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Congolese, crazy, to know in the group, the melody by accident, it's the melody, everyone does the melody. Me, I'm going, I'm doing all that, I like his music and all. You know, French, like we found a bit, but we didn't say, you know, guy. So if I'm doing this for the guys.
[Music] And bro, it's a huge pleasure, how you are so smiley every time. Happy to see you guys, and totally, we're doing the first episode of so. We see you like this, all smiling. For that, I'm happy. Ah no, it's cool, cool, man. Just, I'm going to explain something to you. Like, it's the first time, yeah. That means this isn't an interview. You come from another universe, you come, it's not, it's, I'm prepared, I prepared a car. No, yeah, you grew up with sound and all, fully, fully. Yeah, tell me a bit about your childhood and all with music and all, because you had quite a few things going on, very, very broad. You're here, it's showing. You were in the TPain and all that, fully, fully. TPain, NETD, nDooG. It was at the end, really. I really know after, but more Chipmunk. It was really my beginnings, really, from the ear, fully. After the breaks, I know, it's more my sisters who listened to a single, a few singles there. I listened there, I picked. After, Ben, yeah, I really got into that, fully. Yeah, the R&B, not too much. I was more into church sounds and all, the Archangels and all. Yeah, but by the way, wait, it's the Congolese sisters. Yeah, you're talking amongst Congolese. You have to integrate me. Explain that. These are the long ones. We were at, you see, that thing there. That, that gets into you. Here, it happens here. You see. In fact, you Congolese are hot for music. Musically, it's, it's in harmony, all that. It's very, very strong there. It's very impactful. What he says is like he's part of the Uchiha family. You see what I mean or not? You see what I mean or not? But wait, the Uchiha are a bit mean, technically. Yeah, but they're especially very strong. You see what I mean or not? After, he's a bit of a mean Congolese. It was gods, they were gods, anyway. Okay, okay. Now you talked about musical influences. Yeah, but you saw, you come from '93 like me. Yeah. You see, we grew up, for example, I come from Montfermeil. You see, in Montfermeil, we had things we listened to, it was just us. Like, for example, you see, like, we're fully into Ghetto Fab. You see, when we were young. After, we're not the same generation, you see. Ghetto Fab, I know very well. You know. You see, Lyrical Contrast. There were guys from our place, BFBC, you see. There were guys from our place. You're from the 77. I know it was Horoscope, very rare. Yeah, there's no one. What is it today? No one. We helped each other. We have people. Don't start with the 77. We're hot. Before, there used to be dancing in the... No, man from the 77, valid. You see, if guys from the place, from the balls, from... At the time. Yeah, it's true, it was hot. But Chelle, it's today. It's the 93. For me, it's true. It was true. No, you know what? It's in the 77, but it's true that it's more attached to the 93 and all that. So I can understand. But it remains the 77, you know. And you, you know very well, when they say 77, I imagine, a girl tells me, I'm from the 77, I'll go there. It was too far for me, too far. It was very, very far. I'll tell you something about 77. In fact, the thing is, it's so big, in fact, it's so spread out that we have space. In fact, you have big housing estates, you have big cities, you have big things like that. But it's true that artistically speaking, we're a bit far, we were a bit far. Now, Grand Diglo, you see, he's from our place. You see, he's from... Precisely, all that to ask you. No, seriously, you see, like, La Courneuve, what was it, what you listened to? Like, for example, it was the classic, it was Alibi Montana. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Zone with Zone with K.M.R. Sa 4000. We come to 1000. But no, it was everywhere. Everyone had that on their computer. Okay, at home, you see. At the time of Im with the, the mixtapes, the... Yeah, that's it. But I only knew one single. It was the song that represented La Courneuve. It's the song "Bienvenue". "Bienvenue dans les 4000", "Bienvenue chez les 4000". Yeah, "Bienvenue au 4000". It was even at my place and all. That means I was little. You had to know the song by heart. How was it growing up in the 4000? Honestly, it was good. It was good. There was education, there was observation, there were a lot of things at the same time. And I lived that in a good way. There were really guys there. I was told little stories about Racé. I have guys, I have ears on the street too, you see. Even in Paris, apparently, at the time, there were brothers who were there, like this. You came, you ate chips, you got messed with by your friends. Say that well. After, in my team, I was the only Christian. Tell me. Yeah. Ah, yeah. You see, I was the only Christian. That means I was a bit modest, but I wasn't too modest, you see. I had to eat in front of them, I was hungry, my man. Pose like this, my man. When it was time to eat, everyone ate together, you know. I was a bit, I was annoyed, you see. I didn't feel concerned. It's like, yeah, that's it. Even sometimes there were debates, I wasn't concerned, you see. But they tried to make me concerned and all, you see. They taught me, they sent me messages. Yeah, that's it. They explained a bit. But otherwise, no, I grew up well in the city. On top of that, in reality, you grew up a lot like brothers. Because in the end, you launched 4 with all your guys. So how did it happen? How did it build up a bit? Well, it happened naturally, and it happened at the time of trap. It was with the era of Chicago and all. It already started there. Generation, generation. Yeah, that's it, that's it. But basically, in reality, we, I knew Sharak. After, after XV Barbare and all. But I know it comes from, I did my research, you see. The group things and all, it started there. After, there was the one from PSO, XV Barbare, 13 Block. We heard about it. We had a neighboring housing estate where he rapped. There was a group that rapped. That influenced us to rap. That's how we rapped, you see. That means that in the influences, there was really, there was really the air. Plus, it was when I arrived a bit at Generation and all, 2014, 2015, when there was XV Barbare, PSO, Huit 13 Block too, a bit. Or not? Or yeah, if, if. 13 Block was right next door. That means I used to go to football, there were my guys who listened to 13 Block and all. And after, to know Ashka, there were a few members of the group who already rapped. Ashka and Buska, they were already rappers, really French rap, not trap, or you see. That means they were already rappers at 9, 10 years old, they were already making songs. So I had the codes of trap. I had more the codes of R&B. Ben was in the mode 50 Cent. He introduced me. Everyone had their thing. We weren't a group, we just listened to music. Yeah. And after, naturally, it became that group. That's how it happened. One day, at futsal, boom. Yeah, I rap. He said, rap. I have a question about that, because, well, I suppose you discovered F late, Paris, because you're young, you're a generation. You, you, I don't know if we're talking about ages. Yeah, my age. I was born where? Yeah, no, Wikipedia, it's true, it's true. I admit, I say that, but even I, there's my Wikipedia, there's my age, there's everything. But, so you discovered, well, as you said, 50 Cent and others, you discovered them a bit later. Is it precisely that you had a period where you said, since I'm serious about PEA, I'm going to try to re-study all those things and all, the old ones, the 50 Cent, even French rap? I admit, I was educated a lot. It's more that I was educated by singles, not by projects. Yeah, you see, for example, I don't know how, I don't know how to say it well, "get off", I don't know what. You tried, he tried. How did you communicate with Da? My man, that's a real question for the... It's true, no, it's true, it's true. We understand each other. The Z, but when we understand each other directly, in fact, we want... It's complicated. It's the same things I did the first time I went to the United States. I didn't know what to say. I said, but yeah, no, in reality, it's, I knew the singles, for example, Snoop Dogg, I knew "Window Shopper", all that. And after, you would have said that with the project, you listen to a whole project. That's how I learned. Otherwise, basically, I only knew the singles, you see. On MTV and all, you only watch the clips. It's true, true. You have a lot of brothers and sisters and all that, it helped you a bit? No, yeah, they helped me a lot. They helped me a lot. That means I was curious too. Yeah, you have the ear, you have to enjoy it, and I only listened to that. But in terms of vocalists and all, because, yeah, your voice, that's what starts immediately. Me, at the time, when I started listening a bit to what was being done, I said to myself, but wait, but he's a real Rosa, no, but really, vocally speaking, you send it, really. In fact, it already comes from betting, right? That's it. Really, being a producer, I don't know. It's the right thing. You had to wear it out, you had to aim. But yeah. And so, where did that come from? How did it come to you? Because in fact, you're in a housing estate, there are a lot of rappers, you see. You have, well, Alibi Montana at the time with the tapes that were released and all. You have, you have Ghetto Fab. You're in the 93, but you go into something very sung, in fact. How does that happen? People have to understand that it's really complicated. Plus, well, in reality, when I started, we went to the studio, the first session, and I rapped. First song, we released it, I rapped, and you see on YouTube, there are rankings. Every time, I was second to last. Okay, okay, okay. I was second to last, really. But in fact, I was rapping, I was rapping, I had rapped, I had the basics. Yeah, but I wasn't impactful. I was useless in the group. And right next to it, I was doing crazy stuff. I said to myself, "Go on, I'm doing rap because, go on, I had the budget to put €10 in the studio." But I was, I was rapping like that, you know. I wasn't impactful in the city. I didn't say I was the strongest. By dint of going to the studio, I felt concerned, but I didn't feel too concerned because I was in the mode, "Go on, I'm just a rapper, but I'm not bringing anything more." You see, I'm just one more person in the group. And one day, we do a song, I have to put the, we have to put the autotune. In fact, we're looking for someone who has to put the autotune and all. I said, "Go on, I'll vouch for it, I'll do it, I'll put the autotune." And when I pose, you know, a plus studio. And, but I pose and all. I pose, and I see that there's a vibe. I see that he captures the music, he captures the sound. He says, "There's a crazy vibe." But when you put autotune, everyone says, "It's a bit weird rap." Yeah, you don't rap, you don't represent the street, it's not the ni, you get it or not? That means I do the chorus, and go on, my verse, I do it by rapping. And you know, before, there were the, the concerts, a bit, like the Telethon and all. Yeah, we rap in the city. All the clips are released and all. There's a small impact in the city. Yeah, it's good. And when I rap, when I rap, we all rap, in the group, and all, huh. When it's my part, everyone sings. Ah, that's where it changes. Because in fact, it's like they found you a bit of a guet, but they didn't tell you. You know, your guys, it's good, good, good. They didn't get the autotune and all, you see. Not, we listen to music, we listened to sung music, but not all the way through, you see. It's really, I was, you know, I was in 2015, I was already listening to whisky, I was already a bit into the FIA and all, you see. It's a mix of everything. That means I really wanted to bring that to the group. And when I brought that, it's this added value. It's when we did the concert, it's there that I saw a change. It's there that I saw I brought my touch with the girls, really. The kids from the neighborhood, all that, they enjoyed it. You have to start there, in fact. That's where I saw I had an impact. And that's where I started to say, "Okay, let's put the autotune and all." And in fact, that's where the group said, "Here, you're going to be something amazing." So if I summarize, you did that for the girls? Well, in reality, I know. In fact, we had a buzz, but it was only among guys. Yeah. You said, "I'm going to break through." Among us, who does the thing, you see. There was support. For me, it's a bit bought, but it wasn't impactful. Or the song is playing. The song really played. That's where there was a turning point. That's where they told me, "Go on, when there are the choruses, go, you, go for it." Chaco, that's where we need you. It's heavy. It's towards what? It's towards 2015, is that it? 2016. I really took ownership of that. You had already reached millions of views on YouTube at that time? No, we were at 400, 400,000 views. What was the first one that reached a million? It's a song called "Voit ta vue". Okay. Yeah. "L'une". Everyone has "L'une". It's from there that I really had an impact. And I didn't have this complex of, in fact, I got rid of my complex. Guys, go on, I'm going to, I'm going to bring what I can do. It's autotune. Guys, I can master it, I can handle it. I have my, I have my codes of singing from Congo. I have my codes of R&B and all. I can only bring that. But you know what I think is crazy? It's that by mixing all these codes, yeah, without wanting to, because as you say, it was accidental, between quotes. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. You opened a door for a lot of young people who came after. You, for example, there are guys we hear. There are people who will say, "Ah, that's Chacolais." I don't know if you see what I mean. You see, like, I'm thinking of who, for example? Well, there was, there was a new school. There was Yy. Everyone compared him to Wat, for example. You see, they said, "Yeah, it's a bit in the style." And I find that you, you opened a breach, a small breach, a breach. [ __ ] I'm going to do it. Ah, here I'm going to do it. It's important to talk to you about it. I never developed all that, but it's important. Go on, continue. You know. And you opened a breach without wanting to. So, in fact, there is a style, in fact, Chacolais. Is it the style, the melody? Is it, you see, because when they create a style, they give it a name. That's trap. Ah, that's drill. Ah, that's Jersey. Ah, what is Chacolais' sound? What do we call it? It's the melody. It's real. For real. To know, in fact, in the group, they called me "la mélo" by accident, you see. It's really by accident. Mode, "You, it's the melody." And after, the melody. Yeah, I got it, you see. That's how it is. And maybe by accident, today, that's the musicality. But the melody, everyone does the melody, in reality, you see. There are rappers who do the melody, it's true. And after, in, it's true that there's a style, really. Yeah, that's it. A move was created. For me, it's not even me, my influence. Already before me, there was already a prototype who did that, who, in the BDLM project, in fact, he was already doing that in the area with his group LCH and all. He was already doing v Musa, William Thomas, and all. Yeah, it's true, it's true. He had his impact, but it was really local, you see. Mine was a bit broader, you see. It really opened up, really. And that's where I started to do the melody. That's where I, in fact, it's in development with the group and all. And I didn't even realize it. In fact, I just had my influence from Y, from Econ, and all. That's it. After, I mixed it in a "kiff" mode. I mixed it in a "kiff" mode. I brought it all together, in fact. That's why sometimes you hear, "It's Krey," but there are also "kiff" who enjoy it. But there's also France that enjoys it because I try to really appropriate French, you see. That means I made a mix of everything too. Yeah, really. But if there's Lil, my man, you know. You know why I'm telling you that? You already know why I'm telling you that. Even that, it's the, they grew up well. They get the vibe. He spoke before, even. But by the way, we're going to make a detour here. What did you think of the Super Bowl thing? Detour, just quick. My man, I'm disappointed. My man. Ah, you wanted the lo too? Yeah, respect. Let's go, take all his projects, four times. Even Ty, who breaks through, they have the vision and understanding. Ah, thank you. No, we grew up with the codes. That means we know all the work he's done. You see, unconsciously, he did that for us. Totally. No, it's true, it's true. I don't know if you get it. It's so broad, brother, that he doesn't even know he opened doors for France. In reality, because he had creatures, creatures, creatures, you see. And all. Coming back to Y, after, I developed. There wasn't just music. There's musicality. You know, for example, I didn't say the things about vanilla creatures or anything, but there's the haircut that goes with the style, the pairs of sneakers, the force, all that. I really pushed to find my identity, so that it would be broad. But my identity is all about being authentic, you get it? Yeah, it's true. You have your style, you have your thing. In Octa, in a vibe, that's it. That means in the notebooks, you'll have, you'll have a little one with vanilla sneakers. You have, directly, Chaco. You know, you worked, you thought. Yeah, it's crazy, crazy. Me, me, Lil, I enjoyed it. Why he wore slim jeans. You know, I can't wear slim jeans. Or not. But it's not that I did it, it's crazy. But yeah, but they are special. They are special. You see, they release something, it's, it's different from, from wearing baggy clothes and all, you see. Of course. And that's how I, I appropriated it with the nighttech, the Air Force, all that. The vanilla, inspired by UK culture, or not at all? Still, it came. Yeah, from the drill, 2020, the push-ups and all, it came more. Huh? No, no. It's cool. More the drums and all, but not the musicality, a bit less. Okay. Precisely, speaking of UK, you haven't talked much, I don't think you've talked about the featuring you did with Dave yet. How did it happen? How did you do the thing? Because as we said, you don't speak much English, but in the end, you made a big song. So we get to big songs. Yeah, how did you start working with Dave? Well, in reality, he was at a basketball game. He saw the basketball game. Y State plays all the games, by the way. There was that game. Just before, there was Gazo. And, I don't know, the next day, I wake up, I receive a message from him. He tells me, "Yeah, how are you, and all. Come on, let's connect." In short, yeah. I reply to him. I myself was surprised because, moreover, I was telling my managers and all, "Yeah, if I do a feature, really, internationally, I'm aiming for Dave." You see, I'm aiming for Dave and all, because I like his music and all. And we, we, we talk via WhatsApp, we connect, we connect and all. But how do you talk via WhatsApp now? You know, me, translate, my man. You know. Ask guys to do it for you? No, directly, Google Translate. Ah, yeah. Meaning, sometimes you have to say crazy things too, right? Because Google Translate, sometimes it translates. But in reality, they are, in reality, no, I'm kidding, I'm kidding. But the UK, or even the English speakers, they are open. They understand that, "Go on, speak your language." You got it. Heavy. There are the messages. How did I reply? That means, no, he doesn't know how to speak, but he makes the effort. That's it. That's it. That's really it. He makes the effort. That means we talk, we talk. He tells me, "Go on, I'm in Paris. I'm still in Paris. It would be good if, before we go to the studio, we go eat, we go eat, all that." We go eat. My, beef cut, all that, well, tac. He learns to know me. He tells me, he liked the project "Moo" because "Moo" had just come out. He liked "Saa". After, he told me, his favorite song is "Étincelle". That means he told me, in short, we didn't directly make the science. We stayed connected. And in short, we said, "Go on, let's stay connected." There was a feeling, in fact. It's really that. It happened naturally, in fact. Really. That means, for me, I said to myself, "What? We say that to say that?" Naturally. But it's a trick, he'll ask me for money or something. I don't know how it's going to happen. It's the first time I'm doing a real feature, you see, with a big name. That means naturally, we often talk like that. And I had a concert in London. I had a concert in London. He comes, he tells me, "Go on, I'm going to come, but I'm going to stay in the crowd. I'm going to stay in the crowd." He comes, masked, all that. He watches the concert and all. In fact, when he watched the concert, he analyzed what people liked, you see. That means, but that same night, we had the studio. That's where, that same night, we had, no, the next day, we had the studio. He watches the concert, he likes it, and all. The next day, we go to the studio. He tells me, "My man, what we're going to do is direct." He had the, yeah. He told me, "Yeah." He told me, "When you did that song, it's the song 'Mignon Garçon'. When you did 'Mignon Garçon', everyone stood up." You get it? All that. He told me, "I need you on this. I want you to do harmonies. I want you to feel free. Really, you pose like who you are. You're the same as you are when you do 'Mignon Garçon' solo." You see. Yeah. That means we do it. And in fact, when we do the, when we do the science, I didn't know he produced. And all, you see. Or not? That means he's making drums, he's playing guitar in front of me. I don't know if you want to impress me, you see. Or not? Yeah, yeah. You wanted to impress me, anyway. In fact, even when you listen to it, you think it's simple, but when you know, you look at the credits, you say, "Ah, no, he, he does, he does the production." And all, you say, "In fact, that's where you say, no, he's hot." You see. Or not? He plays the piano in front of me. That means he's creating the production of the song we're doing, in front of WAM. Flex a bit too. Both productions, he did them. Both productions, he realized them. After, he has people who accompany him, but the realization, the basics, he played them. Okay. It's strong. That means we do the song, and I, in fact, the more we do the song, the more I'm surprised. In the mode, in fact, the studio sessions were weird, because in fact, it's not, you see, in the booth, there's a microphone like this, and he poses next to you. H. Yeah, I got it. You get it, not? That means I'm challenged. I have my guys, but I also have all these guys. That means these guys are watching me to see if I'm hot. That means he poses, but when he raps, he raps for the whole 4 minutes. Ah, yeah. You see, or not? He does long verses. You see, he was flexing, he was flexing. And brother, you know, I come from the 3, I come from La Courneuve. A bit, my man. That means I come, I represent, tac. I put my energy. He likes it, he likes it, he likes it. And that's how, in fact, we exchange in the song. That's how there's this, there's this creation in the song. And at the end, we enjoyed it a lot. And brother, at the end, he said, "Come on, let's keep both songs on one EP." It's strong, you see. And I went to Louis, or not? In the end, in fact, I wrote, I said, "This is why I say Vuitton." Ah, okay. In fact, it was misunderstood, but it made a noise. But the day before, in fact, when the song came out, he told me, "Yeah, but in fact, I said, I went." In fact, it's in the mode, it's a message of, yeah, regarding, yeah, you see. I'm in the mode, but why didn't you tell me before? You're bragging on TikTok. No, he says, "I went to Louis." No, he says, "Just." And it makes me, I watch, I say, "But what is he saying?" In reality, after, I say, "But no, since he says it after on social media and all, but I didn't know. I didn't try to approach him and all." And for the exchanges, I took someone with me. He had someone from my team who exchanged, in short, did the exchanges and all. And frankly, even if I didn't speak, there was no border, I got it. But you see, that's what's interesting. And me, that's what I say, because I see, I often see this debate about international features. I mean, BZ, Kenry, French, or even UK, French. I think that some of them don't work because, in fact, there's no feeling there. There's no chemistry. When there's no chemistry, they come, they just take their fee, it's over, you see. And also, maybe because sometimes the universes don't meet. Your universes meet a lot. That's why when I told you, we went to eat, the fact that he told me that is incredibly important. You don't know the person, you get it or not? You learn to know the person. You see what he wants to do. You see where he's going. I know he wanted to reach France. He knew that he also needed me, you see. I need him. Concert, he took the time. After that, not everyone is patient. To do the whole thing, because the others, they're in trouble. They come to Panam, they're fashion week, they don't give a damn. Go on, I'll take 20k, I'll do a feature, 20k, I'll do the feature, I'll leave. Of course. Sometimes, some ask me, "Why don't you do a feature with Gen?" My man, I'll pay him. My man, he'll come for 2 hours. He's, he's fast. Life is fast. Him, you know, it's not like us. Why did you mention Gen? Because I really like Gen. I received messages. Or, or, I want to discuss something. There's something between you, between Lil Baby and Gunna? No, there's a debate. We have a debate in DM. What do you prefer about Gunna that you don't like about Lil Baby? It's Gunna now. It's, oh, he's always hot. No, no, we don't know. We don't know. Sergio, he didn't do that. Sergio, seriously, he didn't do that. Sergio. But have you ever seen him pose a bit on stage and all? Gen? Because what he does on stage, I missed it. I missed it. But I was told he proposes. I propose. I watch the videos and all. I know he proposes. But in reality, musically, I prefer Gunna. Because Gunna, I see him as a Congolese, really. But in the gimmicks and the authentic side, I'm inspired by Lil Baby. Even the way I come, yeah, without meaning to. In fact, in their common project, Gunna will bring the musicality. But when Lil Baby poses in Drip Too Hard, I know it's Gunna who brings the musicality. But Lil Baby is more Jeep. To say that, it really hits you. I felt that when you did "Gasolina" with him. I felt something like that in that. Yeah, if, if. Well, I influenced myself a bit from that. But for example, coming back to RS, RS has crazy musicality. Absolutely. For me, in what we do, he has the most beautiful voice. Aren't you a bit, Gunna, a bit adapted to the French market? In reality, really, you see, there's a bit of that. You see, there's this energy. Frankly, when I listened to "Gasolina", I said, "Frankly, the osmosis, I rarely had it." Especially, even, you see, when I listened to the song, I said, "[ __ ] Who is this guy?" Because I discovered him at that moment, you see. And really, I said, "There's something." How did it happen? How did you start working together? And known outside? Really, his producer is C, is Moder, is big up. You see, he did a lot of work for Moo, or what? We met outside. And in fact, how we met is like, like at the beginning, as I told you, how I started music. It's like, he, in '94 too, he started the same way. Excuse me, just to interrupt you, can you add big up Azou from Montfermeil? Big up Azou from Montfermeil. It's important. It's important. You see, it's, you have to specify that the city, you see, it's. Go on, excuse me. I love my home too much. I love my home too much. I know, I know, I know. Really, really. But in short, I, we met, to come back to it, we met outside. And in fact, it's like, we, there was a relief when we met. You see, because in reality, even him, in reality, with Ken Deb and all, we are several with artists. We come from neighborhoods, from the projects, and all. It's complicated, brother, you get it or not? You have to rap about things, you see. And in fact, it's like, when we met, there was a huge freedom, in the mode, "It's understood directly." And after, we took the time to do things. Because in reality, he had just arrived, he had a hype. I said, "My man, don't move. We're not going to burn ourselves out right away by doing a feature. I don't have a project, you have an EP to do, and all." In fact, we prepared it behind the scenes. And after, the song was released.
He took it, he did what he did, huh? It's you, you know, we didn't even put ourselves in competition, even when there's competition, let's say it's positive competition, it's square, it's like, my guy, if you rise, I rise too, you get it or not? It's motivation, you get it or not? Afterwards, and really, we try to find our own identity. Me, Proto, you see, even if there's influence from both sides, he influences me a lot. Sometimes, when he goes on a next-level part, my guy, I say, "But you're on fire!" These are things I can't do, you see. Ah, you say that, maybe you can, it's just that you're still putting that barrier on yourself. It's really when he goes, he goes, you see, vocally it's hot. But precisely, we're talking about RS, we're going to talk about the last project, BDLM. So, how do you feel about it? How does it compare to the projects you've already released? There's the first album, there's EX, there's the project with Gazo, of course, and now we have this project. How is it? It's a square W, a square, I didn't say that, bro. By the way, I really liked the first track from this project. Ah, that's nice. Ah, yeah, bro. You said something at one point in the project, what did you say? You said that whether I smile or cry, well, I do what I do best: smile when I'm sad. You know, sometimes people ask me why I smile all the time, all that. At home, it's heavy. I find it really makes you look like a villain. Why is that? You get it or not? A bit of a villainous side to me, but I keep it to myself in real life, you see. I don't want to always be smiling, even when I'm angry, I can smile. I'll come and do the Matrix thing, you know, like puffing out my chest. There's a change, everything, I remain as I want, you see. I'm like this, I was born like this, and I'll die like this, you see. Or is it, so from this last project, compared to the others, what does it represent for you? This one represents a lot, it represents a lot of things. It already represents a lot of work that I've done before, you see, and a lot of work that Cheb has done, that Z has done, in fact, everyone, really, you see, that I've been able to do on my side. It's strong, you mention them, the Chebs, the As. It's strong. Yes, it's important because he's one of the first to go solo. I watched how he went solo, I learned from what he did well, I learned from his little mistakes too, maybe things he didn't see that I did. And to go solo, it means even in the group, he was one of the first to be the guy who did the choruses, you see. When he does the prices for the target and all that, to see words, all that. Z is the same over there. It means they feel it, I feel them involved in the project, you see, because in short, even for someone like S, all that, I don't want to say they are avant-garde too, you see, in what they do. In fact, they opened doors for us, you get it or not? That's why I want to involve them in the project, and it's a mix of all that, in fact. Precisely, you took the time to make a mixtape. Yes, it's really a mixtape. Is it because you're younger, did you really grow up in the mixtape culture, you see? Back then, there were sites, dates, things, there were mixtapes, you see, classic mixtapes. I won't name them, there are many mixtapes that came out. They say I'm the king, but you have mixtapes, king? No, because there, I say, I say French mixtapes, I say [Laughs] well-known mixtapes, Carone, well, you know more about mixtapes, a lot. There was a time, but it's true, you corrected me, but it's true that in France, there were mixtapes like that too, classic, you see. Back then, B did the autopsies, cap of crime, yeah, cap of crime, cap of crime. That's where I really knew mixtapes because there was 310, okay, a bit produced by the people from the courtyard, they were excited about the, well, he was in a different vibe too. Yes, that's it. It means even when I was in the street, I send you, he's my favorite. No, he's not the hottest. It means you watched his, a bit like 30. Yeah, if I watched Paris, California, Paris, California, look at my father, look at Gr, sex mag, chorus, look at my father, you know, you know. No, but yeah, yeah, yeah, it's funny, 30, yeah, well, they had a group, square, all that. I forgot, said with, it's Mar, well yes, he's from the Cour Neuf, all that, they're from the Cour Neuf. It means they had their mood, and 30 had really big popularity, signed with Lafine, and even we believed it, let's go, say, let's go, maybe the girl will come to the neighborhood, she'll drop it. It's like every day we were waiting for Cap, Cap. Yeah, I got it, I got it, you get it or not? And so you said you were going to reproduce this mixtape thing and bring it back. It's a dream, in fact, it's like a dream that I realized. And in fact, since I said there's an enthusiasm for me, for what we do, not just for me, for what we do, because in reality, their scope is also wide for other artists, you see. And what I can bring is like I can discover, not just in Ile-de-France, but in greater France. You see, France is big. By doing tours, shows, it's like, my guys, I'm not alone, you see, there are others coming, it's heavy too, you see. And how to do it, that's even how he sees how my team works, you know, it can give them a direction too. It's all that, in fact. In fact, you give them the max, in fact, and also, they give me energy too, because when we're in the studio, bro, there are things I couldn't find anymore, you see. Or not? For example, when I did the song with, we were 40 in the studio, it's something that happened 2 years ago, you see. It means these are energies where I get the guys from below. Yeah, by the way, in the project, you have all sorts of guests. You have really established artists like SDM, with whom you've worked several times already, and you also have artists who are on the rise, Tipe, La Grine, all that. So, the way you work with both is different. How did you make your choice? Are they people you were close to? People you believed in? How did it happen? A little bit. Green is a guy, I saw his talent, you see. I listened to his songs, I said, he has a lot of potential, really. In the project, I said, my guy, do a long verse, my guy. Yeah, pose, go, even if I say it, do a long verse, my guy. Afterwards, BG, you're talking about a big, big verse. Yeah, but no, but it's not, no, but in the scene, in fact, he's a fan of J, you got it. And to say, he's like, wow, brother, until he makes the sign, ah, brother, you saw it, I had to, bro, but you get it or not? No, but we were like you, we were Trixma, over there, I was alone in my room, hey bro, I was so Trixma, I was alone getting dressed, the guys called me Tony Parker, they said, but Wes, what's the connection, brothers? Me, in what way, 2000, in 2007, to you, my room, bro, that doesn't make sense, a million, really, really. Yeah, you have to find a middle ground, like you get it or not? Never the codes, to know, you see, the other artists, all that. I don't know, you know, but you see, I was integrated, I'll listen to your SP, take off your P's, all that, with ALP, Alpha 5, all that, you know, never the codes. Or me too, I was Trixma, I listened to both, French rap, but after, you see, you know, groups like Ghetto Fob, they were, they were really influenced by the Kars back then, huh? A lot, a lot. I watched, that's why I like it, it's a bit cliché, yeah, a lot. Ch de Lo, that's all, yeah, no, a lot, the influence doesn't leave, you see. Huh, there are those who listen, really, they're like French rap, but those who listen to French rap, their taste is also inspired by, I'll tell you the truth, for sure. Before, it was inspired by the M, Jeep, the things, the inspiration that doesn't leave, yeah. And so, SDM, how did it happen with him? SDM for the GPR, BDLM, yeah, well, in reality, SDM and LIMS, for me, they had a common point, it's their versatility, yeah, yeah, you see. And it's like, LIMS, you can learn a lot, we learned a lot from both of us, but you can also learn from SD. He's a guy who likes to help his neighbor, you see. It means I called him, I talked to him, he told me he already knew him, and without a problem, he came and dropped it, you see. And it's a mix of energy, and I think LIMS learned SDM's way of working, he took notes, at least, you see. Or not? That's also what I saw, for example, Jbron, so, dream, I'm going to, it's BR, they have [expletive] voices, these guys, you get it or not? He sings Logan, he introduced me to Logan, it's stupid, the guy, the guy, but you see, I was listening to J Rony, and the first time I listened to his song, I was sitting, he made me listen to his dream, it's strong, yeah, it's strong, I like his song, it means I get the weekend party vibe, next door, and I know he has a vibe a bit like me, it's a bit give, all that. So, guys, come, guys, come, you're going to have a session. They didn't even know each other, you see, but when they started singing together, brother, I immediately said, let's do a common project. He has a side, he has a side, DA, in the mixtape, in reality, you did a bit of the DA too, for, yeah, yeah, honestly, the combinations, yeah, for the combinations, yeah, a lot. Gen Proto, I know they have madness, it means I mixed it directly. RS, Hamza, I know there's a big, big link, it's women, the truth, when it touches the heart, my guy, it's complicated. You now too, with the B man like that, by the way, how did it come about, to do this song and find the title? It's quite crazy in the end, you see. Me, I'll just tell the truth, yeah, when I heard Manom, I said, who is that? Manom, same, where did he get that from? I said, what is it? Is it the Insta model? What is it? The more you have it, I looked it up, I saw it was Mortel's girlfriend, I said, okay, he has to explain to me, what is it, where did he find her? It was like, look, in reality, guys, it's complicated, guys, it's like S said, go, Georges, you're not stupid, you have to, for Georges, it's like he has the vision of something, but he gives strength to, in fact, it's giving strength to the artist too, you see. Or not? I represent France, you see. Or not? And besides, I was with Rifosco, these are guys, these are guys, the fashion street, it means even in the song, we don't say that she, you see, we say, we say Stone. In fact, the song is like a mood, it's really my song. But what were your criteria for selecting her? Her last name was too much, in fact, it's true. Me, I looked at her photo, I'd say her name. No, I'm just asking questions, I just want to know, you know, me, I'm here to inform the people, not, it's really, no, I know, I know, it was really, go, it represents a bastard, I'll put you in generations, you do it, it's a struggle, I'll put you in, no, but don't worry, I'm not, in reality, it was more, really representing France, yeah, the women of France, really, more by going to Fashion Week and all that. I saw that Londoners give a lot of love, you see. Me, I'll go, us, Fashion Week tomorrow, I'll go, CRF, we know who's who, you see, you got it. And in fact, it was really that, that's why I directly said, make way for Fashion Street. It was a link, a guy, the street, in the street, now, they'll know his name, you know, you don't get it, it means it brings something too, fashion people also know it, it means it makes a link, you get it. And precisely, Fashion Week, that's what you were going to say, right? Yeah, Fashion Week, yeah, it's, how did you experience it? Because honestly, we see the videos, there are more and more rappers, and it's something you like, or you're not comfortable there? At first, I wasn't comfortable, because I was like, everyone's wearing cargo pants, all that. Yeah, I said, what? But it's their style, you see, or it's their style. Me, you know, you're shy, it means you want to wear cargo pants, but you're self-conscious, you see, but if I wear this, my audience will be weird, you see. Or not? But in reality, you know, you get it, why you like it, why this, why that. You start to like fashion, you do things. How many shows did you do? Not many. I did Jack Mus, well, I'm late, sorry. Otherwise, no, I did Off-White, I did Off-White. Okay, you see. And in fact, that's where I learned, and then you meet people, you get designers, you get photographers, you get who does what, directors, I know everything, little by little, I got interested, and even in reality, when I know Clean, it's a bit because of that, you see. Or not? It means there are more things where you are educated, in the merch, it teaches you, in the merch, how a t-shirt sells, how it's made. That's what interests me in the end, you see. Or not? But the atmosphere backstage, how is it? Is it a bit pretentious? Is it, my guy, it's like in the TikTok video, when I ask for juice, I ask for juice with the courtyard coming to Fashion Week. Don't ask me for anything more, you see. You invited me, I'll be there, thank you very much, but I'll say no. In fact, I try to stay authentic, and that's how you make a mark, in reality. You have to not change. That's it. I'm not going to come and do the fashion thing, all that, in reality, fashion, already, yeah, that's true. With the atmosphere, the people, and all that, you can say, ah, I'm not comfortable. Besides, I'm a bit reserved, but in reality, you have to try every time. Come on, I say, come with me. He doesn't want to, never, brother. Even for the promotion of Siko, I tell him, come, I have this, I have that, come with me, we have to be seen together, all that. Siko, who says, oh, come on, it's fine. I sit down, I see guys with big jeans walking, hey bro, I say, hey, come, dress up. He says, yeah, okay, I only have montages, I planned it, it's fine, it'll be enough, bro, leave it, too much, bastard. Maybe the way you influence yourself, you also influence people, bro, you have a real fear, besides, a real fear, bro, bro, the brothers, bro, but he doesn't want to accept it, bro, you know. The first time I started coming, people started taking my picture, I see ladies taking pictures, me, you know, I'm like, but I think I have influence, I think so. Pose, like, please. Even the first time I got off, I went back on the plane, I see photographers taking my picture, they're taking pictures, all that. Why are they taking my picture? There was, and all that, I see they're taking my picture, I didn't understand what it was, and then little by little, they explained it to me, and all that. I start to like it. You keep your head on your shoulders because you say, ah no, it's maybe not me, it's maybe G, it's maybe, yeah, that's it. I see, they're shouting more and more, "My brother, my brother," all that. So, guys, it's me, they say it's me. There was something to do, guys, let's go. A deal with Nike, yeah, I'm a, I say Nike, Nike, Nike, Nike, Nike, directly. Nike, not with, not a lot, not a lot. In any case, it's nice to hear. How did it happen, by the way? Did they contact you? What is it, in fact, that attracted them to you? No direct conversation, guys, really. I was this close to Adidas, this close, guys, you see. I'm like, go, and in fact, it's like my team, they still believed in Nike, but I told them, go, go, we're wasting too much time, and in fact, I think the first time they called me for an advertisement, no, huh? Yeah, for the Real, brother, it means they called me for, from below, I have to do something for the Real with Adidas, that's it. And Nike called me for something else, I think it's a commercial, cama, for the Nike pair, yeah, I got it, you see. Or not? But there's no, it's just this deal, it's not like a direct contract, afterwards, but look, I, you know, before, I didn't have the shoes, not the shoes, I don't have the sneakers. When I went to the mall and all that, my dream was to have the Safaris, all that. I admit, I hadn't thought about it, you know, sorry, thank you for everything, thank you for a commercial, you know, I can't say no, you see. It means afterwards, but I stay focused, I always stay focused, I tell myself, go, if they call me, it's not for something I can bring back. My father told me, I say, go, Nike called me, it's a success, or I don't know what. I always stay focused, it means I do the commercial with Cama, the commercial has an impact, the pair sells well, all that. It means we continue, even to always dialogue, to talk together, and all that. We really get to know each other, we have meetings after meetings, and it went well, then a direct signing, it's strong, it's killer, not like that. I think there was Joke at one point who did something, I think it was just a commercial, I don't know if it was for the Vapor Max, I think, yeah, but it's not like I signed to do nothing, I'm really here to serve something, really. What is it? Are you going to do a pair like Nocta? Or is it just, you know, we'll see in the long run? I like glasses, I don't know, you see, I really try to observe and not do something just to say, yeah, I did it and it's over. You're creating your collection, is there something coming out soon, or are you trying to do a lot of merch on your side? Yeah, for me to see my impact, how far I can go, and then we'll see. And then naturally, it will happen. You're going to drop something with the mixtape. Yeah, yeah, there's a surprise, there's a surprise. I already dropped the Brazilian jerseys. Speaking of Brazil, it's, I'm going to do, wait, I'm going to do a transition, I'm going to do a journalistic transition. We crossed paths in Guadeloupe. But it's true, he introduced me to French guys, he does Vocar, I was enjoying myself and all that, it was the strength of the Holding. And precisely, when you came, I remember, you did, you did a kind of mixtape broth on one of your songs, I don't know if it was several songs or one song, you see. Yeah, if, if, you did a mixtape broth, and I have the impression that traveling like that opens your mind to many new sounds and so on. And now you've gone, you've made a song with Brazilian sounds, you went to shoot the clip there. Where does this open-mindedness come from? Is it the travels? Are you testing new sounds, new sounds? I'm very curious, you know already. To come back to the Antilles, my guy, you know, I love Den a lot, my guy. It means Admiral, the, the CR, I say, I have too much of this, it means I have to listen, you see. I have to listen. After, Brazilian songs, there was already Junior Beno, who was doing it, you see. I had kept, we kept an eye on it, all that. I always liked it, I always liked it. And then it came back to my mind to do a Brazilian song on a sample of Kon to Ken, you see. It was really like that, suddenly. But to come back to this, yeah, I'm really curious, I like to listen to what's around, all that, not just really trap and all that, you see. I really try to listen to others and put it into my own vibe. Okay, that's it. I need love in the Antilles, you see. When you do Zouk, you have to say, we do Zouk, because there are many who take the song, they do pop, then they say it's urban pop. No, it's Zouk, you have to say it's Zouk. Respect to Kave, you have to respect the people who did the work, really. Thank you, thank you. Cassav, all the people who come from our place, we listen to them, besides, yeah, wow, among the Congolese too, you know, it's crazy. I was in Cameroon, I saw, they listen a lot. Cassav, I didn't realize they were so well-known in Africa. They did tours, they even went to Kinshasa back then. They were also influences, Cassav, weren't they? Cassav, naturally, of course. Well, that's it, it spread everywhere, all the, yeah, everyone was inspired by Kassav. Ah, you know, the extended family is entirely, wait, attention, on my side, you don't know me, but bro, okay, so your extended family is entirely, okay, I'm learning things, okay. No, but in reality, no, I, after, I switched more to Den, everything that is vibes, cartel, that's what I asked. What did you think of his release from prison? His physical transformation? But I think he's sick, Muskine, yeah, I think he's sick, they're injecting him, no, they're injecting him, no. Honestly, I don't know too much what's wrong with him, yeah, bro, his face, I don't know, I haven't talked too much, but but no, bro, legend, FAL, I tell you, ah, yeah, you really got into it, I know, in the afternoons, after that, ah, the afternoons, you knew the afternoons? Yeah, they finished, they finished, they listen a bit to compa, to compa. I'm a bit, I'm not, I'm not strong, I'm not strong in this thing, I only know us talking about it, and yeah, otherwise, I don't have my classics in compa and in Zouk. Zouk is okay, yeah, it's okay, it's okay. I wanted to talk to you also a little bit about, well, your departure from Wati B, now you've taken a little, why are you laughing? You're laughing, now you've taken flight. Yeah, clearly, now you're the first signing of Atlantic Records in France, bro, it's crazy. Atlantic Records, formerly, it was Kodak Black, NBA YoungBoy, today it's Burna Boy. Over there, it's Cardi B, and you're the first French artist. Yeah, how does it feel to be, well, directly at Atlantic, and also, there's another thing, people say you're independent. How can you explain a bit to people about the improved distribution? Improved distribution, yeah, but it's, yeah, let's say it's independent too, actually. Yeah, well, clearly. After, it makes me, in fact, I haven't realized it, I haven't had the time, I haven't had the moment to realize it, because I had to work directly, you see. I had to release my EPX directly. In fact, I immediately got to work, because there's no time to celebrate all that, brother, you get it or not? It means you have to feel ready. Now I'm releasing a big project, and my guys, I have to assume it, you see. Or not? No time to celebrate, to say, yeah, no, I'm at Atlantic Records with champagne, all that, my guy, I don't even have time, my guy, you get it. You have to get back to work directly. You don't drink, do you? You say champagne. No, my guy, you know, but go, you know, guy, you know, worse for me, my guy, your health, your health. Ah, well seen, well placed. But precisely, since you're leaving a position as an artist to become a, yeah, what's the difference in terms of work? Because now you have to, I think you have your team, I know you have your team, but you find yourself working differently. Of course, because when you're an artist, you make music, you deliver, yeah, you don't look at the revenue, you don't look at, yeah, you don't look at what you lose, what you gain. You have appointments, in fact, it's even the appointments to go see your lawyers, all that, it's, it's a lot of energy, you know. When I'm an artist, I wake up at 3 PM, I go to the studio at 9 PM, go, I deliver the project, go, we make sure, even if I work even harder, you see, I worked even harder, I felt more than an artist. Yeah, but now it's even more, it's three times more, because now you say, even your team, you see. Or not? And with the team, we call each other, so that it's square, so that we're good, something, we'll make mistakes, I know we'll make mistakes, normal. You're never 100% ready, but it's more that, in fact, it's more this way of working that I saw, that I had to do at least 30 times more, four times more, in reality. Well, now you're an entrepreneur, in reality. Yeah, that's it, that's it. It's more about entrepreneurship than my fusion with Dawa, which was good, is that I really explained my artistic direction to him, and it wasn't lost, yeah, you see. Or not? You might think that he's going solo, he's going to do pop, or I don't know what. I really explained my direction, you see, my direction is this, you see, there's an enthusiasm for this, and I get it, he's a guy who gets it directly, not. And Atlantic Records, precisely, why them? How did it happen? Did they offer it to you? Because in reality, it reminds us a bit of Gazo with EP a few years ago, you see. How did it happen, and why did they come looking for you? Because you're talented and all that, but how, how did it happen? We talk like that. Me, at first, we weren't in comfort, we were in security. You're not going to take the risk of going to Warner, to Atlantic. Yeah, we don't know how it's going to happen, but I told myself, what, with my team, to challenge ourselves well and to be even stronger. I think it was better that we went there, you see. That's how I thought, that's how we thought globally. We have to be even stronger. It's a new challenge, in fact. Yeah, and it's like, in short, if City was bought, they have to win the Champions League, or you, yeah, that's how I thought, and go, let's go directly. I don't know, I wasn't, I'm not a professional football player, but now I'm a pro in rap, bro, it's my dream, bro. Well, now, also good in football, usually, they also give the sums, how much, Intel was signed for how much. Intel, ba, ah, yeah, ah, Congolese, it's Intel, the sums, are they public or not? My guy, I'm very discreet, really, but you're right, no, you saw a guy who, a guy who's not in the codes of that, brother, I would have told you, well, that's all, if I had really come with a big bag, all that, brother, I signed for that, my guy, you got it, but I'm not focused on that, you see. Or not? You're focused, you're not even a question of, you can be focused while being visible, you see. G, who is it? But he's focused, you see. Or not? But it's just that I'm not like that, you see. Or not? It means I'm a bit more, but what makes it, it's education, what is it? It's parental education, it means you have to have one like my mother. For example, I put something on the internet, she says, remove that, stop getting angry on the internet, stop your nonsense. It's even where we grew up, you see. In short, we all know the same bag of chips, my guy, you get it or not? We have to be, not like, in fact, we were like that among ourselves, in our generation, we were very like that, you get it or not? So I've always been. And so, on your mother's side, because we often see your mother with you and all that, how is the family relationship? How do they experience you being so exposed like this? Already, it's good. I'm always the last one, always my whims, the last entrepreneur, all that. I know the family, I'm always the last one, you see. Or not? But also, what's good is that they understand my situation, it means they adapt to me. When I say adapt to me, yeah, maybe it's me who takes more responsibility, or but I'm always the last one. I don't know if I ever disrespected them or anything, you see. The thing is, my parents are my parents, I know my older brothers and sisters are my older sisters, but I always want to talk in a way that it's better we do it like this, it's better we go in these directions like this, and that's why we always have this relationship. It's always important because I can be like, you take a big lead, matrix, I'm the leader of the family and all that, you see. Or not? But so, the codes of assistance are on your mother's side. Okay, I see. So you had the occasion to meet them a bit and all that? Yeah, if, if, I met them at Chezzy's in Paris, a tribute to my cousin who passed away in Luci, who passed away in 2004, and all that. But no, I knew them in Paris, a lot. Okay, it was heavy, you know, ball, it was, that's the praise, really. Yeah, no, but listen, listen, let's go, but precisely, I think it's time. Yeah, yeah, go, we wanted to surprise you a little with people, things, yeah, people who will interpret songs from back then, GOs and all that, and see a little if it reminds you of memories, if you can talk about it a bit, all that. No, go, let's do it. Oh, oh, wow, that's going to be, me, me, you have to explain to me, he's shouting, me, I, ah, yeah, I didn't see it. How's it going, guys? What are the guys? [Music] [Music] for [Music] Hallelujah [Music] Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah [Music] Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah [Music] Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah [Music] Thank you, thank you, thank you. Wow, no, really, that's it. Weddings and all that, when all that, even when you know at home, Sundays, you have to.
To have C of his there there yeah it's a it's theador does the cleaning yeah that's it you know in addition you have to tidy the room in addition you don't tidy you CAP or not but it's crazy because you saw I'm not Congolese I'm Antier but I really realize there are similarities in the in in in the culture you see we have other dances of his sound big drum and all bet sorry it's it's crazy that in fact I already felt the love of the guitar all that there is a lot of love in the guitars and all there is a lot of things where a coherence between you feel through emotions the heart it you see it yeah there's something there's something strong you see emotionally by yeah no it was crazy and and I saw that they asked you to participate in what when you do your projects have you ever said to yourself hey I'm going to bring a little bit always when I do harmonies if you see me doing harmonies it's the influence of the Congo direct it's the influence of the hood direct it didn't make me my harmonies it really comes from the hood you see not it impacts me more than harmonies of brand name and all because in fact the way we take it is very different you see not the way to take the harmony at the end of the sentence it's it's incredible it touches directly you have to know how to do it there are some who know how to do it too but you have to know how to do it but how did you work all that there is it something you did yourself is it no I watched a lot my your singing and my mother also sang because in fact when my mother sang but also sang that means yeah my mother loved singing my mother means even when you go to church you know all the beautiful singing in number in fact you hear the women singing and when the men take a harmony it seems strange to you but it's the same it's the same timbres and all in fact it's you hear you hear several voices it hits you like that because your mother will be happy will see look a c what they say yeah you speak in octaves in things all that it's codes that I understand directly ah but that's that's things that I don't lose I don't really know the names of that but I don't lose because I don't lose yeah I was really educated by that of crazy no it's killer it's killer no it's nice well I think we've pretty much covered it is there anything you'd like to come back to a little bit or yeah me maybe one last thing huh yeah he'll say one last thing you well he made a song in tribute to the project it's called co but it's not the same it's not the same what's up bro shoot at the shoot but it's us it's ckoo you it's siko how do we do how do we do now look we found so explain to us the story of this feat these are I was inspired by baby boy ok B and Jodi you know me you know ah yeah baby boy no V g but I have a bad experience with Baby Boy I was too inspired when I was young what boy I was inspired by the main character you see when I was young I was too inspired he had a bad influence on me because he had a kid before having a kid we'll talk about it in another episode we'll talk about it another episode yes we'll talk about it one day I had a child at 20 that wasn't mine it's okay everyone knows now we know we are full Congolese it's g attention I just want to say that neither Congolese nor Antier we don't cheat yeah I never I never I never saw a Congolese with fragility it's true why are you kidding we won't seem credible no in truth I had this idea in truth I went to London I went to London I worked with the whisky team and all I often worked with them in fact they produced for me and in fact and I often watched this movie this movie marked me a lot all that in fact it inspired me a lot and I said to myself go if I talk about this I know that go despite the craze with Ronis or whatever I tell myself it can bring him a touch already it's the production already the musicality that spoke to me and naturally I was inspired by that and then I called him and that's how it happened after you have a good chemistry you two yeah exactly a good chemistry you're a pain yeah what did I say I I talk music big because true you see when you tell me that I think directly of the comments what are the comments what are the comments what are the comments two artists collaborate I don't see what you're talking about you know me neither we're the same age yeah you know we've been together once twice three times we'll do a song that means go you know us direct affiliation you know you know the real ones like musically like what it's more than musically ah ok ok I had never heard that me me [Music] anymore you speak seriously that means already that we're talking about this yeah I'm not embarrassed but it makes me laugh when I laugh things it just makes me laugh guys big up to ronisia by the way she's invited to come on no but honestly for this one it's a big big song that I love a lot almost it's in my top 3 of the project you get it or not like the theme all that the way we laid it all that honestly I loved it a lot and the energy I think it brings freshness from her side and from my side you see and that's what I loved a lot and honestly we did it we did it well well you just opened siko you're the first so thank you very much thank you brother thank you and it was as we wanted everything happened as we wanted very natural a rapper or is he not a rapper guys he's a singer of what of what of what singer he's a singer yes he also raps he rapped at first at our time we said he was a rapper yeah but it's true that he sings because today when you listen to loctop or yeah the refinon yeah after he also raps in it in truth it's a bit it's your ancestors a bit you got it he opened the door to tpain to things he was signed with him he was signed with him these are artists a bit hybrid in truth yeah yeah very strong very strong thank you you answered the question you had your interview was that it was about knowing if you listen because in fact since I he has a huge influence today there are many debates about what we do is it rap is it not rap one day you know one day there's a debate you say I do this yeah because you know what honestly like this they can no longer say hey you know what hey Bou you said it's true in truth the thing is that often you have French people there's no problem with that they like kry drill plug things and all they come with it in France they say ah we do this we do this we do this there are all these codes you buddy with you guys you created a thing and it's French in fact so in fact you can put the name the codes create the thing because in fact musically anyway you already exist yeah no it's not something that bothers me it's not something that bothers me like I wake up no go I'm self-conscious because you say I'm not a rapper all that songs are not rap songs for example the song is ko it's not a rap song you see you get it that means it's not things that impact me a lot it's more I let people talk one day when I want to talk I'll explain all that but it's more their to educate them like there were people long before me you see not things even in French rap many people who made projects like this it's just today it's popular or not that's it yeah by the way you came with artists a bit from the project there artists present on the project who are doing heavy who are preparing heavy yeah come brothers a bit s boy Saro who is here what there sit down go sit down present on the track Cabrel featuring me and present on the feat with nov and RN boy they are here ok so RN boy so that means rather RnB all that how did it happen how did the connection happen is you know them it happens how I know Saro he's known Instagram yeah and RB how Instagram too huh Instagram I loved the vibe in truth he was releasing music you know me I'm curious as I told you earlier stumbled upon it by chance yeah that's it there was something there was a grain of crazy I loved it a lot are you already in da there no not even after he already had his momentum on his side you project you discovered little gems all that yeah that's it well they are big gems in the making me you know after their career my man they will create their audience and all you know their way on their side in any case it's very very heavy what they offer not if you want to say goodbye like that on the connection with Chaco the song take the mic it's Free it's Free yeah it was nasty anyway he invited me he told me directly that there was no and all that means as soon as he told me there was no I knew it would be nasty already yeah he's someone you listened to no yeah yeah strong strong strong crazy I already listened to it that means as soon as he told me Chaco RN boy n I remember when he told me that I was at football he called me I said weshing Chaco n r boy I said ah yeah say it's going to be hot that means we went to the studio directly fluid it was square after it's the song it's him who did his RAL huh ok ok it's him who did the real it's him who started his productions and all it's strong and you it's the same the same vibe a bit well me totally me totally when he connected with me and all in fact at first I didn't believe it because he's someone I've been listening to for a long time it doesn't move family since the beginning and all he connected with me honestly at the studio it was nasty h the nasty ones honestly it will say and you are from where you are from 77 yeah me I have a Bagnolet Bagnolet ok ok how yeah that's it I I understood directly there's a 93 touch in there I understood directly I understood it's heavy we can't wait to hear all that there it's nice we like the fact that there's always this cultural thing where you go look for artists in the making with great potential like that we can't wait to see what it will become well I think people are already discovering it that's it that's it totally discovering it there there there there it's a journalistic technique because you know we film before so therefore you have to say ah yes yes they are listening to it now the project is online everywhere gr no available on all platforms well that's cool huh thank you guys thank you for stopping by it's heavy no it's heavy it's super nice go ahead team thank you see no hot don't forget to like comment share and yeah and activate the bell e the episodes there if you're not ready it's going to be very long it's going to be crazy conversations with crazy guests me and Balou we're going to fight a bit too anyway thank you B strong B strong it's for the culture guys for alou thank you in any case thank you very much we won't eat they have grown up in the h they haven't grown up in the Moné I wanted to sing nothing happened I'm always strong love in passion that danger but I'm not in my life it's I I must do I must go back I must sing I must change I must sing [Music]