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There's a reason nearly 40 million people have read the warning from a Green Beret. He says in Minneapolis, it's not a protest anymore. This is what it is. Not only isn't this grassroots, this is not even a protest. This is an insurgency.
Explain that to me.
Um, so first off, you have to understand that uh, you know, Green Berets uh actually conduct uh insurgent warfare uh or unconventional warfare, if you will. And we do the exact same thing but overseas. Um, so and I've taught it. I was an instructor uh that that taught it for 2 years uh to other warrant officers. Um, so it's the ability to recognize something. If you're a parent uh, I know you're a parent and you've ever heard your child lie for the first time, you look right at them and you know that they're lying. Why? Because you used to lie when you were a kid. It's that same feeling when you see something like that or hear something like that and you're like, I know exactly what that is.
Well, let's talk about teaching insurgency. What is it? What does that entail? Because again, it's got to come off like it's grassroots. It's got to come off like it's like it's organic. I'm going to give you some suggestions about what's happening here in Military City, USA in San Antonio where I am based because you got this guy Castro who's a US representative who's doing exactly what you're talking about. I want to get into that in a little while. But if you were to to teach me insurgency, what is that?
Um, doctrinely, uh, it's a part of our unconventional warfare. Uh, it would actually be it's not we have like a bunch of different things that we do in special warfare. Unconventional warfare is one of them. Uh, the it's just a means of uh creating or destabilizing an area using the minimum force necessary in key areas to create an opening for things to happen. I actually explained this to my uh one of my older sisters just recently today and you're creating a space for follow-on um operations or uh or efforts, if you will.
It is uh Eric Schwam. Go and follow him at sm5132 over on X. An incredible follow. Now, have you gained a bunch of followers because of that post? I saw you had about 60,000 yesterday. I'm guessing you're going to probably probably blow up.
Uh, it it blew up. Uh, I went to bed on Sunday night. I had 2400 followers. Um, wow.
The the following morning I got a a message from one of my old intel sergeants saying, "Hey, you might want to get on X and take a look at what's going on." Uh, then I went online and I I saw what was happening and it it it really blew up. Like I I the past 48, 72 hours have been uh really eye-opening, awakening and uh I've been able to speak to some really incredible people.
Well, well, people have been dying to know what's really going on when we watch Minneapolis from afar. And you're hearing polling that 58% think that ISIS is too aggressive. You're hearing walls were at war with the federal government. You hear the the mayor saying get the f out of Minneapolis. You hear the police chief saying if you see somebody in uniform picking somebody up, they might be kidnapping them, call 911. Are they all part of the insurgency?
Uh, I I don't know. Um, so here's the thing. I can't I can't speak to what they're thinking, what they're doing, right?
Um, all I know is what I see physically on the ground and we have to thank some really great people out there for for showing stuff out there. Uh, Cam Higgby uh and Nick Shirley out there are are the guys on the ground. Um, they're the ones that are providing the information about what was going on with the fraud, what was going on with the the signal chats. Um, so we we give our credit to the eyes and ears that are out there and I saw what they were doing. And so when I I'm going I'm be upfront about you. I'm going to keep faith with my fellow uh with my fellow Americans, the the officers and everybody that are out there that are are doing the job. Um, and so what I'm seeing as far as like some of the the pushback against the police officers, uh, unfortunately, uh, I was born in the late 60s. Um, my some of my family members served in Vietnam. It's very, very similar to what we saw in Vietnam. Uh, with the spitting on the soldiers, disgracing the soldiers, calling them names when they came back from Vietnam, but all they were doing was supporting American policy. So these officers, the ICE, the C uh CBP and everybody out there, they're supporting domestic policy. The laws were created by our Congress probably well before like even Trump took office in 2016. These laws were on the books. They're enforcing they're enforcing what our Congress actually put in. So support to them just the way you you know, like we said, would never happen again with the Vietnam soldiers. We're going to I'm going to support them. I'm they're just doing what America voted to do, what our policymakers created, and they're just carrying out. So, the efforts to do that uh to to go against them, that that's where I sit there and say something like the a third person has entered the game. We got um both uh Democrats and Republicans. My family is a a mix of both of them. And I I can see it feels like a third party is is out there and talking to somebody. And I see on the from what I'm seeing on the ground, I see myself. I see somebody out there talking to them, giving them advice, giving them my ideas, uh giving them the playbook, instructing them where to go. And it's it's a level of sophistication that is through the roof as far as like unconventional warfare goes. I I as I have total respect for what I seeing on the ground as far as if it was if it was my playbook and I was running it that way. It's going really, really well.
Wow. It is Eric Schwam again. It's cm5132 over on X. His ex-profile is blowing up because this post that he made is absolutely eye-opening. So let's talk about some specifics. I want to talk about this guy Alex Prey. The reason I want to talk about him is because we have been told, I guess, by the insurgency that he's a VA nurse and a really nice guy who really loved to bike and uh loved his family and just loves the community and happened to be trying to save a woman from the from the grasp of mean Gestapo like ICE agents that day. But then we find a piece of video from 11 days earlier and he's a guy that did what you just said. He was spitting on an ICE officer. We see that as the ICE agents closing the door. They still try to drive away. He kicks the car. They still try to drive away. He kicks it again and breaks the tail light assembly. They get out, put him to the ground, allegedly breaking a rib. This guy was part of what I think you're saying was the insurgency. But the sales job is he's the regular 37-year-old Minnesota veterans affair nurse um who absolutely just wants to take care of little kittens. But it turns out he wasn't that guy. We now see who he was. I is he part of this? Because allegedly he's in the signal chats, too. And is it and is the explanation about who he is by the legacy media also part of the cover up?
Um, he is what we would consider uh your your basic foot soldier, somebody who's a volunteer, somebody who's an active participant on the ground. Um, these are these are from an unconventional warfare standpoint. Um, these are your volunteers and and I it's going to sound horrible to say, but they're almost a tool uh that you're using out there. There are people out there whether he was getting paid or not. I don't know. Um, what his what his ideology was. I I couldn't tell you. Uh, I'm not inside his head. I don't know what's happened in his life or what brought him to to be in that particular place in time. Um, the thing is is like with with unconventional warfare, you need acts out there which you can can use to to your best effort. Um, you can make an argument for who he is, what he you're you're not going to anytime you have like some sort of situation like that. You're going to try to play it to your side. Whether you're um whether you're playing on the the side of the uh actual government that's in power right now or the people who are trying to destabilize the government in power right now. E there's a there's a strong message that you can make either way. Um, the biggest thing that I'm going to say about him having a gun in that uh particular location is is there's a responsibility. I have the uh authority to carry a concealed weapon, but I have there's understanding that I have about doing it. It's the same thing for like drinking alcohol. If I drink alcohol, it's my responsibility not to get behind a wheel of a car and go driving. If I do that, then I'm responsible for what happens.
It's my responsibility if I'm allowed to if I have with under 2A to carry a weapon. If I carry a two-way weapon into a a protest and get into a physical disagreement with an officer, I'm responsible for doing that just the same as I get drunk and get behind the wheel.
It it's a great point. I'm also a 2A guy. I carry all the time. I would never approach somebody, a law enforcement officer, and say, "Let's let's fight now. I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to try to get this woman away from you while I've got my gun on me. It doesn't make any sense." So, um, as we as we watch that unfold and we watch the narrative and it's it's unraveling about this guy, um, Alex Prey, what if what if we find out there are allegations here? Now, I'm not going to say that she was, but the allegations are pretty strong that possibly the the lieutenant governor was one of the administrators on this signal chat. Again, does that add to the government being involved in the in this insurgency?
Um, if the information does it does come through and that is that's something that uh you're going to need disciplined information to to make that case uh against her. It's got to be something that objectively everybody can look at and go okay, yeah, she's part of it.
My from my experience my uh overseas or and also and in the training that we do is that we want to solicit uh government involvement. It's it's a a necessary top cover uh to any sort of an insurgency uh is to create some sort of alternate government, what we would call a shadow government, uh within the structure. Is she part of it? I have no clue. I'm I'm not out there. I don't have the facts.
Well, well, let let's let's throw some some things that we know to be true. We know that Wall said he's at war with the federal government. We know that he has told people, "Go out there and take your phones out and make sure you document everything." We know that Peggy Flanigan, the lieutenant governor, has said that we have to put your body on the line. We have video of her saying to the wannabe protesters, "Go out there, take your phone, and put your body on the line." We've got Jacob Fry saying the ridiculous things he said about get the f out of Minneapolis. And then we've got a police chief, another a law enforcement authority saying, "Call 911 on these agents that we know are coming here." I mean, that's kind of a weird coincidence if they're all just saying it on their own. It seems it seems colluded to me, Eric. No.
Um, that's that's the kind of rhetoric that we would, you know, we would expect to see, right? Um, you know, individually it could be just bad decisions. Um, there could be a push that we don't on them. Like they could be there could I can give them all kinds of reasons um how they could be making these statements with like they could be receiving outside pressure. I don't know if somebody in their family has been threatened and they're being told to make these statements. I'm going to give them an out for all of it.
Um, but the thing about it is that is very, very dangerous rhetoric to put out there. Uh, especially what as we talk about those foot soldiers and stuff, cuz when you have your what we call like your religious zeal zealots out there, people who take things very literally um that are going to go out there and do things. They're not paid. They're may not even be part of the overall program. They just show up and do their own thing. So that when you have that type of rhetoric and when you have people out there who you don't necessarily have any sort of controls over, they can create a ton of problems for you. So it's it's a very dangerous thing to to say those things because you're there's there's always that one person out there that may take it out too far.
It is uh Eric Schwam. Go and follow him at sm5132 on X. He's a a retired Green Beret. Uh let me let me ask you this. What is the goal of an insurgency? Is it always the same? Is it always different? An insurgency wants what?
Uh, that we uh we've in among the intel people that are on X, we're having several discussions about what the overall intent and goal of this, but you could have multiple parties out there with their different intents and and different goals. We saw this in Afghanistan. We saw this uh in Iraq. If you just watch uh 12 soldiers uh or 12 strong uh out of Afghanistan, you could see that there were two different warlords that had two different ideas of what they wanted to do post Afghanistan. There uh and even the same thing we saw in in Iraq. You could have like uh there was a a cleric in in Iraq back in 2003 plus you also had the the former Saddam regime and they both had different ideas of what they wanted to do post Iraq. Um, either way, you're dealing with both of them and the what they want is up to them, but the problem is the same. They're creating space for a future goal, which you may not know, but you still got to deal with them while they're trying as they're trying to get that goal. And that's what I was talking about is that if it's at a level of a network, which I believe it to be, I believe there's a hierarchy out there. Uh, who's in it, who's not in it. You have to deal with it organiz with as an or like an an organization to defeat an organization. CBP and ICE is really, really good. They're they have a specific mission that they're out there doing. Um, they're they're uh doing the domestic laws that they're going enforcing the domestic laws which they're supposed to be doing, but they're not designed to deal with crowd control. They're not designed to deal with protests. That's where your local police come in. When you're doing the information collection against the sigant uh against the the signal chats, you need somebody in there who can get in there. When you're going after the fraud, you need a fraud team. When you're going after the leadership, you need somebody who's who's actually doing it. And that's got to be you can't have separate efforts going on out there going after each one of these things that are uncoordinated when they're the actual uh thing that's happening out there is coordinated. And this is what we saw in Iraq initially from 2003 to 2006 was this uncoordinated effort to deal with the insurgencies that we were seeing out there. And once we got around to 2006 and somebody finally committed to the word insurgency and we we turned the entire thing into a pyramid of people going after the entire insurgency. That's where we started to make things happen. And that's what they need up there. They need a a headquarters. They need funding. They need authorities to operate the as a as a unit, as a an entire discipline using all those organizations who very much like to operate independently, but they need to coordinate and work together.
Eric Schwall, we appreciate the time and the access. Let let me let me ask you about some of the things that we've seen uh not only going on there, but going on elsewhere. By the way, let me throw this out there and maybe you can help me understand how you can so easily change a perspective. Let me give you the perspective. I get pulled over for speeding. Can you imagine 200 people showing up in vehicles blowing whistles and screaming and yelling and spitting on the cop for pulling me over for speeding? That would be ridiculous in the United States of America. Nobody would be okay with that. But here we've got law enforcement officers from Immigration and Customs and they're just simply enforcing the law passed by Congress and signed by a president back in the day. And the the same thing is happening. Can you imagine going up to any random cop doing his job and spitting and screaming and whistling and kicking and and surrounding and all of that? How did they make it okay that when we see them do it to ICE, that's now acceptable because ICE is the Nazis or something. But if you were to do this to a local cop, that would be ridiculous. How did they make people believe that this is okay?
Uh, that's where we talk about the the network and their ability to to create narratives. Uh, if you saw there's a there's a 20-page um pamphlet that they created that they put out there with specific talking points with uh actions how to work the signal chat uh which is just monumental again like recognizes like and that's a that's a fantastic product that they produced right.
Um, and there to get people to go that way is just a ser it's a it's a series of small compromises um that moves people from one step to the next step to the next step. And we've seen it um the the the to have that happen in the United States like I was very I'm very very familiar with walking into a store or coffee shop or something overseas and paying very much attention to the cashiers, the people that are around there, seeing if they're using their phones, seeing if they're talking about me, keeping an eye outside, looking for, you know, potential uh aggressors pe like special forces when we were overseas. There was a price on her head um multiple times. Um, so we I could be in any any country overseas and if somebody uh wanted to like you I could be in Qatar, I could be in Jordan, I could be anywhere. Um, and it could just all suddenly happen around me. That's something I grew used to. And so for to see that develop here in the United States where you're reading stories of uh even last night there was a TS what I was said to be a TSA couple that went out to dinner and all of a sudden everybody started forming around around them. They were accosted. There's they got video going from the restaurant to their car. So you have to consider that somebody in that store like it's it's happened to another four gentlemen who were having a business meeting. The cashier or somebody made a phone call into the chat and suggested that these people are there. This is this is a reality for special forces people overseas. Now it's a reality for uh here in the United States. And that is a a really disturbing point. This is something we never wanted when we were what we actually went overseas to stop was the presence of what we were seeing over there occurring here in the United States. I can't tell you how much from an an American, from a veteran's point of view, how much it upsets me to see the things that we said. We told each other we were never going to let that happen in the United States. We went over there to stop it from happening in the United States. And here it is. It's right here, happening in real time. The things that I saw overseas are now here in the United States and happening.
Eric Schwal, go to chwm5132 over on X. go see that that massively viral post that he made and see why I have him on today. And thank you for making the time. I know a lot of people want to talk to you. Let me let me set the scene for what's happening here in San Antonio. And again, we're n we're nationwide, 170 stations, but we're based in San Antonio, Military City, USA. You've got a US representative named Castro. He just I don't think he likes the country. He he is somebody who wants illegal aliens to just stay here. He's somebody who always looks through the lens of being a Hispanic guy himself when that's not what normal Hispanics do. And the reason I bring him up is this. He decides to go online and say that that ICE arrested and detained a 5-year-old child. We know that story is not true. This kid, Liam Kaneo, uh Ramos, his father abandoned him. His father was targeted by ICE. ICE was going to arrest the dad. The dad left him in cold temperatures in Minnesota by himself. ICE protected the kid, tried to give him to his mother, who turned them down twice. So that's the real story. He is now at a detention center with his father in Dilly, Texas. The reason I'm giving you the backstory is Castro has decided to say the 5-year-old was arrested. Not true. The 5-year-old was detained. Not true. Um, the 5-year-old and his father now are at this Dilly, Texas um um ICE facility, detainment center. And Castro and Jasmine Crockett decide we're going to go there and we're going to demand that the father and the son be released and the father to be deported back to Ecuador. They should be released. This is unfair. It's inhumane. It's disgusting. Trump is a Nazi. The reason I bring this up is not just Crockett and Castro who go now. You've got buses of people coming in and the local media is covering. Hundreds of people turned out. No, hundreds of people were busted in to make it look like what Castro is saying and what Crockett are saying is true. Eric, I'm here to tell you, you can trust me. It's verifiably true what I just told you about this 5-year-old. He wasn't arrested or detained or anything like that. Is this an attempt to start an insurgency here? Because later you had the former mayor, you've got the county executive, they're all doing a big rally and a big meeting with hundreds of people just organically showed up to show how horrible ICE is and how horrible Trump is. Is this the beginning of an insurgency?
Um, if I was like again looking at it objectively looking at it from my experience uh I would say it has all the signs and signatures of yes an insurgency or or at least a uh low-level insurgency and until it involves real you know the level of weapons it's not high order uh insurgency you're still in in the the fomenting unrest and and other stages. So, what you're describing, what uh the what the information is is out there, if we were to lay it up against what how an insurgency works, things that it's doing, uh we would say these are the things like on the on the outer perimeter of the insurgency area where you're creating uh and destabilizing the environment uh around it to make it work, to make it a potential success, right? So, um, you know, narrative, counter counternarrative. Uh, it's all going to come down to, uh, who's got the better case, who's got the information. Uh, I'm I won't dispute that, you know, what's coming out from the the, uh, the officers and the, uh, the stuff from the CBP and ICE that are down there. You know, again, support the officers and and have keep faith with them. Um, so it it's he said, she said at this point and they it it's and you again I'm going to go with the government officials who are not not just passively going with the government officials like I'm just a bootlicker or something like that, but again you have to you keep faith with the with the people who are on the ground. Um, as for the the elected leaders that are out there, they're behaving uh they're they're representing their constituents out there and behaving exactly the way their constituents expect them to to behave. Uh whether and I watch like this with Congress and stuff like that, everybody that's elected up there that I can't I'm not a politician. I don't understand politician games. Just the same thing uh as if I was to try to become a radio announcer or if I'm trying to become a doctor. And when I go into that environment, they have their own world. They have their own way of doing things. So how the games that they're playing, it's it's old. It's all old work to them. This is what every politician does. You know, respect the game for what it is, how they're doing it. Uh, and they're going to and the with any with any uh political official, they also have to have that that way to they can throw anything out there and then step aside. And and this is it's it's kind of like an an unfair advantage that you have as a politician when it comes to the First Amendment is you have the ability to say things and you get like kind of a a handwave to sit there and say, "Okay, you can say that a little bit more than anybody else. If if I were to do something like that and create a destabilized environment, cause a whole bunch of friction and pro problems or get somebody killed, I'm responsible for what I say." whereas uh every politician that's out there understands that they've got a a different category of first amendment than say the rest of us.
And it's not fair. It is uh again Eric Schwam go to Schwal 5132 over on X. follow what he's doing. The guy's very smart and I think that he's uncovered something here that a lot of us weren't thinking about and I'm glad there's so much verality on that post because there were a lot of people going what the hell is going on and then you explained what the hell you think is going on. So let me let me throw this out there. How do you put down an insurgency? Before I do that, let me ask you this. How important is the complicity of the media in helping these people? We know that the media in Minneapolis St. Paul is far left. They are absolutely going to going to carry water for walls and his entire team and for Fry. We also know that the local media here in San Antonio has been covering this story incorrectly about this visit to Dilly and about who was there, why they were there, and what happened to this 5-year-old kid. So, how important is that messaging from a an established media?
Um, that the messaging is always important in in any form of insurgency. One of one of the things we used to say overseas is whoever gets the message out first wins, right?
Um, so that's very it's it's a it's a an actual thing in the Middle East. Um, one of the things that we always tried to do before we conducted any operations was have a a message of why, where, everything else that we were doing out there. So we get the the race against the narrative and uh the v the having the the legacy media out there and they have the eye they have the ears of a lot of people uh there's a lot of people who don't have the ability to understand things like X uh which I you I use like as a as a uh analog uh intel collection where I just go through it and just paste through it and I I pick up nuggets of information. And I'm a I'm a trained intel uh collector information and intel analyst. So I can go through it and and pick uh what the information that's out there, who's actual credible, viable, uh who has the veracity of the reporting, they they consistently report well. So the legacy media people have it's a business, you know, and they're successful because they're catering to the people who want to hear from it. And until everybody decides that the legacy media isn't providing credible information, um, they're going to continue to do what they do and they're going to continue to continue to pander to the people who are paying their bills. They're going to provide that information. So, it's up to it's up to uh America to to get to turn on or or become awake, if you will, to the possibility that other information other than the legacy media exists and to actively seek it out. You cannot be a passive. It's it's been a while now and and I will say a lot of America has been asleep at the wheel and just letting the government go and and have faith and trust in them that they're they have their best interests in mind and we can sit there and honestly say that I don't you know, they don't necessarily have our best interests in mind and they've been doing it because we've been asleep. Um, and as an American it's our fault. I take responsibility as a voter for being asleep, for letting things go, for not speaking out, for not becoming active. And one of the things of our constitution, it absolutely requires us to be active participants in our government. My dad uh who passed away in 2020 taught me very, very well. Uh, he was a Democrat, Union carpenter out of Rochester, New York, incredible man, was in World War II. And he taught me to to really love my country, that it is my responsibility to as an American to own a gun, to question my government, to speak freely, all the things that you're supposed to do. And when we haven't been doing that, that's we we open the door for what's happened.
It is Eric Schwam again. Schwam 55 5132 over on X. It's sm. Go follow him. Now, last question. And I appreciate all the time in the access and that amazing uh just the way you spelled it out on X, it made me say, "Wow, we have to talk to this guy." How do you put down an insurgency? We know that it's happening. It looks like all the signs are there in Minneapolis. We don't want some bloody warfare on the streets. How do you stop it? Just beat them at messaging. Uncover, reveal that this really is an infrastructure and this isn't just organic and grassroots.
Uh, like I said, it takes an it takes a organization to put down an organization. And so to really to undo it uh you need to go after to the entire organization and pick it apart and then let the message and the reality of what's of of what's happening on the ground h work its way out through uh providing truth uh providing evidence of that truth presenting that that they we have good people out there as officers that they they are just like everybody else. They put their clothes on in the morning. They kiss their kids goodbye. They're not bad people. They're just implementing uh uh domestic policy the way it was voted. And if once we get those messages out there and we we shut down the counter messaging, not through censorship or anything, but through evidence, reality, and and and really showing people the truth of the matter. Truth is everything. Um, here, but here's one reality you need to keep in mind, and it is the 801010 principle. 10% of the people are going to love you every time. 10% of the people are going to hate you no matter what you do. It's the other 80% that you're actually trying to sway one way or the other. And right and that's the the fight is that 80%. And you're never going to get a total 100%. You're always, like I said, you're always going to have that 10% that hate you. You could give them a million dollars and they're going to complain that you gave it to them in nickels. So it it it comes down to truth and showing people the reality, loving your country, teach waking people up to um the the false realities that they're being presented. Um, and maybe and like and by people and and maybe other organizations or other entities outside the United States who actually want a a failed United States or a weak United States because it benefits them. And I I don't I don't hold it against other countries for for trying to weaken the United States. That's their job. Um, we have a job when we go out overseas as well. Every country is in it for themselves. Um, so hey, it it's happening. You got to be honest with yourself. Expect that there's another organization out there trying to undermine you always.
And counteract it with the truth is so important because that circles us back to where we started today. This new video of Alex Prey kicking and spitting and breaking tail lights and being actively aggressive and actually being a criminal. We watching him, we're watching him commit crimes against law enforcement. That changes the narrative. Suddenly this holier than now and the angel that he was and he was taken too soon and he was a hero protecting a woman. That goes out the window and now I would I would assume that the insurgency has to switch. Okay, he's not our guy anymore. Oh crap, that new video came out. Let's go do something else. I said last question I I I mean it this time.
Do you Is this insurgency coming to an end because people are waking up to what they're seeing and what they're hearing and what they're feeling? They see that there's another side and the other side is probably true.
Uh, I would expect that don't take that off the table that the insurgency is going to end. It's it's going to be it's going to be a constant. There's always going to be pressure. Uh, again like I said just said previously there there's other interested parties that want a a failed or weak United States and they're going to be actively participating. They're going to be sending people like me uh into the United States to who are going to be your cadray, who are going to be your leadership, who they're going to be advisers. They're going to sit there and try to foment unrest. They're going to be doing all those things out there and only through uh the truth are you are you going to come out uh at least you you can bring things down to a below uh threshold that that you're looking to achieve a lower threshold.
I love it. It's uh retired US Army CW4 Green Beret Eric Schwam. Go and follow him. Schwalam 5132 over on X. Amazing to talk with you. Let's do it again, my friend. Uh such incredible knowledge. Thank you for doing it.
And my pleasure. Absolutely. All right, my man. That's it for Unshaken and Unafraid with Joe Pags. This time, another one to drop very soon.