DEBATE gets heated between Muslim & Marquett

I'm going to start this discussion with a review of the Arab Islamic slave trade. The Transahharin, Red Sea, and Indian Ocean slave trades I collectively call the Arab Muslim slave trade. And they spanned more than 12 centuries from the rise of the Umayad Caliphate in the mid-600s or 7th century to the twilight of the Ottoman Empire in the early 1900s. This enterprise resulted in the forced movement of about 20 million Africans. The Arabs of North Africa and the Middle East kept this butchery and violence persistent for about 1,300 years.

Some of you may be astounded to know it went on that long, yet you've not heard of it. The Arab Muslims did not breed enslaved Africans like the Neanderthals. Instead, they made them eunuchs, which means that they could not reproduce because, in some cases, both their phallus and their scrotum had been removed through a crude surgery. And so, instead, they had to constantly recruit Africans forced into enslavement.

By the 9th century, the trade networks had crystallized into two primary routes: the Transaharan routes linking West African empires such as Ghana, Mali, and Songhai to the Mediterranean coast, and the other one being the Indian Ocean and Red Sea routes transporting captives from the East coast of Africa, and this was historically referred to as the Zanj, and also taking Africans from the Horn of Africa, specifically Ethiopia, and sending them to Arabia, Yemen.

This knowledge is useful today. For example, you'll hear the Habashan, I really love the Habasha. I visit Ethiopia frequently. You'll hear them say, "Oh, we were never slaves." Ah, not quite. And even today, though legally and formally, the slave trade that is conducted by the Arab Muslims has stopped. It still goes on, right? Just under a different name. You can Google and see videos of Saudis hanging Ethiopian maids upside down and beating them. So, this has not quite stopped.

Anyways, under the Rasulid dynasty of Yemen, which flourished between the 14th and 15th centuries, the trade in African captives reached highly organized heights with the port of Aden serving as a primary tax and distribution hub. Yes, that's right. That means governments condoned this and engaged in international trade of Africans the same way we trade oil today, except a bit more brutal. The market differentiated sharply between ordinary physical laborers and specialized captives. While an ordinary field or domestic maid commanded a standard market price, a healthy, successfully castrated male slave could command five times that value. This premium was directly tied to the immense risk of the physical transformation required to produce eunuchs.

Marquette, what do you mean? Why is it so valuable to have a black male with no penis and no scrotum? That sounds strange. Who would want to do such a cruel, hateful, vicious thing? The Arabs and the Muslims, especially during this time, would have harems, which is to say collections of women, be those concubines, female family members, wives, what have you. And they thought it mighty clever to have a eunuch guard them, a male who theoretically could not engage in penetration, and so he was supposedly more trustworthy. But it's deeper than that. No doubt there has historically been an obsession with the black male phallus.

Young African boys, typically between the age of 8 and 12, were subjected to systematic castration. This age bracket was deliberately targeted. Performing the procedure before puberty ensured the preservation of high-pitched voices and prevented the development of secondary male sex characteristics such as facial hair and a broad frame. The Arabs and the Muslims used two primary methods of mutilating black children, which resulted in two distinct deformities.

The partial castration. This procedure involved the surgical removal or crushing of the testicles, leaving the phallus intact. The beastly nature of the Arab and the unholy acts of the Muslim. There's also the other method of castration called total castration, the majub. This evil procedure involved the complete excision of both the penis and the scrotum close to the pubic bone. This was what the Arabs and the Muslims requested most. They highly valued this particular type of mutilation as it guaranteed absolute sterility and rendered the individual physically incapable of penetrative sexual acts, making them ideal guards for the private quarters, harems of the ruling elite.

The surgical, and listen to me here when I tell you this part, this is particularly disturbing. If you think that Islam is for the blacks, you tell me what you think after this. The surgical process was brutal and primitive. The subject was typically secured to a table. Now, remember, when we say subject, we're talking about the 8-year-old black boy. Yes. Secured to a table, and the external genitalia were sliced off in a single stroke using a razor-sharp blade or shears. Now, you can imagine there was no local anesthesia to stem the massive hemorrhaging. The open wound was immediately treated with boiling oil. That sounds like a good idea. Or cauterized with red-hot irons. Yes, they're going to burn your flesh after they've just cut it from your body.

In cases of total castration, a wooden or metal peg or iron nail was inserted directly into the severed urethra to prevent the canal from fusing shut as the scar tissue contracted. The young boy was then buried in dry sand up to his chest for several days to apply pressure to the wound and prevent movement, with only minimal water allowed to avoid premature urination before the wound began to heal. Are you hearing me? Are you hearing me?

The mortality rate of this procedure was catastrophic. Scholars estimated that 90% of boys subjected to total castration died from blood loss, septic shock, or urinary tract infections within weeks of the mutilation. This extreme mortality rate explains the astronomical market price of surviving eunuchs. A single surviving mushbub represented the investment of up to 10 lives lost. Which is to say, the Arabs, the Muslims would kill 10 black boys to have one survive in this broken, deformed way. Huh?

As you might imagine, those who survived suffered great trauma and underwent profound physiological and psychological changes. Black man and woman, everywhere you go, you are under attack. Do you have a strategy made just for you because it seems as though you are targeted? No. The transatlantic slave trade, that was the white Christians came for you. The Arab Muslim slave trade, that was the Middle Easterners came for you. You have no friends. The black people are under attack, but the black man, our black power, has always been the chief target. They've tried to keep us as the servant class. A black eunuch could not father a child. He could not establish a competing dynasty or attempt to pass down wealth or titles to his heirs, or he would have no heirs. They don't want us reproducing, and it occurs in many ways. Today, they have Planned Parenthood. Today, New York robs the life from the black woman's body more often than her body gives birth.

And for those of you Muslims listening, do know that in your holy cities of Mecca and Medina, from the 1600s to the 1800s, there was a chief black eunuch, yes, that's what they called them. And that lets you know that this evil was condoned in Islam and even condoned in your holiest sites. What was the scope of this evil? Approximately 1,300 years. It started from the 7th century and went all the way into the 20th century. Major destinations for enslaved blacks, mutilated blacks: Egypt, Arabs have taken it over. Arabia, Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Iran, Ottoman Empire, North Africa.

Anyways, it looks like someone had their hand up. Cole. Yeah, go ahead. >> Yeah, here. I just wanted to shed light. I'm over here in Canada, um, currently studying university and um in finance in general. I just want to point out that if you honestly believe that most of these things happening, especially for Arab people, is in the past and most of them forget about it. It is honestly no different what you see, you know, growing up in the South in America during like certain uh these white Christians that you see online. They do the same thing. The difference is that it's unchecked. You know, in America or in Canada, in the Western world, we've spoken about these things. They have never even spoken about any of these things and they're all okay with it. I've seen it all the time. They've are so blatant about it. I I don't understand. It's almost like they're okay with it in their culture. It's almost like something to uphold and talk about. It's almost like verbally dominate people. It's It's kind of disgusting. So, I just wanted to point out that this is happening right now and your kids are going to grow up speaking to these people and going through the same thing that you probably went through talking to some racist white people in the South. Fair enough. No objections there. I'm going to carry on now. If anyone else has anything else to say, we'll uh let you in on this uh next break. And thank you for sharing that, Cole.

So, one thing that I think you all should take note of is that precisely when this uh slave trading started. You see, some of you may think that it's just an ex like something humans do. Humans enslave humans. But I would have to challenge you to think more deeply. Note that this enslavement and mutilation of black people started shortly after the rise of Islam in the 7th century. It continued for 1,300 years. And if you think that the Arabs are, you know, not so bad, then I would ask you about the fact that in Saudi Arabia, they didn't abolish legal slavery until 1962. In Oman, they didn't abolish legal slavery until 1970. Mauritania did not abolish legal slavery until 1981. And there are meaningful arguments to be made that in all of the aforementioned locations, it carries on to this day in various forms. The scope of this enslavement was quite significant. The nature of it was hellish, to say the least. About 20 million Africans ripped from the continent only to be sold into an experience that you and I could never imagine. The humanity of the black people is no more respected today than in centuries past. And reading the history, we find that those who write about us try to soften the reality and suggest that castrated Africans held some meaningful positions while at the same time being a slave. You're telling me that the Arab man chops off your scrotum and your penis, and there's there's some kind of goodness that comes out of it? It's laughable. And that's the reason that I bring this history to you because I've studied the history, and the scholars play this game trying to describe how black eunuchs had meaningful positions. We have to stop our enemies telling our stories and most importantly, hiding their crimes. Is the chief aim of the Arabs and the whites is to hide their crimes. I wrote a guide for the black human called The Black Code. Every melanated person must have it. You can get it at skoll.com. S-K-O-L-L dot com. Marquette mqtclassroom. The reason I wrote it is because you think that it's coincidental that the whites enslaved Africans in mass. The Arabs enslaved Africans in mass. The whole planet Earth conspires against you. They talk about the genocide in Gaza. Never mention the genocide in Darfur in Sudan. You think that all this stuff is coincidental? No, sir. I yield the floor for any comments, questions, thoughts on this topic, which is Islam is not a religion for blacks. It is, in fact, a religion that enslaved blacks by the millions for over a thousand years. It is the religion that did that because this started shortly after Islam.

>> I wanted to ask you about certain black people that be fallen that tend to follow these Abrahamic religions, especially in Islam. I've realized that certain groups, especially Somalis around where I grew up, tend to have these like mixed identity of being black and not being black. And they tend to weaponize it when it benefits them and to demean other black people, um, to like be on the favor, like a favorable side of, um, you know, Arabs or Muslims. I realized that a lot of them tend to center themselves around Arab people, even though that Arab people seem as lesser than. It's kind of disgusting. Would you recommend, um, operating around them similar how you may operate around, um, a, you know, a black Christian in the South that tends to kiss the ass of some white pastor or like MAGA in general? >> Brilliant question. In The Black Code, I specifically, firstly, define what it is to be black, which is an important thing. Knowing who is in the in-group and who is not in the in-group. That's number one. Then, number two, I talk about how to operate behind enemy lines. And black people are often behind enemy lines, especially in the United States of America because they're a minority, right? So mostly you're going to be, uh, of the few. And in as much as that's the case, there are specific ways to conduct yourself. And knowing who your friends are and who your friends are not is really important. I agree with you wholeheartedly. It is very common in the Somali community that they would like to be black when it's convenient and so often claim that they are mixed with Arab blood, not realizing that the Arabs call them abid. But the comedy is that the Somali call other blacks abid or slave. So in as much as that's the case, yeah, you'd have to treat them in the exact same way because they are not of your kind. In fact, they are the enemy, and they are more dangerous than the enemy because they are essentially traitors. I have, I actually have a question. >> Sure. >> Because I kind of want to give more of a realization to, I don't know if most of the people that watch you are older or younger, but me being younger, I know sometimes you may have younger people, um, speak to you. I remember you talking to like some Nigerian kid that was talking about like, um, I think he was from like London or England and he was talking about like Charlie Kirk or whatever this stuff. So, I know you have some young fans. Um, but I I would assume most of them are older. I I kind of want to give you more of a picture of what a lot of younger, uh, black people are going through. I don't know much about the, what the women are going through, but mostly the men. Um, a lot of the stuff that you may be dealing with before, let's say when you were older, it hasn't really changed. If anything, it it kind of just like mutated to something else. Like it it's honestly so weird. I want to tell you something more about in Canada. You would assume that I, I know a lot of people in America assume that, you know, let's say if there was less white people and there's more people of color, you would assume the racism would drop. It actually doesn't. Every new wave of immigrants that come into the country carries their own little bit of like racism towards black people. It's incredible. I've never seen this in my life. Like every different ethnic group, even though we have nothing to do with them, there's no wars between these countries, between black people and, I don't know, let's say like Egyptians or whatever, any of these stuff. There's barely any history they can really trace back. They always have this unique little like insults to black people. It's crazy. Like I never seen so many people resonate with the things they hear coming out from like white supremacists in the South. Like they truly believe this stuff. And like I honestly can't believe it. It's crazy. Like you would honestly think it would stop, but it it hasn't. Now they're all doing like these code words. I don't know if you guys remember what was going on with the the whole people talking about like robots and they were calling like robots, um, what were they calling them? Like wirebacks and all this weird stuff. You understand that wireback and silverback, like they just changed the words. It's it's literally just insults towards black people, but they changed it so it's towards like AI and robots. Like and everyone was okay with this. Like they would say this out loud in class, like no one realized. So I just want to tell you that nothing really changed. It's still here. It's it's honestly insane. It's it's crazy. I can't say that I thought things would change or expected them to. In fact, this is something I've spoken on before. In the United States, similar to Canada, when you bring these immigrants in, they're coming from places that are far more homogeneous than the United States. And in some cases, they are new to black people. Right? If you're an Albanian immigrant, you have no familiarity with black people except that which you would learn from social media, the internet, television, and a lot of the hate rhetoric that's pushed out is not only from racist individuals, but also from bots and also from Elon Musk, um, who uses his platform to spread white supremacy and anti-black, anti-people of color propaganda. And with the racists, you notice that their story often changes. They used to have a story of, well, we don't like the blacks because they're of inferior IQ, and we want this land to be for those of who those of significant IQ. Then they find out that the Asians are performing better. Then they say, okay, well, it's not about IQ. It's about heritage. So, we want this land to be for those from for those of our heritage. But every time you dig into what they're saying, it's all based on lies and falsehood because the heritage of white people would go back to Europe, not to the United States. And so at the end of the day, it's always, uh, some form of racism that tracks back to irrationality. It tracks back to that insecurity. And this is not only unique to the whites. Obviously, I just gave a lecture on the Arabs, but the fact of the matter is all, and I talk about this in The Black Code. I have an entire lecture on this. And the sad thing is that black people want to believe in the magnanimity of other groups. They want to believe and project their nature onto others, which is a nature of being open, being welcoming. And this is the foolishness of black people. Uh, this is the idiocy when black people say, "Oh, you're invited to the cookout." Whereas no other group willingly invites outsiders to their in-group. And the black people have suffered, uh, due to their inability to, uh, engage other groups that are extraordinarily, uh, ruthless and hateful. >> I think you're totally right about that. Um, if you don't mind me speaking about it, if that's okay with you? >> I, I yield the floor to you. >> Yeah, I've Oh my god, you know, I've seen such a difference between, I would say black people, I would say Caribbeans or African-Americans, um, and their sense of ethics compared to other groups of people. You know, I, I honestly do believe that we tend to have a habit that is more centered around, like, I, I would say Christianity, like even though I wouldn't say to believe in it, I would say a lot of their values we tend to have tend to be very docile in a way. And it's other cultures tend to have more of a past and an identity that stems way further back. So they tend to carry, you know, more of a, a protective, um, habits that don't lead people just to like walk all over you. So like when you were talking about like blend in the cookouts or you can come by, when you do that to like all their cultures, and they see this, let's say someone in, like, I don't know, India or China, they don't see that as welcoming. They see that as, well, they may see me as welcome, but they also see you as like almost weak, like you're like you're someone easy, like like there's nothing unique about you, you know, like some homeless person on the street. You're not really showing them your kindness. I think it really comes with dominance before you come with kindness. Let's say some white person done this, they would see it. They understand the, the not level, but the hierarchy that white people have because they kind of just went around killing everybody, right? So when they act kind, they, they see it actually as something that is grateful, like they're grateful for it. When they see black people doing this, them knowing only thing about black people is that they've been enslaved in the Western world, they see it as like some homeless person asking for money, like, "Please hang out with me." It's it's kind of sad that a lot of these, I don't want to say primitive cultures, but these cultures that that stem back further, they see any sort of being nice and kind without having a history of going around slaughtering people as weakness. And it's, it's honestly sad. >> Sad or not sad, one has to design strategy around it, which is why I created The Black Code. And I would even give a genetic explanation as to why they engage in these behaviors on a consistent basis for over a thousand years. So there's enough data to explain this stuff. And also, if you look at the obsession with the black male scrotum and phallus, it is particularly bizarre, right? The idea that, um, when black male slaves would be lynched in the United States, they would always cut off the, uh, the genitals, which is unnecessary and weird. And then we see with the obsession with eunuchs in the Islamic world. Um, and of course, for some strange reason, the enslaved persons had to be black and they had to have their scrotum and phallus chopped off. What is the scrotum and phallus? Well, the phallus is the delivery system of genetic material. And we see consistently, even on social media, we're on X right now. There's one white guy on X that walks around interviewing white females and asking them if they, uh, date black guys. There's also an Indian guy who does the same thing to white women, asking them if they date black guys. Now, we know the Indian guy is just one who wants to be white-adjacent. The white guy is truly concerned because the moment the white female deals with the black guy, it's not that he feels like the female is less than. It's that he doesn't feel like he can actually compete with the black male. That's why there's this obsession. Conversely, you never see black men going around interviewing black women asking if they deal with white males because we don't have any fear of competition, nor do we have fear that we will be left without a spouse or the ability to procreate. And furthermore, we know that when we do procreate, the product is black. And so that's even, that's whether we procreate with a black woman or a white woman, which is why Barack Obama was called a black president. We do not have a fear of genetic survival. Whereas the Arabs, the whites do have that fear. And as a collective, though it may be the minority exercising the violence, it is the collective that condones the violence. The Arabs could not have hosted 1,300 years of enslavement and mutilation of black boys without the collective condoning it. The same thing is true of the whites. I yield the floor. >> Khaled, we, we see that. >> Oh my god. Khaled, you can talk. >> Yeah. Yeah. Khaled, did you have something to say? I think we have our, uh, our local, uh, Muslim here. Assalamu alaykum. I, I, uh, was just dropping in. I kind of missed the opening of the discussion. I, that the, uh, title caught my eye. Islam is not a religion for blacks. I, I found the title interesting because, um, blacks seem to be the most polygynous men out there. And I think Islam offers that to black men in general. >> What a weak thing. Really? Polygyny. That was your reason why black people should to should to should go to Islam for, for polygyny. Do you think, like, I want to ask you a question. Do you think we're stupid? The one thing you talk about is polygyny for the reason why they should follow an idea for the rest, an ideal, an ideology, and a way of life for their whole life is polygyny. >> Uh, that's really funny. I mean, I'm kind of su, I kind of superficially jumped on this chat. I mean, no, I, I don't think you're stupid. I, I don't think there's anything wrong with polygyny in the first place. I just, I noticed that a lot of my black friends growing up in high school were spinning plates and had more than one girl. And Islam offers a, a moral framework for that to be done in a very kind of clean way. That's it. >> You want me to give a philosophical statement or something? I mean, what do you want? I think that's something I just >> It's something I think it's something that it offers to black men and Christianity does not offer that to black men. >> Is that the most important thing >> you believe black men care about? >> Like, are you serious about this? >> I'm not, I'm not black. No, but this is the clear example of what I'm speaking about. Like their their view on us. It's kind of disgusting. What are you talking about? >> I'm just, I mean, I mean, I've seen a lot of black guys spinning plates. They got a lot of girls and >> listen, you know. So >> I'm, I'm going to say this because this is the clearest example right here. And I'm going to tell this to the to the older generation, really. Most of these guys, most of these people growing up right now, this being the age of, um, I would say I was born around 2003. I want to point this out to you. People like him, they're truly degenerates. They truly have an odd view of black people. It, it's, it's so odd. They, it's so weird. And going back to what Marquette was talking about before when it came to people's obsession with the black genitalia, like this is, this is truly a thing. Personally me, luckily for me, um, I didn't really grow up on social media like these other kids. I didn't really have access to any of this or pornography in general. But a lot of these kids and these be like young boys, they're growing up and they're watching this, a lot of like odd content. Like I remember going through one of my friends' phones. We were just joking around in class. This is right. This was in, um, I would say 8th grade, and we're, we, we have one of our boys, we found him looking up, um, some pornography content and he literally looked up like black Jamaican cock. Like, what the fuck is going on here? Like, these guys are actually degenerate. Like I'm telling you, these people, they're degenerates. Like all these people, you're walking around in the streets. I don't want to make you have some social anxiety, but they have an odd obsession. And you would think this would come somewhat with like a, a reward, like how some people have obsession with white people, but unfortunately, it, they turn into more of like, they become so defensive about it. It's the weirdest thing. And like Marquette was talking about people having sex with black people, uh, you know, them like caring if like their women have sex with black people. They actually do this. This is an actual, it's not only on the internet. This is in real life. It is super odd. You may think some of them are silent about it, which they are, but they, they truly care about this. I, I Mike Raj, you want to speak? Go ahead. Mike, you're on. Okay. Maybe Mike is figuring out how to unmute his microphone. >> No, sir. I, no, sir. I'm here. I appreciate you. Appreciate you letting me on. I am kind of new to the space. Uh, I do respect your title. Islam is not a religion for blacks. Uh, is there a specific recom religion you recommend for blacks? Or because I, I honestly, I think the same way, but, uh, what is the, what is the religion for black people that you would recommend? Thank you, sir. >> Thank you for the question. I think the first thing we have to do is break outside of that paradigm. The assumption that it has to be a religion that we follow. Uh, so I think that's kind of strike one. And, uh, secondly, with regards to these religions, the claim of Islam is that it is for all of the peoples of the earth. And we see that that is not true because, uh, to be a Muslim and to be properly practicing and to make salah, you take shahada in Arabic, you make salah in Arabic. And in fact, if you were to remove everything Arab from Islam, there would be nothing left. Even the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, is an Arab. So it's very centered in Saudi Arabia with Mecca and Medina being holy sites. So that is their racist creation, and it spreads Arab supremacy. And the same thing is true with Christianity in the version that most black people practice. We would have those who speak of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, and I've been to Ethiopia more times than anyone else, um, including Ethiopians, uh, who are part of the diaspora. And you can get in a taxi in Ethiopia, and you'll see they have a white Jesus, uh, figurine in the taxi. You can go into some of the churches and you'll see Jesus portrayed as white. But either way, these are not religions that serve the black peoples, nor, uh, do they have any consciousness of blackness. Uh, so I would do away with all of it. And I wrote The Black Code as a guide to the black people, which takes into account the specific fact that you are black. The specific fact that you have all of the other peoples of the earth as your enemy. And it talks about how to thrive as an individual and as a collective. And there is no doubt that there is great spirituality merely in us coming together. And in black history and culture, we tend to revere our ancestors, which is a hierarchical thing, which I think we've lost very much. Uh, let me allow Khaled to hop in there real quick. Hello. Can you guys hear me? >> Yes. >> Um, yeah. So, just to respond to the brother who, I mean, he sounds like a really sharp kid, young kid. Uh, you know, that's there's some truth in there about perversion going around people, you know, obsessing over pornography and and whatnot, you know, but was was he saying that I, like I have an obsession over black genitalia? I mean, I wasn't >> No, no, no, that wasn't about you. was talk about a bigger issue that I've been into examining in general. >> Okay. Yeah. Okay. >> And just real quick, I think that he had a meaningful point, which is to say that, um, it was peculiar that you're essentially describing the organization of romantics or sexual romantic relations as the driving force of joining a religion. So yeah, that's a bit strange. But what's even more strange, and this occurs with all of the peoples of the earth, uh, because the black human is the original human, and in fact, the only human, meaning that we have all human DNA, no Neanderthal DNA. We are the originals. We are the teachers of all others, and you all come from us. So the idea that we would join into Islam to practice polygyny is laughable because we were practicing polygyny before Islam was an idea. You know, by the first millennium AD, you can find recorded evidence and you can look at the Akan, the Yoruba, the House of the Igbo, the Mandinka, the Wolof, just in West Africa. Or you can go to East Africa and look at the Maasai and the Samburu, the Turkana, or the Borana. Or you go to Southern Africa, look at the Zulu, the Xhosa, uh, the Tswana, the Sotho, and it's endless. And this is far before Islam came into existence. So, it's a peculiar thing of the child attempting or claiming to teach something to the father or the parent. >> I see. I mean, I, I'm not a subscriber of of evolution. I, I don't really believe in it. So, uh, but, uh, yeah, I mean, I guess, uh, bi, was it evolutionary biology teaches us that, uh, blacks are the first, uh, people. I mean, everyone comes from Africa, but, um, I don't know if I believe that. That's just me, though. >> It's very, it's very hard to believe that. You don't want. It's not that you don't believe it. It's that you don't want to accept it. You don't want to. The oldest skeletal remains are in Africa. All of the evidence is there, but you, you don't want to believe the evidence. And that's why your religion is so critical, because your religion is something that you can follow without evidence. It's based on your emotions and on your faith and on your your conditioning as a child. And so I understand. But what I would tell you, Khaled, is to, you know, leave black people out of Islam. You'd probably be best leaving everyone out of Islam. It's an Arab religion. It is not the black man's religion. So why proselytize to us? I, I got you. Um, and I, Hey, man. I respect it, brother. You know, hey, you're, you guys are sharp in this space. I, it's a different perspective, um, that I never heard before. >> Are you sure about that? >> I'm sorry. What was that? >> Said, are you sure about this? Like, this is a different perspective you never heard about. >> I mean, do I have any reason to lie? I mean, yes. I've never, That, that's the whole reason I jumped on the space was because the title caught my eye. I was like, "Wow, huh." Most of the brothers that I've met at the masjid, they, I mean, you know, seems like it's a religion for them. I mean, they're, they're proudly Muslim. So, >> Weak people, those are weak-minded people. I want to be real with you. They're they're weak-minded people. >> Okay. >> Oh, black people that that take up, uh, Islam are weak-minded to you? >> Bali and Ethiopian. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. You're weak-minded. If you grew up in a religion, if you inherited your religion from your parents, you're weak-minded and you've been following this whole thing without questioning, without stepping out and actually thinking about what you're believing in, knowing that you're setting certain rules for yourself dependent on either you're going to go to heaven or hell for the rest of eternity. You're not questioning that. Knowing the science we have right now and what we know is real or not. You haven't questioned or stepped out. I'm going to be real with you. You're weak-minded. Okay? There's one thing you should get from, I suppose, the Europeans, is to explore a little bit. Okay. Explore a ton. So if you're just stuck in this religion and you were born in it, you're weak-minded. What are your thoughts on that, Marquette? >> I wouldn't go so far as to suggest that they're weak-minded, but there is no doubt that you're right about exploring, and a lot of the way you express things. I remember being, uh, the exact same way in my youth, and, you know, you have intelligence, uh, mixed with some other things that accompany youth that, you know, has you expressing it that way. So, you're not wrong, but you're not all the way right. And I think that, uh, you'll be most effective, uh, if you maybe add a, a little bit of, um, compassion to the message because your goal, and my goal, Cole, is to try to bring some of these folks along. The truth is, they are lost. And there is no doubt that there is some weakness in their, um, in their position because the reason blacks go to Islam is threefold. Number one, they have path dependency. They respect Malcolm X. He's been positioned as a celebrity. He went into Islam initially, the Nation of Islam, and then Sunni Islam. And that has influenced a multitude of black people. And then the Arabs co-opted him in his image, and they use that to give dawah and to promote this to black people. Secondly, it is an alternative. They know that the white Christians enslaved them, speaking of the foundational black Americans, and it is a counter opportunity. Number three, it's promoted in the prison system. And most importantly, it has this martial feel and discipline, and most, and even more important than that, it has costume. So you can show that you've changed, show that you've turned over a new leaf. But in actual fact, it is not for us. And the truth is, people are looking for a way of being, a way of living. And that is why we put together The Black Code. People like you, Cole, will be a great, um, a great influence and leader in awakening, uh, our people. And frankly, uh, what I've found because you and I have a very similar instinct and personality, over time, especially those who may be feeble-minded, uh, and have low EQ, the truth is very sour to them. And so you have to open their minds, uh, slowly, and you can't overwhelm them with truth because remember, they never made their initial decision based on truth. It was based on emotions and it was based on lack, a lack of a community. So they joined the Ummah, a lack of understanding. So they searched for questions, or excuse me, answers in Islam. So it was the lack, it was the emotions, it was the irrationality, it was the loneliness. And those are the gaps that you need to fill. Not, not, uh, truth and logic, which is mostly what you and I have. And so we have to find some other strategies to bring them along. And we absolutely must because so many of our people suffer from Islam. They suffer from Christianity. And those are mental sicknesses. I yield the floor. >> Why do we want to help these people? Why would you want to help these people in the first place? Like honestly, from my point of view and my way of life and what I've seen, and Khaled, you can jump in after this, but why do you want to help these people in the first place? Why do you want to help black people, Arab people, or anyone in general? I just, I can't understand why anyone would put out so much effort to go out to help others. It's just, it's honestly, it, it's too tiring. Half of these people you see at protest march for the good or bad reason. Half of them don't even know why they're there. Okay. The people marching for pro-Palestine or the people marching for the, you know, the white supremacist like tiki torch rally. It's all based on feeling like these people are the same thing. All it was was an algorithm that showed them something or the environment around them, you know, them being in the inner city or being in the South or them having parents tell them certain things or being around a certain friend group that influenced them to make these certain behaviors. Like when I see people like that that are so, I don't want to say it's stupid, but so easily pliable, it, it scares me. Like it honestly scares me. Imagine raising your children around people like that. It just takes like a flip switch like this. That's all it takes. And they can swap back and forth to anything. It's like some black person go Christian to Arab, I'm sorry, Christian to Muslim to like whatever religion it's so >> Okay. Okay, that was right the first time. Okay. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. Christian to Arab. It's an Arab supremacist ideology. And we will come straight to you, Khaled, after this. No, I understand what you're speaking of. And, uh, frankly, um, at some level, you'll end up being a misanthrope if you're assessing, uh, humankind based on their rationality and IQ. And at a level, I sympathize with you and I suffer the same perspective. And frankly, the solution to that is really eugenics. But in the absence of that, uh, there are some things that we can and must do. But I'll tell you this, Cole, the truth is, as a black individual, you will always be assessed at some level based on the black collective. And that is because before anyone's heard you speak or found out about your merits or intellect, they will discount you based on what they expect from their appearance. Human beings tend to make snap decisions on what they can assess within the blink of an eye. And so as long as the black masses are downtrodden and looked upon poorly, it will impact your status and also your, uh, latitude. And the truth is, there are some who will see you as an individual, and then there are a great many who will refuse to see you as an individual. But what you must know is that there is a war going on. The black peoples have been under attack and losing this war for a thousand years. And the black peoples are your, uh, army, and we are all made for different things. Some of us are the idea people, some of us are the soldiers. Hell, some of us are the janitors. Everyone has a place and a position, and you, as the learned class, as the intellectually capable, uh, it is your privilege, uh, to be able to impart knowledge and to bring them under your leadership, not to cast them away. And I promise you, you'll find that, um, in your time of need, the black people will be there for you. Will they disappoint you? Surely. Uh, will they betray you? They already have. But there'll be those who stick to you, and I think you'll find a great value in it. Um, you just first need to find your tribe and also accept some of the things that are true of human beings. They're dishonest. They're irresponsible. Many of them are brainless and incompetent, and that's okay. I have the floor, Khaled. Yeah, I was going to ask you because you mentioned that there was a lack of, uh, or you kind of painted a picture of this, uh, isolated world where no one has a community and people don't have intelligence to work out these problems. But you almost framed it like going to a community such as a local mosque and breaking bread with with Muslim brothers as like almost like I got the feeling like it was like something bad or something like, like not not intelligent or or something like that. But I mean, if we live in such an individualized world where we're all these automatons feeding the machine and people have no community and no connection, like isn't that a smart thing to do to to go to your masjid and to make salah and to break bread with other people and to worship God? I mean, asking >> smart. >> Yeah, that's a good question. It is smart to, uh, be among those who are like you and those who love and respect you. And frankly, that is not true. Even Arab to Arab. You see, if you look at the Sunni Muslims who are supposed to constitute an Ummah, you find that there is no Ummah. Your Quran speaks of jihad. I could not think of a better time for jihad than, uh, what is going on now in Palestine. You have in excess of a billion Muslims against a minority of Israelis. Yet the billion Muslims have not acted effectively. Why? Because there is no Ummah. There is no community. The Muslims do not follow the Quran, and as a result, we see that it appears Shaitan is winning, and that is because the religion is not actually followed. And every time I speak to this truth, Muslims will say, "Oh, well, the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said that, you know, people would start to not believe, and he said that this would happen and that would happen." But these are not prophecies. These are excuses. And so I agree with you that >> Exactly. Exactly. I agree with you that people should seek community, but it is not authentic community for a black person to go into a masjid and to want to marry another Muslim, and then the Arab man won't give his daughter because you are a Nigerian or you're from the Gambia, you're Somali, and he wants his daughter to marry someone from the Khaliji, someone who shares Arab blood because the Ummah is fake. And then you claim that the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said, "Let there be no black above white or white above black or Arab above non-Arab." Yet that's always the case. And we can see the Saudi Arabs tying Ethiopian maids upside down and beating them and suffering nearly no consequence. It's disgusting. So yes, I say let the blacks go where the blacks are welcomed and cared for, which is not among the Arabs. It is not among the Muslims. It is not among the Christians. It is following The Black Code. It is being among the black peoples. I yield the floor. Looks like we have another Muslim, someone named Umama something or the other. >> Yes. Hi. Um was just listening, uh, when you were saying about these are very controversial points in the Ummah. Um, one thing you have to understand, you cannot judge a religion, which is an ideology, a theology, with the basis of its adherents, the followers of the religion. So what I mean is >> I'll give you an example. So Muslims are not perfect, far from it, but Islam is perfect. >> My dear boy, we've heard this argument different times. No.

problem. No, that is not the answer. That's that's foolish.

>> What you hear?

>> Yes, we've heard that.

>> You hear and quite pathetic when you think about the idea that you have an all-powerful God. Yet your God is not powerful enough to be a transformative force to the followers or the believers. You, my dear boy, represent the average person who is obsessed with religion. If you were not born to a Pakistani family and raised with Islam, and you were instead born to a Catholic family in Ecuador, you'd be a devout Catholic. You're not a thinker. You're not engaging ideas. You're trying to protect your faith at any cost. It's quite sad. Let me guess. You were born, what ethnicity are? You're Pakistani?

>> No. All right. Let me let me let me

>> Well, no. No, no, sir. What ethnicity are you?

>> I was born in England. So, I consider myself English.

>> No, sir. That is not That is not your ethnicity. What is your ethnicity?

>> Ethnicity. Ethnicity is from Asia.

>> Just be specific, my dear boy. We don't We're not here to play.

>> I said Asia.

>> No. Asia. Asia. Asia.

>> Continent.

>> Yes. I'm asking you to be specific.

>> Southeast Asia.

>> You're not Korean.

>> No. No. No. Southeast Asia.

>> See, now let me tell you this is why we do not respect you. You represent the dean of Islam. Your prophet was said to be very honest. He had so many names they called him. He was brought in to uh mediate during disputes. You really cast dirt on the name of your prophet because you are here being dishonest and deceitful and deceptive and elusive. You disgust me. I asked you simply what is your ethnicity and now you are lying.

>> I'm not lying. I told you it's Southeast Asia.

>> You're not lying

>> and I don't feel

>> games. That's a region. That's a region. Don't be a fool.

>> No, it's a part of

>> ethnicity.

>> It's a part of Asia.

>> That's a region, not an ethnicity.

>> It's a part of Asia.

>> Ethnicity.

>> Ethnicity.

>> Pakistani. Say what your ethnicity is.

>> No, if you want to be precise, it's called Hind. It was called Hind.

>> What is your ethnicity?

>> Hind. Indian subcontinent.

>> Okay. What? Okay. In the today, what country would that be within? It would be near Malaysia.

>> Not near. Within what country? What modern-day country would your parents be from?

>> Pakistan.

>> Okay. Now, let me tell you something, my dear boy.

>> East Pakistani.

>> East Pakistani. When my father was there.

>> Listen to you. You need to be silent now.

>> Every time I engage you people, you think you are anonymous. I knew you were Pakistani. I could hear in your tonation. Your race is coded in the timber of your voice. I know what you are. And you tried to deny it.

>> No, I didn't deny it.

>> I can see you. You're a liar. You're a liar. I said you were Pakistani 10 minutes ago and then you proceeded to say I'm Southeast Asian.

>> I didn't deny it though.

>> Let me ask you a question. I'm going to give you one chance to be honest. I told you without seeing you that you are Pakistani and you did not say yes. Marquette, you have seen me as though you are all-seeing. I am Pakistani. Instead, you played games and you said I'm from Asia, then you said I'm from Southeast Asia, and you played games instead of saying, "Yes, you're right, I'm Pakistani." You have a unique insight, Marquette. Why'd you lie?

>> Actually, I didn't lie and I'm not Pakistani, so you're not that smart, actually. All right.

>> You're Oh, you are a liar. We all know you're a liar. Let me tell you what you are. You are a Pakistani who's ashamed of what you are. My parents are in England. When I told you in England, you are embarrassed to be what you told that my birth, but you didn't want to know where my birthland is. You wanted to know where my ethnicity is.

>> No silence. You are caught between wanting to be an Englishman and be a Pakistani. You are a Pakistani who is ashamed of being a Pakistani, and that's why you are lying. You are

>> Do you mind if I ask Uma B al Mal, if that's how you pronounce your name, uh, a question? Mark, go ahead.

>> Yeah, go ahead. Because I've been seeing a ton of things, especially I've spoken to a few people in university that have come from England, uh, international students, and mostly Nigerians, uh, Muslim Nigerians, and they've told me their experience growing up in, I guess, low-income neighborhoods, and them being around you know, South Asian Muslims and how they are treated. So I wanted to ask Alala, have you seen the treatment of black people or the treatment of black people from Pakistanis or other South Asians and their view on them? Can you speak a little bit on it? And I know you're probably not going to be honest because you weasled your way out of not even saying your ethnicity, but I just want to ask if you're going to be honest here.

>> Okay. First and foremost, I didn't weasel out. Okay. I was just being general. Okay. And that's my prerogative because I don't know you guys. Number one. But that's number one. Number two, the question you ask is about racism. And racism is inherent in every color of people, whether they're brown, black, white, gray, whatever you want to call them. Racism is racist.

>> Oh god. Oh god.

>> Is there Yeah. Now, going to your specific question about blacks being subjected to racism. Yes, it is. It is existent and it's vice versa as well.

>> No, no. See that? See that? I asked you a very specific question and you expanded it to say to generalize.

>> No, I didn't generalize. If you listen carefully,

>> I'm I'm specifically asking you about your experience as a South Asian

>> in around uh other South Asians and the comments they've made and their views on black people. I'm looking for anecdotal evidence. So you speaking about your experience, you gave me a generalized thing. I don't want that.

>> All right. So you don't want generalization. You don't want the what's going on in society. Okay. So, I just gave you a real-life ex explanation example of what's going on in the UK. Yeah. But you don't want that. So, what what are you asking?

>> I do want that. You didn't You just said that racism is inherent and

>> Yeah. So, I answered your question, but

>> uh racism. No, no, no. I asked you specifically

>> the type of comments coming from South Asians, South Asian Muslims toward other black Muslims in your neighborhood or where you grew up throughout your life. Can you explain some of it?

>> To be honest, we're very multicultural. So, I cannot I cannot get

>> the fuck out of here. And C is the thing.

>> No, that's the truth. They it's always you. Now you're backpedaling, you're defending your group. I keep telling you guys this. These people are not going to be honest. And I want to be so real with you. I'm honestly thankful to an extent that that the um I would say like the whole uh Barack Obama and Joe Biden wave where we really white people, especially white women in general, started um I guess speaking out against racism because we got these motherfuckers like Uma Bay over here that will actually that finally understand that being racist is actually an issue because if none of this thing happened, these people would be overtly about it. So the only reason why he's defending this group is he doesn't want them to look bad and he obviously is here to convince people to be Muslim like the Khaled guy and stuff, but like it's it's honestly disgusting that you couldn't give me any examples even though I know there was uh you know a few. Like why? Why um why are you are you done? It seems like you want to answer your own question.

>> I've answered your question, but it seems to be not good enough. So I don't know the problems with you. Okay. We have given you that racism is a very forbidden, a very negative, bad thing in society. [snorts] In our religion of Islam, definitely. But racism is practiced by all colors, not just blacks, not just whites, not just Asians, not just very yeah, I hear you, very nice. Moreover, uh, why is it that you're here to speak up on Islam while not being a black Muslim? Like, why do you feel like you need to tell the blacks what they should be doing?

>> No. Do you know do you know what it is? Yeah. Let me let me correct you again because you've got a a tendency of assuming. So when we were search, we search on on the search engine for Islam and your space came up. So we thought, let's go in and have a listen. Understand?

>> Who's we? Who's we?

>> Understand?

>> Who's we?

>> Stop talking. Yeah, I'm talking to the questioner first.

>> So, you're not responding to what? You're not responding to what I said. I said

>> Yes, I did. I responded.

>> What are you doing?

>> What are you doing? Speaking up, trying to explain to black people what religion they

>> No, I already explained to you how I ended up in this space before we got interrupted. So, answer that.

>> Being present, Being present in the space as a listener is different than being a speaker. So you showed up as a speaker addressing a topic about blacks being Muslims. So it's one thing to just show up and listen. So be it. We wouldn't even notice you. But you came to speak.

>> Oh, actually, what happened was when we were joining, it gave us an option. Usually it doesn't. It says join as a listener or a speaker. So we happen to chose the speaker. So we came directly. Normally we have to request, right? You know about spaces, right? Did you

>> I didn't even uh request to speak. It just put me as a

>> Same with us. Same with us. Same with us. That's the same thing happened.

>> I know. I was in the conversation.

>> We can make like the problem is you two Muslims are not honest people. You see?

>> No. No. We are honest. You You have a nefarious agenda, my friend. Right from the beginning.

>> You don't have to interrupt me. Please stop. You don't have to interrupt me. I know you guys when the truth is getting out, you try to over talk.

>> No. The fact of the matter is silence. The fact of the matter is if you came here and you wanted to learn something or observe, and you guys are always observing the blacks, you could have just sat back. You decided to speak, and this is not a place where you should be speaking. You came here to try to conduct dawa and proselytize the blacks. If you were truly here to just listen to a discussion involving Islam, you would have kept silent. But you chose to interrupt.

>> No. Absolutely incorrect. We chose to interact with the subject matter, which is, it says, Islam is not a religion for blacks! Exclamation mark. Understand?

>> Correct. Correct. And you denied that. You suggested that you were made a speaker automatically, corporation, and you were forced to speak. No, you were not forced to speak. Who said forced?

>> You decided to speak. You decided to speak. Stop manipulating things.

>> You are not black.

>> You silence, boy. You are not black. You do not need to tell black people what to do.

>> We're not telling you to what to do. Nothing. We're talking about Islam. Really? Really?

>> You, sir, are not a therapist. You are just an

>> You are a narcissist.

>> Having an identity crisis.

>> No, I'm not. You are not. No, I'm not. You are a narcissist and you've just proven it.

>> You don't know.

>> You are a black narcissist. If you're a Pakistan, if you're a Pakistani or what, you're following the religion of someone that is not of your blood. You are lost just like the blacks that we're discussing. You don't know who you are, my dear boy. So, what is your goal here in speaking, Uma? What did you want to What was your goal?

>> Goal? No, it's just your title um your your heading. It says Islam is not a religion for blacks.

>> I know what the title is. I wrote it. So, I'm asking what was your That's the goal because that that is the goal is to say that's not true. Islam is

>> is a religion for all colors and races. And I was going to mention some verses from the Holy Quran.

>> Go to go to go to the Pakistani um or the Englishmen wannabe Englishmen space and make your arguments there. We don't need you here to colonize my

>> There you go. You're a narcissist just as we knew it. Fantastic. island. We don't need you here attempting to colonize. Let me tell you a little bit about your Muslim history. You see, you Muslims.

>> No, sorry, sorry, sorry. We're not going to let you tell us about our history. You're a narcissist and you've just exposed yourself and it's a recorded space. Fantastic. We're going to be using this and exhibit. This perfect is recorded. Excellent. Wonderful.

>> Keep calling names. A

>> No, no, it's not a name. I'm describing you. I'm describing you. Stop interrupting.

>> I'm not interrupting. I'm describing you and I'm describing your narcissism.

>> That's fine. Keep calling names like a child.

>> It's not a name.

>> It's a description.

>> Silence. Silence. My dear boy. You don't have to try to over talk.

>> No, I will let you talk now. Go on. Expose yourself further.

>> You don't have to You don't have to stop it, my boy. Now, your religion accompanied 1,300 years of enslavement. The Muslim slave trade. Yes. And the Muslim countries didn't even outlaw slavery until like 1981, was the last one. So, most of the people they enslaved were blacks. And not only did they enslave them, they mutilated their bodies. They turned them into eunuchs. They cut off the the scrotum and the phallus. So, you're telling me that a thousand years of targeting black people by Muslims that your religion is for us? Please explain that to me.

>> All right. Well, I will. So, that goes back to the point that if it hadn't been for your narcissism that you could have understood what I said, which is Islam is perfect. Muslims are not.

>> Calling will not substitute.

>> It's No, I'm not name-calling. I'm just describing your nature. It's a recorded space. You can go back and listen to your narcissism. But anyway, going back to so I'm just I'm just telling you I'm telling you the reason I'm telling you the reason for a while maybe we should let

>> I'm telling you one second, let let me just answer this guy

>> I agree

>> yeah, let me answer you so I told you already Islam is perfect Muslims are not that's the answer

>> I've heard that before, thank you

>> all right, please

>> you had centuries to perfect it. You had you had centuries to perfect your culture and you haven't. I don't think Islam is perfect. How long? How much more time do you need to perfect it? Hey, peace, brother Marquette.

>> Brother Marquette. This is this is brother Nahim. Um, I don't know if you know who I am, but I am very prominent in black American Islam and in the reparation space. And I know you've had some issues with the subject of reparations. And that I see you have an issue with the subject of Islam. And I've seen this space obviously late. I just was scrolling through. I just got finished working on a paper, the first draft of my paper for academia.edu on black American Islam, Noble Drew Ali to be exact, who established the first black American Islamic religious institution in the United States of America, in the Moorish Science Temple of America. So when you say that Islam is not for black people, and I'm sitting here listening to your arguments there, I mean, there's some blind spots in your in your scholarship. Um, just now you were talking about enslavement in Islam. None of these things are sanctioned in the Quran. When you speak about the abolition of slaver, can I can I ask you this question? Cool. So,

>> sure.

>> Okay. So, we are talking about Islam, which comes from Saudi Arabia, and we're talking about the and that should be really like they should have perfected it. Like, it's unlikely that a dude named Noble Drew Ali in America was practicing a purer form of Islam than the people in Saudi Arabia whose first language is Arabic, who the Quran was revealed to their people. So, you're suggesting to me that these Muslims for 1,300 years were enslaving Africans, uh, and they just got it wrong. Even though slavery is condoned within the Quran, it they just got it wrong, my dear boy. Is that what you're suggesting?

>> All right. Um, first, slavery is not condoned.

>> 1,300 years.

>> I got you. I got you, brother. Slavery is not condoned. and in the in the Quran, and you would have to pull those passages to prove it. Like in the Bible, Genesis 9:25, uh, Genesis. Wait, hold on. Wait, no, no, no, no. I'm I'm I'm giving you something to compare it to. Genesis 9:25-27 says, "Cursed be Canaan. A servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren." When you get into the history of who the original Canaanites were, then you would understand why the uh church under its doctrine went after our people in in Africa. When you read the works of Dr. Wesley Muhammad, Black Arabia, uh, Tariq Bry, save the true Arabs. Sister Dana, hold on. You said that the Quran does not condone slavery. You lied. If you go to Surah Al-M and Surah Al-Mar, and uh, even uh, Surah An-Nisa, they all reference slaves for examp uh, and also you're prohibited to all married women except those your right hand possesses, which is in reference to a slave girl. Uh, in and we could go on in Surah Al-Mu'min and Al-Maraj, it reads, "And those who guard their private parts except from their wives or those their right hand possesses, for indeed, they will not be blamed."

>> Let me can I respond?

>> Yeah, sure.

>> Okay. So, I've I've had these debates before, and brother man, you have to obviously do a little more research into what these verses are explaining. The problem with the term slavery in the accidentalist point of view, especially from the black American accidentalist point of view, is that we see slavery through the lens of our forebears, our ancestors. But this is not number one the slavery that's being spoken of in the Quran, and number two, what you are reading is not wait, hold on, let me let me say, brother

>> stop interrupting him, narcissist, interrupting him. What you're reading business

>> brother Marquette, what you're reading is in our business

>> what you're reading is not a condoning of slavery when you get deeper into the history. What about the 1,300 years that Muslims enslaved black people?

>> Right. We can look, we we we can get into that because I get into that. I've gotten into that. I've had

>> So, you're saying yes, that was Muslims condoning slavery for 1,300.

>> Right. We we can find Muslims condoning slavery. We can find the people of Benin, not only condoning slavery, having some of the most abhorrent practices. They were neither Christian nor Islam. What you're describing is something

>> is not on topic. Wait, hold on. On topic. Don't run. Wait. No, that is on topic.

>> Arab slavery,

>> brother. You are dealing with the a master of debate here. That's first and foremost.

>> You're not a master of debate. And in first firstly, you

>> can't wait. First, you can't tell me what I am or what I'm not. You've never debated me before.

>> You've never debated. So, this is what we can do. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Brother, this is what we can do.

>> Arab supremacist.

>> No. No. You're wrong. You're wrong. An Arab supremacist religion.

>> I got you. This is what we can do on on Twitter spaces cuz I'm very popular on this app. Let's set up a debate with just you and I. And I guarantee you, you're going to have probably ego. That's a That's an aside.

>> Wait. Wait. That's an aside. I don't know. You can remove everything Arab from your religion. Brother, look, everything Arab from your religion. What's left?

>> Check it. Check it. This is what you can do. You can get me on your stage. We can do it right here on your platform. Just me and you, though.

>> And you can prove to the world that I'm just another lost negro. But what I'm going to prove to you is that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. That's what I'mma prove to you.

>> You're you're frustrated. You don't have to curse. Nah, I just I just wanted to throw that in there. I wanted to see what your reaction was going to be.

>> I don't gain anything from proving that you're a lost negro. Everyone can hear you. I don't have to prove that. It's apparent.

>> But you're not providing any real pushback to anything I'm saying. Everything you're bringing up, I'm countering.

>> It's that you're so No, sir. You're so blind. Tells you about people. Yes. The Quran tells you about people.

>> You're studying the Quran moment. It says you dumb and the blind and blind. There you go. [laughter] Now understand this. If I were to remove everything Arab from your religion, you would have no religion. You see, let me ask you, let me ask you a question. Your No, don't interrupt me. Your prophet was an Arab. You recite Quran in Arabic. Your holy sites are in Saudi Arab uh Saudi Arabia. Everything about your religion is Arab. You see, it's an Arab supremacist ideology. And once you remove everything which is Arab, you have no religion.

>> All right. So, can I ask you a question? I just have a question.

>> Can you respond? Can you respond to that?

>> My response is going to be in question form. Is that okay?

>> No, sir. I want you to let me know if you understood.

>> Okay, then I'll respond without asking you, cuz the question was going to be, have you read uh Dr. Wesley Muhammad's Black Arabia? Right. Just the references that I have. You read Tariq Bry, Save the True Arabs. Have you read any of the work on Dana Mar? Well, you cutting me off while asking me to respond is a disingenuous form of debate. You sound like some dude from Fox News right now. But like I said, you are dealing with somebody that will wash you up in this topic and on reparations as well.

>> You're intellectually inferior. I dare. Yo, it's some people. It's some people in this text in in your space right now that's in here because they seen me popping here. They know for a fact that I will wash you up. So, let's just um let's check the debate.

>> I have no regard. Hey, I got you. You superior. That's right.

>> I'm not here I'm not here to um

>> Islam is not a religion for blacks is a contentious title. Wait. Islam is not a religion for blacks. Is a contentious title. It's not It's not contentious at all. Actually,

>> it's not contentious. You can't prove that.

>> And that's extraordinary because you're a religious person asking for proof. You are basing your entire way of

>> on something that has no proof.

>> So, wait a minute. Are you familiar with the the Moorish contributions to humanity, mathematics, science, etc., etc.? I'm just curious what what books have you read about the Moors, right? That that period of Andian Moore feeling that you have a jailhouse education.

>> Oh, I have a jailhouse education now.

>> I get the eerie feeling that you have.

>> I've never done no no time in prison though. I've never done no time in prison. I am from the hood. I'll give you that. I'mma auto that. I guarantee you, I will bet you every dollar in my bank account that I will clean you up on this subject.

>> Asking you, I'm politely asking you, where did you get your degrees from?

>> I have no degrees. I'm from the hood. I'm from the housing projects of New York City.

>> And I can tell. And I

>> And I'm glad you can tell. But I bet you this. Wait, hold on, brother. I bet you this. I bet you I will clean you up on this subject. Let's set the debate up. All you got to do is prove me wrong.

>> Impossible. I don't I don't

>> It's impossible, bro. I'm listening to you. You don't even know what you're talking about at all. Just like on reparations. Matter of fact, I will clean you up on both of those topics.

>> I appreciate your confidence. I appreciate your confidence. But

>> I should be confident. I have scholarship on the subject that you've never heard of or read.

>> I've read scholarship on this subject that you've never heard of or read.

>> Relax for a moment. The reason you're so excited to debate is because that's where you get your satisfaction. But for

>> that's where I get my proven moment

>> that people that don't know what the fuck they're talking about shouldn't be talking.

>> You don't have to curse. You don't have to curse. You don't

>> Oh, I'm cursing. I mean, for a bit. You see someone like you, you don't realize that for me to intellectually bully you is effortless. What I

>> this ghoul don't know who I am. You could never bully me in any way, shape, form, or fashion. All I'm saying is let's set the debate up. It seems like you're trying to run from the debate, brother. You scared?

>> I just think you're I think you're an person.

>> I'm an irrelevant person. Cool. I see people that you bring on your platform all the time I've never seen or heard of before.

>> Here's the thing. I've seen people I've seen people that you bring brought on your platform that you picked out of your comment section to debate. I will I will wash you, my guy. That is a fact on Islam and all reparations. Let's set the debate up.

>> Let's set the debate up.

>> Why do you keep set up a debate? I'm telling you that. I

>> But see, you wanted to debate with the Umar guy. You wanted to debate with him, but you don't want to debate with somebody that knows better. of 100% American free men that was born 5% that studied the teachings of the Nation of Islam and the Moorish Science Temple that studied the history of black Islam. I will destroy you. That's a fact.

>> Very good. So you you heard me tell you I don't want to debate you. Now can we move on? Can we move on now?

>> For sure. Sure. As long as the people know that the champ is here and those that know me, they know.

>> They know the championship here.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> So, I think that people like you, I find you to be very um boring because I know you don't do anything to actually help people in real life.

>> You're you're just a babbler.

>> See, man, if you would ask me,

>> you should have asked me what do I do?

>> What programs?

>> Yeah. What programs do you have?

>> See you. Okay. You gonna let me answer or you gonna let me talk?

>> I'm stuttering and just tell me.

>> You gonna let me answer or you gonna let me talk? Your yelling and bravado don't work with me, dude.

>> I'm stuttering. Just tell me.

>> Your yelling and bravado don't work with me.

>> Let me just say that.

>> You said what?

>> If you don't tell me, I'm going to block you because I don't want to hear you like just speak nonsense. Tell me what do you do for people

>> from from the Moorish Science Temple of America when I was a member to now as an advocate of reparations with our nonprofit United Sons and Daughters of Freemen. We have done plenty of food drives, coat drives, typical things that nonprofit organizations do. We currently drafted legislation in the state of Massachusetts H4351, which establishes an office of freeman affairs because the im all the immigrants have their offices and it's only right that we have ours. Our legislation is sitting in houseways and means right now as so that it can get a proper uh line become a proper line item in the budget of the state of Massachusetts. Wait, wait, wait. Visit my website.

>> Interrupt you. No, hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Brother, I'm about to land. Let me land.

>> I'll give you an offer. Just one second. One second. Give you an offer.

>> So, if any of the things you've actually said are connected to your name and we can find that online, I will invite you to a debate and we can debate on YouTube. I want to pull it up so people can see if any of those things are associated with you and your name and we can prove the connection. I will debate. I got you. Why? Let me give you why. I just want the audience to know why.

>> Okay? Because if you are actually doing something for black people, I appreciate, respect, and admire that. Even if we're trying to approach it in two different ways.

>> Indeed. And and I feel that. Yeah. I love intellectual discourse. And I'm from the hood. I like to pop my shit, too.

>> And I don't I don't like intellectual discourse cuz if you were really an enemy of mine, I I'd prefer you to not be alive. I don't want to debate you if you were really an enemy.

>> Well, that's different. Ah, come on. You you read the Quran. The Quran says when you debate with them, debate in the best of

>> manners. I'm not a Muslim. I'm not a Muslim.

>> Well, but you you read the Quran. Obviously, you're you're citing verses

>> more times more times than any Muslim you'd want to talk.

>> Then you should know it says when you debate with them, debate in the best of manners. And in a debate,

>> we won't curse or do any of that. It would just be straight intellectual.

>> Okay. I mean, that that's your opinion. That's your You would have to prove my opinion.

>> You would have to prove that.

>> Quran from the Arabs. You got the Quran from the Arabs.

>> We got the Who are the Arabs? Who are the Arabs? What is Islam?

>> Please don't play this game.

>> No. No. Okay. Okay. What is Islam? Before you move to the next hand, what is Islam? Explain it.

>> No, sir. We're not going to play games with define [clears throat] this word.

>> All right. So, let me let me tell you how to look me up, brother.

>> You're following an you're you're following an Arab religion. And that's Let me let me tell you how to look me up.

>> Omin is black. Yeah.

>> All right. Let me let me tell you how to look me up real quick. So, Lord Abba is my name in the conscious.

>> We'll go on to YouTube right now. If I can find if I can connect you to any of these things you say you're doing, we will convert to YouTube right now and debate.

>> No. No.

>> Literally, right now we will go and you said you want to debate. You scared.

>> I said let's set up a debate.

>> No. No. Of course we not going to debate right now. I want to be able to pull my notes, my research, my research.

>> You should know what you know. You should know what you Well, I do know and I've proven that to you already. You don't know what you're talking about at all.

>> That's crazy.

>> You don't know what you're talking about at all.

>> And then I said, "Let's debate right now." Now you're scared. That's

>> scared. Pump faking out here.

>> Oh, so now I'm pump faking after you just denied debate, wanting to have the debate with me. You are hilarious, my guy. But I'm trying to I got you, brother. Brother, I got you. In the real world, I will debate you.

>> Okay, I got you. I got you. Let me tell you how to look me up though, so you can know if I'm legitimate or not. Hold on, brother. Let me let me just tell you. So, my my conscious community name is Lord Abba. L O R D A L O R D A BBA. That's number one. Nahm way is my name. So, you'll find all of my political work.

>> Wait, hold on, brother. You'll find all of my political work under Nahhem Way, which is how it's spelled on my profile, right? And you'll see me Google to see what you are currently.

>> Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You asked. So, I'm just trying to help you. You'll see me in the Associated Press. You'll see me in ABC News, uh, NBC News. You'll see me in a bunch of the Chicago Crusader.

>> Just listen. Listen. Please help me out here. Help me help you. Just tell me one thing to search so I can see the word.

>> No, I'm I'm giving you all of it so you can know that you're dealing with a a well-rounded scholar. Number one, community activist.

>> You're done. You're done.

>> Now I'm done. What you going to do? Block me?

>> Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ.

>> What you [laughter] I'm trying to tell you.

>> I don't care about any of that. I'm not like your buddy. I'm not We're not in a romantic relationship.

>> Yo, that's whack, dude. Stop with that whack shit, my guy.

>> Stop with that. Like I say,

>> to tell me one thing and then you start going all female talking at length. God damn.

>> Jose, did you get a chance to speak?

>> Not yet. How you doing, my brother?

>> I'm well. How are you? I'm

>> great. Great. Great. So um regarding um the issue about blackness and whiteness um Islam the reason why people speak if I think he had a session on why the Arab language is a representative Islam is a representative of Arabic nationalism and I find that to be kind of mistaken because the Arab language can only like the Arabic language is the best when it comes to uh what do you call disseminating certain concepts and uh back in the past the There were different kind of languages and not all languages were capable of of philosophy and religion, what have you.

>> What are you?

>> I'm from Canada.

>> You're Bangladeshi.

>> No, originally. Yeah. But Persian ancestry, but I'm speaking about the Arabic language.

>> You're wrong. You're wrong, sir.

>> Sorry. [laughter] No, I think No, I think it's it's very sophisticated when it comes to preaching certain ideas and concept abstract abstract concepts. That is why I believe the languages came down.

>> Yeah, I'm Muslim. I'm practicing.

>> Okay.

>> Is is Allah subhana wa ta'ala almighty?

>> Of course. No doubt.

>> Is he all knowing?

>> Of course.

>> Okay. Why didn't he just give us all one language and then just give us the Quran in that language? Well, the Quran itself answers that question so that we all get to know each other and learn from each other. That's that's

>> that doesn't make sense. It would be a lot easier to learn each other if we all spoke the same language. Let's be real here.

>> Um, in terms of it'll be very homogeneous and God,

>> don't shut your brain off. Don't shut your brain off. You see, for example, I'm in Ecuador right now and I was just trying to explain to them that if you're going to bring out my dessert, bring out the cake hot and bring out the ice cream at the same time. I don't want you to bring out the ice cream first so it melts and then you bring out the cake later. I want to eat them together. My Spanish is pretty good, but I couldn't remember the word for melt. You see? So, it was a little hard to get my dessert right. So, you expect to explain theology in the Arabic language. And that's the best way to do it. And the best way for us to get to know each other is to have different languages. That's brainless, my friend. That's truly brainless. It just shows that you're brainwashed by the religion. No, no, no. At the end of the day, you're saying things that literally don't make sense just because you've heard it many times. Doesn't make sense. The idea that we're going to have people speak different languages so that they could know each other better. It's utterly ludicrous.

>> No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's not true. That's not That's the the point of religion is that the Semitic languages are better in terms of explaining abstract concepts much more in a more sophisticated manner manner.

>> Tap tap tap out. Tap out, sir. You don't know what you're talking about. Somebody just tap out. [laughter]

>> What are you trying to say?

>> Hello.

>> You don't know what you're talking about. Seeic tap out. It's tap out. You're wrong. [laughter]

>> Good night or good day. Good day. All right, great. Um, fantastic. Uh, Aar, have you had a chance to speak up?

>> No, sir. I personally don't have any input. I have been enjoying the conversation.

>> I appreciate you. Thank you for being here. Let me add on some of the other folks who have requested. Can I I yield the floor? Can I can I mention something? Can I can I speak up and say something?

>> Sure.

>> Okay. So uh regarding Islam and its influence on black people and subsaharan Africans, I don't know if you're well aware that when during the slave trade, the transatlantic slave trade, the transatlantic one, okay, [clears throat] the Muslim one, right?

>> That's that's a bit more complicated. But transatlantic slave trade was the worst, is the most cruel slave trade in human history. Much worse than the Arab trade. You're actually you're lying because the Muslim Arab slave trade was 1,300 years. The transatlantic slave trade did not uh systematically cut off the scrotum and thus of the black male. Whereas your Arab Muslim slave trade would cut off the penis and the testicles to prevent us from procreating. But they would do it when we were eight years old as uh children. They do it without anesthesia. And then once they cut off your scrotum and your phallus, they would then put you inside of sand chest high to put pressure on the wound. Oh, and by the way, that wound they would put like a a a metal an iron nail in to make sure that the urethra stays open so that the scar tissue doesn't close up. And they dehydrate so that you don't urinate and cause a urinary tract infection prematurely. And this went on uh to the tune of 20 million Africans. Are you kidding me?

>> Can I can I respond to that? Hold on a second. Uh, castration was not Can I Can I respond to that, please? Um, castration was not unique to only the Arabs. The Chinese did it. The Indians did it to enemy combatants or enemy

>> Muslims. My boy, stop running. Stay on.

>> No, no, no. I'm saying No, I'm not saying they did right.

>> I'm not being dishonest. No.

>> Discussion is called Islam is not a religion for blacks. I just described to you how following the creation of Islam, it what followed it was 1,300 years of Arabs and Muslims enslaving black people, specifically 20 million of them for 1,300 years, and you're sitting here trying to explain it away. You're a despicable character.

>> No, no, no, no, no. Hold on. I'm trying to elaborate a bit. I'm not saying that they did right. I'm not justifying it. What I'm saying is it you're trying to juxtapose it to another disgusting institution trying to suggest that your institution was not as disgusting only trying to do such a thing.

>> No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're mis misunderstanding what I'm trying to get at. Um, what do you call the Arabs before Islam were also enslaving black people, such as Bilal, right?

>> Jose, Jose, Jose, you're done. Listen, I watch an Arab listen. I watched an Arab man spit on an Ethiopian woman, right?

>> And laugh and almost smack the shit out of them. Ethiopia, fool. They're killing Sudanese people right now.

>> That's backed by the UA.

>> No, no, no, no, no. It's right now. It's backed by Arabs, fool.

>> No, no, no. Hold on. Don't Don't disrespect me. Am I disrespecting you, man? Don't take it personal. I'm not If I wasn't one, you're dis you're disrespecting me by trying to insult my intelligence. I'm telling you what's happening in real time, man.

>> I know what's going on is no. Shut up. Why you lying though? You're being

>> They are invaders. You invaded that land. No. Listen to me, boy. You invaded [laughter] that land. No business being there.

>> No, no, no. We're talking about that. I'm not even here. Let me explain to you something, man. Language.

>> Well, then don't defend. Don't

>> What are you talking about? Black Arab. I'm not enabling anything. You're putting You're You're assuming things that I'm not saying. I'm doing things, man. Man, you're being man. You're being a racist to yourself, man. You're being a hypocrite.

>> I'm not denying what's happening in the stand, man. I'm explaining it to factors. Shut up.

>> Shut up. Shut up. Why you being a racist?

>> Why you being a bitch for being I am an observer, boy?

>> What are you talking about? What are you talking about, man?

>> What are you talking about?

>> Tell you the truth.

>> What are you telling me what exactly?

>> I'm saying blacks can be Arab too, man. Is that these people are black Arab? Some cartoon Arab. Shut up. You're not You're being lying. that an Arab that an Arab walked into his store, shot him point blank in his chest, tried to kill him, and he had to send his family to an Arab country, Saudi Arabia, and he's here in Ethiopia, boy. It's happening.

>> I'm not saying it's happening.

>> I'm not saying crime happening. No, no, you're not about complicated issue, man. Because there's reason happening. It's not complicated. It's very simple. People are very simple. The Arabs no Africa. The Arabs have North Africa.

>> Arabic is a linguist. [laughter] The Arabian Peninsula. They got white Arabs. They are white. They got black. You're denying the truth. People are there. Black boy, your master boy. I'm telling you the truth.

>> Why are you yelling at me? Because dude, are we having

>> Because I am your master. I am in control of you.

>> Look at this man. You are in control of anything. You are I'm not lying about anything, man. Shut up. Listen to me, girl.

>> Are continue.

>> Can I Can I speak to you, Marquette?

>> Marquette,

>> I appreciate you.

>> Marquette, are we having a civil discussion or not?

>> Is Marquet.

>> Marquet, Marquet.

>> That's correct.

>> Okay. I was having a civil discussion and this man is yelling over the mic. I'm trying to

>> You were about to explain to me uh you were you were about to attempt to explain away the way you Muslims enslaved black Africans for 1,300 years and castrated eight-year-old boys. You're about to try to explain that away. Go ahead.

>> I'm not justifying I'm not justifying anything, buddy. I'm explaining the context, and it's wrong if Muslims did it.

>> What's What's the What do you mean the context?

>> Well, first of all, I mean, uh, castration was common place throughout the Middle East and the Near East. Second of all, you know that blacks were enslaved by other blacks and other Arabs before Islam, too. So if some Arabs did it after the death of the prophet, it was going against.

>> So you don't know what the word context means. I see. So you're not giving the context. You're giving the pretext.

>> Okay.

>> Context means means you're explaining, you know, the circumstances of, you know, the the temporal environment, the cultural environment.

>> You're giving a pretext.

>> Okay. I'm giving is different. It's kind of like an excuse, and you're trying to justify what your religious uh co-conspirators did. And this is why you religious people cannot be trusted because at any cost, even the cost of your integrity, you will try to condone it by suggesting

>> other people did it. Don't interrupt me, sir. Other people did it. Well, that's extraordinary that your defense of your God and of your goodness is that other people, the kufur, the non-believers, those who were suffering jahiliyyah, that they did it. But you're supposed to be on a higher level because you're following the word of God. And you got the word of God fresh. It was immediately after the advent of Islam that we