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[Music] You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. We've got a very special episode. I've been wanting to get, um, well, I've been wanting to get Keanu Reeves on the show for a long time. I worked with him a long time ago. I love him. Who doesn't love Keanu Reeves? But what's awesome is I met two guys, one of which I had met a long time ago, uh, Brett and Rob, who are in this band, Dogstar. With Koo. And I enjoyed it immensely. You know, at first, I was just like, I just want Keanu on the show. I want Keanu on the show. And they're like, "Well, hey, you know, Dogstar would like to be on." And there's this band that I listened to, you know, in the '90s, and then they had broken up, and then these guys got back together. And there's so many great stories. And, you know, we get into the mental health aspect, and it's really fun and insightful. And I, I fell in love with the other two guys. I mean, I was already in love with Keanu. I had a great time. Bryce, I truly had a, a great time. And I think it comes across. Um, and, you know, it's also good, it's their, their music. I like their music. It's, it's not like I'm sitting there going, "Oh gosh, here we go. I got to, you know, if it was metal stuff, you know, real hard metal, I'd be like, 'Oh yeah, the metal. I wouldn't know what to say.'" But it was music. You get into some of the songs off their new album, "Somewhere Between the Power Lines and Palm Trees." Maybe the flip of it. Yeah. So if you haven't listened to that before, you listen to this, check that out because they get into some of the songs. Yeah. Follow us at insideofyoupodcast on Instagram and Facebook, insideyoupod on Twitter. You could watch on YouTube. Write a review if you liked it. It certainly helps the podcast. And if you want to join Patreon to support the podcast, we could use your help. patreon.com/insideyou. Let you know if you go to my Instagram at the Michael Rosenbaum link tree. Cameo. U, my live podcast with Krysten Ritter is coming up January 24th. Get tickets at the Regent Theater. Kristen Ritter, um, Breaking Bad, The B in Apartment 23, Jessica Jones, Jessica Jones, just tons of stuff. Great actress, great friend of mine. And also our, uh, our Inside of You online store, which you can get tons of cool merch, Lexi scripts, tons of Smallville stuff, and cool tumblers and whatnot. And, uh, yeah, Bryce, it's good to have you here. Anything else?
No, just, uh, this is the final episode of the year. And then, final episode of the year? Is it really? Uh-huh. We did it. Yep. Final episode. But let me tell you something, next episode, next episode's a big one. There's a lot of big ones coming up. Subscribe. Uh, enjoy. Have a wonderful holiday. Um, be good to yourself. And let's get into this podcast. Let's get inside of Dogstar. It's my point of view. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum.
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Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. This isn't your man cave. No, this is, this is the, the podcast room. I'm, I have an affinity for horror movie, uh, movies. And, um, so it's, you know, I always ask guests like, "Do you have anything signed or any memorabilia?" And the answer usually is no. So I'm guessing, Keanu, you don't have any?
Not really. I got a couple of things. Well, I mean, I see you have a poster of Dracula, and he signed it. Gary signed it. Amazing. Oh, that's not blood. I have a scar. Crossed oceans of time to find you. Find you. That's good. So remarkable. I mean, it's so, I gave Francis Ford Coppola once for his birthday some mushrooms.
What? And then, uh, yeah. Yes, this is great. While we were doing Dracula. Wait, before you. He directed it or after? No, no. I think it was, it was a, I, I know it was during. It was, I heard it was his birthday and I happened to have an eighth of some mushrooms, and so I gave them to him.
And how did he react? He took them. I don't want to. He had a very nice birthday. Wow. He said, he said he enjoyed them. That's why Roman directed the first five minutes. I think. No, Roman was doing all the experimental, not experimental, but "Dad, I got this. Just go over there." And wow. You gave mushrooms to one of the biggest directors of all time. I heard that Gary Oldman didn't get along, by the way, with with him.
No, no. They got along. Did they? They did. So after he did the mushrooms, he did the Apocalypse Recut. He did, he did the Red. He's like, "Wait a minute." Well, no, somebody went up to. Much. They were interviewing him. I remember I had the laser disc, and they said to him, "Hey, uh, what's your relationship like with Francis Ford Coppola?" He was like, "When you're dealing with, in a relationship like this, you know, in a business like this, you've got to have a great ego. And Francis Ford Coppola has an ego the size of San Francisco, and I've got a pretty big one too." I was like, "Yeah, yeah." So it's like two egos. But they're probably, they're two. Let's not call them egos. I mean, they're great, profound artists. That's right. True. That was a good sit-in. Nancy, you almost had it. If it was, yeah. I felt like that was a good sit. I love that movie. Yeah. Everything Gary does, Gary's the best. Is the best. But this isn't about Gary Oldman. This is about Dogstar. This is a long time coming. I've been playing. When you walked in, I was a little embarrassed because I didn't mean to have your music playing around my house. You were going to do an interview. So we appreciate you taking the time to listen to the work that we've created. Back in the day, you guys toured with David Bowie.
Well, we didn't tour. We had a show. Well, a show. But you toured with Bon Jovi. Yeah, in, in Australia and New Zealand. And I, I keep thinking, how did you not just want to like, were you crawling out of your skin with nerves? Like, how, how do you do that? How do you open for John Bon Jovi?
Well, when you open for John Bon Jovi and you're Dogstar, you go on when it's still light out, and it's the, the afternoon, and it's you and a handful of people in the sunshine. Couple, mostly vendors, and some vendors walking around. So, you know, it's kind of chill. You're down, you're kind of like the third, you know, you're the opener before the opener. But they were great to us, and it was a great experience. But yeah, we played in front of a handful of people. I mean, nerves are good. It's, nerves are different than, um, like fear. That's different. Nerves are more like excitement. And, well, my nerves are fear.
Okay, that's different. My, my nerves are fear too. Brett, what are your nerves? I just pretended there was no cameras there. A version of like everyone's naked. My nerves are excitement usually, unless I don't know the song. I'm not kidding. Mine are usually based. I had this conversation with my psychiatrist before I interviewed you guys, and I was like, "My, when I get nervous, goes, 'Well, it's good. Everybody has nerves. It's, this is.'" I go, "No, no. I, I need something for this because it can be crippling sometimes. Sometimes it's, and it's all fear. It's all fear-based. Failure. Looking like an idiot."
But do you find, um, like an acting, like if you're really prepared, like you still get the nerves, but it's, it's a different kind of nerve because it's like you, you feel good. If you, I feel like if you're not prepared, then it becomes a whole another set of nerves. It's a nerve of like, "Oh, I didn't prepare enough." And then I'm afraid of that more so than like, "Oh, I'm just nervous 'cause there's all these people." I'm on Jimmy Kimmel, which, which I think is smart. I think if you're not nervous, you're dead. Almost. You're not alive. Like, it's just electricity. So the thing is, how you channel those, right? And I think being with these two guys helps me. Helps a lot because they can be calming too, you know, just being with these two guys.
So really, you guys are that calming? Because right now, I feel. They help me a lot. Well, I sense like this. No, Rob's the calming one. Is he really? Yeah. Why? Why is Rob calming? He's like, "Hey man, you know, just play the song. Play the show. Just focus on the song."
Well, what are you saying before he says that? Are you saying, "I'm like, 'Oh, what the [ __ ] am I going to [ __ ] fail?' And what the [ __ ] is all wrong? And I don't know what if I don't remember? And oh my gosh." And like, yeah, even when I'm prepared, I get nerves. But he's like, "Man, just play the song." Yeah. What the [ __ ] man? I guess that's just wisdom, Rob. Not me. Yeah, Rob. Not Brett. You don't get nervous for often, do you?
I do. I do. And you're singing now. I get nervous when the, when there's a newer song that I don't have locked in yet, and we're going to go perform it, and I'm like, "Maybe I got the lyrics, maybe I don't. Here we go. We'll see." So that, that part is nerve-wracking. But yeah, when you're well-rehearsed, then you get to focus more on like the audience and the other band members and have fun with it. Yeah. So ideally, we're well-rehearsed, and the nerves are minimum. I just want to know how you could be so successful being fear-based. Like your nerves are fear. Like, I, I mean, that's just. But it's gotten you through it. You've gotten through it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah. I mean, yeah. I wish I could be other people where it wasn't fear. I wish I could do that. But maybe that's just how we're wired. I mean, we're talking about degrees too, right? There's, you know, more you're sometimes more nervous. It's not necessarily catastrophic nervosity, right? Every time. It's, you know.
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It's also when you're on the road, I find there's so much going on. And there's like, the morning is the routine. And then if you get hit up with something like a Jimmy Kimmel when you're out in the middle of the road, you have less time to be nervous. Like, sometimes time can be your enemy. Or, or just being having too much of that weird sort of down. I think a lot of actors will say, like, sitting in the trailer too long. It's like, and then they call for you like, "Now." And like, "Well, wait a minute. You know, I've been here for four hours." And then, but we want it now, right? And that, I think it's, it's when you're on the road with this, with these guys, I feel like you get into this like rhythm, and you don't have time for that. You are calming on this particular. You are [ __ ] calming. It's his voice and the way he just is. There's some kind of, uh, optimistic feeling you get when when you're just talking. It's like, "Everything's going to be all right."
Do you feel, Brett? You don't always agree with that. He's like, "Well, you know, he could, you know, sure, you guys bang heads. I just sit back and let it be." Um, no, it's, I agree with Rob in the sense that, yeah, if you, if you overthink it, then that's where the wheels come off. So I think like yesterday, we did, we did a rehearsal, and it was great. And then we, we recorded a pass, and it was, "Oh, cool." And then you guys want to do it again, and then it's like, "Oh, okay. Now we're thinking." And then we sucked. Yeah. So I was like, "Oh, let's just use that first one." Because why did we even do the second one? We're thinking, right? I mean, I think we're in our head. And going, absolutely thinking too. But when you just come out and bang, done, and it's like, okay. And that becomes a little more second nature, right? Yeah. Second. You start getting cerebral, then it's like, look out. Yeah, I get it.
Well, enough about nerves. We can get into nerves at another time. But, you know, I, I start thinking about, you guys were together, well, you know, for how long? For 20 something years before you stopped? Yeah. 10, maybe. Yeah, around 10 years. And then what was it? Was there an event? Was there something that sparked, "Hey, let's do this again in our 50s or whatever?" Because, you know, it's, it's, it's like, what was it? Some sort of excitement? Something like, "Hey, we have more to do here?"
No, but eventually, yes. I mean, was, but yes, maybe. I don't know. I can't speak for. I don't know. I mean, I know that we love playing. And we, and all the, within those years, we did get together and in, you know, my home and and play in the in the studios, you know, right? Keanu's had a rig there that never left. I mean, it just, it was just always there. So, and, um, so we did get together. We got together. I look back and, you know, videos and stuff, there's like 2011. I see that we were there. And, you know, you know, your iPhone has dates. I'm like, "Oh, [ __ ] we were there in 2011." And then certain times, 2015. So we did sort of bump in and get together. But I guess we made a conscious decision to try to do something, um, sort of right around after the pandemic. There we were up at, up at the Matrix premiere in San Francisco. And we, as Brett was saying, we had a conversation about gear or something, and we kind of nerded out about that. And we just, I don't know, the timing just sort of came together. And we just, we got together and played, and it just sounded good. Let's give it a try. Yeah. Yeah. I, I guess so. It's like, I guess you don't know what you're getting into until you just get into it. Yeah. And Brett was living in San Francisco at the time, so he came down. And me and, um, I think it was great to sort of, it was sort of like, you know, that Beatles movie, "A Hard Day's Night" or "Help!" Where they're all like sleeping in that living room and those beds, like sunken beds. It kind of felt like that. You know, we get up and have breakfast together, and then Keanu would come over, spend eight hours. And we, we kind of did camp. It was like camp, right? And then, I don't know how it happened, but we came up with 12 songs. I honestly.
And how long? 10 minutes? No. How long? That we had more than 12 songs, right? 15, I think. But how long was that? Couple, two weeks or three weeks? Um, probably, if you're looking about talking about days spent, probably what, 21 days overall? Jesus. Three different sessions of, "Look how prolific." Eight days gone for a month, come back another eight days, kind of thing. And what do you send voice memos to each other? You have an idea for a song, you want, you guys send it?
No, it was all done in the same room. Candy grams. We sent each. Candy. There was nothing really other than, you know, can a bass riff or something he would bring that in. But there was really no, no writing done singularly, I don't think, on this one. It was just kind of, "I have this idea," or, you know, Rob would just start playing a beat, and then we just look at each other and go. We recorded everything. So we got lucky. We caught every, every little moment, every, the entire session. Yeah. Everything we did. We record. Whenever we liked something, we like when we were onto something. Oh, go. It's like, that's a lot of hours to go through.
No, no. Who's the one out of the three of you that usually doesn't like stuff as much as the others? Who's more critical?
Probably Rob. Rob. Yeah. And what will he kind of [ __ ] foot around it? Does he kind of go like, "Yeah, he sits in his throne and he looks down with his good judgment and says, 'That is not what you should be doing. I don't like that. I don't buy it at all. I don't think you guys are screwing up whatever you good you started to work on.'" Definitely the, the keel of the of the boat right there. Yeah. We're sometimes we get like note nerds and we're like, "Oh, play the A over the E." "Oh, wait, let me try the F sharp over your D." Rob's like, "What are you doing? You're wrecking this song. Leave it alone. It was good before you guys. It was good before." So yeah, but we wouldn't try this. He's like, "No, just don't like." Yeah. You know, it's been around for thousands of years. Thomson nursery rhymes. Yes. You know, I think I, you these guys are so talented. And they do that. They'll play different notes and tunings and things over things. And sometimes it works. It usually it works great. And, um, and having Brett in the band, it's almost like two guitar players. It sounds to me like sometimes I close my eyes, I'm, and I'm, because plays in stereo. Yeah. And I feel like, "Who's the other guitar player?" And I look up, "Oh, it's just one guy." And I noticed that in the Kimmel last night, the production of that, and the way the spread was, and and even when Keanu, the bass sounded so good, and it just sounded more, it sounded so good. And it's a tribute to these guys because they, uh, you know, they just, they have the right gear. They're really, they really into the sonics of it all. And I think that's kept us a three-piece. You know, we tried to play with other musicians, and we have. And even when we did the Greek Theater thing with these other musicians, and it was lovely and everything, but there was something about being in a three-piece that's really satisfying. You know.
Did you think that when you guys took that sort of hiatus, even though you were kind of playing here and there together, did you think that, well, by yourself, did you? I know you learned harmonica, right? No, a little bit. Yeah. I don't. You play it live. Yeah. So that's that would be. Yeah. Well, that's more than a little bit. Yeah. But like, did you guys, were you, Keanu, were you, uh, playing bass by yourself to just songs and [ __ ] like the time?
Yeah, I have a bass hanging around, so I like doing little ditties. Do you like doing it in front of people or just by yourself? Um, that's why. Are you so jaded? This is called Inside of You. I like doing some. I was being. Do you like, uh, doing it in the. Do you play your bass by yourself? Do you go to the mall? Sherman Oaks or Beverly Center? What do you usually wear when you play bass by yourself? Well, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, I play guitar with myself for nobody. Yeah. No, I'm often times it's nobody. I play alone.
And do you guys feel, this is a question for three, because I, as a musician, I, what do you get from it? Do you feel like there's a, there's purpose in playing music, or is it just a passion, or something you just love? Like, what is it exactly? Rob, start. I want, I want to hear it.
I mean, I play a lot of piano, so it's hard to play drums by herself for more than like 30 minutes, and it gets a little weird, you know? You just, you just want the other guys with in the room, you know? So I'll move to the piano, that I can do forever. And it's like healing, you know? It's just, it's just healing. The tones and just, it makes you feel good. Mean, music, listening to it, playing it. Yeah. It's the same. People that don't play and they listen, it's the same thing. Being a musician, it's a little bit different, but I think it's the same tone, you know? Just that it just makes you feel filled up, you know?
Brad, use my mic. Yeah. Feel Jesus. He's my bass. Yeah. I think it's just that one of those few things in the world that allows you to shut the world out, you know? It's, for me, at least, it's, you know, when you're playing a three-minute song or whatever it is, or sometimes just listening to music, but when you're playing, I don't know if it's because you're using your brain, focusing on the guitar and the singing or whatever it is, but the world as you know it just goes away. You're not thinking about anything else, you know? Even if sometimes if you're sick or whatever, you can still play and have that couple minutes where nothing exists except the feeling, like Rob said, of that. You know, I agree. So it's really, it's really fun. And then the song's over, and then you're like, "Let's start another one."
Quick. Do you ever play, play while you're playing, like you're playing a song, just say you're by yourself, and then all of a sudden you're listening to what yourself? Soon, but you don't want to be taken away from it to distract you, but yet the act of just listening to what you're doing can sort of make you go into a different mode or something? Oh, you know, it's not like, "Oh, I'm, I'm, you know, just the tones of the guitar." Does that ever distract you?
I have a problem where I'm playing, and all of a sudden I'm like, "Oh, this is good," and then I [ __ ] it up completely. You become a fan. Stop thinking it's good. Just, just keep being. Yeah. How do you do that? I don't know. Like, do you ever happen in when you know you have like a, they call it like a happening? When something? Oh, yeah. Very rare. No, it is. You know what I'm talking about? When you actually feel like it's not planned, it's just, "Oh my God, God." But if that happened all the time, I'd be Hopkins, right? You know? So it's something that I, I wish happened all the time. But when it does happen, it's like, "Oh man, this is cool." And, you know, it's sort of ephemeral, you know? It's, it is what it is. Those are the moments. I think those the moment it happens in music too. And, and I know, I think in acting, maybe it's like, you know, improvisation or something. But I'm not talking about jazz or anything. But it does, to me, it happens in music. For me, maybe it's easier because I'm listening and sitting. And like, sometimes I'll get carried away listening to like something like "Glimmer" like Brett sings that, even "Dylan Street" because the lyrics and it gets me a little sad. I listen to that. I sort of get taken away. I'm like, you said, like, "Oh, [ __ ]" or Brett said, "Don't go off the train." Right? Especially when you're playing for people. Like, you can do that if you get into. You don't almost want to be more robot.
How do you stay that fine line? Like, I got to be pro, but then I, but I want to have it happening, but then I don't want to go off the train and like go off into some. I think it just can. What do you think? Does it take you away from like everything else?
Um, certainly, yeah. Uh, so much about music. Yeah. Love being transported listening to music. Um, and I love writing songs. I love the creative aspect of it. The sense of play. I love, um, when you connect, when the three of us connect, connect finding something. Oh, we like that. Building it. Um, in the journey of it becoming a song. And I, I love that moment. Uh, love the fraternity of the band. That, um, I love playing live. That's, that's good clean fun. Um, but yeah, I mean, music is mana from heaven, right? It sustains us. It helps us share with each other. It helps us commune. Yeah.
I always think about that. I always think like music to me is, I, I don't know what I would do without it. There's a lot of things you could do without, obviously. You have to eat. But like music, there's always something in my head. There's always something I'm humming, I'm singing. I, I crave for, you know? And it's just like, and if it's not there, it's, it feels like it's missing.
Did you guys find that, like, that's maybe that's what brought you back? You know, it was sort of that missing each other, missing the music, missing all these things, these elements that deep down you knew you really loved.
Yeah. And for me personally, yes, missed it. But also, can only get that playing with Robert and Brett. Like, that was the one thing that was unique. Like, yeah, the chemistry. Ass. Yeah. The chemistry of this band is a, is very strong for only three guys. Yeah. Yeah. Because I, I had a band, and we just, it just, it was bad. Like, I love these guys, but it, it, like, for a while, it kind of ruined our friendship. It just was like, you know, two guys always wanted to get stoned all the time, and it just, it just got kind of. And it was like, [ __ ] I could see how it could be crippling. You always hear about bands, every band has their drama. But I'm looking at you guys now. Maybe it's history. Maybe it's like, you know, you've done the whole, uh, Lava Lounge and crazy girls after working in the studio all night. Kenny Funk filled me in on some 30 years ago [ __ ]. Oh my gosh. But, you know, in general, it's like, you sort of, I hate to say the word, but like grown up or just gotten to a certain place where the [ __ ] isn't important. These, these three band members have always had a really good work ethic. So even in the, the earlier days, as you were speaking of, we still showed up and did the work that needed to be done. So a lot of other bands I was in before I met these guys, not so much. Kind of stories like what you were just talking about, like, "God, we need to get another bass player again." Like, "They're okay, dude, flamed out." Okay. Like, um, "He's ruining the vibe." Okay. So, um, a lot of that was like, yeah, you said, you know, just people showing up late, or just being generally bad personalities, or just whatever. You know, it's hard to be in a band. It's so intimate. Yeah. So, um, and I love these guys. It's hard, like stopping, you know, quitting the band. I, that was like the most stress I've ever, most therapy I've ever been in was leaving the band. Yeah. That no one knew, you know what I mean?
Well, it's a, it's a partnership, I guess, right? So you have to have mutual respect for each other and your time and your, you know, if we're all here, then let's do this. Let's not waste each other's time, kind of thing. So we've always been good about that.
What's your, what's your favorite song on the album, honestly? But without just, if you had to pick one song.
Rob, uh, you know, I mean, we're playing him live, so different than the record because we wrote him so quick and recorded him so quick. But I know I do. I love "Glimmer" and "Dylan Street." I mean, I love those two songs. Yeah. I said one. Oh, shoot. "Glimmer" and "Dylan Street." All right, all right.
Brett, uh, changes for me, but right now I'm, I'm feeling, uh, "How the Story Ends." Yeah. That's where I'm too. "How the Story Ends." Yeah. Love the chorus and how the story is. I love, uh, "Lust." That guitar.
Okay, so of all the interviews we've done and of everything, this is the first mention of "Lust." Are you serious? Isn't that great? I was waiting for this to happen. It's the first time. How can anybody not talk about "Lust"? The first time someone's even mentioned. Told you. No one's ever even. And I love that sort of nutty kind of. And that music was the first thing we wrote for this album. That opening guitar riff was something that was like, I believe the first thing we worked on. Wow. Like that. Yeah. That rhythm of, you know, that, I don't know if it's a curio kind of, whatever it is. But does this song make people uncomfortable? Why are they, why is this being avoided so much? Like, it's got an interesting thing. It ends weird. It's not, it's not your classic like pop nugget, right? It doesn't resolve. Goes in another kind of reject, not rejection, direction. I, I love that song. I love the break to that. Sar Indian style. Like it's exciting. It feels like you're just driving 90 miles an hour, and you're just kind of feeling good, and the air is blowing on your face, and you're just like, you got to, you're going to meet some hot lady in the video. You don't know. There's a.
Can I be the guy driving? Yes. I don't want to be the hot lady again. The guy driving. The guy driving. The guy driving.
Um, yeah, it's great. And look, I, I, I really commend you guys for, you know, when I heard you have a new album, I remember listening to you guys and I was like, "Oh, these guys are fun." And I remember seeing you many years ago, and this just sounds to me like it's a, just another level of, um, it just seems like it just synchronicity. I don't know what the word is. What is the word?
It's, it's just like the album just is smooth. It's almost like. Well, I think one of the things we didn't know going into it, but then going through the process of of making the album with the producer, Dave Trumore, um, it kind of, while we were working on the, and we, I think we're feeling it during the set too when we play it live, that there's somehow how a story. Like it's not a, it's not like a, a, um, what would be like a concept album, but it feels like there's a kind of continuity of a story kind of being told, like a through line, like a through line to the whole experience of listening to the to all of the songs in their order. Um, and I think one thing I really like about this band is the variety of genre in a way. You know, it's not like every song. It's like, what I say, it's like doesn't have same song syndrome. I feel like you can hear that's not just every song's a pop song. And I don't know, it feels like there's a nice kind of, yeah, I agree. Band wit. Like there's different feeling songs. It just doesn't go boom. It just kind of comes in and out and waves, and it just takes you down for a minute, and it's like, yeah, and then comes back up, you know? You go from like a song like "Glimmer" to a song like "Breach," you know, or "Lust" into "Dylan Street." Yeah. You know, those are all different kind of feelings.
What, uh, moods? Moods. Moods. Who came up? Come on, be honest. Who came up with "Somewhere Between the Power Lines and Palm Trees"?
I think Brett did. Yeah. I was like, "It's a long title." But I think, how did it come out of your mouth? Uh, that didn't sound right. Yes. Better than, "How did it go into your mouth?" That playing bass with G here we go. Um, here we go. I was renting a house over in, I think it was Silver Lake, Los V area. And while we were, it was the Ivanhoe Reservoir. Record. Rowena. Rowena. Rowena Reservoir. Yes. So when I'd walk out of the, out of the house to go over to the studio with these guys, um, it was kind of up elevated, up about 35 feet up above street level. And I would look out over this reservoir, and all there was was palm trees everywhere, and power lines just going between them. And no water in the reservoir. Remember? Yeah. And the whole thing was just super LA, and super like nature versus man, and coexisting. And it just, I took a picture of it, which is the album cover. That is the picture of it. That day I took pictures. So somewhere between the beauty and all the [ __ ]? Yeah. Kind of. Yeah. And there's a couple little birds on the power line, which I love that he got that. That's great. Little doves. I think it just struck me as like, this, "Wow, this is one hell of an LA experience right here." Like that I'm having. So I went and told these guys, "This is a really long title, but what do you think?" And they both said, "Yeah," right away. No, I don't know if it was right away. I think we kicked around a few other things for a while. But what was the worst idea you had? "Smell the Glove." Oh, yeah. I don't know. We did kind of go off it pretty quick, right? I don't remember having a lot of backup titles. We didn't play a lot of the name game. Yeah. And the rest of the photos and the insert around the home, you know, where we live and recorded everything. So it ties in where he was staying because it was so, all the shots were from that area in Silver Lake. And more palm trees, more power lines, and more birds, and just sunsets, and weird streaks of light. Coyotes everywhere. Yeah. It was just one of those kind of things. Yeah. Yeah. I would get woken up. Coyotes. Crazy. Just. Yeah. But it was fun. It was just.
See what happens when you make a coyote sound. You [ __ ] die, man. I hear that all the time. I have a recording on my phone of like what has to be at least 20 coyotes freaking out while sirens are blaring in the background. Like, "That's terrifying." I was like, "This is, this is seriously LA." Right? Where do you hear those two things at the same time? Only here. So I recorded that and I'm like, "One day I'll put that somewhere or use that in some." You can sample it. We'll put it in the next record.
Hey, uh, I know you probably told this story a million times, but you two, when you met, did you really meet him in a convenience store, or is that a lie?
No, it was a supermarket. Oh, that's kind of convenient. It was convenient, but a convenience store is smaller. That's true. It was conveniently located. Convenient. And then there's super. And was he wearing a hockey jersey? A Red Wings jersey?
It was a t-shirt. It was. What year was this? It's one of the rare days Rob had a shirt on. That's true. Put your shirt on. Were you always shirtless? I don't. I don't know what was wrong. I, I used to play with that. Because I was so. We used to play in these small club. 100 Club. So I end up just not wearing one. But looking back on that, I'm like, "Oh, man."
Were you ever shirtless? Yeah. Yeah. There was walking around shirtless in the summer days. He used to ride his Norton shirtless up Beachwood Canyon. Just a pair of sunglasses on. No helmet. Shirtless. Yeah. That was good. Those were the days. Daring. Do. Yeah. So you met, and like, you approached him. Yeah. And what did you say?
I said, "Do you know where there's a hockey game?" And I was like, "It's 90 degrees out, dude. There's no hockey here." I wanted to play some pickup hockey. Ice. Yeah, man. And he didn't know. Oh, I know. No, he didn't. He did know. Where'd you go? Iceoplex. Pick. And Burbank. Burbank. And you brought him there? Yeah. Every Tuesday and Thursday. Paul Lagua had a pickup game. Canadian had a pickup game for many, many years. Many, many years. Yeah. Yeah.
Do you still play? No. Because I think you play. I was bummed because it was like, I think you played in the, the Brookheimer league years ago. Never played the Brookheimer game. I was playing in a couple. I was on a couple of teams during league play. And you play goalie. I was a goalie. I am a goalie. You do. You miss it? Yeah. Very much. Would you ever do it again? Um, yeah. I don't know how that would go, but yeah. Why not? Just rent the knees, man. Oh, yeah. My knees. My knees are bad. I'm almost 60 years old. Are you really? Are you guys? How old are you? Rob, 78. Okay. Brett, Brett, how old are you? 54. Brett's the baby. He's the baby. We used to call him "Young Brett Domrose." Kenny Funk. That's what Kenny Funk used to call him. Really? Yeah. Young Brett Domrose. Among other things. Do that. Another pressure to Kenny, please. Huh? Do that. You did it. No, I just saw you do the Kenny Funk. Did I? Love Kenny. Nobody gets it except us. I know. Yeah. That's a beautiful thing. Yeah. He's the best. Um, no one can make you laugh like Kenny.
What did, what did it feel like for you guys when you got on stage for the first time after all so many years? Was it, was it awesome, or was it really scary?
The wait. The first, the first time was that. That takes us right back to the nerves part of the conversation. Wait, was that the Gold Diggers? Right. Oh, okay. That was friends and family. Closed, closed, private. Still the first time. There's 110 people there. Friends. Yeah. That's even. I agree. We played a private show. We wanted to, you know, play. And so, yeah, there's just like, for me, there's all these world-class record producers and guitar players in the audience. There was only like 80 people there, and I was like, "10 of these people are people I would really, really don't want them to see me play." And my neighbor, Daniel Lanois, was there. Inway, it's a cool spot. From the record producer, we worked with Dave. His place. Gold Diggers. We thought it was going to be like a casual little, just our friends, you know? And then it ended up, it ended up being all these like heavy music people. Oh, dude. We played at the Hotel Cafe once, and all. That's a good sound. Yeah. All our friends came. I've never been that nervous. But our drummer, Keanu, love him. He was so nervous. He, as he started, his stick just flew out into the audience. He's like, "[ __ ]!" Were you there, Ryan? No, Ryan wasn't there. But that sounds great. Yeah. Can just start again. He did. And everybody kind of laughed like, "Hey, we're with you, man. We're with you." It can't get any worse than it can't get any worse.
But what's the worst performance you guys could remember where you got on stage and the sound sucked so bad you couldn't get it together? Someone might have been drunk. But do you remember one show in particular?
This one? No. Yes. The host sucked. Tried to play his band. We're drunk. That's a long. Not nothing in this iteration of the, um, band in my view. Wait, wasn't there like an ice rink we once played at a fair? Wasn't there a fair show? We did the thing in North Dakota, and it just smelled like cow poop everywhere. Remember that? That was fun. That was fun. Wasn't there like a [ __ ] pie contest and Dogstar? Was it? Was it? I'm blocking this one out. Pie contest and Dogstar. See, this is these are the mushrooms. Dogstar. These are the Francis Ford Coppola mushrooms. Was never fair. Oh, wait, wait. I know what you're talking about. That was in Northern California. Was it? No, Midwest thing. Okay. I think it's funny you don't remember it, right? The pie contest. I don't remember a pie contest. We had a gig on this last tour actually, that the sound check took over an hour, which is really unusual. Oh, must have been terrible. Couldn't get. They couldn't get it figured out for whatever reason. How pissed were you? I wasn't pissed. It was just, "Are we going to get it figured out before the doors open?" You know, a more concerned. But the show was okay, though. Show was okay. Yeah. We just, it took maybe more than an hour. And it, it was just, I think that we had a couple shows on this where we had, um, maybe a sound guy. It was his first day on the job. Not good. Not good. Yeah. Now we bring our own sound. But that, we're talking about monitors, right? You can't hear. Yeah. It's the worst when you. Ian, have you ever had where you just can't hear? You just like. Only in the old days. Not this. Since I got the in-ears, it's so much better. But pre-in-ear, it was rough, you know? Yeah. But we had a gig on this run where we came out in the first song, and the monitors were off. Just turned off. And I'm singing, and I'm like, "I don't hear anything." Oh, [ __ ]. All I hear is drums and a little bit of my guitar amp over there. And I'm like. I remember that. Did you stop? No, no. I just started waving my guitar tech down to like pointing frantically, like pointing down and everything. Yeah. Nothing's working. That's. I think that was the exact hand signal. Oh my God. Yeah. So that, but other than that, I don't really remember anything from. I don't remember the pie contest.
What about, uh, your, uh, you have your own label, right? You play under your own label. Yeah. We constructed that because we were told to construct that. But we don't have. But you know, Robert keeps saying we should sign bands. So I don't know. Were you signed? No, we're not. Not signed. I'll send you the CD. Good enough. You want to be on Dylan Street? Like, we don't really have anybody who works with us or for us, and we have no budget. But we mean well. But we mean well. We mean well. You want to, you want to. I'd like to be around guys and we can't really support anything that you do. No, but we won't sign you if we don't believe in you. But we'll be encouraging. Sounds better than what we have now. Do you like egg salad sandwiches? Sure do. Okay. Here. Make sure. Well, we might.
Not yeah, do you think you will sign bands though? No, no, you don't want to do that. Who? Us? What? Why? We don't know anything. What are we going to help you with? You know, probably just as much as a lot of folks out there. And you just let Rob. Rob looks like that was disingenuous. Yes, Robert could run it. Talk to Robert. No, the cube. Yeah, yeah. No, I don't. So who deals with all this stuff now that you have your? We have really good management. We, for the, the F, you know, for the first time we had, you know, ever with Q Prime. And they're just lovely people. First of all, they're great human beings. They're fun to be around, and they're all like, just so wicked smart. And there's so many of them. And every, every time there's a new one, we meet in the team. I don't know. That's, I've never met a group that wouldn't be your experience with Dylan Street, right? That's true. What would my experience be? Just static. Just static. No, no, no. We'd return most, maybe a call or two, but just be like, "How's it going?" "Doing good." "Great, man." "What do you want to do?" "Sounds great." "Sounds better than my reps now." We take a very hands-off approach. Yeah. Oh, I, I, I could dig that. Do your thing, Michael. Guys, go ahead. Uh, it's got to be cool. You like pie? Pie eating contest and Dog Star and Dog Star and Dog Star. Hey, talk to me about, I want to get into your like your favorite band fans of all time and what like inspired you or like when, when you were growing up, what were you listening to? Like, I like a lot of [ __ ] across the board, you know. I could say, "Oh, what up?" But I could also say, uh, Depeche Mode. I love The Cure. I love kind of alternative stuff. I love Pearl Jam. I like them all over. But what would you say, you know, were your influencers for, for, you know, the band and just, you know, in general? We are all three come from totally different neighborhoods on this one. Really? Yeah. Well, musical Dog Star Venn diagram. And so here's the Brett color. Brett, well, I have a couple colors because I have colors as a singer, colors as a guitar player, and then colors as a songwriter. I love, I think I love these guys. If they're as genuine as I'm seeing, then this is, uh, this is pretty good. I want to be in this band. Can I just do something like a rattle or something? Share the colors. Go ahead, Brett. Uh, well, okay, so growing up as a kid, I was more into the song. I didn't know anything about playing music yet or playing instruments yet. So I loved Elton John, Billy Joel, like the AM radio. What was happening in the '70s? And, uh, all that, all that stuff was just, I just listened for good songs. I didn't know I was, but I, you know, just like anybody, I'm drawn to a good song. Um, poppy, you know, catchy song. And then I started getting into guitar. And so that became like, okay, how do I get as good as possible on the guitar? That became like Rush, Def Leppard. Wow. I love Def Leppard. And also U2. So I was like, you, I was all over the place. I had Iron Maiden in there. I was trying to like learn the guitar like properly learn the guitar so I could get in a band someday. And MTV was on and I just wanted to do that. So those guys kind of got me primed as far as like learning the guitar. And then singing, I got thrown into because our, our band's singer was awful and people kept going, "Your background vocals are better than his lead vocals. You got to sing." And so they just kind of forced me into being a singer when I was like 17. Wow. And then, and then I started writing songs after all that. It just kind of all just happened. So all three of those things. And as a singer, I don't really think about anybody other than people that have passion. You know, like, like again, Elton John, Tom Petty. People that's when they sing, you believe them. That's all. I don't care if they're rock or if they're country, you know. Um, John Denver. Who was, who was on my radio when I pulled into your driveway? So just believability, passion, all that. So that's my long, short answer. That's a good answer. Rob, he's just going to go rat. Mic drop. I thought Def Leppard was was deaf, like they couldn't hear, like it was like Def Leppard. I didn't know it was Def. I mean, for, I also thought Jimi Hendrix sang, excuse me, well, like Kiss. This guy. So I, which would have been fine. Yeah, which is fine. Not the sky. I didn't know, you know. Um, you know, it's when you're a little kid, you're hearing all these things, right? And you, the first time you hear a radio. So I guess I'm a bit older. So I, for me, it was, you know, the, the British Invasion was the first thing I heard, you know. And then I realized that they were playing was all this great American black music and blues and Motown and and all that stuff. What it was like, Willie Dixon or Fats Domino or all that, all those great, you know, James Brown. And so I kind of went back and forth trying to find the blueprints of what the British guys were doing, you know, what the Rolling Stones were doing, what the Beatles were doing. Like who, I was looking on the album, I was like, the first albums that weren't really written by them, they were covering stuff. But they were covering American artists, you know. And they were covering like American, you know, black artists. They were covering people that we never knew, you know, or I didn't know where they were from, you know, obscure places that weren't, they weren't famous. But these, all the way across the pond, they're making these people, they were like tribute to them. So I kind of got back and forth. And then I just got like, kind of like you, I got obsessed just with everything that sort of British, like moving on into the '70s and the '80s and Depeche Mode and The Cure and all, all that stuff. And, and, you know, I think, you know, the Beatles were it for me, you know. You saw that and it was something different, you know. Be prior to that, you know, I didn't Elvis Presley so much. So maybe because I wasn't a 15-year-old girl, but I didn't, I didn't, I didn't get that. Like I understood it, but, um, I got him later. Yeah, it's, I'm like, wow, you have to go backwards. Like, like with Frank Sinatra, you're like, "Oh, that's the stuff my parents would listen to." Like Frank, like Ella Fitzgerald, Billy Holiday. Then you go backwards and you hear that and you go, "Oh my God, that's like so good." I mean, it's not what I was into, right? But, but he sort of come back to that as you get older. But I'm kind of like you. I just sort of, and then Brett, as well, like I love, you know, I love all those singer-songwriters and I love Cat Stevens, James Taylor. I don't really care if it's classical or jazz. I like a good melody, a good, like, just it's just a feeling of a song. Crosby, Stills, Nash, all that stuff. But I, it's, but isn't it fun to go try to discover the blueprints of things? Like I've been obsessed with that lately because I think a lot of stuff got buried. Like, like maybe we didn't get what we thought we were getting. And maybe, or maybe we weren't, they just didn't present those people to us. But there's people that, oh no, I knew about those people. But I'm like, I didn't know. Like, I want to know. Like, you know, yeah, we've heard of Chuck Berry, of course. But there's, I didn't know that there might have been a blueprint before him. Yeah, I was like, "Huh? Who influenced him?" Yeah, like, "Who the hell was that?" You know what I'm saying? So I'm going down this rabbit hole of like stuff lately. And it's just an incredible journey. And it's American. And it's, and it's, it's incredible. So that's great. Great. I, I, I wonder why the British kids like got all that. I like, how did they get all that? And maybe some of us didn't. Maybe that's, maybe that was the radio they were hearing in England or something. We got Chicago, brother. We got Chicago. You know what I mean? Were they just hearing different radio than we were hearing? I don't, I don't know. You know? Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. But Koo, uh, I, I, I'll start with like the being like 18, 19, and know, and a girlfriend who just said, you know, you should listen to this. And I was like, "What?" And what was that? I said, like, stuff now that's kind of like, you know, but at the time, like this is like 1983, '84. '83, '84. So like hearing Husker Du or The Violent Femmes or Jesus and Mary Chain or The Clash, The Ramones for the first time. Yeah. 'Cause I hadn't heard that music before then. Before I was like 18, 17, 18 when I heard that. I was like, yeah. So I, I actually really like a good, I love a fast 4/4 time pop song that's rock. Whether it's in like, in a different shape, like The Exploited to me made kind of pop songs sometimes, you know? Like Dead Cities got so much melody in it, but it's still punk rock. And The Ramones have melody. So I like, I like that. But I just love bass guitar and drums. Pixies. The Pixies. I can feel a little bit, dude. I just saw the Pixies at the Bowl with Modest Mouse. Great, great. I love them. Yeah, I got to hang out with Frank Black after. Like, what? So cool. Yeah, they're doing a, um, another tour where they're just going to play *Trompe le Monde* and another album full, both. So they're going to be doing that. But, um, those are cool. Everybody, you're right. Everybody's so different, but it kind of works. It just works. I think that's, yeah, that's what we all bring up an important puzzle piece, you know, that that we wouldn't be able to do without the three of us. It would vastly alter the dynamic, you know. So there's, there's definitely, we cover the spectrum, I think, between the three of us. Yeah. Um, we went to do this thing the other day at Amoeba Records where we're picking out. Heard, you know, and Keo's got the box set of Wagner, you know, what? Well, never heard the, you know, the Ring Cycle from front to back. So I was like, "Oh, okay. I'm at Amoeba. That's what you do." So I'm going to spend seven hours and listen to the Ring. The Rings. That was my grandfather's favorite. Was it? He loved that. The Rings. I never listened to it. I should. Yeah. So I'm like, yeah, yeah, someone do that. But anyway, wow. What are they called? Rug? No. Norman Strong and, and I don't, there's three names, right? The, the Rings. Maybe there's five. I don't know. Um, you know, the, I have to at least mention it. We're getting to the end here. Um, but this is the end. This is the end. Do you like The Doors? My only friend, the end. And he walked on down the hallway. And he saw Dan Thompson right there. Let me ask you this, uh, you know, we talk about mental health on this podcast, and it helps so many people. And I, I didn't even know I was getting into it. It sort of just happened. I started being a little more vulnerable and, you know, self-deprecating and real. So I'm just like, curious, what do you guys do for your mental health? I mean, um, you know, I go to therapy and, uh, you know, I work on myself constantly. But is, is it playing music? Is your therapy? Is it exercise? Is your therapy? Is it all of it? Or do you guys also do therapy or whatever? What do you do to kind of calm yourself, I guess? I'll go. I, I feel that I've learned, um, that if I be more loving to other people, that it makes me better. That's beautiful. Yeah. I feel the same way. And it's amazing how you don't even, that realization doesn't, it doesn't happen when you're younger all the time. Sometimes it takes you years to sort of go, "Wow, just being a good person is enough." You know, just to, to, because if you feel like that's coming to you, and it's not like artificial, like I'm just going to try to be, you know, it's not, honestly, like you don't want to go. That doesn't always work if, if you know someone. It depends, you know. But I just feel that, uh, 'cause it's almost what you want for yourself, or what we'd like to have. But it does have a healing. I mean, there is a lot of healing and love. You know, I dig it. I like it. Brett, therapy for sure. No, I think, uh, I think songwriting, you know, writing in general can be therapeutic. I think, um, some of my songs that lyrically I get to revisit nightly. So that's kind of cool to to continually check in on those feelings and things like that. So that's, that's important. But the number one thing I do to to chill and to get away from it all is I, I like to be social. And it's going to make me sound like a raging alcoholic, but I love nothing more than sitting at a bar with friends and just bullshitting and just having a drink and talking. That's like my favorite world. Just current affairs, the history, what might, what's to come, just, and then just take it in the room, new people wandering around. And so that's kind of like my favorite thing to do is just call somebody and go, "Hey, you want to go to the Smokehouse? Let's go to The Smokehouse and get a beer and some cheesy garlic bread and look at people and talk." Like, so, and luckily, I got a lot of people on tap that are like, "Yeah, let's go right now." So yeah, that's like my favorite thing to do. But see, my therapist thinks that I like to do that all the time and be around people, but being alone is because I don't want to be alone. And so there's some kind of, there's some kind of, I don't know what that is, but it's like, yo, I love having friends over and I love the love and I love the conversations. And then why do you have to go? We're packed. I guess I'm just here by myself playing bass guitar. You can learn a lot by being alone. Like during the, I thought you were going to say dummy. By being a dummy. Remember that one? You could learn a lot from a dummy. Like, but during the pandemic, a lot, a lot of us were alone, you know? And not necessarily or with the partner or not, but I'm just saying, even with the partner, you know, two of you or one of you or, but we were alone. And so a lot of people learned a lot about, you know, you read these stories like during the pandemic, there were so many people got divorced. Well, you know what? Maybe that was good. Maybe that was good. They realized they were with the wrong person, you know? Or, you know, or, you know, or people discovered things like, "I learned to cook." Or I learned, "I didn't know this about myself." Because they were all the [ __ ] was shut down and you were sort of forced. It's sort of like an odd, forced meditation. You were like, forced to sit in a [ __ ] in a room for two years and not really leave the house. And you're like, "Oh my God, all this stuff." And then, you know, you either learn to like yourself or you like, "You know what? This is okay. This is okay to be alone." And it's, there's so many things you can do. And, uh, you don't need all the, all the [ __ ] outside. And there's nothing wrong with it. Like Brett said, that's great to go out and do all that. I agree with him. But it's also nice to be comfortable with yourself. And, uh, so that was kind of a weird, you know, what's weird though is like, uh, it was almost okay to feel alone during that time. It's like, "Well, everybody else is also feeling alone too." So this is cool. I'm alone. I'm alone. And it's, but then all of a sudden the pandemic's over and you're like, "I'm still alone anyway." K back to you. No, no. Uh, would you say that, you know, is, is something that helps you for your mental health and, and all that kind of stuff? Yeah, I guess if I'm, um, I internalize a lot of things. And so I try to find spaces where I can just, um, and this is something I probably, yeah, anyway, um, sit and think, sit and feel, be, uh, quiet. Um, if I have to work something out, what am I feeling? You know, I like to, yeah, just sit, think, stare out the window, maybe jump on a motorcycle. And, yeah, just kind of ask myself, "What do you thinking? Why you feeling that? If it's distressful, like, why? What do you want? What's going on?" Um, um, you usually get to the bottom of it when you're doing that. Yeah. Sometimes, or I see the bottom. I'm like, "Well, okay, you know, I'll, I'll, I'll just lean. I'll lean into my coping mechanisms or how, how to be like, um, and I think, uh, probably coming out of that is either is some form of communication, communicating it to yourself, you know, or, um, communicating it to someone else, which could be sharing or looking for, like, you're, you're talking about therapy, so having a reflection or someone to listen who might have, um, you know, uh, different perspectives. We'll call it professional perspectives, tools. Um, but yeah, so for me, it's like internalize and then work on the communication. And, um, and then if it's like really, like, you know, personal, like your childhood, or, you know, what do you feel about your mother, or, you know, family, or stuff from the past, you know, if you're dealing, like, you know, for me, it's like intimacy. Good thing. So it's like, "Okay, how do I work on that? How do I acknowledge it?" Yeah, yeah. Acknowledge it and see and look at it. And what does that unpack? You know, but that's a therapeutic process. But if it's just get through the [ __ ] day, sit, be quiet, maybe jump on a motorcycle, hang out, maybe have a glass of wine. Isn't it weird like when you're young, like you're talking about that childhood stuff, it's almost like, like you look at a picture, it's like you're almost not the same. That's not the same person. But you, it is clearly, it is. It is. But it's like, "Wait a minute, is was that me? Or is that the same person?" And then you realize, "Oh, it's different now." But I know what you mean about like, well, then you get into behavioral systems and wiring and like, and then we could, we would have to do another insight. Yeah, inside of your bra. But actually, but that's kind of what you're doing, Michael. I mean, you're going this road, this journey of what's inside of you and sharing it. So, yeah, you know, I think the vulnerability of that, you know, I think vulnerability is probably a key thing, isn't it? Yeah. I think it's, if, if you're not showing yourself, and you're, you shouldn't be preaching it. You shouldn't be telling people how, what they should be doing, if you're not also at least acknowledging it, right? I don't know. Really. It depends on the, depends on the context, right? You don't need your therapist to start crying in front of you or to tell you about something, right? That's true. That would be kind of odd. On, that would not be Prof. I had a therapist once say, "You mind if I eat this Subway sandwich in front of you? I'm just really hungry. I haven't eaten." It was when you did in person. I go, "Yeah, that was my last session." But have you had one fall asleep? [ __ ] is this? Have you? No, but, oh, could you imagine? So bored with me. I told I had one therapist say, "Why are you being a [ __ ]?" And I go, "What?" And then I go, "I guess I was kind of a [ __ ]." That's called tough love. Yeah. It was. Do you ever have that? Like a, I, I was, I had an acting teacher once in college said, "You got to get rid of that, that judging eye that's always talking to you and looking at you." And if you can shatter, I think there's four, the id, the ego, and the superego. If you can shatter that. Old school paradigms. Yeah. Robert with the old school, old school, old school, old school paradigms. But you can't get, how do you get rid of that? Like, you ever that conversation, like, "Shut the [ __ ] up," like that voice, that judging thing? If you can shatter that thing. But then again, is it even, can you even do that? I think for a lot of actors, they're always like, not a lot of actors, but artists. And sometimes that voice thing gets in the way. Like, you need to [ __ ] shoot that thing with a shotgun and then get it out. I agree. But I also like, I don't think I'm cool enough to just internalize. Oh, you like, you're just how you internalize. Have you always been like that where you can just sit there and be? I don't know how the F that's a gift. Can you do that, Brett? Can you just sit and shut the [ __ ] up and internalize? No. My girlfriend says she says, "You never stop talking." "You come home and I'm like, well, I have to talk to somebody and you live here, so sorry, that's your job. Part of your job now." So you can, you can leave if you don't like it. But I, you can talk to us. She's like, "Don't you need to rest your voice for the show? The tour?" This is going to air soon. So how long does the tour go on for? 17 days. 17 more days. Yeah. Do you want it to continue? What if they say, "You want to extend it?" Would you do it? It'll be Christmas. We started our tour on December 3rd through December 21st, I think. Do you love it? Do you love the traveling? I love it. We love it. I love it. I love being on a bus with these these crazy cats. I like playing shows. Yeah. I like the, the randomness. Every, every day something different, different city, different people, different restaurants, different looks. Just, you never get the same thing twice. And we don't know what's going to like, we don't know what's going to happen. And then there, then playing is always great. And we have really good support, yeah, around us. People we just have, love it, huh? We just have great and a great tour manager, great management, great, you know, everybody's just so nice. You know, we got great fans, though. We really do. They're, yeah, that's, and they've evolved with us, I think. Um, seems like now there's, seems like now they're they're listening more, if that makes any sense. I think, I think, I think they're a little more like listening. And I mean, maybe we've all matured a bit together, but, um, you know, when we were younger, it was a little more reckless and crazy and people more noisier and screaming and jumping around. And now it's more like, it seems like people have a real interest in the in what we're doing musically more so than. And the ages are all over the place too. Like there's like, you know, young all the way. It's a different. And there's more guys. That's a good thing, right? Well, there used to be. Yeah, it's just, it's a, and there's, you'll see some, you, it's, it's just a different. Yeah. We just, great. And we've also had a very, uh, a couple of nights where we've been introduced to some people and it was their first concert ever. Like some teenagers and some some young kids. Cool. And, and I always take that like, "We better not suck tonight." Like, "We got a heavy responsibility tonight, guys. This is that girl's first concert ever." You know, and she's going to, someone's going to ask her in 25 years, "What was your first concert?" And, and they were great. I hope that's what she says. Yeah. Except, was it? It was a pie contest. Contest and Dog Star, guys. This has been awesome. I, I, I never have had Blue Ribbon. Blue Ribbon. Paps. Blue Ribbon. Yeah. You know, maybe that's from. Yes. Uh, hi. No, no, no. Don't tell me it's from the, um, oh my God. No, don't, don't. No, no, no, no. Wait, wait. We, I'm not saying. No, no. Dennis Hopper. It's Dennis Hopper in. Oh my God. Frederick Elms is the cinematographer. And, and what's the name of that movie? Because it's so good. And it's called Blue Velvet. Velvet. Nice. [ __ ] that [ __ ] pops. Blue Ribbon. Isabella Rossellini. David Lynch. Oh, who's your favorite actor ever? Not going there. Never would. Who's your top one? Top 10? Give one, uh, inspiring. Robert De Niro. Taxi Driver. People have said that before, too. People like, "That's the movie." What about you? That's, is it? Pete. Wow. Got to meet him. K and I met him once. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt you. I'm sorry. He's getting excited. I don't have a go. I don't have an answer yet. Go ahead, Rob. Oh, man. Daniel Day-Lewis. I love him. And I also, you know, maybe I'll get. I love Albert Brooks. People, there's a documentary on Al Brooks now. I got to watch that. He's the most relaxed. Yeah. Something about him. And *Drive*. Are you kidding me? It's frightening how good he is in that movie. Yeah. And, uh, oh, no, I didn't see that. I saw *Drive*. *Defending Your*, I mean, *Def*. I mean, come on. He's just, I mean, I, there's something about him that I just can't stop. I just love him. But, you know, Daniel Day-Lewis, you know, of course. De Niro. Oldman. Meryl Streep. Nicholson. Yeah. Laurence Olivier. Guys, this has been a joy. I don't want to take any more time. This has been unbelievable. Thank you. I, I really got to know you guys. And I, and I appreciate you coming in. And thanks for allowing me to be inside you and coming over the house. It means a lot. Thank you. Cheers, man. Thank you. It's been fun. Thanks. Bye. I loved it. I, I loved it. I was thinking, what could we cut? And I asked you about it. And you were like, "Well, nothing really. It's all good." And I trust you because I normally I have to cut out when you say certain stuff, you know? But this one, you didn't say. Just kidding. Well, you know what's funny is I, um, normally you say that one thing we always have to cut out, but this time, well, I just get bored sometimes, um, with myself. And so I'm like, "Ah, cut that whole thing." If it doesn't move the story, if it's redundant, if it's slow, or if it's an uncomfortable moment, or if it affects the, this one felt like it floated. I thought it was a good episode. Good. And is the season to be giving? I want to, uh, give a shout out to the many fine nonprofits that I work with and love. The Ronald McDonald House of Los Angeles. Food on foot.org. If you want to donate. Um, the Animal Rescue Mission. Shout out to my friend Shir Asro, who saves so many animals, so many doggies. And I love them. Um, Echos of Hope.org for, um, foster youth. And, um, some great nonprofits that really are tremendous and, um, serve LA. Little shout out to Hauer. Mr. Paul Hauer. Oh, yeah, yeah. I went to his event. And that's it. I hope you guys, uh, have an awesome holiday. Bryce, I hope you have an awesome holiday, my friend. But before we do that, should we read some of the most important people in my life? Yeah, let's do it. Top tier patrons. Here we go. Couldn't do it without you. Lilisa, Nancy D, Lean, Kristen, Little Lisa, Yukiko. I said Little Lisa. You did. Jill E. But I said her first. Brian H, Nico P, Robert B, Jason W, Sophie M, Raj C, Joshua D, Jennifer N, Stacy L, Jamal F, Janelle B, Mike E, Lon, Supro 99, more San Diego M, Chad W, Leanne P, Maddie S, Belinda N, Dave. Hello, Dave Hall. I love Dave Hall. How many times have you heard me say Dave Hall, Bryce? Uh, a lot. Great. Sheila G, Brad D, Ray H, Tabitha T, Tom N, Talia M, Betsy D, Ranne and C, Corey K, Deb N, Michelle A, Jeremy C, Brandy D, Joey M, Eugene and Leah, Corey, Angela F, Mel S, Christine S, Erica H, Shane R, Andrew M, Amanda R, Kevin E. You know, now that I have a son and we read every night, I have to start reading again out loud. And I don't like it. Get, I'll take over. Well, you know, it's, maybe I'll read him patron names to go to sleep. I'm sure that would put him to sleep. No, it wouldn't. It'd give him energy. Stephanie K, Joor L, Jam and J, Lean J, Luna R, Mike F, Stone H, Brian L, Jules M, Kendall L, Jessica B, Kyle F, Marisol P, Kaylee J, Brian A, Ashley F, Mari and Louise L, Romeo, the band, Frank B, Jen T, Nikki L, April R, Andy S, JDW, Oral P, Ginger, Insomniac, Rachel D, Melissa H, Nick W, Stephanie and Evan, Charlene A, Don G, Jenny B. From the, you know what's cool is we started Patron maybe almost three or four years ago. I remember it was in December. And so a lot of the folks that were around back then are still around today, which is rad. Yeah, you guys are just, uh, so incredible. And you're so important to me. And it's fun, funny when I'm writing those little notes in the boxes that I send you guys every week or every couple months, uh, I always think, "What am I going to say?" And then I just speak from the heart. I'm just like, you know, how much it means to me and how, you know, amazing they are. And like, they've heard it, but it's like, you know, there's only so much you could say. But there's the love is there. And, um, but they, they've stuck around. It's pretty incredible. I always think, "Oh, they're going to leave me. They're going to leave me. They're going to, you know." And they, people have lives and they have jobs and they, you know, and I'm so surprised that they're even there. And that they just like the podcast. And they, uh, yeah, they show up. It's cool. They show up, man. You guys show up. And, uh, as long as you're here, I'm here. So thanks. Um, so I guess that's it. So have a wonderful holiday. Uh, be good to yourself. I usually say that at the end of the episode. But, you know, and sometimes the holidays are tough. If you've lost someone, um, I know a few of my friends are going to be without their parents. Or, you know, my friend Al is going to be without her father for the holidays. And she just lost him. And it's really tough. And, you know, it's just, uh, it could be tough. And for a lot of people. And, um, but there's a light. There is not to be, uh, profoundly cliché, but there, there is a light at the end of the tunnel. There is. This is life, man. It's, it's waves. It's, you hit the bottom and you come back up for air. And then there's beautiful weather in front of you. And then all of a sudden, uh, [ __ ] [ __ ] storm hit you. And you just got to get through it. And love your friends. Hang around people that you enjoy. People that don't bring you down. And, uh, thank you, Bryce, for being here. All my love to you and Logan. Beckham. Yep. And love to Ryan, uh, Taz, um, and Jason. To you, to you, my friend, my editing friend. So from the Hollywood Hills and Hollywood, California, I'm Michael Rosenbaum. I'm Bryce. Uh, we love you guys. And again, be good to yourself. I'll, I'll see you very, very soon. [Music]