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Mr. Thanee: Hello, Mr. Go.
Mr. Go: Hello.
Mr. Thanee: Mr. Woranai Wanika, he is an expert in many matters. I had a conversation with him off-the-record and learned that he is interested in politics and has knowledge of the geopolitics of the China-US conflict. I have studied this matter for many years, so I want to share with Mr. Go that, in reality, I see the United States as the current world power.
But it now has a real challenger, which is China. Now, we have discussed this many times in many clips, but what I want to look deeper into is that the Anglo-Saxons are a race with profound depth in ruling the world since the time of England, and it has been passed on to America. Now, China is the Han race, right, in the East. Now it is starting to have power to challenge the race called Anglo-Saxons, which has been passed down since the era of Queen Victoria, and they are skilled in naval matters. What I mean is that they have ruled the seas for hundreds of years.
Now, Americans are also like the sea, meaning they have a strong navy and the potential to be pirates, right? I want to say the word 'pirate' a bit, meaning pirates who constantly plunder various assets from travelers, especially in the past 100 years, China has been plundered a lot. As for when Iran is being plundered, I asked him what he thinks about America ruling the world with China as a challenger, what will the future be like? Please.
Mr. Go: Yes, I agree that America rules the world and the challenger is China, but I think this is a very normal thing in the history of this human world. From ancient times, we can count from when great powers met great powers and had to challenge each other, from Greece and Persia, Rome and Parthia, Pisa and Saxony, and also England and France, England and Germany. Coming to the Cold War, it was the United States and the Soviet Union. Now, in the present, it is the United States and China.
Therefore, having two great powers challenging each other for dominance is a normal part of human civilization. So, what we see now is something that has happened repeatedly throughout history. I don't know how to solve this problem because it is just how it is. But for the current problem, let's start with this: the US rules the world. We need to understand why the US rules the world, and we can also analyze what to do if the US doesn't rule the world.
The US's world dominance, uh, Mr. Thanee just mentioned Anglo-Saxons, I really like that because we are talking about culture and history. The current world is a world created by the West, specifically Western Europe. For the past 700 years, Western Europe has created the present world we live in. Starting from, in Western Europe, since the Middle Ages, in the Middle Ages in Western Europe, their culture was religion, belief. You have God in heaven, you have the Pope among humans on this earth, and you have kings of each country.
Kings could be kings because the Pope legitimized their kingship. The Pope had the power to legitimize kings because the Pope was the representative of God. So, old Western European society was really just like this. But, around the 14th century, there was a change, which could be called a Cultural Revolution. A revolution in thought, a philosophy emerged called humanism. Not God-ism, not Pope-ism, not King-ism, but humanism.
This idea was the idea that all of us humans can rule the world, humans can determine their own lives, humans can point to their own future. This led to the Renaissance era, the Renaissance era where we had Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and so on. And from the Renaissance, when it came to the 15th century, it became the era of Western European exploration, or you could call it something else, not an era of exploration, but an era of colonialism.
Then from the 15th century, when it came to the 16th century, the Scientific Revolution began, which was a revolution in science, the invention of all sorts of things. When it reached the 18th century, it was the Enlightenment era, an era of intellectual flourishing. In Western Europe, every subject, every branch, whether it was mathematics, astronomy, science, literature, or whatever, was very brilliant. Everything was very bright. And then when it came to the 19th century, there were many revolutions in Western Europe to change the government.
All of this led to that point. We had many great powers in Europe: England, Germany, Russia, and others, but the most important was England. England was the first great power of the modern world, the first great power of the modern world to rule the world. Why did England rule the world first? Because the British Navy controlled every sea and every ocean on this planet.
The British Navy controlled everything. The Spanish Navy couldn't fight them, the French couldn't fight them, the Russians couldn't fight them. That's why there's the phrase 'Britannia rules the waves.' Britannia is England, rules is to govern, waves are the sea waves. Britannia, England, ruled all the sea waves. Now, after World War 1 and World War 2, England lost its power. When World War 2 ended, America inherited that power, and the world was divided into two poles: the United States and the Soviet Union, in the Cold War.
After the Cold War ended in the early 90s, late 80s, right? The Berlin Wall fell, and the world changed to the world we live in today, which began with the US as the sole superpower in the 90s. But when it entered the 2000s, China started to grow continuously until now, China is the number 2 superpower challenging the power of the number 1 superpower. So, this is a brief history of why the US is currently the superpower of this world.
Mr. Thanee: Yes, what we will discuss today is this: will number 1 and number 2 fight, or will they join hands to create world peace and global prosperity? This is a long game, a game of diplomacy, a game of war. Most recently, Xi Jinping met with Donald Trump, met with Putin, and one thing emerged: China and Russia joined hands tightly and clearly stated they would oppose the United States.
C2, they clearly said it would be a trap that Trump could pass. Xi Jinping said we join hands, we have common peace, we will create a new world with a new world order, which will no longer have a single world leader; it will be a multipolar world. Now, this multipolar world is something the US probably won't like because it is already a unipolar world power. Who are you to tell them not to divide their cake? That's when conflict will immediately arise. I ask Mr. Go, do you think America will step down from its number 1 position to a general position, meaning, simply put, there will be many equal poles, not 1, 2, 3, 4? Now, will the American pole be equal to the China-Russia pole, like many equal poles? Will they accept that?
Mr. Go: No, in this world, no rich person will agree to become poor, no one with a lot of power will agree to have less power. Therefore, America will never agree to lose its position as the number 1 superpower. But America's unwillingness to yield doesn't mean that one day number 1 and number 2 must fight. I don't see why America and China would fight.
The reason is that World War 3 would be the final war for humanity, a Final War, because no humans would be left, as both superpowers have immense nuclear arsenals. If one presses the button, the other presses the button, and the whole world dies. Therefore, I believe China and the US will never fight directly, a full-scale war, just as the US and the Soviet Union never fought, because if they fought, it would be the end of the world. Instead, it will be fought through proxy wars, letting others fight on their behalf, proxy wars.
We might see that the current Iran conflict is one such proxy war. If the US enters the fight, China will not, just like during the Cold War. Whichever war the US entered, the Soviet Union would not enter, but would provide weapons and money from behind. For example, in the Afghanistan war, the Soviet Union entered the fight, America did not, but it sent weapons and money to the Mujahideen forces, the liberation forces of the Muslims, right? So, I think they won't fight, and I hope they won't fight, because if they do, we won't be sitting here talking like this anymore.
But if they don't fight a conventional war, a serious war, it doesn't mean they aren't fighting, because fighting has many dimensions: financial warfare, economic warfare, fighting to win over other countries as allies, as partners. This is what America and China have been fighting over for the past 10+ years. But what will this fighting lead to? We need to return to the issue of superpower status first.
Why is America superpower number 1? Because of economics and finance. We [clears throat] trade on this world using the US dollar. That is America's superpower. Secondly, we trade with regulators, for example, the WTO, the World Trade Organization, the world's trade organization. In finance, we have the IMF, the International Monetary Fund.
Both of these organizations were created and are managed by the Western world, led by America. So, financially and commercially, America and the Western world. Suppose China, Russia, or anyone else wants to challenge and seize this position, you must be able to make the world trade in other currencies, such as the Yuan. Make the world's trade regulated by other organizations that are not the WTO, and finance that is not the IMF. And this is what I understand BRICS has been trying to do for many years, which is to create an alternative to the dollar and an alternative to the WTO and IMF.
But right now, this is controlled by America and the Western world. Another reason America is the number 1 superpower is the same reason England was once the number 1 superpower: no navy in any sea or ocean can rival the American navy. America might not be able to open the Strait of Hormuz, but America can close the Strait of Hormuz. Iran closes it by firing missiles from the mainland, but America closes it with its navy. Now, why can the American navy control every sea and every ocean?
We need to look at where the sea trade routes are and what countries are around them. Starting with the American continent, the American continent has the Panama Canal, which connects the Pacific Ocean and the Atlantic Ocean, and is the most important trade route for the American continent. Last year, the two gates of the Panama Canal were managed by Hutchison Ports, a Chinese Hong Kong company. What did Donald Trump do? Donald Trump directly said, 'You get out,' and they had to leave. And today, Donald Trump brought in a European company to manage the two gates instead.
And behind the European company that came to manage it is America's BlackRock, a global giant investment firm. BlackRock, which came to talk to the Pheu Thai government about building a data center about a year ago. So, this is a demonstration of power that 'I control the sea areas,' America controls, especially the areas within my continent, 'this is my continent.'
Now, moving from the Panama Canal to the Mediterranean Sea, crossing the Atlantic Ocean to the Mediterranean Sea. Looking up is Europe, looking down is Africa. It is a very important trade route area. The strait to pass through is the Strait of Gibraltar. Above is Spain, below is Morocco, but the island of Gibraltar is a British island, which has a British military base there, an ally of America.
Crossing the Mediterranean, we will come directly to the connection between the Mediterranean Sea and the Arabian Sea and the Indian Ocean, which is the Suez Canal, the Suez Canal of Egypt. Now, if we don't know, we might think Egypt is not an ally of America, but if we know, we know that America gives the Egyptian military 1.5 billion US dollars per year. Therefore, Egypt is an ally of America.
Crossing the canal, we will encounter the Bab-el-Mandeb Strait, which is also in the news along with the Strait of Hormuz, right? That will be a global hotspot, not clearly belonging to anyone. Right now, forces in Yemen can fire from there, anyone can fire from there. This is still a question mark. Looking up is the Strait of Hormuz in Persia, which is currently disputed. But crossing over again, we find the Strait of Malacca. Looking up from the Strait of Malacca is Malaysia, looking down is Singapore.
In Singapore, the Changi Naval Base has the American navy stationed there. The American navy can enter and exit Malaysia's Penang port at all times. Therefore, when we look around the world, except for the disputed points in the Middle East, the US controls everything that is a sea trade route.
So, if China, Russia, or anyone else wants to rise and replace the US as a superpower, you must seize these things, because these are the trade routes that the US can close at any time if it wants to, with its navy and its allies. You must snatch those things away. This is one reason China wants to build a land bridge in Thailand so it doesn't have to rely on the Strait of Malacca.
And beyond that, if we look at China's geography, right? Looking one way is Afghanistan, Pakistan. Looking another way, starting with South Korea, then Japan, Taiwan, down to the South China Sea, Philippines, Indonesia – all US allies. Especially South Korea has US troops, Japan has US troops. Taiwan doesn't have US troops, because if it did, it would be a problem, but it has plenty of US weapons.
Therefore, if we look at geopolitics, if we look at the map, both by sea and by land, China is completely surrounded by the US. And if China wants to be the number 1 superpower instead of the US, China must break through this encirclement. So, it's very difficult. As I've explained, it's very difficult for China to challenge the US for superpower status, but I think there's one way: they must support Donald Trump.
Donald Trump will be the one to make the US no longer the number 1 superpower. The reason is, if we understand Donald Trump's 'America First' policy, his vision will be a U-turn from the vision of all past presidents, whether Republican or Democrat. Donald Trump's vision will diverge from the vision of the entire United States that has existed since after World War 2.
This world is a world of globalization, a supply chain. The US controls finance, controls trade, controls everything. But Donald Trump's 'America First' wants to pull everything back, right, according to the news? He is trying to withdraw forces and money from NATO. European countries will have to quickly increase their own defense budgets, increase their own weapons. In the past year of the Ukraine war, US weapons were scarce, they were NATO weapons, because the US was trying to withdraw.
South Korea and Japan are the same. Trump wants to start withdrawing US forces from South Korea and Japan, so they have to increase their military strength, increase their weaponry, increase their own defense budgets. For example, Japan, I don't remember the exact figures, but recently they increased their defense budget to the largest figure in history, not counting the World Wars.
So, Trump is trying to withdraw, withdraw, withdraw. Trump wants American companies that have set up supply chains around the world to close their factories and return to the country. Trump wants to raise taxes on all countries, which means cutting ties with friends and relatives. This is what Trump wants because Trump's vision sees America as needing to maintain its fortress only on the American continent, forbidding anyone from touching or interfering with the American continent. Trump doesn't want to get involved with the rest.
And this is why Trump wants Greenland, because if Trump won't be an ally with Europe, Trump has no buffer if any country from Europe, like Russia, wants to cross over and invade America. So, if he gets Greenland in the middle, perfect strategy, right? Besides that, Trump must get Cuba, because Cuba is the last country on the American continent that is not an ally of the United States. Venezuela also kidnapped its president, and now Venezuela is subdued, right?
Besides that, he wants Canada too, but I think that's just joking, talking nonsense, crazy talk, but never mind. That is Trump's 'Trump-ness.' But the point is, pull everything back, build an American fortress, America First, and let the rest of the world deal with its own problems. And if Trump succeeds in this, America will become – no, not become – America will no longer be the number 1 superpower in the world, because it won't project its power globally; it will only stay on the American continent. It will only be a superpower controlling its own continent. Therefore, if you want other countries—China, Russia, India, whoever—to become the number 1 superpower instead, pray for Trump to succeed in his vision.
Mr. Thanee: Yes, actually, I want to summarize the issue of power. America's power actually has five main pillars that I think are very much in use: resources, technology, trade, military, and politics. But what I want to say is that America's most dangerous weakness, which will cause America to, what do you call it, self-destruct, is the public debt crisis, which is the biggest issue right now that America cannot tolerate.
There is also internal division in America, especially with many things being done that the public doesn't like, right, with the debt trap and technology, and I don't know if America will still be a leader in technology in the future. I'd like Mr. Go to help analyze a bit: in the future, for America to remain strong like this, what is the most important point to keep America at the level of a world leader?
Mr. Go: If America, the word 'collapse' might be too exaggerated, it might severely decline in power. It will be similar to the Roman Empire, meaning no one won a major war against the Roman Empire and seized everything. That happened after Rome was almost unable to cope. Rome collapsed due to Rome itself, for various reasons.
The main reason is that Rome began to decline and started opening its borders to more and more Germanic tribes. The Germans then became Roman soldiers instead, until the Romans themselves, who previously had to be soldiers, no longer were. Until they became weaker and weaker, until Germanic tribes like the Ostrogoths, and another one I can't remember, never mind, they invaded and took over Rome. This is what people in America fear most: the influx of immigrants, especially they fear Muslim immigrants coming in, establishing their religion, trying to convert other Americans to become Muslim.
I'm not saying whether the religion is right or wrong, we're not talking about that, we're just explaining and analyzing the events that are happening. That is what they fear most: that foreigners from all directions of the world will pour in, pour in, until the population increases more and more, and these groups of people are not that they are not Americans.
We need to look deeper than holding a passport or citizenship. What's deeper is that these people, in their mindset, in their hearts, are not American. Why is this important? If you look at every country, every country's society, its people can live together because there is something that binds them together in unity, believing the same, loving the same, thinking the same. That is the DNA of every society.
For America, it's the ideology of freedom, uh, Freedom of Speech, Pursuit of Happiness, and so on, the American-ness. But the people who pour in don't believe that. The people who pour in want to change America to something else, to what they want. And what we are seeing in American society right now is that Americans themselves, whether white or black, or even Asian Americans who have been there for a long time, are divided into one side – these are the American-Americans – and then there are those who are trying to change, trying to bring in other cultures, on another side, and they constantly have problems, constantly quarrel.
This, right now, might not be a huge issue that can cause the nation to collapse, but it's a starting point where, over time, you have a country divided into many groups, and everyone has a gun [inhales]. And everyone has a gun, which portends disaster in the future. This is what American society fears most. But as for public debt, economic issues, and other things, this is my personal opinion, I don't see it as a big deal.
America's public debt is a public debt that a giant economy like America can manage. The US's tax collection potential can collect it, and most of the debt is domestic debt. So, of course, it affects the economy, it affects livelihoods. It has ups and downs. It might cause America to face economic crises at times, which America has encountered many times before, but it's not the trigger for collapse.
But if we add the economic crisis to the social crisis, which the social crisis will extend to a political crisis, these three things combined will lead the United States into an abyss. And this is happening in America. That's why many thinkers, writers, and analysts in America see that, 'Hey, this Donald Trump Experiment, we need to stop it. We need to go back to the way things were, whether it's a Democrat or Republican president. We need to go back to the way things were to make everything calm down, settle down, become more sensible.'
Because Donald Trump is Donald Trump, he makes everyone lose their minds, truly lose their minds. So, right now, the US must carefully maintain its own society, because if it dies, it will die because of its own society, and it will die because it chose a leader like that. If compared to China, I have been to China many times. What China has and the US doesn't, what the Chinese people have and the US doesn't, is security and safety in daily life.
The US doesn't have this, unless you are rich and live in a gated community, you live in a big condo. But ordinary people don't have it. Walking anywhere, there is no safety, no security. But China has it. This is one example where I see that if the US is going to fall into an abyss, this is the trigger for that fall, but it doesn't mean it will happen today or tomorrow.
Mr. Thanee: What Mr. Go said, I strongly agree with it. Listening to it, oh, the line of thought is exactly the same. But what we also want to analyze is whether America's economy is actually getting worse and worse. I think it's not bad, the economy is quite good. But the biggest problem will be the dollar. I know the dollar is America's strongest weapon on earth, and another thing is technology. These two things are the pillars that make America strong, strong and robust, and it's still strong today. But if the dollar has problems...
Mr. Thanee: ...if technology has problems, these two main pillars will make America weaker and weaker. I want to ask, is there a chance that the dollar will weaken continuously to the point where it's no longer the world's main currency, or that American technology will decline continuously until it loses to China, loses to, uh, Japan, loses to something else? Is that possible in the future?
Mr. Go: Oh, two points. If it's about the dollar, the dollar certainly has a chance to weaken. The dollar certainly has a chance to plummet. It has happened before, in the Great Depression era of the 1930s, the oil crisis era of the 1970s when OPEC boycotted and refused to sell oil to anyone, even the real estate crisis about 10+ years ago during Obama's time. It rises and falls according to its cycle, just like the economy has cycles of ups and downs.
But no matter how much it falls, as long as no other currency is strong enough to replace the dollar, it will remain the world's main pillar. And what we need to understand is that if you want to bring the US down and another country or group to rise, that country or group, let's call it China, or let's call it BRICS, to make other countries in the world turn to use your currency, rely on your financial institutions under your supervision, there are two ways. Okay, there are three ways.
The first is to go to war and seize it directly, but that method won't happen. This is not China's method. China is a superpower that has never invaded anyone with military force, unlike the US, unlike the Soviet Union. That's not the method. The second is to invest, invest, invest, lend money, lend money until you are overwhelmed, then you will have to enter China's supply chain. China does this, but I'm not saying whether it's good or bad, right or wrong, but it's what they do.
Another way is you must persuade countries around the world to trust your country, in your country's branding, in your currency, in your economic potential, and very importantly, in your political system. Now we're talking about soft power. If we talk about the dollar or the pound, when England was the number 1 superpower, we traded using the pound. We must first understand that these currencies are just paper; they have no inherent value. But we give them value because we believe they have value.
We believe the dollar has value because we trust that: 1. The US political system will never collapse, so there are always people backing the dollar. 2. Various US financial institutions will never collapse, so we don't have to worry, the dollar can always be used. 3, 4, 5, 6, whatever, it's all belief, it's all belief. But we believe, and we believe because the world has been built by the Western world for 700 years.
And what America inherited from England for over 100 years, it's something that has been ingrained in the minds of the world's people that we must believe in this because it has ruled the world for so long. So, how will China make the world believe in China? But we used to believe in China, maybe not the whole world, but in this region, China was once the big brother. We used to trust China's system, whether political or economic, in the era of emperors. That past was hundreds of years ago.
Now, how can that belief be transferred? So, everything is a different story. Therefore, regarding the dollar, right now, I don't see it disappearing anywhere. Now, regarding technology, I agree with Mr. Thanee's group. I think if America isn't careful, one day China will overtake it.
And I'll give an example, um, rare earth minerals. I don't remember the exact figures, you might need to Google Search and check, anyone listening or watching can check. Rare earth minerals, in various mines around the world, are mostly under China's control, 70, 80, 90%. The factories that produce rare earth minerals, refine these rare earth minerals, are almost all Chinese. And these rare earth minerals are what are used to produce chips, produce AI. It is the heart of technology. This is a crucial resource where the US is far inferior to China.
Therefore, we see the US right now saying, 'I must find rare earth minerals, no matter where they are on this planet.' Do you remember when Donald Trump came to sign a peace agreement between Cambodia and Thailand? He signed it, and then, 'whatever, you guys can keep fighting,' but at that time, Trump got something: the right to mine rare earth minerals in Thailand, which...
Mr. Thanee: Yes.
Mr. Go: We don't have a lot, we have a little, but even that little, the US will take. Because if the US doesn't have it [laughs], if the US doesn't have it, if China has it all, then they die.
Mr. Thanee: Mm.
Mr. Go: And if, suppose, China can overtake the US in technology, it might happen. After a certain period, it might create a domino effect.
Mr. Thanee: Mm.
Mr. Go: Into other matters, and it might be the starting point where the world's people look and say, 'Hey, we trust China more than the US.'
Mr. Thanee: Is it good, huh?
Mr. Go: Mm.
Mr. Thanee: Will the world really change? Is it better for us to be on this side? Is it stable? Is it safer? So, I think technology, technology is a very, very important point.
Mr. Go: Yes, yes, I agree. Uh, for example, right now, robot technology is so fast that, uh, for example, Elon Musk said he would produce 1 million humanoid robots, but...
Mr. Thanee: Make in China, humanoid.
Mr. Go: Not produced in America [laughs], because there's nothing in America.
Mr. Thanee: Yes, correct, correct, funny.
Mr. Go: That's right, that's right, that's right. So it's American technology, but 'Made in China,' right? Like Tesla cars, a large number of Tesla cars are 'Made in China' and exported to 60% of the world. This brand, Tesla, so it's funny that it's American technology, but not 'Made in America.' Now, let's delve deeper.
Mr. Thanee: Yes, okay.
Mr. Go: Everything, right? [laughs] It's been like this since Nike shoes, since I was a kid, since China opened up.
Mr. Thanee: From Nike shoes, now to Tesla cars. Please, go ahead.
Mr. Go: Yes, what I want to delve deeper into is the Xi Jinping game, right? This game can be called a diplomatic game, a security game, or a war game. Most recently, the latest news is that Xi will visit North Korea next week, which is in a few days, to meet his dear friend Kim. I feel that Kim Jong Un is playing his role very well lately, speaking out often, talking about missiles, and Iran's assistance, saying they will help immediately when needed. And Xi Jinping's visit to, uh, Pyongyang this time probably has some significant implications to announce, meaning, a symbol. A symbol that Putin talked to Xi Jinping and whispered many things, especially about the New World Order. And there are many problems where South Korea and Japan have joined hands, oh, they love each other so much, going to Andong, right, Kim Jong Un's hometown, going to Seoul, oh, there will be a summit at an onsen [laughs]. Uh, I don't know why they have to go to an onsen. So, what's happening now is that it's a picture of, uh, what you call Far East Asia, starting to have some problems. Before we talk about Iran, I want to analyze a bit what this picture will look like in Far East Asia.
Mr. Go: Just a moment, Kim Jong Un is playing soft power, do you know, Mr. Thanee?
Mr. Go: His image with his daughter...
Mr. Thanee: Huh?
Mr. Go: Westerners are screaming, Westerners like it very much.
Mr. Thanee: Really?
Mr. Go: My wife is French, currently studying for her PhD in France, and she said Westerners are screaming. Let's put it this way, North Korea is a country that the Western world has always despised.
Mr. Thanee: Yeah.
Mr. Go: Always despised, an extreme dictatorship [inhales], extremely dictatorial. It's what we call a Hermit Kingdom, isolated, a dictatorship. Kim Jong Il, Kim whatever, everyone, these are all backward people, they despise them all. When Kim Jong Un came to power, 'Hey, that fat guy with the strange haircut,' everyone despised him. But, right? I don't know if it's intentional or accidental.
Mr. Thanee: Oh.
Mr. Go: Kim Jong Un's communication campaign, for the past year, the Western world, I'm talking about the general public, loves it, screams.
Mr. Thanee: They see Mr. Jong Un and his daughter, who will be the next leader, they see [laughs] and like it.
Mr. Go: So, it immediately goes down, right? This is...
Mr. Thanee: The strategy of building belief is very important, and it's very powerful [clears throat].
Mr. Go: If you can persuade people to believe, you can do many other things. But now, okay, about the Middle East, right? Besides the Strait of Hormuz, another hotspot... And a point that might even be bigger, and might be the next point of conflict, is the South China Sea.
Mr. Thanee: The South China Sea, right? Which, of course...
Mr. Go: China, North Korea, and Russia must join hands tightly.
Mr. Thanee: Oh.
Mr. Go: Right, because all three countries are there. Russia also had a very big role during the time of, uh, both ports, everything was there, they had to fight Japan. It's a very important point. But now, what we, uh, what we need to understand is that if a war happens here, if there's fighting, it will be a world war. Why? What will happen here, I will continue to explain based on various foreign analysts who have written analyses, which is that if fighting occurs, it will be fighting in the Taiwan Strait.
Mr. Thanee: Mm.
Mr. Go: It means China has decided that the time has come...
Mr. Thanee: ...to bring Taiwan back into the embrace of China.
Mr. Go: Mm [clears throat].
Mr. Thanee: But it won't be just between China and Taiwan. We don't even need to bring the US into the equation yet. If that happens, what will follow is that South Korea and Japan will have to come and help Taiwan. Why? [clears throat] Not because they love each other, they are friends, they eat together every Saturday, no.
Mr. Go: Because...
Mr. Thanee: The Taiwan Strait is the route that goods, energy, everything uses to pass to South Korea and Japan.
Mr. Go: Uh-huh.
Mr. Thanee: If China can control the Taiwan Strait, both sides, both the mainland and Taiwan...
Mr. Go: China can close the Taiwan Strait at any time. When it closes, South Korea...
Mr. Thanee: ...and Japan die then. Therefore, the reason, the same reason as all wars on this planet, the only reason it can't end in Iran, is the sea trade routes. It is...
Mr. Go: Oh, mm.
Mr. Thanee: Money, it is power.
Mr. Go: Mm.
Mr. Thanee: Therefore, but if I understand correctly, Mr. Thanee might, might, might correct me if I'm wrong, what I understand is that bringing Taiwan back to China is one of Xi Jinping's visions.
Mr. Go: Yes.
Mr. Thanee: It is Xi Jinping's legacy. Every leader, if you want to be recorded in history, you must have a [clears throat] legacy.
Mr. Go: Right. So it depends on whether Xi Jinping will make this dream come true or not. If Xi Jinping wants to make this dream come true, I think we in this region can prepare ourselves immediately. We can prepare ourselves immediately, a big war is certain. Because South Korea and Taiwan won't accept it, Vietnam won't go along with it, the Philippines won't go along with it either.
Mr. Thanee: Right, oh.
Mr. Go: And of course, I said the US is not yet in the equation, but no matter what, the US will have to jump into this equation. There's no way it won't. Look at Trump. Donald Trump is the person who cares the least, cares the least, but after meeting Xi Jinping, whenever reporters asked about Taiwan, he didn't say a single word.
Mr. Thanee: Yes.
Mr. Go: Didn't say a single word. It has implications [clears throat], it has implications. If I were to analyze it, Donald Trump, in his heart, being Donald Trump, would want to say, 'To hell with Taiwan.'
Mr. Thanee: Mm.
Mr. Go: But with the sanity he still possesses, he knows he can't say 'to hell with it' [inhales].
Mr. Thanee: Can't say 'to hell with it,' he can't [laughs]. He can't say 'to hell with it.' Why? Even more importantly for the US, the US has many layers of defense on both the Atlantic and Pacific sides. The US...
Mr. Go: On the Pacific side, the first line of defense is the Hawaiian Islands.
Mr. Thanee: Yes.
Mr. Go: The second line is Guam, the Polynesian islands, these small islands in the Pacific Ocean, all with many American troops. And the most important first line of defense for the United States is South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, the Philippines, Indonesia, all the way to Australia and New Zealand. Defending against what? Defending against threats from China.
Mr. Thanee: Yes.
Mr. Go: On the Atlantic Ocean side, they also have defenses, NATO is the first line of defense.
Mr. Thanee: Mm.
Mr. Go: Right? And then in the Pacific Ocean, the Caribbean islands, defense line 2.
Mr. Thanee: Which they want Cuba too, so it will be complete, right?
Mr. Go: Mm. America's superpower strategy, they've been doing it for 100 years, they've built it for 100 years. They've done it so that no superpower from another continent can touch them. You have to pass through many barriers. In World War 1 and World War 2, Germany tried to instigate Mexico to invade America. Mexico said, 'Don't instigate [clears throat] me [laughs].'
Mr. Thanee: 'I've been beaten by America many times, don't mess with me.'
Mr. Go: Yeah, yeah, really. Because geography helps the US be a superpower, because no one can be a threat to them. They control the entire continent, both the Pacific side and the Atlantic side, they have barriers, barriers, barriers everywhere. Therefore, coming back to our topic, our topic is that the US will never allow its most important first line of defense, to protect against threats from China, to collapse.
Mr. Thanee: Therefore...
Mr. Go: Oh. I understand Xi Jinping, I sympathize to some extent. China, right? Every country wants its territory back, but...
Mr. Thanee: But this [clears throat] issue, this issue can really be disastrous, oh.
Mr. Go: Mm, this is looking from America's perspective, right? Looking from China's perspective, suppose we are in China, 'Hey, we're imprisoned, there's a fence blocking us, keeping us imprisoned. Won't we break out of prison? We have to break out of prison.'
Mr. Thanee: Must break out.
Mr. Go: Yeah, no need to actually break out. Excuse me, just a moment. The reason Russia and China understand each other best is because both are imprisoned.
Mr. Thanee: Yeah.
Mr. Go: Russia is also imprisoned by NATO. It's two countries with the potential to be much greater superpowers, but they are both imprisoned [laughs]. Yes.
Mr. Thanee: Please go ahead.
Mr. Go: So it's natural, right? When people are in prison, they want to come out, show power, show influence, right? Then they see Taiwan, 'Oh, this is our sibling,' and if we were to smash it, we wouldn't dare smash it. It becomes a problem that if it were another country, they might smash it, but since they are siblings, they don't dare smash it, right? Now, to seize it without smashing it, that's difficult too. And then some foreigner, who knows who, brings a gun and says, 'Go shoot your brother a bit' [laughs]. That makes them even angrier, 'Hey, siblings are fighting, and you give a gun to shoot your brother?' It's not right. Is it something to be angry about? Yes, it is.
Yeah, if you're Chinese, if you're Chinese, if you look from a Chinese perspective, it's right, looking from a Chinese perspective, like us, simply put, if we are Thai, if, if...
Mr. Thanee: Yes.
Mr. Go: Koh Kong becomes Cambodia's, hey, we'd be angry [laughs], right? This, this I understand, I understand the perspective. And this is the reason I talked about the long history, which is that...
Mr. Thanee: Yes.
Mr. Go: In world history, great powers have always clashed because they have to challenge, compete for interests, compete for allies, compete for establishing defenses for their own interests. Therefore, if we look at it as neutrally as possible, not like a fairy tale, not like a novel, not like a movie, it is that...
Mr. Thanee: Mm.
Mr. Go: It's two groups of people who have problems because their interests conflict.
Mr. Thanee: Mm.
Mr. Go: Interests conflict, interests conflict. And if we are Thai, it is...
Mr. Thanee: From the outside, people might automatically say I'm on the American side, which I, which I tell you, you have a reason because I'm so American, but...
Mr. Go: But as a Thai person, this issue of conflict between superpowers...
Mr. Thanee: Mm.
Mr. Go: I have only one question.
Mr. Thanee: Mm.
Mr. Go: Where are Thailand's interests? With whom? That's all. Don't side with America, don't side with China. Where are our interests? Simply put, frankly, speaking directly, between China and America, who gives us a better deal?
Mr. Thanee: Oh, yes.
Mr. Go: Because ultimately, I am most concerned about the safety, security, and prosperity of our country.
Mr. Thanee: Mm [clears throat]. But that's hard to say. The word 'deal' means they might not give us a deal from either side [laughs]. They might even smash us. Because the problem, the problem is, please go ahead.
Mr. Go: It's like, right now, the Taiwan issue is their two-person problem, and we're not involved.
Mr. Thanee: But if it becomes the South China Sea, oh, it's full-on, full-on. And the conflict in the South China Sea, uh, it concerns Thailand because the Gulf of Thailand will be closed.
Mr. Go: Yes, sir.
Mr. Thanee: Mm.
Mr. Go: The Strait of Malacca will also be affected, it will all be affected.
Mr. Thanee: So, let's put it this way, I'll make a definitive statement like Professor Jiang. If there's a problem in the Taiwan Strait, there's an immediate problem in the South China Sea. It spreads immediately. As for who we will side with, to answer Mr. Thanee just now, I think right now, in our current state, or rather, in our past state...
Mr. Go: Mm.
Mr. Thanee: Almost all the time, we get slapped on the left by one side and kicked on the right by the other. That means we don't have a main stance. That is our problem.
Mr. Go: We can't stand alone, we're always being killed. That's our problem. But okay, that's another matter [laughs].
Mr. Thanee: That's correct, I agree. Thailand, we are not strong enough. Oh, we are a small country, we don't go meet Xi Jinping. We are a small country, we go meet America, we are a small country, we have no power, we can't complain. Hey, you're not small, you're 70 million, you're big, but you refuse to act big.
Mr. Go: Correct.
Mr. Thanee: Act small.
Mr. Go: Our population is more than England's, more than France's [laughs].
Mr. Thanee: Yeah.
Mr. Go: But I think the problem...
Mr. Thanee: The problem is, this is my own analysis, that every Thai government in the past has not had a team that understands geopolitics.
Mr. Go: Mm.
Mr. Thanee: There is no team that understands world politics, the game of great power politics. This subject, it's not diplomacy. It's not diplomacy, you have to separate them clearly. It's not, it's 'the politic.' We don't have experts in this in the government, no matter which government. So we've always been naive.
Mr. Go: Mm. A crisis much, much more severe than the Iran war is the East Asian crisis, which Mr. Go just mentioned. I think there's no escaping it. And don't people think, don't they think there's no escaping it, that it must happen? So, haven't we prepared anything, like, 'Hey, energy can't pass through Malacca'? It's heavier than Hormuz, Hormuz is just that side.
Mr. Thanee: Heavier. And are they afraid? Should they be afraid?
Mr. Go: Probably afraid. There's one principle, which is that in our world, war is normal.
Mr. Thanee: Mm.
Mr. Go: Periods without war are merely breaks.
Mr. Thanee: Rest, timeout, break, drink water, oh.
Mr. Go: Right. Therefore, it's a thought that makes countries that know and understand history and geography, geopolitics, understand that when there's no fighting, that's the time to prepare.
Mr. Thanee: Mm.
Mr. Go: To fight, maintain, or increase their own security potential. So, for example, almost all developed countries, their governments have their own oil reserves.
Mr. Thanee: Mm.
Mr. Go: But Thailand has no oil reserves [clears throat]. All of it belongs to private companies and state enterprises. So, if an oil crisis arises...
Mr. Thanee: Mm.
Mr. Go: We get price gouged, and the government can't do anything.
Mr. Thanee: Mm.
Mr. Go: Right? Because the government has no oil reserves to help the people or help itself. This is an example that we have no vision for our country's security at all. When a crisis comes, we are ruined. This is just closing a strait. If it's a much bigger war, much more devastating [clears throat] here, and we have nothing at all.
To take care of ourselves, take care of our own people. I'm not talking about having to conscript every Thai person into the military. It's not about having soldiers to fight; it's about energy security, agricultural security.
Mr. Thanee: In terms of...
Mr. Go: Uh, public utilities, everything must be prepared for all of this, because crises can always happen.
Mr. Thanee: Mm.
Mr. Go: We must prepare. I agree, Mr. Thanee, we must prepare, we must be ready.
Mr. Thanee: Yes. I also think China and the US are very smart. Xi Jinping is extremely smart, Trump is extremely smart. Shouldn't they make a secret agreement? They wouldn't openly tell us, but 'Hey, should we divide the world? I'll give you this much, and I'll take this much. We won't fight.' Can a secret agreement happen without telling us?
Mr. Go: Well, secret dealings always exist, whether in Thai politics or [inhales] world politics. That's politics. But I don't see how you would divide it, what you would divide. As I explained, right? The US controls strategic points all over the world.
Mr. Thanee: Mm.
Mr. Go: I don't see the US suddenly saying, 'Okay, for friendship, I'll give you the Strait of Malacca.' No way, no way.
Mr. Thanee: I give up the strait. There's no way, there's no way to divide it, there's no way to divide it, there's no way to divide it, they definitely won't agree. There is, there is [laughs] only one thing, there is only one thing that will prevent this world from reaching World War 3, and that is...
Mr. Go: Both Trump and Xi Jinping, or Xi Jinping and whoever is president of the US...
Mr. Thanee: ...they are well aware [clears throat], they know very well that if it reaches that point, there will be no superpowers left, no countries left. Back to what I said about [clears throat] nuclear weapons.
Mr. Go: And this is why the Cold War between the US and the Soviet Union never turned hot.
Mr. Thanee: Right.
Mr. Go: Therefore, I hope and believe they are well aware of this, so there won't be a clash of that magnitude. Therefore, it's one of the reasons why I...
Mr. Thanee: ...don't want to believe that Xi Jinping...
Mr. Go: ...will go and seize Taiwan. Because it's too risky, it's too disastrous. And this fear of nuclear war, this fear of all-out disaster, that's what will bring peace, peace between superpowers. Beyond that, they will fight proxy wars, trade wars, tariff wars, whatever wars, they will fight.
Mr. Thanee: This is something Xi Jinping is also pressured by. Xi Jinping is not the highest authority in China. There are many people with the highest authority in China.
Mr. Go: Meaning he also has to listen, right, uh...
Mr. Thanee: Yes. All the committees, they have a national agenda that you must achieve national reunification during your term. Otherwise, you won't get your legacy either [laughs]. I'm confident he has to do it during his time in office, which is his fourth term, he has another four years. So it shouldn't be more than 4-5 years from now. But we also look at some structures that Mr. Go said he can't do, why? Because he doesn't have his own energy. He cannot rely 100% on his own energy.
Mr. Go: He will have a huge problem. If there's a war, half the oil will disappear.
Mr. Thanee: Yes, sir.
Mr. Go: So what to do? China is solving this problem, which might succeed in 4-5 years or even sooner. If they succeed, it's not certain, because they might decide to seize Taiwan.
Mr. Thanee: As far as I understand right now, China gets energy from, uh, from Russia, right? Gas pipelines, oil pipelines, and also from, uh, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, uh, Uzbekistan, those group of countries, but it's not enough. Most still come from the Middle East. No, it's not enough, it's still far from enough.
Mr. Go: 30%.
Mr. Thanee: 30%. And in the future, right, in the future, passing through pipelines doesn't get you much anyway. It has to endure passing through the sea, right? But currently, passing through the sea from Russia, it can't come directly. It has to go around the world.
Mr. Go: Around Europe, around into the Mediterranean, through the strait, the strait, uh, through the Suez Canal. Oh, by the time it reaches the surface, it's dead.
Mr. Thanee: But, right [clears throat], the Arctic Ocean, up there in Siberia, right now, ships can sail for about 3 months a year when the ice melts enough.
Mr. Go: But Russia has also developed icebreakers, ice-breaking ships, which are...
Mr. Thanee: ...increasing in capability, breaking through. But with the global warming crisis, it might be good luck for Russia and China [laughs]. If that all melts...
Mr. Go: Soon.
Mr. Thanee: Soon.
Mr. Go: Mm.
Mr. Thanee: All melted, meaning all energy from Russia is just a quick boat trip away.
Mr. Go: Mm, yes, yes.
Mr. Thanee: This could also change the world game, but it hasn't reached that point yet. Currently, if there are only gas pipelines, oil pipelines from Uzbekistan or whatever, I think if there's a war, the US will bomb the gas pipelines. But they might not dare to bomb gas pipelines from Russia, because if you do that, Russia will jump into the war too. So it's...
Mr. Go: Still can't see on the side of, on the side of...
Mr. Thanee: It's still unclear, but if Mr. Thanee says they will really do it, then I, I will prepare myself, stock up on energy, stock up on soldiers at home [laughs].
Mr. Go: They really do, huh? Their plan wasn't just thought of yesterday. They've been thinking about it for 20 years. They've been thinking about it for a long time, and they've been doing it continuously. Like Iran, Iran fighting America, it's the same. They didn't just think of it yesterday; they've been ready to fight for 20 years. China has been preparing to fight America for a long time, and they are still preparing, building, preparing, building every day. They don't think they won't fight America, but...
Mr. Thanee: They don't think they'll fight violently. They'll fight in a way that just shows who is superior, and then the other side will retreat, because if nuclear weapons are used, there's no need to talk. But what they have no choice but to do...
Mr. Go: Yes, Mr. Thanee, what you said, I believe they think that way, but it's dangerous. This was the thinking before World War 1 and World War 2: fight for a bit, then one side retreats. What was the result?
Mr. Thanee: It's something that cannot be trusted much, just like Iran. 'Hey, fight for a bit,' right? 'Just for a bit,' right? It's something difficult.
Mr. Go: Ukraine also, 'just a bit,' it's been 5 years already.
Mr. Thanee: Yeah, right, but, but it's still not reaching the US, meaning...
Mr. Go: If China is going to fight, first you will have to fight Taiwan, South Korea, and Japan.
Mr. Thanee: Ah, certainly.
Mr. Go: Let's just take this for now, just this for now, this is certain. Now we might also see that Taiwan has been preparing for decades as well to receive the music, yes, yes, because Taiwan buys the most advanced weapons from America.
Mr. Thanee: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. So this game, I understand, because I've studied strategy quite a bit, that... This BRICS, it's not about economics. It's about energy, uh, security. China has to break out of prison, both left and right, they have to break out. If they can't break out, they will never be number 1 in the world. Uh, slowly breaking out, yeah, another 20 years is fine, but Xi Jinping can't wait. Nowadays, people can guess because Xi Jinping has a third term, and he has a fourth term. The only reason Xi Jinping has a third and fourth term is to bring Taiwan back.
Mr. Go: Ah.
Mr. Thanee: That's the reason he's there.
Mr. Go: Interesting, interesting.
Mr. Thanee: The Politburo, why do they let him stay? Why do they have to amend it?
Mr. Go: Because if they don't do this, Taiwan can't be returned. And the Chinese constitution states in article 1 [laughs], Taiwan must return to the motherland. And you think about it, you're the president, and they've assigned you to be in your third, fourth term, and you don't do it?
Mr. Thanee: It's the first time in my life I feel, you know...
Mr. Go: Huh? This is true.
Mr. Thanee: It's the first time in my life I feel sympathy for Mr. Xi [laughs], who is in a very difficult position.
Mr. Go: It's getting harder for him, he carries a huge burden, because if he doesn't get it now, he won't get it later. Because think about it, which president stays for 20 years? He's been there for 20 years, yeah. Because he's been there for 20 years, he'll be 80 already. In his 70s, he has a mission that he must accomplish.
Mr. Thanee: He has to do it. And he said it, it's not that he didn't say it, he said it when he took office. 'In our first term, we must bring Taiwan back.' He said it as the first step, right? When taking office, you, as the president, you talk about Taiwan first, as number 1. And you think the people will say, 'Hey, you must do it. If you can't do it, you don't have to...'
Already, uh. >> Uh, you, you, legitimacy. >> Uh. >> You came with a promise. >> Yes, this third term will definitely end in another 2 years. Did the previous Chinese president make this promise, or is he the very first one, right? >> Didn't say, didn't say that deep, and didn't say that much. >> He just, he just, uh, gave an opinion, and like, didn't have any policy. >> These policies, they, they have existed since Xi Jinping took office, that's 2013.
Mm-hmm. >> Uh, he said the policy "qiang qi lai" means you must become strong, you must defeat the West, simply put, frankly speaking. Win or not win, he gave you a mission, right? And it's the 100th anniversary of the Communist Party, uh, you have to achieve it. If you can't do it, you, you shouldn't be president, and you already have full power, overflowing in your hands, overflowing to the sky, but...
Oh. >> It's not that easy. Look at the Chinese army, it's a mess. Over 10 generals were dismissed, full of corruption [laughter]. >> Now, Xi Jinping probably thinks it's not possible yet, maybe wait another 2-3 years, fix the problems first. But the mission isn't abandoned, this is speaking in terms of 'T' (timing), right? I understand, I understand, I understand.
Mr. Go, let's go back to what is current. This is a matter for the future, we'll talk about this again later, but for now, the last point, the last point, a little over time [laughter]. >> Iran, why can't we not talk about this? >> We must talk about Iran.
Please, Iran, it's such a world-shattering problem, that I heard the beginning say 2, then repeat 4, 5, 6, none of them matched. And now, you're going to say it's okay, it's over. So what's the real story, Mr. Go? Can you explain it so the people understand?
I can explain. First, don't listen to Trump. Listen to Trump and you'll lose your mind [laughter]. If we want to understand, we need to understand the basic logistics of reality. First, Trump desperately wants to end the war. Trump fell for the charm of his son-in-law and his entourage, saying, "Hey, just attack them, they'll surrender in no time." And at first, it seemed like that might be the case, right? They fired rockets, the supreme religious leader died on the first day, many army leaders died. If it were other countries, they would have surrendered by now. That's what Trump thought, but it didn't happen, so it dragged on. Now it's too long, and Trump wants to end it, because Trump cannot carry this war into the US midterm elections, which are happening in November. Its relevance, its importance, is that it's the election for both houses of the US Congress. Currently, the Republican Party controls both houses, but if the Democrats win both houses after the election, the Democrats can proceed with impeaching Trump from the presidency. Therefore, he must stop this war, and he must end it as if he achieved victory, because if he ends it and it looks like he lost, it would be a disaster for the election. But he wants to end it very much. Now, why can't it be ended? We have to look at it from Iran's perspective. There are two issues. The first issue is nuclear weapons. The condition for ending it from the US and Israel is that Iran must not produce nuclear weapons. But if we look from Iran's perspective, we might think, "Hey, if I had nuclear weapons from the start, you guys wouldn't have shot at me" [laughter]. True.
But if you're telling me to stop now, logistically, realistically, it's not possible, it can't be done. Anyway, I believe Iran will still try to produce nuclear weapons. That's the first point. The second point is, who will compensate for the damages and rebuild Iran? Iran has been bombed a lot, its infrastructure, everything is in ruins. You have to rebuild the country, you need enormous amounts of money. Where will the money come from? The US won't give money, because if Donald Trump gives money for reconstruction, it means he lost the war. No winner has to pay money to the loser. So, Iran has proposed controlling the Strait of Hormuz and collecting a transit fee of 2 million US dollars per vessel, and even offered to share it with Oman because Oman is also located there. That's their way out. But they need to get money from somewhere to rebuild the country, rebuild the economy, rebuild everything. But the US won't allow them to control the strait. If they allow them to control the strait, allow them to collect transit fees, that again means Donald Trump lost the war. Donald Trump cannot lose the war. So there are these two main issues. But for me, the nuclear issue is easier to resolve. It's easier to resolve because Iran has already said, "Okay, we won't produce nuclear weapons, but we want to produce nuclear energy." As for China, I think China is okay with this. Now, what about Donald Trump? Donald Trump says no production of nuclear weapons. But if Donald Trump takes one step back, they can produce energy. Iran initially wanted to produce weapons, so they take one step back and only produce energy, and then they compromise on just producing nuclear energy, and it's over. But frankly speaking, it's all a play. Because even if they agree on just this, Iran will still produce nuclear weapons anyway, and the US knows it. But it's okay, Thai politics, world politics, it's all a play. Solve the current problem first. Iran producing nuclear weapons in the future is a future problem. And right now, the strait must be open. If the strait isn't open, the world will face a severe crisis. In Thailand right now, prices are expensive, right? If the strait isn't open, wait another 2 months, it will be both expensive and unavailable. So, I think the nuclear issue can be overlooked. And I'll give an example of overlooking something. There's already an example. The United Nations, permanent members America, England, France, Russia, China, passed a resolution that no country on this earth should produce nuclear weapons, because these 5 countries already have them, so others must be prohibited from producing them. But Israel went and secretly produced them. And Israel could produce them because France helped them, sent technology to France, which is one of the 5 permanent members of the UN that said no production. And Israel has nuclear weapons, but the whole world pretends not to know or care that Israel has nuclear weapons. The UN also pretends not to know or care that Israel has nuclear weapons. Israel has nuclear weapons, but everyone collectively turns a blind eye because it already happened. So, if you collectively turn a blind eye for Israel, then turn a blind eye to this matter too, please. Open the strait so it can be over. But the issue that I still can't see how it will be resolved is who will compensate Iran for the damages.
Mm-hmm. >> Because if no one pays, I think Iran won't agree to open the strait. Why would they? You shot at me this much.
Right? This part needs a solution, but I think the US can find a way out. The US has a lot of experience, they can find a way out of everything. Let me give you an example.
The 80s. >> In the 80s, communism in Central and South America was very active and strong.
The country Nicaragua, Nicaragua's president, was a left-wing president but came to power through elections, socialist, leaning towards the Soviet Union. And there was the Sandinista force, a force that wanted to, uh, stage a coup, a revolution, to get rid of the leftists, the communists.
But the Sandinista force had no weapons. >> Where would they get weapons? If the US sent weapons, it wouldn't look good. How would the US interfere with other countries? The US, the US CIA, do you know what method they used? The CIA used the method of taking money from drug trafficking that they seized, to buy weapons from Iran [laughter]. And they took weapons from Iran to give to the Sandinista force in Nicaragua to fight against the government forces. The US is clever [laughter]. They found a way to give money and weapons. Therefore, the US, Donald Trump, wears the hat of cleverness.
Mm-hmm. >> And find a way to give money to Iran.
Mm-hmm. >> You, you'll have to hire Ben Smith, the Ben Smith we know. >> To launder the money for you, just do it, get it over with.
I understand, I understand. >> Take the money from scammers around here and pay it, just do it.
Uh [laughter], they have a lot, Bitcoin scammers are many.
Uh, just finish it, launder it back and forth, just finish it. We are willing to turn a blind eye because the strait must be open.
Oil will run out. >> Mm-hmm.
That's it, I think this is it. >> Should be able to open.
I hope so, I hope they find a way to agree, there might be a secret deal that we don't know how they'll find a way...
...to agree to pay Iran. >> Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Whatever happens externally, just go do it, but open it, please open it.
Mm-hmm. If that's the case, Mr. Go is confident, then I'm confident that it will open in 2-3 days. In 2-3 days? Or 2 weeks? I can't say, I can't say.
2 weeks is fine, 2 weeks is fine, let's say 2 weeks [laughter]. >> Me, I... >> 2-3 weeks.
Whenever I'm interviewed on any show, I always say I'm an analyst, I'm not a fortune teller [laughter].
Uh, yes, yes, nothing is certain. >> I won't plant, I don't have, I don't have a reason to plant a flag that this will happen. The last time I planted a flag was when a show asked me if, if the election were today, Professor [clears throat] Chat would win? I said, if the election were today, Professor Chat would win. That's it [laughter].
That, that was too easy, right? Analysts shouldn't make definitive predictions about things that have no evidence or guarantee.
Yes. >> So I can't say. If I say it, it would be like belief, hope. But it might happen, it might. But I won't guarantee it.
Yes. >> Yes, sir.
I see many people say this too, just guessing, just guessing.
It's all guessing, guessing, guessing wrong. >> Yes.
But, but we think positively, right? To encourage the viewers too, think positively.
They'll say we said, "Hey, it can't open, it's closed forever," like that, we'd die.
It won't be closed forever [laughter]. Let me put it this way, I believe that no matter what, they will find a way to agree, because again, it's like, it might not reach, it might not reach the level of nuclear war that we talked about, but it does have a level of catastrophe. So they will find a way to agree because all of us must be on. But whether that will happen tomorrow, next week, or in 2 months, I cannot answer. Let's just hope it's soon.
Mm-hmm. Last question, let's close the clip. I'd like a brief summary, Mr. Go, in your opinion, is Donald Trump a hero or a devil in your eyes? [laughter].
Neither of the two, sir, neither of the two. It won't be that dramatic. He is a highly capable businessman at seizing opportunities.
Mm-hmm. He's a clever person who's good at seizing opportunities.
He is a highly capable businessman at seizing opportunities.
Mm-hmm.
And also has a high potential to read the thoughts, read the feelings of the American people.
Mm-hmm.
Those on the conservative side, to trigger their emotions.
To make them followers of the "Make America Great" sect.
Oh. >> He's a prophet, but I wouldn't go as far as hero or devil. I wouldn't go that far.
Mm-hmm [laughter] [clears throat] >> Yes.
I understand perfectly, and >> I feel, I feel that >> This clip was very fun, must invite you again.
Thank you [laughter] very much, please, please, please come again, after there's any progress with Iran. Today we talked a little less about Iran, but I wanted to, I wanted to give a little background, and if there's an opportunity, I'd like to invite you in the future. Today, I sincerely thank you very much. Hello.
Thank you very much, sir. Hello, hello.
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