Standing On Big Dog Business All Of 2026 | NBB Recap w/ Always Evolving Pythons

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Z Trap Talk Reptile Network, the coolest reptile network in the world. Episode 721. Welcome to the very first episode. New breed ON THE BLOCK RECAP. MY BOY BIG E, TOP G. IT'S 2026, MY GUY. HERE WE GO. 2026 721. Let's [ __ ] go, man.

>> No. Hey, listen. Hey, the the strongest will survive.

>> And I feel like there's a lot of strong [ __ ] still around right now, especially in the chats. But man, what's what's good, buddy? How Hey, how's your new year been, man?

>> Uh, well, we've uh we we had a nice little I guess vacation for the month of December. I had one show early in early in the month and

>> right

>> I've just been working the animals, enjoying the holiday, enjoying time off and now I'm ready to hit the road.

>> Dog, you're not kidding, man. Are you excited? You know, we're going to get into tonight's sponsors, which is obviously the Reptile Super Show, which Alio, man, I I can't tell you how excited I've been that we're already this time of year where you're going to be pulling up. We always talked about you just coming to visit, but now this is gonna be your second time bending, bro.

Yes. Yeah. This is going to be a yearly thing for us uh in January for, you know, to go vend the the super show with you with more morph market with uh with Rammy. Man, Ramy's the man, bro. There's there's not much more I can say.

>> The reptile super show is exactly that. Super.

>> Ramy's the goat when it comes to reptile shows. He's like when it comes for pound-for-pound consistencies consistency and also the volume like the amount of people that show up like regardless of what's happening with the market people show up to these [ __ ] reptile super shows and that's what people need. You need you need foot traffic period.

>> Incredible. Incredible.

>> Yeah. I'm excited, man. So guys, Reptile Super Show happening this weekend, January 10th and 11th. As you just heard, Billino Reptiles will be in attendance, man, with many other Florida hitters. Uh I will be there with Morph Market as well. So, pull up. It's going to be an awesome time.

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>> Yeah, it's going to be dope.

>> Yeah, it's going to be no joke, man. And again, guys, go check them out on Instagram. Check out them out on YouTube and also on Morph Market. I'll put all the links in description below. Shout out to Jersey Guys Balls.

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>> The leader. The leader in all things now. Okay. And And going forward.

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>> Dar Darren ain't playing.

>> No.

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And if you want to talk about on point, starting 2026 with a big dog, Miguel Garcia, bro, what the [ __ ] I think he did this for us last year, too, man. But

>> okay, listen, there's been a little bit of I guess you could say talk going on in some platforms about like, oh, poohoo, the [ __ ] big dogs in the ball python game don't give two shits about anyone else in the hobby. They're only here to make money off of you. Well, I want to hear what Miguel has to say about that first and foremost because that's just kind of [ __ ] funny. This guy's only looked after so many people in the hobby. So have you. That's why you guys have built your own community. Even myself. So we are going to get down to why we are we are standing on big dog business all 2026, bro. We're not [ __ ]

>> bro. We are serving it up. So are you ready to bring on or what?

>> Let's go.

>> All right. You guys ready for a treat? Hey, shout out to everyone in the chats, bro. Hey, Bunit members in the chats. Trappers in the chats. Real ones in the chats. [ __ ] the strong [ __ ] hitters in the chat. You guys are in for a treat. So do what you got to do to get your mind right and do what you got to do to stay hydrated. Episode 721. Miguel Garcia always evolving pythons coming at you right now. Let's go. Cheers.

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>> and we're live. Welcome back, Miguel Garcia. Hey, what's up, brother? How are you guys?

>> Legend, bro. You're a legend.

>> No, a little bit. A little bit.

>> Hey, how's everyone?

>> Good, man. How are you?

>> Good, good. I'm a little under the weather, so I might be in the coughing and sneezing a little bit. I did take some medicine, so you know, so I sound a little congested. Just just bear with me till these meds kick in.

>> Why do you always have Why do you always have a solution to any of your problems? I feel like always

>> I like that. I like that when when someone says, "Oh, the legend." Yeah. A little bit. A little bit. It's nice.

>> Just a little bit though. I mean, I'm getting used to it now. If I say no, then they're going to like, "Oh, this guy's this, this, and that." But

>> I'm a little used to it now. How was everyone's New Year's by the way

>> and Christmas? Great.

>> Yeah.

>> That's good. That's good.

>> How about yours? I fel I felt like you've done a lot of traveling in Mexico recently.

>> Uh, yes. You know, how's that been going,

>> dude? It's been going really really good, man. And it seems every month is getting better and better over there. I mean said I I you know shared some news with you here that we'll get into that you know um in a little bit but yeah just love love seeing how everything's working out over there. You know our facility out in Mexico um you know big shout out to my partner you know Hector from Union Pythons. We just you know opened up two more rooms. We're breeding a lot more things now than just ball pythons. Um, you know we're uh we're looking at what 80 clutches this season so far just uh just in Mexico out there. And yeah, it's doing really really good man. Doing really really good.

What's the level of quality in Mexico with your stuff right now over there? Like I mean, you know, can you have you know Justin has like his B room his B building and stuff like that?

>> Yeah. Yeah. Where like it's like almost like a almost a league just below your [ __ ] or

>> Yeah. So yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So you know how like Justin has his his uh his facility, right? It's like all pi stuff, right? But it's like

>> DJ Pides, you know, things like that, we're over there. We're more like just working with like DJ clowns, starting to make DJ clown hats and and things like that. Um, I know in Mexico now there's been two people to hit, you know, three uh triple visuals now. Um, they've hit a uh what was it? A uh a lavender albino clown. And then uh which was from Akachi Pythons. And then uh 452 reptiles. They made a what was it? A genetic stripe desert ghost pie. Yeah, something like that. I mean, people are killing it out there, man. They're doing some cool stuff.

And you know, are you helping a lot of them out with like how the market should plan out? I mean, how's the pricing stuff in like that working out?

>> Yeah, the pricing over there is really good. Um, I always tell everyone to go off of pretty much the morph market, you know. Big shout out to Morph Market as well, too. You know, like when I get questions, you know, like, hey, what do you think you should price this? I'm like, dude, go off of Morph Market. You know, from there, you could really kind of get an understanding. But you also have to understand, too, the the vessel to the dollar over there is way different, you know. So they say if a snake out here in the states is, I don't know, $2,000. What I've noticed is, you know, if they have something close to that pricing, they'll knock off maybe like $500 or something like because we're not they're not in the states, you know, they're they're they're working with pesos, not dollars.

>> Yeah. And they know what a lot of money is.

>> Yes. But but but you know what it it's I've seen more people invested this last uh 2025 um than I have any other year out there, man. Just when I went to Animalia, I mean, shoot, dude. There was they were expecting 7,000 people through the doors and they ended up getting like 9,000 people through the both days, Saturday and Sunday.

>> Wow.

>> Yeah, it is. Yeah, they need I think they need to start changing location now because it's it's getting way way too crowded in there, man. But that's how big the uh the industry is growing out there.

>> Yeah. Go ahead, Amelia. I feel like

>> it's all all demand, right? I mean,

>> pricing isn't an issue over there. Everything's selling like hotcakes,

>> dude. It really really is. Especially now more now more than ever, you know. It's, you know, it's pretty cool. You know, in Animalia, you know, we did really good out there, but right now the demand is super super high. You know, again, like um one thing I was going to do a video on like the whole market, you know, like, you know, people always ask me what are my thoughts on it.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, sometimes, you know, I feel like if people like if I tell them people are going to get so butt hurt, they're like, "Oh, well, you're just, you know, saying that cuz you're here or or this guy's there and stuff like that." But, you know, um what what I've noticed just like in Mexico right now, obviously they don't have a a crash right now in their market or anything like that, right? Reptiles or anything in general.

>> I I have a lot of successful friends. You know, we you know, hang out with them a lot. You know, this could be a guy that, you know, owns a dealership, a concrete plant, a couple of restaurants, uh a trucking company. You know, we sit down and talk. You know, it's not just our industry, man. It's literally like the whole the whole just the the whole economy, you Yeah, exactly.

>> It's it's the it you know and we sit down and go through these things and and in our case, you know, the first thing, you know, which is normal is to panic, right? It's like, dude, I just invested, you know, 50 60 grand in here and, you know, blah blah blah, you know, but what I've always done, you know, even before when I had a gym and things were really, really bad, you know, it just, you know, you just have to, you know, put a little more elbow grease and work a little harder, you know, and try things that you weren't doing before to, you know, make these sales or do this or that. It's not just the reptile industry. It's pretty much everything honestly.

>> Yeah. But then again, like how many things in life will kind of get in your tracks, but if you love it that much, it's not going to stop you. How many uphill battles have you had throughout the years even the game? And like the consistency, bro, that doesn't come with no lack of like ethics or like work ethic. Like you've been kill you've been killing it. And that's why like here, dude, let's get into it. Because what's [ __ ] pissing me off, bro, is like no matter what era we're at in the market, there's always the ones who are either phased out. We're never really in it, but in it, but they're the ones always poking at the [ __ ] most successful ones. And guess what? I never see successful breeders going after successful breeders. Do you? I don't.

>> No, I don't. And if they do, it's maybe personal. It's never on It's never in the comments. It's never like pathetically being put out on a podcast on a weak ass platform. You know what I'm saying? And and and if you look at the person's talking What? Who are you to even [ __ ] talk [ __ ] about a market when you have no really no substance in the market currently? Period. You know what I'm saying? Like, how hard have you worked with building the people that you've taken care of since day one, Miguel? I don't understand,

>> dude. Dude, I know, man. And I try to tell this to people, man. I mean, like you said, like the people that have one foot in the door and then one foot out, dude, you're never going to really go at it. If you don't go balls to the wall in any industry, in any business that you're doing, you're not going to make it, man. If you already have that little bit of hesitance, it's like this is really going to work or is it not going to work? Dude, it's it's not, you know, so you have to go, you know, all four. When we when we decided to sell everything like the whole jams and nutrition shop and everything, I knew right there and then I had no fallback. I was like, dude, I have to make this work regardless. And then we came in right when COVID hit. So then I was like my whole investment I was like, "Oh, dude, I have no more money." But, you know, we made it work, man. We just we grinded now. And, you know, and we're still continuing doing the same thing, you know. Um, just recently, you know, I've been getting a lot of messages, you know, people ask, "Hey, man, how how are you doing with sales? How are, you know,

>> you know, I just, you know, you don't really put up on Morph Market or things like that, you know, and

>> I I I've sometimes want to like show, oh man, yeah, you know, we just sold this amount of snakes or this and that, but there's so much hate that I've been, you know, people are like, you know, like they're hating on like the people that are the bigger names and things like that. But since I do want to share things like that, you know, like how are things going? You know, I honestly right now I have no complaints, you know, it's the same exact as it was 2024, 2023, 2022.

>> And what's crazy is like you are current about sharing [ __ ] Like you don't ever ghost and disappear for a little bit. Like you are staying like consistently locked into what you have going on and letting people know. And honestly, bro, like,

>> dude, people who really want your [ __ ] and can't find it on Morph Market that easy. It's only going to make them want it even more. I mean, you're not like like you could you don't have an issue selling. Not that Morph Market doesn't help, but you don't rely on it and you got other avenues where people get them from you. You know,

>> Morph Market is my number one seller right now. Not from snakes that I actually post on there, but people will message me on the snake that's still on there. Hey man, do you have this available or do you have this available? Yes. you know, that's my number one seller. Morph Market dude is, you know, it's it's where everything goes. But since I don't really post much on there, I'll get a message from a current snake on there or, you know, from from that or Instagram.

>> You shipped a lot with them last year, didn't you? You eventually started

>> dude. Yeah. And it was, dude, it was the coolest and the best switch that we've had, not only financially, and I mean, dude, when you put the numbers like at the end of the year, dude,

>> holy hell, dude. It's I mean it's a no-brainer. Yeah, dude. We We ship a lot through Mark Market, dude. A lot a lot, man.

>> Yeah, dude. Thanks. Big shout out to them as well, dude.

>> Uh it's [ __ ]

>> We have a lot of We have a lot of plans of shipping out a lot this year with them as well, too. Once we get a little some breaks, you know, some little wind open windows, we're going to be doing a lot of shipping.

>> Yeah, cuz your breeding season's wild, bro. Like you you the the peak of things as far as ending is like the end of the year, but then you still go right into more breeding now. like it's not stopping for you.

>> No, you know, it's it's this is going to be our second year going uh full year round when we don't have to shut off our incubators.

>> Um the only difference is that this So last year we were probably already about like 60 clutches in, but I was doing like the 2023 and 2024 we did about 110 to 120 clutches. Last year 2025 we did 82. And this year we're going in from from right here. anything that's going to be hatching out of like in 2026, we're looking from here to March maybe around like 45 50 clutches. Then my season don't start again till around September, you know, uh October, stuff like that. So, we're around like, you know, the only thing that's changed is just like, you know, the clutch the amount of clutches that we have cuz I got rid of a lot of females.

>> But you're also hatching out heavier [ __ ] though. Like

>> don't you think that should also kind of even out? Like it's okay if you're not hitting as many, but you're hitting crazier stuff. Like,

>> dude, it's balanced itself out a lot better, man. A lot better. Now I'm not just making like 300, 200 snakes that are not going to, you know, really be selling or I'm going to be, you know, like not knowing what to do with them and stuff like that, you know. And my rap bill,

>> dude, has put a watch. You want to hear something crazy? Want to hear something super crazy, dude? Okay. So 2024 and 2023, um, my RAP bill every week was about $15 to like $1,700. Just put that in like every every week.

>> Think about that.

>> Damn.

>> So So just this last year right now, we've been around like $800 to $900 a week.

>> Oh, that's

>> just feeding. No. And um yeah, it's it's a bit I mean, you know, we've we've cut that down a lot. And it seems like I mean like again when we were doing the 120 clutches to 110 clutches about 70 of those clutches were like powerhouse clutches, right? And then you want to hope to hit the odds on them. Now we're doing about let's say 70 to 80, but I'll say 70 of those clutches are stuff that I I'm like excited. It's not one clutch where I'm like, "Oh man, not too excited about it." You know, it's like every clutch is just now are we going to hit the odds? Are we doing this? And then with shed testing, I'm doing, you know, with crazy stuff now that I wouldn't have done previous years, you know.

>> Yeah. You have something to say, Miam or?

>> No, we kind of I was going to go back to that topic real quick, but um yeah, what you were talking about right there, Miguel, that's great business at the end of the day. Uh reducing your overhead and producing the right stuff, right?

>> Yeah. No, definitely. And I think that's just overall a great balance just, you know, with the business and just for the whole industry, you know.

>> Yeah. Um, to viewers and listeners that are, you know, hit both sides of this uh, you know, both channels or whatnot, I'm going to tell you this. Don't listen to people that have failed at most things they've ever done in their life. Okay? All right. Now they're attacking the high-end market that they used to have sponsorship with.

>> Right.

>> Funny.

>> So, and then it's funny to me because it almost sounds like political warfare, class warfare.

>> And then >> also used to freaking advocate for what? Them white gloves. What happened to them white gloves, bro?

>> Dude, you nailed it right there.

>> White gloves. Now the white gloves don't exist.

>> Yeah. Where the gloves go.

>> Where they at? So I don't know. I had to get that off of my chest.

>> Yeah, dude. You knew that's I'm glad you said that.

>> Yeah.

>> My version would have been a lot more mean. Yeah.

>> Hey, look. Another thing

>> I love it.

>> People fail at most things.

>> They think others can't do it.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. That's one thing. So it it's um when someone fails at this then they start getting the other person on like hey man you know, didn't work out for me it's not going to work out for you then it's it's like it's it you know it's a domino effect right that's why it's like I dude I try to avoid as much negativity with with every you know every aspect of life you know but that's the way you know a a a negative mind is always going to create negative thoughts and it's going to just you know it's it's crazy how much that works man and it sucks cuz I hear people oh well this guy said you know he had this and this and it's not working out for him. Well, have you tried something different? No. Well, have you guys tried, you know, like uh advertising your own like way of doing channels, doing, you know, uh stories, doing creative stuff? They're like, no. And that's why I tell everybody, man, like, dude, work on your own like advertising, man. We don't have to pay for advertising as much as we used to anymore. Instagram alone and YouTube, you guys are doing pretty much like what you're supposed to do. I mean, MJ, look at you what you've came to do when just from the beginning. You went through some hurdles yourself, too. Remember? I mean, dude, and it's crazy now. Like, dude, everyone gets excited about your about your about your podcast. Everyone gets excited when you guys get together. Dude, I get excited about these things. And I used to be very flaky with you back in the day. Now, it's like when you tell me, I'm like, "Yep, I'm in." You know, cuz

>> Well, I did I mean, you were coming on a lot like you I don't know. I would I would I needed you a lot all the time. And you did. I'm surprised you you Dude, Miguel, you're a busy guy, bro. And you've done a lot for me. And I will say thank you so much. There's been times where I'm like, "Wow." like I can't believe he still came on my show. You know what I mean? So, and I know how you are, bro. I know how busy your your [ __ ] gets. It's chaotic. So, as much as you are busy and you know, maybe a lot of other people don't get that same attention. You You've always hooked me up. So, I say thank you to that.

>> But, but look at the No, thank you, man. Look at the the excitement that you've brought up to me just when you when you messaged me, right? I was like, "Yep." What did I say? Say less. I was like, "Say less." Because I'm excited about it, you know?

>> But, dude, since the beginning, I've always latched on to things that kept me excited about this. I was so thrilled to be a not only a friend of yours but just someone I followed who I wanted to be like you're a fan you're a [ __ ] father. I never forget that time you took me Lily to Mastros and and that right there sparked a whole inspiration in me where I'm like there's are good people out there. And so what I'm saying is as much as there's negativity they're not all negative. There are like-minded individuals like this on this screen. And that's what this channel is all about is we we try to let the [ __ ] like-minded individuals know there's a place to learn and have excitement in the ball python game for people who are in it. Like because people who are really in it, they're not complaining, dude. They're not bitching. They got stuff that they're about to hatch out and they're very excited. And so and dude, you choose who you want to be around. That's I'm not If you want to latch on to to listen to someone who never had any kind of success in this hobby and get advice from somebody like that, God bless you. I don't know where you're trying to go in life, but God bless. I attach to things that get me not only excited, but dude, take my life to a whole another level. My life came to this level because of the people I hung around with, bro. Plain and simple. So,

>> you are who you hang out with, man. You know, it's

>> it's funny cuz now when um you know, since 10 to 12 days out of each month I'm out in Mexico, right?

>> Cuz out there in Mexico, I tell you, it's it's just growing like crazy over there. It's funny cuz a lot of people a lot of the breeders out there talk to a lot of the American breeders, you know, things like that, and you know, they hear the negativity. They'll hit me up with stuff like that. But it's kind of crazy to see like, you know, Mexico

>> them not really like fighting about, oh, this and this and that and then like we're looking like the ones that like, you know, and panic and stuff like that, it's usually the other way around.

>> It's because it's kind of like we're so like I mean, let's be real, like we have everything we could want in the ball python game here in America. Yeah.

>> I guess we're uh we're spoiled brats when it comes to that. like and and we really argue and [ __ ] about the most stupidest [ __ ] instead of just concentrating on the projects. But again, let's look at who's complaining. Who where's the bitching really coming from? It's not coming from a [ __ ] always involvement Python's vlog or [ __ ] goddamn post or anything that you know a Billino posts or whatever, dude. Like, and again, dude, kind of going back to like you are who you hang around with, dude. It it's whoever makes you feel good, then go that route. That's all I got to say. Uh plain and simple. But I don't even know. Going back to going back to how you've um Well, first and foremost, let's talk about this, Miguel, cuz I was definitely like meeting you made me want to try to [ __ ] kill it in this game so bad, but I wanted to do it as fast as you. And and and you you were able to grow into this hobby like no one else is able to grow. But as far as longevity goes, no one's ever done what you've done because you came in so quick. But you're you've like stamped your name and you're here. like you're officially a part of the realm of the biggest Paul Python projects in the hobby, but like

>> thank you.

>> There's other people who don't understand the work ethic that comes with that. Like all the vlog collaborations you did, like all the traveling, you never miss an NBC. Like you committed so much to traveling. So like how do you recommend someone to grow quickly? Like and again like we could say don't do that all you want but some people maybe there are another mini Miguel out there maybe there is another mini MJ out there but like how do you recommend people to grow you know as fast as they can in the hobby without either burning out or looking like a [ __ ] phony or any of that stuff like how do you move like how do you move

>> well I two things of that one right now I think the easiest way to go right now is you know it's I think it's easier to make these crazier projects than we you know back then you know cuz first of all you know a lot of they're a lot cheaper to by a quad hit or a triple hit and stuff like that, right? You can stand out by making a triple or a quad, you know, visual with combos here faster than it was four or five years ago. That's one way. The other way is, dude, you got to just grind, man. I mean, that's I'm a big big believer in just you you get as much as you put into work, man. And you know, when when I first started, you know, even dude, even though I got screwed a good amount of times, you know, I uh you know, a lot of a lot of hate, dude. To me, it just motivated me more. And I I did a lot, damn. If you go back, see how much vlogs I did, how much, you know, like I said, I was traveling everywhere. I was non-stop going back and forth because I really wanted to put a name out there for myself, you know? I mean, you know better than anyone. I mean, look how much videos you guys are doing, man. It's it's a lot of work.

>> Let me let me stop you there, dude. One thing you didn't do, and I'm thinking this is probably good for people to know, is like you never really publicly shamed anyone. Like like you you took a lot of [ __ ] hits and just like you would tell I mean you would even tell me and and we would just you would keep it dead after that which like dude I I don't know. Do you think that helped a lot with why you're at where you're at? Because you never made even though so many issues could have been an issue, you just never took it there on your platforms ever.

>> I remember this dude like like yesterday, man. I remember there was so much people there's still to these breeders now they're now they're my friends well somewhat kind of but a lot of breeders talk so much smack about me dude like older guys that have been in this for like 20 30 years

>> dude people they would talk so much [ __ ] about me and I remember when I would go to Tinley I would go do a video on their table I would sell some snacks for them off of that video hey man thank you very much you know let me invite you for some beers let me take you out here and there and and and stuff like that so you know I always kill them with kindness you know but I mean I don't like I I don't believe in drama. I never want to, you know, post anything, you know, talking smack about someone. And trust me, this this year I could have done it a good amount of times, man. But what's that going to get me? You know, unless I have to really publicly defend myself one time then, hey, you know what? Like, here's some receipts. Watch this.

>> Yeah. But then you you automat like what you do to that person, you'd be the monster. And so it's like that's why you won't you won't win other than ignoring because if you really want to mentally [ __ ] with these people, just give them zero attention. Like zero like block them everywhere and just never hit them up. Like never respond to any of their stuff. Leaving them hanging is the worst thing you could do to these people. And I love it's the best. I I 50 38 years to figure that out. But I'm just saying, you know.

>> Yeah, dude. I'm telling I I went through some of that stuff this year and I still see them watch my stories sometime when they post them. I still like their stuff, you know? I mean, what am I going to, you know?

>> I have the biggest people who talk [ __ ] about me follow me still, and I'm like, that's [ __ ] weird, bro.

>> It's super weird, right? But I'm just like, "All right, man. Here's your like. There you go.

>> I I I don't allow them to see my story, but um yo, let me tell you, Miguel, we've been messaging back and forth a little bit for like a year and a half, man. Let me tell you. And what I've I'm I'm with MJ. Like, man, this man's always happy. Uh, I would love to be like like that, bro. Like, man,

>> that if I could take something from you, Miguel is just

>> always happy, always laughing, always positive, always looking forward and and and just let's go. I really like that, bro.

>> I appreciate it, man.

>> That's why people love being around you because it's always a good time. Like, it's always a good time with you, bro.

>> Well, that's how it should be, right? I mean I have my days sometimes where I grab a pill and you know scream but you know that's you know go over there you know but that's normal but no I try to be as positive as possible man you know like again my daughter is turning 18 this Friday and I want to be the biggest greatest example

>> of you know life you know in itself to my kids man you know and

>> now it's like I think I've been the busiest this year with my kids more than ever you know and I try to get up you know obviously you're going to have some some downtime time some some you know negative things that happen in life but that's life it's not always going to be perfect you know but you know now that my daughter's becoming you know like an adult you know I try to explain certain things to her and stuff like that as much as best as I could

>> because they even tell me sometimes they see me stressed they'll be like hey how do you like oh I'm always tell like what what could you really do you know like go in the in your room and be sad for a couple days or just work around it you know

>> well cuz remember you know when we first met like you told me like when Aubrey was first born like dude did you ever like your life was more ever imagine. Like, and that's what people need to remember. Like, Joe was not some [ __ ] loaded [ __ ] Mexican who just came into this [ __ ] hobby and was like, "Let me do ball pythons now." It did not work that way. You know what I mean? And that's also why I respected the [ __ ] [ __ ] out of you because, you know, you had opportunities land in your lap and you just did something with it. Like, you [ __ ] took it to a whole another level, which like I felt like I did with Trap Talk. Like, I had the opportunity%, you know what I mean?

>> Yeah. you know, um we uh there was this uh just this uh Thanksgiving um there was a uh um what's it called? Like they do like the like there's bars where you know, like they have like the the gathering, everyone goes out and drinks and stuff like that the day before Thanksgiving. It's really big. So I went up and I ran into some people that I went to school with in junior high. So remember I only went to high school for in the ninth grade for two weeks and I got kicked out. Then my dad gave me the option to be like, "Hey, you know, if you're if you're going to be a knucklehead, you can just come work, you know, construction with me." I was like, "Damn, 250 bucks a week. I mean, I'll get a car, you know, be, you know, so I only have an an eighth grade education and I've never worked for nobody ever in my life."

>> Wow.

>> So, I ran to this guy named Oscar Mahia, dude. So, he's all like, "Bro," he goes, "I've been wanting to run into you." This guy went to the Air Force, you know, he was like, "Got a scholarship for He went to college. He got a scholarship in in soccer. He's like, I wonder I've been wanting to run into you for like ever, dude." He goes, "I've been seeing the stories. You hanging out with, you know, a group of friends that I know here and there."

>> He's like, "Man," he goes, "We talked about you. Like, we thought you were going to, you know, cuz I was obviously I did some stuff that I'm not too, you know, you know, MJ, you know,

>> you know, and uh, you know, he they I always hear the same thing like, dude, we thought you were either going to be like dead or thrown in jail for like the long, you know, forever." Cuz I was a bad kid. I really was a bad kid, you know, but you know, you live and you learn and especially, you know, having some kids, man, that that turned me around completely. But yeah, it was pretty cool hearing that, you know, and I came home and, you know, I even told my I told my wife and kids, I was like, "It's so cool running into people from years ago that thought they're so surprised to be where I'm at, you know, cuz I was they only they they only remember me from when I was a kid."

>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but like the scary part about having that moment in your life, like you always you're always scared you could get back there somehow. Like, and that's and and again, that's what fuels me. Like I never want to get to the lowest bot point I've ever been with Lily. Like and what's crazy is like it's not it's not hard to do. Like you could [ __ ] [ __ ] your whole life up

>> pretty quick if you just don't give a [ __ ] And so

>> Exactly.

>> Yeah, man. And I just I always want to and you know, obviously having kids, man. And another reason why I love Emilio so much is father of [ __ ] three grown ass kids just like you at this point, you know? It's like, you know, you guys had something that you're always loyal to. You know, you never abandoned your children, you know? Like there's there's, believe it or not, there's parents that abandoned their kids, bro. Like I can't imagine anything that would affect their [ __ ] lives. I I would I would die. I don't know what I would do.

>> I've lost I've lost

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Oh, 100%. I've lost friendships with close friends that I considered best friends at times when we were like from the ages from like 19 to like 25 26 once they abandoned their kids and they were like stop being the father like

>> dude to me it's like that's like the lowest thing you could do man. I mean dude your kids should motivate you

>> to do better. I mean that's I'll tell you this right now. If Mike, if I didn't have no kids, who knows? I probably would have gone to, you know, back to, you know, square one a few times, you know?

>> I would have stayed a piece of [ __ ] I really would. And that's scary because like I was just who I was growing up. And I'm not saying I I was something good. I just I always felt like I am who I am. I had that pride of like this is why I have the attitude because this is how I grew up. But really like it's not who I want to be an example for in front of my kids. It's like I don't and then also if I want to grow a business and and and really be a professional, they don't professionals don't act like that. You know what I mean? Like you got to shape up and and again going back to why you you know probably why you have the name that you have is because you never went to that bottom level of shouting someone out and [ __ ] on them. Even though you had the receipts and probably could have got mad content out of it, you just didn't didn't bother with it. You know, you know who um who uh who I learned that from in the beginning

>> was, you know, the big man himself, man. Rest in peace, Brian Bart. Because

>> Yeah, dude.

>> Yeah. He would he would he would tell me [ __ ] and be like, "Yeah." And then he like, "Yeah, he's coming next week to my shop." WHY? I WAS LIKE, "TELL this [ __ ] TO GO [ __ ] OFF." AND HE'S LIKE, "YEAH, you know, like he just always saw the brighter side of of people." And I'm just like,

>> "Yeah."

>> And I was like, "Oh, it would drive me nuts." But, yeah, go ahead. I'm sorry.

>> Yeah, that's

That's how I learned it from him. You, like you said, he would like there's guys that would do videos of him.

Then when you open the Reparium, oh, they're going to stop by. I'm like, "Stop by to punch them, right?" Or no, he's like, "No, no, we're going to collab." I'm like, "Dude, you're you know, you're you're the bigger man and better man." But I learned a lot from him, man. And I'm glad he was there in the beginning for me, you know, and a lot of a lot of this uh you know, my success has, you know, a lot to do with him.

Yeah. I mean, of course, bro, like again, going back to like many things that you've done for me. You introduced me to Barek like like you know Barek was pretty like he got to the point where he would follow so many people and I was like, you know, be so happy, but it wasn't like that in the beginning. It wasn't like that and like I always wanted like he would message me, but I never had a connection with him until you flew me to Detroit and you took me to and when you personally introduced me to him. God, dude, that's...

Dude, that was fun, man. I bounced quick right when they were shutting the airport. You're like, "I'M OUT." Like, "Bro, like Trump, somebody made the announcement like all all airports are all airports are shutting." Dude, that [ __ ] was crazy.

I freaked out when I when they I remember Will, I think Will was there, right? Will Marrow and Khalil.

They were there.

Minions were there. KB Reptiles was there.

Yeah.

My room was there.

Dude. Yes, dude. I remember when they said, "There's a good chance the airport's going to shut down forever a week." I was like, "Dude, a week without my kids? Hell no, dude. I'm out." I got the first flight and took off.

Dude, remember. Okay, remember I. Okay, we have to talk about this now, but remember I got you high in Eric Chamber at Eric Chambers' house by accident or something and I threw a big ass and Miguel just walked right into it and that's when the panic set in.

Dude, I mean, this it wasn't the first time that's for sure that you got in the office.

But remember we were driving on that long eerie road. There was no houses, just and we were like, "Dude, the I think the airport gonna shut and you know, blah blah blah." And we're like, "Dude, this is how Walking Dead started, bro."

Yes. Yeah. You weren't making it any better.

We were at this bar or whatever. And I was like, "Yeah." And I was having a good time. I was having some beers. I was drinking, you know. I was like, "G, we're going to do this for tomorrow." Then all the news pops out. I'm like, "Well, check please." I'm like, "Hey, MJ, I'm out." And MJ's like, "I'm gonna stay here for a couple days." I'm like, "Are you serious?" Something.

Oh my god, what a time.

Dude, we've had some crazy times, man. It's been some crazy times and all this, you know, since the whole, you know, we got into this, man. It's been some very, very cool, blessed times.

That's why I'd recommend people like if you are building relationships with people, go to a show with them, man. Because like there might be a time you won't have the time to do it because like listening about both of our lives right now, I can't go to every right now. Like I'm and look at you like you haven't done shows in I don't know how long and like that was our that's a moment we'll never forget, you know, like it's a piece of our lives that were [ __ ] iconic. Like dude, the amount of trips, you know, like remember uh...

I don't I don't know if it was a van you guys were but there was always somebody getting roasted and there was always [ __ ] just a crazy story, man. Remember Harrison, little Harrison, dude.

I had videos of Harrison still from the, you know, when we were in back of uh Jared's uh car, he was blowing chunks. We've had dude, it's so there's so much stuff we couldn't even talk about, dude, but it's been so. But you know what that's one thing, you know, I if you're getting in there, you know, I do see people though, I will say this.

That are starting in that, you know, invested really good and, you know, I see them going to shows and, you know, from different countries too, man. Is...

You know, but I guess it's a lot easier saying it than doing it, you know?

Dude, different countries tapping in, you know, speaking of that, let's I want to get your take on the Cosmos situation. Did you watch that episode with Ralph? What do you think?

Damn it, man.

I know. No, because here's the thing, bro. Like, after that episode, [ __ ] were hitting some crazy Cosmos. And so, it's like, did we speak too soon? And I I And I don't...

Yeah, Brad just hit a nice one, but I don't know. And I really don't know where you're at with Cosmos. I forget if you work them or not. I I I don't know.

Don't. Don't work. No Cosmos. Don't work. No Cosmos at all. You know, I think it's a very, you know, it's it's my buddy AG's favorite um gene, that's for sure. You know, he got me into it more than, you know, I really, you know, was looking at stuff. Um, my problem with that at first was, you know, that uh um so I I knew about this, but I don't know how to go about it with people. I'm going to get so much in trouble on this, dude. I'll put it this way. I'll put it this way. I think uh the video that that Justin did, you know, pretty much explained everything. And I think it's really exciting now to see how go how to go about it. And it's going to make it a little harder to make these crazy combos as before. I was like, "Oh man, like the the first Cosmos thing was like the best looking snake I have ever seen in the longest, you know, time." But, you know, turned out to be, you know, they have to just dissect it a little bit.

But, you know, but again, it's a lot of work.

A lot of work. A lot of work. Which makes it good for the uh for the actual, you know, um the project itself, though, because now it's like, you know, it's kind of almost makes it recessive. You know, you know what I mean? But if I could think of working sunset and then Cosmos, that's like squatting eight plates.

Hey, dude. I see you hitting the chair freaking hard, dude.

Oh, I know. I can't squat eight plates. No, but dude, you sunset. I You How do you feel about Cyper Sunset [ __ ] man? Because that was that was the most recent sunset combo you did. That was crazy, right?

Yeah, I was super happy with it, man. You know, I'm definitely, you know, going some different routes with the Sunset stuff, you know. Again, a great seller for me. Um, you know, very excited. But I've always been excited about it, you know, but it's again, it's still another one that I can't say every sunset combo is the best combo. There's something about something that people do love. And again, it's it's only showing us what to work with, what we have to put into it. You know, I have some ideas with it, you know, that I hopefully this this year we'll find out. But again, it's still top two uh my my projects.

Yeah. Well, here's the thing. If you hit you hit like you hit big, if you hit what you're looking for with sunset, it's worth working it 100%.

Yes, definitely.

Yeah. I I have a few questions for you, man. Well, and and a couple compliments. Um, the uh Cypress um Ultra Male clown is [ __ ] phenomenal.

Phenomenal. So, automatically in my head, I'm already putting Sunset into that, right?

Yeah, you have to.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah. And then I got to ask you, uh, do you have a shot at Sunset Dreamsicle this year or Sunset Exantic Clown?

Yes, I have this year. I have shots of making some combo uh sunset ultram clowns, some uh chances to make some uh sunset lavender uh sunset lavender pides. Uh now clowns too, cuz just something just popped out. And then um hopefully hopefully uh some um exantic sunsets without the clown. I just made some clown double head VPI exantic uh sunsets though. I have like a really really really low chance of hitting those this year, but we're I know...

I have a low chance too, but I mean, you know, it's like, yeah, one of them. I can't wait.

I hope so. I hope so, man. You know, it's like, but again, it's like it's so hard. I mean, it's like you have all like the ingredients to this, but...

You just never know with these odds, man. Like, you know, one that I'm super excited about, too, is, you know, um and the the girl just she just went uh she just ovulated was a quad to quad. What's it? Hypo DG puzzle sunset. That's one that I, you know, that I hope, you know, we hit. You, even I'll be happy with a triple visual, double visual, then, you know, shed test them and, you know, hopefully they prove out.

Yeah. And, uh, I also like that sunset uh, Cypress Clown you hit.

Yes. Yes. Yes.

That that to me so far is the nicest sunset clown hit. Period.

Damn. You know, I got um I got hit up on that snake from like three people if I was going to sell it. And luckily I, you know, that's one I got lucky with, came out a male. The two projects that I've been s uh super like I've been have a lot of luck with having the males have been the two that I've been excited about. Everything else is just female female female. It just sucks. But...

Let me also, you know, I'm gonna intertwine something.

Yeah.

Aside aside from the [ __ ] money, guys. Okay. Aside from value, this is what's [ __ ] exciting about the ball python game. And it is not [ __ ] dead. If you think it's dead, I don't know. You should stop what you're doing.

You You should go home. Go back to where you were the last three months.

Go watch a scary movie. Figure it out. I don't know what to tell you.

It is not dead. It's not sinking like you are. This game is unstoppable. It's amazing. And it'll be here in a hundred years when we're all dead.

And remind you, we love snakes, okay? We do what we do. We like ball pythons and we want to make the coolest looking ball python. It's why we're here. Just so beautiful.

Yeah. I started in 2017. Well, actually 2018. I'm what, nine, eight year, eight, nine years into this. And this was I mean, the whole hobby was dying three times already since I've been in this, right? But if you guys think that the market or just the whole reptile industry is dying, dude, it's going to be dying in any other business, like you don't put a lot of work into it. I'll tell you that right now, man. You get you get what you put in.

Yeah. And again, just it being a part of life currently. Like it don't matter where what hobby you're in, what business you're in, there's some sort of a [ __ ] down right now. Um...

Yeah. And that's again and there if you want to there's businesses like that aren't reptile related that are also packing it up because it's not worth it for them to continue. And that should be the same for someone who's not having a good time doing this. Like like if you're going to commit to keeping something alive, you're going to feed it. You want to get to the point of breeding it, which is going to take a lot. Like breeding, can we admit breeding is the easiest part about ball pythons. Selling is the tough chapter. Like how can you [ __ ] sell a snake without looking like an idiot or desperate or like you don't know what you're doing? How do you how do you confidently sell a snake in ball pythons is the true mastery right now?

Yeah.

Would you?

You know the uh Yeah, 100%. You know, 2025 I made a snake and I've been I made two snakes and I got the biggest offerings for these snakes. Like you wouldn't even believe it. I'll tell you right now the orange dream yellow belly hypo DJ puzzle. I can't say who, but there was two people offered me $50,000 for that mail. 50 grand. And I'm like, well, the market can't be that bad, you know? I mean, if it was if I was if I had any panic, I would have got rid of it right away.

Yeah. But then again, okay, let's say you hit three of those babies in a clutch.

Oh, dude. I wish, man. I would have been I would have sold them right off the bat, dude. I have that was that was the biggest So, that was my number one project last year and this year. I just didn't make enough of them. Um, and good thing for shed testing. I just put some up, you know, I just put up two, what was it? Hypo puzzle head DGS.

Um, big shout out to uh to Taylor and um from Pacific Coast and um um Next Level. They just, you know, um dude, they just got uh one of the first, you know, hypo puzzle head DJ Males with some little sides on them already, too. I mean...

And that but that's the number one project for me right now. It's it's it's crazy how you know much people people want that project. But again, there's not too many of them out there. You go on Morph Market, I think I'm the only one that has two of them on there. You go and and or you try to like do DG Puzzle Head or vice versa, you don't even see anything on there.

Yeah. And the reality is Taylor and Tony are just part of [ __ ] who are not kidding around in this hobby that are making purchases that just aren't publicly known out there. like you know...

Those two have something so great together that you know I was hanging out with them, you know, and it's they have a those two make a great combination to making such a great collaboration to make a great a business, you know, really really to next level.

Tony, there you go.

Tony, yeah. Two [ __ ] dudes, man. I like those guys a lot mainly because they're they're in it for themselves and I feel like, you know, at the end of the day, this is what we're doing is...

Personal [ __ ] gain in our hobby like, you know, we're trying to collect best of the best, you know.

Yeah.

Go ahead, Milo.

Yo, so again, getting back to the snakes you hit this year, one of my favorites...

Is, you know, not the most powerful animal yet, but yo, that black pastel GHI puzzle head.

That's one of my favorite animals you hit. It doesn't have to all, you know, it doesn't always have to be super stacked, but that animal for the future for you is if you kept it. Did you keep that one?

Yes. Yes. Oh, yeah.

For you is going to [ __ ] go bonkers, man.

Yeah. And just along with it just being that hypo is is enough in itself.

You know, uh big like big shout out to Prague, you know, like Devin and Teresa. They worked at the hypo puzzle project. So next level, man, that...

It made, you know, it reminds you of like when they started making the first clown combos, right? Where they're like, man, dude, imagine that with hypo. Then you throw a little hypo in there. They're like, dude, imagine that with Desert Ghost. Imagine that with Desert Ghost. Dude, they I mean, they started this they started making these what this year and last year.

They're so fast far past, you know, in the in the hypo puzzle game than anybody. even just the puzzle alone that brings so much excitement to the project now with the hypo DG or or hypo and then other stuff, whatever, you know, it it's amazing what they've done, man. And again, big shout out to them and congratulations on their uh on the uh on the shed testing with RGI. Great collaboration, man. They couldn't be any better people, you know, to do that.

But yeah, I agree with you, that snake is amazing.

I don't think we're supposed to mention anything yet. Are you sure?

Oh, I thought we were. I thought we were. I saw it on I saw it. Oh, hey. Well...

Snake is amazing.

Yeah. Anyway, snake.

GHI is a must. I can't I got a pairing for black pastel hypopuzle this year. [ __ ] I wish I had GHI now.

Yeah.

Yeah. No, it's a So, my thing, you know, it's with that um the the GHI, if you notice, it broke down the pattern a lot more. Now, imagine getting hypo in there, so it gonna be a lot better. I just sent out their shed test, too, just today. Hopefully, they prove to be head desert ghost.

Yeah.

Well, because we know GHA hypos are they become a whole blue looking snake. You know what I'm saying? Uh, yeah. The hypo changes GHI to a whole another level colorationwise. So, I can only imagine what GHI hypo puzzle like what what hypo would do to that snake. It's going to be if it looked anything like a ghi hypo color-wise with that pattern that would be in.

I think I think black pastel with puzzle is probably the best to be honest.

Like the best combo for puzzle.

Black pastel, man. I mean, we could name off a bunch of incomplete dominance, but goddamn it. I've seen black pastel come through for so many years.

It's making it's making a big comeback. Look how look how it's coming out with the with hypo DJ clowns. It's bringing like a little like highlighter color to it, you know?

Hey, but I hate to say it, but I said this like six months ago and then there was a breeder that's like black p black pastels never gone anywhere, [ __ ] It's hot right now.

That is [ __ ] filthy right there. That's my favorite right there. I that's that right there is my cup of tea all day.

So look that snake right there. Say if that didn't have black pastel in it, it would look nice. I mean, a h a chocolate hypo DG clown looks good. But black pastel brings these like brighter highlighter colors around like just on the pattern.

I mean, what's it called? A Justin made a uh what was it? A dark knight with a black pastel in it.

Dude, guarantee it looks way better than any dark knight would look without black pastel. And I'm so glad I have so much black pastel in that project. It's like it's the must in that in that project right there.

Yeah. It's like [ __ ] like...

Yeah. This this is what makes Pastel cool for sure. I'll tell you that.

Um, so, okay, kind of going back, you know, I want to get to this topic, bro, because I feel like I never whenever I want to talk about this, I almost don't have the right guest on, but man, you've been diehard about Pi for years. Like, that's been a a baby of yours, I feel like. But high-end [ __ ] and pi is so dicey, bro. Like, it's it's so scary because you'll hit it's kind of almost like a sunset situation. You'll hit that one pi where you see everything, but what about all the other high white [ __ ] or other [ __ ] that you missed on, which you get a lot of, and I feel like you can't sell that [ __ ] for value because people don't see it. So like where do you stand with Pi right now with high-end stuff?

Damn. So I I don't you know I don't I cut down a lot on the pi stuff. I do.

It's hard. It's hard, right? Am I tripping? Like am I...

Yes. No. No. You're you're right. Even even out like in Mexico, you know, like certain things people are not as excited as they were as they were before back in the day with it, you know. But I do carry still some pi stuff, you know, for like quad stuff here and there because I will say this though, that the people that do get started on this pi is probably one of the first snakes that they look at that get that they get really excited about.

And makes them do that purchase, you know. But you're so limited to make that crazy crazy combo that people are going to be like, "Oh, dude, like, you know, we got that quad hitch neck." Cuz it's like...

It won't look that much different from from any other one, you know? But you still I still think you do need to have it...

In your collection, you know, just, you know, we did cut we did cut down a lot on it.

But it's such the gateway for like so many. It was mine. Like I never knew ball pythons had such a thing.

Um albinos, but then I saw pi and I was like rubbing my eyes. Is I was like, "Why is it white right there?" And and again, like, you know, very affordable. Probably one of the best snake to have at at a table, at a show, you would say, right, Alio? Like, yeah, I just do great, right?

Yeah, for sure.

They still do. I mean, like, so they're the biggest eye catchers, man. Back in the day, to me, it was like the blue-eyed lucistics and pides. They were like, you got those? Oh, dude, you you got, you know, the holy grail right there.

Yeah. But with pides, I'll tell you this, people go up to it and they're like, "What the [ __ ] is wrong with that?"

Yeah. Like why is that, you know, like they're like dumbfounded?

Yeah. The white snakes, they're like, "Okay, it's white." You know?

But when they see pides and all the weird patching and they they just they they come in, you know?

Then but I feel like it's all a ratio, right? Then you get that one person who starts thinking how bad they want that snake and then how to make that snake. That's how that's where my mind went. Mine went like I need to buy that snake and then I'm like, how can I make these? And then I looked into making and again, like that's that journey came naturally and I feel like that's how it happens with a lot of people, especially with social media. It's it's kind of in your face now. Um, yeah, and it's grow. That's what's crazy is like it wasn't so in your face 10 years ago. It was starting and it was already blowing up. Dude, it's still blowing. That's what's like how can you not be excited about something that's blowing up bigger than ever right now with new people and different countries tapping in. You know what I'm saying? Like, so like this is wild anyone with pythons isn't excited.

Yeah. I think Yeah, I think it's we're at the point where it's more exciting than it ever was to be honest because like you said, it's like you got different countries.

Oh, lost him. He's getting a phone call. That's my assumption.

Yeah.

Someone's hitting him up. If it's somebody I know, God bless you, dude.

Am I still in?

Who was it? Who called you?

It was actually uh uh PTM.

PTM. PTM.

Yeah. It's actually a business that I have that that I'm working on the side.

I thought you give me initials to figure it out. It was somebody a snake person. I was like, "Why would the [ __ ]..."

No, no, no, not related. No, that's related. It's PTM.

Continue though. What were you saying?

Um, what was what was I saying? Um, oh, about the excitement, about the excitement just overall where we're at, you know?

And I think it's we're at a better time than we ever have been to be. I mean, just like seeing like said like how you were saying other countries coming in and seeing all this excitement with stuff and dude, I'm excited more than I ever was. Every year it gets more exciting for me. Every year, every year. Every year.

Well, aside from your own collection, right? Um, you have amazing things coming, but we also have, you know, uh, [ __ ] We know that home Justin has a shot at Cosmos DJ Exanthic Clown.

Um, everything else he's doing, right? And then we kind of know like, you know, in in the Vunit, we were kind of talking about uh your potential to hit, you know, Sunset Dreamsicles with Leopard in it. You know, we're all talking about...

Uh, where we think, you know, others,

You know, production is is going. So, we're all like, "Oh, man. We're gonna see this Nick this year. We're gonna see this Nick.

Yeah.

This this guy might be the first to hit this this, you know, we're gonna see this." Bro, the excitement never stops because you again, we have our own collection and then we have the...

The the industry, the the hobby. I like to call it the the hobby industry because it is an industry.

Yeah, I I say the same thing too. The same thing.

So, yeah, it's exciting as hell.

Yeah, with as much as this this ind hobby brings in, it's [ __ ] an industry at this point, you know? And again, dude, other people getting excited for other people's success is the best thing you could do for yourself. Like, if you're that individual who's happy for someone for hitting that and not going in a corner and crying and saying, "Why the [ __ ] was it isn't it me?" Dude, I promise you, you'll hit that [ __ ] someday. Like, I [ __ ] guarantee whatever you're rooting for Miguel or Justin or [ __ ] Emilio or Levance or anyone to hit, dude, I promise you, keep that attitude. You're going to be hitting it before you know it, okay? It's going to be in your collection. And that's because that's where mindsets like that go. You get what you [ __ ] whatever you put out energy-wise, dude. And I'm telling you that right now. It's so true.

And dude, it really is, man. There's people that have hit stuff that I honestly should have hit before then. Dude, I've been like, "Oh my gosh, that's so freaking badass." You know, but it's the guys that are really putting that work into it, you know? And obviously get a little luck to it, but dude, it's so cool seeing people that just started making this crazy stuff and there it it just there's there's so much like so much excitement. Like, you know, Justin, he's all over the place making all this crazy stuff. I get so excited. So when he does do something, I always look at something. I'm like, "All right, there's no way I'm going be able to catch up to him on that realm right there of that that combo. Let me try something a little different. See if it works out." But that's how I always go about things, you know? He's a great base to go about how to go about projects, you know.

Yeah. But Justin creates his own luck, dude. That's how gangster. He'll [ __ ] I got that many heads. I'll breed them this year. Don't worry. Yeah.

We are ball python afficionados, nerds, geeks. Okay. We know I also know Bob has a shot at Sunset Exantic stuff. I'm rooting for him, you know. I have a shot, you have a shot.

Uh, Justin has a shot at DG Exant uh um Aantic Monsoon DG. Like, bro, dude, like like...

Yeah.

Hey, don't talk about our game, bro. If you ain't in it.

Yeah. You ain't in it. If you ain't been in it for...

You're not on the field. You're not You're not...

You're not even You're not even suited up.

Yeah. Shut up.

You're not even in the sidelines.

You're got a ticket to the stadium.

What excites you? Go do it.

You're You're chilling with the scalper at the light.

Holy [ __ ].

That makes you happy, bro.

You're coming from next to the hot dog vendor, bro. Outside, bro. Jesus Christ. That is hilarious, dude.

At the end of the day, bro, these are we can't help people who are watching and like you're going to have the people who are rooting for us and then you're going to have the boo. That's just kind of what comes with this. And for me, dude, I'm all about giving praise to the ones who are happy for other others who are successful in this hobby because that's what successful people do, dude. They don't they don't sit around [ __ ] praying for someone's downfall when they're having success in the same [ __ ] field of work. And we're all in the field of we're all in the same field of work here. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I think right now there there's more, you know, praying for people's downfall than I ever have ever ever experienced to be honest. I hear some of these things I feel so bad. I'm just like...

Dude, you are just creating your own like negative your own little circle, man. Like if it doesn't work for you, dude. Like...

Dude, don't get into business. And I'm not saying just reptiles. I say don't get into business with that mindset. It won't work for you with whatever else you do.

That's that's a good I just want to say that's a good thing to say, man. Because as much as like it's almost normal to look at keeping reptiles as a business now, but dude, that whole business thing isn't for everybody, dude. Like it's like it's almost better to just crawl before you can walk into a business. As what's that saying Mark Magic said? [ __ ] uh grow into it, right? Don't go into business, grow into it. And and and again, like...

You know, just see if you're meant for something like this longevity-wise because it's not a [ __ ] five-year turnaround. Wow, I tripled my money. I'm going to pack it up. No, dude. And then sell your snakes back. Doesn't work like that.

Yo, we simply say God bless and we wish everyone health and happiness.

Yeah.

No matter what. No matter if you say that we're the biggest [ __ ] [ __ ] in the world.

You know.

I'll take that. We're liars.

Yeah.

I'll take an [ __ ] all day.

Yeah. Wait.

Yeah.

All right. Um, I feel like I've been hogging the topics. Do you have something you want to get going with Miguel or what? I know you have maybe some some things here.

No. Um, like straight up, uh, the stuff he's doing with Mexico, uh, I I'm big into, you know, what's happening around the world, bro. I'm really excited about what you guys are doing. I always tell you this, but you know, the the Mexican economy is growing leaps and bounds.

Uh, people are working hard down there. They're making money and they're going to start investing and and growing the game down there, period. You know, right there. Yeah. There's there Yeah, dude. There's uh there's these people, man, that uh you know, now that there's they're making crazier combos out there and, you know, the you know, there's some breeders now. They're, you know, they're like the Justin, the you know, the Bobs, you know, things like that that I've seen people like they're investing like 40, 50 grand on, you know, whole packages of snakes here and there. And it's like before you wouldn't see that over there, you know, and like some people are hatching stuff out there that, you know, some people we haven't even hatched out here, you know, but they're all they're all excited. They're all focused on it and it's growing, dude. It's I'm telling you, I wish you guys were to go to one, you guys would trip out. And it's not just ball pythons. I mean, the retic game over there's humongous. Uh, the geckos are huge. Um...

Condos, bro. Condos, what's up? I want to get my people into condos, dog. Come on.

Dude. Boas. Boas over there, too. It's It's humongous over there, man. It's so big.

Man, MJ, we need to make that happen one day, bro. I I go I told I want to go really bad.

May 25th, dude. May 25th, you know.

Huh?

So, the first one the...

Twice a year. Now they're doing twi when actually Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. They started off with once a year. Uh, three years ago. They started going twice a year. Now they're doing it six times. So now they're doing two in Mexico City. Uh, two in Guadalajara and then two in Montter.

Best best is Mexico City or...

Oh, dude. Yeah. Mexico City. Mexico City. Mexico City. November is tinly of October.

Okay.

Well, I for sure want to go to that.

That's what I want to go. Mexico City is beautiful, huh?

Yeah.

Yo, dude. I I'm there every month. Every month I'm there, dude. I'll treat you guys out to some cool places, too, man. The It's so fun out there.

I just want to eat, dude. Just what you like. I love it when you share what you eat out there because I can like I just...

Bro.

It's so bomb, dude. I've made such great connections out there with so much people, dude. It's like it's so freaking awesome over there, man. Like I said, I wouldn't move out there, dude. I really would.

China culture, especially in the country, they're so loving. Like they're like, if you know people down there and like families, like the same way we connect families here, oh man, the love is tripled because they take you in like their own and they'll bring you into their home. [ __ ] took a whole spread for you and like you feel like you're one of them. And that's about Mexican culture. That's how they are down there. And so I can only imagine what you're doing to all these people at the show that come and see you because I see people all like sharing on their stories like [ __ ] all excited that you're there, bro. And that's I I hope you understand how huge that is for everything.

No, dude. Yeah. No, it it is, man. And I if you guys going out there, man, it'll make my year.

We're going for sure. November. Okay, but here now that I got you, [ __ ] Uh Maram, so hold on. You said you said May 25th, right? Yeah, the last week of May. Usually it lands around there.

Okay. Well, Trapfest is May 22nd. So, if I know you're around, you need to come. You have to come.

Oh, shoot. So, that means if I stay there with you, then we could just, you know, cross over the border, grab a flight.

Yeah. I'll go with you from TJ. Exactly.

All right. That's a good deal. That's a good deal.

All right. We have to make that happen. But, uh, okay. But, okay. One thing about countries, right? One thing I know about other countries, Japan, South Korea, the Asian market. Are you you you have any customers over there yet? Are you been sending...

Yes, we do. So, when I told you there's two snakes that I got offered, you know, a lot of money for it, they they came from Japan and then one of them was from China and one the one person from China, I had no idea who he was. He actually, you know, um well, um I guess I could talk about it. They actually flew in and they came and looked at collection and yeah, they offered me some snakes on some holdbacks and dude I even Tina was like, "How did you not accept that?" It was like for like four snakes we were over like $100,000 and I'm like I just can't. They came with some you know Yeah, dude. It was insane, dude. Like they came in looking at some other snakes.

Yeah, they had cash on them and [ __ ] or what? Like straight [ __ ]

Dude, it was it was insane, dude. And and usually like I don't really like allow people come over like to my house. Um, but uh...

These people came and you know they reached out some other people from Japan and they're like oh yeah they're that they've actually been to my house already and cool dudes some guys I would have never even thought were into snakes just like straight like business dudes came in here but they came to look at some other snakes.

And they're like hey man like what are your holdbacks? I showed him like, you know, could we do something with these? And I'm like dude no. I'm like, "Well, what do you think this would go for?" And I was like, "I don't I couldn't sell it." And that's how I came out with the first $50,000 on that on that mail. And then they wanted to buy the what's it called? The lace stranger pompei that I did.

Dude, just like four snakes. It was like almost like like it was like $120,000, dude. And I mean, I could have just grabbed it and been like, "Hey, here you go, dude." But I was like, I would have I would have been, you know, holding myself back a lot in the next two years, especially cuz I feed them really heavy. And they're both those mess are around like what 500 grams now.

And again, your work somehow got on these guys' radars. And it's and here's the thing, guys. I'm going to tell you right now, I know people in condro and emerald treeboas where [ __ ] come from whatever part of the world come see their collection and spend a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot of money. I'm talking a lot of money. I've heard so many stories of [ __ ] coming spending six figures because they want that [ __ ] If you put in your time long enough, you could legit have people flying to your [ __ ] place wanting to spend six figures on your [ __ ] If if if it if you could play your cards right, you know what I mean?

It was a straightup Instagram, too. Just a normal Instagram. Like it would be from a friend that had no freaking snakes. And then he hit me up. He's like, "Oh, what's your WhatsApp?" And I'm like, "Oh, here." I'm like, "Well, I don't feel too comfortable." was like, "Oh, well, what if so and so vouchers for me?" And I was like, "Yeah." Then when they told me like the level of money that they're spending, I'm like, "Oh, well, you know, if they they're trusted people, then cool." But yeah, just a regular Instagram with no snakes whatsoever. There's just right now the Asian market, there's there's so much money out there and they're looking for like crazy ass stuff, man. And they and when they invest and when they offer you some money, they go in hard, man. They do not play, dude, at all.

Yeah. I saw what they did with Crescent Geckos. the South Korea, the Korean market. Crazy. They they...

Go in with briefcases.

And be like, "Here you go. I've seen it, dude. You're talking. It looks like a straight drug deal." All right, man. All your stuff's out of the, you know, the whole displays are gone. Everything's gone. It's like 200 $300,000 right there, man.

I hear you greedy Americans. I know you like this money.

Watch what I do with all this stuff because I'm going to make better stuff than you in five years and, you know, get your customers. So, so I think right now like with the different countries, you know, like I saying, how how things are just getting so much crazier, you know, you get these people that either have a kid that want to get into this and do this full-time or they have or or they're just intrigued by it. You're talking about there's some guys with some big big money or they get a friend that, you know, and they're trying to go in and buy hard. I'm talking about like, dude, trust me, man. I I've been offered this last 2025 more than I have any other year that I've been in this and been doing this.

Dude. And I made the most money I've ever made ever, you know, in life, period, this year off snakes.

Yeah, it it's it's crazy, man. I love the direction that we're going. I really, really do.

And we're having Dude, and again, this is not like I don't see any end in sight. Like I feel like this is just starting. I look at this as a big snowball and the ball's just now starting to roll. You know what I mean? I can't I couldn't be happier. But I also want others to know like, dude, you could just be this happy if you're focused on your [ __ ] and and paying attention. You know?

I'll tell you guys this. While I had to work a little harder than the previous years, I I had a phenomenal year compared to what a lot of people out there are saying they've had.

Um, and uh...

Miguel, what you just said, those last five minutes shows the passion you have for continuously hitting cutting edge animals. For you to say no to all those sales, not even budge on one animal. Not even budge on one animal shows.

Yeah, cuz why why would he? Why? He's not going to set his own [ __ ] back by doing that, you know?

Yeah. And I do it was so crazy, man. Like when they when they came down, they're like why I'm like I told him like I can't even put a price on it really, you know? They're like, well, what's a triple visual going for? and they pulled out the Aantic uh DG clowns and they're like, "Oh, well these are going for like 30 $40,000." I'm like, "Yeah, you know, like, but you know, mine has two codes in it. Two very, you know, code, you know, uh very uh what's it called? Popular code dumps on it." I was like, "I just I just can't sell." The guy was like, "Well, 50." And we were like going through more. I'm like, "Dude, I really can't, man." And when they were like added these pocket like these deals, I I really if I had any scarce or any worry about this freaking, you know, this this industry whatsoever, I'm like, you know what, dude? Here you go, man. Dude, I I honestly probably could have made $200,000 off of these guys with some of my holdback stuff with no problem. But dude, there's there's I have no worry at all. And again, I would have cut myself so much hard years of work just by selling those snakes for what? For a couple hundred,000. No way, man. Those snakes. I could already see the future with those to, you know, making me a lot more than that.

And you know the game, you know what to make. The thing is, you got to know what to make to get people to want to fly to your place. And you got that formula and and again, that's not easy to do either. Like that took years of investing with the right people, the right projects. You you had good relationships that you learned from like dude and you kept those relationships solid, which is also a huge thing about what we do. Don't [ __ ] other people over because it always comes back to you.

Yeah. And then also, man, I'm just telling you, stand by your work and, you know, knowing your personality. You like nice things, bro. Like, you're not going to do this unless it's the top top top top tier [ __ ] And that's kind of brand that's always evolving. That's kind of what the name is, you know what I mean?

Yep. For sure.

Agree.

Um, so, okay, real quick, I got to ask you, you know, what are you going to do as far as the future with, you know, most your sales? Like if you if you come to a place...

Where you are going to have stuff put on the market, do you give people a heads up at all? Like, like, like, will you give people a heads up? You just post it, right? Like, so there's no like email subscription they can do or like, uh, you know, like nothing that they could do to be more on top of it other than just follow you on Morph Market.

You know what the, the best, the, the, I mean, if I could go for the top two things that, you know, helped me out the most this year, which just, you know, I'd post a story of a picture of a snake. I'd get DM'd about something about that snake, and then they'll ask me, "Oh, do you have this instead?" or "Have that instead?" and then I get messages through Morph Market. That's literally all I've, you know, but I, I, that's, that's literally all I've done is just Morph Market and Instagram stories is how I've made most of my sales all 2025, you know, over the last couple years.

Have you ever dealt with any like, you know, situations, you know, because you sell high-end stuff, but I don't know, like, what's your policy with high-end stuff? Meaning like, I know you guarantee a certain alive situ, like, you know, they're going to be alive to this point, but like, if somebody comes back to you months later with a complaint, how do you take that? Like, how do you, how do you look at the situation?

I always try to figure out a solution for like us to both be happy with it, you know, with either being like a, a, a false ID. That's why we're shed testing everything. There's nothing that we're doing. I put up a story yesterday, we're doing 40 to 50 sheds every month right now, just to avoid, avoid, you know, someone coming back and be like, "Oh, well, this didn't improve to this or this and that." Well, I'm like, "Well, nope. I did, you know, this and that." 'Cause sometimes there's some people that I, I've noticed that are a little shady with that, you know, like, "Oh, well, this didn't, this work out." And then, you know, it took me six months, so now it's like, I've lost this much time. No, let me get this $6,000 snake over this $2,000 snake that I purchased, you know? So, I just want to make sure I have some back end on that. And I just think it's overall good for your business to shed test these things, you know? But I always, always trying to find a solution, no matter what it is. You know, even if I sold a snake and it died two months or three months afterwards, I'll figure something out to give him like either a big, big discount or something. So, you know, he's happy with it. You know, 'cause it always ends up coming back for you afterwards. You know, there's been a time where I've sold a snake and it died and I'm like, "You know what? Um, I do have a brother for it. Let's, you know, let's work this out and blah, blah, blah." And they're like, "Dude, no way." And yeah, and they end up buying again afterwards next year.

I feel like, okay, like, you know, you're an honest guy. You're doing everything right, but if you're not shed testing, you will run into issues. Like, you're going to run into like, "Holy [ __ ] I could have sworn it had that and now it doesn't." And now you got somebody who's pissed, which I think, I don't care if it's a year later. If they, if they find out it doesn't have such and such and they paid for it, you better make it right, [ __ ] Like, you, you kind of, you know, and again, you save your ass by shed testing.

Yes. Big time, dude. I've actually had a couple of situations this year with the, with shed testing, you know, but now it's like from here on out since this, since this year, I really, you know, um, they really can't come back to me because I shed test everything for it, you know. I mean, there might be one that's like, it proves out that's not yellow belly, but I'm talking about something I'm not 100% positive, you know?

It's getting shed tested, you know.

I was curious about your homie, man. Like, you know, does he swing both ways? Does he like chicks? Now, I'm pretty positive he [ __ ] swings both ways. But your homie towold here wants you to take your shirt off. [ __ ]

That's a, you love that guy, dude.

This dude's sus. He's going to put on his story, too. So, do you want, you want to do that?

I love this guy. No, I don't want to take my shirt off, dude. I haven't worked out today. Like, man boobs now. I only take my shirt off when I'm in the steak room because it's freaking hot in there.

He's like, "Oh, I hope he has a lot of estrogen in him." Hey, big shout out to AG. I love that dude, man. Him and I will get on, we'll get to messaging. We think very, very alike, dude. He's like, he's like another guy that has really good, great input in business and the way things, you know, like how to go about things and, you know, he's one guy that I really, really like, uh, like I see really like, uh, we seem very alike in, in certain things, you know.

Well, I could see that. [ __ ] for sure.

I mean, I get my, I, I get slapped on the head anytime I open up one of his stories. It's like I have to [ __ ] like look around and [ __ ] dude.

I definitely want, I definitely want a pair of his sandals, 110%. That's one, that's on my list. My, my.

Dude, those are like the Lamborghini of freaking. Oh, you can't call them, uh, sandals. You have to call them flip-flops.

I don't know if he's told you that. Yeah, dude. I, I call him flip-flops. Yeah.

All his products look very, very good, bro.

Yeah.

Dude, you know, I'm in love with his wallets, dude. His wallets are, dude, I used to have like a regular wallet. Then I saw him pull one out and I was like, "Dude, it's so simple." Just, you know, and I believe the one I have, I think mine's from like a hammerhead shark. And dude, every time I get compliments on it the whole time. And then I just got for Christmas, I got Tina a, uh, white crocodile one. Oh my gosh, dude. They're just, they're just so badass, dude. And the flip-flops now, dude. Again, they're like indestructible. I mean, dude, Joe Rogan has them. All, like the big dogs have Dana White. I mean, dude, how do you not want to rock those freaking things? I know, uh, what's it called? Um, Johnny Pythons from Canada. He just ordered some flip-flops. See, not sandals. Flip-flops from AG.

No. Okay. But yeah, you know, shout out to AG because, you know, here's an individual who kind of, you, you showed him the ropes, dude. Like, you know, he, he wanted to buy certain projects and you spent time, you know, letting him know how a lot of the things runs and like he can find in you, like he feels real comfortable coming to you and and investing and I feel like he's not the only one you've done that for. You've done that with a lot of people, bro. And and that's what elevates everything that we're doing here. Like I feel like maybe a lot of people don't see that on the outside looking in, but there's so many of these like relationships happening behind the scenes that are growing not only the hobby but the person's business that people don't even know about.

Yeah. No, you're right. But like, like you guys were saying though, too, though, man, right now with so much negativity, it's these people that do like confine with certain people, they're getting like so much, you know, like negative feedback that they're just, you know, going to send more negative feedback with people and stuff like that. You know, it's again, it's who you surround yourself with, man. It, it, what it comes down to.

Yeah. And again, anyone doing this serious doesn't want to attach to anything negative. Like that's not what, you know, we, we have, you know, being serious means you want to focus on stuff that is progressing, you know, stuff that's growing.

Always evolving. And I feel like that's why that name could go forever just because it's so true on so many different levels. Like it's the pinnacle of what we are living life for, of always going to the next level, you know?

Yep.

And there's no end in sight with ball pythons. Think about it. Like where, where the [ __ ] do we end? You, you, we'll never be on Earth before this [ __ ] ends. Like, we'll, we'll, we'll die. You know what I mean? Before all that.

Yep. I, I remember when, uh, when Brian would tell me a story when he was like, I guess when, like, I guess like in the 80s, like it was like super, super like booming, right? The '90s, right? The bananas and and whatnot. Dude, he's like, this thing should have, I mean, this rental industry should have died a long time ago, dude. 50, 40 years ago. And I just think now it's just getting bigger and better. It's so true because that's exactly 2017 is when I started really paying attention to what breeding was and there was, yeah, the same face, the same style people phasing themselves out, attacking everything, saying this market is going to [ __ ] [ __ ] the ball python market, you can't trust nobody. Oh, I had relationships that just turned on me. Boo [ __ ] who, shut up, dude. [ __ ] Keep it moving.

Bro, it's. Yeah, dude. You know, another problem too, though, man, is like I see a lot of people that get into is, you know, they meet a certain somebody and sometimes they just buy for excitement.

And sometimes that, that, I've noticed that that's kind of a big problem, you know, because.

I talked to this one person, he's like, "Oh, well, this guy was kind of, you know, like mentoring me and this and that." I'm like, "Well, you know," and then you can't really talk bad about that person because if they tell them, then you look like a bad guy. Then you look like, "Oh, well, he just wants you to say that because he wants to buy, he wants to sell to you." And I hold my tongue. I bite my tongue so much on that. But that's a lot, that's been going around this last year that I've noticed, man. People buy up of excitement from a person that they just got into it without really guiding them a right way instead of, you know, them being so insecure or worried, "Oh, well, if I got this guy into it, if he passes me up on it, then where am I going to be?" It's like, "Well, you know, like find a different way, you know, work a little harder."

You know what's crazy? The people who really can't buy into the projects, they got excited about starting a podcast. So, they started a podcast instead. And then they started painting pictures to all their [ __ ] 20 viewers that they got that, "Hey, listen, I am somebody tapped in. I am doing this." And they're just [ __ ] complete fraudulent. Um, all because egos, all because they're trying to be something they're not. Dude, instead of instead of putting in the time, instead of putting in the work, earning the respect by showing what your work is, they went straight to excitement on a podcast because it's free to do on Streamyard. Okay. You know, and and and you got excited and and now how'd that work out?

Yeah. And look, remember, look, and then going through hurdles.

Hey, how's it going out there?

Yeah.

Wow. Okay.

And remember, like, look at the hurdles that we went through doing all this and we went through some stuff that, you know, it wasn't easy.

Ups, downs, ups, downs, you know, it's like putting all that work into it, man. It's like.

Don't do stuff off of excitement, man. Don't bet off of excitement. Don't invest off of excitement, dude. Like there's so much ways of going about it. And I think now it's easier to invest in this hobby and come out as like as a top player than it ever has been because if you go back in the day, dude, like just three, four years ago, I mean, a snake was like $5,000. You could buy quads now for like, which I think is the best thing to do, or triple heads, or, you know, whatever it is, whatever project is to get out there. You know, again, everyone's going for these things, but you still have to go against odds, but it's a lot less to invest in now than it was before.

Yeah. And again, man, like the, the whole excitement comes with the love of it, you know, like, and how do you love something that you just got into, you know, at the end of the day, like, life, you don't know where life will take you. Um, and and it, and it could go in your favor or it may not, but you got to know what the future holds when it comes to keeping live animals, you know? And again, live animals just to be [ __ ] cool somewhere. How's that even worth it? Like, these are live animals. Like, these are taking time out of your life, you know what I mean? Um, yeah. And again, dude, I love what I do, animal keeping wise, but also this podcast, never did it to make money. I did it because I [ __ ] love it and I learned so much. And the learning never stops. Here's what's crazy, bro. Going back to these pathetic [ __ ] reptile podcasts out there. These [ __ ] are running things. They're running out of things and topics to talk about. How? Oh, I know why. 'Cause you're not IN THE [ __ ] HOBBY. THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T HAVE. HOW CAN your mind be in something when you're not even [ __ ] in it? In in my, I could, I can never see an end in sight with topics to talk about on reptile [ __ ] bro. Are you [ __ ] kidding?

You know why?

You know why? Because you have love for it. What did I always say? You love what you do and then the success will come.

Dude, but you learn from all the other successful people. There's so many successful people in this hobby like yourself, Miguel, like you, Alio, that I love bringing on to this show and just learning from because guess what? I'm not the only one learning. Everyone else who comes and listens to all these [ __ ] episodes, they're all inspired and they all learn just like I do. So, whatever I did selfishly is actually helping the entire [ __ ] reptile hobby. You know what I mean? Um, and again, dude, what an exciting time to be a part of this right now. I, I couldn't be more happier.

Agree. Same here. Same here, man. 2026, dude. I'm excited. I hope all of you guys are excited that are still in it at 100%. It's going to be one of the best years. We're going to see some of the craziest stuff.

Yeah. And let's just keep working at it, man.

Yep. And and and again, if you're, if you're not happy with what you're doing, those that type of shit's gassing out this year. Those people will gas the [ __ ] out because it's just not worth it, dude. Like, why do something that you just don't love? I don't know. Why?

I love building my my projects in the ball python game every single day, learning new behaviors with my other species. Uh, just getting better and better and better, growing the market, growing the industry. The hobby slash industry. Uh, brother, I wake up every day happy, energetic, as [ __ ] and ready to go.

Yeah.

I [ __ ] love this game, bro.

Yeah.

I [ __ ] love this [ __ ] I'm the, I'm one of the happiest [ __ ] out there.

Hell yeah.

Cheers to that.

Hey, okay, before we get to wrap-up topics tonight, let's get to RGI. What do you, what do you want to talk about with the collab?

So, well, RGI, big shout out to them again, man. I said, dude, they're, dude, love them, man. What they've done for this industry and this hobby and agree.

Just in, in my own business alone has.

Oh my gosh, dude. I mean.

I, I couldn't speak, you know, high more highly enough of, you know, of them. Um, so, you know, we, you know, with, with Mexico, you know, growing really, really like, just at a higher rate than, you know, we even thought the last couple years, you know, I was talking to Sean and, you know, they're so big now into shed testing over there, too. There is one company that it's already out there, but they only have, I think, like 20 something, um, um, what's it called, like, uh, genes that they could, uh, what's it called? Test for. But we're in the works and we're talking that there's a good possibility, man, that RGI will, you know, have a, uh, a, you know, a Mexico, you know, facility out there for, you know, for shed testing, which would be humongous, man. Especially the way things are going over there.

Now, are you already letting people know about shed testing down there?

Or? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. People already do because a shed testing is already getting done over there through certain companies, you know, and other than that, they have, they, you know, they ship them out, but they, it costs them so much money just to ship out. I think by the time they're out here, you're almost doing like $90 a shed, maybe even more.

It's, it's really expensive, right? Um, but yeah, no, we're, we're working on it, man. And, you know, hopefully, you know, here in the next within six months, man, we get something out there. You know, again, that's another thing I'm excited about as well. There's so much, there's so much stuff to do still. And again, man, there's new things are coming every single day, every week, every month, man.

Growth, growth, growth.

Just can't, I just can't stop thinking about Mexico City. I don't know why. Just like, I already [ __ ] damn.

It is insane, dude. I, I, man, I can't tell. Dude, the, when we're going to be going to Veraracruz here shortly and next, when you guys see like, when I do the video of our facility out there,

Yeah.

You guys are going to trip the hell out, dude. There's so much stuff I still haven't even showed, but we have. Oh, dude. You, you'll see. It is. Honestly, it's like a reparium.

8,000 square foot facility.

Damn. This.

Miguel, I got to ask you. You said that you guys were keeping other species as well. What's, what, what were you kind of?

That's what I, that's what I was about to drop right now, but I have to wait a little bit more.

Okay. Okay. You got to wait. So, we do have separate rooms now. You know, we have like our ball python, our something somethings, our boas, our retix, our other something somethings. I mean, it, it's, it's amazing. But we also have a living room and a walkthrough way like we're now where we have some species from Mexico that, you know, you can't even get out here or have that we just have as displays and stuff like that. And Hector, you know, from Union is, I mean, just killing it all. I mean, it's like in the next six weeks, you guys will see an amazing video.

I mean, we have rodent production. We have, I mean, a ball pythons. I mean, dude, it's, it's so much, dude. I wish I could talk more about it, but I have that one. I have to wait a little bit more.

Hey, Hector's English is pretty good, right? It's not that bad, is it?

Oh, no. He's ready, dude. He, he would, I would love to do one with him, man.

It would be great to do a collab with him on this. I really, my my dream was to do one in person with him at the for, but we could do that. We'll do that down the road, I swear. But I'd rather have him on because I feel like.

Yeah, I'm reach.

It'll be great.

Yeah. All right. Listen, let's get to the wrap-up topic of things. Um, I'll go first and we'll end with Amelio's. You know, at the end of the day, uh, Miguel, if, if you had someone new come into this, come into your collection, you're showing them around and and they were to ask you like, "Well, where do you see things heading in the next five years?" Um, what would you say to that? Like, if you, what would be your honest answer to that to somebody who's wondering where the progression's headed in the market, where we're at in 2026 after the COVID boom, like what would you tell that person where we're at right now?

As far as like, like, uh, like genetics or just the business and and.

Growth in business? Yeah. The growing in business part, like, like, like wanting to start it off as a business, like, like, how, how am I going to be in five years if I get into this type of thing, you know?

So, it, again, it, I would start them off like, what depends, you know, like, how, you know, you want to go about investing and what projects and things like that. I, me myself, telling someone, I see an endless, you know, combination of stuff from here on out for the next 10, 15 years, you know, there's so much new things here coming. It's just going about it the right way, strategically, you know, with some projects, but also, you know, you want to do stuff that you actually, you know, want to do, like they have love for as well and try to work those, you know, in your own way, you know, what I mean? Instead of buying that with just excitement, like saying, "Oh, well, Miguel said buy this and this and that," but then you're not really excited about buying that. Then you're really not going to have too much, you know, passion and love for it to get you in the next three to four to five years on that, right? Take a little bit of what I tell you. Take a little bit of what this person tells you. I could only tell you what I'm going to be excited about and guide you a little bit on, you know, what I think I'm going to be happy with three to five years. But it's an endless stuff that, you know, I can't even think that I'll end up making here in the next 8, 10 years.

What's crazy is, bro, like I've asked you that question so many times that you've been on. And the reason why I ask you that question because you've always had the same answer. You've never given someone false promises on how much money they can make in this hobby. Not once. You never had somebody come and publicly or anywhere say, "Miguel took advantage of me 'cause he told me I was going to make this, this, or that." And and that's.

No, you'll never hear that. That's what these [ __ ] sick bottom feeders are narrating out there is that people like yourself, Justin, the big names are giving false promises to these poor new keepers who are investing and basically having to leave because they were lied to, which is the biggest croc of [ __ ] I've ever heard, dude. You know what I mean?

People that, that, um, that are talking all that were people that wish they made it out here in, in this industry. And, you know, if they would have kept on doing it and grind a little harder and not being so negative, they would have been right up there with us.

Exactly.

But the problem was, man, that they're so negative and they had, they didn't want to put a little extra elbow grease into their stuff and now what happens? Oh, well, I didn't make it. Well, screw everybody. You're not going to be able to make it, you know, and that's the way things are with every other business. Even in the gym thing when I first started, you know, when I had to open it up myself, you know, like, "Oh, dude, you're not going to get no stuff like that." Dude, my gym was doing phenomenal. We did really good. But what happened to you? Oh, you lost your gym. You know, now you're going to go talk about like, "Oh, the whole fitness industry is done." No, it's, dude, it's, it's, it's just insecure individuals that couldn't make it because they don't want to put the extra work into it. That's all it is, man.

And again, if you look at these individuals, look at their health, dude. Look how these people look. Like, literally, look at their [ __ ] health. They're deteriorating. They're unhealthy. So, they're miserable people. And that's what happens to people who are not fit, people who are not trying to take care of themselves. They're [ __ ] miserable. They feel like [ __ ] They are [ __ ] aching in pain because they are deteriorating from not taking care of themselves. And I don't pity those [ __ ] people. You should have [ __ ] took care of yourself, dude. So, stop bitching.

It's simple.

Simple.

Take the easy way out for everything.

There you go.

It's easier to fail to succeed. Remember that.

Exactly. It's way easier to just say, "I'm going to be a piece of shit." It's so easy to be a piece of [ __ ] It's so easy to because it's not hard. It's easy. You don't have to put in effort, you know? And that's why it's like, to get things that make you feel good in life, you got to put in work. It's not always easy. And and that goes for feeling good, but only having success, but what's the point of success if you don't feel good? Miguel, like I feel like working out is such a mental thing for you. Like it has to be done otherwise your work isn't good.

100%, man. And another thing, too, like I was talking about just my kids alone, man. Like I, I didn't learn about really like getting into the stuff until I was older, you know? But if I could put this into my, my kids' head that you have to work out two to three times, maybe four times a week, right? You, it's only going to better them as, you know, human beings, as adults and then, you know, my next generation of kids and stuff like that. But it goes hand in hand, man. I mean, you can't be unhealthy and have longevity in any kind of business or game at all.

Yeah. Because it catches up to you, dude. I'll tell you that. Like as much as I've been enjoying all my success, dude, and I have, but I haven't been working out and I was drinking so much, all that [ __ ] caught up to me, dude. All and and because mind you, I'm in my 40s now. I hit my 40 and that [ __ ] you can't get away with anymore. It just, it catches up. And then also like, you know, you have a decision. I'm either going to change this [ __ ] now and and not feel miserable or I'm going to [ __ ] you know, just be a miserable piece of [ __ ] and just drag on anyone who comes in my way. And that's kind of how I was, bro. I was, I think the majority time that I was such a [ __ ] in my 30s is because I was miserable, bro. Like I was not doing the [ __ ] I had to do to [ __ ] you know, work my energy, be active. But you figure all that [ __ ] out eventually. You either do the right thing or you [ __ ] stay being a piece of [ __ ] It's.

Yeah.

Agree.

Your, your choice.

Your choice. Um.

You got to fight to make it in all things.

All things. It's not easy, dude. And it's never going to get. Once you hit a point where you're like, "Yeah, I did it." Guess what? The next one's coming. It just doesn't stop. That's how it starts.

It doesn't, man.

Yeah. All right.

You know, like even, yeah. Even in my case right now, like everyone's like, "Oh, you've been doing this for a long time." Blah, blah, dude. It's like, gets harder and harder. Every, you start adding more stuff to your plate and everything, dude. Look, I, look, I always said, "Oh, I want to retire, dude." I never want to retire, man. Most I want to work my ass up. I want to be able to be in like great condition and fitness just to be able to work like through my 60s or 70s. Everyone that retires usually ends up freaking dying, man. So, I just wanted to work. And what I mean, you could do this to like 70, 80 years old with no problem.

Well, one, want to know one thing I'm noticing going to the gym so much like you see [ __ ] dudes in their 60s who've been at it for years and you see how they look and then you look at the guy who just turned 60 and his doctor's telling him he has to go to the gym and they're just sitting there [ __ ] clueless. Don't know how to work out.

Yes.

You don't want to be that person because it's too late. Like having to, having to change your mindset at 60 years old to be a [ __ ] beast in the gym. Oh, you better pray hard, bro. Or you better get.

You better get on some TR.

Yeah, dude. For real. For real, man. And and and it's cool now. Like I think now that, you know, that I'm getting older, you know. I remember when I was in my 30s, dude. I used to like, oh man, 40 was old, you know? Now that I'm 43, you know, I'm like, damn, I'm getting there. But I think it's such a flex when you see these guys, you know, like in their 40s to 50s just completely just looking great. I'm just like, holy, it motivates me more now to get it to my 50s. I want to be one of those 50, 60 year old dudes that are like some dudes that never did anything in their 40s, you know? Like there's these guys I show Ace, I'm like, "Dude, look at this guy, dude." Like this guy has to be about 55 years old, dude. Way more jacked than me. I mean, this guy's running down. I'm like, "Holy [ __ ] man." Yeah, obviously you have some little good medication there, but still, I mean, even even with that, you still have to put the work in. Like you still.

Oh yeah. No. Yeah, dude. 100%. 100%. Yeah, you can't do it without, dude. That's just helps you out with recovery.

And again, dude, making it a lifestyle. Like it's like that's why they call it the 1%, bro. Like because you got to want, you got to want to struggle every day. You know what I mean? But then again, you got, there's a reward of why you're struggling. Like, why are you pushing so hard to do something? Because after you're done, it feels amazing. I've never once gone to the gym and regretted it. Never once. I'm saying.

Dude. Not once. Not once. I've only, I've told myself I don't want to go, but every time I went, oh, I was like, Way to go, dude. You feel so good afterwards.

Yeah.

Um, all right. What do you got, Biggie? What do you got for a wrap-up topic for?

I, I love to ask this question. Um, you know, with, with the waves, the waves of projects you have, I'd love to know, I mean, which one excites you the most the next year?

The next year?

He's gonna say puzzle.

Damn, that's a. Yeah, you know what, kind of, yeah, I was, I was, I was gonna say the hyper GG puzzles. I was gonna say that, but.

I don't know, man. I, it, you know what? I have this really good feeling about about Sunset Exantic. I have a really good feeling about it, man. I really, really do. So.

All right. So, let me ask you like this.

Damn, that's a good one.

Let me ask you like this because this is how I like to decide that. Which combo, which combo do you want to hit that you would sacrifice? Maybe another, you know, which, which combo is the one you have to hit?

And you'll be super happy, you know, regardless of.

This year.

Yes.

This year. Um, that one, that one, that one's pretty easy. Um, the Cypress, uh, Ultram, Sunset Clown.

Okay.

Yes. [ __ ] you.

That, that, that to me, that's the one that I, I, I think Sunset Ultram are some of the prettiest, you know, combinations, you know, that I've seen in Sunset alone. Um, also, uh, I know you told me to choose one, but one that I'm super excited about is, uh, mixing, uh, Coral Glow Stranger into the Sunset Clown.

Okay.

Oh.

You think that's going to look good? That, that combination.

So, so if you look at, to me, one of the nicest looking, um, uh, Coral Glows, bananas that I've ever seen with have been Wookies and Strangers. It brings this orange and this darkness to them that has just, I mean, they're just next level, right?

One of the prettiest, um, um, sunset combos that I've seen was just a regular spot-nose, uh, banana sunset, you know? So, I think, you know, getting, you know, a dark gene to that bright gene with the sunset cloud would make such a great, like, balance to it that I'm excited about, man. Like that. That's one that I'm really, really hopefully we could see this year as well, too.

Oh, yeah.

I think, I think, well, I'll [ __ ] say it for you. Coral Glow, I think that has like, I think that's have some crazy bounce back, dude. I, I really think like you can't just put Banana on the shelf and just leave it there forever. Like their banana is here for a reason. You just got to have that right combination. Um, and I think that, I mean, that could be something crazy for Banana. I think.

100% dude. I agree. I agree.

It's exciting, man. We'll see.

But other than that, yeah, that's the. But other than that, the hypo DG puzzle stuff. I mean, there's so much stuff to do with it.

Um, I want to give it to you, man. Anything you want to close off with? Anything you want to say to the people? I mean, this was a great time. I appreciate it. I'm so excited we started the year off with you, but uh, go ahead and close this off with anything you like to say, man.

No, man. Just, you know, again, man, like for everyone that's in it, man, remember, you can't do anything, and I'm not just talking about reptiles.

Just take, take it from me, man. You can't do anything in life, in business, doing it with any hesitation. One foot in, one foot out. It's impossible, man. And I don't mean this in a bad way. You know, I told this to my own brother when he was working for me. You know, he's like, you know, me being his younger brother. He's like, "Oh, why, how'd you always do this? How'd you always do that?" I've never had any fear of doing anything, but every time I did do something, I would do it at 100%. And I told my brother, you know, some people are made to, you know, for business, some people are made just to work. And there's nothing wrong with that. I know people that have regular jobs and make more money than I do, dude. Having a regular job is freaking awesome, you know?

But in any business, I'm not talking about reptiles. Do it at 100% with some confidence and just balls to the walls, man. Other than that, if you have any hesitation, do it as a hobby. Have a regular job and do it on the side. There's two ways of going about it.

I heard in the Palmdale, uh, article in the news that Jesse made more money than you this year.

Yeah, he did. He did. Jesse killed it, dude.

He's killed it. No, I just want to say Jesse, dude. Which because you know, I've known Jesse as long as I known you. And I remember that him, that guy in your [ __ ] He was your rodents. He [ __ ] did a lot for you. He grinded it out.

He worked four days out of the week, man. Four days out of the week. And he was Ubering.

And now the guy is murdering it in the construction business, bro. Like I just, I love following your stories, bro. Like his crew of people and they're, you could tell they're good. Like he has a good crew, you know? Like it's not like [ __ ] biceps from Home Depot, dude. These dudes, these dudes get down. You know what I mean?

And now he's collabing with these big landscapers. They have big social media and they're doing projects together. I mean, he's now getting into commercial projects. I mean, dude, he started again when I told him and now, dude, my Jesse's always been a hard worker, but it's like he always like, I think he like kind of like, um, lacked a little bit of like the confidence and like he probably saw his like his younger brother, you know, like always doing some [ __ ] but making it work. With this guy knowing that he works harder than me. I mean, dude, now he has like four work trucks, a huge, I mean, he has a lot of employees. I mean, he's doing stuff that he even tells me he's never even thought of doing, you know, and it's so cool, you know? But again, he went at it 100%.

And now he's freaking killing it, man.

I love seeing it, man. And again, dude, you're, you're his brother. Like, you know, having two boys, you know, the fact that they could possibly do that for each other someday, like inspiring one another, no matter if it's the little brother or the big brother, like bro, like you guys started lives together that, you know, you guys celebrate with now. And by the way, Mastros on Jesse next time for sure.

All right, big dog. I appreciate you so much. You, we have to bring you back in like months or something. Um, where can people follow you? Drop all your social media plugs.

Always Evolving Pythons, Instagram and YouTube. And if you're Spanish, Miguel Garcia, I would say we should do something mid-February when I come back from Veraracruz, Mexico, because I have some big freaking, uh, announcement for you guys after that.

Okay, let's do it. We'll book it, man. But for now, guys, go follow and find all the links below. Give it up. It's a wrap for Miguel Garcia, ladies and gentlemen.

Love you guys. Peace out.

Man. Thank you. Peace out.

Oh, man. Good episode, man. That was, that was solid. That, that's every, eight. That's everything I wanted on this Monday night.

Yeah. You know, [ __ ] just excitement, man. You know, it's, it's good to listen to successful people, bro. That's all I got to say. Um, and that's just what we're all about. We, we, we try to bring people who just want to plant seeds into other people and just make them excited to be a part of this 'cause, bro, what an exciting time.

This is the real ball python game.

This is the, this is the real what you heard tonight, guys. Okay. This is what's really happening in the ball python game. Um, [ __ ] are serious, having fun.

He said it. Yeah, I gotta work a little harder, but bro, the excitement is is off the charts.

This is what we do. And, uh, you know, that's what, that's what we do every Monday and every Thursday.

Exactly. Yep.

I mean, every, every day.

Bro, what's your week, what's your week like preparation for having to leave? I mean, what's your, what do you have to do? I mean, is it, is it pretty much crunch time for you right now?

The gear is packed. Um, I got to pack the animals, uh, Wednesday, and that's it. Thursday, uh, I drop the dry goods off Wednesday, and then Thursday I drop the animals off.

Exciting [ __ ] guys. I'm telling you right now, if you're in SoCal and if you can make it to Pomona, Reptile Super Show, you're going to be able to [ __ ] see Biggie, Top G. Uh, you'll be able to see me and many other trappers there, other amazing vendors. Cannot wait, bro. But please go get, take care, take care of your stuff and be ready for a great weekend. All right.

Yeah, man.

All right. All right, give it up, guys. Please go give him a follow. Go subscribe. Bill Reptiles on, baby.

What'd you say?

2026. Let's go.

Let's go. It's in the bag, man.

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