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EVEN MORE DESPERATE. >> Trace: INDEED IT DOES. JOHN THANK WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU AS THE NEWS WARRANTS ON THIS. LET'S BRING IN A FORMER HOMICIDE DETECTIVE, POLITICAL STRATEGIST, FOUNDER OF L.A. MOM MAGAZINE, FORMER FBI SPECIAL AGENT AND FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR, NICOLE PARKER AND FORMER FBI SPECIAL AGENT STEWART KAPLAN. THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING ON.
STEWART, TO YOU FIRST, I WANT TO PLAY A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THIS VIDEO THAT SAVANNAH GARBUTT POSTED TODAY AND THEN I'LL GET YOUR TAKE ON IT. >> NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE, EVEN IF YOU'RE FAR FROM TUCSON, IF YOU SEE ANYTHING, IF YOU HEAR ANYTHING, IF THERE IS ANYTHING AT ALL THAT SEEMS STRANGE TO YOU, THAT YOU REPORT TO LAW ENFORCEMENT, WE'RE AT AN HOUR OF DESPERATION.
>> Trace: THE DEADLINE, STEWART, HAS NOW COME AND GONE. WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT A PAYMENT IS NOT POSSIBLE IN SOME CAPACITY. WE'RE SAYING THAT WE DON'T KNOW OF ANY PAYMENT. THE FBI IS INTIMATING THAT THERE HAS BEEN NO PAYMENT. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT HER MANNERISM S, THE NOTE ITSELF WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ABOUT THIS STORY?
>> LET ME SAY TWO THINGS. ONE IS, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT SAVANNAH GUTHRIE CAME OUT UNSCRIPTED. SHE SPOKE TO HOW SHE WAS FEELING. TO THE POINT OF THE FBI AND ITS MOST RECENT STATEMENT, TRACE, IT'S BEEN FOUR DAYS. IT WASN'T UNTIL LAST THURSDAY THAT THERE WAS A PUBLIC PRESS CONFERENCE. MY TAKE, AND I KNOW THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A CURVE BALL AND THE PANEL MAY OR MAY NOT AGREE WITH ME, I TAKE THE SILENCE OR THE FACT THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS GONE SILENT AS AN INDICATION OF CONFIDENCE IN THIS CASE. I THINK THE ONE THING I WOULD THINK WE WOULD ALL AGREE WITH, THE PERSON WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ABDUCTION AND THE KIDNAPPING AND THE MURDERING OF NANCY GUTHRIE WAS IN HER CIRCLE. THAT'S SOMEONE THAT SHE KNEW. THAT MAKES THE WEB MUCH SMALLER. I THINK THE FBI AND LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS A PRIMARY SUSPECT, I THINK THEY ARE WAITING IT OUT. I THINK IT'S NOT CHARGEABLE RIGHT NOW. IT MAY BY CIRCUMSTANTIAL. IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF DISCOVERY. I THINK IT'S A QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT THIS PERSON IS GOING TO MAKE A MISTAKE. I ALSO JUST WANT TO MAKE A QUICK POINT. THE FORMER DEPUTY DIRECTOR, FBI, DAN BONINO WAS ON TONIGHT, HE SAID AND I AGREE, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE IN THIS DAY AN AGE TO GET AWAY WITH NOT LEAVING SOME DIGITAL FOOTPRINT. THE FACT THAT WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING, IS -- I THINK THE FBI HAS SOMETHING, THEY ARE JUST KEEPING THIS VERY CLOSE TO THE VEST.
>> Trace: THREE-POINT. HE'S TALKING ABOUT, ONE, A DIGITAL FOOTPRINT. TWO, YOU SEE GUTHRIE AND HE THINKS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS CONFIDENT AT THIS POINT IN TIME. SAVANNAH DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE CONFIDENT AT ALL. SHE SAID THE FAMILY IS DESPERATE. HOW DOES THIS LOOK TO YOU?
>> IT'S DIFFICULT BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE THE LEE DETECTIVE ON THE CASE THERE ARE THINGS YOU'RE GOING TO HOLD CLOSE TO THE VEST BECAUSE IF IT GETS OUT IT CAN COMPROMISE THE CASE. YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT SOMETHING FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD WHEN YOU GO TO TRIAL, NOT TODAY. THEY MAY HAVE SOMETHING AND IF THEY DON'T YOU CAN UNANIMOUS HER PLEA.
>> Trace: IT'S INTERESTING, BECAUSE YOU LOOK AT HER BODY LANGUAGE AND YOU KIND OF READ THIS AND AS A JOURNALIST, AND I WAS KIND OF LOOKING AT THIS AND YOU SEE THAT SHE SEEMS LESS EMOTIONAL, BUT MORE DESPERATE. SHE USED THE WORD "DESPERATE." SHE DIDN'T APPEAR AS EMOTIONAL AS SHE DID IN THE FIRST COUPLE, BUT SHE DOES APPEAR TO BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT THE EDGE OF THE CLIFF HERE.
>> I MEAN, IT'S HER MOTHER. ALL OF US CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT YOUR MOTHER BEING KIDNAPPED, AN 86 YEAR OLD MOTHER WHO LIVES BY HERSELF. NOBODY KNOWS, EXCEPT FOR HER AND THE PEOPLE WORKING ON THE CASE. ALL OF US ARE INVESTED INTO THE CASE, AND YEARNING FOR THE MOMENT WE KNOW HER MOTHER IS ALIVE AND COMING TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY AND I FEEL SO PROUD AS AN AMERICAN THAT FINALLY CNN, FOX, NBC NEWS, WE'RE ALL COMING TOGETHER BECAUSE WE JUST WANT TO HELP BRING THE MOM HOME.
>> Trace: NICOLE, FBI STATEMENT, THERE WERE A LOT OF THINGS AND YOU PROBABLY READ THIS FOUR OR FIVE TIMES, A LOT OF THINGS JUMPED OUT AT ME. I WANT TO READ THIS PART BECAUSE THIS PART TO ME I THOUGHT WAS, YOU KNOW, THE MOST STRIKING. IT LEADS WITH, FOR MORE THAN A WEEK, FBI AGENTS, ANALYSTS AND STAFF HAVE WORKED AROUND THE CLOCK TO REUNITE GUTHRIE WITH HER FAMILY. THE FBI IS NOT AWARE OF ANY CONTINUING COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE FAMILY AND KIDNAPPERS. NOR HAVE WE IDENTIFIED A SUSPECT OR PATTERSON OF INTEREST IN THE CASE AT THIS TIME. IF THERE IS NO COMMUNICATION, COULD THERE POSSIBLY BE A PAYMENT? COULD THERE POSSIBLY BE INFORMATION THAT THEY ARE JUST NOT TELLING US?
>> THERE COULD BE. AND, IN MY OPINION, THE FBI, LIKE STEWART MENTIONED, THEY ARE GOING TO KEEP IT VERY TIGHT TO THE VEST. THEY AREN'T GOING TO BE DIVULGING INFORMATION AT THIS TIME BECAUSE THEY NEED TO CONTINUE TO GATHER AS MUCH EVIDENCE AS THEY CAN. I BELIEVE THAT THEY WILL NOT BE COMING FORWARD WITH ANYTHING SUBSTANTIAL UNTIL THEY HAVE A PERSON OF INTEREST AND POTENTIALLY SOMEONE IN CUSTODY, OR UNTIL NANCY GUTHRIE IS BROUGHT BACK AND RETURNED TO HER FAMILY. AND WE'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT SEEING THAT RIGHT NOW. BUT AGAIN IT GOES BACK TO THE RANSOM EMAILS. WHAT WAS THE INTENTION OF THESE EMAILS? IF THE GUTHRIES WERE TO PAY, FOR INSTANCE, AND THERE IS NO RETURN OF NANCY GUTHRIE, I WOULD SAY WITHIN THE NEXT 12 HOURS OR SO, AGAIN, GIVE OR TAKE, AROUND THAT TIME FRAME, THEN IT'S A HOAX. OR, IF THE OFFENDERS WERE CONNECTED TO THE RANSOM EMAILS AND THERE IS NO RETURN OF NANCY GUTHRIE OR A SIGN OF WHERE SHE MIGHT BE, THEN I BELIEVE IT'S A FALSE FLAG. EITHER WAY, WE NEED NANCY GUTHRIE TO BE RETURNED TO HER FAMILY, AND THE FBI AND ALL OF LAW ENFORCEMENT WILL NOT STOP UNTIL THAT HAPPENS.
>> Trace: YES. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. BUT AGAIN, EMMETT, I GO BACK TO THE FBI THING, AND THIS WHOLE PHRASE WHERE IT COMES OUT AND SAYS, THERE IS -- WE HAVE NOT IDENTIFIED A SUSPECT OR A PERSON OF INTEREST IN THIS CASE AT THIS TIME. IT'S NOT LIKE THE SHERIFFS HAVE IDENTIFIED SOMEBODY AND THEY ARE NOT LETTING ON TO THE FBI. THIS SEEMS LIKE IT'S A BLANKET STATEMENT FOR ALL OF LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THAT AREA. SEEMS STRIKING TO ME. WHAT ABOUT YOU?
>> IF YOU LOOK AT IT THE WHOLE CASE HAS BEEN UNPRECEDENTED IN THE SENSE WE'VE NEVER REALLY HAD A KIDNAPPING CASE THAT'S BEEN GIVEN TO THE MEDIA. FIRST THEY GIVE IT TO TMZ AND A FEW LOCAL STATIONS DOWN IN ARIZONA. BEING GIVEN ONLY TO THE STATION IN ARIZONA. EVEN TMZ DOESN'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. THERE ARE WORDS COMING FROM HARVEY LEVIN THAT ARE APPARENTLY BEING WRITTEN IN THE NOTE. LEVIN SAID THE PERSON WHO WROTE IS NOTE IS VERY WELL SPOKEN. WE DON'T KNOW. MAYBE THEY DO IT THROUGH A.I. THERE ARE TOO MANY UNKNOWNS EXCEPT WE KNOW THEY WANT TO GET IT THROUGH BITCOIN AND THEY ARE VERY RETICENT TO GIVE ANY SIGN OF LIFE WHICH COULD MEAN THEY ARE REALLY TRYING TO COVER THEIR TRACKS.
>> Trace: PAUL MARROW SAID THE FOLLOWING HERE. WATCH. >> I DON'T READ ANYTHING INTO THE FACT THAT HER SIBLINGS ARE NOT WITH HER THIS TIME. IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THIS IS THE FIRST SPONTANEOUS VIDEO THAT WE'VE GOTTEN. I WOULD ARGUE THAT THIS ONE LIKELY NOT COACHED BY THE FBI. UNLIKE WHAT WE SAW IN THE PAST. IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE AN AIR OF DESPERATION.
>> Trace: IT REALLY DOES, KATY, LOOK LIKE SHE JUST WENT OUT AND DID THIS ON HER OWN. SHE'S VERY GOOD AT BROADCASTING. WE KNOW THAT. SHE LOOKS LIKE SHE WANTED SOMETHING OUT. SHE WANTED SOMETHING TO BE OUT THERE AND SHE PUT IT OUT.
>> I MIGHT BE A LITTLE CONTROVERSIAL BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT SHE ALSO MIGHT BE SAYING WE NEED YOU, WE'RE DESPERATE, AND THEY HAVE A LEAD AND THEY ARE TRYING TO KIND OF PUT IT OFF THE TRACKS. BUT WATCHING HER, AND REALLY CONNECTING WITH THE AUDIENCE, AND SAYING, IF YOU DO HAVE INFORMATION, WE NEED TO CORROBORATE, WHATEVER LEAD THERE MAY BE. I ALSO THINK THE FBI MIGHT HAVE INFORMATION WHICH IS WHY THEY HAVE GONE QUIET. I TEND TO AGREE WITH STEWART THERE. AND NOW THIS IS KIND OF THIS SONG AND DANCE UNTIL THEY FINALLY CAN ZERO IN ON THEIR SUSPECTS.
>> Trace: IT REALLY IS. IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS, STEWART KAPLAN, GOING BACK TO YOU, A FORMER FBI AGENT TOLD ME THE WHOLE IDEA BEHIND RANSOM, AND YOU WOULD PROBABLY AGREE WITH THIS THE WHOLE IDEA BEHIND KIDNAPPINGS THAT HE'S BEEN INVOLVED WITH IF THESE RANSOME NOTES DON'T COME DAYS LATER LIKE THIS. THEY COME IN HOURS. AND THE PROOF OF LIFE COMES IN HOURS. AND IT IS REPEATEDLY COMING. THERE IS ALWAYS PROOF OF LIFE. BECAUSE THEY WANT WHOEVER IS GOING TO PAY THIS, TO KNOW THAT THERE IS SOMETHING VALUABLE IN EXCHANGE FOR WHAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE.
>> A HUNDRED PERCENT ACCURATE. 20 OR 30 YEARS AGO, WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, TECHNOLOGY YOU COULD WAIT IT OUT IN. THIS DAY AND AGE YOU WANT TO GET IN AND GET OUT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. AGAIN, DON'T LEAVE ANY POTENTIAL DIGITAL FOOTPRINTS. THE PROBLEM ALSO, TRACE, QUITE FRANKLY, THIS IDEA THAT NANCY GUTHRIE IS GOING TO BE TURNED BACK OVER ALIVE AND WELL. KEEP IN MIND THAT WOULD BE A TREASURE TROVE OF EVIDENCE FOR THE FBI TO GO OUT AND IDENTIFY WHO THAT PERSON OR PEOPLE WERE. MALE, FEMALE. DIALECT. ACCENT. AGE. HOW FAR DID THEY TAKE HER? TRACE, IN THIS CASE, ABSENT SOMEONE PARACHUTING INTO NANCY GUTHRIE'S HOUSE AND JETTISONING OUT OF HER HOUSE, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN DIGITAL FOOTPRINTS. THE FBI IS EXPLORING TECHNOLOGY THAT HAS NEVER BEEN DEPLOYED IN THESE TYPE OF CASES BEFORE. IT'S UNPRECEDENTED. THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT SEEING THE FBI FRONT AND CENTER, KEEP IN MIND, JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO DURING THE BROWN UNIVERSITY SHOOTING SCENARIO, WE COULDN'T GET AWAY FROM THE FBI GETTING IN FRONT OF THE PODIUM OR LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT. NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE MAJOR NATIONAL CASE WITH SUCH NOTORIETY, WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THE FBI, THAT TELLS ME THEY HAVE GOT THEIR PERSON AND THEY ARE JUST GOING TO PLAY A CAT AND MOUSE GAME.
>> Trace: DO YOU THINK THEY HAVE THEIR PERSON?
>> IT SEEMS HIGHLY PROBABLE. I AGREE, IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE AND YOU'RE READY TO PUT THEM INTO CUSTODY YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ALL OF YOUR DUCKS IN A ROW, AND TO GET HER BACK ALIVE.
>> Trace: THAT'S A GOOD POINT. IN THE MEANTIME PANEL, STAND BY, LET'S FOCUS ON THE TIMELINE OF THE RANSOM NOTES AS WELL AS THE MESSAGING ISSUED BY THE FAMILY. KEVIN LIVE IN D.C. GOOD EVENING.
>> THERE HAVE NOW BEEN MULTIPLE DEADLINES HAVE THAT BEEN PASSED. THERE ARE NEW CONCERNS ABOUT NOT JUST THE TRAJECTORY OF THE INVESTIGATION BUT, OF COURSE, THE ALSO POSSIBLE FATE FOR THE 84-YEAR-OLD NANCY GUTHRIE. THE FIRST DEADLINE AS YOU KNOW PASSED ON THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 5, WITH AN ALLEGED RANSOM CALLING FOR A $4 MILLION BITCOIN PAYMENT. AND WHILE WE KNOW LITTLE OF WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE TRANSPIRED WITH RESPECT TO NEGOTIATION BETWEEN THE FAMILY AND THE ELDER GUTHRIE'S APPARENT ABDUCTORS THEREAFTER WE DO KNOW THAT A SECOND DEADLINE FEBRUARY 9th, THAT'S TODAY, HAS SINCE COME AND GONE. ALTHOUGH WE'VE BEEN LED TO BELIEVE THEY HAVE ASKED FOR A $6 MILLION BITCOIN PAYMENT. SOME EXPERIENCED INVESTIGATORS WORRY ONCE THE MONEY HAS BEEN SENT THE CHANCE FOR GETTING MS. GUTHRIE BACK OR THAT CASH MIGHT BE SLIM.
>> ONCE THAT MONEY IS IN THAT WALLET, CHANCES OF YOU EVER TRACKING THAT MONEY DOWN IS SLIM TO NONE AND SLIM JUST LEFT.
>> BOTTOM LINE, THEY NEED TO HAVE PROOF OF LIFE. IN THE MEANTIME PRAYERS, AND, OF COURSE, THE WAITING CONTINUES TONIGHT, TRACE.
>> Trace: KEVIN CORKE, WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU AS NEWS WARRANTS. THANK YOU. LET'S BRING BACK IN THE PANEL. WHAT KEVIN WAS SAYING THERE, IT FASCINATES ME BECAUSE I WANT TO KNOW WHY IS THERE NOT BEEN A THIRD DEADLINE ISSUED IN THIS? YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE CASE AND YOU THINK IS THERE NO THIRD DEADLINE AND SO FAR, NO NEW DEMAND. I KNOW THEY WERE ASKING FOR $6 MILLION IN CRYPTO BUT THERE IS NO NEW DEMAND OR DE LINE SO UNLESS NEW INFORMATION COMES OUT IN THE NEXT FEW HOURS, 24 HOURS OR SO IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THE FBI IS RIGHT. THE COMMUNICATION HAS BEEN CUT OFF.
>> WELL, I THINK, AS A JOURNALIST LOOKING AT THIS CASE AND ALSO AS A MOTHER, I'M HOPEFUL. I'M HOPEFUL THIS IS IT. THERE ARE NO OTHER DEADLINES. THE DEADLINE HAS COME AND GONE. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IF THERE IS NO SIGN OF LIFE AND SHE WAS ALIVE I THINK WE WOULD KNOW. I THINK THEY HAVE A DEAL. I THINK SHE'S LIVE. I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE HER AND WE'RE GOING TO GET HER HOME.
>> Trace: WHY THE NOTE FROM SAVANNAH, THEN? IF THINGS ARE ABOUT TO BE LOCKED UP OR ARE LOCKED UP, WHY THE NOTE? WHY NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, WHY NOT JUST KEEP YOUR POWDER DRY.
>> TO THROW THEM OFF. IF MOTHERS ARE TAKEN CAPTIVE WE'RE SO DESPERATE, WE'RE JUST GOING TO REACH OUT AND THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN THERE FOR HER AN SHE'S SAYING, IF ANYONE KNOWS ANYTHING, TELL US. MAYBE, WHO KNOWS, YOU RUN OUT OF HOPE AS A CHILD. SHE'S DYING TO SEE HER MOTHER. SHE'S SO WORRIED.
>> Trace: I TOTALLY AGREE. NICOLE PARKER, TO YOU, I'M WONDERING, WHY WOULD YOU PAY OUT RANSOM IF YOU'VE NOT GOTTEN PROOF OF LIFE? WOULD IT BE SOMETHING WOULD YOU THINK IS UNUSUAL, IF YOU'VE NOT GOTTEN PROOF OF LIFE, IF THE FBI IS RIGHT, WHY WOULD YOU PAY THE RANSOM?
>> WELL, WE'RE AT A VERY TOUGH SPOT, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, YOU THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU PUT YOUR AGENT HAT ON BUT YOU ALSO PUT ON YOUR HUMAN HAT AND THIS IS A MOTHER. THE FBI NEVER MAKES THE DECISIONS. THE FAMILY MAKES A DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT A RANSOM WOULD BE PAID AND THE FBI HAS BEEN CLEAR. THEY CAN GIVE A RECOMMENDATION ON WHAT THEY HAVE SEEN, HOW THEY ANALYZE THE STATEMENT, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY IT'S THE FAMILY'S DECISION. ULTIMATELY BECAUSE A FAMILY WANTS THEIR MOM. THAT'S WHY. THEY ARE DESPERATE. TO THEM, TO AN INDIVIDUAL, $6 MILLION, I HAVE SAID IT BEFORE, YOU CAN'T PUT A PRICE TAG ON A LIFE. AGAIN, MAYBE THIS IS A LEGIT RANSOM. MAYBE IT'S A HOAX. MAYBE IT'S A FALSE FLAG. THAT'S UP TO THE FAMILY MEMBERS TO DECIDE, IF WE'RE GOING TO PAY THIS, WE'RE FULLY AWARE THAT WE MAY PUT OUT $6 MILLION AND GET MONEY IN RETURN AND THE COMMUNICATION GOES ABSOLUTELY SILENT. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL, EVERYONE HAS TO MAKE THEIR OWN CHOICE. I FEEL AWFUL THAT THEY ARE EVEN IN THIS SITUATION IN THE FIRST PLACE, AND IF THERE IS ANY SICK INDIVIDUAL THAT IS SO EVIL TO PREY ON THEM IN THEIR MOST DESPERATE MOMENT, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING.
>> Trace: EMMETT, SHE BRINGS UP A GREAT POINT. WAS IT A KIDNAPPING OR A CRIME THAT WENT BAD OR IS IT A HOAX?
>> I THINK IF YOU'RE TO DO A CRIME AND YOU GO INSIDE OF SOMEONE'S HOUSE YOU'VE GOT TO KNOW THERE IS SOMETHING IN THERE THAT YOU WANT AND YOU'RE GOING TO GET YOUR HANDS ON ONCE THEY GET INSIDE. I THINK IT WAS A CAN I NAPPING BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW TO TAKE THE MEDICINE. THERE WAS A LONG PERIOD OF TIME BETWEEN THE TIME HER PACEMAKER LOST CONTACT WITH HER CELL PHONE AND THE CAMERA WAS RIPPED OFF FROM THE OUTSIDE. THEY KNEW TO SEND THE EMAILS, THEY KNEW THEY WANTED BITCOIN. WHAT THEY DON'T KNOW IS THAT BITCOIN IS TRACEABLE ON THE BACK END. BECAUSE THERE ARE LAWS IN PLACE RIGHT NOW, KNOW YOUR CUSTOMER, ANN LAUNDERING LAWS, THAT YOU HAVE TO GIVE AN I.D., IF YOU WANT THE MONEY. IF YOU WANT TO TURN IT BACK INTO ACTUAL SPEND BUILDING CASH YOU'VE GOT TO GIVE AN I.D. AND ONCE THEY DO THEY HAVE GOT YOU.
>> Trace: WHEN THEY -- THERE IS CLEARLY, THERE IS A SEPTIC TANK IN THE BACK. WHEN THEY WENT IN LOOKING AT THAT, RACHAEL, DID YOU THINK, CLEARLY LOOKING FOR A BODY, THEY ARE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING. YOU KNOW, HOMICIDE DETECTIVE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE. SO WHEN YOU DO THAT, DO YOU THINK, OKAY, THIS INVESTIGATION IS TAKING A WHOLE NEW TURN.
>> THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT BUT THE OTHER THING IS YOU'RE IN THAT CRIME SCENE YOU HAVE ONE CHANCE TO DO IT RIGHT SO YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU SCOUR EVERYTHING BECAUSE IF YOU LEAVE SOMETHING UNTURNED YOU LEAVE THE FAMILY QUESTIONING YOU AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT HELPING THEM.
>> Trace: BECAUSE SOMEONE WALKED UP TO YOU AND SAY, HEY, DID YOU CHECK THE SEPTIC TANK?
>> YOU HAVE TO GO IN WITH AN OPEN MIND. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE CASE WILL BE AND IT WILL SURPRISE YOU WHO A MURDER SUSPECT WOULD BE SO YOU HAVE TO GO IN WITH A VERY OPEN MIND AND BE CLEARHEADED AND OPEN 40 HOWEVER THE CASE MAY GO.
>> Trace: IT'S INTERESTING, KATY, BECAUSE NECESSITY HAD SO MUCH INFORMATION IN THE FIRST COUPLE OF DAYS. THE SHERIFF HAD TO WALK BACK SOME OF THAT INFORMATION. A LOT OF CRITICISM ABOUT GIVING THE HOUSE BACK TO THE FAMILY AND THEN RETAKING THE HOUSE, AND NOW, WE'VE HEARD CRICKETS FOR ABOUT TWO OR THREE DAYS. WE'VE HEARD CRICKETS FROM THE LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT. FBI IS GIVING US SOME TRICKLE OF INFORMATION, BUT YOU WONDER, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD THE PLAUSIBLE THEORY WHICH IS, LISTEN, THEY ARE DONE WORKING. THEY HAVE GOT SOME GOOD LEADS TO GO ON AND MAYBE TOMORROW IS THE BIG DAY, WHICH, BY THE WAY, WE'LL BE OUT THERE LIVE TOMORROW WITH OUR SHOW SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO TELL YOU FIRST HAND BUT IT SEEMS TO ME AS IF, YOU KNOW, THE INFORMATION HAS SLOWED TO A TRICKLE.
>> I THINK WE WERE WATCHING THEM OVERSHARE AND THEY OPENED THE CRIME SCENE WAY AHEAD OF WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE AND OBVIOUSLY THEY WALKED THAT BACK AND NOW I THINK THEY HAVE OVERCORRECTING BY BEING INCREDIBLY QUIET. THE FBI FOLLOWING THE TIMELINE, THE FBI INTERVENED OR STEPPED IN OR ASSISTED, I GUESS, WOULD BE THE BETTER WORD, AS THEY BECAME MORE QUIET, AND NOW THE CRICKETS, AS I SAID BEFORE, AND STEWART POINTED OUT, INDICATE, I THINK, THEY ARE ON TO A LEAD RATHER THAN THE OPPOSITE, THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, THOUGH BEING AT THE BASKETBALL GAME AND FACING SCRUTINY, HE SHOULD FACE SCRUTINY FOR THAT. YOU'RE THE LEAD INVESTIGATOR ON THIS, AND SO, I FEEL LIKE THE LOCAL SHERIFFS HAVE HAD KIND OF A DODGE BALL SITUATION WHERE, WITH THE FBI IT'S BEEN PRETTY SEAMLESS.
>> Trace: WHAT WOULD YOU ADD TO THAT STEWART?
>> YOU KNOW, MY ONLY POINT IS, AND, TRACE, WE'VE GONE OVER IT, AND THIS IDEA, KEEP IN MIND, THE JUMPING OFF POINT SAYS, AND WE HAVE WORKED ON THE HYPOTHESIS THAT THIS HAPPENED IN THE WEE HOURS OF THE MORNING SOMETIME AFTER 1:00 A.M. I'M NOT SO SURE THAT NANCY GUTHRIE WAS IN THE HOUSE AT 1:00 IN THE MORNING. SHE COULD HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM THAT HOUSE OR NEVER GOT BACK TO THE HOUSE. AGAIN, THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT WE SEEMINGLY ARE RELYING UPON. KEEP THIS IN MIND, TRACE, ABSENT THE LACK OF A SUBSCRIPTION AGREEMENT TO THESE RING DOOR BELLS, ANYBODY GOING AROUND THAT HOUSE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE ASSUMED, IN LOOKING FOR OTHER VIDEO CAMERAS, THAT THEY THEMSELVES WOULD BE CAPTURED AND UPLOADED INTO THE CLOUD. JUST BY REMOVING THE RING DOOR BELL CAMERA DOES NOT IN AND OF ITSELF GUARANTEE YOU HAVE NOT BEEN CAUGHT ON THAT CAMERA. AGAIN, THAT'S A VERY, VERY SMALL GROUP, INTIMATE GROUP, OF ANY PERSON WHO WOULD HAVE THAT INFORMATION, TO UNDERSTAND, PERHAPS, THEIR MOTHER-IN-LAW, THEIR AUNT, YOU KNOW, THE PERSON THEY LOOK AFTER, DIDN'T RENEW OR DOESN'T HAVE A SUBSCRIPTION TO A RING DOOR BELL CAMERA. IT LEADS ME TO A VERY IDENTIFIABLE SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE.
>> Trace: YES. LAST THOUGHTS FROM YOU, NICOLE, BECAUSE, I MEAN, I STILL HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT THE BLOOD AT THE DOORSTEP. NOWHERE ELSE, NOT ON THE STEPS, NOT IN THE HOUSE, THE BLOOD AT THE DOORSTEP. ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT?
>> LOOK, ONE THING WE KNOW FOR CERTAIN IS IT'S HER BLOOD AND THEY WERE IN THE HOUSE FOR APPROXIMATELY 41 MINUTES, OR AT LEAST THAT'S THE TIME FRAME IN WHICH THE RING DOOR BELL STOPPED WORKING AND THE PACEMAKER -- NO ONE ON THIS PANEL OR ANYONE SPEAKING HAS BEEN TO THE CRIME SCENE AND THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING SO WE'RE ALL DOING THE BEST WE CAN BASED ON OUR INVESTIGATIVE EXPERIENCE BUT I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT AS WELL, STEWART TALKED ABOUT, WE DON'T KNOW THAT SHE WAS EVEN IN THE HOME. WE ALSO DON'T KNOW, DID THE BROTHER-IN-LAW DROP HER OFF? DID HE EVER GO BACK HOME? LAW ENFORCEMENT PROBABLY KNOWS AND IF WE TRACK THE CELL PHONE AND THE EXACT PINGS, THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE OF THINGS THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT KNOWS THAT WE MAY NOT BE PRIVY TO OR THINKING ABOUT, BUT THAT'S ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY. IT DOESN'T LIE. IF YOUR CELL PHONE IS ON, IT'S PINGING OFF OF A TOWER. I'VE HAD THAT QUESTION MYSELF, WAS AT THIS TIME BROTHER-IN-LAW THAT DROPPED HER OFF? DID HE EVER LEAVE THE SCENE? THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF QUESTIONS THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT IS GETTING TO THE BOTTOM OF. BUT LOOKING BACK AT THE BIT COIN, A MEMBER OF THE PANEL MADE A VERY IMPORTANT POINT AND I'LL JUST SAY THIS. PEOPLE MAKE MONEY OFF THE IDEA THAT BITCOIN IS SECURE. OKAY? ANYTHING, IN THIS DAY AND AGE, THROUGH ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY, YOU CAN FI