Aaron Burke and DJ Madsen Return...To Discuss Safe Sex and Peptides

Just nothing that'll get me flagged on YouTube. Um, but we're live.

[laughter] So, so we got our new um long-term co-host now DJ replacing Colton since Colton just guest stars every once in a blue moon. [laughter] >> And Aaron back on. Aaron's going to be on two weeks in a row, too, because he's got to talk Warhammer with uh Garrett when Garrett gets back from Disney World. I know Garrett.

>> Rep Garrett properly, though. Hold on. >> There you go. There we go. [laughter] Garrett will pop in here. He uh before you guys came in, actually he hopped in. He was at the bar and [ __ ] was messaging me real quick, but um he got captured by the Disney adults he was making fun of last week and now he's at Disney.

>> So >> he'll be back next week. >> Have you guys been to Disney? >> Not as an adult. >> Yeah, I I did twice in high school, but I've been there about 10 years. >> I won't get on rides. I'm mortified of them. It's funny. Get rid of this. Let me pull the chat. Where's my chat?

>> Get this volume up a little bit. How we doing soundwise and everything? Are we all thumbs up, green lights? >> Yeah, sounds pretty good to me. I'm making the post really quick on my story with a link, which is always the hardest part because I have to log in my other YouTube account.

>> I got a Twitter or I guess it's an X now. I'm showing my age. Um, that platform apparently you could do anything on there. I don't know why we're not all doing things on there, but there's no music and it makes me sad.

>> Well, Elon bought it and yeah, it is like open season now, but the problem is it's not very um like advertiser friendly cuz it's just like anything friendly. It kind of sucks, but you can say whatever you want.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Paul was uh Paul was advertising on there for a while, too. You can ask him about running ads on there. He had some success with it, actually. Is there much of like a back and forward kind of vibe with community or people in the comments on there or is it just kind of like post forget about it, let it ride?

>> That's what I'm doing. >> It's It depends on what like I feel like fitness there's not a whole lot of back and forth. But uh like especially like politics or sports or anything like that like people just [ __ ] argue for days on that [ __ ]

>> I can't figure out how to make the threads go in order or what they're commenting on so I just give everything like a little heart. looking forward to post it right now.

>> Yeah. And there's if you get the premium um there's some other things you can do on there as a business like writing blogs and stuff on there and like adding extra links. I had an employee that I had temporarily that said he was really good at it. I bought it for him for one month so I got to see some of it and then he did nothing on it. So then I just got rid of it because I wasn't going to use it. Um but I used to be able to cross post across there too. If I post it on Instagram, it would link to there and then I post the same time and then that connection got killed and I was like, "Fuck, dude. I'm not spending all the time posting across there unless I hire somebody else to do it." So, I'm back to not being on there.

>> Someone got me an app to do all that, but I never learned how to use the app, so I have it. I just can't do anything with technology. [laughter]

>> Yeah, I'm I'm a little bit of a Neanderthal with that stuff myself. I'm kind of I'm quite reluctant with it as well. I'm I'm sure like it's one of those things, right, that if we put our minds to it within a couple of days, we would probably have everything figured out. The systems in place, all these different apps that allow you to post on multiple platforms all at the same time at Yeah, it there's ways to like really make it easy, right?

>> But I'm still there's like I don't know, maybe it's just my age thing, but just a little bit reluctant to just [snorts] be on social media all the time.

>> Yeah. I mean, there's social media. >> We're doing other things, too. >> Yeah, there's loads of other stuff going on. And to have such a big time investment into social media, I I just haven't made that jump yet. I know it would probably benefit big as well, like, you know, income-wise, but at the same time, I'm like, h, do I really need to do this? It's it's a funny one for me.

>> Yeah. Yeah, I mean you got to look it too like if your Instagram ever gets taken down or like with Chase experience when his YouTube got taken down, you know, what's your secondary income stream in case of that, too. Um, so it's good to crossost all your stuff across it. But a lot of people hire like there's a Philippines VAS like $3 an hour like they'll work and crossost all your stuff.

>> Oh, really? >> Yeah. My CRM has it built in. So I can crossost across Facebook, Tik Tok, which my Tik Tok just got banned two days ago. And then uh Instagram, Twitter it used to, but then uh they changed the API when they switched to X and all that. So they were working out how to get it back so you just post across all of them again at once.

>> Oh, fair enough. I'm actually going to stream this live on my Instagram live at the same time >> because I typically get quite a lot of questions on there.

>> Yeah, that works. [snorts] >> So, uh >> I can't I can't stream live on Instagram for two more years. So, >> same. >> Oh, [ __ ] Two years. Yeah, [laughter] they were you able to live stream? I I got that taken away so quick. I was like, I'm going to get active on Instagram. I posted for eight days and everything got flagged from like a year ago.

>> Yeah. >> Damn. Yeah. I haven't been flagged yet. I'm sure it's probably just a matter of time, but >> for me it's like uh I'm not frequently posting the kind of content that you guys are when it comes to talking about performance and natural drugs and things like that. Although it's all very it's all good and educational, I kind of just again the social media thing like really doubling down on that and making it like a frequent thing and choosing a kind of niche to to produce for. I'm I just haven't done it yet. I'm still kind of floating in between random just a whole bunch of random content and whenever I kind of feel like posting. So, I think it from a whatever the AI algorithms look for when they're trying to shut down accounts, I'm probably not ticking enough boxes for them to to want to flag me. I guess >> it has um >> if I posted 10 drug videos in a row, it might be different. Do you know what I mean?

>> They they've eased off on Instagram a lot. Actually, they they said they were they actually have because like beginning of the year I was still like fighting a lot with them and lately they haven't really flagged anything unless you talk about like the GLP ones and where to buy them directly. Like I posted a link to my peptide affiliate and that story got taken down and I can't make new ads for 90 days because of >> I got flagged for all my photos for my ads because I utilized syringes in my ads. So, all of those got flagged. Like I had like a fake bottle of like trend in my mouth and I like flagged it that it was like a joke. It's a prop. They gave it the thumbs up, restored everything, removed the algorithm, you know, silencing. Not 3 days later, it got flagged again and then they didn't approve the appeal, but like my snail penis video didn't get flagged. And I talk about weird stuff.

>> Well, you're running that as an ad. So if somebody reports it, they go harder on that because there's the advertiser friendly guidelines that are slightly >> syringes and I like really loved all my syringe pictures. Like those are my I don't take pictures a lot. So I loved those and they all got taken down.

>> Yeah, Colton got a permanent ban for making ads on his ad account because I think it was for the blood work lab. I remember seeing that. It was only out for a couple days, but he said something like like if you're like this person, you're [ __ ] [ __ ] [laughter] down and got his account straight up banned for doing it.

>> Where do you guys see this going? You might be a little bit more in the no than me when it comes to >> keeping on top of this stuff, but where do you see it going? It just seems to be do you think they're trying to fine-tune that whole process or do you think it's just got it's just getting more and more automated that it's just potluck if you get banned or not?

>> AI is scanning and Eli Liy runs the world. Well, there's a lot of AI, but also if you keep up with a lot of the marketing guys, they um they talk about that Andromeda update that happened in July where because so many people were just pumping out like a million AI creatives for their ads, they had to start cracking down on like ad quality because people were just pumping out these AI [ __ ] videos over and over again. Um, so they want to like reward people who are making more organic content for their ads and stuff. So there is a bit of a game there and then they're using the AI to try to flag things. But also before that, somebody tried to sue meta and complain that because you could target people by like demographics before uh that it was like racist or classist more than anything else because you could target people that were higher earning people if you had a premium product versus shown to people that are broke and can't afford it. Um they said it was like classist or whatever. So they had to remove a lot of the targeting. Now, it gets shown to everybody, but your messaging matters more because if you talk to that person, you're going to still attract that person, but it will show it to a bunch of [ __ ] that aren't going to buy your [ __ ] anyway. So, it's like you're kind of just playing the game of not getting sued, but also trying to let you do what you want at the same time. That was actually one of the questions I got today was um it was about content creators and the content in the ad is why why is peptide content getting banned everywhere and why are all my creators going away?

>> It's strictly like Tik Tok's really bad about like anything you mention about like Reddit etc. will flag it right away. Um if you just talk about peptides it's fine. If you direct link them it's not. uh the GLP1s that are approved your OMIC and um MAR stuff like that they don't like that because the patents are in place um so it's a matter of talking about them is okay but directly promoting it isn't put that way

>> I got so many of them >> seems to be pictures as well now right so it used to be just direct links or if you were tagging certain companies then it would get flagged and now it's even just posting a picture of anything. So, it's it's a bloody minefield. It's a nightmare.

>> Yeah, I find I can talk about registry that openly, but if I try to run it as an ad, it gets taken down. But if I said like special Rword or R3 or some people say like >> um I forgot there's something's close to it. Like a lot of times it won't pick it up.

>> That's why I think Garrett, he's making a peptide company. He's naming it something amos. So, it's not just like peptides flat out.

>> I'm even scared to use the word peptides now. I never know what I'm supposed to say or not supposed to cuz I had a GLP video taken down that just went over like Cmax and T-Max and that got flagged.

>> Really? That's weird. Appreciate that, Fresh. Uh yeah, anybody who missed the beginning, Garrett is a Disney adult right now. He said he might pop on and say some [ __ ] I don't know if it's going to be appropriate cuz he's hammered, but [laughter] we'll see >> cuz he popped in before everybody else got out to talk to me and it was he was he was wasted. [laughter]

>> Have you got any specific topics you want to jump into today? >> DJ said she had quite a few questions. I can do my one right away. It'd be a good one for you actually, Erin. Um, because you've done more rebounds and stuff lately quick. that I just got this comment here saying much better angle than the Jared podcast. Good lord. Like I I had no idea. Two days after that podcast podcast got launched, Jared's like, "Oh, we did pretty well. Got loads of good comments." And it was like the day after the Olympia week, I was hanging. I could barely talk. I was just And the angle of the camera was like [laughter] the whole way through the podcast. And I'm also like, "Yeah." So um yeah, it was a great week. And oh god, it was painful to watch.

>> So I did I didn't think anyone noticed until right that and now I now I know people watched it and >> oh well. >> So the one question I got would love a breakdown on post show reverse dieting tips and strategies.

>> Yeah. Um yeah the reverse is absolutely key. Right. So, um, I think one thing people do [ __ ] up on is right after the show, the night of the show is one thing that I think can really set the tone. Now, typically in that peak week, there's going to be a lot of food going in anyway, right? You're not most people after a show, you might have a bit of a craving for something specific, but you're usually not that hungry. like you're not super depleted where you can smash 10,000 calories and it will evaporate cuz you've just had a whole week of, you know, carbon up and peaking and everything like that. It's mostly just you're tired and you probably want something sweet. But a big one there as well is is that meal and water. So that setting up that reverse diet starts from meal one in my opinion. If you can get control of everything you possible from the moment you step off stage, which sounds super anal and super neurotic, but it will set the tone really well for the following weeks, but it usually starts with how you wake up that next morning, the day after a show, which most of the time is pretty good no matter what you do. But a big one for me is really keeping on top of those aldoststerone responses. So, not just absolutely hammering a shitload of water when it's been tapering down across the week maybe or it's a little lower than baseline. A very slow steady taper back up to kind of maintenance regular water intake, sodium intake, and food intake. There's there's your your first three things to get a hold of. It's so easy to slip carried away and you're like, you know, well, maybe just one day off. One day off can get personal experience. I can tell you one day off can turn real bad real fast. And if the more on top of that that that first day you can be, I think it really really sets the tone. If you can keep control and just I I don't push calories. I'm not like, "Okay, let's get back up to maintenance calories or a surplus as fast as possible." I'm not about that. I'm like one or two weeks of really really controlling all the variables as much as possible and that's including obviously training and everything. We're starting to look at if there was thyroid input, you know, doing the right tapers when it comes to that. If you've been running things like clen and stems and stuff like that, a slow careful taper, not just completely cut it and drop it. All of these things can cause massive like really quick feedback responses that can go really wrong. So, I think the the one of the key things about setting up that reverse diet, yeah, you hear a lot, okay, we get back to this. The training is going to feel amazing after a week. You're going to be right back into it. Your food's back up to maintenance or a surplus. Are you keeping gear in, taking gear out, whatever it is, the the strategy you may have heard about. First things first is tackle that first day or two and then turn that into a really good solid disciplined week. If you can do that, usually if you if you're locked in, dialed in with a very a little bit of flexibility, so it's not, you know, so you you know, you're not in prep anymore, but you're still very much in control of the variables. If you can get through that week in one piece, the reverse, in my opinion, is just super easy. You're just going to be at maintenance calories, gradually climbing up to maintenance calories, maybe a slight surplus. We're starting to introduce probably fats is a big one there as well. I like to make sure we're getting a lot of really healthy dietary fats back in the diet if they've been restricted for a long time depending on your diet kind of strategies. And then again, that training should complement that sort of reverse as well. So we're not going balls to the ball, max volume, max intensity after just like a week off. Periodize that training a little bit. Just start thinking a little bit more grand scheme of things. That reverse people will say will call that reverse a rebound. and they get this thing in their head like, "Oh, it's a rebound. We're going to grow all of this m we're going to just hammer foot to the pedal and magically accumulate all of this new muscle tissue within that first four weeks post show." Sure, you can pick up a little bit, but it's mostly just going to be glycogen and water. We all know that at this at this point, which is good and it's healthy, but look at that reverse, that sort of four weeks post show as priming yourself for a really good productive off season. And that essentially just comes down to making sure you're managing your fatigue properly, making sure your hormones are all in a good spot, make sure we're not having any massive fluctuations, aldoststerone responses, stuff like that. Easing back into the training and just building those healthy habits. And again, let's slowly creep back up to maintenance. I would do that over a week or two. I definitely wouldn't be let's get back into a surplus immediately. I just I like to kind of have a smooth curve of those transitions to be honest.

>> I don't know if any of that really made sense. I felt that.

>> No, it's a pretty I think reversing is like the one of the hardest parts of competing for a lot of people. I started implementing GLPs in a reverse and I feel like that's very controversial and I feel like to me it's like an ethical dilemma. I'm like, "Okay, I want to work on your relationship with food, especially for firsttime female competitors." And so, it's very important to me to reverse and prioritize that relationship and not rely on an appetite suppressant. But I also I know what's going to happen and it doesn't matter how much material I give them, how much we talk about it, daily check-ins, accountability, they're usually going to botch it the first time. And the GLPs prevent us from having to do a mini cut midoff season. It prevents the binge behaviors, but I feel really weird about that because I feel like that's stuff that we should focus on in terms of discipline.

>> Absolutely. >> So, I've been very torn on the implementation, but in terms of their overall health and glucose management, I have found the GLPS to be more beneficial in the long run. And then I'm just harping stuff like as their coach. Like I hate to do it, but it keeps them healthy and from benching.

>> No, absolutely. feel like a lot of people are taking them up through the show anyway. So, it's not like you're changing much. You're just putting them right back on it.

>> I think it's a a really good tool to bridge that gap that in that reverse. I have no issues with that. I'm not sure I would be in the camp of using it throughout an offseason just for the purpose of glucose management and things like that.

>> Oh, I haven't done that. >> There's potentially some theoretical back in there, but the more and more I hear very experienced guys talk about that, it's more like uh you kind of it's a little bit counterintuitive. I think but in that reverse stage where potentially binging and falling into really bad crave habits are a high risk then why why wouldn't you use a really good tool there and then again like the benefits on top of that from a blood glucose standpoint um and it's kind of a bit of a no-brainer for sure. Um, but again like you just said like the discipline is the foundation of that and my demographers. It's people within their first few shows and they haven't got a lot of experience in those sort of windows in time. So it's very much a communication thing. It's like every day back and forward every day. How's it going? What's going on? you know, and they'll just make sure you're constantly like looking over their shoulder just so they know, >> you know, >> and we know what happens. Getting the messages back.

>> Yeah, that's it. And then it's when video then I'm surprising with video calls like, "Yo, where you at? Let me see your plate." [laughter]

>> But that fortunately, I like to think that the trust is already built at that point. and I've explained what that reverse is going to look like and what I'm expecting on a communication point of view. So, um yeah, like it's it's usually pretty smooth sailing. They will message like, "Oh god, I walked past this bakery today and I'm I'd murder for one of these things." And I'm like, a lot of the time I'll say, "Sure, grab one." But grab one, >> you know, grab one and then we're doing this. And and so I I do allow a little bit of treat yourself, but making sure that is very very controlled because the grand scheme of things, if someone looks at a donut, one donut's not going to ruin their day. It's not going to ruin their reverse. But if I don't sort of really help them understand how that can get out of control, it's very easy to buy a box of 12 on sale, right? And then all of a sudden there the sugar cravings kick in. Aldoststerone responses from massive sodium flushes, you know, and it's just there's a lot of things and I try not to overwhelm them with information. So it sounds like, oh my god, this first two weeks after a show is going to be terrifying. I'm going to I might die.

>> [laughter] >> I want them to enjoy it, celebrate, have a good time, but at the same time be very, very mindful that if they want to get the most out of that reverse and the offseason to come, like if we if you lock in right now, it's going to be amazing and you're going to have a great time. And that is way more rewarding than any amount of cheesecake.

>> And trust me, I'm a cheesecake monster. >> There's one girl I know that she bought. She ordered a bunch of the Buckeye brownies, like all these custom donuts and all this other [ __ ] And I'm like, you're not going to even want that when you get off stage. I think she ate like two donuts. That was it. Had to throw the rest away.

>> I wanted a Twinkie. [laughter] >> That's a true >> about once a year. I want a Twinkie. >> So random. [laughter] I haven't even tried one yet. >> That's one thing that since I've been in in America, I haven't tried one yet. That's on my list.

>> It's just like eating eating foam with filling in it. >> Sugar foam inside of bread, right? >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Delicious foam. [gasps] What's funny, I there was a a story from my professor, my anatomy professor actually in college, like his professor like 20 years before he was teaching us like had a Twinkie and put it in his desk for like 10 years and just like pulled it back out like 10 years later just to show that it had like it didn't mold, nothing. It was still just the same as it was the day before, like 10 years ago.

>> The chemicals when you eat them, but I I just once a year I'm like I got to have it. Then when I want a Twinkie, I will go I'll get up like I'm going to the gas station and I'm gonna get that little double pack of Twinkies. [laughter] >> That's funny. My guilty pleasure.

>> No, no, I'm craving one. >> My uh credit card gives me the Door Dash pass and then once a month you get like $10 off a $15 order or whatever. So those new Halo tops with the mixins, they go for like seven bucks and you get two of those and then I actually pay less for them. So I get $10 off so it's only $5 to get it. So I'm like, "Oh, well, just bring one of those."

>> Door Dash Halo ice cream. >> I don't use it otherwise, so I might as well use it. >> I've never actually eaten Halo. >> Never even heard of it. >> Isn't it low calorie ice cream? >> Yeah. Yeah. It's like 300 calories, so I don't feel [ __ ] disgusting doing it. But I love ice cream.

>> Have you not got yourself a ninja creamy yet? >> No, >> that's what I was going to ask. >> I have one. These are better. Like these literally >> This is healthy ice cream. It's not really the the mixing ones are like 490 calories, but like the one I got this past week had half uh cookie dough ice cream, half like fudge, and then it had the chunks of like the fudge and the cookie dough mixed in together. It was really [ __ ] good.

>> Those are low calorie. >> It's 490, so it's the less than half of Ben & Darius. >> Is that for the whole thing? They come in the little Okay. >> Yeah, it's pine. Yeah, I keep it super boring with the creamy, but it hits good if I ever have an like right now. I mean, I'm on quite a lot of food. So, I don't really have that craving, but in prep every day, last meal of the day, couple scoops away, a little bit of almond milk, creamy, ready to go. And then if I had any carbs left over, I really like those. Uh over here, you get the Oreo thins, the mint chocolate ones.

>> Mhm. >> Oh, yeah. And like for one serving, it's like four four of them or something for a pretty like it hit my numbers. It was a little bit like come on Aaron, [laughter] this is prep. Is this really going to uh is this a good idea? But I was a little flexible. Let's put it that way. Um >> where's your food at now?

>> Uh I'm just kind of just coming into week two of my like offse kind of calories push. So, I had a very long health phase, a little bit of a bridge, just kind of rebuilding some putting myself in a good healthy position to able to grow again because I just did almost a year and a half prep, a really long prep. So, I was in no position to really um rebound or reverse. It was like, this is it, done. Time off. Genuine full-blown health mode, you know, just just time off. I had six weeks off of everything doing nothing hardly any training and and really relaxing. Still on top of my mood, controlling my weight and stuff like that. But yeah, it was uh it was quite a long period of time between the show and now. But now I feel great. I'm in a good spot. I'm growing well. I'm on I want to say 3,800 calories. like I'm just sort of just starting to introduce what would be considered higher food for me like 280. I don't need a lot to grow though. I'm I'm not a big big food guy, but I'm going to be working with uh a new coach soon to just kind of take over. I think at that point he's [snorts] big on like really resetting metabolisms and putting you getting you to a point where you can smash as many calories as possible and just not. So, >> the food's going to be going up for sure.

>> You going to do a coach reveal? >> Mhm. >> You going to do a coach reveal >> at some point? Yeah. [snorts and laughter] >> Still a final chat to uh to be had and things like that. But >> I know people love getting into that drama in the comments like, "Oh, you switch coaches." Like, it's the biggest [ __ ] thing in the world. But >> sometimes they're just a better personality.

>> I'm switching from me to someone. So, I'm just not coaching ever again all the time. >> They go to They go to my husband cuz I'm mean. That's [laughter] funny. >> I'm always like, "It's it's important that your personalities mesh." And they're like, "I don't mesh with you and you're condescending." And I'm like, "It's not like you've never seen me online."

>> Yeah. >> Drew is asking you any specific reason for the long health phase, Aaron.

>> Yeah, cuz I had a long ass prep. Simple as that. It was a really, really, really long prep and I did a lot of shows and I was just kind of beaten up and I just needed to give myself a good amount of time to just really recover. And to be fair, like 6 weeks postshow blood work was great. Nothing wrong with it. My test had tanked completely cuz I spent 6 weeks of I just did not want to hit myself with a single shot. I just I was like, "Keep me six feet away from all pins for at least six weeks, please." And I didn't I didn't care whatsoever about, you know, sustaining any kind of healthy testosterone levels. And, you know, you don't really feel it until like week four anyway. Like week four, I was like, I can feel it getting a little low, but I still want a couple more. >> Week five, I'm like kind of feel like a mere mortal. Week six, I'm like crying, having a bad time, but it dropped to like 40 nanogs per day. So, like real >> where I'm at. Yeah, [laughter] exactly.

>> Your balls almost turned back on. >> It It was It was low low. But then, you know, whether there's something to be said for reensitizing receptors, I know there's still ongoing arguments whether that's actually a thing or not. Um, but hey, a lot of those big boys did it back in the day. They take reasonable amounts of time off throughout the year. And every time you come back on, the way back up is very impactful and it feels amazing. And it was like just coming back in at my sort of cruise dosages of like three like I felt amazing really really quickly and I was like oh back to life and my body responded very very well to every bit of stimulus. So having a bit of a longer health phase and a little bit of a longer time off to just again just be in a healthiest position possible to grow paid off. It took a lot of patience, but then I had plenty of stuff to keep me busy.

>> That's good. Yeah. Back to the coach's personality thing. Garrett and I talk about it a lot um last couple weeks especially. Like that's a huge thing with clients, too. That's why we do the calls rather than just like throw, oh, here's my program. Go pay for it. Because it's one of the biggest things when it comes to accountability and how you're going to work well with the person. Because if you don't get along or you're a pain in the ass or you feel like I'm a pain in the ass, then there's animosity there and then things just never mesh and you don't get the best out of it. So that is a big thing when you're looking for a coach. Find somebody that you know you work well with that's going to give you a high level of service and then you know worry about all the little things after that.

>> Yeah, for sure. Communication's key. That's why I've sort of struggled to push for more clients right now because I like that open communication. I like my clients have all got my number and we'll back and forward as much as they want. I like to have that open line so they know that there's someone there who's got their back if they really need it. And um yeah, I I kind of like I like coaching that way. It probably cost me a lot of money cuz I can't if I was to do less of that, I would be able to scale more, I guess, and have more time because there's only so many hours in the day and you can't spend all day going back and forward with 150 clients. Um, not that everyone needs that kind of communication, but it's something to be very aware of. Like there's only, you know, you have to be very timeconsiderate.

>> Yeah. >> Calls. >> Yep. >> I feel like I come across a lot nicer. I because I'm so dry when I'm messaging or when I'm writing, I try and sound exciting and bubbly. So, I use a lot of exclamation points and then I just sound like I'm yelling at people all the time. So, I do a lot better on video calls versus writing.

>> Do you not use Loom at all? >> I use Loom. I do. So, I'll do Loom for like feedback and I can do little voice messages, but if I write, there's so many exclamation points. It's it's I have to go back and like remove them because I'm it's so ingrained.

>> You have to remember like the client's personalities as well, right? Because some people I can be deliberately dry in like to be funny and the right client will get it and they'll be like well like they'll get it. [laughter] >> But then a newer client and I'll do the same thing and like kind of forget that not kind of on that same level and they're like oh dude like uh I'm kind of disappointed at that response and you know I've kind of like I'm a bit disheartened by it and I'm like no no no no I didn't mean it like that. And uh so yeah, it's I I get what you mean when it comes to writing or texting.

>> Yeah, I find with my clients, I mean my clientele just cuz they're a lot of times more businessoriented guys, so they have limited time. They just want to get the information, get it done and over with that Loom works the best cuz it's basically like having a live call with them. It's like semilive and they can watch it whenever they want versus having to try to schedule around. Okay, I don't get out of this business till this and then I got some guys that only can do Sundays and Sunday's my day off. And it's one of those conundrums there. I'm getting feedback from >> a big smiling face in the corner. >> Oh yeah, I'm down in the left corner. >> That's better now. >> Make it big cuz it's super personal. >> No, cuz I want to be able to see what's on my screen. [laughter] >> Half the time I got to move that that little invisible bar where you can start and stop, but that's always in the way. I always moving it around and they can't see it. I'm like, I'm moving something out of the way. You can't see it. And just slide it around the screen.

>> I didn't know they couldn't see that. >> No, they can only see your bubble. So that little sidebar that has the stop, the start, and the pause, they don't they can't see that. So you can put it in the middle of the screen if you want.

>> Me and technology. Is my mouth moving stupid? >> No, you're a little fuzzy just because you're internet, but you're actually clearer when the internet's >> I thought there was a little Is there a little Could you guys hear a little bit of sound feedback? >> Yeah, I was getting it a second ago like hearing myself talk at the same time. It was probably from your phone, but now it's better. me. >> It might be because you were live streaming at the same time on your phone if you're >> me. Let's be honest. >> My settings are better than my mouth lags. >> I'm sure it's all right. >> No, DJ. Like, cuz in the lobby, you were fine. Like, it's your internet. It's not the camera. The camera was crystal clear. You just got >> I can't get any better internet. Actually, I probably can. I don't know. >> It keeps just buzzing in and out. So, it seems like a connection thing. Yeah, it's definitely the buffering from the internet.

>> So, what's your um Have we got Can I just throw a couple of topics out there just conversation? >> Um >> DJ, your demographic. What What's your typical kind of the majority of your coaching clients or demographic for consultations and things like that? Honestly, I do a lot of behind the scene hormone and compound management. So, I do a lot of cycle design. I work in conjunction with a lot of coaches. So, I'm managing the hormones. I'm doing the blood work. I do the cycle design. They're handling a lot of the actual training portion. For my active coaching clients, it's so diverse. I don't think I have a demographic. And I I think it would probably be beneficial if I had a set demographic. I think it'd probably take a unique person to be drawn to being my client. Everything from like sporty 17 year olds trying to make sure that they get into their college of choice trying to optimize sports nutrition with their parents' guidance. You know, I work with 78-y old women.

>> Yeah. >> And competitors. So, it's all over the map.

>> How what what would you say? Have you I mean you're doing a lot of cycle design and stuff I'm assuming for females as well. What would what's your the the biggest thing you see that needs >> the biggest kind of common fix that you see from females?

>> Learn how to lift [laughter] >> and don't eat peanut butter on that. No, I feel like so many women are glamorizing PEDs right now on the internet, especially within this space, that it's making it look very appealing to entrylevel athletes and competitors. And like obviously it's going to fasttrack things. No one's going to lie about that. Doesn't mean you should, but so many women are jumping in without a foundation. And this applies to men, too. But men are typically not going to suffer the same potential risks that women will. They're, you know, we, so we have suppression and they get off. Maybe they get some acne, you know, estrogen flare-ups. Well, you can pay to have gynecomastia taken care of. You you can't unveilize yourself. You can't ungrow a beard and fix your clitoris and reverse that jawline.

>> Yeah. So, it's it's a it's a big step and I just feel like a lot of people jump in without that foundation or optimizing their baseline hormones like restoring like an ovulatory cycle post shows pretty dang important >> but they just want to know when they can get to Anavar again.

>> I was kind of going to lean into that one because I have a lot of female clients that struggle with that. They've come from a situation where they're like, "Oh, I was in this really long prep doing this, that, and the other for a long time and I'm 6 months post show and I still haven't had my menstrual come back and blood work is trashed and things like that. So what would you um like your I mean I know this is an extremely loaded question because it's really individual uh analysis kind of thing but do you have like um a kind of a time frame framework that you try to aim for in a post show reverse get hormones back online get menstrual cycles moving again get people in a healthy position to actually grow because I think females typically will be like a little way more desperate to stay leaner for longer.

>> Mhm. >> And they're willing to keep a lot of stuff in that does not need to remain in or at least needs to be tapered off. Um and that and on the back of that they they sacrifice that menstrual cycle and end up basically just getting nowhere. They're six eight months down the line. They feel terrible. They've made no gains and they're still kind of shooting distance away from stage lean and can't mentally get away from that. So, I mean, aside from the mental, do you have like a timeline framework that you work through?

>> Honestly, it's about that 8week duration and that's kind of with everybody. Um, I know everybody has their preferences, but I don't even run blood work till we're 8 weeks post. So, like I know what we did. I know what your liver enzymes look like. I know exactly what your lipids look like. I want the chance to correct that, get it back on track, and then at that 8week mark, make those assessments and say, "Hey, we need to make these changes. We're going to look at maybe these pharmaceuticals or supplements to get you back where you belong. Typically, a lot of it's based on what the off season looks like. That's why I stress the importance of not only building phases for adequate tissue, but to make sure your food's okay so you're not starting prep, starving yourself. We see that a lot. Uh but dietary fats, especially for women, to get hormones back on track. And you can do it naturally. Natural supplementation I think is drastically underrated and underutilized for cycle restoration especially, but it's the fats. So, we have to be careful with how we re-implement the fats. And it's definitely a very structured process, but they're going to have to understand like restoring your baseline hormones is essential, which means coming off the compounds and not jumping straight back into them, especially I work with natural athletes as well, but [clears throat and cough] keeping them off the enhancements, making them understand why we don't live on them.

>> Yeah. And I love I love showing people uh Cat Adam's girlfriend cuz they didn't even use antibiotics before a show at 2 and a half milligrams. They did everything with just peptides and you know DHA pregnant alone. No anabolics until the very very end of it. Like you can get that look without having to braille anabar right away. But most chicks don't want to take that time though.

>> Well I work with a lot of IFBB clients that are not on anar. They are on HRT and they they're using other peeds, but they have not actually like jumped into Anabar yet.

>> Yeah. >> And that's still I mean people don't believe me when I say that. I'm like, well, I'm the one doing the protocols, so it's not common by any means.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Well, you' be just a decent testosterone base if it's needed can make a world like an extreme difference. like you if you get that test locked in to a good range for females, I mean, you get all the difference in massive results. Like to me, that's the lowest hanging fruit, right? If you're going to do anything, start there.

>> Um, and then anything else that gets added gets added, you know, in in in addition at the right times when it's really needed, justified inputs. But I feel like a lot of people are just skipping over the the TRT part of that. And >> TRT is a big one for women and then addressing what hormonal contraceptives they're [snorts] utilizing. I don't like that they're so demonized. I I feel like everybody's like, "Oh, they're interfering with your gains. It's why your hormones suck." I'm like, "Well, [snorts] you know what really interferes with gains?

>> Getting pregnant." [laughter] >> Good point. Good point. coaches having the opportunity to >> get better pulling out. [laughter] >> I there's a lot of options out there to choose from

Having that conversation and like I've got some wild clients and like I'll tell you what, the amount of Plan B. It's it's hard to maintain, you know, cycle regularity or prioritize hormonal health when we're using Plan B all the time. When it's in your DoorDash card, it's not a good thing. Yeah, that and Halo Top. Yeah.

Well, it's not in mine, but I've seen girls that have it in their DoorDash cart just in case. Like the quick order.

What about, um, the use of like, uh, implants, IUDs? Um, I like copper IUDs. Honestly, a bit of an echo problem.

I think echo's on your end.

Yeah, there's a big echo, especially when DJ's speaking. I don't know if it's just DJ or if it's me as well, but I only hear it when DJ's speaking. I turned off the echo button because I thought it would help. I, there was an echo button. I don't know where it went.

It's not now. It's good now.

Yeah. Sounds like somebody has a fan on or something, but I can't tell who.

Oh, that's probably my computer tower. It's got loads of fans in it.

But saying that, it shouldn't be right now because I've got this mic right here. Sometimes if you don't wear headphones, it'll pick up double, but I don't know if you have speakers.

I only got headphones because everybody else wore headphones and I like mine. Podcast.

Yeah, mine will get double feedback. I hate wearing them. That's why I'm always like, 'cause I can't, if I can hear myself talk, I have trouble like enunciating and because I can't hear my own voice, which I don't like. But

I would wear them, but I don't think I've got a cable long enough. I'll upgrade. I'll go and buy some. Um,

so yeah, with the IUDs, is that something that, um, you typically like women to take out at some point if they want to get back down to some sort of actual genuine base?

It's so case by case dependent. I think a lot of it comes down to safe sex practice, honestly. And I, like I said, I got a lot of promiscuous clients and like that's fine, but it, it really depends. Like, are you going to be regular with taking, you know, a mini pill? And and everybody hates combined oral contraceptives, but I'll tell you what, when we look at like socioeconomic factors, that can be life-saving for some women, especially young women that might not have access to specific medical care or consulting services. I think there's a time and place for everything. Obviously, with most of the IUDs, they're supposed to be localized, but they're not. We see the systemic effects, like especially from like Mirena, and they're not ideal. We can't track them. They halt ovulation for typically the the first year or two, but

it's it's case by case dependent.

And then you have to like dive into their sex lives, too. There's like that aspect. And then it's like, okay, what's appropriate? Like, how, how do we phrase this? Not being judgmental.

I just don't give a [ __ ] whatever you want. But I've probably been worse. They tell me everything.

I just hate that. I just feel like in this community, people only have negative things to say about it. But I look at some of the long-term consequences if we don't have it in place and how difficult that journey can be to remove and utilize and that that's a journey in itself, stabilizing, you know, figuring out what contraceptive you're going to utilize.

Yeah.

I got my husband sniffed.

So just use a condom or pull out. But guys refuse to use condoms, too. So there's there's that.

Yeah.

There's

that's interesting though. I just wanted to get your your inputs on that because a lot of people will preach the IUDs got to come out. We need that menstrual cycle back. You know, we've got

I mean, that's in an ideal world. Absolutely. But there was, like I said, there's a lot of factors there. I think that the one-size-fits-all approach is really a problem, especially with contraceptives.

Yeah. Yeah. Fair enough. And with the TRT input, are you, um, on board with? Is there anything that you have in place like as a prophylactic like this, if we're doing TRT, especially for like first-time exposure or if it's going to be a long time, like is TRT for life situation? Are there things in place that you're like, this, this will remain, this has to be in place, like progesterone, for example?

I look at, well, I won't even consider TRT until we've pulled like DHEA sulfate and like your vitamin D and we adjust your lifestyle, make sure you're eating enough protein. Um, I'm big on natural supplementation to try and boost levels in females, especially because some of them are so responsive. Uh, but I love TRT as a base, especially if you're going to be running cycles as a female. The biggest thing, especially here, is oh my gosh, the overdosing, the dosages we're seeing and the amount of women that viralize and don't realize they do. I, I had vocal issues on DHEA and luckily I was able to catch it before I had any more of a pitch drop, but you will catch me cracking. I will, I have a very unstable voice and that was from low-dose DHEA supplementation. So, um, the issue with TRT, especially versus like running a cycle, they're not going to wake up one day and be like, "Oh, I'm cracking and I'm like, I'm clearing my throat." It can happen slowly over the course of one, two years. We start to see facial structure changes and they don't see it happening. So, I have like a whole list of things, like checklist of like what we, you know, are going to monitor, how we're going to monitor, 'cause knowing the signs, virilization is 100% preventable.

If you know what to look for, it's preventable. And a lot of people don't know that. But if you have somebody advocating for you, even your spouse, it's like, "Hey, did you do your vocal pitch app this week? Hey, you're cracking when you orgasm." Things like that. Having an advocate for you, even outside of the coach, but somebody in your home. Virilization is preventable.

Yeah.

Have you seen, I've been seeing this a lot too with the men not coached men, but just men being on TRT and Clomid at the same time. Like, what is the explosion of that about? 'Cause I, I thought the whole point of Clomiphene was to not take TRT, but they're trying to stack both together.

I don't know where it came from.

I've never used Clomiphene with anyone ever.

Yeah. 'Cause I'm seeing all kinds of guys, like, I think I [ __ ] myself up 'cause I'm using both at the same time. Like, why are you using both? Like, what was the logic here? They don't know. They never know. But where did you see it?

I don't know what happened with just using good old HCG. Like, most guys don't care about testicular atrophy. They might like the semen volume increase or something. But the enclomiphene thing, and then now I'm seeing TRT clinics that are like, "I saw you coming a mile away. You get enclomiphene, HCG, and test. You don't even care about your balls and you're done." And then I talked to a guy today that was paying $600 a month for Depo-Test through his clinic too. So they try to add all those things on. I had another guy that was paying $66, $600 for glutathione, which is like one of the cheapest [ __ ] things out there. Like they just wreck people sometimes.

Dude, it's the ones I've seen recently that have been bad is the female-specific clinics. They're like, "We're all, you know, it's just females only." And their entry-level dosages for like someone who's first time on TRT, they're going right in at like 10 milligrams.

Oh, that's the, that is the standard starting dose across the board for most clinics.

Don't you think that's absolutely mental?

I don't know any woman that hasn't experienced some form of virilization. Whether it's acceptable or not, everybody's got their own thresholds. I get that. But some form of virilization on 10 milligrams a week.

It's a lot. It's a lot. Like, I, I have, um, like the reference ranges, like there's an ideal, right? So what we talking, like somewhere between 40 and 60, you know, we have these numbers where it would be ideal for test, blah, blah, blah. But again, the reference ranges again, I think are very, very individual. Like someone's, you know, 50 could be someone else's 90 and the, that's where they need to be to feel great, blah, blah, blah. Some people will say anything over 70 is virilization risk zones and, you know, stay away from it. I kind of see that as a little bit flexible person to person. But just as an intro, entry-level dose at 10 milligrams, and that is like a, I don't know where that came from. Maybe you do some [ __ ] study somewhere, I guess. But it just seems mental. And every time I've seen someone do that and then they come to me like, "Hey, I'm kind of feeling this way," and I'm like, "What are you doing?" "Oh, the clinic put me on TRT. I show up like once every once a week and they give me this one big bolus shot." And I'm like, "What the, what are these [ __ ] people doing?" And it's mental. And their bloods are always stupidly elevated. And I'm, I'm like, "You're going to come right back down to like three, and we're going to start there and and we're going to play around with it and find some sweet spots for you if that's"

Do you all do consulting too?

Huh?

Do you guys do consulting as well?

Yeah.

What's that highest female test level you've seen?

Highest female?

That was overdosed on test or overdosed themselves? Uh, 150 something.

Actually, haven't had too many females with an HRT panel sent aside from a couple clients. So, I mean, they're within range. They were actually doing pretty well for me personally.

I've seen 1500 female. Jesus Christ.

Frequently in the 700s. That's usually like, "My boyfriend just said I weighed half of what he weighed, so he cut his dose in half."

And then the boyfriend is wondering a gram. She's doing 500.

Yeah. I, I mean, I've got a handful of females over the last year or so. That that demographic is a little bit new. So I, I don't have the, uh, the, um, the amount of people that you probably have worked with over the years when it comes to females. But so far,

the peptide mom, 150.

The peptide mommies.

Yes. The soccer moms.

A lot of them are like, "Oh, I've been taking Depo-Test. It must make me lose any weight." I'm like, "Have you changed your diet?" And they always swear they have. Then as soon as you get into their diet, you're like, "You're not doing [ __ ] anything." Like, it's, it's never as they say.

Yeah.

Or I have you start having them log and they're eating like 20 grams of protein a day and I'm like, "You're not even close to eating enough protein." Yeah.

I see a lot of, um, people that have come over and they've been like, "Hey, I was talking to this clinic or this coach." Well, typically a coach in this case, and they're like, "Oh, the blood work kind of points as a bit of a no-brainer for a bit of a test base here, or at least like you said, let's start with some DHEA, some pregnenolone. Let's get something moving and test the waters a little bit and just see what we can do before going in with the test." But the signs would typically, like I look at their timelines, blood work over a period of time. They've done this, they've done that, nothing's worked. And I'm like, "It's probably time for a little test." But there's a lot of guys, a lot of these coaches, like, "Oh no, we're just going to hit you with some Ostarine and some Anavar, and that's like an entry-level fix." And I'm like, "What? Wait, no." So, have you seen a lot of su females?

Or if you're Justin Mahala, you just give them DMP. Call it a day. Whatever works for.

I, I won't allow the use of SARMs. So that's my, my personal take. I, I just, I think it's garbage. I think a lot of coaches, if they can get away with long-term low-dose Ostarine, they know that it will produce results. Um, so they kind of just utilize it haphazardly. It's very common in in the female demographics. But again, like I love TRT, and especially because, like, let's be honest, when you give anyone androgens and it's like surging through your body, you feel great. Now, give like a tiny little bikini athlete androgens, they're going to feel like king of the world. But we can actually maintain that in a healthy manner through adequate TRT instead of just slamming back-to-back Anavar cycles and waiting for like clitoral growth and breast atrophy.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I made the video on here about SARMs turning the frog's gaze. You know where I stand on SARMs.

Yeah.

I'm not a fan.

We got one question, that's for sure.

Uh, just got blood work back with high E2 but no symptoms. Should I try an AI or Masteron? Currently running Test and GH.

Oh, this is one of them where I'm like, it was, did you get high sensitivity estradiol tested? Do that first. Uh, and if you did and it was still high, but there's no symptoms,

I'm kind of like,

well, like, how high is high?

Are you wanting to get into cycles? Are you want to run stuff? Are you trying to actually utilize TRT? Like, how much to, how much were you taking to elicit that response? Like, that's, that's a loaded question.

Is it to be honest, you know, if you feel great and you're getting the results and there are no side effects and as if you look at your overall blood work, like the overall bigger picture and we're all kind of green lights, I'm like, I'm, I'm not against it. And also, there's a lot to be said for what else are you running? What did he say? What he was not high sensitivity came back. So, yeah, it's probably just a false read.

That test is gash. Go and get high sensitivity test and you're probably absolutely fine. But, um, be said there for metabolites as well, right? Your body not metabolizing

estrogen. Um, liver health is big for that. A lot of people don't do a full like hepatic function profile and there's issues there.

And also if you had, if you've done any Nandrolone in the past six months, sometimes the Nandrolone [ __ ] it up too. Any of those things.

I've seen a trend guy come back with a 400 [ __ ] estrogen and it was just a false high, but he didn't high sensitivity.

Exactly. It happens all the time. There's a lot of stuff there and a lot of stuff, you know, a little bit of DIM, calcium D-glucarate can help with that metabolizing of those metabolites. Um, and, you know, rather than like [ __ ] I need to pound as much as I can to get these numbers in range. It's like, hold the phone. You know, it's a bigger picture first. Like you said, there's no side effects. So, there's no reason for you to panic and do something stupid. Get proper testing done and go from there.

And it's, it's not too expensive. It's like 40 bucks or something for just the high sensitivity estrogen. So,

yeah. Super quick. Yeah.

Yeah. I think, um,

well, we got, uh, Anabolic Insights now as well. They like stream the results a little bit faster than a lot of places.

Yep. Drew's in the chat. Shout out to Drew.

Shout out to Drew.

Did he get you, did he get you in the coaching portal? He, uh, he got me, Garrett, and Colton in it.

Yeah, I'm in.

Good. Yeah. Good. Yeah.

Good service.

Yeah, because now we can order directly as coaches, which is really nice.

I should probably check my messages from him because I'm supposed to be set up with something. I own my own company, but we only do lab orders. So, I'm set up with him to use Quest, but I don't know how to check that message. It's a weird app.

When, when I went in there to, uh, look at the coaching portal, I went to order my own blood work this past week, actually. There's a bunch of labs in there I never even [ __ ] heard of that we can order from, but I don't know who the [ __ ] they are. That's true. But

we get some wild requests. Things that I've never utilized or I think would be probably cardiologist specific, like that people wouldn't ordinarily order on their own. We get some really unique requests. See a lot of cross-correlation testing. Now, I've been reading a lot into some of Don Kucza's stuff when it comes to blood work analysis and some of the different markers and he has these formulas in place that give a little bit more of a deeper insight into different kinds of markers and how they correlate to suggest potential outputs, outcomes. And, uh, that's been really interesting. Um, there's some good stuff there. But honestly, yeah, with that, like I, I also get some pretty weird requests and, uh, I think people just rabbit hole something on YouTube and they're like, "Hey, should I test this?" And I'm like, "Um, if you want, like, I'm not really sure what it is." And I think a lot of that just comes down to, I'll just stay in my lane. I know what I know. And if there's something there where I'm like, I'm not sure, you should speak to this person and they're gonna deep dive some markers that they've been specialized and educated in for years.

Yeah. And I'm starting to get that too now that I'm working with guys that make more and more money. A lot of them are doing like the high-level genetic testing of the stem cell and all this stuff. And I'm like,

honestly, a lot of it's so new. You want to go to a doctor that specializes in reading a lot of genetic testing and stuff. Not the guy online because it's just not well-researched yet. But I'm seeing guys getting, I don't know how well it actually, how accurate it is, but I got the money for it myself. [ __ ] it.

Yeah, I'm going to do it soon as well. I just talking to Ryan Root about that and his company are doing it now.

And, uh, over at Hormones For Me. So I think I'm,

I think it's the next frontier. Like it's the next thing down the line to come. But it's just a matter of getting it to be out there in the market easily like blood work is right now. And is it

I want to do it because I'm insane and I take so many psychiatric medications. Like I really want to do it. I keep putting it off. I need to.

Yeah, I'm one of those like, yeah, maybe sometime it would be, but, um, you know, I'm one of those that kind of flies by the seat of my pants sometimes. My own stuff. I like make my clients do everything. When it comes to my own [ __ ], I forget half the time. I got to write a, I literally have, where is my little paper? I have an envelope. I just write things down because my phone has too many damn notifications. So, there's like my to-do list.

Oh, mine are so bad.

Got way too much [ __ ] on my phone. So, I get distracted. So, I got to put on a piece of paper.

I get distracted while I'm taking notes and then I doodle and I can't read my notes. I am like a child.

It's funny. That's how I was in like high school. I remember, uh, actually when I was working at the hospital still, we got the Epic implementation for our, uh, electronic documentation system across the whole hospital. So everybody was integrated. And I had the two old people in our [ __ ] thing. They didn't know how to like turn the computer on and [ __ ]. I'm sitting there, I drew like a whole dog on Microsoft Paint and like a whole little background running around. And literally, literally, we hadn't even got to the point of them like opening a new note yet. And I'm like, "Bro, you've been here 40 minutes. I haven't done anything yet. Like, I'm just drawing [ __ ] on Microsoft Paint." That [ __ ] drove me insane.

Sometimes people struggle in those areas.

Yeah, it was something else. I, I don't know how we ever got through that. Even with the templates, like they still couldn't figure it out. But they were OT. Thankfully, I was PT, so they were in a different office, but during that training, we had to be together.

Did you get any more questions? I know you guys said you had them on your story. We haven't got to those yet.

Got loads of like random training questions which aren't really, you know, relevant. I think

people ask some of mine.

Yeah.

Real quick.

All right. I'm keeping an eye out for Gary. He said he was going to pop in and say something. But

is he at Disney like right now?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. He was at the bar and he, uh, before you joined, he was like,

the only way to do Disney.

But his, uh, his service was all broken up and everything, so I could barely hear him.

Yeah, imagine having bad service. He's got a Hawaiian shirt on and his old mustache and he wears

No, he wasn't. He wasn't at the time. Uh, yeah, that picture he put in the group chat was the picture he was wearing. Yeah. The Hawaiian shirt and

his goth girlfriend.

I want to wait for Aaron to come back for this question. I thought we were doing Warhammer today and I was like,

"No, that's next week. It's scared of me back 'cause I know nothing about it. Those two will go off and you said that you've heard some about it. So you guys can have a field day. I'll be"

So Todd made me learn about it. I don't participate. I don't know anything about it. But then it became like this ongoing joke. So I have like all these Warhammer guys that make these Warhammer references and I want to be a part of it. So I have to like look it up to figure it out and I still don't get it.

The, yeah. Him and Garrett will go in depth. So now that you've talked to Todd, I'm, you know, Todd's just about as artistic as it gets with that kind of [ __ ]. So you get, you get

that stuff, nothing else.

You get him on Metal Dungeons and Dragons or Warhammer and he will talk for three hours.

Vampires. Ask him about.

Yeah, he's in deep. Todd's in deep.

I remember there was one time, talking about on his show and I keep, we keep missing it. Set up. Yeah, there was one time about three years ago, I just followed Todd and like just started working with Paul and I commented something about like some alien thing that he put on his page and he just sent me all these DMs about like alien space metal or something like that and just got like super in deep and I'm like, I have like 200 followers, barely know him, like private account. I'm like, "All right, like"

just go for it.

Okay. I wanted to make sure you were, you were back for this one. Um, why so much beef with the science-based lifters?

'Cause they're not science-based.

They're not science-based.

They're not real, right? Like that. That's what I'm. These aren't.

It's trolling.

What do you? Yeah, it's trolling. It's not real.

No, some, some think it's trolling, but some of them are actually pissed off about.

These boys have arms like me and they're like, "This is how you execute this for X." I mean, if you get angry at that, like if you're watching it and like going nuts.

I mean, just don't like it. You don't have to be a high IQ person to look at that person and go, "What they're saying is complete nonsense."

What we have to beef with, though, is the big accounts that have like 30,000 plus followers promoting it to all these kids. Then these kids think it's the way they need to lift 'cause, "Hey, my hero is doing it." And the next thing you know, they're doing it. And now we got a bunch of kids doing all the wrong [ __ ] in the gym.

I get it. But also natural selection.

Yeah.

I think you cut off there for a second. But yeah, I totally get that. And those guys do need to be called out because they are just, they, they started this weird little trolling trend of whatever it is they're doing, seat-belting themselves to machines, and it's just, it's complete nonsense. Everyone knows it's nonsense. And but I also look at the, the, the demographic and the kids that are watching and copying and I'm like, if you're that [ __ ] stupid, excuse my French, to actually look at that and go, "Oh, I'm going to listen to this guy who also isn't got any real muscle and no background or history in the sport or science or hypertrophy or anything. They're just random people that popped up and read a couple of bloody random Paul Carter quotes and some, like, choose one or two mechanisms to die on and then they go hard on that stuff." And a bunch, if, if you're, for these kids, if they're, if they're that dumb, if they're dumb enough to fall for it.

Natural selection.

And a lot of it too is,

are they even worth defending?

Yeah, I mean, I, I just feel bad for like those kids. Like I remember like when I was trying to find stuff, you go on the Bodybuilding.com forums and I was a [ __ ] war zone too, half the time. So finding the good information is sometimes a little hard when you're first starting too. And if that's the first thing you see, they're around your age and they're just telling you, "Well, everybody else is on steroids or they have better genetics. That's the reason why. Like this is why mine's the right way." That's what they think because that's what they're exposed to first. So it's like they don't know anybody.

Yeah, I know, man.

Like with the amount of information and the and the amount of content creators and

and people out there,

it's, yeah, it can be a minefield, but it's also never been easier to get the right information if you just

That's the big dude if you want to get big.

Yeah.

I have way less sympathy. If they're like 24 and still falling for that [ __ ], like that's on them. But if they're like an 18-year-old, I kind of feel for them 'cause they don't know any better. Like they, this is literally the first thing they saw.

Yeah, but you can use your common sense, right?

Yeah, in a way. But also, you think of how the algorithm works. Once they interact with that, that's all they see is people. They think everything is that.

Yeah, they are being fed that. That is true. That is true. The algorithm definitely

brainwashes them in a way, for sure. But again, again, I will also just be like,

is this generation just so easily programmed by social media that common sense is just not?

The answer is yes. Yes.

Yeah, I guess. But it, like, it's to me, it's just no matter what's being fed to me, there's always that common sense foundation, like, "Wait a minute, like it doesn't take a lot to figure out what's nonsense or at least what maybe needs a little bit of further searching and researching," you know? And the, I think the audacity of some of these kids that are arguing to the bitter end in the comments over some of these mechanisms.

Yeah. And I'm like, "Oh my god." And they're arguing with like some pretty high-up dudes, some big dudes, some bodybuilders. Like the audacity. Like I remember when I was a kid, anyone who had looked any way bigger and better in sports, in whatever field I was interested in, like you, you look up to them and you're like, "Whatever you, you know, you just." And now like these tiny kids with no muscle and no training history are full-blown arguing with like pro bodybuilders. Like, "You're full of [ __ ]. You could be way"

just take steroids. That's the only reason.

And I'm like, "These kids have got some balls. They've got no brains, but they've got some balls."

Yeah. Yeah. Then

once again, they don't have the foundation. They argue the minutia. They don't, like I wonder what ever happened to like doing like a Starting Strength or a 5x5 to get your baseline first time in the gym? Like I think that's a great way to get into it. Yeah, sure. It's more a little bit powerlifting, but you're building a strength base to work off of.

I don't care if you're a powerlifter or not. You need to be able to squat, bench, dead. Like that's just the basics.

Or you could strap yourself to 15 cables.

Being able to move in an efficient way, right?

With a bondage kink. Yeah.

All right. Best cycle support.

Uh, that's pretty vague. Um,

super vague. It depends on what's [ __ ] up, how you convert. Uh, it's super, super vague. Melanotan 2. I, I mean, Tan 2 makes every cycle look better. So is your tan and your jack?

I've never utilized it. I'm afraid it'll make me freckle a lot more.

Forget the supplements. Good lighting. Test base and good lighting. That's all you all you need.

100%.

Yeah. No, I mean, I, I

I make everyone take glutathione.

Even if they're not on orals. I like.

Yeah, glutathione's is a great option for sure. Um, I think even if you go even really lowest, lowest, lowest hanging fruit, just

Omegas.

You know, some, a good baseline of just health subs, you know, a decent multi with some good trace minerals in there, you know, some B's, some C's, some D's, some K. Like I have like a foundation list of stuff that I know people aren't probably not going to get quite enough from from nutrition when they're

But you do want blood work to be sure to see.

Exactly. Yeah. I mean, blood work should, I mean,

blood work. Blood work is the best support because then you'll know exactly what you need to take.

There. Blood. Yes.

Get a blood pressure monitor. If you can keep your blood pressure under control, that's 90% of the problems solved. It's for males anyway. No, it's a huge issue and people are paying attention to lab work now, but then they forget blood pressure even exists.

Can you imagine how that comes to me with like years of lab work and they're like, "Look at all of this stuff. Look at all my supports. Look how, you know, prepared I am." And I'm like, "Okay, what's your blood pressure trend?" And they're like,

I mean, I went to the doctor six months ago. I can look. And I'm like, "You don't own"

Yeah.

a young natural kid recently like, "Do I, I'm natural. Do I really need to look at this?"

And I'm like, "Yeah. Like you're about to put yourself in a whole bunch of physical stress that you've never dealt with before. Way higher food. Like you're going to be redlining. Whether you're on gear or not, you're redlining." I mean, I know the question is about a cycle, but blood pressure is something that people should be very conscious of and checking on a regular basis, just like it's, it's one of the most lowest hanging fruits that's so easily managed and will mitigate so, so many problems now and down the line.

Yep. And I, 'cause I worked in physical therapy for 10 years. So I mean, the average that I'm used to seeing versus what they should be is like two completely different worlds. Like the average patient probably came into me at 150 to 170 over 90. That that was pretty common every day. And you think about how many doctors just let that go and don't even like [ __ ] address it and they end up having cardiac issues down the line. Like low hanging fruit and gets addressed and they don't even think about checking it. And then we wind up with the one guy I had, he was an amputee. Had a stroke earlier in the year. Comes in. He was 220 over 120. Straight to the ER. I was like, "We are not doing anything." What's crazy is he didn't have a headache or anything. Didn't even feel it. No idea. I have a pounding headache at like 150 if I ever hit 150. And I've started making people do a lot of, we, we do preliminary things before cycles. Like I've recently, and I honestly, I feel like I should have been doing this and this was irresponsible before, but recently I've started requiring to do like more advanced lipid assessments before we consider any type of implementation of orals. And especially if we're going to require like a Zeto, we're not, it's not going to be something that we can mitigate through like our normal supplements where we see like a little fluctuation and then it works itself out in six weeks. No, like I've, I should have been doing that the whole time. But now that's a big one for me. I'm also very happy that there's now some telehealth companies you can get a Zeto stuff from easily without having to go through UGLs and [ __ ] around with all that [ __ ]. I found a couple of them a couple weeks ago.

Alo is awesome. You can just buy.

Alo is a pain in the ass 'cause Alo won't ship [ __ ]. No, they don't ship [ __ ] to South Carolina.

A lot of limitations in states right now.

Yeah. They were like, "You can't ship to me." So I was like,

Alo RX.

Alo RX. What? And you can just order Zomide. So you, you go on and you basically fill out like a, a health intake form, provider approves it, and then they, they ship it straight to you. But like he said, there's a lot of, each compound has different state restrictions. So like they technically service 50 states, but they, like, don't.

I did get Alo, but I can't get Zeto. I'm like, Zomide is even lower of a class than like, doesn't make sense.

The GLPs have a lot of restrictions on there too. But Telly RX, they'll have a doctor actually write it for you and they can ship it to anywhere because they, it comes with a script in there and tells you how to refill it with them.

And they do all 50 states.

As far as I know, 'cause I got stuff I couldn't get from Alo and Anna and somebody just told me about that literally this week.

Which one's that?

Telly RX.

Telly RX.

Sponsor.

Yeah, right. That might get us flagged though after Chase's channel got taken down. I got to be careful with that. Yeah, I think for low hanging fruit though, like cycle backup. Sorry, I just put one more in there as well. I do like a lot of the newer, um, kind of renal, um, supplements that are coming out now, which have like a little Natto-Kinase in there and things. I think that's a lot of really good quality low hanging fruit supplements that can just kind of keep tabs on your, you know, your vascular health, your kidney health, and a lot of that is again, it kind of goes hand in hand with blood pressure management as well. But your liver is very, very resilient and very good at recovering and you have, you have to pound it pretty hard to do some, you know, serious damage. I know some people do, but again, that's the genetic thing as well. Genetic resilience to anything is is a huge genetic factor. But kidneys are one of them where I'm like, I think if you can keep something in there that just

I don't play with kidneys.

Yeah. Just, just, just for the sake of 20, 30 bucks, I think that's one of those things which peace of mind-wise is is very beneficial. Hey, Drew's adding meds to our, uh, coaching stuff, so that's makes it easy too for the telehealth.

Cheaper than Go. Cool.

I feel like they're pretty affordable.

That's awesome.

Yeah, but, uh, yeah, what I noticed yesterday too, I had a guy come, a client send me his blood work, and he was a [ __ ] dumpster fire. Uh, he's one who also runs a bunch of orals, but guess the statin C was [ __ ] up too, on top of all his lipids being [ __ ] up. And of course, he wants to continue running. I'm like, "No, like we're not." Asked him what his blood pressure was. Three different times and I still haven't got an answer on it.

I don't think he wants to take.

Sweep it under the rug.

He's, he's like, "Well, I just got told Mr. I'll just start taking that." I'm like,

"Uh, yeah, nobody."

So, it's, it's high.

You might need a lot more than that. I tell you what could be beneficial there is the old Slooh.

Yeah. I don't know. It was, it was awesome though. It was quick. I literally got, I ordered it Friday and I already got it, so it was fast.

That's cool. Sorry. What do we do? We have another question there.

Um, super generic, but Primo or EQ?

Only one of them is available these days and everyone keeps, you know, just everyone's now straight on the EQ train. Um, and I'm not against it whatsoever. I've tried it. Didn't make me feel great. Um, I much prefer the other option. You know, let's just say Primo's out of the picture. Your your two lowest hanging fruit options is either yet like, well, Masteron's still in play, so that there's no reason why Masteron can't be used for males at least in most situations.

Mass is tough to find right now too. At a decent price.

Injectable DHT derivatives. Like it, you might find a pro, but it's, I, I remember when this happened and I was like, "Nah." I, I think I was even like, I got a little sassy. I was like, "You still don't have a plug?" I got a little rude. And then now it's like a genuine international shortage. It's.

Yeah.

There's run a lot of it. But Mast, I can still get a good healthy supply of good quality Mast.

Yeah, the problem with the Mast is I can like get [ __ ] prop and I hate doing all those injections.

Yeah.

I'm a little [ __ ] about it.

Drop me a message. I'll send you a good link. But, um, the, uh, EQ is obviously a nice lowest, a low hanging fruit option which can be really beneficial. But case to case dependent, it's some people it just does not agree with them. Like you get a lot of red flags real early on blood work or mental sites.

Or Garrett, he said he was on a gram of test, did 200 EQ and it crashed his [ __ ] estrogen again like he just a little bit of.

It's one of those where.

Aromatizer.

Yeah, it can, it can work, but it's something that needs very, very careful management and in that case, I'd kind of lean more towards, well, let's just leverage a bit more test and then maybe an AI if you do need any estradiol management there. Um,

that's kind of where I'm at. That's what I'm doing now.

And it's, I, I did the, the, I mean, that, I think you.

Oh, the anti-AI people are going to come for you. Oh my gosh.

God, I'll do everything else, but.

I consider like, I consider those equivalent to the science-based lifters. That's my equivalent.

Oh, for sure. And it's just a trend. They don't know what they're saying. Some guy said it once on a video and then it becomes a thing that everyone says, but no one really can back it up. And then when I say, "Can you show me any evidence of anyone having"

You can when they pull the data from 70-year-old women with estrogen-positive breast cancer.

Yes. When they use it to put their estrogen at zero, they absolutely can show you the data. And that applies to you healthy young bodybuilder that's jacked trying to keep healthy physiological levels of estrogen.

There we go. That about summarizes our thoughts for.

Okay. The future of anabolic steroids. Will we truly get selective steroids one day? I'm assuming like tissue selective maybe.

Not unless another comp or another country wants to [ __ ] do research on them. But the US, they're [ __ ]. They just banned Anavar completely. So good luck on that.

I think that's our biggest issue is in terms like how, how can big pharma benefit and do we have practical medical application to fund those studies and justify them? Now, then again, then again, whoever Adam's working with overseas, they're doing a lot of research and everything.

So much cool stuff overseas, though. Like I, I my, my kids heard this conversation and they run around saying like, "Russian underground butt drugs," which is like totally not appropriate. But we were talking about like the prostate health peptides that they, that are available in Russia and how it's like very hard to get unless you have like a concierge physician here in the US. And that would help so many men pee normally.

Interesting. I think the whole landscape of, uh, performance-enhancing drugs will be completely different in, not in a pretty short amount of time. Michael was talking about a couple of things when he recently, um, I can't remember.

Yeah.

Myostatin inhibitors and whatever else it was stuff.

Yeah. Yeah. I think it's like one drug that does like three or four different things like that, like all in one.

Yeah. It was like they did some monkey studies already and it was something along the lines of

the results. I can't remember the numbers, so I won't try to explain them, but it was like, "Oh, that's that's crazy amazing results."

If, was that for the justific, was what you're talking about? Was that the one that they're looking at to like implement alongside GLPs for like muscle wasting that we see under the clinical protocols?

I think it was mentioned in that scenario.

Because Michael was kind of talking generally about like body mods and new kind of like.

Being able to look and feel the way you want to look. Yeah.

But I think if there's, if there's early, usually with anything, right, if there's early signs of potential promise, um, a lot of the time it does lead to something that is potentially very viable down the line. But now with AI in the picture where we're able to fast track all of this stuff, you know, in in these labs or, you know, wherever they're doing this research stuff, I think the future, the idea of, I, I think in 10 years' time, maybe sooner, we'll look back on the days where we were injecting ourselves with stuff and go, "What the hell were we doing?"

You think it'll be Neanderthal. It'll be like, "I can't believe those bodybuilders used to do this. This is how they used to get big." And

Well, I mean, you hear about it in the '80s, guys bringing a bag of D-bol. They just pop it down.

That will be like a hearing about cavemen making fire. It will be that dramatic. I think in 10 years' time there will be an eye drop and boom, you live forever. Who the [ __ ] knows? I, it will be, I don't even think bodybuilding will be necessarily.

A thing that far ahead in the future because it will be so easy to be able to enhance yourself. Then it will literally just come down to well who's got the best genetics and that will be it. I don't think I think people will barely have to train. I I think the advancements in the medicine will be so far beyond what we can imagine now. It would completely change the whole landscape of of all every all steroids.

And the demand too, like the the demand is growing. I like to call it the the peptide soccer moms like slinging JPEs on TikTok because I feel like peeds everyone's like, "Oh, well, people are normalizing it. These these peed educators and like, yeah, I do feel like that's a an issue for sure. Um to just normalize it, make it very casual." But dude, the the GLP moms on TikTok, like once they realized that like the way they use things and peptides are actually PEDs. Like everybody's about peeds now. Like [snorts] we used to, you know, shame the bodybuilders for injecting steroids. But now that you can do glow blend and make your skin pretty and you can eat crap and stay >> and I've seen some super [ __ ] on TikTok, like these little patches and band-aids they use that are GLP band-aids and stuff. Like what the [ __ ] Like [laughter and gasps] and and what's funny is I'll talk about that and it's fine, but I made one post about Red True Tit and got all my Reddit post for the last year flagged and that's how I got on my last warning and then I made a post about people calling me AI like in the comments for whatever reason like this I look like AI. I'm like okay cool because my mouth doesn't [laughter] >> and I I did a post on that and then I got flagged for like negative body image or something like that and my account got so [ __ ] stupid.

Whatever. Dude, but you know, isn't it funny though? Those little peptide mums, like the obese ones, like the narrative changes so fast. >> It wasn't long ago where it was all about, well, uh, >> oh, that's cheating. It was epic's cheating. And now it's like, oh, >> everything was cheating and it was all about body body positivity, right? It was like, you know, I'm healthy and I'm supposed to be like this and blah blah blivity because you don't have >> And now all of a sudden you can drop 30 pounds without getting off your fat ass. >> Yeah. And now it's now you're all for it. And oh, I've never felt better. I've lost 30 pounds in the last month. I've never felt so so healthier. And now I can go and play soccer with my kids outside. And it's like, oh, now now you can do it without having to [ __ ] go to the gym. Now it's cool. And it's just like, where's all the body positivity checks now? You know, where's all the >> Well, then what happens? They they lose the weight with the GLP without doing anything. And then they're like, oof, I don't I don't like how I look now. All of a sudden, I'm not anti-steroid. Can I get some Anavar? That's what happens.

Well, that and then uh some of them get ostracized, too, cuz they do the whole fat positivity thing. Then if they make the change to lose the weight, then all their fan base hates them for losing the weight because they were all about staying fat. >> So then they kind of lose their fan base, too. >> Yeah, it's just Yeah.

Tom's been waiting. I'm going to hit Tom's uh thing here. It's been all 30 minutes since he posted it. >> [laughter and gasps] >> What are your basic opinions on carb cycling and diet strategy for a gym bro or just stick with the basics of calorie counting and macros?

I love carb cycling. I think it's great. >> My carb cycle. >> I try to get everybody who can do it on it. >> Some travel schedules don't allow it because I'll have guys who has pre-cooked meals or they a few of my guys have their own private chefs, but it's like at the work site cuz it's a business expense and they can write it off. So, they'll just eat pre-prepared chef meals there, but it's like they can't tightly control exactly what they're making because they supply it to their employees, too, to write it off for all the employees. So, it's just a matter of trying to portion control a little bit on that.

Yeah, I have that problem with my private chef, man. He just won't hit my macros. >> Be nice. But, yeah, I [ __ ] hate cooking. [laughter] I wish I had. >> But yeah, opinion, if you can do it, do it. It's great. >> Yeah. Yeah. And it makes it way easier. I mean, not as much in a bulk, per se. I mean, bulk you can just kind of consistently eat, but in a cut, really being able to refeed that one day a week essentially makes a huge difference. >> Then you don't have to take a big three-day refeed or anything like that or a diet break. You can just keep going.

I find it's a very good motivating tool. Like for a lot of people, well, unfortunately for a lot of people, I really don't think it matters because their training sucks. But I do think it's a motivating tool to know and look forward to those higher carbs. I think I think that we can get more output from some demographics by kind of like hanging that reward in front of them. They're like, "Oh, this is my this is my leg day. I get more food on X, Y, and Z." I I think it can be a really great tool for that for some individuals as well. >> And then my lifestyle guys, if I can get it in there too for them, it's also nice because they get that one day to go out eat with the wife or whatever. So like they don't feel guilty about them. Hey, just take your high day that day. Log it. As long as it's close, you're good. you know, get the steak and potatoes, maybe one piece of cheesecake. Don't eat [ __ ] six slices of it, you know, like you try to fill them in a little bit, but it's nice for that, too.

Yeah, absolutely. >> My favorite bad meal is Brussels sprouts, which sounds like nice, but it's the way that my husband prepares them. It's disgusting. It's so >> You mean your private chef? >> Yes. Yes. My private chef does so much bacon in them. Balsamic there. It's I It's probably a higher calorie meal than like any sweet binge that somebody could do, but it's probably my like it's my guilty pleasure food. I love Brussels sprouts.

So weird. >> Have ice cream. Absolutely. [laughter] >> Sorry. >> I'm going to eat ice cream. I'm eating real ice cream. I'm not ordering top. [laughter] >> Hey, that or eat a ton of peanut butter. Right. [snorts] >> That's what I'm supposed to do apparently. My genetics. I have ovaries, so it's all I can do.

Well, it's funny. Uh, actually, there was a hurricane potentially going to hit here last month, so I was looking all over. I did find some almond butter. I got it. But literally looking at the store, like I didn't realize like I remember like the last time I shoed for any of the nut butters, it was all just basic brands. All of them are like cookie dough flavored and [ __ ] now. Like there was nothing that was just like plain ass almond butter. >> Are you saying almond? >> Almond cashew. Cashew almond. >> Almond. Almond. >> Almond. Almond. >> Is that going to sound like me? Almonds. >> Tomato. Tomorrow. [snorts] >> I'm from up north. >> I don't think he >> up north. I sound a little bit more English. You got that. Where are you from? From from up north. >> I'm from New York originally. >> Okay. Yeah. So, probably like a little bit of the Irish. >> I am Irish Scandinavian, but yeah. I mean, down in the city and like New Jersey area, you have that Italian accent, the bull, all that. But then once you get more upstate, it's more just this great, I guess, normal to me, normal accent. But >> ma, give me the almonds. [laughter] Accents here are cool. Mine's so boring. American accents are dope. Jean, >> well, it's funny. We feel the opposite. We all like the the Brit Australian accents are funny too, but we like making fun of the girls that like Adam and I get going off on like cat and some of the other girls are like no like they can't say no normally. [laughter] >> Put an R in there. >> I don't stand like that. No, [laughter] >> that's funny. >> That was it for my questions. >> That's some good questions. Co some good stuff. Last time I didn't know I was supposed to post it to my story. I just failed last time. And I lost power, didn't I? I lost power in the middle of >> Yeah. >> the podcast. >> Where do you live? In the mountains or something. >> The great plains of North Texas. >> Oh, >> but not like the cool parts. We're just like a pass through area between like two major metropolitan areas. We just suck. >> It's not as bad as Wyoming. >> There's stuff in Wyoming. There's nothing. [snorts] >> If I went two hours north or south, it'd be cool. But where I'm at? >> Oh, yeah. No, I drove eight hours through Wyoming and saw nothing but like the occasional [ __ ] house. It was not a fun trip.

I will say in Texas you can go like to pretty much any corner of the state and experience something different, >> but it's also like flight worthy. It's not like a quick drive. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. We did like Austin and Macallen recently. Cool places. Good times there. I always tell people when they ask I have my like Texas accent, where you from? And I I Googled like small towns in in like West Texas. There's a little place called Big Spring. And I'm like, yeah, I'm from a Big Spring, West Texas. And people, [laughter] but I'm like, let's hold it together. See if I can get through a full a full conversation without breaking. >> Can you? >> No. I would laugh and I'm like, I can't do it. I'm sorry. I'm British. I'm just trying. But I love Texas. I brought my first pair of boots and hat recently. There's a little bit of Texas left with me. Special place. >> Going to move there. >> I If I was going to live anywhere else than outside of Vegas, I would definitely choose somewhere in Texas for sure. Yeah, it's a good vibe there. I like it.

Yeah, I've always liked uh I like Vegas out there to visit. But then again, I do like being on the coast and go to the beach, too. So, there's the pluses and minuses. >> San Diego is real nice. Yeah. Well, so you pay that California tax. >> Good point. >> Yeah. >> I was stationed in like the armpit of the United States. I was in Yuma for four years. So every weekend I would drive to San Diego. We'd go out to Camp Pendleton out there. >> Yuma. >> Yuma. I But I I loved the weather while I was there. Sometimes the airplanes would like burn me. So I'd have to wear like tights underneath my little coveralls because it would literally burn through the fabric and then you'd sweat extra. But it it was never cold. It was fabulous.

Yeah, here we get a little bit of a winter. I may get down to like 30 in like January and February, but then it's back to normal. But me, I'm used to negative 20 and 3 ft of snow all [ __ ] winter. So for me, it's like nothing. So >> I'm like a Chihuahua. I can't get cold. >> I don't do that. >> I haven't experienced any cold weather in like four years. But at the end of this year, I've got to go back to China for a while. And that's right in the middle of winter. I am not looking forward to that. >> That'll be fun. >> Yeah, >> I don't think I have enough beef on my my bones to do cold weather. [laughter] >> There's just I I don't do even if it's like under 70, I'm like I stay in.

I'm starting to get that way a little bit being down here for so long. But I still go home once a year, so I get that. Honestly, if it's negative and there's no wind and the sun's out, it's really not that bad. It's really crisp. But as soon as a little bit of winds there, you're like, "Oh, [ __ ] this. I'm gone inside." Like anyway, >> if it's under 40, even my horses won't come out of the barn. They're like, "No, we're good. We'll just stay in a little box all day. We're good." >> Rich is out by San Diego. It's 95 today. There >> is good. >> She's all like, "Oh, I want to be there right now. [laughter] >> It just got cold here. It sucks." >> Don't even know what it is here at the moment in Vegas. Probably similar to San Diego, I guess. At this time of day, it's like 77. What was it? Uh oh. All right. We're in the low 80s now. So, I guess people here would start say like say it's starting to get cold.

Yeah, we've been like 65 70. A little rainy lately >> to me. Boiling hot. Still tank top and shorts outside. But >> yeah, out. >> It's funny. I went I wore a jacket to go walk the dog right before this thinking, oh, it's 65 windy. It'll probably be cold. And I was like sweating. I had to take it off. my now the humidity there doesn't feel that hot or cold. Sorry. [snorts and laughter] [clears throat] Yeah, I think we got all the questions done. So, we'll wrap up this week. Uh, next week these guys will both be back and Garrett will be here so they can talk Warhammer. [laughter] So, if you're not a big Warhammer fan, you might want to skip next week cuz that's going to be the majority of it.

I got to study. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. [snorts] These boys, they got me into the books. I'm four books in now and it's Yeah. I'm in. I'm >> Do you do the tabletop? Like is that >> No. >> Like do you have [snorts] the little figurines and you paint? >> No, I just like the lore and the stories. So I'm just I'm just working my way through the audio books. I used to have the figurines like when I was a kid, but I didn't know really much about the law. It's just like a cool thing kids did back then, but it was way too expensive for me to like get into. Even now it's like there's better things for me to spend money on. Um, but now I'm like actually that might be a nice little thing to do to get away from the internet for a few hours and just like super hyperfocus on painting. And I did a couple and it was fun. Me and the MS sat down and we kind of did a couple figurines together and it was like, "Oh, this is a nice thing to do together."

Yeah. It's funny. I have a guy I help with business coaching. >> Amazing. and uh he was trying to clear out his gaming room for like his business stuff because he just quit his job and he had a bunch of Warhammer figurines and he started listing them online and he didn't realize some of them were like 700 bucks like some of the more rare ones and [ __ ] Like it's it's crazy. >> Yeah, [laughter] it really is. >> But uh the the law and the the books, they're awesome. Super into it. >> Number nine. Oh god, the the YouTube site. I'm not even going to >> I've seen a few like I I pay my $6 a month subscription for Warhammer TV on the official website cuz some of the the stuff they make there is great and on YouTube the fan-made stuff is next level too. >> Is that role roleplay? Like what kind of video I you know we'll get into that next week. He's he'll probably go on for like an hour on that. I just learned about like the original like 40k. Yeah, it's not like roleplay or nothing. It's just they'll they'll choose a very a specific character or a story or something from the the the book series and the law and they'll make some fans will make like a you know animated videos to go along with it and it's amazing. Super cool.

Yeah. So, we'll get into that next week. I have a full hour to go. >> Warhammer and steroids next week. >> Well, that's what we'll have to tell you. Warhammer and steroids. >> Yeah. [snorts] All right, see you guys. >> All right, thank you.