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Welcome to Beyond Belief. I'm George Noory, and before I introduce our special guests for this program, special thanks to all of you who continue to watch and support us on Beyond Belief dot com. It is one of the world's fastest-growing internet-based television programs, and it only has happened because of you. Our special guest, Gregg Braden, who is an author, scientist, researcher, explorer, and an expert, of course, of human origin. His one of his latest works, The God Code. There's something very special about that. Greg, welcome back to the shores.
It's an honor to be here, and I'm really excited to talk about this, this material. I love you. I've always loved your work. I mean, it's just thought-provoking. How did this all start for you? Let's go back to the beginning.
Go back to the beginning. We're filming in Denver, Colorado, and it began right here in Denver, Colorado, or in the Rocky Mountain area. Huh. I was, our viewers don't know this, behind the scenes, I worked in the defense industry during the last years of the Cold War. A very frightening time, indeed, in the history of our, our world, when the two superpowers at the time did the unthinkable and actually created, they, they spent the, the energy, the manpower, the resources, the technology to create the weapons to microwave the earth many times over in the event of a nuclear war. Everyone heard that was during that time. George, I was, I mean, if you could imagine, I found myself working behind the scenes, supporting, writing software for the missile program, supporting that, that effort by day. And by night, ever since I was young, I've been a scholar of some of our most ancient and cherished spiritual traditions and some of the most mysterious texts of our past. And I have felt for a very long time, George, that if we knew where to look in the past, that we would find the key and perhaps a message from our ancestors that would help us to transcend the differences that have led to the great wars of the 20th and now the first century, and at that time, the kind of war that I was supporting. So it was during that time that began a search and a research of comparative traditions, helping us to understand our origins, because my, again, my thinking was, if, if we could find a way to show beyond any reasonable doubt, beyond the superficial outward demonstrations, that we are actually, we are one. And for some people, it's a very new age sounding hope or wish, but I think there's a lot of power in showing that that unification is, is possible, helping us to, to transcend those differences. So my journey began to take me back into older and older and older texts, cutting through the red tape and we're almost obsessed with in the religions.
Well, I would say passionate. I prefer passion over it. My wife would probably say I was obsessed. Yeah. Because the clues, every time I would find the clue, George, and I think, okay, maybe this is it. And then it's not going to go anywhere else. It would open the door to something, another word, is something else. And that led me from the textbooks onto a series of journeys. My first journey was in Egypt in 1986. And what I found in Egypt on the temple walls led me into the highlands of, of the Andes Mountains of southern Peru, which directed me right into the Tibetan Plateau and the temples and the monasteries in Tibet. As a scientist, my thinking is, if I'll speak about myself personally, if I can find the information least disturbed by the modern world, that's where it will be most intact. And to go to those places, well, you've got to make the effort to get there. There's some of the most magnificent, beautiful, remote, isolated, pristine places remaining on the world. Did I say remote, by the way? Because, because they are. But that's in the monasteries, in the nunneries, where many of these texts are preserved, and they've been largely forgotten.
It's really amazing tests.
Well, they are. So, so as I began my search, my thinking was, if we could really pin down our origins, you know, the, the science, the best science of the 21st century is now overturning so many of Darwin's ideas. And by the way, Darwin was open to that. He was willing for his ideas to fall. He, he viewed them as stepping stones toward greater understandings. So Darwin was okay with that. And I began to see a connection in the texts that was not accounted for in the theories of evolution. And it is a connection that is very controversial today. Now, Darwin didn't have access to the tools and the technology. He certainly didn't have the DNA databases, nor do we have anything. So this is, this is where I began. Part of my job in software development was in writing pattern recognition software, and I've searched patterns ever since I was equated to this. Sure. It comes very naturally for me. I used to, you know, look at patterns on flashing patterns on blinking lights on Christmas trees. And I mean, you see them everywhere. So I thought, if there are patterns in nature, and we are, we are nature, they should show up in our DNA. It was in the '80s when the DNA databases, we could actually begin to access them without being part of the research from projects. So to make a long story really brief, what I found was in one of the most obscure and ancient of the texts, a book called The Sefer Yetzirah.
What was that?
This is a Hebrew text that has only been translated a couple of times by a couple of authors into English. It's so mysterious, George, that very few scholars even want to talk about because they don't know what to say about it. It's a brief text, it's only about 2,000 lines. All right. And it is written as if an observer were present the day that the creator created the humankind, step by step. However, it's written in the language. It doesn't make a lot of sense.
Is it like Genesis or totally different?
It's very different from Genesis. I think Genesis probably partially derived from this text. This Sefer Yetzirah, which means the book of creation. It literally translates to the book of creation. So it was as if someone were watching the creator actually create the first, what he did, doing what he did. But it is not written scientifically. The bottom line to what the text is saying is that through language, humankind was created. And that that doesn't make a lot of sense, Lane.
If you take it literally, though?
As I began to follow the instructions as the author created them in this text, in this, George, this is to me, this is the power of transcending the boundaries between science and spirituality. Because if a scientist only looked at the elements of life, you'd never make this discovery. If you only look at the spiritual text, you would never make this discovery. But it's by blending the two together and allowing them to tell the story. So we today, at modern science, we talk about life as, as the result of elements, and we describe elements through word and through number. So we have the periodic table, for example. Hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, carbon, makes up the DNA of our bodies. Those are the words. And for every one of those words, there are a lot of numbers that may be applied. There are 17 different numeric parameters that go with each of those. So put that aside. When you go back into the ancient texts, and the Sefer Yetzirah specifically, they did exactly the same thing. They talked about the power of the letters of very specific alphabets. Now, it doesn't make a lot of sense to modern scholars until we begin to understand that every ancient alphabet, bar none, that I have found so far, has always, from day one, with each letter, have a number, a mysterious number associated with the letters. We don't know where the numbers came from. They never change. They are owed. They are union. It's a unique numeric code. The study of that code is called gematria. And it was actually formalized, the lost 32 laws of gematria were formed in the second century. They were formalized in the second century. And the only way gematria works is, is you cannot deviate from these laws. There are specific laws that apply to the numbers. So our ancestors were also talking about using words and numbers. So they have the letters of the alphabet and this mysterious number. We're using the periodic table. We've got a whole bunch of numbers. Sorry. My job was to find out which of those numbers equates to the numbers in the ancient alphabets. And if I could do that, my thinking was, it would be possible to look at human DNA, carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, nitrogen, and different combinations of that, and substitute the ancient letters for the numbers based upon this correlation. This, in retrospect, it was simple. But not knowing that, it took years. Took me 12 years.
And you broke it?
To find what we now know is that the atomic mass of the elements, the numbers of the atomic mass, are the numbers that equate to the mysterious letters in the ancient alphabets. What that means is, when you look at human DNA, or the DNA, DNA of any life, it is made of hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, carbon. And using gematria, the numbers that equate to those become 1, 5, 6, and 3. 3 is with the carbon. And when you then take a table, one of the ancient tables, and you're able to to correlate those numbers with the letters, what we find, George, is that the human DNA is, is our genome is built in, in layers. And at the top layers, it's like every book has an introduction. The introduction in every cell of every form of life, the carbon-based DNA, the introduction is the same. And the first translation literally reads, "Literal God eternal within the body." Hmm. "God eternally within the body." And God that is depicted in DNA is actually spelled the way that the name of God was spelled in the ancient text before it was removed 6,800 times in the Torah, for example. The, the sacred name of God is believed to be so sacred, it cannot be written in its entirety. Why put it in a code? You know, this was so. First, as a scientist, weird, I have to say this. Is this, people say, why is the code there? And I say, I don't know. All I know is that when I followed the instructions in a 3,000-year-old text and I applied it to the periodic table, this was, this is what we have. Next question is, coincidence? So our Sokka Winston ran the numbers for me. And the odds of this happening by chance are one to 234,256. Yeah. 234,256 to one, or the, or 0.00041 percent. Right. Those are the odds that this is an, it's just, just random. You just ran them. Now, those aren't astronomical odds. I thought it might be like 1 in a bajillion. You know, but when you take into account, there's no line. Not only is the language there, but when you take into account what the words say, that those words actually have meaning, "God eternal within them." They all say that. The first letter in all human DNA, if you can look at the, what's called the, the genetic code, C, T, A, G, every one of those is made up of combinations of carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, nitrogen. And they, they are arranged, I want to be really technical when I talk about this, but they're, they're arranged different numbers of carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, nitrogen atoms. So within each of the DNA bases that make our DNA as it is, there are different combinations of C, T, A, G that break down the different combinations of "God eternal within the body." And the God within ourselves, within our DNA, is literally the, the same spelling of the, the God that was taken from those texts. Now, here's the beauty. I just have to say this right. My first fear was, I found it in the Hebrew language, and I said, does that mean, could it actually be divisive if it only is found in one language? And when the research went to its fruition, what we found is it is in Hebrew, and Aramaic, and Sanskrit. Three of the root languages. The same thing. Exactly the same thing. So in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Sanskrit, the, the code for those letters translates precisely the same in the human DNA. That's the first layer.
In your opinion, that slogan "God eternal was in the body," what did that mean?
What it tells me is, because the odds of that happening by chance are astronomical, are steep, it tells me there's an intentionality. Now, who or what, I don't know the answer to that. But that tells me that that the DNA, the way it's formed, is, it is intentional. And then I began to think, in our modern world, we're creators. We're artists. Whenever we create something that we're proud of, what's, when we're finished, what's the last thing we do when we finish it, George? You tell me.
Where does the last thing we do is something we finish?
About painting? And what's the last thing we do? We finish that painting. You sign it. We put our name on it. If there's an intentionality underlying life itself, in human life specifically, it would make tremendous sense to me that who or whatever is responsible would somehow have left a sign.
Is it God's signature?
I believe that. We define that. Whoever, whatever we believe that Creator is. Then my next question is, why not put it into a text or into a temple wall? And then my thinking was, why place that signature into something that can crumble over a few thousand years, like a temple wall, or into the pages of a book that can be destroyed? Why not put it in the creation itself? And as long as the creation exists, the message exists as well. I published this in 2004. Even though the research was incomplete, it was complete to that point, and I wanted to share this with the world. 2007, Japanese scientists released a report, peer-reviewed report, on the feasibility of storing data in DNA for thousands of years. And what they were looking at is, is bacteria. They were looking at storing information in bacteria and placing the bacteria in nuclear waste, for example, and lovey its, and letting it sit there because the papers might descend, degrade, or something else might happen. But if they could do it. So 2007, huh, was the first time they successfully implanted a message into the DNA of a bacteria. And they used bacteria because they have a short lifespan, so they could see how many generations. You know, for a bacteria, the generations maybe just a few days. So the, the code they put into the DNA, it was adult say, it was the same thing.
Know, is Einstein's theory of relativity where in the year 1905 they encoded that into the DNA?
They allowed it in the DNA to replicate for 25 generations with that code, with the code. They pulled the code right outside, completely intact. So what they're, they're now demonstrating purely in the scientific realm is the feasibility of storing literal information in the, in the genome, in the DNA, and it remains intact for as long as the organism remains intact.
Well, here's the puzzling part. If you put a code in there, you're doing it for one of several reasons. One, you're hiding it, or two, you're trying to pass information on to some future generation. So let's assume that that's what that is. When we extract it and we get that code, what do we do with it? What's it mean?
I think it depends on what the code says. Now, we know, and the work is progressing from this point, and in 2015, another layer will have been completely decoded. And hopefully, you and I can have this conversation, and I'll share what, what we find next. The, the point is that there is a message encoded into the DNA of all human life that tells us beyond any reasonable doubt that the differences that divide us now are superficial differences, like we have a common origin, a common ancestry. I was, I was doing a conference in the DC area, and I made the statement and I said, I would love to get my hands on some DNA from life that's not from this world. And if it's carbon-based life, and if the message is the same, then we know that we have a common, a common goal, a common goal. And would be exciting.
Well, there's a man that came forward and said, when you're ready for that DNA, let me know.
Hey, don't know. Maybe from some Martian meteorite, right? There's, you know, we don't know. We don't know. But you can look to take him up on it. I'm really calling from your cell phone number, George. Not for my cell phone. Block your number. I'm not ready for that yet.
When we were developing the algorithms, and they're very complex algorithms now, to help look at the DNA in, in new ways. So here we are. We come full circle. We are at this, this crisis point in civilization when we're facing more and more crises of such great energy, for that I can remember, based on our division, on our separation. And if some way, if there is some way that we could bring forward, in a really powerful, meaningful way, something that casts an entire new light on us as a family, and what that family means, I think it would be, it would give us a reason to look at things differently. It doesn't mean it would force us to. It means it would give us a scientific reason to look at one another and think of ourselves very differently. I know for myself, once I found this code, I felt differently about myself, knowing that within every cell of my body, "God eternal." It's why HVG are the Hebrew letters YH, yah, is actually one of the forms of the name of God that we find in the Torah that was removed over 6,100.
Did it baffle you as to who put the code there?
I've always, I've sensed there's an intentionality. Problem regarding us. And when we go to look now, at Darwin's idea of evolution, 2,000 years ago, we appeared on this earth. We don't know where we came from. And what made us different from so many other forms of life was human chromosome number two, the largest, that had been fused with two telomere to telomere fusions. Geneticists acknowledge the fusion. They say, we can't say how it happened, but they know what happened. And it did not happen under natural circumstances. They said, this would not happen in nature. Something has has forced this chromosome, or this telomere to telomere fusion between these two chromosomes. So I think what we're getting, George, is, is we've had a sense, so many people, if there's much more to us than evolution has led us to believe. Doesn't mean that evolution didn't occur. As a scientist, I can say it did, to a point. But there's a point where evolution does not explain our existence and cannot account for what we find. And I think this study, this kind of work, where we're crossing the traditional boundaries between science and spirituality. So a scholar studying the text would never find this. A scientist, a scientist looking at the elements in the periodic table or geneticists, we'd never find it because their compartment was. You need a combination. But the world doesn't work that well. So we are gifting ourselves the ability to see the world as it is, through what the world is sharing with us, if we're open enough. But the science has to be rigid, that it has to be based upon what science is telling us. So the, the periodic table describes the elements that make the DNA in our bodies. There's a mathematical link between that and the, the letters of the ancient alphabets. How that link got there, who put it there, I have no idea.
As I was flying here, Greg, from Los Angeles to Denver, and I'm looking around the plane, and there's all these people sitting on the plane, and it just dawns on me, and I do this a lot. Every one of them is an individual. They've got their own little situation, their problems, their happiness, their families. Every one of them. But the question I kept asking myself as I looked at this entire plane full of people, why? Hmm. What's the reason? What are they here for? Some had briefcases, some had purses, some had tablets. Who are they? What are they? I still can't get that answer. You, of course, have brought up a series of six questions in one of our previous shows that asks those questions too. But will we ever get that answer? Why are we here?
I think we will get the answer, George. The question is, will we be willing to accept what the answer says, too? Is it frightening? I don't think it's frightening. We've asked science to tell us who we are, and they don't tell us. Well, science, pure science, is now revealing the information. It's not being accepted in the mainstream. So the textbooks in the classrooms are not accepting what the science is.
What does it tell, for example, evolution? Just take evolution, then, because that, that's on a lot of people's minds right now. In public classroom, a teacher can only teach the curricula that's been approved by a school board, right?
All right. The school can't deviate. The school board does not accept that. Even though it's peer-reviewed science, if a school board does not accept that, it cannot be taught. So we're teaching our, teacher gets fired, or the teacher gets fired. Yeah. We're teaching our young people the story of separation that has led to so many of the crises that we're seeing. It makes us feel separate from ourselves, from, from one another. And I've asked professors and friends of mine, I said, why, why can't you share this in the classroom? Why can't, why can't you share the sign of? They're petrified to share this.
Aren't they? For money, ego, power, in the habit? Yeah.
And, and one of those, one of the professors, he said, do you know, is it a male? He said, do you know what that would mean to my 40-year career if I had to stand in front of a classroom and say, everything I've taught to this point is no longer true? So to him, it would say he was a failure. What I said to him, I said, it would be a beautiful demonstration of the power of science in your ability to constantly update what science is telling us about our world. He said, do you know how much money it would cost to change the textbooks? And I said, well, you know, let me look. How much money do we spend on the war? So, you know, why habit? He said, you know, we, it is a habit to teach, to teach this now. It is changing, and it's changing slowly, Georgian. And this is only one place. Evolution is only one place. But that, it's the place that's directly relevant to the God Code.
Will we get that answer? Correct. Why are we here?
I think we will find that the evidence of the circumstances, the actual reason, I think, is something that we have to find for ourselves. I think we're individually, individually. I think, I think that's what we're going to find. A good friend of mine was watching the movie The Matrix. I know a lot of our great person loved it. Well, it's excited that on the radio show a lot. I love it as well. It's one that I have by the TV, and when I'm writing into the wee hours of the morning, there's two movies. I don't watch them all the way through, but I want act in Matrix. You know how you know that? Because it's the same with me. I don't watch them all the way through, but I like the part where they solve the codes, because I think there's a lot to that. And we know where does that come from anyway? So my friend said, you think it's science fiction? He said, Matrix is actually a documentary about us. Yeah. And, and the way things work in the world. So it may be that by working backward through the code, we do arrive at the doorstep of an architect.
Is it, if you could get an answer to one question, what would that question be?
I think it's the question we're asking right now. Why us? Why here? Why now? There's another branch of work that that this follows up on, and it is the study of whether or not we are living in a simulation or virtual reality. And there is a degree course in one of the large turn universities in philosophy that you can take. And in the title of the course is, "Are We Living a Simulation?" And to make a long story very brief, what they do is they took a very complex computer algorithm, plugged in all kinds of variables about human population and trajectories and economies and families and religious beliefs, all, you know, all about life. And the bottom line is, there's over a 93% chance that we are living a simulation. Now, if you step into a simulation, a virtual environment, at Disneyland, you can do that today and not even really know that that's where you are. And we've only had computers about 60 years. If you take the archeology that's showing the existence of advanced technological civilizations thousands of years, where would we be if we had thousands of years of computer science to build that kind of our key, that kind of simulation? And the question comes, why would we do this? And the answer for me is that every simulation is built to help the people in the simulation become very well adapted to somewhere that they're going to be when the simulation no longer exists. The simulation is a safe place to make mistakes and learn. That power. If we are, in fact, on Earth, living a simulation, and, and our most cherished traditions tell us that we're on our way somewhere else, this isn't it. This is an illusion. This is temporary. You know, in general, they say that. And then I think we have to look at what those traditions are telling us, and they're teaching us about our relationship to reality, to, to quantum reality, to emotions, and emotions of the heart, to create and heal in our bodies and the world around us. And if we master those, maybe that's what this simulation is all about. "God eternal within the body." May be the architect that has helped to create this simulation.
Ever get frustrated that we don't have the answers?
I don't, George. I don't. Because what it tells me is, when, what I've come to understand is that when we are truly ready for that information, it's right there. Sometimes, this is a perfect example. This, this has been around, you know, for 200,000 years. It's only when, only to be discovered though, by those who look, or when our technology reaches the point that it gives us the tools.
Sure.
We'll take a peek. It's almost like that code we sent out on one of the Viking craft, right? Yeah. Which Stephen Hawking said, don't do, because he's afraid that they'll come here, and he's not so sure they're very benevolent. Yeah. That it was interesting. I actually talked about that code in the book, The God Code.
What is it that we said? Who did we write it to? And how it finds it? And how would it be interpreted? And how?
So it makes perfect sense to me. If we are the product of the intentional, an intentional creation, that the creator, who or whatever that is, would somehow leave a mark, letting us know when we have the ability to define that. That is brilliant. And I can't think of a more honoring way to honor who or what that creator is, than to take that code, read it, and maybe communicate back the other way. And I think we, we are on our way to doing this. I think so.
Greg, thanks for being on.
No, George, thank you for you. So enlightening. You really are. You're doing this from a different perspective to just about everything we've talked about over the years. I appreciate. I appreciate you. Thank you.
You know, as we've talked, do we get that answer? Who are we? Why are we here? Sometimes I wonder, you know, maybe we won't get that answer, but we'll continue striving for it, and I think that'll make us a better person. I'm George Noory, and this is Beyond Belief.
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