. And then I made a decision in this life because my Saturn's in Sagittarius. That's my, and that's in my book, "I Don't Believe in Astrology." He's got Saturn in Taurus. The promise Amelio promised this life was to go slow, and we all feel that in him. His energetic is so calm.

I'm Latino too. So we go, we go really slow. We Colombians, we go.

I love that so much. Well, that's, you're right in the right place. To my point, the karma matches your lesson. I have Saturn and fire in Sagittarius. I came in this life to say [ __ ] to be blunt, to be wild, to have to manage what it is to be a wild Jewish woman from Detroit. And I managed it enough to get to the place where I reduced my ego identity. Like that was the package I came in. Those were the parents that I was assigned. I don't think I chose them. And at some point, I entered the free will zone where I forgave everyone, realized this was my assignment, agreed to work for my team, and gave them all I had. Once that happened, my success began.

You entered the free will zone. What allows you access to that zone? Is it a choice that you make?

Here, here's what it is. You stop complaining. The first variable of a free will zone is there's no more saying all that noisy sounding complaining, wishing it was different. You don't like this. You don't like your job. You don't like your boss. You assume the position of the free will. "I chose this." Just pretend. Just try for me. Just practice for a little while. "I've chosen this life." When my husband died, I have children with a man who ended up with MS. At the end of that, as you can imagine, my water was completely distraught. And then my air was completely confused. Or why would I choose that? What kind of choice would that be to have your husband with the disease? And then I got to practicality. I went, "Hold on a minute." This is where the free will came in. I've got to stop complaining. And I made up the song. Ready? "Falling in love with your fate. Falling in love with your fate. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling. Falling in love with your fate." I had to fall in love with my fate. I had to stop complaining. I had to choose it because I had such a terrible story. And then I got to the fire, where I realized that was the doorway of success. I, I now have free will to say to my life as it is. You know, every day I say, "Thank you so much." I'm constantly saying thank you.

I also came across something that you said because you had this hardship growing up, and you said that you have the ability to go inside anyone's psyche fearlessly because you've been there. So talk to us about what it's like to go inside the psyche of the collective, because you've done thousands of readings for people. What's it like to go directly into the psyche of humanity and how have you seen it evolve over the years?

I don't know that it's evolved. So, I want to start there. But I'm going to tell you that my, the entrance was my first seven years of my psychological career was working with chronic mental patients who were in the back wards of hospitals, and I got known to work with the people that no one else could work with. And I have this famous story about Bob Whipple. Bob Whipple talked in food salad. He talked like this: "Tuesday, my toothbrush fell, and I said to the doctor, 'I can't get to the appointment on time.'" So, my mom got really mad, and my dad ended up being a lawyer. And I said, "I am never gonna take that class." And that's how he would talk in front of people. And one day I walked up to him and I said, "Bob, you should do standup." Like, that was so good. And then he and I secretly became friends, and I entered into Bob Whipple's consciousness. And for a year and a half, I had the night manager job in a mental hospital where people lived in little hotels. Was in, it was in California. There was all these little spaces they lived in, but they would come to eat together, and I would give them their meds. And this is such a crazy story. One day Bob Whipple and I were going for a walk. I'd been working there for a year and a half. We had an amazing relationship. No one believed it because he talked to me when no one was looking. We ended up becoming friends. He did that word salad with everyone else and acted crazy, but with me, we would talk. And at the final end, I said, "Bob, can I ask you a question? Why do you talk to me? Like, why when I'm around you speak English?" And he said, "I don't want a two-car garage." And I entered. He didn't want normal living in LA. He didn't want to buy a house and end up with the two-car garage. He. And I had the skill of not judging the unconscious mind and embracing it as though I understood it, because I didn't really, to begin with. And all those patients, I, there was never a woman that had the night manager job before in this. It was called Beverlywood, and I'd answer the phone, "Beverly would be sane if she didn't live here." I haven't told this story on a podcast. The point of that story is I spent many.

Years working in backwards of hospitals where I watched the outworking of the unconscious mind, and I became fearless to be in the presence of non-logic, where it was scary, where it was unbelievably crazy. And as the years went by, I realized that it wasn't much different than normal people. The only difference was we have logic operating in our operating system, and they work with the unconscious. And as I became fearless to be in the presence of that energy and not move away from it, but lean in, it gave me access to all of the clients I've worked with all the years. Not to say that people are crazy, but I the unconscious mind is crazy. This is in my book.

The gremlins that exist in our unconscious mind don't get paid, but they work all the time. And they say mean things like, "You're overweight. You're aging. You're going to be lonely. Your mother doesn't love you. You're so soothing." Like, there's a lot of voices that live in the unconscious. Until we make the unconscious conscious, which is why I love Carl Jung's work. There is a dirty unconscious mind that I studied fearlessly, which gave me access to having everyone tell me their secrets, whatever they don't want to talk about, and I make crazy normal.

So I can say to someone, "Listen, whatever your crazy internal dialogue is, whatever creates the addiction, wherever your fear is, however it is that you talk to yourself in the mirror, all of that is just one strand. You don't have to listen to those voices." When I told those people in that in Beverlywood when they'd come in and they'd be hearing voices, and I would say, "Just talk back to them. Tell them to leave you alone." And it worked. It's the opportunity to actually recognize that there's an awareness that's awake that watches this entire movie right now. You guys, anyone listening to this, there's a part of you that is observant, that is wise, that is ancient, that chose to be here. It just doesn't seem to have the microphone. It seems like the microphone gets captured by gremlins and internal dialogue, and the body gets nervous. And so the voice of wisdom, of calm, of safety. I'm safe. I live in a world where I've seen so much of the unconscious in its very ugly format. I've heard so many stories of the human condition. And yet I can say, "Stay in the calm place." I ask all of you to find that part of yourself that says, "Oh, that's right. I chose to be here. This was a free will decision. I don't know about if I picked my parents. I'm not going there. But I'm going to say without a question, I definitely chose to be here at 2025 to 2030 to see if I could assist our family in this transition." And I ask you the same. You're not here by coincidence, Amelio. This is a definite destiny that you promised to be our eyes and our ears. And you really ask the deep questions and get us to tell our secrets. You're so good at that. That first interview, I was like, "Wait a minute. This guy's a detective. He went into my bottom drawer and found out all my secrets and is saying it out loud again." And then I loved it, 'cause what is better than being seen and heard and felt? There's nothing better.

You've also been saying a lot lately that we're in a transition toward a whole new species, and it's really hard to interpret or predict what that will be like. But I'm curious to know, since we're talking about the unconscious mind of humanity, the craziness in that aspect, the misunderstood, what will be the role of that unconscious mind to propel humanity into this new evolution, this future human that we're heading into? I think when we think about AI, it doesn't have an unconscious. Think about it. It doesn't operate. What is the unconscious? Freud called it a cauldron of seething excitations, like a stirring of the unconscious mind that comes with these bubbles and fears and thoughts that are negative and scary and exciting and sexual, and there's just a million things that live in your unconscious. AI doesn't have an unconscious. So it's a radical departure that's going to be interfacing with the human. Now, the right use of the unconscious, the healthy version, is we remember the words to the songs that we hadn't heard since we were a kid. We can tell you the name of our grandpa and tell you what he smelled like. We can remember what it was like being in kindergarten when we walked into school and took off our boots. There's these crazy memories that live in the unconscious that are absolutely art. It creates art. It's creativity. The unconscious mind. It has memories and associations and music and smells and poetry. That's the high road. The low road is the dirty realm of the unconscious is urges and fears and surges and violence and evil, and that has to stop. So the new version of the human is once the unconscious I've been saying this since I was in graduate school. What is it that makes us do what's not good for us? Why do we eat too much? Why do we not sleep? Why do we hurt the people we love the most? Why do we end things with such awkwardness? We never know how to go back and say thank you to the one that hurt us. Like we're just a bad design. Can I be honest and say that the new version, your question is well asked, the new rendition will take because AI is very, very way more intelligent than us. There's going to be an interfacing with the wisdom of the high road of the spiritual human who was clairvoyant when we started and had such clarity in the systems, were so open, the chakras, that's going to get reinstated. But in the meantime, there's this awkward transition of being in the birth canal, and it's just uncomfortable.

The yogis, and especially in that tradition, what's known as the big cycles of the Kali Yuga, the Satya Yugas, the Treta Yuga, all those Yuga cycles that we know about. When you've studied those and looked into the bigger picture, why would a species choose in its design to go through a descent of consciousness like we were, you call it the age of forgetting, the Kali Yuga that ended, if I'm not wrong, this year. So what's the big picture of that?

I think you're asking these. I love that your son's in the eighth house, as is mine, that we're both so deep and you really want to get to origin and you really want to go underneath the underneath. The question you're asking, evolution, this is what I'm doing with the tarot deck, the arc of evolution. It starts off with the fool. The next step is the magician. Then comes the high priestess. And then we enter into all these love affairs and we break our hearts and we get scared and we have death and we have the devil and the tower comes in shape, and then we end. The last card is the world card. And the world card is you've been through evolution in its full arc. You've been through creation and destruction. You've watched the waves. Capricorn is the very last card. If you can be wise enough, Saturn, actually, if I, I'll speak in first person because you're asking such profound questions. As I age, as I come towards 70, I've realized that there's a lot that my mind cannot accept or understand or project into. My mind has a limited capacity. The operating system I have, I can't get why astrology started. Not that I haven't asked a million times. I can't get what it is that happens on the other side, although I've researched it extensively. I just, there's places where the mind goes, "Beep, beep, beep, beep. We cannot compute. You'll stop right here and go back to where you started and do not knock again because you keep knocking on the door and we never open. Don't you get it?" Okay. Sorry. I keep asking the same stupid. Okay. So, I realize that at the same time, what the world card says is, I, and this is for everyone listening, I realize that whatever the world card is, whatever you're going through in your life right now, you're doing it for all of us. We're a family of humans that came in to evolve the species. Period. If your personal story has so much angst or so much joy or so much sadness or so much pain, or you name it, you're doing it for all of us. And as soon as you can actively choose to turn on your observer or take the elevator into your higher self or put yourself into meditation and come back to peace, you'll be able to integrate, as you say, the two worlds. As above, so below. You'll be able to bring the marriage. And everywhere across this extreme galaxy, creation and destruction and movement are the constants. So, are we surprised that we're declining? Is the Kaluga 26,000-year cycle something that we can track, or the Mayan calendar, or the Gregorian? I mean, all these calendars were doing the best they could. What's true underneath all of it is change is inevitable. Life continues no matter what. Unconquerable life prevails. It'll never stop. And the humility is the question I'm going to leave you all with is, what is my role? What do you want me to do in the name of the world for my family? What did I sign up for again? Wait, what was the choice that I can't remember? That's why we study astrology. Once you take level one, you can't not look at your chart and go, "Oh, so he's got Moon in Taurus and Saturn in Taurus. In this lifetime, he promised to be embodied." Amelio's chart screams visceral. Yours might scream intellectual. That's why you're on a podcast listening so long. Yours might scream practicality, and you're only listening to this in chunks because you've got to go back to work. Yours might scream passion. So, you get so excited about everything. This is the flavor you carry. Figure it out. Study your charts. That's funny. Get back to the familiarity of the agreement you made, and then watch the magic begin. I'm speaking from experience. My life has become so graceful. I woke up yesterday morning with a black cat in my house. I don't have a cat. Somebody opened up the door, apparently, in the middle of the night, and let a cat in my house. And I woke up, and I was kind of scared 'cause I was hearing it going. I opened the door. The cat walked out to the front door, walked down the stairs. I opened the door. I thought, if there's not magic on this planet when you're awake and you're available and you're listening and you're willing to see, then this place becomes a delight. If you're not getting the delight factor, if there's something that's really blocking you from peace, from full acceptance, then ask for help. I've got 25 astrologers on my site that I've trained, that are certified, that if you send me your birth date, I will do the matchmaker game. I'll put you with the right person. Ask for help. Trust the people that you know to be trustworthy. 'Cause if you close your eyes and you put your hand on your belly, you know who you trust. And there's not many. Could be the dog. But when you find those people you trust, your best friend, your allies, your mother, your lover, your old friends, stay put because this planet's going to go through major transitions. And the quality of connectedness, which is Amelio's specialty, depth, listening, pausing, holding our hearts. This is community. That's how we're going to get through this threshold.

You've said that a lot of old souls know that the formula down here on Earth is consistency, commitment, and follow-through. That's been my life, literally. That's been up to now 27 years, that's been my life. But I wanted to know if that formula is expanding in any way in the next iteration of the human. Do you feel like we'll be required new things to be operating in a planet maybe in a higher dimension where time is faster, accelerant, where do you see that formula standing in the coming years?

It's hard to project the new version of the human, the new Earth. The only thing I know for sure. I don't know about the follow-through, although that's Earth. You're Saturn and your Moon in Taurus. That is your essence, and it is mine too, which is why we resonate. And that is a high road. The Buddha was a Taurus. Follow-through, consistency, repetitive chance, praying. That's one math, one path. The new rendition. The only thing I know for sure is that kindness and love and quieter, like telepathy. I feel like the human is upgrading into a version that is ultimately humanitarian and a mixture of AI that I can't discern yet, except to say the intelligence will be far greater when the unconscious mind is not interrupting all the time. So my prayer, let's just leave it with this. My prayer of the new version of the human is a masterful, elegant weaving of the human at its best in the sensual world, because we love the smells and the touch and the feelings and all of that, coupled with the higher intelligence that says, "Think of the future. Think of seven generations. Keep your attention on how we can sustain an existence that is kind and gentle." Let's get rid of this unbelievable old human urge to consume, to compete, to compare. Let's take those three C's out.

And I think as humanity enters collectively the free will zone, we have to be really aware of these choices. And you say that we're recreating our societal values right now. Um, what have they been before, and what choices do we have now to recreate those in a new way?

Well, I think you know exactly as a. How old are you? 27. I love that so much. As a 27-year-old, what we know for sure is the old system that was comparing, competing, consuming without an off button doesn't serve sustainability. The new version is going to consider the long view. We're not going to be immediate. That's the unconscious mind. Rush, flight, fear, fight. It's that's an urge that doesn't necessarily serve the long view. It just takes care of the. So, the mature next version of the human will have a spiritual astrology map in their head where they'll be able to see long view and say, "Hold on, we're not in a rush. We trust this moment in time. We feel scared and anxious and we're in a rush." I mean, being in New York and London and just watching the rhythm and the lack of physical connection with people and with the earth itself shocked me. So, the new version coming soon to your neighborhood has to get embodied because you are doing your practices, and you are Amelio. You guys like drink your water consciously. Pray over your food. I pray over every meal. I know it's awkward, and we tend to forget because we've lost the sanctification of our identity as a higher self. We all think we're an ego. Don't get fooled. I'm not Deborah Silverman. I got a little package. It's temporary. I'm not going to live for that much longer in this little package. But what will sustain itself across time is my soul. And all of you old souls know this. And as soon as you meet someone that you've met before, which I feel like Amelio, I know you. You meet that person and you go, "I don't know why I feel like I know you." That's soul contracts. That's soul contact. That lets the ego be put in its seat. I invite all of you in the name of astrology, go find out your rising sign, Mr. Sag rising, because the simple version said the astrologer of how to get clear about your purpose is one. Your rising sign takes you to your higher self. It's called the ascendant. So, focus on your rising sign, not your sun sign. That's your ego. And two, where's your Saturn, Mr. Taurus? And wherever Saturn is, this is in my book. I don't believe in astrology. Then you just go read that chapter and you go, "Oh, I'm pretending I'm Amelio. My Saturn's in Taurus. Well, that's good. My Moon's there, too. I can slow down and not feel bad that I'm taking a little longer with my podcast. That I don't want to get pushed. That I don't want someone telling me what to. You've got such a high value for authentic timing. Don't push, Amelio. I can say I just, I can imagine what you're like when people try to push you around." Stick your feet in the ground. And I. Yes. Very firm. And I, on the other hand, I get blunt and harsh. My Saturn's in fire. I'm the one that says "F---" and I get in trouble. And I've learned as the wisdom keeper to take a breath before I talk. Which one out of all the 12 signs, zodiac signs, is the most misunderstood right now in pop culture, the mainstream, maybe in the circles that you've hung out around that are dabbling with astrology? That's a great. You ask the best questions. I'm going to say Scorpio. Scorpio gets a bad rap in an esoteric law. Alice Bailey's version. Scorpio is one of the highest signs. It's probably the highest sign because they will destroy their ego in the pursuit of their soul. They're not attached to their ego. So, they are willing to be unliked. They are willing to be mean. They're willing to stand apart. They have this quiet. They won't talk unless they have something to say. That's an unpopular posture for the human condition brought to you by the ego. So, they get told they're mean and they're grumpy and they're edgy. And there's truth to that. And the high road of Scorpio is really undiscovered. It's unspoken to. And in Alice Bailey, it's really rewritten. So, thank you for asking the question. Scorpio in astrology, there's an avatar point of all 360 degrees, which is 15 degrees Scorpio. And I always think of the reason why it's avatar is if you can master the unconscious mind lives in Scorpio. If you can master the dark, I love that the light is everywhere in this picture. If you can master the dark, fearlessly go into the dark of the what would be called evil or fearful or dangerous because you felt so safe. That's the Scorpio fearlessly walking into the dark because they know who they are, and the light always diminishes the dark. There's nothing to be afraid of when you turn the light on. But it's just unfortunate that Scorpio gets such a bad rap in the classical astrology books, the old-fashioned astrology books. It's called exoteric astrology. And I teach esoteric astrology where Scorpio is valued.

And there's also some signs, presumably earth, that are able to operate more in the physical reality in a way that serves the physical reality, if that makes sense. You know, my dad's a Capricorn, and I've seen how he manages the finances and all these things. So, what is that in the sense? Why are?

I love these questions you're asking. And by the way, we're going on for a long time. Um, let's see. I'd say all three earth signs have a relationship, obviously, to the physical world and to manifestation. Taurus is simplicity. It's I always think of it as Winnie the Pooh, like how simple the pleasures are of this life and not pushing it and not making more of it. Virgo is the critic who is here to perfect and reform and actually refine this existence by giving instructions and criticizing. So it's a burden. And then Capricorn, as you described, is the physical plane of money and success and prestige. And so all of them are operating in the earth realms. The distinction is based on the level of consciousness of the person playing out that sign. So, it's really unfair. I like to look at the soul's evolution when I look at a chart and see where I'm going to speak to, because every conversation is relative to the one listening, and my way of teaching in our system. When I give a reading, everything is related back to you and where you are, not to where I am. And that's what I teach. How do you hear people and give them feedback on their terms and not project a classical story of Virgo? Take your time, back it up, see what they've created, and be the mirror on their terms. That makes an astrology reading very different than giving the rote answer of "every Virgo's critical." No, every Taurus is slow. No, every Taurus is thorough. Every Virgo has high standards. You're going to want to distinguish and differentiate when you're. That's what I teach. How do you give a reading to someone that really touches their heart? What a great job we have, astrologers. The deepest conversations with somebody talking about their deepest self. It's my favorite thing to do.

It lets you see behind the veil in a way. And. Yeah. I don't know if you've seen this viral meme where it's like, you're dating someone and all of a sudden you're having a conversation or in text, and they ask you, "What's your birthday?" And then it's like, "Run." You know, how do you normalize asking people for their charts? And I mean, obviously, you, because it's your profession, like before we did the podcast, your team was like, "Send us your chart." I'm like, "Okay, I got you."

Everybody. How do you normalize that in. You know, this is really important. If you're listening to this podcast and you've listened this long, you don't have to wonder about that. You're with your people. You're interested in this conversation. You've been listening to all kinds of podcasts, studying astrology and the Enneagram and the Gene Keys and learning about your, you know, chakras. That says a lot. And those are the people you're hanging with, and they're not going to be offended. The people that don't understand it, that run away. You are glad they ran away because it doesn't match. If you're on that frequency, you'll match them. If you're not, don't impose. Let it be. Let people be, said the astrologer. It's so what a waste of time trying to judge someone else, trying to change someone else. It's like a joke. I always tell women, they want to change men. They want men to be different. They want to give instructions. I really caught myself on this and I realized nobody asked your opinion, Deborah. If they don't pay me or they didn't ask me a question, I'm not talking.

One of the last things I wanted to touch with you today, Deborah, is going back to the archetypes and bringing in Carl Jung and all these teachings into the conversation. Which archetypes do you feel that humanity is outgrowing right now as we enter the Aquarian age?

I think the tarot card that is present for the collective is the Tower card. I thought about this a lot, that it's a time where everything is breaking in order to make room for the new human. We are in a destructive, so it appears, but it's just simply a shattering of the old, dismantling the old structures. Um, the archetype for the collective, I would say there is a secret. It's like Harry Potter's was so famous because of this. There's a secret wish in the zeitgeist right now that magic was real. Everyone wants to know this is being organized by a higher intelligence, and there are wizards and there are magicians and there are astrologers organizing this. And the truth is, there are. So I'd like to use the archetype of the magician as the, and the, and of course, he has the four elements sitting on his desk, but the magician archetype is the ability to shapeshift and manifest according to the cosmic laws, the esoteric laws, when that becomes the future, which we're fascinated by. Why is astrology all over the internet? Why is it that everywhere you go, they're talking about how strange it is here? Why is everybody got AI answering questions about the Akashic Records? Is that just my feed? Because I'm seeing it everywhere. That's because we're longing for the answers, and that is the zeitgeist. The archetype is the magician is here now. So don't you worry, we are being watched.

Is there something that astrologers rarely talk about, but that you feel holds the hidden keys for humanity's evolution?

I would simply say they do talk about it a lot, though. I would simply say that the transition to the outer planets in 2026, mostly 2027, 28, and 29, is everybody's mystery that they're sitting on the edge of their seat. It's hard to talk about something you haven't seen yet. So, we're all on the edge of our seat. It was like when COVID came, we could see that in the chart. We knew something was going to happen. We didn't know what, but we definitely can see. This is once again the same thing. We know something's going to happen with the continuation of Pluto in Aquarius and Uranus in Gemini and Neptune in Aries and Saturn in Aries. It's all fire and air going on for the next five years, six, seven years. Let's see how that translates, especially 2026 and 2027, while Saturn's in Aries. I can't wait to see, but I can't answer the question honestly with enough content. I can just say there's some indicators suggesting.

From just a felt perception or a sense, how do you feel the summer of 2025 is going to be different than the summer of 2026?

Great question. Great question. The summer of 2025 was the rumblings. We began to feel the upward, the radical civil war energy in the United States. We began to feel the unbelievable what is going on in Gaza. It's so beyond the mind's capacity. In by 2026 and 2027, there's no more feeling the rumblings. There's action, and people are going to find themselves really having to do some. They will not be able to sit idle. Right now, we've got this pause. Saturn's in Pisces and Neptune's in Pisces. We're kind of sleepy, and it's going to change. Yeah, we're back in the. We're back where we were the last two and a half years. It was like business as usual. Let's pretend there's no climate change. It's okay that the governments are falling apart. That's going to change in the summer of 2026. By May, June, July, we'll be like, "This is what Deborah was talking about. It's going to be very visceral, and we'll have direct experiences of it." Right now, it's on the news. Ice comes to town, but we'll have direct experiences of it. Too many of them to be able to sit idle. There'll be action. Saturn's in Aries, and we'll be taking action. Mark my words. And we'll definitely be having more conversations from now until then to make sense of what's going on.

Uh, Deborah, we end every show, as you know, with a little segment of final questions personalized to each guest. Before that, where would you send people to connect with you, your beautiful work, your devotion to humanity, everything that you have going on? Uh, where would you send people for that?

It's very simple. Three words. Deborah, Debb, Ra, DeborahSilvermanastrology.com on Instagram, on Facebook, on TikTok. I can't even believe it. I'm 90 years old. I'm on TikTok. Um, on, you know, if you go and you go to my website, you're going to see blogs that I write, and you can go to Shift Network and take the astrology tarot class. The school starts in January. We only have the doors open in September and in January, and we sold out this term. So good to know that you can get prepared to come for January. Six weeks long, and it's studying your chart. There's only 10 people in the room. So it's very personalized because my whole thing, like yours, is the intimacy of true connection is where the major changes occur.

100%. 100%. For the final trio, the first question I have for you is, what kind of humanity do you want to leave behind for our children and the future generations?

A humanity that has so much faith, it's just like breathing. A humanity that knows that there are divine rules, esoteric laws that allow us to be kind. Kindness is the biggest word that I would leave behind. A humanity that understands the elders and the youth are equally important. Take care of the youth and take care of the elders. A humanity that remembers that change is inevitable and there's no need to resist.

This next question, it's not really a question. Uh, it's finish the following sentence. No matter what happens in 2026, remember blank.

Remember who you are, that you signed up for this. It was a volunteer position. You've got to super glue that. Tattoo it on your arm. I chose this.

Last question. This one's really about integrating everything that we've talked about today. And that is, what do you want every single listener, every viewer to try for the next 7 to 30 days that would permanently change their timeline?

If you woke up every morning, put your hand on your heart, just this is one minute long. And just take a minute. I love how you are so deliberate, Amelio, in your breath. And you take a deep breath and you just say, "Use me to your soul. I'm all yours. Let my life be a reflection of the highest version of myself. Let my life be a reflection of the highest version of myself. Use me. I'm all yours. Let this life be a reflection of my highest version. Just give that every single day. Who can I be of service to?" And then watch your world change.

So it is Deborah Silverman again. Thank you so much for. I love that the lighting all this funny things. It's it's coming in. It's you're it's illuminating you. I love you so much. I can't wait to meet you one day. I know we met at that blue event, but I didn't know then what I know now. We didn't know yet. We didn't know yet what was going to happen. The destiny lines had their way. And the same thing with those of you listening. The destiny lines just had their way. You're in this room and you're being reminded that there is in fact a design and God's not playing with dice. And it's not a surprise you're here. Not a surprise at all. So, thank you for everyone for following that destiny line. Thank you, Deborah, for. We just did an hour and a half. You're unbelievable. How did you get that out of me? Time flies with us. Time flies with us. It's true. You ask the best questions. Thank you.