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Hello, Ralph.
Hey, Mark. Did you introduce me before as a leading expert on first cousin marriage? Did I get that right?
Well, you're an expert on everything as far as I'm concerned.
Well, that's very kind of you.
I've got another thing to say. If you were my first cousin, I'd marry you.
Oh my god. Oh my god. I think we definitely need a law against that.
Only because you're so handsome. Alyssa Ralph, let's talk about this. Great to see you again. Um, I want to get to cousin marriage shortly, but can I just talk to you about censorship because it comes in different forms, doesn't it? Sometimes you're banned from things because you have the wrong views, but quite often it's more subtle where you're not invited. And that looks to have happened to Nigel Farage, who has not appeared on the BBC's flagship interview show, Desert Island Discs. This is a guy who won four and a half, five million votes at the last general election. He's the guy behind Brexit. He's the most consequential politician of his generation. And so that's a form of censorship, isn't it? Not being invited.
No, absolutely. And you see the same happening all over the place. I mean in Germany for example they did a recent study how often members of the AFD right the alternative futiland the alternative for Germany are invited on the major talk shows and uh they they are dead last which is funny because in almost every talk show they talk about the AFD so we are reaching this very interesting new phenomenon where we constantly talk about the and I'm using scary quotes here far right or extreme far right but we barely ever see a a me a supposed member of them or anybody who could speak on their behalf on on the relevant talk shows. So no, you're absolutely right. That is a form of censorship. I mean, it's just with the news, right? The people you invite, the news issues you pick to report about. I mean, this of course in itself can be biased, and very often it is.
Well, most definitely. Have you appeared on Julia Hartley Brewer's show on this network, Ralph?
Uh, not in a while, but I have in the past quite regularly. Why am I being censored, too?
She won't have you. She doesn't like Austrians or German. No, I'm joking. Of course.
That is a lie.
That's what
That's fake news.
That is definitely fake. No, because it was really interesting because um I was talking to Julia a few weeks ago and she raised this issue about the BBC and she told me, Ralph, that she used to be a regular on shows like Have I Got News for You, which is a comedy show here in the UK, news satire. And her view is that actually organizations like the BBC, which have probably a sort of leftist bias, a sort of progressive leaning, won't invite you on to these shows because they're worried you'll be too good. You will make sense. You will say things that the audience agree with. You will come over well and undermine their narrative. No, I think that's very true because one of the weapons that the right at the moment tends to be not all the time to be better than the left is that they have a better sense of humor. I mean, look at all the late night shows and the supposed comedy shows. What they try to elicit these days is clap, right? I mean, they want the audience is supposed to to clap but not to laugh because what makes you laugh, Mark, right? What what you know what makes you giggle? If something is being said and then you it's like a sneeze. You have an involuntary reaction. And this happens mostly if it is something that you're not supposed to say. But we are increasingly living in a society where we are being told there's like a million things you're not supposed to talk about. And the first thing that that dies is comedy. So it's it's kind of funny that the counterculture is now the conservative movement and the self-declared counterculture is actually the mainstream. I always find this very entertaining.
Most definitely. And I'm happy for there to be left-wing comedians on TV, right-wing comedians on center ground, people who are not political at all. But what's interesting, Ralph, now is you have what I would call regime comedians who are there to protect the political status quo. I would give us examples, not just the BBC, Desert Island Discs, and also have I got news for you, which we're going to be discussing later with the Hamiltons because they had a discussion about reform. from UK and Restore and it was sneering, arrogant and dismissive. But you've seen it in the United States with late night talk show hosts who you mentioned who have shifted left and their opening monologues are no longer jokes. It is a lecture. People aren't laughing, they're clapping and those shows are getting record low figures. The public aren't interested.
Of course, because nobody likes to be lectured if they expect to be entertained. I mean, I can just recommend to any of your viewers, I mean, look TV shows, um, look at TV shows in the UK and the US, you know, from the 90s and even the early 2000s. I mean, you watch them, you watch something as innocent as Friends, and there will be jokes where you say, "You could no longer say this today, right? One of the the most innocent innocent TV sitcoms ever being made. We've we've become a very boring age. I have to admit like everything that's supposedly eccentric transgenderism and you know LGBTQ is actually kind of boring and it's even more boring because nobody's really allowed to make fun of it. So that you know the new joke is is more or less you know whatever you know how many how many drag queens does it take to change a light bulb and the answer is that's not funny and this is kind of the world that we live in.
Friends please don't even mention it. It's far right now.
Oh yeah it's horrible right? I mean they actually make gay jokes you know oh my god you can't do this I mean as I said or or you know the real fun is playing with stereotypes but we are we are supposed to pretend there is no such thing as stereotypes so what are you supposed to make fun of it's it's except of course you know the middle-aged white male you know this is it's and which is fine by me you can make fun about bold Austrian guys with German accents all day long because I have a sense of humor but most people on the left don't
well I did insult you Ralph and I used a hurty word which is I accidentally used the G word which is German. I'd like to apologize.
Yeah. Well, you also you also called me the world's leading expert on first cousin marriage. I have to put this on my business card but uh
well listen you are an expert on these cultural issues which is why you have a very big audience online with your podcast Hammer Time all of your videos your appearances on this network and many others. Let's talk about first cousin marriage and cousin marriage. So I understand that there is either a law that's coming or it's already happened, but Sweden are looking at banning cousin marriage. What's your reaction to that?
Well, my reaction is the same as it was after the the Southport stabbing, right? Where all of a sudden you had this discussion about banning knives? The reason why first cousin marriage is legal in Austria, why it's still legal in Sweden, I think it is at least partially, it's still legal in the UK, is because nobody nobody did it, right? this this you know you might has the the the odd couple from somewhere who did it but it was nothing where the lawmakers had to jump into action because it happened so rarely but if you now have entire communities where I think 60 or 65% of marriages are between first cousins where you then of course have the consequential health consequences then all of a sudden right you need a law for it but these are and this is the big problem all over the west we now constantly have to create laws so the state can manage the fatal experiment of multiculturalism, right? We will need laws against polygamy. We need laws against first cousin marriage. We need laws against stabbings in the streets. We didn't need this in the past because we were a civilized society where many things were simply intuitively known, right? There were things you simply did not do. And if somebody at the fringes did it, right, you could afford some tolerance. But if it's 60 65%, you can no longer afford this. This is like another one of these elements what I always used to say where our societies are actually regressing in a civilizational sense which is one of the reasons if you allow me to be a little bit more provocative why I think that in certain cases we have to return to the death penalty right this thing if your civilizational level is declining then your kind of punishment to kind of get back to civilization has to increase I'm very sorry to say this I mean it hurts me but we brought this our leaders if you want those in charge you know the Boris Johnson's the Tony Blair who by the way is currently making a 180 on all of these issues quite surprisingly um um they brought this upon us and you know I'm I'm sure that our next generation will be dancing on their graves and justifiably so
most definitely and there are people Ralph who have horrible awful opinions but history demonstrates it's better to air those opinions so they can be condemned debated and dismissed
but we don't do this anymore right this is the big problem once again with Islamization because you can no longer openly mock, debate them and whatnot. What I always find so entertaining and what I love the English and the British for like when you had this very small, you know, Oswald Mosley fascist movement in the 1920s and 1930s, everybody was making fun of him. The reason why fascism never get a foot down on the ground in the UK is because you mocked it endlessly. But you cannot mock Islam in the United in the United Kingdom because you put your life at risk. So what you were just saying that you know we have to to air all these views and then we can debate them. No, there are certain things you cannot debate because then you're Islamophobic that's the best case or you'll be killed in the worst case.
Most definitely. And Ralph on this issue of cousin marriage. I remember when we had this debate about a year ago and many of my viewers and listeners didn't realize that it was legal. There was an assumption that it wasn't legal but it does happen. What do you think about the idea of a ban of the state intervening in that way?
Well, as I said, as a general rule, when it happens very very rarely, as it did in the past, which is why nobody was thinking about it, I think it's fine to keep it legal. But once again, the reason why we want to outlaw it, it's the same debate in Germany and Austria, is because you now have an entire segment of the population that does it, you know, more than 50, 60, 65%. But this bothers me so much because two people falling in love who happen to be cousins. This is by design. This is a cultural practice.
Oh, and by the way, as a final point, it's not going to it's not going to work because then they just going to get, you know, married abroad in Pakistan and they're going to come back. So this idea, it's the same they tried in Egypt to ban female general mutilation and the the effect was that from 90% of the girls being mutilated, it went up to 95%. So this idea that you can can just simply outlaw something that people want to do, particularly if they don't respect your laws and if they don't respect your values and traditions, it's not going to work. So cousin marriage will go on. You just have a law against it that nobody's going to obey.
Let's talk about Europe. It's a continent I love. It's a continent that we all inhabits because it's easy to forget that the UK is an absolutely critical part of this continent. Can Europe be saved, Ralph? because you've told me in the past that when it comes to our civilization, our democracy, our society, it's 5 to midnight metaphorically. What are your latest thoughts on the future of this once great continent?
Well, I stand by what I said, right? I think it's it's still not too late, but of course, the longer you wait, the more difficult and the harsher the regression to the mean or to the know to the reasonable center, whatever you want to call it, is going to be. But I'm just, and I'm no fan of Tony Blair. I don't want your viewers to misunderstand me, but I'm quoting Tony Blair. He wrote in his most recent article for the Tony Blair Institute. By all means necessary, right? You have to do something against illegal migration. Now, for me, all means necessary includes also the concept of remigration. And this has to happen. I mean, you saw it in in the elections. Now, if you look at the polls from reform to restore, this is still the dominant issue in the UK and I would argue all over the west because the first step before you can reform your country is you have to save your country and migration is the existential question that comes before everything else.
Most definitely. And actually uh a story crossed my path yesterday and it is the uh prospective president of France. Bard Bardello his name is Is that right?
Bardella.
Bardella. Right. And uh this is the guy that would be uh would would be a presidential um hopeful in France. He backs Nigel Farage's immigration policy and his efforts to stop the boats. and he has said that France will join in efforts to stop those boat crossings. So change is coming potentially.
I mean generally this is a good thing but I would say that at the end of the day migration policy is something that at least to some extent every country has to decide for itself. I assume the UK managed to defend its borders or you know to prevent an invasion by Nazi Germany in the 30s and the 40s. So I assume they can also stop small boats coming from France. This issue has always been a lack of will, never a lack of feasibility. I think that's very important. The open borders policy was an open borders policy and you have to replace it with a closed borders policy. But I think that the political and the cultural and the commentary establishment is yet not willing to say it and ultimately to do it. So once this changes right, I think we can actually have have meaningful reform, a meaningful change. But that's the big issue. Uh many thanks to my first cousin twice removed Ralph. Thanks Mark Venbald. Thank you so much for your time. Really appreciate it. Love having you on the show. Ralph Shaw Hammer political theorist. Do check out Hammer Time. Unmissable stuff.