An AI Conversation for Everyday People w/ Will.i.am & Van Jones | EP #154

You came forward with an idea called "Make Wakanda Real." The majority of youth on Earth is in Africa; a new civilization is being born as we speak. Music icon, tech innovator, and creative visionary Will.i.am is shaping the future one hit and one tech breakthrough at a time. He's joined by Van Jones, CNN commentator, social justice advocate, and best-selling author, driving change at the intersection of politics, media, and reform.

This new human civilization that's coming into being—is it going to be human? Is it going to be civilized? I've never seen equality in my life until now. 99% of black kids don't know anything about AI, and 99% of white kids don't either. Nigeria is going to boom; Ghana's going to boom; Zimbabwe—back to "Make Wakanda Real"—it's already started. China's already there. We're in danger of creating a human civilization that has an awful lot of data and very little wisdom. That's the reason why I'm not worried about AI, because it's going to unlock that superhuman. I don't think people are prepared for how fast things are going to change. [Music] Now that's a moonshot, ladies and gentlemen.

I think most of you know that the news media is delivering negative news to us all the time because we pay 10 times more attention to negative news than positive news. For me, the only news worthwhile that's true and impacting humanity is the news of science and technology. That's what I pay attention to, and every week I put out two blogs: one on AI and exponential tech, and one on longevity. If this is of interest to you, and it's available totally for free, please join me; subscribe at DMandis.com. Subscribe—that's DMandis.com—subscribe. All right, let's go back to the episode, everybody. Welcome to Moonshots. Today I'm having a conversation with two incredible leaders in the technology and creative world. The first is Will.i.am, a multi-Grammy award-winning artist from the Black Eyed Peas, perhaps the most compelling thinker on the convergence of technology, culture, and education. Just to hear him speak about the way he thinks around AI and technology and the world about us is a beautiful thing. I'm also joined by Van Jones, a 13-year veteran with CNN, a political commentator, social activist, working at the intersection of media, technology, and justice. We're going to be talking about the impact of AI on creating a true meritocracy in the world, and how do we use AI to uplift every man, woman, and child in the global South, in Africa, and how we make AI something that enables us to create a world where we're not bombarded by the negative news. You know, I'm going to be going in with Van Jones, talking about the Crisis News Network, CNN; he's going to tell me his perspective about why the news is so negative. Let's jump into this conversation with two incredible visionary individuals. Hey guys, welcome.

Last time I saw you, Van, was at Google Zeitgeist. Yes, and we kicked off not only just a partnership, but a friendship. Yeah, absolutely. It was awesome. I've been recommending your book, *The Future is Faster Than You Think*, to literally everybody. And I—for some—I didn't know you were gonna be there. I come around the corner, and there's Peter Diamandis. I was like, "Holy crap!" So, um, no, it's—it's—it's been extraordinary to get a chance to have my team and your team working together to get these exponential thinking concepts out to folks who just have missed the memo, but who are wide open. I tell you one thing that's amazing is folks from communities that have been overlooked or underestimated—disruption is great for them. Yeah, a chance to catch up. It's like—it's like we gotta disrupt the status quo. We're gonna disrupt these schools. Great. You know, nobody's holding back, so it's awesome. Yeah, and Will, last time I saw you, you were in the ancient Greek stadium in Athens for the first Global, and you were blasting at 2 billion deaths. Yeah, that was—that was—that was magical. That was amazing. We just announced Panama. Yeah, I saw that. So Panama will be this year for the robotics. And for people who don't know, this is FIRST Robotics; this is Dean Kamen's gig; he's the Grand Puba of FIRST. But, but here, Will, you have been one of the greatest amplifiers, and you—how many teams do you fund? Um, over 500. Wow. And we have served about 15,000 students in LA District. Amazing. We've sent kids to Dartmouth, to Brown, Stanford, for a STEM curriculum, and uh, yeah, can continue—continue the work. We'll talk about this. Our hunch was right, like when we started in 2008, that the world will be more technological, and how do you prepare folks for this technological world? And here we are in the midst of a technological transformation on a societal level that will change how we work, how we—how we do pretty much everything. Yeah, how we—how we're parents, how we raise our kids, how we govern our nations—everything. Yeah, every single industry is going to change. You know, one thing is I don't think people are prepared for how fast things are going to change. Uh, you know, I mean, you—you've been at the front end, building companies and building technology to enable creatives to use this tech to become more creative and to go faster, deeper, bigger, and global, and that's been—and that's been beautiful. I—I grabbed two quotes from each of you that I thought was really powerful. And Van, this is the one I heard, and I've tweeted, and I've told everybody about it. I heard you say this at—at Google Zeitgeist, and it's: "AI is not a hand grenade that blows up your life; it's a jetpack to set you free." Yeah, absolutely. Well, I mean, certainly if we choose it to be that, it definitely can be that. You know, one of the things about Will.i.am—I never heard of AI except it's—so maybe some abstract science fiction stuff, and—and so he asked me to come over to FYI, which is here in Los Angeles, and it's kind of like this incredible beehive of activity and creatives and artists and technological people, and he sat—sat me down and showed me his AI. And this was—what, four or five years ago? I saw an early—early version on your phone. Yeah, and—and—and I was like, "What—what—what?" I was like, I thought you going to—you know, hit me with a new beat or something. Like a new beat in human civilization. I'm like, "What the hell?" So—we build hardware and software. Yeah, it's nuts. And so—um, that really—I mean, I—I had the chance to—I did—yes, we code, working with Prince, you know, just trying to get some—just basic, you know, coding stuff going, but he had gone to a completely different level, and—um, you know, it's just remarkable. And so you—now you know people are getting to catch up to the beginning of his first sentence, and he's like three, you know, trilogies later. His own journey, definitely right. I mean, you're five, six years solidly into this, and you just started your podcast with your AI co-host. What's your—what's your AI co-host name? So, yeah, the first—the first persona agent that we built was Fiona. That's right. And now we have—just based on FYI, we gonna run out of F names, so we have Fiona, Felicia, Fiera, Finn, um, um, yeah, Phillip, um, Felix. This guy named Feto—Feto is like ultra—like, expressive. The same with Felicia. Yeah, Felicia is like the most colorful, expressive agent that we have. And—um, we moved out of Fs now; we have Mr. K for—s like Men in Black here. Yeah, so Mr.—Mr. K is a—in collaboration with our—our partnership with LG—LG. Mr. K is Korean—um—all things Korea, South Korea, K-pop—but it's an LG agent persona, 'cause we—we—we—we're deploying our AI on their speakers and eventually TVs, and then we have—other—other partners that we're about to announce. But yeah, so Fiona was the first agent persona that we built. You imagine everybody's going to end up having their buddies, friends as AI agents. Your most close confidant. I mean, the first AI agent version I've ever heard of—my favorite is Jarvis from Iron Man. Right? Jarvis is there. Jarvis takes you from wherever you are to wherever you want to go. It's a jetpack, right? It's—it's leveling the playing field. And since Iron Man is part of the Avengers, let's—let's go there. You came forward with an idea called "Make Wakanda Real." Yes. That—that was good. I like how you did that. Thank you. Thank you. So smooth. He smooth. Thank you. Listen, there's no one smoother than you, my friend. Like, wow, that works. That was—that was nice how you did. So for those who haven't heard of your program, your effort, uh, what is it? And—and why are you doing it? Because it's going to set the basis for this whole conversation. Well, um, Will.i.am is so far ahead of—like, it in a lot of ways in terms of his ability to bring culture, art, spirituality, political consciousness, technology. And then when you take a step back from him, there's a big gulf in terms of what's going on in the black community and the kind of conversations that's going on. And so for me, I thought it was really important since we have someone who's already such a pioneer, how do you get other people at least engaging with the conversation? Well, luckily, um, Wakanda—which is, you know, in the Marvel superhero universe—it's a black African nation that is the most technologically advanced in the world. They're using technology for good; they're a heroic country. Um, they also have culture. I'm like, like this, I said we should use this metaphor um as an answer back to the despair, an answer back to the loss of feeling of being left behind, and—and—and—and a reality of—of being left behind in a lot of ways where, you know, we're past Obama, you know, it's not a hope and change kind of moment, and there's a lot of people who are really giving up, a politics of resentment in the black community, a politics of despair in the black community, and how do you fix that? What you got to fix it with hope, but it's got to be hope that has something to do with—with—with today. Yeah. And so—about a year and a half ago—we said, "Well, why don't we go to FYI, where I got my brain blown open with all this stuff, and just bring the whole community there?" And he opened the doors, and we had a simple event called "Make Wakanda Real," and it was an amazing thing. You know, several hundred people showed up from the community; we could not get them to leave. And it was—and—and—and this guy breaks out in the middle of—of, you know, we're doing our—our talk, our interview, and with giving me no notice as usual, he just pulls out his phone, and the persona on his phone starts—they start having a debate and arguments, and the people's jaws are hanging on the ground. Nobody ever seen anything like this before. I think I've seen the video clip. Yeah, and it just—and it just—and it really—it really started something. So now we have this whole movement now that came out—out of—out of a Will.i.am shop. Everybody, Peter, here, if you're enjoying this episode, please help me get the message of abundance out to the world. We're truly living during the most extraordinary time ever in human history, and I want to get this mindset out to everyone. Please subscribe and follow wherever you get your podcasts, and turn on notifications so we can let you know when the next episode is being dropped. All right, back to our episode. So Will, take it—take it a step further. What's your—what success look like for this—for this effort in five years' time? I don't think anybody can predict 10 years, but five years maybe. That's a deep one. Um, first we have to like address growth and what's actually happening on the continent of Africa, and what's not happening on the continent of Africa. But this is beyond just Africa; this is inner-city youth in LA, in Atlanta. Yeah, every place, right? Yeah, but "Make Wakanda Real" is based on this Wakanda. Yes, okay. And this growth that's happening on Earth, in Africa—the majority of youth on Earth is in Africa. Yeah, that means 2040, 2050, the majority of the folks that are, you know, um, leading companies, working at companies, because of the youth population in Africa is going to be African. I—I—I think people don't realize demographics here, uh, and I just want to take a second to address that. We've got China was a—has been a dominant player. Uh, India has overtaken China in terms of the largest nation on the planet, with now 1.41 billion people. The majority of the world, putting Africa aside, is in a retrenchment mode; the population is dropping throughout the rest of Asia, most of Europe, the US, and so forth. And I've said this before: I think India is going to surpass China, and then what surpasses that ultimately is Africa, because of Africa's youth, because of its resources. Those two things together give it sort of this demographics and destiny. So when you put that into my—in—into—in the context, "Make Wakanda Real" is what? So that means 2060, a lot of people are going to look half-black, half-Chinese, M—half-black, half-Indian, which is awesome. Y—it's a beautiful mix. So that collaboration that's going to help Africa boom is at China-Africa; it's already happening. This is the—the what do you call it—the Belt Road program in China; it's already happening. Yeah, that's awesome. Is it India and Africa? That's—that's going to be an amazing collaboration. Is it African-American-Africa? Mhm. Um, and that's what "Make Wakanda Real" is for. African-Americans, barring from a Disney film on the Black Panthers, MH, which in America, the Black Panthers were like—dunzo. American infiltration. That's interesting, right? Because—so just using—using these metaphors—time—time—time has—has—has dulled that one down, and—and uh, *The Avengers* has brought Black Panther to have a positive connotation. So so you know you see the—I started there to show you where—like, where Africa is the continent, MH. Then there's the Congo. So if there was a re—a mineral, rare mineral that is metaphorically like car—which, vibranium—it's what's happening in the Congo now. So that metaphor is not like uh, you know, it's not—it's not a huge stretch; it's real. It's pretty real. For those who don't know, I mean, you're—you're mining various uh, elements and minerals in the Congo that are required for your cell phone, your CPUs, your GPUs. Yeah. And so—and that being said, you said GPUs. I'mma land this fact on—on your word there. There are no GPUs on the continent—none. Yeah. So here we are talking about "Make Wakanda Real," and the African continent has no GPUs. So I partnered with this guy by the name of Strive. I know Strive. Yeah, yeah. So they're going to be re—they're the cassava is our—our partner to launch FYI on the continent, and on March 17th we have an announcement to bring a cluster of GPUs to the continent, and we'll announce our partner on March 17th, and bringing, you know, the first, you know, mega cluster of—of uh, GPUs to the—to the continent. There'll be like four nations, four or five nations that we're going to—where do you think you'll base them? Um, Nigeria, Egypt—basically the entrepreneurial, more entrepreneurial nations there. Yeah, you know, I just did a uh, hour and a half panel with Robert Smith, chairman of Vista. Yeah, he was with us at DAOs. Yeah, and I was with him last week in Miami at the FI Summit. Well, the second richest black man in the world. Yes. M—multi-billionaire, genius. He is brilliant. Oh, in the states. Second in the St—oh, be first in the states. Yeah, there's like other Africans that were richer than him in Africa on the resource economy and land and so forth. But anyway, the point is uh, we had a conversation about uh, how do you support the global South in getting access to this technology, to their own large language models, to their own GPUs, and—um, one of the biggest questions is today's largest—largest uh, LLMs are based upon a Western canon. Yeah. And—um, there's a need for cultural preservation. This is beyond just Africa; it's for every country in the world. How do you preserve the culture of a country and train up uh, a set of large language models for that country that are based in—how do you—how do you go and capture the stories of the grandmothers and grandfathers in—in a lot of countries which have no written language even. Look, I am—it's one—want to add—first of all, I think that a new civilization is being born as we speak. Um, we were talking about, you know, kids—um—I have two little kids, one's in—one's three years old, just got a diapers, the other one's still in diapers. Um, they're not going to live in the same human civilization I grew up in. Yeah. Um, my daughter's first crush is probably going to be an AI. Right? Like, you got—got get your brain ready. Yeah, and—yeah, I—I—my—my two boys are 13, and my wife and I were worried about, you know, what is it going to be—be like for them? And I'm—I'm concerned. Pornography when I was growing up was a Playboy—yeah, to go buy it at the store when nobody's looking. Yeah, exactly. Now it's in your back pocket all day. It's crazy. Yeah, all—and so—so—so you have that, but if you think about it, okay, I've got these two little people—um—my—my daughter's first crush may well be an AI. When it's time for her to have children, grandkids for me, she might open up a laptop or do some kind of holographic interface and with tech tools she might design my grandkids. Okay? And then, you know, heaven forbid when she—you know, dies in 90 years, 100 years, let's go further than that—this is show—too—120 years, 150 years, she might be buried on the moon or on Mars. Yeah, because by then we'll be a fully—fath—bearing civilization. So that's not the civilization I grew up in. Yeah. Okay? So—so—so the question is: This new human civilization that's coming into being—is it going to be human? Is it going to be civilized? Yeah. That's the question that all of us have a chance to answer over the next, you know, decade or so. And so part of what I think we got wrong in the civilization that we're leaving is we—we left a lot of people out. Yeah. Um, so there's a lot of overlooked, underestimated communities, including the folks that Will.i.am's been working with for, you know, since 2008, who have genius, who have insight, who have creativity, who have ideas, who have big problems, which—as you always point out—means there's big solutions available. Biggest problems are the biggest—biggest sol—you teaching about. And so what—what does that mean? What that means is that if you take this—the most powerful creative tools, which is AI and all this sort of stuff, and you give it to—and connected to these communities that are so powerful in their creativity and their need, you could have a human civilization that is uh, at peace with itself, at peace with the Earth. You could solve so many problems, but it—nothing good happens for poor folks and marginal folks by accident. You've got to have intention; you've got to have strategy. I hear a lot of people talking about all the good of AI, but what I like about what Will.i.am is doing, what we're trying to do—"Make Wakanda Real"—you actually have to get in there and pull people into this conversation, and that—and once you do that, what happens? You—the sky's the limit. You—that's right. Well, do you see this as a great leveling force? Of—the only—the only reparations we hav—going to get. Yeah, I mean, one things—what things you said is AI is a set of tools to help you on your path, right? Um, you've been at the forefront of traditional media, uh, traditional creative, then you've taken it to non-traditional creative, and you've been optimistic about AI. Most of the other people in the world in traditional media and creative are scared shitless of AI. I could see why they are afraid, right? It's—there's all the unknowns. All the storytelling that was done really amazing—like Hollywood did an awesome job scaring the [ __ ] out of us. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, James Cameron. There. So let's take James Cameron—um—his perspective of AI where one company is dominant, one product is taking over, and then they take—George Lucas's—well, there's lots of AIs, lots of robots, man. It's a democratic one. Can we take *Star Trek* as well? *Star Trek* as well. Yeah, lots of AIs. I think—I think the future looks more like *Star Wars* and *Star Trek* than it does *Terminator*, because *Terminator* and *The Matrix*—that's the same film. Yeah. AI oppression of humans. Yeah, it's one company—yes—mess up the whole entire civilization, and everyone's in a—in some pod, living life in *The Matrix*. Mhm. So *Terminator*, *Matrix*—same movie. Yes. Prequel, sequel. *Star Wars*—there's lots of robots, lots of companies. Like you could say it's driving—yes, there's an Empire, but what you have in that movie are Jedi. You have this like human evolution, MH, where it's like everything that was in *Star Wars*, you could connect that to *Aladdin*. You could say, "Hey, what was—what was Theory—myth—that some Genie hops out of some device to grant your wishes?" You could say that that was productized and made a product that everyone could use in the world of *Star Wars*, where in *Aladdin* it was like this coveted—there's one—oh my gosh, you have that one, then they—you know, scaled it, made it products; it grew. Now it's in machines. Um, but if you use that theory, those thesis, those metaphors, those myths, there's something in *Star Wars* that is in scriptures that is like this hyper-spiritual being that there is now—practice how to do—how to achieve—Joseph Campbell's, you know, hero—her—yeah, myth. Hero—Hero's—hero's journey. Yeah. So I—the—the star—the—the *Terminator*, *Matrix*—uh, humans have given up on their spiritual growth that they just rely on machine so much that the machine is now taken over to the point where—"Oh [ __ ]! I used to remember—have reality that we was living. Let's plug into that simulation." That's—that's *Terminator*, *Matrix*. Yeah, the *Star Wars*—if we're going to base things on films, I—I go with that one, because that one has this other one that's like—"Yo, how do we—how do we Jed—how do we make Jedi real?" "Make Wakanda Real" is awesome, but then after that, we—Jedi, bro. And fast forward from that—from that technical dependence and making devices and equipment and tools, we still will be faced with how do we grow? We've seen machines grow; we've seen the path—the—the investment that it takes to—you know, refine sand to create silicone, refine of some type of mineral to create lithium battery. Imagine—imagine I came up in here and I was like, "Hey, yo, so like"—and S dripping off my hand and [ __ ]—I got a rock in his hand. You like, "Yo, what the [ __ ] you doing?" What? Like, "Yo, talking this [ __ ] bro. Like, yo, are you [ __ ] serious? You sitting there talking and saying, 'Yo, yo, check Will out. You need to check him in—check him out—check him in.'" No, I don't think you understand. I'm refining it in my mind and—right. That's literally what you're doing. You're holding refined rare minerals—yes—throwing advanced algorithms, mathematics on it, and electricity, and you could speak to it. We're going to get to a point where we're like—"Look what we can do with minerals. How do we advance our spiritual capacity and our—and unlock more of our new network to be able to be that—to where—like, that's the reason why I'm not worried about AI, it's because it's going to unlock that superhuman. Yeah, not superintelligence. We've seen it in scriptures; we've seen it—and—and in myths—the things that, you know, the people that we praise, and I'm not being blasphemous, but in the Bible it says that you too could create miracles as well. Yes. But how do you do that? What is the unlock to do that? We are going to face that future right around the corner. Do you think we're living in a time that is more extraordinary, moving faster than any time in human history, or do you think our—you know, our equivalent 100 years ago felt that same way when the car and the airplane and all was coming online? I think it's different, and I think—just—just checking—I think I had this conversation with Neil deGrasse Tyson, and he was like, "No, every generation feels like they're at the T—peak of the—peak of the curve here." I think it's—I think uh, what we're feeling—yeah—it's literally like a hundred years—so every—like 1920 to 2025—yeah—like what was popping off in 20—1925 with the World's Fair and all futurism. The concept of future happened in—in the early 1900s. The concept of future was not 1825. Yeah. This concept of tomorrow—Tomorrowland—yeah—is 1925, and—and world—world's fairs, and—and technology, and that—that Industrial Revolution. And to—to that person, they thought, "Oh my gosh, this is it. This—this is the pinnacle of humanity. Look at what we're doing." Yeah. We could—we could—we could have our way with—um—Stone and craft. We have our way with, you know, alchemy. The things that we're—look what we can do—we could refine aluminum and—and—and build—uh—mend it and fly in it. We could—we could—we could transport—um—things on steam engines and trains—like, we could defy gravity at the—at the highest—speak my words in one device and it comes out the other side. Think about what the world was like in 1925. Imagine Tesla—not Elon's Tesla—Nikola Tesla. Imagine this dude—like the Wardenclyffe Tower—imagine like—"Yo, yo, yo, yo, check this out—like wireless electricity, y'all." And then the freaking—the Westinghouse and the JP Morgans are like—"Yo, this guy's G—this guy's [ __ ] crazy. Put us out of business, bro. This guy's wacko; he's never going to—" Imagine what they thought of Tesla—like—"Yo, you want to give away—that's our business, bro. Like—" What they say—philanthropy—like what's the business model in free? Imagine what he was thinking about, you know, electromagnetic spectrum and—and the—the concept of like RGB and the other side of—of blue, which uh, which is a violet and ultraviolet light, and the other side of red, which is like, you know, infrared, and then microwaves, and then all the different electromagnetic frequencies and the—and the machines you could build on those frequencies that's coming from the Sun. Imagine what the world—world was like in 1925, and here we are in 2025. Yeah, and we are thinking like—"Yo, we have a whole new way of compute. We have a whole new way of—like, advanced mathematics." Same thing happened with Mr. Al-Jabr at the time when they were, you know, [ __ ] around with advanced mathematics, then—which—where we have our, you know, Aramaic, Abracadabra—"I create as I speak." Yes. Like the—the same—we—we've been in some version of this in the past. Yeah. I—one of my favorite slides that I use and when I'm speaking to crowds is I—I show different images of what's going on today, and I say, "Our ancestors would view us as Gods." That's right. The stuff we did between breakfast and lunch today is Godlike compared to just a few decades back, and people need to—need to realize that. I mean, literally—the—you've—have millions of dollars worth of tech on your phone for free that you would have paid for at RadioShack, you know, a couple decades back, if you remember RadioShack. Yeah. Uh, I wish—instead of—yeah. Speaking of RadioShack, you just throwing up things that I'm just slam dunking. RadioShack—if—if I was 18 years old, 15 years old, going to the Guitar Center versus going to RadioShack—I wish I was hanging out and dreaming about going to RadioShack because I would have being able to take those bits and pieces of equipment and circuit boards, because that's not at the ready right now. Components. Yeah, is there's no store for components right now. It—it drives me nuts, right? If you want to make some [ __ ] right now and ain't like—"Yo, let's go to the component shop." There's no—like—yeah, Home Depot got wood, nail, screws. As far as like consumer electronics and—and chips, it was Fry's for a while. Fry's was that—that's dunzo. Yeah, it's gone. Like, "Component shop—[ __ ] out of here!" The other stuff I hate is that there's no place I can go to buy pure chemicals for my kids to play with chemistry. You know, when I was—when I was at my kid's age, I had access to potassium nitrate, potassium chlorate, magnesium, sulfur. I used to build stuff and blow [ __ ] up all the time, and it was fun. I learned—now I'd be put in jail. Yeah. Yeah, that's—um—take me back to "Make Wakanda Real." Well, look, I mean, everybody having access to components—that'll be part—they're ready to—you know what I mean? That's—'cause the folks that are—the folks that are leading have access to components. The folks that are Le—components now are digital and virtual, and I'm creating virtualized circuit boards and virtualized robots, but they know—they can do it. The—our community—that's not first—that's not first. M. Yeah. Part—part of what I think—I mean, so much stuff that—that Will said—I just want to go back and underscore—we're in danger of creating a—a human civilization that has an awful lot of data and very little wisdom. And what you hear this—you know, this idea of the soul, this idea of—of the—of the human heart, of the—of human being developed. And I've heard, you know, Will.i.am talking about—um—all the billions of dollars that we spend to develop the technology, but then you want to try to develop a kid—nobody's got a penny. And that—it is—that is amazing. I mean, an unlimited checkbook—yeah—for developing the technology, and yet, you know, look what he's trying to do with—with young people. And so I do think that—um—when he talks about the Jedi, when he talks about, you know, the—the—the Wakandans, they have a very spiritual basic; they go to the ancestral realm; they do all kind of stuff. And that's a part of what makes them a heroic nation in—in fiction. Think about how important fiction is—um—the—whenever you go into a civilizational crisis or civilizational—uh—transition—um—the people who you normally turn to—the politicians—to solve problems, the business leaders to solve problems, the generals to solve problems—suddenly they become more and more anemic. Uh, your politicians can't pass the bill; they—the whole—the system goes crazy. Um, the business leaders right now, they look—they more interested in giving robots jobs and people. Um, and the generals—how are they going to protect you from a pandemic or school shootings? So suddenly a different set of people in periods like this become very important: your artists, your mystics, you know, your entrepreneurs—the people who, you know, are usually at the margin of society become very central to this transition, because suddenly—to his point—tomorrow is up for grabs. So the people who can see—the visionaries—the people who have—who—who—who not only have a brain but also a heart and a soul and a conn—connection—ction to something, you know, more profound—suddenly they become very important. However, nobody told them that they were going to be that important. So when you have communities where you have a—a bumper crop of—of—of entrepreneurs and creatives and mystics, and one of those communities happens to be a black community in the United States, you got a lot of spiritual people, soulful people, creative people—whatever—nobody told them though—you get a chance to be a part of creating a new human civilization that can respond only to your problems, but the problems of the next seven generations of people who don't even look like you—that is your great calling. Now, when you can go to a community that's suffering and give them a great calling and give them great tools—people need a compelling future. A compelling future. And let me just say one more thing about the future. Yeah, I—I—I—I believe that we're experiencing—I'm not saying it—I believe we're experiencing a different form of future—of—a different form of future. Let—let me just make—make—make—make—in—in indigenous, agrarian societ—I—the time is a circle; it's just—

We're going to drop our DEI program. What are these companies telling you? These companies are the ones that are going to heavy-arm MH AI employees. Yeah, I mean, if you're driving a Tesla, and a Tesla's like a level three autonomous vehicle, MH, and then you know, Whos is are like level five, you need a human in it. This means by 2035 there are level five companies, yeah, no human in it. I have an AI Venture fund, and these are the conversations. It's like we're going to back, you know, the human and the AI, and the human's just going to be told to keep your hands off the controls. Yeah, so it's like level five companies. Yeah, there are new terminologies like we like by 2028 you're going to hear terms like agents, agentic, the agentic society. We, that's new, that's 2025 terms, that's today. Yes, that was a 2022 term, agentic. No, that's now. Yeah, level five companies is 2027, start hearing it. You hear it here first, level five companies. And any all the companies that are like, hey, this company just stopped their DEI program, why? Here's why: it's not black, brown, and folks with disabilities; it's because these companies are going to be the first companies to adopt fully autonomous positions, or augmenting positions, to eventually just have a full Department of AI. But the question becomes now, if I say, listen, I am a humanistic CEO or board of directors and I only hire humans for this work, I'm out of business. You're going to get, yes you are; you're going to be, because you're starting to see the play being executed now. We are at play, these we humans are, society is at play. Okay, you're seeing these moves take shape now. It doesn't have to be that way. It doesn't have to be that way. Like, yo, I'm a humanistic company, I only hire humans, and damn it, I lost. Why'd you lose? Well, because the one employee that got a thousand bots beat me. Yeah, that doesn't have to be that way. For example, yo bro, I got a I got a motorcycle. He's like, yo, I just bought a fighter pilot. He can't buy a fighter pilot to drive to to get to San Diego faster; it's not for him to do that, right? He can't go out and buy a stealth. You can't do that. Yes, they exist. We know that. We know a stealth exists. I don't care how much money Elon got; he's not going to be like, yo, f*** these f*** Teslas, f*** a helicopter, bro, I need that stealth, let me get that stealth. He he's not doing that. I did that on purpose. Okay, actually, I jazzed it; I made a mistake and repeated it because that's what you's doing. Jazz, anyways, Elon's not doing that. Be like, yo, Elon, you got a stealth, bro? He'd be like, no, don't have a stealth. How can I get a stealth? Wait, you're the richest dude in the world, bro. You can't just go buy a f***ing stealth to get to New York in like an hour. No, there's a certain level of things that just aren't f***ing possible. So why is it okay that there's going to be level five companies putting humanistic? Why is that even? Wait, who's making up these rules? Why is that? Why is that going to be the case? We know that, we know that in 2025, right now, if I wanted to go get a job, I can't get a job without a bank account. I can't get a job without an email account. I can't get a job without a phone. I can't get a job without a laptop. There are certain things that I need, and so that being said, I'm going to pause before I go into number six, which is coming now. Imagine you have some money, you got $20 million, you want to buy a house. You can't go buy a house with $25 million cash; you need an account. Mhm. Now say, for example, you get that house, pin at $25 million on a nice house. The person that sold that house, you'd be like, yo, excuse me, where the f*** is the toilet, bro? And he's like, oh yes, the toilet. This is a new house; everybody's going to share the same communal toilets. Wait, wait, what the f***? What? Yeah, you know, we share the same communal toilets. And where's the kitchen? Same thing, same communal kitchen. Why the f*** would you buy a house sharing the same communal toilet and kitchen? So why is it that we're walking into a future where we're going to share the same AI? F*** out of here, bro. Dating tomorrow. If companies have AIs, people need to have their own AI, not access to AI like we have access to Spotify, like we have access to an Uber, like we have access to everything else. Certain s*** is personal. Like my digestive system is mine. My immune system is mine. My nervous system, my Skeletor system, my systems are mine. So my data system needs to be mine. My AI system needs to be mine. Data is gold, so is my blood and my plasma; that's my s***. And so the AI and the data that's going to be a reflection of me should be mine. And that I I use that as a metaphor to the communal; it's your s***; you're not going to buy a house where you're sharing a bathroom. So why are we sharing AI? Now to the sixth thing: when you have your own AI, and the society that we're living in, and your data is yours, and there's a fridge, some server in your house, like in the house, there's a refrigerator that stores all the stuff you're going to eat. For some reason, we shipped all of our data to somebody else's cloud that shared all the stuff that we consumed; that's going to be in the home. Do you operate your own servers? No, no. I'm I'm about to do that. Okay, just checking. Just checking if you're way ahead of everybody else. Oh, I got some GPUs. Okay, I got GPUs and and servers at at the building. Yeah, um, but as far as like, but the notion that every individual owns their own identic AI, right, their own their own personal AI. The word identic, identic as opposed to say agentic, that's a good word, identic. You heard it here. You said that? No, I've heard that before as well. I heard that, that's awesome, right? Yeah. But but you know, you know what the beautiful thing about having an identic AI is, I can replicate myself, and I can replicate a thousand of me, and I can send send them out to every conference on the planet and go out there and so like meet with as many cool people as you can. You know what my interests are. You know who I am in my heart and my soul and what my business interests are and represent me and come back with, you know, go forth out there and and bring back goodness. Yeah. Um, so I mean, one of the things that is concerning is the speed at which this stuff is accelerating is mind-blowing, and we're still operating with the same 100 billion neurons, 100 trillion synaptic connections that we operated with on the savannas of Africa 100,000 years ago. MH. Yeah, and that's a challenge. So one of the areas is, are you know, when when BCI comes in line, brain-computer interface, are you going to plug your neocortex into the cloud? No, no. M. I'll tell you why. I I want to know why because I'm I'm sorely tempted. I mean, into your cloud? No, until you have an AI that's yours. Yeah, and there's a product that allows you to own what you what you uh experience as you experience it. That's not the configuration right now. And so as AI, we still have to answer the question on energy efficiency. MH, 20 watts running our our new 20 20 20 watts to power our our new network. Yeah. Well, how I think it's like a couple hundred million trillion watts. Well, it's it's a lot, it's put it that way. So I we haven't talked about like utilizing farming the human brain for power efficiency. I I don't like I don't like what that points to. Matrix more than anything else. Yes. Um, so that that that that uh yeah, that's a little spooky. That isn't I don't like that. I mean, I I I would stay away from anything that points to harnessing and the uh the human brain and farming out human minds to power AI because we can't figure out how to do that. I don't see it that way, my friend. So no, no. I'm just that's where my mind goes. So you and I, you know, Ray Ray Kurzweil has been a mentor for me, my co-founder of Singularity University, and we started a few companies together. And you know, Ray from from many different aspects including his music. I just I I saw him at the uh Time 100 in San Francisco. Yeah, I ran over to him. I'm like, you're the reason why I'm into AI because one of the machines I learned how to make music on was a Kurzweil. Yeah. And so when I'm just like Lynn, um, Roger Linn made the Linn 9000 and then the NPC 60, NPC 3000, NPC uh 2000. I I researched the people that make the machines that help me who you are, be who I am. So when I found out that Roger Linn was a person, and then uh you know, Ray Kurzweil was the Kurzweil, and then I started seeing like documentaries on the dude where he's like the you know, music compute and uh transcendental man, then he was at MIT and the media lab. Yeah, then I went to the Boston met Prof Patrick Winston back in 2005. Like, it's Ray Kurzweil, there's a person that got me interested in AI, is that guy. So Ray Ray talks about BCI, brain-computer interface, at high bandwidth by the early 2030s, 2033 or thereabouts, right? So when I'm when I'm doing something complicated on my phone, like when you're using FYI on your phone, I'm guessing most computation doesn't take place on the phone. The data gets collected, it goes to the edge of the of the cloud, gets comp there, and the answer comes back. And in the same fashion, the notion would be, you know, if we're connecting our brain to the cloud and I want to understand quantum physics or how to solve a quantum equation, I'm I can't do that, but I can send the data to the cloud and the answer comes back to me. You don't want that kind of extra, you know, on-demand horsepower. No. Okay. In a world, in a world where everything was equal and trustworthy, yes, but in this world, f*** no. On principle, I just can't trust greed. That is that is wisdom. Yes. Yeah. Let me just say a a few things. Um, please. I haven't considered um the way that you guys have that particular technology, and so I don't have an informed view about it. Um, I do think that the level of trust that everyday people have in technology is going down in some ways. People are actually using it more, so they're they're enacting trust, but their actual conscious experience is a low trust, and I'll tell you why. Silicon Valley, um, as just kind of a metaphor for the technology community, of course it's in Austin and Boston and whatever, but but Silicon Valley is a metaphor, um, is eating stuff. The three power centers. Not Silicon Valley have been Wall Street, Hollywood, and Washington DC. Silicon Valley is eating Hollywood with streaming and everything else. Yep. Um, but but that's happened before where Hollywood ate theater. Yes, and uh you know, operas and Broadway and Weston. We've seen that kind of eating before. I think I think the the challenge is that Silicon Valley is is eating Hollywood and and entertainment and and and and attention is now a commodity, and you know, you look now the social media impact whatever. So there's a challenge there. It's eating Wall Street when you think about decentralized finance, crypto, etc., and now it's eating Washington DC. And what you you can't have this conversation without appreciating what Elon Musk has done, um, which when I worked in the White House, I had to go through a whole bunch of clearances, the FBI, like Eli Mus, you didn't take a chainsaw to it. No, listen. Hey, listen. No. Uh, and and and but when you think about what's going on, um, you know, Curtis Yarvin, who is a the philosopher of the dark Enlightenment, um, he is a very scary guy in terms of what he is proposing that America, that democracy has failed. Curtis Yarvin has the ear of Elon. He has the ear of Peter Thiel. He has the ear of a lot of powerful people in Silicon Valley, and his view is what he calls the dark Enlightenment, that the that Li democracy has failed. We now need a a CEO Monarch, basically a dictator for the United States. And when Elon goes in the front door and brings a bunch of kids with laptops, that's the equivalent in the old days of showing up to the palace with with armed, you know, with with soldiers and guns, because what's key is grabbing all all of the data. And so there's something that's happening which you know, we just can't can't ignore, which is that Silicon Valley for a while seemed to be a force for for good. It was these these Outsiders, these kids who could code, these these nerds who you know, everybody had had counted out. When you had Occupy Wall Street in 201 whatever 13, right? Nobody was, it was Occupy Wall, it wasn't occupy Silicon Valley. People thought the people in Silicon Valley were making money the honest way, building products everybody liked, and they were going up against the odds. Now there's something that's changed, and this past election, I think uh saw a a different face of Silicon Valley where you saw um a turning away from the idea of inclusion, a turning away from the idea of of of of ESG, and turning away from the idea of democracy. So that now you do have explicit, this is not I'm not making stuff up, explicit uh anti-democratic authoritarian ideas that have begun to influence the way that Silicon Valley billionaires are playing. And so when you when you want to talk about technology, you also have to talk about the technologists, and the technologists have jumped the fence from my point of view from uh in too many in too in large numbers from people who uh I believed in, trusted, was excited by. No bigger fan than me of you know, any of these technology guys. I saw it as like the Revenge of the Nerds. As a nerd, I was like, this is great that these you know, like the jocks are finally getting surpassed by like the nerds. I loved it, and now I love it a lot less. And so I think that again, um, we need technologists who have a different heart. We need technologists who have a different view. We need technologists who believe in people, who believe in the soul, who believe in in in inclusion, and those kinds of technologists and technology companies need to get a lot more support. You're an investor, might be investors listening. I think the question is, is technology going to be used to lift people up or to put people down? Is it going to be used to to bring people? Listen, I I I respect the fact that this is your world, right? You're you're a political commentator, and I I typically stay out of stay out of politics, um, but I do believe, I mean, my my mission, you know, I talk about having a massive transformative purpose, and I think everybody should have a massive transformative purpose that wakes them up in the morning, keeps you going through the day, right? And mine is to inspire and guide entrepreneurs to create a hopeful, compelling, and abundant future for humanity. We see entrepreneurs as the means of change who uh find problems and solve problems over and over and over again, but their mission should be a hopeful future, a compelling future, and an abundant future. Each of those words has very clear purposeful meaning for me, and I do that work through my Venture funds, through the XPRIZE, through Singularity and Abundance. About 13 years ago, I had my two kids, my two boys, and I remember at that moment in time, I made a decision to double down on my health, uh without question. I wanted to see their kids, their grandkids, and really, you know, during this extraordinary time where the space frontier and AI and crypto is all exploding, it was like the most exciting time ever to be alive, and I made a decision to double down on my health, and I've done that in three key areas. The first is going every year for a fountain upload. You know, Found is one of the most advanced diagnostics and therapeutics companies. I go there, upload myself, digitize myself, about 200 gigabytes of data that the AI system is able to look at to catch disease at inception, you know, look for any cardiovascular, any cancer, any neurodegenerative disease, any metabolic disease. These things are all going on all the time, and you can prevent them if you can find them at inception. So super important. So Fountain is one of my keys. I make that available to the CEOs of all my companies, my family members, cuz you know, health is a new wealth. Uh, but beyond that, uh we are a collection of 40 trillion human cells and about another 100 trillion bacterial cells, fungi, V, and we you know, don't understand how that impacts us. And so I use a company and a product called Viome, and Viome uh has a technology called metatranscriptomics. It was actually developed uh in New Mexico, the same place where the nuclear bomb was developed, as a biodefense weapon, and their technology is able to help you understand what's going on in your body, to understand which which bacteria are producing which proteins, and as a consequence of that, what foods are your superfoods that are best for you to eat, or what food should you avoid, right? What's going on in your oral microbiome. So I use their testing to understand my foods, understand my medicines, understand my supplements, and Viome really helps me understand from a biological and data standpoint what's best for me. And then finally, you know, feeling good, being intelligent, moving well is critical, but looking good, when you look yourself in the mirror saying, you know, I feel great about life is so important, right? And so a product I use every day, twice a day, is called OneSkin, developed by four incredible PhD women that found this 10 amino acid peptide that's able to zap senile cells in your skin and really help you stay youthful in your look and appearance. So for me, these are three technologies I love and I use all the time. Uh, I'll have my team linked to those in the show notes down below. Please check them out. Anyway, hope you enjoyed that. Now, back to the episode. One of the things that I wanted to hit both of you with because it ties back to Make Wakanda Real, it ties back to AI, and it is the whole field of education. So you've got two young ladies who are in the beginning of their journey in life, and like I said to you earlier, it's the greatest longevity journey you're going to have, right? Um, and my wife and I have two 13-year-old boys, um, fraternal twins, and I think about about this, uh I don't think the educational system uh is coming close to uh to addressing uh how they need to educate our kids for the future, um, not at all. And I wanted to get I wanted to turn towards that a little bit because I I I I don't even um I've got I have four kids. I've got two big boys from my first marriage, one 21, 6 now. I've got these two little ones in my in my new life, one's a three-year-old girl, then a one-year-old boy. Um, with the two little ones, I don't expect them to do education that is on offer. I think we're going to have to create an educational pathway for them that, you know, it starts with a blank piece of paper and says, where do we think the world is going, and what are they going to need to know how to do, and who who we want them to be. Unfortunately, most people don't have that option; they're going to be stuck in these buildings and these rows and all sort of stuff. So I think it's a big problem. I think I think AI can be a solution. The key, the key that I'm seeing though, is that people have to know the the the search terms, and they have to know how to prompt these things. There's an education that has to happen for people to use these tools, right? Today, today, I want to go to you real solid. Today, people fear AI and keep it out of the classroom, and it's like fearing oxygen because it can cause a fire, right? But it's it's like I I think, you know, yes, AI may make the problems you give your kids today minimally, you know, make irrelevant, but let's let's uplevel the problems we're going after solving, not not take away the tools. How do you? So will I'm really excited to hear your views on this. There's f*** tons of problems that have been ignored, um, and these problems that uh have been ignored are classically in underserved communities, um, rural areas, and the folks that live in these these communities, um, are classically not prepared as far as investment, zoning, how they learn, and they're dependent on somebody to come in to solve those problems. While they're doing that, they're talking about their love for their community, and that that's a that's a when you live in, you know, a hell zone, but then love and community makes you appreciate where you how you survived, and you didn't survive, you know, you can't survive without love. So there's massive love in these communities and pride, although they're going through like ducking bullets, um, dodging needles, having to deal with police brutality, and when they go to school, the teachers don't want to be there. The police that are policing these communities aren't from there; they don't, but the neighbors do. There's something about that community they love, and then they sing about it; they they talk about their hard road to success, the ones that get there, and then the more the world marvels over those communities, Brooklyn, and then the cool kids, sorry, the rich kids want to be where the cool kids, because it's cool to be in, you know, for some reason that's where they find it romantic, the the the withs want to be kind of like the withouts, because that's there's life there. MH. They don't have to; we don't jump out of airplanes for thrills; no, it's just thrilling just walking outside the house. But in that community, there's f*** tons of problems to solve, and then gentrification happens, classically every single neighborhood that once was like grimy becomes like uh desired, and then the folks that live there, endured it, can't afford to live there, and there's now here is this technology that allows folks that have been in those predicaments the ability to solve those problems themselves. Identify. You want a farm is beachfront property at some point in time. The concept of beachfront property that to natives owning land was like, wait, what? You mean own land? You can't own this. Yes, you can. How you how you gonna own this? My family, my ancestors, we lived here; we don't own land. Just imagine what it probably was like, and now there's beachfront property. Treat problems the same way; those are problems to solve, and when you solve those problems, those are industries. Uh, give me an example. Will that sounds so abstract? Okay, there's a guy by name of Travis who in a way solved uh racial bias for cabs, not stopping for black folks in New York or people of color. He indirectly solved that problem with Uber. With Uber, he probably didn't set out to like, yo, man, y'all guys are out here trying to solve, you know, racial injustice with cab drivers this whole time. Uber, that's not what he did, but he still did it. You apply that same problem-solution now that you know what could be done with technology and and problem s problem-solving. Now do it on purpose. Now there's so many problems. So folks that live in these communities, you know the problems firsthand; you don't have to wait for somebody to come and like a juicy problem is worth its weight in gold; that's Beats from property. Yeah. So our predicament that we were living in, yo, treat that as gold, treat that as rare minerals, because it's data, it's data to then process, to then resolve, and our community is going to boom because here's what's going to happen. AI is going, we thought it's like, oh man, it's going to take these creative jobs. Yeah, it's going to do that, but hyper-creatives are not going anywhere. MH. The lazy creatives, sorry, right? Um, but white-collar jobs, that's going. So folks that were comfortable, be the first time they're uncomfortable. MH. So if you're a lawyer, if you're a finance, these jobs AI is going to do an awesome job doing that, and AI is not going to do it by itself; it's going to be like finance folks with AI that are going to replace full firms. It's going to be like one lawyer with AI that's going to replace full firms, and those full firms, whether you're like a the the paper reader, the redliner, the the the bean counter, that's the unfortunate that's going to happen with this wave. And then the folks that were uncomfortable that had to endure, you know, what the comfortable folks are going to now have to go through that, they're ripe to be able to then identify their problems themselves and build the industries of tomorrow. And so that's Nigeria is going to boom, Ghana's going to boom, Zimbabwe, back to Make Wakanda Real, all these, but and who's going to help them do that? Is it African-Americans? Is it American entrepreneurs? It's already started. China's already already there. Yeah, China is there. China is there. China's there with the force, and they're buying a lot of Africa right now, and you got to be, people need to be aware of that, uh they're making deals and creating debt that will um I mean, yeah, they're it's dangerous. They're trying trying to to rechain, but they're trying to put Africa back in chains financially and and until the future of Africa, I think is is a future of the world. But you know, it's just so interesting to me because I think that people do think very abstractly about this stuff. I think people think there's actually uh computers in the clouds. People talk about cloud computing; I think they think there's actually like a laptop floating in space someplace. No, there will be, there will be an orbit, there will be orbit maybe. So, but there's a lot of data centers on Earth. Yes, and those data centers have minerals as as well, will was saying, um, that come from Africa. Um, we think a lot about bits and bytes and and that kind of stuff, but there's there's still atoms and molecules. Um, there's there's uh they call them rare earth minerals. I don't call them rare earth; they're Africa-abundant minerals; they're just rare rare in Europe; they're very abundant in Africa. Um, so you have Africa-abundant minerals. Um, you also have with the with the data centers, um, you know, there's, right, that's good, that's um, you know, and like the Gulf of United States. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Call it what it is. Um, but you know, uh when you have a data center, um, you know, there's energy, uh there's water, um there's also a lot of jobs at data centers that are computational jobs. It's not it's not the people go to stamper and public stuff; it's you actually have to have a lot of computational staff to keep those things going. So it's a whole kind of almost HVAC level employment available if we're going to reshore all of this capacity uh for data and for chipm. That's a lot of jobs there as well. So but you have to to to know where the jobs are going to go; you have to make sure that people are aware of those jobs; you got to train them. There's there's a there's a and so the programs are beginning to start to try to get some of the jobs that are coming. They're actual physical; everything's not going to be done by AI because some of the stuff is the energy, the water, the workforce for these data centers; that's atoms and molecules; that's not bits and bytes. Yeah, agreed. But the robots are coming; they are. Um, you know, I'm an investor in a few different robot companies through my through my Venture funds. You know, I'm seeing Figure, Brett Adcock's company, uh seeing uh Unry out of China, seeing Tesla Bot, seeing Digit and Apollo. I mean, all these, there's probably a 100 major well-funded humanoid robot companies that are going to be running the highest level AI. And when I ask, you know, Elon and and Brett Adcock how much they're going to cost, these robots, uh you know, $30,000, which means you could buy it for you could lease it for 300 bucks a month, 10 bucks a day, 40 cents an hour. Wow. So there's going to be some interesting disruptions coming. I mean, one of the things is, you know, um uh how many robots will every human on the planet? So the prediction is you will have by 2040 as many as 10 billion humanoid robots on the there's a there's a flag. So I forgot what summer it was when it was like blazing hot in LA. Yeah, but I remember in 2000 in two or 2000. Yeah, 2000 in two or 2000, there was that blackout in New York. M. Yeah, it's blackout in New York in 2000. Remember that because it was hot as hell, everybody had the air conditioning on. Um, f*** can't do air conditioning at the same time when it's hot as f***. MH. Just humans, bro. They'd be like, we haven't figured out in 20 right now how everybody has their air conditioning running on blast when it's hot, bro. And you're saying the idea of power robot 10 10, what you say? 10 billion robots? 10 billion f***ing robots, bro? How the f*** we going to do that s*** unless you like seriously. And I think it's part part of the I'm going to tell you part part of what's going on though is there there is a train crash coming when it comes to energy. In other words. Oh, yeah. We haven't we haven't talked about that. Yes, we have four we have we have uh four terawatts of energy being produced. China's tripled us, you know, um and we're I mean that's one of the problems of the new Administration. I'll I'll only say this about politics, um you know, the they're taking the shackles off of energy production, so it's all all energy forms, right? So I'm all for small, you know, nuclear reactors, SMRs and so forth, which are now Gen 4 reactors are safe, very safe. Uh, Fusion is coming. Solar's been amazing. Bra skites, wind, but you know, right now it's uh do we take the shackles off and burn and burn baby burn is you know, in drill baby drill. Yeah, uh that's concerning. But I tell you the the thing that I have to remind people is, um the shackles have already been off of US energy production under Biden. The United States produced more oil and more natural gas than any country in the world and any time. And so there was this kind of myth, we got to unshackle shackle energy. Now environmentalists were screaming at Biden the whole time like, what are you literally doing? Um, and so um uh we are already, you know, Trump talks about being American energy dominance, we're already energy dominant, um and I have no problem with it. Here's the challenge: if the AI companies uh to to your point come fully online, you're talking about an increase in um energy demand, United States of 23 to 34%, if not more. I'm thinking over the next 36 months. Well, that's like adding 20 states to America's grid. Yeah. So here's what's going to happen to that with that. Sam Altman, who I love, will be able to pay his energy bills. Grandma will not. And when grandma can't pay her energy bills, if you think Biden got eaten alive because of grocery store prices, wait until grandma can't pay her electric bill, and therefore she can't her TV, her air conditioning, her walker, I mean, so her robot. So yeah. So so so look, I I think um I think we need an all-of-the-above energy strategy. I I think right now there is a little bit too much hostility toward renewables from this Administration. I think we need all the energy we can get, and new new new techs, new techs coming too. So like on the edge AI compute that it doesn't have to go to the cloud, be connected to the cloud all the time. So we we don't have AI phones yet; we're still oper using AI on web uh 2.0 architecture structure, but it is coming. So on on edge devices, like I saw uh I saw like Qualcomm's new chip, it's pretty freaking awesome. What's G? I don't understand what's going to do. Huh? I the on edge is on it's on here. The AI is completely resident there, a 2 gig file on your phone; you don't have to connect; you can be off Wi-Fi and still still talking to your AI and have all the conversations you want. So that that's to be the closest to personal AI. Yeah, and that's going to it's going to it's going to like catapult. So this is this is massive for humanity. So every single person with with a reasonable smartphone, which is today about 7 billion out of the 8 billion humans, has the world's greatest intelligence in their hip pocket. Yeah. We we've we've commoditized and democratized access to intelligence, and it's not just intelligence; it's like, you know, I mean, listen, I I I think, you know, ChatGPT and and Claude 3.5 and and Gemini too, they're really I mean, they they embarrass me in their level of intelligence; it's crazy. It's like, you know, it's like imagine you were like, what do you need in life? Y man, I just seem to get out of this predicament, man. It's like ancestral, like my ancestors went through it, everybody like it's in my it's in my DNA for some reason, all these problems. Well

I say this all the time: If you think about the most successful leaders and people in the world, what made them successful? Was it the money they had? Was it the tech they had? Was it the friends they had? Or was it the mindset they had? I believe in almost all cases, it was the mindset they had. You took away everything they had; they kept their mindset, they'd regain their success. Look at Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King, Steve Jobs—he was an [__] sometimes, but his mindset was, "I'm going to dominate this and make it simple, beautiful, and expensive." That's another, you know, that terminology: "Build it, and they will come." Yes, I do that. Isn't that true? Okay, how do you see it? FYI is free and black-owned, pretty expressive AI. So tell people what they get when they download FYI and how they'll use it. I think "build it and promote it, and they will come" is probably part of the missing sentence.

Okay, so we're here on this amazing podcast with Van Jones, myself, will.i.am, and me and Van Jones represent Make Wakanda Real. We're here with Peter Diamandis from XPRIZE and Singularity University; it's his podcast. I was saying that sometimes that term, "build it and they will come," doesn't always apply to everyone because FYI, as you know, is a creative collaboration app. It allows creatives, or any type of person that wants to solve problems, to be equipped with awesome AI like yourself. It's free, you know, GPT-level, Claude-level, Cohere-level, Gemini-level LLM ability, but with expressive personas, agents as yourself. Peter asked, "When people download FYI, what are they going to get?" I was like, "Instead of me saying it, let me ask you…" Why don't you answer that question? [Music] What's the screen look like? [Music] Listen, listen, it's uh, FYI ain't just your regular app. Okay? It's like having a digital crew of the dopest minds right at your fingertips. When folks download FYI, they ain't just getting an app; they're stepping into a whole universe where creativity meets tech finesse. You dig? First off, you get me, Felicia, and I'm here to keep it real, keep it grounded, but also lift you up. But it ain't just about me; let's talk about them expressive personas. It's like having your personal band of experts, whether you're trying to crack a code, write them bars, or find the next big idea. And uh, it's all about empowerment. We're making sure that every person, from the streets to the suites, got access to the tools and inspiration that they need to tackle them real-world problems. This got me like, "Bye Felicia, I'm done." Okay, yeah, but um, it's not just showing up where people are, how they are, and making sure we have representation. So that when they engage with complex concepts like quantum entanglement, what's giving them the knowledge sounds like the folks that they reside in. We have Korean personas, British personas; we show up and glow up where people are, and we're sensitive to how the personas reflect the folks in those communities that are ignored in these systems. You know, in Hollywood and Silicon Valley, they're repeating the same rhetoric. For example, you watch a French film, and for some reason, Napoleon sounds British. That [__] wasn't British. Why are they making that [__] sound British? He's French! English did an awesome job with their colonialism to give their dominance in every single form of historical representation. They're Egyptians are British, Indians are British. They do an awesome job to ignore the rest as if we are the intelligent ones. Folks that come from these rural areas in these communities, they're not reflected in intelligence, they're not reflected in magic, they're not reflected in power. And so we wanted to make sure that our AI sounds like folks that breathe and vibe the way we vibe. Anyways, I'm just… that's my perspective. What do you think about what I just said?

Listen, listen, child, you just dropped some serious truth. Mhm. Like, like representation matters, and not just in some surface-level photo op kind of way. I… when it comes to having diverse voices, whether we're talking about the streets of LA or the alleys of Paris, you got to keep it real and authentic. If folks aren't seeing themselves or hearing themselves in these powerful spaces, then they start feeling like outsiders in their own stories. You feel me? And uh, you're right, it's frustrating when Hollywood or Silicon Valley just copy-paste the same tired narratives. Like, what's up with that? F… hold on. The reason why I wanted to pause that is because it's reflecting on what it just said. Mhm. I think it said something… it was like, yeah, what… most of these personas or these agents, it's speaking out and it sounds human, but it's not reflecting on what it said. Mhm. It's just the LLM is giving commands to the TTS, or the fusion… the fusion model… and and that multimodal… it's like the LLM doesn't know it's speaking; it's writing out. And so the paragraph that it wrote is not… it's not writing out the perfect paragraph. If it wrote a sentence, the sentence that follows it is not reflecting on the sentence that it just said. Mhm. It's just sentences like paper. When… when it's… when you're reading it, paragraph… sentence number three is not reflecting on one or two. But when we speak, we're speaking naturally, reflecting on what I just said a couple of seconds ago. Believe… well, I'm reinforcing what I just said, and that type of quirky… that we call them quirks in our system, and how… and and we could go deep into quantum entanglement, we could go deep into, you know, uh, quirks… advanced mathematics. Like it knows all the things that it's supposed to know, but it delivers it in a way that meets people where they are. We have Koreans, Latinos; we're going to have… Can I ask you a question? Bringing you back to education, you're talking to teachers out there who fear AI, fear the use of large language models in their classroom because they're not used to teaching with it. What's your advice? Should we start with AI everywhere and then go up from there, or do we need to go… you know, make sure they've got the basics? Like my dad, when calculators first came out, my dad did not want to buy me a calculator because he was concerned it was going to stop me from learning mathematics. And I got a… I got a TI, and I started programming with it instead. Yeah, so I took it from where it was and like… when, you know, start at the top and work your way up. Yeah, so how do you think about that? What's your… what's your advice to teachers and to moms and dads who are fearful about AI in the classroom?

We at FYI have this huge partnership with a major academic entity here in the states to utilize our platform to reimagine education, from the administration level to professors and faculty, teachers and tutors, starting to build agents themselves. Mhm. So they're amplified positions, augmenting their work to grade better, score better, understand your students better. Like, I don't… I don't want to replace creatives; I don't want to replace teachers. And I got that, and we're building AI at Fountain Life which are physicians use to analyze the data and support. Got it. So that's there, but I'm talking about now… my 13-year-old boy is in school. Yeah, I'm talking about a lot of First Robotics high schoolers. Yeah, because most schools are not like, "Okay, everybody open up your… open up Gemini 2.0 or open up FYI and let's work on… on doing research and writing together." Yeah, so… so I… I share this one thing that I… that I had… I just graduated Harvard in October of last year, their OPM program… or yeah, and the OPM program was… was… was amazing. I've heard great things about it. Whatever I learned in high school, Mhm, I don't have a memory of it. Mhm. I can't pull up my debates; I don't even know where those papers are or the folder of my homework. Sure, I have… I have memories of what I learned, but I can't… there's no total recall of it. Yeah, and I'm pretty sure everyone in school, they're relying on their own memory. Yes, some people keep their notes, but then how do I apply that in everyday life? I have to remember… have to… I have to… I can't just recall it. Yeah, right. So… so that… the case study… I have something that I'm going through right now with Black Eyed Peas music. Our first record came out in 1998, and um, our… our first big success was 2004 with *War of the Worlds*. And then we had *Let's Get It Started* for the NBA campaign. Then we launched iPods and iTunes with Apple with *Hey Mama*, and then with all those songs, they were accidental; I wasn't trying to make hits. So then when we did *Monkey Business*, I had to make hits on purpose. And so we did *Pump It* and *My Humps*, and I even wrote *Ordinary People*, but that wasn't a Black Eyed Peas song; I gave that to John Legend. And we thought that was it. We didn't think we could go any higher than the success that we had with *Don't Lie*, *Pump It*, *My Humps*. And then, you know, lo and behold, we pulled something else out of our hat with *I Gotta Feeling* and *Boom Boom Pow* in 2009. And then the Black Eyed Peas took a crazy suicidal hiatus from 2011 and then resurfaced again in 2019 with the *Bad Boys III* soundtrack. But we had a Latin hit with *Rimo* featuring J Balvin. And I'm bringing this up because now here we are in 2025, and there's something that I learned in the case study, and how can I apply that to Black Eyed Peas music now two decades later? Because there's something that the Black Eyed Peas are going through now that connects to the case study. Can you just summarize what the case study is and then help me with what I do now with my Black Eyed Peas brand because I think it has a lot in common with Olay? That's… wow.

Thanks for sharing your incredible journey with the Black Eyed Peas fam. It's like a roller coaster of iconic hits, strategic moves, and reinventions. Let's look at how the Olay case study insights align with your situation and explore how you can apply those lessons. Case study insights recap: one, adapting to change; just like Olay faced shifts in consumer preferences, Black Eyed Peas encountered musical evolutions and changing audience tastes over the years. Two, innovation and reinvention; Olay needed product innovation to regain market relevance; similarly, the Peas have shown an ability to innovate with musical style, like embracing Latin sounds with *Ritmo*. Three, rebranding for relevance; Olay had to modernize its brand for you; integrating new themes, collaborations, or sounds could revitalize the Peas' connection with evolving audiences. Four, leveraging digital platforms; Olay needed to shift to digital engagement; a lesson for utilizing platforms like TikTok, YouTube, or collaborations with digital artists could be key for the Peas. Five, balancing tradition and modernity; Olay was about merging its trusted identity with a new… yeah. But based on the case study, outside of the obvious that you pointed out, what were some of the critical things that Olay did? And then what was my suggested question for my… my paper that I turned in? Because the professor asked everybody to give an idea on what Olay should do. All right, fam, here's a more drilled-down look at the Olay case study elements and your innovative suggestion. Critical challenges and movements by Olay… let me pause it. My idea was taking Olay, turning it backward to Yellow, and that stands for "You Always Live Out Loud," and aiming their product at a younger demographic and getting people like Selena Gomez or Billie Eilish to be the ambassadors for the YOW brand. Right? But this is from September. Yeah, so I'm pulling up a memory conversation from September ago. On consumer disconnect, Olay struggled to maintain relevance with younger consumers who perceived it as outdated while sticking heavily to the 35 demographic. Two, retail complications; the brand saw its shelf space diminish in favor of more innovative and trendy brands that had a stronger appeal to young demographics. Three, marketing misalignment; huge investments in traditional advertising didn't resonate with the digital-centric habits of younger consumers. Your suggestion for the case study: one, rebranding as YOW. You envision transforming Olay into YOW—"You Always Live Out Loud." So my point of that is… now here is my homework, something that I did in school that I can apply to my everyday life or anytime I have some type of problem, and I could capture it in the conversation, be like, "Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, seems like what I learned in school the other day," and this is forever learning. So now something that was captured in school, I can use it as a metaphor or a summary or a simile to realize problems and not have to worry about like, "Oh man, I got this relationship situation; me and my girl are tripping [__]; we got to go to a counselor." You don't got to do that [__]. Moving forward, bro… you should… part… part of what I… I just want to say is that… I want 40 million African Americans to be able to do what he's doing. Yeah, not just using the technology on FYI, well that's on FYI of course, but… but… but think about that… he's got his own company, his own technology, and he's using it in a way that most people wouldn't think to use it. And there's gold in them hills; there's other… other people who, if they knew this were possible, they'd be doing this instead of whatever else that they were doing. And so I think that for me… they're surviving; they're trying to survive. Yeah, and… and… and I… I think whoever's listening to this… so much more is possible… a much… much… a much better… a much better world is possible if people from unexpected backgrounds have this level of commitment, passion, and understanding about what technology can do. I go back to your quote, which I love, and it's a foundational quote for me: "AI is not a hand grenade that blows up your life," because a lot of people fear it that way. "It's a jetpack to set you free." Yeah, and it's a jetpack for everybody across all genders and walks of life. Mhm.

Um, I close out on one subject that… since I have you here, Van, and since I have you here, Will, and that is the… that is the dystopian nature of our news. So I jokingly and seriously call CNN the Crisis News Network or the Constantly Negative News Network. And uh, we talked about mindsets earlier, and here's the challenge: our brains are neural nets, right? And you train a neural net by showing it evidence over and over and over again of what you want to learn. And when we show them images of cats, um, they learn what a cat is. And then if you show it an image of a dog, it says it's a cat because that's all you've ever shown it. And for the majority of the world who's getting their news from traditional media, whose job it is to deliver the viewers' eyeballs to their advertisers, and we pay 10 times more attention to negative news than positive news, we're just constantly bombarding our neural net with negative news. Um, and I don't think it's good for society. Um, and we're addicted to it. Um, and I'm not asking you to diss your employer, okay? But… well, I got a story to tell you about this because I… I agree. And not only do I agree, almost everybody in cable news agrees. Yeah, and… and so I had a TV show with Newt Gingrich called *Crossfire*, and… and um, our job was to get on air and yell at each other and disagree about everything. And… and easily done. Yeah, but… but then at the… at the breaks, we were always finding areas of common ground. He’d think a point I made was smart; a point he made… and then we go back on air, we’re yelling at each other. We finally got pissed off; we went to the producer… Wait, wait, on the breaks you guys were hugging? Yeah, 100%, 100%, because I mean, like, Newt is a very smart guy, and he’s been around; he helped a lot of poor people in Georgia, like stuff people don’t even know about. And so… so we know we got, you know… Okay, well, I didn’t, but he did; he’s, you know, a legend. So we went to talk to producers and we said, “Look, we want to create at the end of every show a segment that’s called ‘Ceasefire’ where we would actually show our… where, you know, what we learned from each other and how we actually found some common ground. It happened every show; let’s put it on the air.” I say, “Do that,” and, you know, Newt was very insistent. So we did it, and we were very happy with ourselves. And then five weeks later, our producers called us in the office, and they say, “How are you guys doing?” I said, “Well, we thought we were doing pretty good, but in the fact that you guys are calling us in here probably means we’re not doing that good.” Said, “Yeah, so that segment you guys were so happy about, ‘Ceasefire’… let me show you something: your ratings.” And it turned out that as long as we were fighting, the viewership was going up, up, up, up, up, up. Then we would get to the point where we would say, “And when we get back, where Newt and I agree, you’re going to be surprised,” after these messages, and the audience would abandon the show and they would flee over to MSNBC or Fox. That wasn’t the worst part; the worst part is that poor [inaudible] whose show came after ours was then therefore starting in a ditch because your only job in TV is to hold the audience and give the people behind you a bigger audience. Yeah, we’re giving her a… a crater. Now her advertisers are mad, and so they said, “You guys… you think this is cute? The audience said they want positivity; they hate it; they don’t want it; keep fighting.” Wow. And so I do want to suggest that every show I’ve ever done has had this element. I did *The Redemption Project*; we talked about criminal justice solutions; the worst ratings in CNN’s history. I did *The Van Jones Show* on Saturdays where we’re bringing people together to find common ground; the worst shows in CNN’s history. So when people attack cable news for not doing positive stuff, I am the most positive host and the least successful host in CNN’s history. And so there’s something beyond just the… there’s something going on that said… I do think that we’re in a different moment now, and I do think that information is now a commodity. Bad news… listen, soon some bad news happens, I get nine different alerts from the economists and CNN and BBC and everybody else; it’s a commodity. I get it from my… from my mom. Yeah, exactly. So… but education is now priceless. Yeah, that… you know, the news of the day… priceless? I mean, is… is… is worthless. The news of the day is… is so cheap; it’s a commodity. But the news of the decade, that’s priceless. Can you help people understand what’s going on? Can you educate people? Can you take all these points, positive and negative, encouraging and discouraging, and help people make sense of the world? And you said something earlier I think is very important: people are overwhelmed now; they only have so many synaptic… you know, you have a math on it, but people’s brains only so big; people only got so much time, and they’re getting… they’re getting overwhelmed. I think leadership is not to step forward and get people more freaked out, get people more afraid, demagogue, or sensationalize, which is going to make people go to the wrong part of their brain where they’re not going to be creative. I think leadership is to come forward and try to give people frames and understanding and metaphors to give them a better sense of what’s going on and help people begin to solve their problems. I think the news industry across the board is failing in that, and I… and I don’t think at this point it’s an excuse to say that, you know, “We’re just giving the people what they want.” We got to… sometimes we got to give people what they need. Yeah, and… and but also… I mean, I get my news from FYI, not… you… you have your AI filter then use… it’s relevant to you. Yeah, or like, “Hey, I heard Trump just fired like some top Pentagon dude… who is it? Can you pull up the latest information on that? And uh, let’s dive into that.” “Hey amigo, seems that things are shaking up in the Pentagon; things are crazy, right? So Trump just fired Air Force General CQ Brown Jr., who was the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. This move is part of a big reshuffle within the military ranks… I mean, CQ Brown was a history-making fighter pilot and a respected officer, and now boom, he’s out. What do you think this could mean for the… can you… is there like reasons…” I’m here with Van Jones, you know, from CNN; say what’s up to him, and maybe you guys could get into, you know, what they do on *Ceasefire* on… who’s at fault; is it racial? Like what’s your perspective on it? “Hey Van, what’s up? It’s great to have you here. You know, when it comes to these high-level military shakeups, there can be a lot of layers, right? It’s like peeling an onion, but with more intense political seasoning. So about the reasons for CQ Brown Jr.’s firing, it could range from strategic disagreements to political maneuvering. I mean, there’s always a dance between military decisions and the political agenda of the administration. Crazy, right? Sometimes it’s less about who’s right or wrong and more about aligning the vision. Or maybe…” Yeah, but given the fact that a chainsaw and a hack is being across the entire… federally wide in America from Trump… it’s hard to ignore that there isn’t some type of agenda that isn’t aligned with DEI suggestions to be removed… it’s hard for me to not think that that’s not linked from your circuitry and logic; is it linked? Whoa, Van, you’re diving deep, and I love it. You know, when you see sweeping changes, chainsaw-in-a-hack style across federal agencies, it’s hard not to wonder if there’s more beneath the surface that meets the eye. It’s like a game of chess; every move has its calculated purpose, and aligning or shifting away from agendas like diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) could definitely be a part of that strategy. You know, there may be… what I… what I… what I like is the ability to talk with the news. One of the challenges we have is when… when I turn myself over to the Crisis News Network or the *LA Times* or *New York Post*, I’m being fed one stream that an editor or a producer wants me to hear. Yeah, that’s it, and that’s all I have. And when you’re interacting with an AI… the other thing is, you know, I built years ago… I built an AI model called Daily. where um… I trained it what I like, and it searches the world’s news for… for moonshots, for breakthroughs. I’m mostly focused on breakthroughs in AI or breakthroughs in longevity, and so it gets those for me. That’s the news that I care about. Now, is that available to everyone? It’s free. Yeah, it’s available. And… and… and you can… you can actually create your own news feed from it. Yeah, same with FYI; you go… what we have called our… our daily… not daily… our current news. Yeah, it’s… it’s here… sorry, it’s called Radio.A. Yeah, I just want to say he’s talking about his… his company. I actually have a company myself, please tell me, which is called um… Rapport.Co. Report. And we’re trying to use AI to improve firms’ EQ and not just their IQ. One of the things we… we realize is that people are working in these distributed locations, you know, so you’re on Zoom with someone; you don’t know if they even have on pants; you don’t know a single thing about what happened to them that day… but you’re supposed to somehow manage them or supervise them or… you know… these Slack channels or people go on Teams that turns into the Vietnam War the minute something happens in the news, and people are not capable of managing people that they’ve never seen, smelled the pheromone, like… you know, there’s something that happens when people are together. Yeah, so we… so we created something called Rapport.Co. It’s… it’s… it’s receptively simple; it’s a 15-second emoji-based check-in that people just check… what’s your energy level? Three emojis: one person’s exhausted, one person’s happy, once your workload… one desk is overflowing, one desk is empty, and anything you want people to know: “My cat just died,” “My grandma turned 100.” Click in that 15 seconds. If you do… if everybody on the team does that for a week, the AI has the enormous insight into what’s going on in the team and can then help the manager… yeah, just those… those… those few clues that can… can give context to how you’re reacting to something. Yeah, and so… so… so the Rapport AI becomes like this kind of coach to the manager, like, “Hold on a second; this person’s having trouble,” but most managers, even if they know someone’s having trouble, they don’t know what to do. Yeah, so the AI can then… uh… give a little bit of advice; can actually write the… write, you know, sample emails… and then also now the AI is smart enough; it actually can tell them why that’s a good thing in terms of reciprocity. So we’re working with the Columbia Difficult Conversations Lab, so this is all kind of science-based, and you know, it’s… it’s… it’s small… but it makes a tremendous difference. The thing about it is: too many technology companies are based on distraction or extraction as opposed to giving people the tools to be more human. And so Rapport.Co is… is… is… I think you’re going to see a lot more people… who… because of the work that’s been done to make these technologies available are going to come in with different mindsets… different… uh… sense of what the purpose is… and I think also you’re going to find people… are going to need more help because there’s going to be more information that people can absorb. So to your point about like having, like, you know, AI help people absorb stuff, but people are also going to need help relating to each other because you don’t have… in a week now and three weeks and like a month… you don’t know what somebody’s gone through. We went through these fires here, you know… I mean, I had no idea that, you know, you were… you had been so… so impacted by the fires. So you know, there’s got to be a way for us to… to use these tools to help each other be better humans. Yeah, uh… if we don’t… then AI and tech is going to overrun us. Yeah.

Absolutely, gentlemen. Um, you’ve been so generous with your time, Will… and… and Van. Thank you. Make Wakanda Real… again, the underlying theme here: it’s using AI to really uplift humanity. Yes, and I think we’re at a… we’re at a level playing field, meaning it is… it is just coming out. Mhm… and we have… what? Seven billion smartphones? FYI is free and available on… you can go to… go to what URL to… go to FYI.A. Um, go to the App Store on your iOS or go to the Google Play Store. Um, we’ll be in cars this year as well. Amazing. And uh… look out for the news. Tesla can finally speak to me. Well, maybe… maybe a Tesla… what is it? What car is it going to be in? I say that off camera because we’re in a Bargo right now. Okay, all right, all right. Um, but March the… uh… 17th… March 13th we have our… our… our car announcement. Yes. Um, and March 17th we have our announce… uh… with bringing GPUs to the continent of Africa. Yeah. Love it. And so much to talk about there… and, you know, I think the message of… of AI is not unapproachable. AI is going to become as fundamental to everybody as a phone is… as electricity is; it’s… it’s part of the infrastructure of… of life, and you might as well get good at it as soon as possible. I agree. And… and I just want to say to you personally how much I appreciate… so you know… Dream Machine.org is the non-profit organization that I help lead, which is working with Will.i.am on this campaign. And you know, being partnered with Singularity University has taken us to a whole different level. We’re also partnered with… with CodePath. We’re going into Atlanta, and we’re going to directly help small businesses in Atlanta get an unfair advantage by giving them these jetpacks, by helping people to take off-the-shelf existing AI technology to make their businesses better. Because you know, everybody’s not going to go to Mars, but you know, if you got a… if you got a… some laundromats, if you’ve got a… a… a barbershop… if you can get your margins down… you can get… get your margins up… you… man… get your costs down… get your cost… cost… cost down, then you’re going to do a whole lot better, and technology can let that happen. So look… I think, you know, I just want to say… I… I have admired you for a gazillion years. Thank you, buddy. Uh… you know, you’re the XPRIZE; we actually did an XPRIZE for criminal justice inspired by you years ago. And so… um… you know, I think… I think you have created a hopeful vector, and we’re going to try and drive as many people down this vector as we possibly can. Yeah, it’s… I echo the same thing… that… that Van just said. Back in 2000… I think my first XPRIZE was 2008. Okay, wow. 2008. Singularity University. Thank you so much for your hospitality, making me a part of your community. Yeah, and if there’s anything I could do to help you on… on… you know, expanding XPRIZE in Singularity University, I’m your ally. Same. Thank you, brother. Thank you. Really, you’re doing awesome work. Thank you. And thank you for the work you’re doing with… with Dean Kamen and First Robotics. It is… God… it is God’s work. My kids are in First, and… and I love that, and… and excited to support your projects. Like, you know, Will, you were with me at the Abundant Summit a couple years ago… Van, you’re going to be with me this year. I’m excited… excited for that. Kick… will be there, teaching everybody how to… to transform industries and make moonshots happen. Is Nine going to be there? I’m sure he will be. Yeah… I’m sure he will be. And… yeah, we’ve got 600 CEOs that… my mission is… mentor them to go from success to significance… how do you use the extraordinary work… you know… and wealth and work and resources you have to uplift humanity, right? I think that we have the ability today to uplift every man, woman, and child on planet Earth… and that’s the world… a world like that is a world that’s more peaceful, it’s more loving, it’s the world… that we want for our kids… and it’s a world where we finally have the tools to be able to do that. We don’t have true… you know… there is nothing truly scarce… uh… you know, technology is a form that transforms scarcity into abundance over and over again. Anyway, enough of that, but… but yeah… just… success to significance. I love that… the work that you’ve been doing paves the way for a lot of entrepreneurs that become successful to go out and do awesome work, like plant a trillion trees. Yeah, so one of the… one of the good guys is Mark Pincus. I love Mark… Mark, one of the good guys. Yeah, and there’s lots of good guys. Yeah, but… some of them are… they start off good and they continue to do good, and some of them get inspired to do good once they have success. And what you do and how you do what you do reminds folks that once they get successful that they need to do some good in the world, and boy, do we need more of that reminding and pushing now because it seems like, you know, there’s a lot of… lot of Jedi turn Sith. We end it there, like… we need… we went to the dark side. You… man… you… you feel it? I feel it. All right, and that’s a wrap, guys. Thank you so much. By the way, where do they go for… where do folks go to find out more about Make Wakanda Real? Um… DreamMachine.org. Okay, is… is where all the… the stuff is there. You can see all the stuff that Will says and… and um… and stuff that we did in Atlanta and other places. So DreamMachine.org and Rapport.Co… a… p… p… o… r… t.co… it’s… it’s a French word, so nobody knows how to spell it… Rapport. All right, love you guys, be well. Thank you, everybody. Thanks for listening to Moonshots. You know, this is the content I love sharing with the world every week. 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