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I'll yield the floor for you to introduce yourself and provide your argument.
>> Uh, yes. Uh, this is, uh, Khalif Abdul Malik. I'm, uh, calling out of Phoenix, Arizona, Sunni Muslim. And, uh, my position, I don't have a, a debate with you per se because a lot of the things that you speak on, I'm in alignment with. It was just, I think that I was trying to introduce another way to view what happened, uh, with those, uh, Arabian slave traders. And, uh, that was my position was, you know, because of my studies and, and, and, uh, in, and, and practice of Islam, when a person, they claim, they claimed Islam but they were not Muslims because in order to do something like that, you're out of the fold of Islam, is what I believe as from, from what I can, uh, you know, gather. What's, what's your, what's your, what's your take on what I just said?
>> So, anytime you see someone misbehaving, you just say, "Oh, they're not a Muslim." If you're a Christian, you see other Christians misbehaving, you say, "Oh, they're not Christians." And so, you all play this game of claiming that when people are behaving poorly, they're not Christians. When they're behaving well, then they are. Every religion can do this.
>> Right? Right. Like, like, like the, the KKK, the Klan consider themselves illuminated Christians. But are they actually following the teachings of Jesus? Not at all. So therefore, to me, in my, uh, professional opinion, they're not Christians. Or just like if I, like the fake, uh, Jews in, um, Israel. Do you think maybe there are people in Saudi Arabia who consider you to not be a Muslim because you're not fluent in Arabic?
>> Uh, there's people that most certainly probably feel that way, but that is, uh, that's between me and, and my creator. They, they, that's there, that that would be trying to anticipate what the creator accepts, what Allah accepts, and what, you know. So I don't think that.
>> Then can be used by the persons you said are not Muslims. You said the slave traders are not Muslims. And just like you said, they can position themselves and say, "Well, that's between us and Allah subhana wa ta'ala." How can they not be Muslims because they held slaves? I mean, the.
>> Well, I'm talking about the horrific cast, you know, the, the castration of, of boys and doing. Once you, once you, these are major sins. And you, once they started doing, you know, once you do that to somebody, that's not, that's not because a Muslim is submitting to the will of Allah. And once you do stuff like that, are, is the person submitting to the will of Allah at that point? Well, this was occurring in the whole of the Middle East, specifically Saudi Arabia, your holy lands of Mecca and Medina. So, I would think that if Islam originated in Saudi Arabia, then if anyone knows how to do Islam, it would be the Saudis, especially that long ago. It started 1,300 years ago. So shortly after the demise of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. So if people who speak Arabic as a first language, people who had the closest connection to the Prophet Muhammad, uh, yeah, they should know how to be Muslims. So if they're engaging in this, then probably it is a part of Islam because in the Quran, it references slaves. So I think you're trying to do a rewrite to clean up a religion that you've embraced. And I understand, you know, like you, many of us search for something. And because the black people don't have a clear monotheistic practice, and because the black people don't believe in themselves, you, you take this religion that is essentially from another people. It's an alien religion.
>> Well, uh, that right there, I don't agree with because of the fact that when you read the Holy Quran and the key players, the, the prophets and, and, and such that were mentioned in it, they were all black. It's a book about black people. So, uh, even, uh, in the, in the Quran, Adam was fashioned out of a, out of a sticky black mud. So this is Allah subhan Allah telling us that these, these, this first creation that I created were black people. So, uh, now, my, my, my thing with that is that the, uh, Israelites lost the covenant, they, because of their rebellion, and then it went through, uh, Ishmael. What if your books are just books?
>> Well, in, uh, in, in Islam, when, when, when Allah teaches us that if you, when you say "if," then that opens up the door for the Shayan, you know. So, uh, but I.
>> No, I don't believe that's in the Quran. I believe you just made that up. I also don't believe you've ever read the Quran. I truly don't believe you've ever read it. Not even one time.
>> Oh, okay.
>> Why do you think I say that?
>> Well, uh, you can explain that to me better than I could guess it.
>> Well, I say that because the Quran is in Arabic, and you're not fluent in Arabic. So, you've never.
>> Right. So, what I've read is the, uh, translation. Is, is that what.
>> So you read what another man has decided for you to understand. So I would challenge that the Quran is just a book. It's not of God. It's just a book like any other book. And what's worse is if it was of God, you didn't have the seriousness about your deen to learn Arabic and then read the Quran and understand it for yourself. And thirdly, you've read it in the English language, and it is known that even if you were to read it in Arabic, this is not the Arabic that is spoken commonly. So it would not be necessarily easy to understand and probably not easy to translate. So you're clinging to a religion because you needed something to cling to. And that is why I bring Marquetteism to free you from this backwardness. You'd look at me crazy if I were to dress like people dressed 30 years ago. I should look at you crazy to believe like people believed 1400 years ago.
>> Well, when it comes to, well, I believe that, uh, that our, our, our, our Lord and Creator will, uh, sent men just like us to, uh, teach us and to, uh, guide us to, uh, the straight path. And, um, you know, so, um, of course, uh, Allah could have sent an angel to show us, but then on the day of judgment, uh, the, the, the humans, we would be able to say, "Well, of course, this angel is going to follow you correctly because he's an angel. He doesn't know how to go against you. He doesn't have free will like me." So, uh, so that's why Allah sent men to, uh, guide us. He said, "I, you know, I sent one of your, your own, you know, and, and gave him the, the information to deliver to the people so that you could see exactly how, how it can be done by you." You know, uh, he could have sent some other creature to teach us, but why? How? Then we would have rebuttal on the day of judgment. Cher Ricky, supporting the work. I appreciate you. May I also acknowledge. Oh, that's it. I appreciate the two people who have supported.
>> So, were you raised religious?
>> Uh, yes. You know, I'm, I'm from, you know, I'm from, uh, Sacramento, California. So, you know, you know, in the '70s, all black kids went to church. You know, we all went to church. And, uh, you know, Christian, Baptist. Uh, so, you know, and then, uh, as I, you know, got older, I started, uh, seeking, uh, the truth for myself. You know, I, I just didn't go off of what was said. But, you know, when I read the Quran, even in the English form, uh, it was, it was, uh, right on point with everything that I had experienced in my life. And, uh, and it gave me a better understanding. You know, I'm not, I'm not here to, uh, you know, battle or anything like that. Like I said, I, a lot of the things you, uh, uh, that you say and, uh, some of the things that I watch you do as far as your, your, uh, podcast or reels and clips that I see, I'm in total alignment with it. So, I don't have no funk or beef with you, you know? I was just, like I said, I was just maybe trying to say, "Hey, well, you know, if, okay, like when I was in the, you know, in out there in the world, you know, gang, you know, gang banging and doing stuff like that, you know, we would meet, I would run into dudes that claimed it but wasn't standing on that." So, was that person actually a, a Crips or a Blood? No. Because when it came down for the get down, they wasn't really with that, you know. So just, I, so I, I, I, I, I, I align that to, you know, if you are claiming, um, a certain religion, but you're doing wicked deeds, then in my opinion, you're not that, you know, you're not that religion that you claim.
>> But you're, what you're calling your religion, which is really an Arab's religion. If you look at what the most impactful deeds are that the Muslims are doing, they're mostly all bad. And here's the proof, and I think you'll agree with me after this. We have Al-Qaeda, we have ISIS, we have Boko Haram, we have Al-Shabaab, and the list goes on. And we have what on the opposite side? You know, we can name many heinous crimes that have been conducted by Muslims. Can you name something that's comparable, but positive? Just as strong, just as consistent, but positive. I'm trying to understand this.
>> So, you want me to.
>> Can I mention something that's, uh, just as strong, but the opposite of what you just said?
>> Like positive? Yeah, that's what I'm asking you. So, I'm saying, look at all of the destruction. You have all of these Muslim groups that are kidnapping children. Uh, they're attacking civilians. They're making life unpleasant and hellish for Muslims, for Christians, for non-believers, for people near them. And that seems like the work of the devil. And they're organized. And they do it under the banner of Islam. And when you read your Quran, it speaks of jihad. It speaks of ummah. It speaks of fighting on behalf of the deen and supporting other Muslims. But you observe in Gaza, these Muslims have been forgotten. They're suffering greatly. And it shows you it's all fake. It's all fake.
>> Well, well, they, you know, a lot of, a lot of those people have been, uh, bought out by the western powers to, uh, you know, the, the, the, the greed for for money or land or wealth or whatever.
>> Yeah. But those are Muslims.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Well, or so-called Muslims. They, because if you're, like I said, at the, at the top of the, so-called Muslim, you don't speak Arab. Well, but.
>> I promise you, if I went and talked to 10 Saudis.
>> At least 30, 30% of them would say that you're not a Muslim.
>> Well, well, that, I, I would, I would feel pretty good about that percentage because that means 70% consider me to be so.
>> I think they just want to sound racist out loud, to be honest.
>> Well, yeah. Yeah. And, and, and if, uh, like I said, if the racism, Satan was the first racist by claiming that he was better than Adam. But, and so if anybody practices that, they're not a Muslim or submitting to the will of Allah. Subhan Allah. They're not the.
>> We have a lot of religious zealots and fools in the chat. If you all would like to come on, send $1 with your email address via Cash App or PayPal or what have you, and then I'll send you the link so that you can come on.
>> Okay. Now, now, as far as something, as far as something as as strong and positive.
>> Uh, that would, well, some of the things would be like, uh, algebra, uh, you know, uh, the mathematics that, that the, uh, that the Muslim brothers from, you know, millennia ago came with, uh, astronomy, uh, you know, building techniques, uh, you know, uh.
>> How about in the modern era? Just, just to keep it simple, right? Like, for example, today, Boko Haram is operating, Al-Qaeda is operating, um, Al-Shabaab is operating, ISIS is operating. So what are the Muslims doing today as an organized group that is positive that we can speak to? You don't feel weird that you can't think of a single example in a religion which is supposed to be about goodness? You can't think of a single analog. You don't feel like, damn, Marquette, that's a good point.
>> Well, you, you're, you know, that, that is a good point. But, uh, you know, if people, uh, choose, you know, we, you can't control anybody. And I don't know the intricacies of Boko Haram and how what's going on over, I'm not world-traveled like that. I don't, I, I don't know how ISIS operates and who started that because I think the acronym, the acronym for that was Israeli special, uh, uh, what was it? You know, it's, it's stuff that, that the, that the, that the US. Yeah, they're Muslims, but it's stuff that the US and, and Israel and Israelis propped up and helped. [clears throat] under.
>> Are they or are they not Muslims? Secretly.
>> Muslims are not Muslims.
>> Well, the, that's, uh, that would be their actions would prove that. And, uh, according to, uh, you know.
>> So how do you get to decide who's Muslim and who's not? Which surah in the Quran gives you the right to decide that someone's not Muslim? Those that establish prayer, do good, and, and give zakat.
>> And, uh.
>> And I promise you that ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Boko Haram, Al-Shabaab are probably making salah, and I promise you they believe that they are doing good. So what makes you.
>> They're not Muslims. In, in, you know, in the, in the Quran, Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says states that, uh, some people, uh, commit, I'm paraphrasing, they commit bad deeds and perceive it not. They don't see that they're actually doing something. In, in their minds and hearts, they, they, uh, they're doing something good. But, you know, um, that will all be a rain that.
>> That could literally apply to you. You could think you're doing well, but you're doing something terrible. You see, that's the problem with.
>> Well, I'm not, I'm not, uh.
>> So general that everyone can use this watered-down thing to keep pushing forward with this belief. And it saddens me to see the black man, your mind is stolen, and you're following after the Arabs. They're clearly wrong, but you persist because you need something to hold on to. That's why I've brought forward a word for our time, Islam.
>> That's, that's, uh, that, you know, yeah, that, that could probably work on somebody else. But when I, I see, I understand what I do understand about the Quran is that, like I said earlier.
>> Understand anything about the Quran because you've never read it one time. You've never read it one time.
>> You, you mean in the, in the, in the true, uh, uh, Quran, Arabic Quran? No, I don't, I don't read, uh.
>> The only Quran.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> So you've never read it one time. So, but from, from the translation, uh, it, it, it works for me. You know, it might not work for you and others, but some.
>> Literally could be reading lies. That doesn't bother you?
>> Well, I, I know that I'm not. And, uh, because.
>> Well, how do you know you're not? Because the, the, the way that our creator created us, you, I can, I have the, I can, I have this feeling inside of me. And like I said, it, it, even in the translation, it strikes so many points that are, uh, that are true and indeed that, uh, I know that it's the, it's the, uh, narrow path, the straight path. Did you, did you read in the Quran where Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says, "translate?"
>> Well, I'm just asking, like, did you read, you can't feel it? You said you could feel the Quran.
>> I said from the, from the translation that I read, I can feel it.
>> So you can feel the English that is man-written. You can't feel the Arabic that was recited, that that was given from Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala through Jabriel, the angel Jabriel, to the Prophet Muhammad? Well, I, I can, I can make my salat. I can, I, I do my prayers. I know, I know enough to make my salat and pray correctly. And I do feel that. I can understand that. As a matter of fact, I'm, I'm studying that now. I'm in the process of gaining that knowledge. So, but, uh.
>> How many years have you been a Muslim?
>> Uh, seriously on my deen? Uh.
>> Just a few. But I've been.
>> How many is.
>> I've been, I've been claiming Islam for a long time, but I started off with the Nation.
>> Decades. I started off with the Nation of Islam, and then I just wasn't, uh, feeling certain things about that, you know, and, uh.
>> It's not at all. Not at all. Because without that, I wouldn't even be, I wouldn't, I wouldn't even be enlightened.
>> You know, like I said.
>> You're not enlightened. You've gone backward.
>> No. Well, you know, I'm, I'm, I've went backwards because of, of the, of choosing Islam as my deen. Is that what you're saying? You can't choose Islam if you've never read the Quran, by even leaning in that direction. I went backwards, is what you're saying?
>> Yes. Uh, and the Quran is a book about black people. And you're a black man telling me I went backwards by.
>> The Prophet Muhammad was was an Arab man. He is described consistently as an man of pale skin.
>> I didn't say the Prophet Muhammad. I said the, the key, uh, prophets mentioned in the Quran are black. Blacker than me and you. Blacker than you and I. [laughter]
>> Come on.
>> Come on.
>> Solomon wasn't black. Adam wasn't black. Where did you see at? Where did you see them at?
>> Joseph. Joseph wasn't black. They were. They were in. They were in the. They were in Egypt. They were in the land of. They was in Africa. Come on, man.
>> You, you saw them in Africa?
>> At that, at that, in that time, the world wasn't as mixed up and mingled as it is now.
>> I'm just asking if you were in that hemisphere. If you were in a certain part of the hemisphere and you was born there and you and you live there. See, I'm not asking you a simple question.
>> You're, you're trying to pull me into a a deceptive, uh, mood.
>> No, sir. I'm just asking you politely.
>> Of, you know very well I didn't see them personally.
>> Okay. Okay, fair enough. Do you know someone who saw them?
>> Of course not. Not no. What do you mean? Of course not. You know, I, I don't. Well, Allah seen him and he revealed it and he revealed it through this angel Gibbrail to Muhammad, and Muhammad related to us. Muhammad, who do you know that talked to Muhammad, peace be upon him? I'm just trying to figure this out because it sounds really strange. It sounds very strange.
>> Yeah. Well, you know, uh, Allah and, uh, the angels spoke directly to the Prophet Muhammad, sallallahu alaihi wasallam.
>> But how do you know that?
>> I'm just asking, like, how do you know that? Just, you know, from my studies of the, uh, of the, of the religion and, um, you know.
>> You can't study the Quran because you don't speak Arabic. You don't even remember.
>> Well.
>> You don't remember when Allah said, and what does that mean? I'm going to leave that with you to ask your sheh or your muti, um, because I would hope that they would have taught you that.
>> Well, since I don't know and, and you said that I'm backwards, then why don't you reveal it to me right here, right now, while we're talking to one another? Each one teach one, right? What happened to that?
>> Yes. Yes. So, so let me know.
>> You let me know what that means.
>> I appreciate that. And in humility, I'm not an Islamic scholar. I'm not qualified to teach Islam. I am, however, a logician, and I'm certainly qualified to teach this Islam, and that's what I teach. I think that if you were to take a hundred saints at random, and if you were to take a 100 Muslims at random, we would perform better on health. We perform better on, uh, contributions to the community, and we surely would perform better on not being, um, an impediment and a danger to the community. And frankly, I think that's pretty important. If I were you, I will find it very embarrassing to associate with the religion to where I've named five terror organizations. And then I said, "That's fine. Can you name five major projects or five Muslim groups or organizations that are doing equally impactful work?" And the fact that you cannot is an embarrassment and an abomination to Islam and really all of the Middle East. And I can assure you that what's happening in Gaza is the best representation of the hollow nature of Islam.
>> There's only one group of Muslims that I respect. It is Shia Muslims in Iran.
>> Yes. Yeah. They, they, they, they coming with it. Yeah, they really coming in with it. I like that. I, myself, I was, I was perplexed about why aren't the, the people of Gaza, uh, receiving any help. I, I didn't understand that.
>> I, I, I, I'm aching it to just like what happened to us here. These, I, you name five terror groups. Well, I can name five real terror groups that did a whole bunch and did way more, uh, evil upon this earth than, uh, the Muslims. America, Germany, France, Italy. So, I can name, I can name some real life terror groups. You're correct.
>> And they correct.
>> And they're still getting down to this day. And I know what the, I know what these, what these people over here did to us as a people. So I can imagine what they've done out there in the world. So when I see, when I see the groups that, like the people that you, the, the groups that you name, I, I know that the, these are the, the masters of wickedness, and they, and they know exactly how to weave, they win, and do all kind of destructive things. And, and so, yeah, you know, it's not, it's like I said, I'm not against you. I love your, I love your, uh, content and all of that, you know, and I'm not here to, uh, you know, try to, uh, uh, down you or nothing like that, you know. You know, uh, I really, like I said, I really dig your stuff, man. But, you know, as far as me for, like, like, uh, like, in the words of the Prophet, sallallahu alaihi wasallam, "For you is your religion, or, and for me is mine. For you is your deeds, and for me is mine as well." You see what I'm saying? Now of.
>> Those were not the words of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. Those were the words of God. Right.
>> I said, "in the words," because he spoke, he spoke it to us.
>> Yes. Of course. That's, that's the words of Allah.
>> Words. In fact, in the Quran, he.
>> He only speaks what he hears.
>> We're speaking of God's words. Right.
>> Correct.
>> I think you're referring to, he says something like this. But the point is that you know, none of that really matters because if you were to come to my country, you come to the United States of Marquette, California, and I tell you that it is illegal, illegal for women to dress immodestly. That is the law. It is on the books. But you walk around and everywhere you see women dressing in bras and in g-strings, and you can see their bodies everywhere. [snorts] What does it matter what is written? What does it matter what we claim? What does it matter what comes out of our mouth? It's hypocrisy and lies. What is written, the book doesn't matter when no one uses it. So if you have an example of enslavement being ongoing for 1,300 years, conducted by Muslims, then you turn around and tell me that the religion is pure. You turn around and tell me that there's no specific hatred for blacks, but they did this exclusively to blacks for 1,300 years. It saddens me to see you try to defend that.
>> Well, you, you, you underestimate the whispers of the Shayan. Then just because he was able to trick these, this group of people into doing that or seduce them into into a wickedness, then, uh, that doesn't make the religion null and void. That makes them weak for the whispers of the Shayim, or, or, or in alignment to the whispers of, of Satan. Suggesting that Satan is more powerful than Allah. So.
>> No. [clears throat] Not at all. Uh, but Allah guides who he wills and he leaves astray who he wills.
>> Very convenient.
>> No, it's not convenient. It's, this is the reality.
>> It's very convenient. So if something bad happens, it's the devil. Something good happens, it's Allah.
>> No, because Allah said, "I created good." Allah, Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala said, "I created good and evil."
>> He said he created both of them. So I didn't say that.
>> The devil. Is Allah the devil?
>> Of course not. But everything is a test for us.
>> No. If he's created good and evil, and he created Satan.
>> Allah created us. But is he a man?
>> Okay. So hear me out. So if Allah created all things, when I say, "Is Allah the devil?" I'm saying, is he the one who enables and allows the devil?
>> Nothing can be done without the permission of Allah.
>> Yes.
>> But, but in, in that is a test for the one that's being tested. You, you know, what are you, you know, that's the, it's everybody's on, on an individual test, and everybody will, uh, only pay for what they done or what they taught somebody else to do, and you will reap the, the reward of the good that you spread. So.
>> Why do you think Allah wanted to single out the blacks for 1,300 years of enslavement? Why was that Allah's plan?
>> You can say that again.
>> The blacks were singled out for 1,300 years of brutal slavery and bondage.
>> Why were the blacks singled out?
>> At the hands, at the hands of the Arabians.
>> At the hands of the Muslims. Well, there's where we have a difference because I say at the hands of, uh, the race. You say at the hands of the religion. I, I say.
>> Let me ask you a question.
>> What about what about us here?
>> You ask these people, would they say they were Muslims?
>> Uh, yes, they would definitely more than, yeah, claim that. But, but is that what they are? Because you know the definition of, of Muslim, and, and if you watch, and if you're watching this, you can see this, and you can see these people doing a certain thing, then in your mind, is that actually a Muslim?
>> So sad. So.
>> No, no. Well, no, no, not so sad. Answer the question, brother.
>> That's very sad. If I, if I claim to be a, a saint or a, a Christian, and you see me enslaving, and you, or even carrying myself in that fashion.
>> There's a difference. There's a difference.
>> Or even carrying myself like that, and, and but you see me slaving and maming and killing and robbing and looting. Am I really that?
>> You cannot claim to be a saint. We have standards and, uh, and requirements, and we excommunicate those who violate. If someone says that they're a Muslim and they continue drinking alcohol, then they continue being a Muslim upon their word. If someone claims to be a saint, then they are excommunicated if they continue with drinking alcohol.
>> Well, how is that possible?
>> Regulated when, when.
>> One moment, sir. This is regulated. Membership and belonging is regulated based on standards. What you are a part of is a loose, amorphous group that has no regulation, and that's why there is much filth and corruption within it. Allah forbids all, uh, intoxicants. So if a person is is, if a person is claiming to be a Muslim or or say stating that they're a Muslim and they're drinking, and that means that they're not, they're not doing, uh, they're not submitting to the will of Allah. If I'm doing something other than submitting to the will of Allah and spreading good and, and giving zakat and, you know, uh, charity and helping those in need and, and, and abstaining from sin, if I'm not doing that, if, if I'm doing the opposite of that, then I'm not a Muslim. Or, or, or just like somebody that claims to be saved, sanctified, and filled with the Holy Ghost. If they're, if they're claim, if they're saying that, and, and, and, and have a facade that they're living like that, but you see them doing, and they're doing, even if you don't see them, you know, and they're doing these wicked things, then they're not.
>> You've said that several times. I would be thankful if you don't repeat the same argument because I, I have heard you. I've heard you out. I've accepted what you've said. It's not sensible, but I don't respect religious people to be sensible. Um, shout out to Wanita, supporting the work via Cash App. May I also acknowledge Shabbaz came in. He writes, "What a beautiful man and a beautiful mind. I appreciate that." And you call me brother, but unfortunately, we cannot be brothers when you follow a way that is so destructive. You follow a way that has no standards, and you defend this against all reason. And what's worse is you defend it in favor of maintaining that Arab supremacist ideology and at the expense of the acknowledging the suffering of the black peoples. And then what's more, you go to the great extent of lying and saying that these people are not Muslims when they identify as Muslims. They speak Arabic. They make salah. And in fact, these people, in many cases that I'm referencing, live in Mecca and Medina. They live in the Holy Land.
>> Well, well, in my opinion, you can, you can claim it, but that don't mean you bang it.
>> You see what I'm saying? It's, it's just, it's just being real and fake. Now, if, if, if either I'm real with it, or I'm fake with it. So, I think that.
>> It hurts my heart because you would make any excuse to clean the filth off of it. And so.
>> I love, I love my black people. You, you have it totally confused.
>> And, but I understand what's going on.
>> You're dressed like an adup. You're wearing a Saudi th.
>> And, and, and, and, and who was the first man to get dressed on this planet?
>> Oh, my. Who was the first, who was the first man to get dressed? Who showed somebody how to sew and make clothes? But because you only see them with that, I'm gonna, I'm going to connect this for you.
>> So you said who was the first to get dressed? The first man. It was the black man. Correct.
>> Correct. You're following scriptures revealed by an Arab. Number one. And then number two, ironically, before you stands a black man, and you won't consider what I have to tell you. So everything you've said has just fallen apart. The original man is here speaking to you, and you push away what I say in favor of what you have learned from an Arab.
>> No. As a matter of fact, Gibbrail delivered the message to Muhammad. So who, what, who am I to say, uh, who Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala should give the information to? Oh, he didn't give. That's the same thing with how that's the same way the, the, the Israelites fell off because they had racial pride, and you will not enter into the paradise with a mustard seed of pride in your heart. You, that's what's not going to happen.
>> So you allow the Arabs to have their pride, pride in their language.
>> They, it.
>> And the holiest of holy, the scriptures of God, the word of God was written in our Arabic language. And what's more, because we are the best, the holy land is in Arab land. So you allow them to have their pride in the things that they can be proud of. And then you, little black fella, you are a visitor in their religion.
>> What, what race was, was Ibraim? What, what race was Abraham?
>> Why do you make up things and why do you believe?
>> I'm just asking you.
>> You don't know, and I don't know.
>> Oh, you don't know.
>> You don't know, and I don't know. You need to stop lying. That's my problem with religious people, is you guys are liars.
>> What race was, what race was Adam? If Adam was here, Adam.
>> There is no Adam. Stop it.
>> Oh. Oh. Oh. So you, you totally don't believe in any of that.
>> There is no Adam.
>> Oh, okay. Okay. So I see where I see where the.
>> Adam. Where that name come from?
>> I see, I see where this is at. I see where this.
>> Where did that name come from?
>> You know where name come from?
>> I see, I see where you at with it. No. Does that name come from?
>> Yeah. You know, you, you tell me.
>> Fall apart under the truth. You fall apart.
>> No. No. I just don't, I just don't know how to play around.
>> Where did that name come from?
>> Where did that name come from? Did it come from the white man? Maybe. Yes. It's come from the white man.
>> Not at all.
>> Oh, Adam came from the African. Tell me more. As a matter of fact, our pronunciation of that word isn't even correct.
>> But because we're here and because we're here and we hear it here and we hear it said the way it's said, then now you, what you've drawn a conclusion that that it, it is a, a white man's word.
>> So you're leaving.
>> What I asked you, which is where did you get that name Adam? Yeah. Well, see, before we go into that, I like you said, you don't believe in any of that, correct?
>> Shout to Darwin, writes tuition.
>> You don't, you, you don't believe in any of that. Is that, is that your stance? Is that your position?
>> And Jordan and Gary supporting via Stripe. Shout out to Bajomo. He writes, "So gangbangers are more holy in many cases. Ah, it's a pity."
>> Well, you know, hey man, you know, like I said.
>> And you said your name is Khalif Malik. You have an Arab name. Be honest.
>> When, when, and we taught the whole world how to speak. And so [snorts] now I have an an Arab name. That's.
>> Yes. Because your name is Khalif Malik. That's an Arab's name.
>> That's not a black man. That's an Arab.
>> Who taught the Arab how to speak?
>> Well, why don't you go find the original teacher? That's not what I religion.
>> Who, who taught him how to speak?
>> I don't know. And you don't know. You got to stop lying. So, I'm asking you to stop making up.
>> Abraham. No. Just because if you don't, you don't understand it or you can't see it like that, that doesn't mean it's a lie. That just means that, uh, someone might be ignorant to the fact. I'm ignorant to a lot of things that you speak on, and you, but you can't see how possibly you're ignorant to what I'm saying.
>> Yes.
>> Because you're holy, righteous, and royal, right?
>> No, sir.
>> Okay. I see. Yeah. Like I said, I'm not, I'm not, I, I have nothing, nothing against you, man. Nothing. And I don't, I don't have anything against.
>> Nothing, you know.
>> I don't have, I don't have anything against you. I have a lot against the ideas that you're sharing because they show self-hatred.
>> You have the name of an Arab man.
>> That's an impossibility.
>> You don't have to interrupt me. You have the name of an Arab man. You're dressed with an Arab man's. You follow an Arab man's religion. And you mumble through an Arab man's language in praising an Arab man's God. I have a great problem with that.
>> I'm not praising an Arab man's God. I'm, I praise the, the, the creator of the heavens and the universe and everything in between, which is every man's God, not just an Arab or a white boy or a or a black man. See, you know, I'm on, I don't, you know, I really thought that your, the, intellect that you utilized was much higher than what I'm seeing now. Not to be offensive. Not to be offensive. Agree with you.
>> I don't agree with you. Now I'm a fool.
>> No.
>> I don't agree with your Arab religion. Now I'm a black fool. So follow your error. I see you. I see you dressed. I see you dressed in suits of western white man stuff. So who's imitating who? What are you talking about?
>> What are you talking about? That don't make sense. So if I see you, I don't see you in traditional African garb to answer that.
>> Would you like me to answer that?
>> Proceed. Okay. I'm a foundational black American. I was raised in a culture with western garb. That is what I've known as culture. So that is what I wear. It is not something that I consciously adopted. Nor is it the only thing that I wear. That is radically different than going out of my way and selecting someone's culture and masquerading as them. Cuz you, as easily as you sought out an Arab man's costume, you could have sought out a black man, an African's costume. So I am wearing the western garbs of my parents, my grandparents, my great-grandparents, my great-great-grandparents. And I agree with you that it represents a white man's discourse. I agree with you. That's called being honest. I yield the floor.
>> Yeah. Well, you know, and, and, and just like in, in the, uh, Quran, they, they said, "This is what we, this is what our forefathers were doing," you know. So, you know, just because our people have been doing it for, uh, millennia, that doesn't mean it's correct. But for me, I, I, for me, you know, I, I elected to come out of the western, uh, way of dress. Man, I like, I like, uh, uh, different things. I, I wear daikis. I wear, I wear all kind of different stuff. You, you could even see on one of my Facebook posts, I got on a cowboy hat. You see what I'm saying? Uh, uh, you know, because I'm a found, what you say, foundation of black American. Yes, I'm that. I was raised by the founders of the old school, you know. So that, you know, by by attacking my, my, my, uh, attire now, that doesn't do anything to me because I, I, I, I've elevated my, I can, I can. Since when can a man decide what he likes? Since when can a man decide what he likes to wear?
>> Well, that's a very good question. And I think the challenge is that you've not been able to think for yourself, nor have you been able to follow the thoughts and the religion of a black man or the black people. You followed the ideas of the Arab. And in fact, you defend them with great viciousness against that which you really are. I don't, I didn't.
>> When you look at me, you see what you really are.
>> You see.
>> When you look at me, you see the father of your race. This is how we look when we got off the. This is how we look when we got off the boat. We didn't look like that. What is you talking about, man? This is how we look when we got off the boat. When you see me, you see the father of your race, man. You done lost your mind up in.
>> You were dressed like an Arab. You're following.
>> And you dressed like a peckerwood.
>> What are you talking about?
>> Your religion. What? See, so.
>> Originally created.
>> A a religion that's all about black people created.
>> The people in the Quran were black as me and you.
>> So, so because what?
>> No, sir.
>> So what, what national, what race were they?
>> First off, it's a fictional book. That would mean the characters are fiction.
>> Okay. I, I, I see where we at. Now I understand. Now I understand to because to you and in your, in your belief system and intellect, you believe that this is a fictional book.
>> It's a fine work, but.
>> But you believe that it's a fictional book, right?
>> You can, you can be honest here.
>> Wait, wait, wait. You believe that it's a fictional book, right? Yes. It's not about belief.
>> Or, you know, it can only, in your mind, you know.
>> It can only be a fictional book. You know that it can only be a fictional book.
>> Everything that you have said.
>> So, so then you, you came, you came just to argue.
>> No, sir.
>> You invited me just to argue.
>> I did not invite you. Asked to come.
>> Yeah, well, yeah, you, you, you allowed me on the platform just to argue. Oh, okay.
>> No, sir. I have to check if you have an ounce of reason. Turns out that you have none.
>> No. Well, my, my only, my only, uh, uh, discrepancy with what you was, what you was laying down was that you said the, the Muslims did this and the Muslims did that. No, some, some, some evil, crooked, uh, wicked people did that. Now, they, they came under the banner of Islam, but that's that. But I think that my reality trumps what you're saying. You know, you're looking at, I think our levels of, of, of, uh, vision are very different. You know, well, I know that, but, you know, uh, yeah, cuz. No, it ain't no way. It ain't no way, you know. I know. I know. I've been, I've been on, on this earth over five decades, and I, and there's certain things that you can, that you see and learn that, you know, maybe somebody that hasn't reached that point yet, they don't see it like that. But just like when I was a little boy, I used to, I used to be interested in toys and, and, and balls and games. But as, but 20 years later, I was interested in something else. 20 years after that, my mind had elevated to another level. So, I see what I see. I understand what's going on. I see what's going on. Now, like I said, I don't have no, uh, no, uh, confrontation with you about, uh, between us. You know what I'm saying? I just, I just view it from a different perspective. You have a different view. I, I, you know, when, and when I utilize my intellect.
>> He writes, "Could you please read Surah Ibrahim 14:4?"
>> Can you.
>> Oh, you're talking to me?
>> Yes.
>> I, I thought you were responding to that. Now, do I know it by heart? No, I don't. I would have to pull it up.
>> Okay, I'll pull it up. It reads, "And we did not send any messenger except speaking in the language of his people to state clearly for them." Then Allah lets go astray whom he wills and guides whom he wills. And he is the exalted in might, the wise. None of the above writes, "This is like watching you box an opponent that is blind and deaf philosophically. A bit sad to watch, but got to be strong. Peace of saints." Now, it is really, uh, disheartening because you keep trying to reference black and blackness, and it, it's very surface level because you keep going to an Arab religion. You're scared of that which is black. Blackness predates Islam by so long. It's not even funny.
>> You got me all wrong.
>> You're truly scared. You see, at the beginning, at the beginning.
>> The original peoples of the earth were all black before the races came into existence. We're speaking science here. They were all black. There were no Arabs. There was no Arabic. There were no whites. There were no Asians. There were only blacks in the beginning. Ironically, the Arabs, you take their book, which references the beginning of time, yet they didn't exist at the beginning of time. I find it funny. I, you know, actually, what's funny to me is that, uh, because the way you're, you're.
Using your words is saying, "Uh, well, I decide how the creator delivers his message to us," which is a devastating mistake. You're saying that's just, that's just like what [laughter] you know, "You're a religious zealot. You're telling me that your creator revealed his word in a language that you can't understand, and you don't even have the patience to go learn."
You've been a Muslim for many years, and you don't even know that Allah said "bosa." You don't even know that. The most basic of things. That's how poorly you know your Quran. That's how poorly you know your religion. That's how poorly you know the language of your religion. I know you don't really believe because if you truly believed it was the word of God, you'd learn the word. You'd learn the word.
Imagine believing that this is God's word, and you won't learn the language of God. And also, imagine being so silly that you believe God speaks one language.
"Who, who said that? I never said God only speaks one language."
"I never said nothing."
Imagine being such a religious, wait. Imagine being such a religious that God could not release text in all languages.
"I kid you not. This is a book today. I could release a book today in many languages. This is fake. God can't do that. This is God. This is it's beyond fake at this point."
"Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him."
"This is beyond fake. This is. Yeah, I see what's going on. I understand."
"You're very angry."
"I'm not angry at all. You are very angry."
"No, I'm not angry at all."
"Very angry. I just."
"I know angry."
"No, it's okay."
"Yeah, I'm not angry at all. But I, I, I understand the level of of buffoonery now. You know, something you won't, you won't deal in reason. You see, no."
You're telling me that God wanted everyone to follow his word, yet he gave the book to one people in one language, one of the top five most difficult languages. This is bizarre. He could have released the book simultaneously to everyone. Or it could have just been a movie.
"There you go again saying what? There you go again saying what God should have done."
"And you don't see the buffoonery in that."
"Well, there's only buffoonery in believing in something. You don't see the, you don't see the buffoonery. You're just making it up. And you saying, you are saying what God should have done."
"If you're saying, 'Well, if it was me and I was the Lord of the heavens and creator of the universe.'"
"No one ever said that. That's what you're saying. But you don't realize you're saying that. You don't realize you're saying that."
"You don't realize you're saying that. You said he could have. You said he could have released it. You, you said he could have released it on in, in every language all that much."
"He could have."
"That's saying you believe that God should have done it this way instead of the way he did it."
"No. Who are you? He's saying that's who you say that."
"Silence yourself, young man."
"I'll, I'll answer your question. That's me saying that you're such a silly old fella because you believe in things that don't make any sense whatsoever."
"Well, it doesn't make sense and you embarrass all of us."
"You don't. Because you're a black person who has never, ever, ever, ever read the Quran. You don't speak a lick of Arabic, and it's pathetic."
"It's an embarrassment. You embarrass us."
"Now you're lying."
"No, you're lying. You don't speak a lick of Arabic."
"You don't speak a lick of Arabic."
"Oh, this is this is turning. It's childish. You're very childish."
"No, what's childish is following a religion for 10 years and not taking out a moment to study. The reason you're so religious is because you don't study."
"If you studied, you wouldn't be that religious."
"You see, if you studied, if you had an analytical personality, how your mind works."
"Then no, sir."
"This is coming from the man who said what God should have done or should have done."
"You just said God could have done."
"You don't study. You admit that you're an ignorant person. I know Islam better than you. I know Quran better than you."
"I know Quran better than you."
"And it still, and it then it didn't take effect."
"You can't be affected by Quran because you don't know the Quran."
"That's the point. You're an ignorant purpose person."
"It's your story. I'mma let you tell it. You know."
"You believe so strongly because you don't study. You're a professional this monkey business and and this debating and."
"You're a professional of nothing."
"You're professional of nothing. And in the black code to the best of your knowledge, those like you must be dealt with. You are a traitor."
"Dealt with."
"You are a danger to us. Yes."
"You can't deal with to us."
"You're a danger to us."
"Yeah."
"You're one who looks like us, but you're not of us."
"Well, I, I guarant, I guarantee you on on the on the day of."
"You seek acceptance from the era and they won't give it to you."
"That's what I don't. And on the day of judgment, we'll see."
"Yeah, you do. You have their name. You have their clothes. Seeking acceptance."
"You call yourself Khalif Malik."
"What name do you have?"
"Your name is Bobby Jones. Your name is Tyrone Smith."
"What name do you have?"
"Your name, your name is Tyrone Smith."
"You, you still running under a pickle."
"You have such a challenge accepting the truth. Every time we talk about the truth."
"Your first name is French. Your first."
"Every time we talk about the truth, you keep saying, 'Well, what about you?' 'Well, what about you?' And you've never admitted one time. You'll notice when you said, 'Marquet, you dress in western clothes.' I said, 'Hang on, you're right.' And then I agreed and I explained and I said, 'You're right about that.' That's called being honest. You don't have any integrity. And that's the difference. You just keep lying when someone points out what you do. Tyrone, you say, 'Oh, well, you do it, too.' And that's a shame. Tyrone, your name's not Khalif. Do you remember? Do you remember? Your name's."
"You explained your position and I explained mine."
"You know, the crazy thing is, before we got on, I asked you not to use racial slurs, and now you're here using racial slurs."
"You use four times racial slurs against white people. And does your religion compel you to not be a backbiter?"
"Absolutely."
"So why are you backbiting white people?"
"And thank you for the correction. I appreciate that."
"Okay."
"Yeah. Yeah."
"But enemy to my people, not at all. Never."
"No, you are."
"That's that, that's. Well, that's your opinion. That, that's your. You can have that opinion."
"No, it's not an opinion. The history, the facts reveal that Muslims for 1,300 years."
"No, sir. The history and the scholars reveal that for 1,300 years, Muslims throughout the Arab world in the Muslim Holy Land, enslaved black man, woman, and child. They were particularly brutal to the black male child."
"They would cut off their genitals. Yeah, that."
"They would. Hold on."
"Let me tell you what your Muslim people did."
"That's hor. No. Tell me what the."
"Don't fight the truth."
"No, what the Muslims did. Tell what the Muslims did."
"A Muslim ain't going to do that."
"The Muslims would cut off their genitals and they put an iron spike in there to plug it. Then they pack them in sand up to the chest or dirt up to the chest. They dehydrate them so that they don't use the restroom and have a urinary tract infection. Yeah, it's very sick. That's very sick. Let me tell you what the Muslims, Muslims do. Let me tell you what the Muslims do. Please don't interrupt me. Nine out of 10 black boys would die. That means that the one out of 10 that survived and when they would grow up, they would not have the features of man nor woman. They would be a sick creation made by some kind of Dr. Jackal and Hyde Frankenstein type scientists. These Muslims called them Unix and they would use them to watch their herums and do other jobs inside of your holy land, your Muslim holy land. That's where these crimes would go on."
"Yeah."
"And these Muslims would sell them for a high price. Why? Because the fact that you had to kill nine black boys to get the one made them financially valuable."
"And to me, that's what the Muslims did. To me, that's not a."
"1,000 years. It is not your opinion. It is not your opinion to decide who is a Muslim."
"You're using your opinion and your."
"No, sir. I recounted the history in your opinion. I recounted the history in my, in my. The way it's not an opinion."
"They weren't Muslims."
"But it's a fact, huh? Yeah. Yeah. I heard that, man. Fact. Unlike the book you're referencing."
"No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not. No. See, what, what we're saying is fact and opinion. You, you're, you're, you're thinking about the wrong thing. I'm talking about they were not Muslims. Now, they claimed it. Take away, take people's religion away. You don't even understand the religion because you never read the religious book. You only have to read one book to understand Islam. You've not even read it. So, please knock it off."
"Just knock."
"On the day, on the day of judgment, we'll see who was right and who was wrong."
"You are 100% wrong. And your day of judgment is now. And you have been judged ignorant and to be a traitor. And you deserve."
"A traitor. You are a traitor, sir. You're a right. And."
"I hope, I hope you get to go visit Saudi Arabia and see how your Muslim brothers receive you. I hope you know they."
"I'm not concerned about them. I'm only concerned about me."
"They would treat your fellow Muslims in the."
"No. No. That's. I will never be treated like dirt."
"Yes, you will, sir."
"And and I won't allow my people to be treated like dirt. You trying to."
"You already treat yourself like dirt. You treat yourself like dirt."
"Not at all, man."
"You follow the religion of our children."
"Okay. And and and and and what's your religion, brother?"
"You follow the religion of our children. What's your religion, black?"
"And that's how that's how simple my. What is your religion, black man?"
"You're so simple that you ask me what is my religion?"
"What makes you think I need a religion?"
"Okay."
"What makes you think I need a religion?"
"So, you're without religion. The black man existed before religion. Do you not study? The black man existed before your Islam. Not a little bit before. I'm talking about thousands of years before your Islam, my dear boy. And if you do your research, you'll find."
"Hold on. Hold on. Let me go. Let me hold on. Let me teach."
"Always been in effect. Hold on. Let me teach."
"The belief in one God has always been in effect."
"Let me teach. The belief God. Let me teach."
"The stories that you find in your Quran, we can find them stolen from other books, rewritten other books and other mythology. And even those books and mythologies, the black man predates that."
"The belief in in the one."
"Older than religion before is before man was even in in creation."
"We are older than religion. Sir, you disrespect."
"I never, I never said we weren't. I never said we weren't."
"Me to ask me about DNA. We are."
"I never said we weren't."
"We are older than religion."
"You're older than religion. And every time you say something wrong, you try to change it. You ask me, 'What's my religion?' I say, 'I'm older than religion.' And now all of a sudden, it's not about religion."
"I never, I said, 'No, no, I didn't. I said the belief in the one true creator of everything in existence has always.'"
"And that is not, and that is not our way. Even if you check on your pagan Arabs during the Jahiliyyah before Islam, they had many gods like one for every day. Allah was just one of them. And then when Islam came, they modified it and Allah became the one true God. Allah is not a new word that came in with Islam. If you do your study, you would know. But you're not a student. I know that."
"You are not a student. I know that. Arrogant."
"I. No, arrogance is not me."
"Yes."
"That would be that would be more of you. From the. You speak with nothing but pride. You speak with nothing but pride and arrogance."
"No, sir, you must be arrogant to tell me that you are a Muslim, but you've never read the book of the Muslims. You've read the book of those who have translated it. If you believe that the Quran is the word of God, read God's word. When you read a translation, you read man's word. You are arrogant to claim that you are a Muslim, but you have not taken out time to study. You are devious and wicked to claim that you believe that's the word of God, but you wouldn't even take out time to study so that you could read it as God would have it. You've read it as man has rewritten it. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. YOU DO NOT TELL ME YOU'LL FOLLOW ISLAM FOR 10 YEARS and haven't taken out three years to study. YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW BASIC ARABIC. YOU'RE AN ABOMINATION. Arrogance is you."
"A Muslim that doesn't speak Arabic."
"You sound. You sound really angry, man."
"I am."
"You sound."
"I am very angry."
"Angry will one day drink the blood of fools like you. You are not a Muslim. You are not a black man. You are a lost soul. You are just lost."
"You are lost."
"We'll see."
"That's what you are. You are lost."
"You want to be black."
"But you're not black. You want to be Arab. You want to be Muslim, but you're not Arab. You're not Muslim. You're confused."
"I, I guarantee you it will all be straightened out."
"You're confused. You will never be straightened out. Again."
"You will die in ignorance and poverty. Here's a prophecy. Here's a prophecy."
"I prophesy you will die in ignorance and poverty."
"I prophesy you will die in ignorance and poverty."
"When, when, when one wishes something and that person isn't deserving of it, it comes back to them."
"Where do you go? So beware, young man."
"Beware, young man. You know, you know."
"You just say silly things."
"Yeah. Okay."
"Utterly silly things."
"Okay."
"Complete silliness. Say, why do so many of our people defend the beliefs and actions of another group? What is the psychology? Number one, they were poisoned early. You see, that's why I just started creating my children's book series. Uh, because in the absence of programming the children with good ideas in their youth, they'll fall to the white man's Christianity or the Arab man's Islam. And that is why you implant the ideas at a young age before reason. Before reason, they're beliefs. They're not understandings. Shout out to twins things writes saying, 'Would you consider doing a piece on the most heinous atrocities committed against the blacks from different religions?' No, sir. I've already done it. It was the trans Saharan slave trade. I've already done it. Do check it out. But the key for progress is not to reflect on suffering. It is to build for a better future. That's the key. What would it take uh for you to become black for the first time? Like how could we get you there?" [laughter]
"Well, well, man, you know, uh I'm already there, but so you know, you have a, you so you're saying a difference of uh belief and and and how everything came about. I have, I don't know your belief system of how do you believe all of this in creation came to exist and uh uh or even the name of it uh, but you know, I I find these things to be true and real to me and uh for those that disagree, then that's be that's exactly how the creator made us that you have a free will to your own."
"What if it's fake? What if everything you're saying is actually not true?"
"Well, because the signs that uh that I have personally received."
"I'm not asking you about your signs. I'm saying, what if it's fake? That's my question."
"Well, I was getting to that because of the the way I view this, the way I, the way I see this and my experiences on this glo planet in this life in this time. Uh, I know that it's not fake."
"I didn't ask you if it's fake. I said, 'What if it's fake?' Then what? I'm not asking you to say it's real. I'm not asking you to to double down on your religion. Again, we get it. I'm saying, 'What if it's fake?'"
"Well, I, I, I can't uh uh elaborate on that because I, I know that it's not. So, in order to elaborate on that, I would have to imagine."
"You're refusing to think. And in order to elaborate on that."
"I'm just asking you to think."
"Real. So fine, you have your religion. Great. Now I'm asking you to think. What if it turned out that that book is just a book and those stories are just stories and everything that you're saying that you learned from these Arabs is fake. Then what? What if?"
"Well, because of my belief system, I can't allow what if to come into into play. And and."
"I'm asking you to think. Are you refusing to think?"
"No. You want me to think about it your way is what you're asking way that and yeah, ask because to introduce the alternative."
"To, to introduce what if or the alternative, then that would be trying to consider it from your perspective and that's."
"No, it's called an alternative. So, for example, you're telling me as a man."
"Are you saying that as a man in a discussion with another man?"
"You're refusing to consider the other person's perspective?"
"No, no, no, no. What I'm saying is that you can have, you have your perspective and I have mine."
"Correct. I'm not asking you to change what you are. I'm asking you, what if?"
"Well, that could easily be said in return. What if I'm correct and you're wrong?"
"I've."
"Listen, I've done series of lectures on the Quran series."
"I've done series of lectures on the Bible."
"With all respect to both sacred texts. I've considered many times if the word of the Quran is pure, unadulterated truth and the word of the one true God, the most high, Allah. I have considered that because I'm an honest, reasonable, rational man. I've considered perspectives other than the one I think is true."
"I have as well, but and I have as well, but."
"A little bit refusing. Why do you keep lying?"
"No. Oh wow. You know what? See? Yeah. Okay. You got that. You got it. You got it."
"You literally just told me you wouldn't, you wouldn't consider it. So now."
"No, I don't do, I don't do that anymore. That doesn't mean it hasn't happened in the past."
"I, I, I know what I know. I believe what I believe. For you is your, like I said in the beginning, from for you is your belief and for me is mine. That, that's it. I, I didn't come, I didn't come on here to uh, you know, in the Quran, I didn't come here to rage bait you and and and get angry and yell and and and you know, all of that. I didn't, I didn't come for none of that. I just, all I, my only thing was those came to protect the religion of your. No, I came to pro protect the word of Allah. Those people that did those great and evil things were not Muslims. Muslims."
"Period."
"You say they are. I say they're not. Now you should be ashamed."
"So now what? You say you say they are."
"You're a blatant liar and you should be utterly ashamed of yourself."
"No. No. See, you're going away from the reality. You said they are. I said they're not. So now what?"
"There's no, sir. It's not a matter of opinion. You're lying. And I'm referencing historical fact. There's no now what? You're here to protect the religion of your masters. You're another black servant. I've seen black servants before. Maybe I can get you to work for me at some point."
"Your historical facts were correct. I never denied that. But I am saying that they, if somebody does that and they are not a Muslim. A Muslim means to submit to the will of Allah. And if you're doing that, you're not in submission to the will of Allah. It's just simp. It's simple."
"You don't know anything about Islam because you do not speak Arabic. You cannot study Islam because Islam is contained in the Quran, the recitation. You can't even recite during salah. And if you were able to recite, you don't even know what you're saying. You're completely ignorant. And you have no shame in your ignorance."
"Now, now, see, you're completely wrong, man. I thought you were sharper than that, man."
"I thought you were that. Imagine being a religion where you don't even know the holy text. Because it's because it's your path."
"Uh, shout out to Mr. Feretta. He writes, 'Peace of Saints. Thank you for your response on wisdom today. I'll go forward like a fearless lunatic on my new path.' And shout out to all the folks who are hardworking and taking risk. And you absolutely should be. Uh, shout out to John. He writes, 'FYI, the terrorist groups that you mentioned before, I think you meant were.' He writes, 'Where literally sponsored and trained via your own country. I think you meant apostrophe s countries the possessive your country's CIA.' No, first off, this is the white man's government. So the I don't control the American government. I don't even have full political enfranchisement of the American government, but go off. He writes, 'The CIA in cooperation with Saudi Gulf States and Israel. Wikileaks is an awesome source.' This is someone who has low IQ but believes himself to be intelligent. This literally has no bearing on anything I've said. And again, you have the people with the fake profile photo, the fake names. And the sad condition of being a fool is that you often don't know that is what you are. Douglas writes, 'My question is, if the Arabs are so kind to blacks, how come none of the oil oligarchs in any of the Middle Eastern families have any black representation? No black oil billionaires in the Middle East, but there are brothers. I'm guessing he's going to say they're not really Muslims. Guessing that's a story again. Shelter John, he writes, 'Muhammad, the most important prophet, had African servants.' Can't say the real word in the Quran. He says Muhammad had African servants, but you know what we mean in the Quran? What do you have to say to that?"
"Nothing. Okay, fair enough."
"There, there uh uh in in ancient times even in even in on the continental uh the continent of of uh Africa, Kibulan, they had."
"We're not talking about Africa. We're not talking about Africa, sir. Just stick to the damn question. He said Muhammad had slaves. What do you say about that? Stick to the question."
"You know, you can't run. That's right."
"I'm answering the question."
"You're getting. You're trying to run. Stay on topic. We didn't ask you about Africa. He asked you about Muhammad having African slaves."
"This is. This is uh yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm a little too old to to debate in that fashion, you know. Uh, maybe you'll do better or have a better uh uh uh show with somebody that's going to."
"Great. You're totally right."
"He says humans are so dumb they will need religion to connect to God. Philosophy alone would not convert everyone today."
"That's correct. They need to believe in something fake. They cannot believe in pure logic. It's, it's too much."
"Yeah. Yeah. I, I too much. Some people uh worship the science and the pure logic. I worship the one who sent that."
"Yeah, sure you do. Shout out to John. He writes, 'I don't understand why they always claim to share your opinion. Then they never say what it is. Instead, they stumble through the debate against a seasoned debater. It's seriously mind-boggling.' I'll tell you why they come in and pretend as though we share opinions. It's because the weakling or the beta male, this is their success strategy. They know in direct conflict they'll lose. It's a, it's kind of feminine. You know, women know they're not physically strong. That's why they manipulate. That's why they do all these other tactics. Passive aggressive. But if you're being just aggressive, you'll lose against a superior competitor. And so they come in playing weak games. That's why they do that. And I hate to see it. I really do. Anyways, uh shout out to Kasim. He writes, 'Peace of Saints. There's no reasoning with the unreasonable. Muslims such as this male. Traitors shall be dealt with in due time. Alhamdulillah.' Shout to Clay. He writes, 'Support for the work marquetism saves lives.' Man, you better believe it. And at some point, it might have to do the opposite. Shout to Wayne. He writes, 'Trying to get religious people out of their religion is like pulling an investor out of the sunk cost fallacy from a bad investment.' Bro, you ain't never lied. And it is in fact a bad investment. This guy's the evidence of it. He couldn't even tell us uh about any major goods that Muslims are doing as an organized body, which is extraordinary. That's an embarrassment to your religion. You can't name any groups that are as impactful as Al-Shabaab, Ala, um, ISIS, um, that's pretty bad."
"Look at this person lying. This person writes, 'I'm black Sudanese and I love and I love Islam.' That's funny because it's actually the Muslims that are uh, taking the lives of the black Sudanese. They're actually trying to exterminate the the Dinka and those in the south of the country, the real inhabitants of the land, and they're funded by another group of Muslims uh from the United Arab Emirates. Extraordinary."
"Well, all I have to say about that is each soul will bear what it has sent forth."
"Where do you get that from? Where do you get that idea from?"
"You know, you know exactly where I get it from."
"No, sir, I don't. Where I'm asking you where do you get that from?"
"I get I get that from Islam."
"What? From the Quran."
"You get that from the Quran?"
"As a matter of fact, I learned it before that when I was a a a Baptist Christian and uh in my youth that you."
"Is it from the Quran or is it not from the Quran?"
"Yeah."
"Yes, it is from the Quran."
"Yeah."
"Okay. What surah? I'd like to find that you don't know."
"You see, that's one of the things I."
"I'm pull, I'mma pull it up exactly what you want me to be incorrect, you know."
"No, I want you to know. I want you to know what you're talking about. I know what I'm talking about, but just because I don't know the specific number and and."
"No, actually that is a problem because if you're a Muslim, you're supposed to in your religion you you supposed to be that you say it's levels. God said, you know, you're supposed to be able to say, God said, blah blah blah. You're supposed to be able to say what God said. You're not a Muslim. You're a faker. You're pathetic. You're not a Muslim. You are a person who likes to dress up. You are a person in a costume. You're not a Muslim. And here's the sickness. You're telling other people they're not Muslims. Imagine not knowing your own."
"I never, I never, I didn't."
"You got the audacity to tell other people who know it better than you that they're not Muslims. You're not a Muslim, buddy. You're not a Muslim. Please stop it. Please stop it. Yeah. You're not a Muslim. And and you're not going to find that in the Quran because you made it up. You're not going to find it in the Quran. Sorry. You're not going to find it there. Tell the truth. Why didn't you study Arabic?"
"I'm in the process of doing that now."
"Why?"
"But because I'm not at a certain level. That's that's that's unsatisfactory for you, right?"
"You're not at any level. You're not at a basic level. You're not conversational. You're not, you don't."
"Well, you know, anything."
"You're at literally level zero."
"To to prove that to you. I just came to make a statement about the uh the fact that."
"You came here to defend."
"Those supremacy that those people have it."
"Those people that were doing uh just like uh you got you got uh people from all nationalities and races. They they might say that they're this and that, but their actions will prove that they're not. That's all I came to say. I didn't come for all of this uh this other uh childish [ __ ] you know, I mean stuff, you know what I'm saying? Not at all. Period. You know."
"So, so I'm not."
"I'm promoting Arab supremacy."
"No, that's what I'm not doing in your mind. I guess you perceive it as that."
"You came on here with an Arab name. You came on here with Arab clothes. You came on here defending an Arab religion."
"When I taught them all."
"Promoting Arab. When my people taught them all, right?"
"Yeah. Right. Yeah."
"What do you mean your people? You don't even follow what your people followed. Your people would never follow uh when my people didn't ancestors. My people didn't."
"Are you talking about your ancestors?"
"So my talking about your ancestors?"
"So my people never worshiped one the one true God."
"You're not talking about the one true. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. That's just yes or no."
"Stop it."
"That's just yes or no. See you, you know how to, you're a professional diverter."
"No, sir."
"You diverted right away from your question."
"No. The answer is no. The answer is no."
"Our people never worshiped one god."
"We don't have the same people, sir. Your your people are of the devil. We don't have the same people. Yeah. Oh, you know."
"Your people are of the devil."
"All right. You won that. I'm, you know, I made a terrible mistake by coming on on to the show."
"No, you made a terrible mistake."
"No, I made a terrible mistake by coming on to that to this show cuz this this man's saying that our that black people ain't never worshiped the one true God."
"He's saying, 'No, we didn't do that.' Yeah, I'm in the wrong arena. A thousand apologies. It'll never happen again. You're lying. Africans worshiped many gods. You're lying."
"So, so none of them lying. None of them."
"Give me one example. Give me one example. Which tribe? Which empire you refer to?"
"Before, before ancient tribe. Tell me what are they called?"
"The Egyptian. Uh, what was the the Egyptians?"
"Yes, there was an Egyptian."
"Let me finish my. See, you're not gonna. See, you a, you just a professional arguer. This isn't a debate. You, you, you, you t."
"Go ahead. I'm listening."
"You tactfully cut people off."
"Name one group of Africans that had one god. Go ahead."
"Ridiculousness."
"Go ahead. I'm, I'm. Go ahead."
"Go ahead."
"There was a pharaoh that came and did away with all of the the worship of many gods and said that it's only one God that we should worship. I'm trying to pull his name up now. I remember that in my uh Egyptian studies. Uh, what was his name? Egyptian Pharaoh that worshiped one God."
"Shout out to Jayen. He writes, 'Peace has more.'"
"Go ahead. Akenaten, originally named Amenhotep, uh ruled Egypt from uh 1353 to 1336. He abandoned traditional polytheism to worship at the Sundisk. Oh, well, yeah, that, yeah, I kind of clamped myself on that one. I could have swore from the books I read it was it said one God, but I didn't, I don't, I didn't know that it said that."
"But hey, man, you know, uh you know, you, you know, hey, you know, you, you, you, you won that. You got that. And whatever you, whatever you, you say about me or whatever thing, you know, you, you got that. I didn't come here for that. And I'm not even into that cuz I'm, I'm into uh us. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not with none of that. You know what I'm saying? But at least the good news is that you, even if I, even if I had my own podcast, I, you know, I wouldn't get on there. You and you are and then you need to be dealt with a minute."
"Can you at least, can you at least say that the good news is you at least learned more about your your black self? You just learned that the black people were not the monotheists that you wanted to make them out to be to fit into your Islamic Arab story. You, you now have figured out that they're polytheists. Can we at least acknowledge that?"
"Well, that's according to this. I'm going to have to do some further research, but uh I don't, I don't believe that."
"Okay. So, you're telling me that you just looked at the research. You don't like."
"Because the books that I read in the 80s. [laughter] Yes. All right. Let me explain. See, see, come on, man. Come on, man."
"I'm just saying. But no, you're, you're telling me that you looked at the research and you don't like the truth. You're going to go try to find."
"That I read in the libraries from the 80s before the internet. It didn't say Sundisk. It said one God. You see what I'm saying? It didn't say Sunday."
"But you don't even remember. So how do you know?"
"Do they even have those books anymore?"
"What if you don't remember correctly?"
"Yeah."
"What if you don't remember?"
"Well, I remember what I read correctly and now that I'm looking at Google, it's changed and rearranged."
"Okay. So if you do remember correctly, which group of Africans were monotheists?"
"It was it was the uh it was the Egyptians under uh Akenaten."
"But that's what you just pulled up. And then you said."
"'Yeah, but now Google. I'm talking about when I read this information when I went when I had to check a library book out to read something, it said something different. Google is ran by these people, man. So I see how they done switched it up and changed it up. But even if I don't know uh, you know, you know."
"Okay. What is a book that you read that in? What is a book you read that in?"
"This was decades ago. You talking about the 19, the mid 80s, man. I don't remember the exact name of a book. Uh, but hey, you know what? However you wanted to, you, you got that. You won every argument. Hey, man, you got that. You know, I'm not, I'm not here for that ever. And I don't even know how to play that. I don't even know how to play that kind of game. So, I'll leave that for those that do. You know what I'm saying? You got that. You won there. There you have it. You want."