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>> Tminus 30 seconds. T-minus 20 seconds. >> 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 Z. Trap Talk Reptile Network. Coolest Reptile Network in the world. Episode 723. New Bri on the Block. Mills Reptile PIP out of the UK. That's right. Tap into the UK this morning. Good morning, dude. Damn. Another Monday night on a morning. Wait, another Did I say that right? Another Monday. New breed on the block in the morning. That's what I meant to say.

Man, listen. I'm coming off quite a weekend. Uh, shout out to the Reptile Super Show. I just want to say first and foremost, what a freaking time, man. The Reptile Super Show was the best show I've ever had. Um, as far as like saleswise, dude. And even traffic-wise, the amount of people I spoke to this weekend was the most I've ever ever experienced at a Reptile Super Show. Shout out to Rammy. Shout out to anyone out anyone out there who uh went to the Reptile Super Show.

What's crazy to me, uh, a buddy Nick of mine who is a affiliate of Morph Market. I mean, his wife works for Morph Market. He posted something about, you know, the traffic and how packed the Reptile Super Show looked. And boy, were the comments just negative. I feel like some people out there just don't want there to be like a growth in the market. I don't know what it is, but it's crazy for me to see. At the end of the day, if you guys want to know what's really happening out there in the reptile world, go to a reptile super show 100%. Or come vin one. Uh shout out to Emilio Verino, my boy. You know, obviously Milo's usually with me, but he was here all weekend. Um just got under 10k in sales this this past weekend. He had an amazing time. Commuted all the way from Miami. So listen, dude, don't listen to any freaking little negative like people who aren't even in the game, okay? Okay, I'm telling you right now, fresh off the Reptile Super Show. It was a badass weekend. Okay, so again, dude, I had an amazing time. Uh, shout out to Rammy, uh, one of this network sponsors. I got to tell you right now, man, the Reptile Super Show is a place to go if you want to get excited to be a part of the reptile world in the just as a keeper, you know what I mean? Like, if you're not even like thinking money, if you're not even thinking, let me make this a business, good, dude. go to Reptile Super Show and see how many other fellowminded people like yourself will enjoy just love being a part of this hobby, man. And the Reptile Super Show is a place for that. And I'm looking forward to the next one. Uh that'll be the LA Pet Fair. Um the biggest that's even bigger in June. Okay. And I or I'm sorry, July and July 11th and 12th. Uh going to also be going down in Pomona, the fairgrounds. I'll be there for sure. I won't be vending, but I will be there in attendance. I'll be there vlogging. I'll be there hanging out with Morph Market.

I also want to say shout out to another sponsor, Morph Market Shipping. I was with Morph Market all weekend as well and it was just an awesome time to see how many people were swarming the Morph Market booth all weekend. Um, yeah, shout out to Morph Market for putting out free merch. The free merch did not last whatsoever. U, but also, man, you had so many people just conversating with uh a lot of the Morph Market team members asking questions, a lot of praises over the the whole weekend. So, Morph Market, man, you guys are doing it. I got to tell you right now, Morph Market is living up to the name. Um, and shout out to Morph Market and the entire Morph Market team. So proud to be a part of Morph Market and uh yeah, so many more things to come. Shout out to uh Darien for launching the new live uh feature on Morph Market's website as well. And um yeah, man, a lot of big things coming from Morph Market. This is just only the beginning, guys. So you guys are in for a treat. Anyone out there who's been on that Morph Market bandwagon, guess what? You're going to be on it for a long, long time. And yeah, shout morph market. Shout out the entire entire Morph Market uh platform. You know what I'm saying?

Uh, also tonight's episode is brought to you by Can't keep saying tonight. It's the morning, right? But yeah, shout out to uh Jersey guys balls, man. If you're uh into Sunset, Sunset Puzzle, Tornado, Monsoon, dude, you got to check out this amazing father and son duo. Uh, seeing these guys grow in the game and just now call them one of my main sponsor. Now, anyone could be a main sponsor, dude. I'm very picky of who becomes the main sponsor of this network. And, uh, dude, these guys, they they're doing it right, you know? Yeah, they put in a lot of work. They grind extra extra hard. It's probably why they became what they became, but dude, they're nowhere near where they want to be at. The growth is still there for these guys, and I would follow them right now. Jersey Guys Balls, again, if you're really into the sunset stuff, puzzle, monsoon, tornado, dude, tap in right now with Brett and John over at Jersey Guys Balls. Appreciate the support.

Uh, also tonight's episode is brought to you by RGI. This morning's Rare Genetic, Inc. Shed Tested should be turned in to the best doing it in the game, and that's Rare Genetic, Inc. Shout out to Dr. Ben. Um, and shout out to anyone out there who follows their YouTube channel because that's where you can stay updated on all current events, new announcements. So, head over to their YouTube channel, uh, Rare Genetic, Inc., subscribe, and also follow them on Instagram. Shout out to Dr. Ben. Um, shout out to Sean. Shout out to the entire RGI team and family doing doing really big big things. And, uh, also tonight's episode's brought to you by Clutch tonight, this morning. I'm going to keep [ __ ] up. What do you want me to do? Uh, number one, uh, organization app in the game for sure. Uh, you're coming to the ball python game, you better be organized. You better look like you are definitely know what you're doing and Clutch helps you do all that. Helps you stay on top of your projects. Helps you stay tapped in with other people what they got going on. It's a whole community over at Clutch. Check it out. You can try it free for 30 days. Find the link in description below.

Also, to wrap it up, shout out to Kenova, man. One of my new main sponsors. And uh I mean, what introduction do I need? It's Kenova. Kenova Reptiles. Thank you so much for all the inspiration. Justin, for you to be a leader in the ball python game and you being the guy that you are, thank you for being the standup individual. Uh, you know, the hobby needs leadership like that for sure. And Justin's all about that. He's all about inspiring. He's inspiring me from the get-go along with many, many other fellow keepers and breeders out there. So, Justin Kabulka from Kenova Reptiles. Check him out if you haven't already. I don't know what the hell you're doing. Holy [ __ ] Check them out right now. Kova Reptiles.

So, all right guys, Mills, listen. Um, shout out to Mills. He hit me up. He's like, "Yo, MJ," because I think he saw me talking about Bambino. Uh, Bambino I feel like is definitely one of my my most exciting new incomplete dominance that has hit the hobby. My boy Justin Ozark Oz Ozark Mountain Morphs um really put me on to Bambino. I saw his stuff in person and I'm like dude, yeah, if I could see it, then I want to be it. You know what I'm saying? Like I invest in stuff I could visually see. Bambino is something I could visually see. Um, and, you know, hasn't even scratched the surface yet, right? Obviously, which is the most exciting part. Um, but man, there's so many questions with Bambino. And what's cool is like we got this guy Mills from UK who discovered the Bambino gene, but it's just not all about Bambino tonight, which is crazy. Um, there's a lot of stuff we're going to be talking about that this man has his hands on and he's excited to share it with you guys.

All right, so without further ado, let's get this morning, afternoon, nighttime, cuz somewhere around the world, wherever you're watching, it's one of those. You feel me? And it's Trap Talk. We are global global. Shout out to uh anyone in the UK watching, but you guys are in for a treat. It is that time. Do what you got to do to get your mind right and do what you got to do to stay hydrated for episode 723. Mills Reptile Pit out of the UK. Let's go.

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>> Hey, how you doing, MJ? You good? >> I'm great, bro. Listen, I love the UK, bro. I don't know what it is. Uh, remember I told you we talked like I used to have a UK series. Like, I had a series. It was called Dabs and Coffee Sessions. Um, >> it's all international guests, but international wise, I only knew UK guys. And so, um, I just love how Listen, my my heart goes out to the UK. I I I like all the keepers in there and and it's cool to have you on because I've I've heard your name floating around for a while and and I want to talk to you more so I could kind of pinpoint where that name where I originally heard that name. But let's get into how long you've been around, bro, because we are going to be talking some gems that you are working with. Um and I know you're not somebody who just popped up a year or two ago. You you've been around the block, right?

>> Right. Yeah. I've been doing this for 25 years professionally now. >> Respect. >> So, it's been quite a This year is 25 years. So, it's been a little while. Yeah. It's a a labor of love and yeah, couldn't think of anything better to do. It's lovely to be be able to do your passion, you know. >> Yeah, 100%. I know all about that. I think that's kind of first thing I can say we have in common like, you know, we are legit passionate about what we work with and what we do. And for somebody been doing what you've been doing out of the UK for 25 years, there's not a lot of you guys, bro. Like, you guys have grown over the years, but I mean, I don't even know what the scene was like 20 25 years ago in the UK. Um, nothing like it was now, right?

>> Absolutely not. I mean, we didn't have the gene pool. Um, you know, when I started, uh, the first pides had just been found. Uh, normals were being bought out of Africa for £100 per,000 g, >> right? >> So, it was a very different ball game. You know, pastals hadn't even been found yet. You know, I paid $7,000 for my first pastel. So, it was a it was a whole different ball game out there. We had a very limited uh gene pool in comparison to what we have now. But it was still fun. It was exciting. You know, it was great to see the new morphs, the new combinations. You really uh had a small pool to be very creative with. >> Were you more of a like mass producer like type of like were you ever part of that era? Because obviously like the more you could breed the better at one point. Was that ever you like did you ever get to the point of that having that many snakes? I don't even know how many you currently have. We could get into that as well, but where you at when it comes to the scale of how many snakes you produce and keep and all that on average throughout the last 25 years?

>> Well, uh, in reality in the UK, space is very limited. The UK is only a small island and I'm pretty sure it can fit into any state in USA multiple times. So, we're really tiny and our places are really tiny. Space is really expensive over here. So, we're limited to how much we can keep. And it was never a massive production thing for me. We I always just focused on a few projects every year. Even now, uh I don't really try and exceed, you know, 30 40 clutches a year, but normally about 25 clutches a year. Uh just trying to produce what I want to produce and stay focused on certain projects and slowly proving out new genes is what I normally do. Um altogether over here at the moment, I've got about uh between five and 600 animals. So, it's a very small small collection.

>> You know, listen, I I don't like laws in a sense. I was never really good at following them. But like some some laws it almost it's almost a good thing that you weren't able to have so many animals or like get to a point of like unregulated stuff to where like look what happens here in the United States. Like look how many breeders once were producing 300 400 clutches and they're not here no more cuz they it was just it was just way too much you know meat on the bone for them to take advantage of and they just couldn't keep up especially with the money that's being spent right now you know

>> absolutely I think it saturates a market as well production will always saturate what what is out there and I think that's what's brought down the price one of the factors that's brought down the price obviously we've had a recession as well and there's other factors that have brought down the price but I The main factor has been overp production of the ball pythons. Uh which is sad, but uh the good thing is is that I think there's a lot of new genes coming into the marketplace and I think people can build a whole new gene pool with those new genes uh interacting with the pool that they've already got. So I think we're in a we're in a fortunate position again. I think the whole market will turn around over the next couple of years. So, anyone that's in it has their doubts. I think that they should just stick with it, you know?

>> I mean, or just understand this is ball pythons. It's never going to end. Like, we're we have there's so much [ __ ] we haven't even seen yet. And and some of these people have the attitude like, "Oh, well, what else could be done? We're all done." No, we're not. Like, it it just starts over again. And and I think people, they don't want to [ __ ] put the work in. They feel like, you know, and I'm saying some people didn't put the work in, but they're just they're tired. They don't want to do it no more. And that's fine, but don't sit here say that, oh, the market's [ __ ] done. No, you're done. You're done. The market's not done. You're done. And And you know what? This weekend proved it at the Reptile Super Show. Um, dude, I had the best sales I ever had. I had the most interaction interactions I've had with people I've ever had. My boy Alio, same [ __ ] thing. My buddy Dennis Smith, who was right next to us as well from Serbent Smith, dude. So, I don't, you know, again, a lot of the negativity does not come from the people actually doing the work. like people like us, we are so consumed with the work that we're doing. We're excited about it and we're happy to be a part of it. And I feel like it's that easy to be happy to be a part of the ball python game. Look at the future. It's the future.

I I think a lot of people have fallen into their comfort zone where they've got the collection that they've got and they just carry on producing what they've got. I think to to be great at anything, you have to come out your comfort zone. And it doesn't matter what industry you're in, whether you're in uh snakes cars, we've made the transition with cars from petrol to electric to what's going to come next. And those pioneering companies that are at the forefront of the car game will carry on uh innovating, you know, and we got to do the same ourselves as well. We got to carry on adding to our collection. And I think testament to the shows that are producing great sales for everyone. And also, you know, you can see it in Wolf Market. You can see a lot of the new good jeans that are going for over five to $15,000, which the proof is in the pudding right there. If you have the right stuff and you put your mind to it, you can produce some really great stuff. And you don't have to produce a 100 animals or 5,000 animals to to be successful. You have to select your projects. have I believe in my personal opinion, you have to have your project set out for the next 5 years. Have a game plan and then make it work as any normal business would. But I think a lot of people feel it's a it's a get-richquick uh plan and they think that they're going to become overnight millionaires, which is sad.

>> How how old are you, Mills? >> How old am I? >> Yeah. How old are you? >> I am 45. >> Okay. I'm 40. So, how long have you heard this term? put your mind to it. You know, I I feel like that's something that is said to us a lot, but if you think about it, not that easy to do if your mind is full of [ __ ] All right? If your if your mind is in the gutters like that, and I'm serious, dude. Some people, they try to put their mind to it and their head is so drenched in negativity, drama, they don't know what to do. And that's the [ __ ] problem. Get your [ __ ] mind right. and and and it's and again not as as simple as it sounds because I've been working on myself for years, but it's not that you know as easy. Again, I've heard this my whole life. Put your mind to it. It's just not that easy for people right now. Right now, it's mentally difficult for a lot of people in this hobby to where if they go to their mind, they're in trouble. Um but again, dude, if you can't go to your own head for things, for ideas, what the [ __ ] are you going to do? Like, you're going to listen to And that's the thing, dude. A big man. Oh my god. I could go down a whole [ __ ] rabbit hole on this. The biggest problem with the ball python community is a lot of these people can't think for themselves. Like they can't do the old school [ __ ] thinking. Let me know what I got to do to make what I want to make. Not with [ __ ] Jerry or [ __ ] Coney boy wants to make. Dude, so many people want to copy other people in the ball python game. That's the problem. They're not thinking for themselves. Mills, am I right or wrong? Is that right or wrong?

>> You're absolutely 1,000% correct. They see a morph that they like and they want to replicate it. They don't want to see how they can diversify it to change the pattern or the color to have their own stamp on it. We've got to think outside the box to put your own stamp on it. You you sometimes got to take two steps back and look at what you're doing. Maybe you have too many animals. Maybe you don't have enough diversity. by actually channeling the colors and the attributes of an animal that you actually like and focusing on that then take it forward. Don't follow someone else's dream. Make your own dream. You know, you've got to sit there in my opinion and have the colors, patterns, and the morphs that you like working with and then try and adapt them to something that you can visualize for the future. That's just my opinion.

>> Well, here's the thing. when somebody now like like if my mom introduces me to a friend or if I'm around a family gathering and I'm meeting new people and they ask me what do you do? I make art. That's simply what I do. I make art and it's living. I make [ __ ] living art. I put my mind to where I want to take this animal colors, its pattern and I make it happen into real life. And that's a that's an artist like in a sense that takes art to do that. You know what I'm saying? But but again art should be unique. Art should come from your own vision. It it comes from here. it comes from here. You know what I'm saying? And that's that's all people need to do. Like, you know, again, I love all the customers I've had my my, you know, but one of the things I've gotten in the ball python department mainly is like I sell them a snake and they ask me, "What would you put into the snake or like what what would you buy?" And mind you, like that's like why would I tell you what I would put into that snake? Like first and foremost, like that's my my whole thing is like I'm working with what I'm working with. like and and I'll tell you what I'm working with, but I'm not going to tell you what I'm putting what to what to what. But I'm not going to lie to you either. I'm not going to mislead you, which again, you guys need to understand when you're asking other people for advice, how do you know they're giving you really good, honest advice? Like, how do you know they're telling you what they what you should pair where in their head they're like, I would [ __ ] never pair that. Like, how do you know?

>> Absolutely. Yeah. But they're not going to tell you what's in their own mind and what secrets they gonna have, what they planning to do. They're gonna, you know, >> wake up. >> Exactly. And the beauty of the ball pythons is that we got such a palette of jeans, colors, >> patterns, everything that it's it's up to your own mind. I mean, I find myself, as you said, an artist, I find myself always going back to one of my favorite childhood books that's been turned into a movie now, which is Charlie in the Chocolate Factory. >> Yeah. >> And I want to be like Willy Wonka, you know? I want to create the the greatest sweet >> but in a snake form. You know, I want to create something that the world has never seen. I I'm disappointed when I get a clutch and there's something in that clutch that's already been produced. Obviously, you're going to have some offspring that are kind of I'm not going to say byproduct, but a thing that comes from the genes that it's going to it's going to happen. But, uh, I I love producing and trying to breed for things that the world has never seen. And I think that's the beauty of the opportunity that we've got with ball pythons. I think we we have to uh think outside the box, really look at the color and the pattern uh palettes that we've got and try and create something that you desire and something that's very different and the world world has never seen before. I think that's that that's that puts such a huge smile on your face when you're cutting an egg and you have no idea what what the baby inside's going to look like. It's It's the most amazing feeling in the world.

>> I've had I have I had more I've had more excitement and like, "Holy [ __ ] did I hit that?" versus like, "Oh [ __ ] I didn't hit it." And I know it all evens out. It's like it it the odds and evens, they all work itself, but the it just doesn't get old seeing something living in the egg for me. Like for me at least, like I'm breeding something. And that's why like, yeah, you know, I I I do get my head caught into the clouds with the condrils and emeralds, but if I have a ball python clutch and it's pipping, my heart starts getting excited because they're reptiles coming out of A [ __ ] EGG. AND I love it. I love it. You know what? Ever since I was a kid, I could have never imagined working with animals this directly, this like personable. You know what I mean? And it's again, man, if you don't love it, then why would you want to make it all this? Like why would you want hundreds of animals if you're not [ __ ] just obsessed over it? Obsessions is a heavy word, but just love it. Like love it. Just love it for what it is. You know what I mean? So, um, and again too, right? One of the things that you would recommend, Mills, being in the game as long as you have, and we're going to get into all the projects right now, but you don't ever put all your eggs in one morph like you know, or one project. Like, why would you? Again, it's okay to have a foundation or like a like a leading project, but you don't rely on that one project in the ball python game. You don't rely on one anything in the ball python game because guess what? Let's say YOU HIT THAT [ __ ] PINNACLE ANIMAL. A WEEK GOES BY. NOBODY CARES. IT'S OVER, DUDE. Your excitement for hitting a world first nowadays lasts about a week. About a week. And that's if it hits trap talk. After that, what what's next? This is a ballp. What's next? This is the ball. What's next? Okay, you hit that week goes by. What's next? That's it, dude. you. It's never And you ever see Justin complaining or Miguel or [ __ ] people like Levance? They just keep making more heat. It doesn't stop. And and but the thing takes work and it takes time. Mills work and time.

>> Absolutely. You're absolutely correct. It takes a lot of work, time, and dedication. And really, this is a leisure of love and if you can make it into a business, I mean, >> you know, it's great. Um, and you have to work really, really hard and be determined and put your heart and soul into it. It takes over your life and you have to be prepared for that if you want to do this professionally, you know. Um, but there's for me no more pleasure in the world than working with animals. And I think it's amazing to be able to work with animals and it's amazing to be able to uh see and carry on creating new beautiful color and pattern uh morphs. Personally, I love the dark stuff, but we got to remember as well, we got to create for all the all the people out there as well. So, there's a lot of people that like the lighter jeans, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And I'm not saying that I don't like the lighter jeans. I've created some stuff just recently that has blown me away with the contrast >> and I'm so blessed to be able to work with a full spectrum, a full color spectrum. But it's we got to understand that everyone likes different things. But I'll come back to it again. Produce what you like and I guarantee someone else will like it. You know, if you're if you're passionate about it, just go for your own dreams and I'm sure someone else will like it. If you like it, someone else is going to like it, right?

>> Yeah. So, GHI, GHI was the first, I guess, back in 2017, my first investment, more if I bought because I think it was like $300. And for me, $300 for Snake was like, holy [ __ ] you know, like I couldn't believe I was doing that. But the dark stuff, I wanted Super GHI. I'll never forget seeing Super GHIS for the first time. And that's what made me fall in love with dark projects, but they was all about dark stuff. But guess what, dude? If I had nothing but dark stuff after a while, like where where's where's the diversity? And then now, luckily, you know, I got other I got super gravel DG [ __ ] I got I got [ __ ] that pops. And it's so cool when you have it all. Like when you got Oh, you want dark stuff? I got you. Oh, you want some bright stuff? I got you. Oh, you want some [ __ ] black and white [ __ ] Look at this exantic. Like having it all is ideal. But again, not easy, dude. Cuz first and foremost, to have it all, you can't do that in the first few years. like you're gonna you're going to burn out. And that's what people started doing. People try to max out how many projects they can get, thinking in five years it's all going to take off. But guess what? Not the case. Now you have all these projects that hasn't even [ __ ] flourished yet. But are you willing to sit down and waiting for it to happen? Like are you like again I I stress when people have a timeline or a business plan like oh I got to how what the [ __ ] These are living animals. What's your plan? Oh cancer free [ __ ] my nothing's going to happen to the How do you predict that? You can't predict any of that stuff. So again, the time is the time and no time no timeline is so crucial in this. And I'm sure you could agree with that, right, Mills? Like how can you predict when things are really going to be successful project-wise in this game? You can't. There's no chance. You can't predict anything. You know, it's down to nature. We don't we we can't control nature. You can't control if a female is going to go or a male is going to breed. That male is going to breed to that female. There's no way of making sure that will happen. And I think you just got to let nature take its course. And also, you know, you you've got to appreciate that these animals are are are precious in their own right. They will do what they want to do. So, as much as you want to take a project somewhere, you got to respect them and their their time. So, a project can take, you know, like as with me, 15 years to actually get something going. And I've still got a project downstairs I've had for 15 years that I was nurturing as a baby. >> She still hasn't bred. And you know, this year is the first year that I feel that she's been a good enough well last year, sorry, a good enough size to be able to breed, but she came in skin and bones from Africa. She was so tiny. Um, and I had to hand feed her for two years. She wouldn't take a meal whether it was live def. She wouldn't take no meals unless I had her in one hand and the rodent in the other hand. If I had the rodent in a tweezers, she wouldn't take. I had to have the rodent in one hand and gently put it towards her face and that's the only way she'll take for two years.

>> Yeah. Again though, like you we're talking like things that are happening to people and they call it quits and it's like dude, what are you doing? Like why are you packing it up only because now it didn't happen the year you wanted it to happen? Um and that's the thing like not man I get I used to say how easy ball pythons were and they are they're easy to breed but to be successful not easy. It's not it it you really got to have it in you dude and you got to be [ __ ] a savage at business. You got to be a savage at social media. You got to be a good people person. Like you got to know how to connect with people because here's the thing, you got to know when you're dealing with the [ __ ] and when you're not dealing with a [ __ ] bag in the ball python game because sometimes they're hard to see and they do come out of nowhere. I mean, how what do you before again we still have to talk about all your projects, but like the whole and again I had Ralph I had Ralph on but talk about Cosmos and I give Ralph so much props for [ __ ] coming on the show breaking it down, you know that I feel like more people should do what he does like if anyone's getting called out or something come on and talk about it and [ __ ] Ralph he did that and I I have so much respect for that guy for doing that but you know you know about the hurricane drama right?

>> Yeah. >> Okay. So, like how much of that have you've experienced firsthand, Mills, where you're like, you know what, like this guy just isn't who I think he was. And I'm not saying I'm not saying Hans is that, but that that is a [ __ ] up situation from what I'm hearing. But I'm curious like how much how much have you been thrown off by people in this hobby like either in the States or in UK, but people you thought you could trust and it just holy [ __ ] I mean, less is more or more than you think. I'm curious.

>> It's a lot, you know, from there. There's a lot of people that see this as the first point, you know, see this as a thing that as I said before, you can get rich very quickly. >> Yeah. >> And then they get the greed element coming in. Then they all about the money and then they will say anything to you to to try and play it to their advantage. You know, there's a lot of people that the when the greed sets in, the money sets in, and that's all they're focused on. Um and there's there there is people that uh I think should take more time in breaking down genes especially new genes. Uh you've got to be certain and this is where uh there's there's I think because a new gene situation is quite new. >> Yeah. And it's a hugely exciting thing when you find a new gene and people want to show it to the world and there's a demand and sometimes you can sell it slightly prematurely without uh reading enough clutches to break it down and understanding if there's a hitchhiker gene or anything else involved. A lot of the times when animals from my experience come from Africa, they are hiding one or two more genes. Sometimes they're recessive, sometimes they're subtle uh incomplete doms. Sometimes they're quite obvious uh incomplete doms. Uh but it can take two or three breedings, two or three clutches, maybe even more than that to actually be able to understand that there's two or three genes in play and to isolate the extra gene as well. So it takes time. I I think uh one thing I would say about anyone that's getting into new genes is take a good few years to make sure that you understand the breakdown and all the markers of that new project that you're working with uh to be able to explain everything and show the differences uh so that you've got confidence in your new gene and that you have no comebacks on it.

>> Yeah. I mean I think about what's the safe route when it comes to working with something you think is brand new. Well, if you want to name it, God bless you. Name it, but keep it for yourself and keep showing examples. Get to the point of breeding. And then guess what? Breed it again. And then guess what? Breed it again. And then guess what? You have a resume behind this [ __ ] morph that you could talk about. And also, I hope you're collecting sheds, right? If you really want to make sure you got something and you're not sheding and it's been 3, four years and you're selling this morph for $11,000. Are you [ __ ] kidding me? What a joke. That's what I have a problem with is is okay, you discovered a gene that looks just like OD and everyone's telling you it could be OD. It could be a line and you're [ __ ] standing on this horse saying no, it's an $11,000 morph. People are paying that and that's what I'm going to get and you're going to milk that till it's dry. How did that work out for you?

>> Yeah, absolutely. Like I think shed testing is a is a very new thing as well. And I think now that they're getting uh you know more more technology behind the shed testing I think people can be more confident with it. I think there was a lot of skepticism behind it with uh some morphs that were inaccurate but that was early days of shed testing. So we got to appreciate that as well. As technology grows we can have more confidence in it and I think people will start doing that more and more. But as we know, we had uh issues with the DG and stuff like the lesser and the butter and a few other morphs. And I think that knocked a few people's confidence. It did mine um to actually do that to to make sure that the water didn't get mudded. But I'm hoping that this year with all the new technology that's coming in, all the stuff with shed testing, it's going to it's going to really revolutionize the whole game. And I think you're absolutely right, people should be doing that. Um, but I I I still do think that there's a little more advancements that need to go on with the shed testing. So, it gives everyone confidence, >> but it helps you look stronger, right? Like, if I tell you, hey, Mills, I got this new morph. I'm showing you pictures >> and then I'm telling you, I'm collecting as many sheds as possible. Hey, I'm trying my ass off to prove this off. That's all that that's all that shows that you're trying to prove this. But if you tell me I'm not doing shed testing, I'm good. Like, what? Like how you got so how you gonna pull this off? So you you know you know purposely the longer you go without shed testing and the more you find out you can't shed this right for whatever reason. How is this going to sustain? You know this you know you're selling the price for this more because you could do it right now and it's about to [ __ ] be over until till at that certain point where people start connecting the dots which people connect the dots. That's one thing I love about this hobby. People are connecting dots a lot quicker than they used to. Like this hobby was terrible of people getting taken advantage of like with hats. Like think about shed testing before uh think about hats before shed testing, right? Like you know how many stories I heard of like [ __ ] getting like taken advantage thousand dollars of fake hats and stuff like that where now you just can't do that anymore. Like it's and again if you do do that, you know, this hobby is very unforgiving now when it comes to [ __ ] like that. Um and it should be because look at the money involved. We're talking people who make a livelihood out of this. Okay. Yeah. I've been I've been to Kabulka's place. It's [ __ ] crazy. I've been other people other ball python breeders place. It is [ __ ] crazy. The life this hobby could bring you is insane. Okay, so again, we should we should be [ __ ] professional on top of our [ __ ] when it comes to stuff like this. I really do.

>> Yeah. I I think I think it is going to become a part and parcel of ball python breeding. I think with a new morph, I I believe you have to have shed testing done from a couple of different collections and there's a good number of different shed tests that have to be done. That's only what what information has been passed on to me. Maybe they'd made advancements and that would really help if if there's less number of sheds that could be done from one collection from say five different animals. It would make it much easier to actually uh put a new gene on a map and I think that time will come as well. But when you need I think from the last time I heard you needed 40 different sheds and they needed to come from uh all different morphs or all different uh all different animals. Okay, maybe I'm wrong. You know, maybe it's changed now.

>> No, it's I mean I honestly it's it's not easy. I'll tell you that. Like to go ahead and get shed testing for a new morph, it's going to take some time. That's why it baffles me when when someone tells me they've had this new gene that they're selling for thousands of dollars for five years and they never once considered to collect sheds. Like you know how many sheds you could have gotten in the last five years, Mills? Five years. And then also from the customers like telling them, "Hey guys, let's get our sheds together." Like like let's figure this out together. No, CUZ GUESS WHAT? YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO FIGURE IT OUT. THAT'S THE THAT'S WHAT I'm connecting the dots on. You know, that's the only way I could see not wanting to collect collect sheds is because you don't want people to figure it out as soon as you think they can figure it out. That's it. That's Listen, I'm a hustler, dude. I know how I just feel like [ __ ] are working it like that. I really do. And I I hope I'm wrong, but I from what it looks like, I'm not wrong. So, there you go.

>> I think shed testing really um exploded in from what I saw in 2024. it started really coming out and 2025 you know the new company started coming out it really exploded in a big way so I think moving forward I think people should really take heed on shed testing but I think you know it's if if it's been out for the last 5 years I think it's been it's not been out there so much and I I still will go back and say I don't think they had enough technology I think moving forward 2020 26. I think it's definitely a thing that that everyone should be doing and everyone should be uh understanding. I think, you know, 5 years ago, I didn't I don't think people even knew about shed testing, let alone uh thinking about collecting all their sheds for it, but I think moving forward, I think it's I think it's going to be an integral part of the ball python industry. And I think hopefully they'll they'll spread it out to other markets as well. You know, hopefully they'll be able to map a lot of different species as well.

>> 10,000%. I'm gonna I'm gonna shameless plug one of my sponsors. Shout out to Devon and Tzo over at Prague Morphs. Um they have now launched a new u shed testing um company that's you know partnered up with RGI. I don't know if you heard about this yet um Mills but dude yeah Europe is going to be locked in with shed testing now. It's called

RepGen. Um, so guys, make sure you follow Progs and also follow this new page. Um, and again, it's all collaborated and powered through RGI. So Europe is not gonna have an issue with shed testings now. I don't feel like I think again, 2026, like you said, Mills, dude, wake up. It's time to get, it's time to clean up the act a little bit and it's all about proving what we have.

I feel like in 2026. >> No, that's really good. I didn't even know about that. So that's that, that's really good that you brought that uh information to me and hopefully I can reach out to them and maybe, um, I can work with them from the UK to get people from the UK to actually work with a company like that. I think that would be fantastic. You know, that's really helpful. So, I really appreciate you bringing that to my attention. >> And I really encourage you reaching out to them because Devon and TZO are some of the nicest people I've ever met in the hobby. They're very, they're all about the hobby and growth in it. So, dude, please reach out to them. They're, they're awesome for sure. >> I really appreciate you bringing that to my attention. Thank you very much, MJ. Thank you.

>> Let's get to it. Bambido, buddy. >> Hey, dude. Listen, coming off a lot of, well, again, shout out to Ralph, man. But Cosmos, that whole debacle kind of like dampered my mood a little bit just cuz I'm like, "Oh man, like now we're questioning Cosmos." And what's crazy after that episode, dude, people started hatching out some crazy looking Cosmos. And it's still like, you know, it's in the works. But man, shout out to Justin Ozark Mountain Morphs, good buddy of mine, good supporter of mine. He put me on Game of Bambino and then I saw some of his Bambino in person and and it very and it like did it have a lot of jeans in it. I think it was just almost singled out, but dude, Bambino, I feel like very powerful, a force to be reckoned with in the future. Um, how, let's get to the uh meat and potatoes of how you discovered it. Um, how does something like this land in your lap? Let's talk about it.

So I was very fortunate from 2008 to start bringing shipments in from Africa through, um, a very good friend of mine that I was working with in USA. It was actually my first broker in USA that broken animals from USA back to me, uh, from I was bringing stuff in from Ralph Davis, you know, the original legend, uh, back then. Um, and he had a contact in Africa and so I started, uh, bringing in stuff from Africa through him. Uh, and then a few years later he got out and he gave me the contact. But through those years from 2008 to 2012, I was bringing in stuff from Africa and that was really my passion. Um, and I was looking at things that looked different. There was some stuff that was obviously different. Um, but there was some stuff that was very subtle as well. And I always had a porn for like the granite type jeans. I loved that the different look on them, the, the speckling through them. It was just something that I, I had a passion for. I never in my wildest dreams bought it with the thought that, oh, that jean's going to blow up this big. I just bought it because I like the look of it. I thought it looked totally different to the other stuff that's out there. There was, you know, some subtle granite type jeans out there back then, but there was nothing kind of as expressive as the Bambino was the color spectrum to the speckling to those kind of, uh, I, I call them kind of Space Invaders. They're not quite alien heads. They're just really weird, wacky fans on the side.

>> What a movie, dude. Space Invader. Did you ever watch that movie Space Invaders? No, I just played the arcade game. That's all I did. You know, I played the arcade game and that's what reminded me of.

>> There's an actual movie in the 80s. It was called Space Invaders. And honestly, I haven't remembered that movie in years until you said that name, dude. It is [ __ ] hilarious. I'll, I'll send you the link after the episode. It's, it's a funny movie, dude. But yeah, Space Invaders. Yeah, that was also iconic 80s. Was that on Artari or is that or that one [ __ ] joystick game or was that the actual Nintendo? No, it was out way before then. I think it started coming out in the arcades way back when.

>> Yeah. Right. Right.

>> And like same time as Pac-Man came out. So those simple, really simple games that was d so nothing like the games today, but the games that we spent our our childhood playing, you know, and just misbent childhood playing, you know, but they were fun, you know. Pac-Man, Space Invaders, those type of games kept us entertained for years, you know.

>> Oh, 100%. So, let's kind of get to, um, you know, as far as like, I don't know, like, I feel like some people are late to noticing that they have something special. Like, at what point did you like get to the, um, place where you can name it Bambino? Like, let's get to that.

>> So, it was, it was just, uh, coined that name to begin with, um, until I proved it out. That was just what I, I referred to it as. And then I bred, uh, successfully for the first time after about, um, eight years, seven, eight years, I bred the bambino and got a successful clutch. I bred it to a purple passion yellow belly.

>> Oh wow. Okay. Purple passion.

>> Um, and so obviously a leic, so I would know what the bass is. So I'd know everything was going to come out. Phantom or Mojave. And then the yellow belly would be a bonus on top to see the reaction in there. Um, but then when I actually saw the reaction with the Mojave, Phantom, that's the moment that I, I knew that, wow, this is something really special, really different. And I haven't seen anything in the world from all the jeans that I've seen. I haven't seen anything in the world like that. And the ones with yellow belly on top were just absolutely impressive, you know. Um, and then my challenge after that was to find if there was any other hitchhiker type gene on top. Um, but that was the first step that I knew I had proven out this gene. I knew it was genetic. I knew it was making enough disturbance and disrupting the strong Mojave and Phantom alien, >> to be able to be really excited about this gene. Okay. And so you said six years it took you to get the clutch that you that made that gave you the whole like, oh [ __ ] this is we're going something here. You said about six years.

>> It was between seven and 8 years from when it was a baby to, uh, to when it had its first clutch because it reached being an adult after, uh, being an adult and being a a good enough weight. Uh, it was producing sperm after the first two and a half years, but being an adult and actually, well, I didn't even check it for sperm was probably producing sperm a bit more before that, but to a size where I was happy with after about 3 years, I was putting it to girls and he was not interested, just nothing, no clutches, hardly any locks. He had a couple of locks. I got really excited when I saw a lock with a big coral glow girl of mine and, um, I backed her up and she, she produced a clutch from the other sire. Um, and there was a, a number of clutches. So, typically I won't breed a new African male to multiple females. I will only really go in the first season, uh, especially back then to just one girl, one or two girls and that's all I'll go because I don't want a massive of clutch if, if it's not a proven gene and if it's just something subtle that I have to hold back and and keep and trying to figure it out because even some of the subtle genes can produce amazing supers and amazing combos. So there's nothing against some of the subtle stuff. Some of the subtle stuff has produced some of the most wonderful animals. I mean, even if we just talk about yellow belly, you would see that as normally a subtle gene, but look at what it produces. Ivories. So, nothing against subtle stuff, but it's just what when you've got the magnitude of African stuff that I'm working with. I don't have the space to produce 10 clutches of one thing. And that's been a real saving grace really for me.

>> Yeah. If I didn't do it in that way, then I'll be overflooded. Then I'll have to oversupply the market and the prices drop really quickly. And, uh, I think the saving sanctitude for me has been really, uh, producing small numbers of clutches and in the first few years keeping back what I wanted to keep back, holding most of the things back, pretty much everything back and then releasing things very slowly. So Justin from Ozark was the first person that whole year, um, in 2024, to have a bambino. There was no one else. I, I just wanted to release that pair and that's all I released and that was it.

>> You know, listen, I, I've known Justin for, you know, at least three, four years now. And you know, I knew he was up and coming. And again, man, I do this to anybody. If you tell me you got something new or one of a kind, I'm like, man, God bless. Like, I, I'm rooting for you, buddy. And I, because I was, you know, you're never too sure. Like, you always hear this from everywhere like, "Oh, I got something new. I got this. I got that." And so I think a year or two went by and then he started [ __ ] he started posting some stuff and I was like, "Holy shit." Or like a year went by. But basically all it took was some little time and him showing the work and then him going to shows and people seeing it for it to turn into what it's turning into. And Bambido is nowhere near on the cusp what it's about to blow up to. I think it's, I think it's going to get a lot bigger, but people are starting to pay attention to it. You know what I'm saying? And again, he's, I think Justin's playing it out the exact way it needs to be played out. Like, let it prove itself. Just keep showing examples of it. You know, hop on podcastes where you can keep talking about it and let the [ __ ] people be the voters. Let, let us be the one to be like, "You got something." You know what I'm saying? Um, and it's that simple, you know? I, I feel like, uh, again, going back to not having a timeline and just doing the work, like just doing the work, like what you were talking about. And and my next question for you, Mills, is like, what kind of,

>> I don't know, not, I'm not concerned, but like, you know, if you get something like you're talking about, who do you go to for guidance? Like, like if you feel like you got something, like in the case of you, like, do you feel like you had to reach out to somebody and be like, "Hey, can I get your, can I get your ID on this? Or can I get your, your opinion?" Did you reach out to anyone like that? Or do you feel like you have to, like, how do, how do you, how do you delegate when it comes to like reaching out to your fellow peers, like maybe people that you respect, other people that are killing it in the game? Like, do, do you feel like it's important to reach out to them and to seek validation, I guess? I don't know.

>> I think it definitely is. I mean, for me, I think it was slightly different because, um, there wasn't many people to be able to that were working with so many African jeans as I was or I am still. Um, so I kind of had to be self-taught and really look at all the finer details and take things apart. So for me, I really had to, um, study every single animal that I produced and every single new gene that I produced because it's not just a bambino. I produced a lot more. Um, but I really had to take the bones off it. And sometimes I had to go back to simplify some things because there may have been a gene that I put in that I attached that as stuck to the breeding. So I had to take it back or there might have been a hitchhiker gene. So it takes an eye and it takes a lot of hard work. But, uh, now there's a lot of, uh, people that are messing with the African stuff that come to me and I really appreciate it and I really try and help where they are. And there are some great people out there that have a good eye that really, uh, have worked some African stuff that should be reached out to and I think people are reaching out to them and I think it's great that the Bull Python game now that I think a lot of people have got out. I think it's becoming more saturated and I'm hoping that it becomes more of a community affair now. You know, I hope that people can really pull together and work together rather than working in clicks and trying to, uh, you know, put people down and destroy names and try and build their business up by putting someone else down. I think that's, that's the wrong way. I think we need to come together and that's the way the community can actually be a community, a true community, you know. So, it doesn't matter if a person's buying or you're not. If they want an opinion and they want your time, try and give them your time, you know. I think that's, that's a blessing that you've got because you've got the eye and it's a blessing that they're reaching out to you. So, give them time. That's the way I see it anyway.

>> I, I think that is happening more than it used to. Um, it's just more behind the scenes. Like, you know, we, we only see what we see in comments and like, you know, the, the loud ones are always publicly in the comment section and they're the ones that are always like outvoicing the positive side because there's so many of them. There's so many negative people in comments. But really, as you know, um, you know, Justin had nothing but great things to say about you and and there's a lot of good relationships that are strong happening behind the scenes right now. Um, I just would like it to be more publicly known that we are a community. Like, we, like, again, I was talking to Justin not too long ago and I, and I just wanted his opinion about like the, the, the, the bottom feeder dwellers, like the ones who are like so just pity partied. And at the end of the day, he's like, "Dude, the ones that are serious about this have nothing to do with those people." Like the ones who are really focused, the ones who are again, serious. They're serious about this. They're not attached to negativity. They're not attached or even entertaining bottom feeding activity. It, they're too busy. Like, when you're successful, you're busy. And you, you can't get complacent in the ball python game. It's like, it's going back to like, I said, cool. You made something cool. A week goes by, it's over. You got to keep grinding. It's like, there's never a point in time where like, all right, take the year off. Never does that happen. You know what I'm saying?

>> So, whoever is thinking that's the good luck. Take the year off. Let's see what happens. Let's see how relevant you are when you come back from whatever the [ __ ] you do in a year. I don't know. But it's a lifestyle, Mills. It's a lifestyle that you never break. It's like the gym, right? Like going to the workout. You want to stay fit, but then you get to the point where you're so fit, I'm not going to work out for five years. What the [ __ ] you think is going to happen to you? You think you're going to stay? You think you're going to stay like [ __ ] Rocky? You think you're going to stay that good-looking? No, dude. Like, yeah, you can eat good, but you're going to lose stuff. Your mass will go down if you don't work out. And it's the same [ __ ] with the game, bro. Like, you don't, it's never ending. It's never ending. And people are just burnt out, bro. That's all. Uh, but again, not this is meant to happen, right? And if we think about how many people came in 2020, all right, the COVID boom, bro, this game isn't meant for that many people. It's really not. It will, but it got to gradually grow to that point. It can't just boom to that point. And that's what happens. Everything just boomed. It just went straight to the top. So, this is natural. I feel like we're to see this many people leaving. The hobby is doing this now. It's slowly kind of getting back to where it could balance. And it's still like this, don't get me wrong. But it's, it's going to be like this for another couple years until we could kind of get to like a teeter where we're like this, like it's kind of evening out, you know? Um, but again, dude, the, the strongest survive, bro. The real ones will always be around here. Doesn't matter what's happening. If you love this [ __ ] you ain't leaving. I'll tell you that right now.

>> I think every market, doesn't matter what market you look at, they all have corrections. Whether it's shares, whether it's, um, you know, cryptocurrency, whatever the market that you're into, they always have, uh, ups and peaks and troughs and then they have the correction in the marketplace and there's no difference. Why do we think that the ball python market is different? Why do we think that we can't go through, um, volatile times and great times? You know, uh, COVID happened. Everyone got loads of loans, you know, they got loads of money put in their hands and they spunked it into ball pythons and they thought that was, we're, we're going to get rich real quick. Um, then after COVID, we hit a recession. What do you think is going to happen in a recession? Money is going to be bleak. Everything's going to be tightened up. You got to pay for your essentials, the food of, uh, the roof over your head, food, >> you know, eating, those things take precedence. So, the shrinkage in the market is actually a good thing. And as you said, you know, if you surround yourself with positive people, me and, as, as you said, Justin, uh, Campbell from Ozark, me and him talk all the time. Me and Jason Amos. There's a load of good guys. Uh, and a lot of good guys here in the UK as well. But we talk all the time about the genetics. Doesn't only have to surround Bambino. We can talk about the other projects that we do. We don't be between each other. We, we sit there and look at, uh, what could, what could work with this specific gene? What could actually enhance it more? What have you got in your gene pool that can make it better? What can I put in your collection that would really pop that animal? And what could you put in my collection that would. So, if we're working together as a community more, we can produce the most beautiful animals in the world, you know.

>> 100%. And and again, we're, we're tapping into some of the other stuff that you were, uh, working with. You know, before we get into like Bang and, um, I'm not Bang, I'm sorry, Predator, uh, Dark Angel, and some of the other stuff. Um, with Bambino, I want to ask you like, if anyone out there saving some coin or they're, they already have some Bambino or they, they just can't stop thinking about it, but they're wondering like, do, do you stick with the dark stuff with Bambino? Is that the safe route? Or, or are you dabbling in the bright stuff as well? What would you say to that? You stay dark, you go bright. Can you do it all? What would be that your recommendation with Bambino?

>> Uh, I will surprise you. Albeit, I love the dark stuff. I love producing the the high contrast stuff as well. So, I've got some real high contrast stuff as well. Really, really orange bambinos. Um, so yeah, I, I, I love the full spectrum. Who couldn't love the spectrum of colors that you get from Royal Pythons? Who couldn't love from the dark blacks to the deep oranges to the, the white and blacks and like everything in between, you know? How can you not love every color on the spectrum? Because each of those morphs will have different patterns and colors that will, that will, you know, send you in awe of what they can do. And I, I love producing everything. So I will show you a spectrum of, uh, we forgot time, you know, from, you know, darker stuff to lighter stuff to orange stuff to the full spectrum. The bambino is one thing I can say with the bambino is that when you put it to a lighter gene, as it ages, it will really enhance those lighter colors. If you put it to a dark gene, it will get really a lot darker. So, it really kind of works with the spectrum of colors that you're working with. And it's, it's mad how much of a color change that this gene goes through over the years of it growing, you know, once it gets to like from, from 100 g to 300 g, the colors are totally different. It's crazy. And even the siblings from the clutch, the, the other animals, it seems to enhance the colors in them as well. But there is no hitchhiker gene in the bambino at all. The bambino is a straight gene. I did produce a clutch that I didn't expect had a hitchhiker, which was a fire clown. Then I produce a bambino with another granite type gene in it and blew me away, which has prodded me on, um, to do more of that. I didn't do that so much before, but now I will be doing more of that after seeing those results.

>> And again, after seeing Justin's Bambino stuff, and this isn't a promo shoot. I swear he hasn't paid me [ __ ] but you know my PayPal Justin. Um, I'll tell you this, looking at the, uh, he had an adult Bambino that kind of started it off for him, full-on adult, and it looked good. It looked really good. And it's really hard to find an incomplete dominant that ages well. If you have an incomplete dominant that ages really well, dude, again, just saying, I'm only talking about what what I'm seeing. I think Bambino ages very well and I haven't seen it age in bright stuff yet. And I, we might have some examples later on tonight, uh, the episode, right? You might show some stuff. All right. So, we're

>> happy with it 100%.

>> I think we have to at this point. So, but before we do all that, let's kind of talk about some of the other stuff, um, that you're really excited about. Um, let me ask you about Bolt. Did you ever work with a morph called Bolt?

>> I, I am the founder of Bolt.

>> Let's talk about Bolt. What, what's going on with Bolt? Somebody asked if it's even still being worked with. Um, I forgot. Somebody also might have thought like there was maybe a discrepancy with Bolt. I don't really know. Let's, let's, I'll hear from you. You're the guy. You're the founder. So, let's, let's talk about Bolt real quick before we get into Predator and the Dark Angel.

>> Sure. Well, um, so the boat I found in Africa at the same time as a bambino, funnily enough, and he was slightly bigger. Um, I, my, my guy because I worked with someone personally out in Africa. And just so you know, I do all my own shipments with Africa or shipping out to US or shipping out to Asia. I, I have been handling that all myself from 2000, uh, well, for 25 years, you know, from 2001. Um, so my guy out in Africa, he found this and it had a very spider-esque look to it. It was much lighter in color. The head stamp was different. The pattern was slightly different, but I said to him, "Please do me a favor. Hold the animal in your hand and move it around." I wanted to see if there was a head wobble with the animal because I could already see the color difference and I could already see the head stamp difference. Um, and then I asked him to see the belly and, and all the other things that I, I checked for and I went ahead and rolled the dice and brought the animal in. So, albeit it has a spideresque look to it, every single bolt that I produced has not got any head wobble. It's got a, a slightly different pattern on it. It's definitely a different color complex to, uh, the, the spider. And obviously there's a load of controversy that came out to say that it's the same, the same as spider. Um, and it did have a hitchhiker gene to it as well, which I managed to separate. And just for the record, I haven't sold any. I am still working on that gene. I am not ready to let any go. Uh, you know, I, I have some answers to relinquish. I have proved out one thing. The bolt is genetic. All the bolts from three generations of bolts, multiple clutches are produced. None have head wobble at all. Not one. Um, I have done the breedings to bolt to spider and got the results that it is probably on the, is definitely on the same alil because bolt to spider, uh, doesn't work. You know, they, they will create not straight white animals like spider spider. They will have white with color and pattern on them.

>> Um, but they, they will die whether in the egg or I've had one live for, I think it was about a month and a half, two, no, sorry, I had one live for three months. Um, but it did die in the end. Um, and then I did bolt to bolt as well. Um, got spiders and bolts and I think there was five eggs out of a 10 egg clutch that all went off before they hatch. So that was conclusive as well. So the super doesn't work either. Um, uh, champagne, it doesn't work. So I've got conclusive answers that it's on that complex. But the greatest thing is it looks similar but has no head wobble. You know, there's so many animals. The spot nose is one of the the nicest, uh, and most powerful color and pattern mutations that there is out there. It's still on the spider complex. It's great and it does great things. And the bolt is in the same way, the same thing. You know, it's, it's on that complex, but it's not got any deformities at all. And I've produced some combinations that are fantastic. But the greatest thing is what was the morph back in the day that, uh, brought so many people into the ball python game? Whether you were going into a pet shop or whether you were buying animals, what was the one morph that got every, everyone into the ball python game and was gamechanging as a patent mutation back 15, 20 years ago?

>> Pi. Per spider.

>> Spider.

>> Yeah.

>> Spider. Back when spiders were, uh, I know a friend of mine paid £20,000 for what he thought was a super spider back, you know, that was back, uh, I would say somewhere around 16 years ago.

>> He paid £20,000 for what he thought was a super spider and he was excited about it. Yeah.

>> Um, and people were excited about spiders until I think a guy made a post on a video and saying that no one should have spider with deformities and stuff. And I, I get it. You know, the deformities with spiders is bad, but imagine being able to produce a bumblebee or a, a spider clown looking animal without no issues at all. Eat fine, no head wobble, no inner ear problem, no nothing. Imagine that. How would that change and revolutionize the game? Would it not?

>> It wouldn't. I mean, it would. It would because again, spider was something where if it wasn't for the neurological or the [ __ ] you know, the corkscrew thing, dude, spider would be so powerful. Um, we even see people every now and again post an animal, which you could tell there's some, some sort of spider complex in there and it looks crazy, but guess what? Too spidery for me. I'm good. I don't. It's just because of the name behind it. Um, and I don't think we should stop seeking maybe another better version of Spider. It's possible, but at the end of the day, how much money did you make off Bolt again? How much?

>> I haven't sold one.

>> There you go.

>> I'm not prepared. I'm not prepared to sell one at the moment until, until I relinquish a couple more questions. I'm not going to put a gene out there in the marketplace until.

>> But I, I have got demand for Bolt. I could sell a Bolt tomorrow if I wanted to. In fact, I can sell a boat right now if I wanted to, but I'm, I'm holding back because I, I want to make sure I have the answers held. Um, don't get me wrong, if a partner and a partner of mine in the business has shown interest, then I'm, I'm talking to them. But, uh, they understand the whole situation behind it. I'm still working on it to the public. It's not available. As simple as that. You can sit there and offer me 50 grand now and it's not available to the public. Simple as that. Until I answer my questions, that's the way I do business. Sorry if it's, if it's not right for people, but I need to answer my questions first to be a proper guy with a clean conscience knowing what I'm selling to people.

>> No, I'm just, I'm just going to say sorry for the people who come to this [ __ ] show to watch drama because if you were collecting a lot of money, let's say you [ __ ] you know, were scram, you were scrambling this situation here, dude. We would have a different type of different type of [ __ ] conversation right now because again, why make so much money that has so much proven that needs to happen still? Like, it's, the waters are muddy. The waters are really muddy. So why make a profit in a muddy situation? And you did not do that. So I say, Mills, good on you, buddy. Good on you.

>> And and the beauty of it is, you know, I had to do those experiments. I want to do a couple more not to prove the head wobble or anything else to see the reaction with other things to to prove that, uh, just I just want to answer questions in my own head, you know. Um, but I can show now and I can demonstrate from a same clutch, which is brilliant. From a same clutch, from doing that spider to bolt breeding, I can demonstrate from one clutch a spider and a bolt and show you the exact differences, which I will be doing in a few weeks time, maybe on your next show. I can, I can actually show you side by side the actual differences between the two. And they, they're tremendously different to be honest with you. It's not a small difference, it's a big difference and I think when people can see these type of things, I think people will be able to appreciate it more, which is the, the work that I've got to put in as a responsible breeder. I've got to put that work in and if, if I didn't do that, then I wouldn't be able to sleep at night to be honest with you.

>> I mean, I mean, yeah, you won't, especially when people catch on. And that's what's crazy, bro, like people are catching on and these [ __ ] [ __ ] that were taking advantage of these people now, they don't know what to do now. Their backs against the wall. No. Now they're calling me telling me, MJ, what's happening? I don't know. You tell me. I'm not the one selling the [ __ ] project. Why are you selling it to people if it's not proven? You know what I'm saying? Like, why? I can understand putting it out to some people like, "Hey, let's keep this between us. Like, this is," and, and for no profit. Like, let me, let me have you work this too. Let's like, partner with somebody, that's fine. Okay. But once you start making a profit and once you start putting this in these people's head that it's a, it's a proven morph, it's this, it's this, and that, and they run with it, dude. You're [ __ ] literally [ __ ] on these people's future by doing that. I'm sorry, but you are. You really are.

>> Yeah.

>> Well, I've done enough. I've done enough research with the Bolt and the Bambino. I mean, the Bambino, it took me years to be happy to sell it because not only did I have my own questions and I wanted to see the combos and I wanted to hold a shitload back myself as well, um, because I wanted to make some great things with it to show eye candy. I think that's important as well. One thing that people don't do is have enough eye candy to show. So then when someone does invest in the project, you can support them to be able to sell whatever they're selling as well because you can show the different combinations. And I think that's an important thing when you're, uh, having a high investment project. You have to support the people around you. You have to be in contact with them. I'm constantly in contact with everyone that's purchased any Bambinos off me, which is only less than a handful of people. Um, so it's still a very exclusive club that they're in and I'm able to keep in touch with those people and show them what's new, you know, speak about the direction and show the world what's new and what the opportunities are with Bambinos, which will accelerate their sales as well. With the boat, I mean, I'm at a comfortable position right now that I am comfortable knowing that I've separated the hitchhiker gene. I know what's going on and comfortable enough to be able to sell it. I just have a couple of questions myself that I want to explore before I want to put it out to the public. And that's my own personal thing. But I'm confident with the boat. I can put, I listen, you said you wanted to travel on your last show. Come over to the UK and you can see what magic I've got going on here. You're more than welcome. We will put you up over here and it'll be a pleasure to have you over here in the UK. So you can see some of the crazy ball patterns that are going on.

>> I promise you I'm coming to the UK. UK is going to be one of my. Well, I think when I go visit Terza and and Devin in Prague, I'm definitely going to go to the UK first for sure. I got again, like I said, I got so many, so much love in the UK. So many people I'm still really good friends with, you know, Scott and then I got my buddy S. And then, you know, Gavin, you know, balls to you. You know, I don't, I don't follow him as much as I used to, but dude, that guy is the reason why I was able to incubate my first clutch of eggs. Like his YouTube channel helped me out so much. So I just always and then also one of my very first friends out of the UK was Dorset Pythons. Um, do you, do you ever heard of that name before?

>> Yeah. Y.

>> That's my boy right there, man. And so just listen, a lot of good people out of the UK. Um, you know, I can't help but to pay attention to what a lot of people are trying to say, which could fix the Bolt, uh, situation, which is of course shed testing. So, is that your, is that going to be a plan for you as well to figure out like, hey, can we just separate confirm Spider and Bolt? So these people could see it and be like, all right, well, we have, there's that, is that, is that in the process at all?

>> Yeah, that is. Yeah, we are looking to do that. Like, I, I feel like I'm, I'm getting more and more confident. I feel like, uh, especially the, the connection that you've given me with Prague Morphs as well. We'll reach out to them. Uh, I think if I can have a couple more conversations with a few of the people that are doing the shed testing stuff, um, and I can have the confidence to know that they are looking deeply enough to be able to, uh, separate the smaller genes and a couple of the shows that I've been on recently, they've, they've been looking with the shed test at the finer details, and it's given me more and more confidence. So, I am holding back some sheds now. And I think over the next couple of months, I will be sending them through. But in all honesty, MJ, I don't, I, I think that'll give, you know, the scientific, uh, background for things. But for, I, I can tell you honestly, if you come here and see these animals hand in hand and see what I produce hand in hand and hold every single bolt that I've got over here, you will have confidence in yourself 1,000% that it's a different gene. I've had a few people that I know that are very experienced in the, in the ball python game that I've come over and they've held them and they're like, "Wow, what a difference." You know, um, so I think I know the confidence.

>> For the public, I will do it.

>> For sure. Yeah, no problem. I think it is important.

>> I like high-end goods. I really do. Like, I have expensive tastes. But if I go to Facebook Marketplace and somebody has a [ __ ] uh, I don't know, a Louis Vuitton jacket that I really want, let's just say that, right? If I go to that person, that person can't show me a receipt. They can't show me like what Louis gives you when they, when you buy a jacket. If those things aren't with that jacket, jacket, I'm not going to believe it's a real jacket. Even though I'm looking at it and I'm like, you know, I could, I could spot fake [ __ ] from a mile away. But even though I could see it and it looks real, all the, it says made in Paris, everything looks great, but there's no receipt, there's no paper trail, dude, it's not going to go anywhere. Even if, even if you're like, again, if I, if I'm in your collection, Mills, and I'm staring at it and I'm like, "Dude, this looks completely different. I see it." But it shed testing doesn't show that. I don't know what to say, dude. It's not gonna have legs. It's not like you will have people, you will have people like your friends, colleagues who come and see it, but what about us? What about the ones who could invest? You got to make sure they got receipts. Dude, receipts is everything in this hobby now.

>> I think it's a good point that you make and I think it's very fair and I will do it. And the beauty of it is is that they've already done the test for Spider. So, uh, it's not going to be hard to map it against it to show that it is something different. It gave me a lot of confidence, um, with them being able to map, uh, I had a, a show with the Massai, uh, the other day and it broke a lot down for me. It really helped with understanding that they have tested other genes against the ultramale to prove certain things out and I proved it out myself that my Massai gene is compatible with ultramale. Uh, and understanding that and looking into the shed testing a bit more has helped and having this conversation, I think this is the beauty of it, having these type of conversations, hearing what your thoughts are, you know, all these type of things drive me as well to stop being in a stolen age and coming to the future as well, you know, so yeah, it's something that I got to do and I will and I, I really appreciate the advice that you've had and you know, the conversation that I had with, um, uh, Jared at the genetic canvas last week, he was talking about another gene that is compatible with, uh, ultramale as well as my Massai and they said that they were me, they were able to map that out with only a few sheds.

>> Right.

>> And they're only requesting a few sheds from the Massai from me to be able to map that out as well and I'm sure they'll be able to do the same with spider, which, which is nice, you know, and I think, uh, I can do that and I can do that very soon and I'll be able to ship some out to US very soon because I'm making a shipment of royals to US at the end of this month, beginning of next month. So, I'll send some shed tests out, uh, with that as well.

>> At the end of the day, dude, it's going to, you know, you got some non-believers in the chats. I could tell from your area that, you know, they're, they're, they're pressing you about shedding. So, do it and shut these people up. It's that simple. It's that simple. And then again, let me ask you this. If it does test to be the same as Spider, what's the next move? What do you do next?

>> Well, I mean, I, I know enough like I can see. I, I'll wait for them to to see what this, if they've got better technology because what happened when, uh, stuff happened with the DG and the Butter Lesser situation, they did more tests and they, they looked at it differently. You know, there's a lot of things that they still got to do on their side as well. So, I'm not sitting there and knocking the shed testing. I will do it. I will, I will see what's going on. I know and I'm confident enough to know the differences between the two. So, um, you know, we'll see what the shed testing comes back with. If it comes back with something negative, I'll get some more sheds and we'll send them again. I'll send them to multiple companies and see what the results are. So, let's, let's, let's be as pedantic as we can to see what the most accurate results that we can get back. You know, why not?

>> And somebody in your position, dude, when transparency is on your side, when you're so transparent, you're, you're in the best position ever because you, you're proving to people you have nothing to hide. Again, giving props to Ralph for coming on the show. Like, it would have been different if he would have cancelled or if he would have said, "Nah, I'm not going on." Well, what are you [ __ ] not coming on for? If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to hide. So once you put that [ __ ] out there to these people, like, I have nothing to [ __ ] hide. I will tell you everything. That's, that's the best power you could have when you, when you're working with dinker projects like yourself. Like, it's, that's it. Don't, don't be shady. Don't, don't hide [ __ ].

>> I mean, why would you have anything to hide? At the end of the day, this,

>> I know a couple reasons. I mean, not, not why you would, but why people here hide. I mean, dude, [ __ ] yeah. I mean, it's greed. It's [ __ ] greed. It's because people thought they had something, they didn't. And now they're like, "What do I do now? Hit up all these people and refund their money." No, because you ain't got their money to refund. You're [ __ ]. It's a bad position. That's why you shouldn't ever get yourself to that point. Like, you know what I mean? And again, if you were somebody who were selling bolts left and right and promising this [ __ ], dude, oof, this would be a dicey situation for sure.

>> Absolutely. I, I think you know, the, if we understand genetics too in a full capacity that each animal can can hold as as humans.

Do they can hold thousands of genes, right? So that's why you get discrepancies even in a clutch, like something that can look way wilder than another, and it's the same gene. It just has much more expression than another, right? So, uh, this is why the community should come together and discuss these things more. We should discuss as much as we can and throw our, uh, you know, ideas, throw our, uh, findings back and forth to actually process them. And I think genetic testing is a fantastic thing. I'm not knocking it at all. I think it's a fantastic thing, and I will be doing more of it. I will be looking into more of it. I will be speaking to the people. And I said, I really appreciate you bringing, uh, Plug Moss to my attention because that's just across the pond. Uh, and I do also ship to America, so I can ship out my shed test to America as well. Um, so I think it is important, and it, it just takes that guessing away with a lot of the morphs, and it helps people build confidence. So it's great. So I will be doing more of it. I, I just felt like previously, especially last year, it knocked my confidence with some things that happened. Yeah.

But I think my confidence is growing now again, especially after seeing what results, uh, stuff happened with the Ultram stuff, you know? I mean, again, it's science. Science isn't 100% right, but if we could get close to [ __ ] it right, which we know like shed testing is pretty [ __ ] accurate. And again, if there is a discrepancy, you shed test it again. That's what you do. And it's nobody's saying it's an easy process. Shed testing's, it's a pain in the ass. It's a whole chore. Like, I, I understand, but it's something that you have to do nowadays. Like, if it comes to making sure customers are taken care of, investors, whatever, dude. It's, it's like I said, it's the receipt to your project. You know what I mean? Regardless of how you feel of like, oh, there was that DG. No, dude. It's still proven to [ __ ] be accurate. You know what I'm saying? Um, and you just work towards it. Um, and that's it. I mean, that's that's the only way. Only because, and guess what? If you don't want to take my advice, if you think you could do this without jet testing, please let me know how that works out. I want to know how that works out for sure. Prove me wrong in five years. I want to see it.

MJ, honestly, I appreciate and I take on any advice from anyone. At the end of the day, if we don't listen to the people that, uh, are in our community and giving us advice, then what are we here for? If we don't sit there and actually absorb and take in, then we're our own enemies, aren't we? You know, we're, we're a fool, you know. So, we must take heed on what people are saying and appreciate what people are saying. And it's not, you're not trying to knock me or anything. You're trying to give me advice and say that technologies move forward, and it's great. I'm so proud of the guys that are doing shed testing because they've spent loads of money, loads of time, loads of energy to, to actually up their game, which is hard to do. I can't even imagine where they begin and how much money and time and energy that they've got into all the equipment that they've got. So, hats off to everyone that's doing the shed testing. Really, hats off to you guys.

So, here's my next thing, right? Like giving people a reason to question your motives. And, and I don't think you have any bad motives, but this individual here says, "How many other genes have been been incorrectly sold or rather sold as a different gene to inflate prices when there are actually already known genes?" What do you have to relate to this comment right here?

Um, well, there's probably been a lot. And sometimes people can make mistakes. Sometimes people, uh, don't identify the genes, don't talk to enough people, don't actually look at the genes in enough detail, look at small nuances, look at what else is out there to compare it with. Um, you got to have those conversations. And I'm lucky enough that I've got a good community around me and people come reach out to me and ask me about their genes and say if it's similar to this and that. Um, I can have my opinion, but I think if a person's working a new gene, they should work it thoroughly, take their time, and, you know, I think as a rule of thumb, you should spend a good five years working your gene and getting clutches before you even release a new gene to understand the complex properly. You know, I can show you the perfect example with a few hitchhiker stuff that I've had to break down. And, you know, it's, it's hard work because you might not see the hitchhikers in the first two, three clutches and you might think, oh, there's nothing. Um, but then you breed it with something else and there's a clear example right there. And so just take your time with it. You know, this, I think the new generation of people, uh, when I started this, there was no internet, there was no nothing. There was no all of this, you know, there was no more market. There was none of this type of stuff, you know. King Snake was just starting to come through a few years after I was doing it. It was phone calls. We used to pick up the phone, speak to everyone, deal with everything through phone calls. Internet was right at the beginning, you know.

Pause. That's another issue of this hobby. People love to go to chats and privately talk instead of [ __ ] calling the person on the phone. Dude, I don't. And this is grown ass men, too. I don't know why if you have an issue with somebody and if if their [ __ ] numbers in your phone, why can't you call them? What? Why is it so hard to get on the phone with people?

Because they're keyboard clowns. They find that they can be stronger behind a keyboard rather than addressing an issue. You know, people are too strong behind behind a keyboard plugging away, sitting there putting someone down. And, you know, what's the use of that? You know, actually have the balls to confront someone, then then you're a true man. You know, if you have the actual, uh, you know, stature to say something, say it to someone's face. Otherwise, keep your opinion to yourself, you know?

Exactly. Shut up. If you can't call the [ __ ] person and be a [ __ ] man or an adult, let's just call it an adult. Be an adult. Shut up. I'm, I'm so tired of the little pity private group chats people have to bash on other people. [ __ ] get a life, dude. Shut up. All you guys shut up. Pick up the phone, call someone if you have an issue and shut the [ __ ] up. I'm gonna leave it at that because I'm, dude, that's what this [ __ ] hobby is all about. Are little private [ __ ] talking [ __ ] little pity parties. Dude, that does nothing for you if you're not talking to the source. If you have a problem with somebody and you have not picked up the phone to talk to them yet to figure out a solution, shut up. That's it. That's all I'm going to say, dude. Stay out of my chats and shut the [ __ ] up. Call the person. Hit him up directly, dude. So sick of this pol this politics type [ __ ] dude. How does it help the hobby? How does it help people figure [ __ ] out? How? It doesn't make sense, dude. It makes no [ __ ] sense.

I think Tupac said it best. You know, a coward dies a thousand deaths. A soldier dies but once.

You know, like if you're going to say something and you've got an opinion about it, say it to the person. If you have heard a rumor or heard something, go and approach a person, say it. You know, find out the facts. Don't sit there and rumor mongering and start rumoring all around the show. Like, it makes no sense. You know, there's plenty of people as you know, uh, you get bigger in any industry, people want to try and drag you down through through whatever. Um, and that's always going to happen. It's, it's just part one and parcel of human nature, which is sickening, you know, but what you find is

a lot of the to those times, those people are actually insecure themselves.

Big time.

They're self-reflecting. They've got their own issues and they're not able to get out of their own mindset. So they got to beat someone else down because they're not comfortable in their own skin. So that's their problem, you know, and, and good luck to them, but I feel sorry for them.

It's a sad problem for reals, dude. Like, if you are, if you're more known to be in chats talking [ __ ] versus your work, dude, what are you doing? Like, what are you, what are you doing? Like, people know you for how outspoken you are versus your work. It shouldn't be like that. You should have a bunch of work under your belt and then, yeah, you're speaking on your opinion on [ __ ] and, and that will have a lot of substance behind it. When when you're just [ __ ] spewing out hate, spewing out, look what he's doing. Look what they're doing. [ __ ] peanut gallery people, dude. Shut up. Just shut up, dude. And again, this, I've been doing this for six years now. Mills, this this podcast, like I talked to you about, right? You know how many people I've seen in the chats that were watching this, wait for the episode to be over, and then they come and tell me all this stuff about the guest? Why not just say it here, dude? What are you scared about? Why do you want, why do you want to privately hit me up after I have the guest on? What do you expect me to do? Hey, let me invite you back on. This person just talked all the. No, dude. If you got a problem, just [ __ ] speak on it. Especially if you're a grown ass adult, dude. It gets us nowhere not talking about it. That's all. Listen, I'm going to calm down, but I'm just saying, not speaking about the [ __ ] issue, not addressing it with the person you have an issue with.

How do we solve it? How do you ever solve it?

Well, I don't think it's ever going to be solved. But I will say one thing, you know, harboring hatred and, uh, angry thoughts and, uh, you know, just nastiness inside yourself.

Yeah.

The only person that's going to damage is yourself. For me, I get messages, oh, did you hear this person said this? This person said that about you. This person doesn't believe this.

Um, I say, you know what?

I, when I hear that, I say, good, good. I'm glad that means they're talking about me. And guess what? That means you're working. If people are talking about you, you're putting in work. So, congrats.

Yeah. And, and you know what I say? Do you know what? That's up to them. Let them do their business. I'm busy with my work. I've got my animals to clean. I got to think about the projects what I'm going to plan for. I got to think about my breeding. I got to think about my shipments. I got to think about all these things. I got to think about the new products that I'm creating and putting out there to the market. I got to think about how I can be the best person that I can be. Let them spend their time sitting there gossiping and doing all that stuff rather than sitting there concentrating on how they should the direction of their projects and how they can further themselves.

So look, let them eat up their time on BS. I am going to spend my time on progressing my life, my animals, my future, and the people around me that care. And that's all I care about.

Yeah. And that, and to the individuals in these chats or whatever, any situation like, I hope you got all your work done. Like, I hope you're while you're typing away doing what you're doing, I hope all this work, family, I hope that's all taken care of because you must have quite some time on your hands to be sitting there chitchatting about other other people's work when you, you don't focus on your own work. You know what I'm saying? Like, again, it's beyond me, but I can't teach people to be a certain way. God, dude, do you. And if you're having a fun time being that negative person, dude, could, okay, go for it, dude. Okay, guess what? I'm good over here. I'm good over here. And let's get, let's get back to your projects, bro. I don't want to. I think I think the point was pro. Yeah. Do you have anything else you want to close off on this?

Yeah. Can I just add one thing? Don't you find MJ that those negative people hang around other negative people and they will just pull themselves down, right? Those positive people pull each other up and they're going somewhere. So that's the difference between that, that's the gradient with people that are going somewhere and people that, hey, they spend too much time worrying about what someone else is doing and being negative about people, whereas the people that go up will sit there and discuss the projects and sit there and work together and really elevate themselves and elevate other people around them. I'll leave it on that, but thank you for for bringing that up. I really appreciate it.

And I will say this too, hate is like a [ __ ] turd that floats up to the top. Hate only comes from the bottom, dude. All right, that shit-talking, it all only censes from the bottom department of what we do. So why would you want to be associated with that? Like, out of all the departments you could be in this hobby, why be a part of that? Like, what the [ __ ] And, and to like share that with fellow friends. Hey man, I'm part of this group chat. We [ __ ] on this breeder all the time. YOU LIKE, DUDE, WHAT A FLEX. ANYWAYS, WE'RE MOVING ON. ALL RIGHT. UM

All right, so check it out. So we talked Bambino Dark Angel. All right. You know what's up with Dark Angel? Because again, heard about B. I've heard about Bambino. Heard some stuff prior about Bolt. Never heard about Dark Angel until you were coming on the show. So, inform us. What's Dark Angel about?

So, Dark Angel, I got from a project that came from a blackhead that I got from Ralph. So, I was shipping in with Ralph Davis. Um, uh, some of my first shipments that I was working with, uh, the broker I was working with in the US, he was very close to Ralph, and I got a number of projects in. And when Ralph, uh, made the super blackhead, worked hard at it. Um, he, I purchased a load off him and also brought them into the UK. I was the first person to bring them into the UK. I loved the project, and I was of the fortunate situation back then to get quite a few blackheads in. Um, and I saw one blackhead female that really stood out different to me. And to take it back even further, so when Ralph was breeding, as in Ralph Davis, um, was breeding, this was way back, way back before even I was in the ball python game. I mean, Ralph has been in the ball pythons for years and years and years. Um, he only had at his arsenal when he got in a new African wolf. He had to breed it to other African wolves, which is where the red and ringer gene came from because he bred the blackhead to another dark animal. As he transpires, the red and ringer came in. Um, so he must have bred the blackhead red and ringer to another dark animal, which was another gene. So, I bred that female, uh, first season, and I was seeing some weird results, like some animals were way darker than others. Um, then I went on to breed her for a few seasons, and I kept on seeing anomalies. And then I was like, could this be the red and ringer gene? Could it be super red and ringer gene? I started picking the bones out of it, and it was only last year where I was able to, uh, start seeing results. Sorry, 2024, I was starting to see results from, uh, being able to isolate the dark angel gene because I knew I had something else, and I had to kind of cure it back to basics and take it back, back, back, and then I discovered the, the dark angel simple form, and then I've worked it up from there, and it is an astounding gene. Um, every single dark angel that's been produced so far, even in its simplest form, has iridescence running through it, and it's creating some of the darkest animals that are out there. It's a beautiful jeep.

So again, this has been a, so this was something that stems from Ralph Davis's stock, is what you're saying, correct?

Yes. So, uh, yeah, some of Ralph Davis's original African stock that he bred black to. Yes. Absolutely correct.

And you have some of that examples to show tonight as well, like, can you show us some of the dark angel stuff that kind of, um, and that we could kind of go over and break down? Would that be a part of the lineup?

Absolutely. Absolutely.

What do we start looking at these snakes? See, I think we're at that point. So, why don't we, what do you want to start off with? Should we just start with Dark Angel? Do you want to go get a Dark Angel example and show off some stuff? And I'll, I'll just say hi to the people in the chats real quick.

I can, I mean, it's up to you. We can start off with some bambino stuff. We can start off with dark angel stuff. Whatever you prefer, my friend.

You, you start off. You surprise us. Go get something.

Okay. All right. Let me start off with a bang.

Uh, and then we can go from there, and then we can take it to some of the color pallets that we talked about. So, let me, let me start off with that.

30, like 30 seconds. All right. All right. While we wait, guys, listen. Again, I just want to kind of address me getting so worked up. I just, I don't understand why we could ever be united or grow as a hobby if we don't [ __ ] just individually, individually talk to each other. Um, and, and like as of like a fellow keeper looking out as one another. Like, I would hope if I was working with something that my friends or somebody were like, "Dude, I don't know." That they would call me and tell me, you know, or, or whatever. Somebody who has been following me has like a, a um, a thought of what you're working with might not be what it is. Dude, what harm is it to reach out to that person and be like, "Yo, are you considering this? Are you considering that?" I mean, that's the direction this hobby should be heading is like, "Dude, pick up the [ __ ] phone or at least directly hit them up. I know the phone isn't so popular now in 2026, but dude, message the person, you know, and, and again, this is just one of many, many, many examples, guys. I don't want, I don't want people to think that this example is to direct the person I was talking to in the chats. And I have nothing against Grant, you know. I'm just saying like, if there's an issue with somebody I have on the show, don't wait to tell me after the show what, what do you want me to do? You know what I'm saying? Whatever you have to tell me, you better tell me. Especially if you know I'm bringing the person on, you should tell me before the show starts. Or if you're in the chats, if you want to know something, ask the [ __ ] question. What are you, what are you scared about? And again, this is just one of many examples I'm trying to explain. Okay? And I, I'm just over it. I'm over the whole like, well, yeah, we talk about this in the group. Good for [ __ ] you guys, dude. Are you talking to the person directly? No. Then shut up. I don't want to hear it. Unless you went to that person, you had a conversation, it didn't work out. Okay, I get it. Like, hey, yeah, I tried talking to that person. He was mean. Okay, I get it. But if you're not doing that, shut up. All right, back to, back to show programming here. All right, here we go. What do we got for us, bro?

We spoke about, um, the animal that Justin first got, so I thought it would be appropriate to to bring the sibling out, you know. All right, I'm gonna give you a big screen so people can see it. So, go ahead.

So, this is the, the animal that, uh, Justin from Ozark, this is the brother to the animal. So, can you guys see that? Is that clear?

Yeah, that looks good. Yeah, as long as you just kind of keep it. No, go over to the right more. Right. No, go towards you.

There we go. Right there. That's good. That's good. That's good. That's good right there.

Okay. Um, can you turn the light on, please? Okay. So, this is a Bambino hurricane. And that's it. Just a simple two gene combination. Uh, sorry, there. I've just moved around the the stand a bit too much. It's, it's come loose. So, KP's there in the background just trying to tighten it. I'm sorry about this, MJ. Technical hitch. Okay, so this is a Bambino hurricane, and that's it. Just a two gene simple combo. Just hold it for a second. Turn the light.

Okay. So, I'm sorry. That's a bambino. What again?

Hurricane.

That looks exactly like what Justin had at his table. Okay. Keep going.

Yeah. So, so this is, this is the, the sibling to, um, to his one. But if you see this as a baby, which I can show you later on, you can see that, uh, this was much darker as a baby. And now as it's grown, the colors have really come through. They've changed. But look at those. That's what I call the space invaders. Those crazy patterns. And this is why Bambino is great because it's so expressive just on its own. And this is a simple two gene combo, and it can be this explosive. And I reckon it's explosive. You know, some of the telltale traits are the, the dorsal pattern is really crazy, but the side pattern, I mean, that is so busted up. It's such a fight. It's beautiful in my opinion.

Can you bring the camera back just a little bit just so we could see more? We're see. Yeah, just a little. Yeah, there you go. That's perfect. All right.

Yeah. Okay. Sorry.

No, you're okay. You're okay. So, go ahead and continue. Yeah. Go and break down.

So, can you see all the?

Yeah, we can see it. Good.

How, how, how broken the pattern is. It's crazy. And this animal started off quite dark, and it's really lightened up in color. I suppose that's the hurricane playing in it. The dorsal is really striped up, but it's, it's also ditty as well, and it's got some breaks in it, like the little holes in the in the dorsal as well. But this is the, the sibling boy to Justin from Ozark's clutch.

That's awesome.

Awesome.

But it's crazy how it fights with the hurricane. Hurricane's a really strong.

Yeah. It's a real hurricane's a [ __ ] pretty dominant gene. You know what I'm saying? So for, for, for Bambino to throw this much hurricane off a little bit, but still keep the pattern looking neat and colors are great. Um, yeah, I think this is like a solid concrete foundation right here for, uh, uh, any project to be honest.

Yeah, absolutely.

All right, what do you got next?

I'll show you this one. I'll show you it like following from this one. I'll show you it, uh, it's sun.

All right.

Um, let me just grab it. You're good.

All right. He's going to go get that other snake. Um, I'm curious to see what the dark angel looks like, to be honest. You know, I don't, I like dark stuff a lot. So, we'll see. Man, listen. If you guys are watching, man, we've had just shy of 70 people, but if you're part of the 50 people watching, smash that like button, dude. Especially if you are enjoying this episode. Um, yeah, dude. Hit that like button. And if you haven't subscribed already, hit that subscribe button. That does a lot more for the channel than you think. Those two small simple things, like and if you subscribe, dude, let's put the reptile game on the on the map out there, guys. Let's go day by day. Appreciate the love and support. You guys are awesome. Um, and then also, dude, let me know what you guys are feeling the most out of each snake he's going to break down and show us. And I, I welcome any feedback. Like, what are your guys' opinions on the bambino, all the stuff? Don't be shy in the chats, man. It's all good. I'm not gonna say you're safe, but you're welcome to talk. Say it. You know what I'm saying? All right, here we go. He's back. All right. What do we got here, buddy?

Okay. So, this is just one layer on top. So, you were saying about contrast and bringing in those lighter color genes as well. So, this is just, this is the sun to that boy. Um, but back to the same mom. This is just with enti on top. And look how the pattern is, is even more crazier, you know? There's even more of a fight with the enti on top. So, it's really wild going on with this stuff and how, how it's continually changing with just simple morphs on top. You don't need to layer it with loads of stuff to make it go wild. It is quite a wild gene in itself and it really disrupts the color and pattern off of, you know, very simple mutations, but very dominant mutations. Eni's a very dominant mutation. Hurricane's a very dominant mutation, but it's changed the whole thing. And look at the colors, the orange. You see this in six months, this thing will be really, really vibrant orange. Those oranges will come through tenfold more.

Yeah, that looks great. So again, that's bambino enti.

Bambino enti hurricane.

Hurricane. Okay. Wow. So, yeah, I mean, we all know enti cleans it up. Um.

We all know that the homie Mills feeds the snakes. That's good to know. Um.

Well, here we go. I better, I better take that back before it drops some some more bombs. Hold on. Yes, it's about to go. Oh, boy.

I would have just let it roll and just like, you know what? Here we're already here, guys. Uh, look at that. I hope someone's not enjoying their yogurt or their [ __ ] uh, their bagel right now. Taking a bite of that cream cheese at everything bagel and you just see that urate come out. I've been there.

Timing. If you ever ask for timing, hey, they always say in TV or podcast as I say now, never work with children and animals. E, I know why.

This is the real. This ain't Hollywood. This is the real deal right here. Things.

For sure. 100%.

Oh, yeah. Even disinfects. What a guy.

And then let me bring up, uh, a real showstopper.

All right. My question is, what do you use to disinfect? What's your disinfectant, uh, choice method here?

Um, I use F10 for just daily disinfectant.

Nice.

Um, and then like for deep disinfectant, I have a few different products as well, but like, there is some really good deep disinfectant products as well.

Someone as someone asked if your, uh, if your tripod's from T-Moon, if they could get a link. Yeah, of course. No problem. I'll send, as long as, as long as it's a paid link.

It came with a free lunch bill. Oh [ __ ] This is great. What's crazy is I got all this work to do after this episode. Normally when I do a show, it's like, "All right, time to eat dinner, go to bed." But nope, got lots to do. I still like it. Oh, yeah. I want more feedback. Should I do more morning shows? Do you guys like these 9:00 AM slots? Because I could even bring people in the country in the morning. I feel like I like morning shows to be honest. But yeah, man.

Let's hit the like button. Let's get the likes up. This episode deserves likes, I feel like, for sure. So, shout out to Dicky Foster. What a name. Dicky Foster. Yeah.

All right.

What's next? So, this is one of my, uh, main breeders, and this is the, yeah, this is the first bambino clown that I produced, and I think they're, they're absolutely wild. Sorry, let me just wipe down this table. This match, should I say, get all that P from it. Okay, there we go. Okay, now this is red. Like it's totally changed it. So, is the camera okay?

Uh, bring it down more. Like the snake. Like, bring it down. No, no, no, no. The, the snake. Good. Yeah, there we go. Now, bring it over a little bit more to the, to your right. Now, now down a little bit more. Right there. That's perfect. Right there. Right there. That's good.

Okay, bring it down. So, that is, this is, uh, bambino blackhead clown red and ringer.

Wow. Okay.

So, I mean, have you seen so much disruption on a clown like that fat solid back? That pattern is totally obliterated. You know.

How old is this snake, though? How old does this snake? This snake is 2024.

Wow. Okay. All right.

Yeah. So, um.

Looks good, man. I mean, we all know how brown clowns can get. Like, we know the direction they could take, and the fact that it's holding this much.

Yeah. And it's with blackhead as well. So, it's, it's with a dark color mutation on top of another dark color mutation because bambino itself is a dark color mutation. So, it's a color and pattern morph, the bambino itself, but the head's totally washed like that. I like.

Those eyes.

It's crazy the pattern as well.

Are those green eyes like enti eyes? Am I tripping? Yeah, they're like eyes, huh? Well.

That's what I was going to get there. There is a chance that there from the breeding that there could be enti in this, but both the siblings have enti. This one is slightly lighter in color. There's a possibility of enti in this. And there's also a possibility, but I'm not sure. I've just got to breed this one more that there could be, um, the hitchhiker gene that came from the asteroid, but I don't think it is because the pattern's not as blocky. Uh, the asteroid really blocks things up. But that's not a hitchhiker from the bambino gene would have been, but I don't think it's in this. But again, I'm not releasing any heck clowns that at the moment anyway. So, only stuff that I'm sure of and only stuff that I've, I've produced that I know is just heads and straight bambinos and stuff like that. But yeah, this is my own breed of male.

What would be crazy is like, let's say this does have enti in it. Then that means this snake would be even crazier if it didn't have enti.

I have got a darker version to this. His siblings much darker, which definitely doesn't have enti in it. Um, but he's in shed. Oh, he's in shed. [ __ ]

Yeah, but he's not in deep shed. I can bring him up. You can see how darker he is.

Yeah, I'm curious. Just bring it real quick, and then, and then let's go. We only have like nine more minutes, so let's go to the next morph after that one. Let's, let's, let's see the one that that doesn't have the enti or pasta entry, whatever the we're talking about. Sorry.

Okay. Shall I show them side by side or?

Yeah, sure. Yeah. Yeah, show them by side.

Okay, I'm going to leave this one here. I'm going to grab that one. One second. Oh, no, you don't.

It's gone. It's gone.

It's gone. It's really trying to go. Um, yeah. Shout out to Wolfy. Hey, Wolfie. I won't be going in March, dude. No Tinley for me. I, I don't think I'm going to Tinley till probably October. I, you know, if, if I do. But yeah, man. Have fun at March. Whoever's going into. I can't believe March is already almost here. It's crazy.

Dude, dude, dude.

All right.

All right. Well, you can see how much darker that is. And this one definitely doesn't have enti, but it still has green eyes, which is unusual.

Oh, weird. Yeah, weird. But it definitely doesn't have enti. But you can see the, the patterns pretty, pretty much the same when you lay them next to each other.

Just darker.

It's just darker. Yeah. Just a shade darker.

They're clutch mates.

They're clutch mates. Yeah. That could be polygenism as well. You know.

How do you know for sure does have enti then if you haven't tested it? Like, how do you know for for certain?

What? The lighter one doesn't have enti.

No. No. No. How do you? You showed the darker one and you said the darker. You said the one that is in shed for sure doesn't have enti. I'm wondering how do you know that for sure if they're clutch mates and they have, and they both, and they both have green eyes.

Because this one's bred.

What do you mean that one's bred? Oh, it's bred. Oh.

Got it. Okay, that makes sense.

This one, this one hasn't bred yet. So, I'm gonna start to put him into breeding. But this, this big boy over here, he's, he's out of clutch, so I know he's not enti.

Okay. Boom. That answers that question. Cool. Awesome. Yeah, I see a darker shade. Uh, the, the eyes though, man. I, I could have always sworn the green eyes was a good indicator of enti, but I've also been fooled like that before. I've also produced stuff that thought was enti because of the eyes. So, I'm glad you, glad you showed this.

Yeah. Yeah. It is crazy. When I saw the eyes, I was, I was certain that they must both be enti, but like, uh, you know, the proof is in the pudding, you know.

Yeah. 100%. All right, let's go to the next one.

Okay. Another bambino or you want to move to the dark angel? Did you say we had nine minutes left for the show or nine minutes for bambino stuff?

I got like six minutes and then my, it's my cut off time. So, we got, we got like six minutes. Yeah. So.

Let me show some Dark Angel then. Hey.

Okay. We put these back real quick and I'll grab a straight Dark Angel and then I'll show you the masterpiece at the end.

Yeah. I'm coming off a Reptile Super Show. My room is so dirty right now. I got, I'm just got at least a good five hours of trap chores. Yeah. Then the gym. The grind never stops. It just never, never stops. Especially with kids. Oh my god. Nobody told me to have kids, but love it. Shout out to everyone who's having a good day out there or good evening. I know. I got some UK trappers in the building. Hope you guys are having a good night. Um, and, you know, got the homie in Sweden. Lucid Boreals. Hope you're doing all right, my guy. Anyone else globally tapped in? Thank you so much. Appreciate you keeping Trap Talk global. Coolest reptile network in the world. It's not the town. It's not the city. It's not the the Providence. It's the world. Global. You know what I'm saying? Because you guys appreciate it. And again, um, dude, listen, exclusive content. Join my Patreon. First link description below. Might as well give you guys some shout outs right now. Shout out to the sponsor. I do want to say again, shout out to Frogmors. I should have shout out Progress in the beginning, but I'm a little unorganized right now, like I said. But Progors, shout out to them. Um, and the other sponsors, find all the link in description below. You guys are awesome. Um, yeah, a lot of big things that come with me and Progs for sure. Um, and again, oh, dude, anyone tapped in from UK in Europe, if you're watching and you want to come on this show, dude, hit me up. I, I think I might start a new Europe series again. I really do because I think Europe's that cracking. I really, I really do. But hit me up. I got to know you [ __ ] want to come on. So, reach out to me. And yeah, here we. We got dark angel stuff now or what's this here?

This is straight dark angel. So, starting from the beginning. So, you can see I've been able to isolate the gene. It's quite dark. It's got good iridescence to it. I don't know if the light's picking that up. Um, the pattern's more like saddles. Odd keyhole here and there, but then the back pattern, it's got loads of marks down the back, keys, donuts, dots, very different. So, you know, when I said like some subtle genes can produce amazing things, this doesn't look that outstanding. And I can see why Ralph Davis would like, uh, see this as something not to understand him, but beautiful greens in the flaming, but you can definitely see that it's a, a pattern mutation, you know.

Yeah, very subtle, but you could see it like if you're looking, you know, this is a clean looking animal. Um, and it's, it's only one gene, right? There's, there's nothing else influencing this or.

Um, this is head for massi, but yeah, there's nothing much else, uh, influencing it at all. Yeah, it's, it's just.

For what? Head for what? I'm sorry, Mills.

Massi.

What the hell is Massi?

Massi is one, a new another new gene of mine that I haven't released to the public as yet. It is, um, basically, uh, like a, it's on the ultram complex, but I got it out of Africa. I called it Masai because the color complex in between the salad, uh, saddles, like the negative area reminded me of the sand in the Masai tribe when I went to to visit the the Massai in Africa.

Wow, that's neat. So you got a, you got a untapped recessive here that we're, Mills. Obviously, we need a part two, buddy. That's all I got to say.

Let me show you the show piece with the dark angel, and then I know you got.

But yeah, we need a part two, part three. I'm showing you the other untapped genes as well as all the new stuff that I'm working with. There's like probably about another, I don't know, 20 genes that I've not proven up that I just wrote. Well, by the time.

By the time we get to part three, I should, that should be in person. Hopefully, I'll be in UK by then. So.

Holy [ __ ] Look at this thing. Now we're talking, dude. What the [ __ ] Look at this thing. Whoa. Holy cow. Oh my.

You see the iridescence on that as well?

Oh my god.

And look at the crazy face. It's like a white lip python. Yeah, I was going to say it looks like a white lip. Looks like, looks like a D. Alberts. And look at the belly, too. Wow. Let me see the. Come over to the right. To the right a little bit. To the right. You're right.

There we go. More. More. More. More. More. More. Right there. Right there. Right there. Right there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Perfect. OH MY GOD. LOOK AT THE [ __ ] HEAD. Look at the eyes, dude.

That's my favorite snake. Uh, dude. Wow.

Yeah. The dark angel's going to take off, dude.

That, I mean.

One person has it in the states at the moment, and that's Jenna TJ Hutch. She came over here to the UK to see my collection, and she had already fallen in love with the, with the Dark Angel before she came over, but when she saw everything in person, she was just blown away.

That TJ Hutch, who was that name you said?

Uh, Jen from TJ Hutch.

Jen. All right, Jen, if you're out there listening, holler at your boy. I got to talk to you. That is honestly, bro, I get so happy when I get excited off a ball python because it just doesn't happen as much. Like, I love [ __ ] don't get me wrong, but this reminds me like looking at a GHI or super ghi for the first time. Like, this is why I love ball pythons, bro. Look at that snake, dude.

I'm pure black eyes.

If you can make more of these, you're going to be a [ __ ] rich man.

Well, now that's why I take things back and I take things step by step. Now I can make loads more of these. Like, I, I can make it with a subtle pattern on the side. I love it that it's just, it's just what, what I work for, you know, is making these crazy things that the world hasn't seen. I love it. And, and the iridescence on this piece when you see it outside in the light, in the true light, this is so iridescent. It pops, you know, purples, blues, all the different color under the sun. I just don't think it's coming through on the camera at the moment. I haven't got enough lighting in here.

Another thing, too, like it looks this amazing and it's, it has like a light on it. Like this isn't, dude, the camera's not doing this snake any justice right now. And it's still amazing looking. Like, I, dude, I'm, I'm blown away right now. I really am. Wow. What a wrap up this episode, dude. That was great. That was great.

Yeah.

I can't get over that head.

Wow. Well, Mill.

Dude, this was an awesome episode. I, I didn't know what my expectations were. You know, I just was, I just wanted to hear you out. And dude, I love this episode. This was great. Um, at the end of the day, man. Yeah. You know, your, your, your hill of proven, uh, having to prove a lot of your [ __ ] is is pretty big, but you're climbing it and you're putting in the work after what I just saw right now. Hey, just keep doing what you're doing, buddy. That's all I got to say. Keep doing what you're doing. 25 years deep and it's showing. Like, I think you should just keep doing Mills, and we'll, we'll do a part two for sure. We'll revisit a lot more stuff that we didn't even get to discuss. Um, and I'm going to make it out to the UK, man. I may not make it out this year, but promise you it's going to happen pretty soon. You, UK's been on my map for a while now. So, dude, great episode. Before we let you go, where can people reach out to you? Anyone who, who's wondering how they could contact you, why don't you let everyone know how they can reach you, Mills?

Well, Reptopit, um, I think it's Repit one on Instagram. I'm on Instagram. I'm on Facebook. Come on YouTube. If you type in, uh, Mills Reptile Pit, it should come up with with all my social media. Um, yeah, you know, there's plenty of ways. Just, just reach out to me and I'm, I'm here, you know.

Yeah, man. Listen, guys, if you're not already following Mills, um, you know, the, uh, Reptile Pit one on IG, please head over to the link in description below, and I'm looking forward to bringing you on for round two. It's definitely going to happen. We'll be in touch. But guys, for now, give him a follow and give it up. It's a wrap for Mills the reptile pit. Ladies and gentlemen.

UK.

Thank you, MJ. Really appreciate it.

Hey, dude. Keep doing big things. Appreciate you.

Thank you. Thanks for everyone watching as well.

All right. Have a good night.

Thank you. You too. Thank you. Thank you.

Good episode, man. I like, listen, if you could, if you could find ways to be excited about the ball python game. Uh, yeah, this is, this gets me excited. And, uh, a lot of other things that get me excited about the ball python game, like this weekend at the Reptile Super Show. But again, man, tap in with Mills. Um, anyone in the UK, uh, who's curious about these projects, tap in with Mills. The guy seems very, just open to speak to people. So, um, yeah, man. Shout out to Mills. Shout out to the Reptop. Hit one. If this is your first time listening, before you leave, hit that like button. I think this episode deserves all the likes it could get, man. There were 70 people. I should get at least 70 likes. Come on. Uh, appreciate all the love and support. And again, shout out to all my sponsors. Shout out to Prog Morphs. Uh, one of the best doing out of Europe right now. Um, a lot of things happening right now as far as what they have going on with their new shed testing company. So, make sure you give them a follow, Prog Morphs. Um, and go to their website, progmorphs.com. And again, shout out to Morph Market shipping. They're number one in the in the game. Morph Market's platform is unbeaten, dude. And it's, it's proven. So, make your life easy. Buy your snakes on Morph Market and ship on Morph Market. Thank you so much, Morph Market, and the entire, uh, Morph Market team. Shout out to Clutch, number one organization app in the game. If you're coming to the Ball Python game, stay organized, stay fresh, stay ahead of the game. Go with Clutch. You won't regret it. And of course, shout out to the big dog. One of my biggest inspirations for sure, just overall how to be a good human in life, Justin from Kenova Reptiles. Find all the links description below. And again, shout out to THE REPTILE SUPER SHOW. Still coming off a high off the Reptile Super Show, man. But guess what? Your boy has lots to do. All these need to be done. That needs to be done. That needs to be done. Ball python. Oh, dude. Listen, I don't even know why I'm here right now. I got to go. Listen, you guys are beautiful. See you guys on the next one on Tree Tuesday. And again, appreciate all the love and support. Follow me on Instagram, trap talk619, and I'll see you at the top.

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