Millennial Millionaire Ep. 84 - Michael Sartain

[Music] Welcome back to the show. For today's guest, we have Michael Sartine. Michael is a US Air Force captain turned master connector. He's the founder of the Men of Action. He's a high status network coach, a local here in Vegas and just seems like an all-around cool dude, dude. Thanks for being on the show.

>> Hey man, thank you for having me out here.

>> Of course, dude. So, you're killing it. You're all over uh social media making moves. I'm curious though. Walk us through your journey from the military. Thank you for your service by the way to doing what you're doing now in the high status men coaching world.

>> Um when I got out of the military uh well first off I used to work in night life before I was in the military and there's this massive contrast between people who if you ever worked in night life there people are not very accountable. You have very attractive women. You have people who some of them have alcohol or chemical problems and I but I just love I was just a lot of fun for me.

>> I was in Vegas.

>> No in Austin, Texas. I I was I'm probably the only person who's ever done this. I um I on the uh 19th of Feb fe February 2004 I was the DJ at uh Sugar's Uptown Cabaret strip club and but I had sworn into the military that morning. So then I drove from San Antonio MPS at Fort San Houston back to uh uh Sugar's Cabaret. I worked one last shift. So I actually worked a shift while I was enlisted in the military as a strip club DJ. Nice. and then drove to Montgomery, Alabama to Maxwell Air Force Base to officer training school. That would have been um yeah, the n or the 21st of February, 2004. And so I did that for a while and it was and I I was still working in nightlife kind of part-time while I was in the military. And um and it was really crazy to see this contrast of people who will show up to work and get the job done no matter what. Like at the at the peril of their own life, they will get the job done. And then this other group of people that I was working with that just had no accountability or what like whatsoever. And it was just like the confluence of these two realities, right? One of them is these people are very straight edge, very straightforward, you know, buzz cuts, no beards, no mustaches, very very uh you know, military people, right? You don't you don't show up to work. They they'll put you in jail. You cheat on your wife and you're in the military and they will like they'll bust you down, right? There's like these punitive um punishments for doing things wrong. And then I and then I would I I would go out and I was part of the nightlife uh groups in um in Atlanta, Georgia back in like 0708 and it was um there's this massive dichotomy. Well anyway I got out of the military in 2011 and and I decided in ' 07 I decided to move to Vegas before I had gotten out. I came here for um it was either 07 or 08 they had the NBA All-Star uh weekend here. Okay. And I came and I was like I was at I remember being at Jet on a Tuesday night and being like this is the most fun I've ever had in my life and it's Tuesday. I remember being at Pure on like maybe a Wednesday. I remember being at uh Hayes on a Thursday and like this is the this is the most beautiful woman I've ever seen. I'm doing no work. I get treated like they think I'm a local. This is incred because I'm military ID. Yeah. I was I told my station at Nellis and I I would just come up out here and I was like I if I want to be successful and I want to date beautiful women, I need to live here because it's easier, not because it's harder. I want to spend less time trying to build a social circle, not more time. And so, um, when I first moved here, I couldn't believe like how easy things are. This is the easiest city in the world. And I know people have a hard time understanding what I mean by that. Like getting a a reservation at a fivestar restaurant here is easier than any city in the world because they're all right next to each other. And like a Tuesday night, you can go to Mastro, you can get whatever you want. You can go to, you know, Jean George or or or Carbone or whatever easily. And there we have the most incredible restaurants off the strip like Capos and places like that or a barbecue or whatever. And and it's just like there's no traffic, there's no state income taxes, there's just like it's just there's no humidity.

>> 247.

>> It's 247 and it's just like if I like other people are saving up their money to go see Tiestto one time at Staple Center, you know, it's like they're so excited and I see and I can see Tiestto four times a month if I want for free and I'm standing four feet behind him because I'm a local and I'm like this is the easiest city in the world to be. And then other places it's like, well, you know, the dating pool here is not that great. And I'm like, I'm in Vegas and I'm like, every hot girl you've ever seen in your entire life comes here once a year or twice a year. I'm like, it's it's crazy. I just how easy it was living here. And so, um, I was here for a couple of, uh, years and then I started working with this uh, event promotion company back in 2012. And then we, uh, started doing these bikini fashion shows and started throwing parties. I don't know if you've ever been to like the Vegas prom, but they used to have it at the bank. there was a prom and we all got Letterman's jackets and stuff. We would throw parties like that and I was working in finance at the time. I did not want my nightlife career to have anything to do with my like regular income. I was a stock options trader. I've been a stock option trader since 2013 uh professionally. And so I worked at a small fund um as a quant called Continental Financial Capital since uh 2017. And so I I that was my daytime job. And then at night time I would just go if I was going to go out I wanted to be out with 50 girls. I wanted to be a huge party. I wanted the mayor, the district attorney there. I wanted it to be massive. The biggest attorneys in the city. And so, and then, but that party's two hours long. And I do that once a month, twice a month. That's my whole social life. And so, I can spend the rest of my time working on my fitness, my diet, my working on my business, all this other kind of stuff. I try to figure out a way, how can I make creating a social circle as efficient as possible to where it's like 12 beautiful women who want to date me and I get offered all these jobs and I'm only doing this three to four hours a week. Like and so that so what happened over time was I started developing this methodology where it was like I was at the Playboy Mansion. So I Crystal Huffner is a friend of mine. Her and I used to host a bikini competition together. This is uh Hugh Hefner's widow. And uh and so we would be um we she'd invite me to the Playboy Mansion and I would see meet all these people and I remember I would get text messages from my friends and be like how the how the [ __ ] are you doing this? Like how are you? I was a videographer at the Playboy Mansion at one point and I'm like hosting at one at one point I'm hosting the three biggest bikini competitions in the world at the same time. The one for Paradise Challenge, the one at W at Republic, and the one for Swimsuit USA. And and and and I would get these messages like, "Bro, I can't understand like what you how are you doing this? You work in finance. This doesn't make any sense. You're a military officer." And I was like, what if I came up with a course where I explain to everyone how like I was able to network with like I don't I I don't go if I go to Aspire or if I go to uh Elevator Nights or if I go to Tai Lopez like his mansion, I don't go as a guest. I go to speak. How is it that I was on this side speaking versus being the guy the guy who pays to go to the 10X conference versus the guy who speaks at the 10X conference? Yeah. >> The guys who goes to see Tony Robbins versus the guy who speaks up on stage for Tony Robbins. what's where's the the disconnect? And so I built a course to get over that line. And so if you're a man and you're not interested in women at all, you just want to do high status networking, then I teach you how do we get into conversations where all we do is solve problems for other people. So if I'm at dinner with, let's say, Justin Waller, I'm there with Dan Flechman, I'm there with Tai Lopez, whoever. We're having dinner. The conversation is nothing but problem solving. All I'm trying to do is like, how do I fix your salesunnel? You need a new sales guy. You got a guy who needs to do AB testing for your ads. you need an SEO guy blah blah all we do is talking about talking pro solving problems and then sometimes it's like hey I'm dating this girl what do you think about XYZ and all I'm doing is solving problems for them and from doing that I just you're able to network in any group you want and then you go from like me working in finance in two weeks I'm hosting the maximum hot 100 party in Los Angeles I'm the MC for that how do you do how did you make all that happen and I taught my clients I went step by step on how to create these social circles and then also I went over there's Another issue that I think a lot of guys have is that they don't understand the fundamental um attraction triggers with women towards men. Like this is the singularly most misunderstood thing in the dating community is that that especially female dating coaches and a lot of really good-looking male dating coaches don't understand how attraction works because they just get it automatically. Does that make sense? It's trying to explain to a fish what water is. And it's very the the privilege is invisible to those who have it. So, a woman trying to explain to a man attraction makes no sense. It doesn't doesn't work. So, I broke down attraction triggers and I use concepts from evolutionary psychology. I'm a Longhorn from UT Austin. Dr. David Bus is the foremost evolutionary psychologist in the world and he has the bus labs at UT Austin and he's become a friend of mine and a mentor. Dr. Bus would give me all like I would read all these evolutionary psychology studies about make choice copying and pre-selection etc. uh people getting to know each other in a uh so for instance in an unfamiliar environment the better looking guy does better in a familiar environment the less looking the not as good-looking guy with a better personality does better >> and so there's data on this Lucy Hill did a study on that one in 2015 there's studies on upper body muscle and like whether or not women find X attractive versus why the dad bod all these things there's data behind it so I included all this data in my program along with the high status networking stuff and then that's Why I've we just crossed 4,000 clients that I've had go through the program. I've got 200 video testimonials up. I I I don't compensate anyone for my testimonials. I got hundreds of guys trying to do testimonials. And then last night we just threw a party um and we had 200 bikini models walking for these different fashion lines for swim week. And uh and then we had a bikini competition and all the judges were my clients. And so like in and now they're having the time of their life and I'm I'm teaching every one of them to do this and my clients are now repeating what I've done in Seattle, in New York, in Miami, in Scottsdale, in different places like that. So that's pretty much uh where it's come from. It's a it's the confluence of nightife and the military and then the corporate world that I lived in working in finance and like I'm saying what are the best pieces I can take from each one of these things and then just put them all together in one course.

>> It's a lot of fun stuff, man. So, I agree with you. So, my fiance is in night life. She works on Encore Beach Club. So, I've been around the game. I grew up in Vegas out of fake ID when I was 18, you know, going to uh the clubs that you mentioned weren't around when when I was was hitting it, but I agree with you. I think Vegas is one of the best cities in the world. I know Miami is uh on the up and cominging, but the amount of access that you can get here is incredible.

>> I'm going to say something that's going to piss a lot of people off. All right, ready? In Vegas, we don't have the hey, come on my yacht. We really don't. We have a you might go on a wakeboarding boat or whatever.

>> and the the Miami is more transactional than Vegas is.

>> for sure.

>> Meaning like there's no exception. There's no middle class women who aren't looking for rich men with Lamborghinis to take care of them. Here in Las Vegas there's a middle class because we have a massive university and because women make 200K a year working as a pit boss, a cocktail server or working as a bartender or or even an exotic dancer. So there's a middle class of women here in Vegas. So they're actually less transactional. I know some people won't believe me. They think I'm making this [ __ ] up. It's not true. I meet women here who I'm just ne like it's not if you want a sugar baby, go for it. But that's what Miami is for. That's not here. Here the women make enough money to where that's just really not an issue. And I like places like this. The reason why I don't live in Medí Colombia that there's no middle class for women there. So you have all these women turning to prostitution. And in the same in Miami, the women can't even afford to live there. So you see all these women that become sex workers in Vegas. Believe it or not, there's so many good jobs for women. You actually don't have that problem here. A lot of people get furious when I say that, but I'm like, but it really like you it's way you are way more likely to meet a woman who's a part-time sex worker who's a sugar baby in Los Angeles at in Beverly Hills or in Miami than you are in Las Vegas. Because in Las Vegas, like I said, the thing about Las Vegas is like the prostitutes here are not hiding that they're prostitutes. They let everyone know. But whereas in in LA, you're meeting a girl who's like, I'm an account manager at Visa and really she's a hooker on the side. And so that's a big difference. And so so since so many of my clients are so wealthy, I literally have a course going over how to tell when you're being played by a woman financially. Like I'm that's one the things we specialize in is older men dating younger women. We specialize in men who do not want to consume alcohol or use drugs to meet attractive women. And we also uh go over basically women trying to juice men for money and how to not use money as a crutch but use it as a funnel. And that's what we specialize in the program. And so I just think it's a it's a really difficult thing. But like you said before, I just think my or Vegas is just better for all of those things.

>> I agree. Let's talk about money a little bit. What did you set out to build the circle as money as the goal or did that become the byproduct?

>> There was no goal and there was no set out to build the circle. It was just I started hosting these massive parties and then oh what what happens is there's this misconception and I'm sure you know this from like being in nightlife like I I will have a charity event for animals. So I do a lot I work a lot in animal rescue. I'll do my animal rescue event and I'll go to the charity. I'll be like is it cool if I bring like 40 female influencers that have huge followings? They're like yes and while I'm there so is the district attorney for the city of Las Vegas and the mayor. So, it's like what you think is, no, this party nightlife scene is only for the degenerates. And then you come to realize like, no, the like five biggest attorneys in the city are at this uh animal rescue thing that we're doing. And so, you understand there's like no good guy status or bad guy status. When I was growing up, you had the Iron Chic, he was the bad guy. And you had Hulk Hogan, he was the good guy. It was very clear who the good guys were and the bad guys were. And now the whole world is like Breaking Bad or The Rock, like Dwayne Johnson, The Rock. He's the good guy and the bad guy. our president right now is the good guy and the bad guy at the same time. There's only status. There's not good guy status or bad guy status. And so what I what I realized was I started throwing these incredible charity events and then I would invite the most high status dudes that I knew, the most successful people I knew and they would all say yes or they would say no and they'd say thank you and then I would we'd be connected and they'd be like, "Hey man," and then I would get invited to these these opportunities. I was sitting at dinner with Dan Fleshman and we were going over an IPO. Like we were getting like early offerings for an IPO. There's no way I would have had that opportunity had I not done this before. And Dan Fleshman's probably the king of having these huge networking events and just hundreds of beautiful women there. And so the couple of things that I realized is number one, um I remember I would show up to Tai Lopez's events and I would bring like six or seven girls with me and everyone would stop and want to know who I was because I did that. I think a lot of times in our self-help community, right, where where it's whatever it's Tony Robbins or 10X or whatever, it's just 98% men. Yeah. And so I was like, "Hey, here's a crazy idea. What if I just started throwing events and when I showed up to these events, I either brought a ton of girls or I started having events where there were more women than men. Imagine like CES, they have to hire models because it's nothing but dudes there, right? So, I was and when I figured that out, what I found was that it was much easier for me to to network with higher status people because men really enjoyed being at my events versus other ones because it's not 99% dudes. And women felt more comfortable because there were more women there. And so, that's that was the key. But again, that's kind of looked down upon having female influencers there. But it it I'm a [ __ ] of what works and this is what works. This is the way people network back in in now in 2025, especially considering that dating apps are completely dead. They're completely I don't know if you just saw um the company that owns Tinder, Bumble Hinge, whatever, they just settled a lawsuit out of court uh where they had to pay money because they guaranteed you a match in in six months if you paid x amount of money. And they were made up profiles.

>> There's nine men for every woman on a dating app. women, attractive women, don't go to nightclubs anymore. They don't go to bars. They don't go to restaurants. They don't go out anymore. There's five nightclubs per per week that are closing down in uh Los Angeles. I'm sorry, in Los Angeles, in London. And the Los Angeles night I'm going to say this right now. The Los Angeles nightife is dead. Los Angeles nightife is complete. It is over. It does not exist anymore. In LA, the people who are going out on a regular basis are going to restaurants or they're going to mansion parties. The nightlife community in Vegas is done. I'm sorry, not in Vegas. LA. Yeah, edit that out. The nightlife community in at Los Angeles is complete. It's done. It is completely dead. But my friends who throw maximum parties or they throw babes in toyland, it's like 50 girls. There's like 300 girls and 75 guys there. It's like because when you throw these events and there's an offer behind it, then you have girls come out. But if it's just go to the nightclub and get drunk, that whole scene is done. It's complete. Now, from 2004 to like 2019, that was how that was the dominant uh creature. That was the dominant theory. That's over now. Since the dude ate the bat in 2020, that's what we're that's where we are now. The the virtual nature of which people meet each other is completely dying. You see this bottom third of men that are being left behind. And the secret that we figured out was to throw events, help other people with their events, and have a purpose for people to come out. $100 million offer by Alex Rosie. said, "Create an offer that's so good that people would feel stupid for saying no." That's what we do. It's for us, it's just like it's animal rescue. It's uh breast cancer awareness. It's um uh getting collecting supplies for troops overseas. Uh we do one for homeless children uh in December. And we just we built our social circle around these charity events. And then I also do swimsuit pageantss as long as well. And because of that, like I can't I can't explain to you how out of my league I am with the people I'm able to connect with because I'm able to do that and how easy it is for me to teach the dentist in Witchah or the accountant in Spokane. I can teach him to have this same lifestyle by by teaching him the techniques of networking.

>> That's really good. What do you think the biggest challenge is with a new client that comes to you as a man? Is it I need to make more money so I can attract more women? I need to get in better shape. I'm sure there's a bunch of different things, but what would you say are those key points that people need to evolve?

>> Yeah. The number one is worshiping at the altar of worthless people and their worthless opinions. Most people who are watching this right now care way too much about what other people think about them. I don't give a [ __ ] You live in a country where a man [ __ ] a porn star while his wife was pregnant while his wife was pregnant and you elected him president of the United States twice. You live in a country where a man they made a movie about him uh where he punches his wife in the stomach. He kidnaps his own child. He goes to jail for 15 months for securities fraud. And everyone loves the Wolf of Wall Street. We live in a country where a man runs over someone after winning a decathlon back in 1980 runs over somebody, kills them, runs over another one after transitioning to become a woman and four months later after killing someone in a vehicular homicide is named woman of the year. Caitlyn Jenner. You think we live in a country where Oliver North was part of the Iran Contra affair and now a contributor on Fox News. No one pays for [ __ ] Before OJ Simpson died, I had a conversation with him. He was being offered millions of dollars to host a podcast on on uh fantasy football and the man except for the part where he allegedly stabbed his wife and this other dude 56 times. There's no consequences for going out and taking chances anymore. That's the thing that's happened. And so the the go back to what I said before, people instead of taking those chances, you go back home and you go to Thanksgiving dinner and you have a fat aunt who's been divorced three times trying to give you dating advice, trying to explain to you how you should be living your life. You're giving away, you're worshiping at the altar of worthless people and their worthless opinions. You don't give yourself a chance, an opportunity. You don't give yourself permission. The part of the reason why like I'm at backstage at every one of these concerts, I'm backstage at every one of these self-help conferences. I'm back on I'm backstage at every one of these nightclubs. The reason why I do that is because I give myself permission. Most of the time I'm not even supposed to be there. I've talked my way into [ __ ] that there's no possible way I should be there. And I'm standing next to celebrities and I'm like, but why is it because I give myself because the security guard looks takes one look at me and like he's supposed to be here. I don't know why. I don't know how I know this, but he's supposed to be there. And so I teach people the last um module in my whole program is called who the [ __ ] is that guy? And it teaches you how to be this person who gives yourself permission to go get what you want out of life. That's the most important thing. Now, what how does that translate? Not talking to women, being afraid to not talk to women, thinking that money. So, I'm probably the number one person on the entire internet that teaches men how to get uh women without using any money. So, in all the stuff we talked about, like for instance, like the charity events we throw, the charity is usually hosting the event. All we do is use social media to promote it and to invite influencers. We spend no money. I'm very very very big on using no money to get women in the beginning. Then once you meet a woman who's amazing, spend whatever you want on her. But using money as a funnel and not a crutch is the one of the main things that I teach in the program. So that's a big one is that men thinking they need to use money. And then the other one is, and I hate to say this because a lot of these guys are some of my closest friends, um, from say 2003 to say 2019, the 16 years of the pickup community really screwing up men's heads, thinking that they need to show a massive amount of intent to a woman and telegraphing intent to women to show interest. Women do not have sex with you because of your intent. They have sex with you because of your status or their your perceived status in their eyes. And this is coldblooded. Like the status hierarchies are something that is being studied in psychology. These are real things. There's and people don't like this idea of relationships being transactional or being founded similar to the way primates do. But it's what we do. It's the truth.

>> And so what I found was

>> um there's a lot of like say red pill content and obviously roller is one of my best friends and he's the godfather of the red pill. Uh there's a lot of red pill content, not his specifically, but that it's very very extreme. Okay? And a lot and every one of these guys that I sell use extreme. They're all friends of mine and I love these guys. And sometimes that extreme red pill content is necessary because sometimes to get a boulder out of a hole, you need a shovel and sometimes you need dynamite. These guys are dynamite. Some guys are completely lost, totally screwed over and totally blinded by their life situation and they need someone as bombastic as Myron Gaines to say or Andrew Tate to say something to them or these people are going to down a terrible path. And then there's u I had my my um I had a uh it's called MOA Summit for my my program there. All my clients we come meet together once a year and during MOA summit I asked how many of you guys watch red pill content? You think that it's too extreme sometimes and everyone in the room rose their hand. I said how many of you guys started taking my program because you wanted a moderate science-based alternative to some of the red pill stuff you you saw? And every guy in the room raised their hand. So that's kind of what I am. I am the alternative that is science-based where I still want to explain to you how attraction works, still understand concepts of evolutionary psychology, while at the same time, I don't need to call women [ __ ] and hoes and 304s. I don't do that on my show because it doesn't help you with your bench press max. It doesn't help you build your business to eight figures or nine figures by calling women those pjorives. That doesn't help you. It's not here's the funny thing. I've had women on my show who are actually like they're porn stars. They're actually hoes. I'm not saying they're not. I'm saying that you calling them that doesn't increase your bench press max. You calling them that doesn't increase your bank account. So, stop doing that because it's not helpful to you. I'm only interested in offense, not defense. I'm a performance coach. And so people who want that type of like moderate science-based instruction, they come to me and I help them skip 25 years of tribulation by giving them a course that is systematic that goes through every step on how to develop the most high status network and the ability to communicate the ability to be a leader and to date the most beautiful woman in the world.

>> Why do you think there's such a need? Because I agree there's a massive need in the marketplace and this is why you have the Andrew take characters coming out because there's been such a extreme on the other side that there needs to be a counterbalance. What's going on?

>> So there's two things going on here. Number one, academia refused to have a conversation about men falling behind and it was really the the catalyst for it. Um I had um Professor Richard Reeves from the Brookings Institute on my podcast and he said Andrew Tate was our fault because academics refuse to have a conversation about men suffering. If you went to Princeton or Harvard or Yale right now and said, "Hey, we have all these statistics showing that men are more likely to suffer from uh to be the victims of homicide, violent crime, more likely to lose their jobs, more likely to be the victims of mental ill to suffer from mental illness or more likely to be homeless. If we were to show this um these this data and he had a course called Why Men Suffer, could we teach that course at Stanford, Harvard, Yale? Of course not. It would throw bananas at you. There's no possible way you could go to one of those universities and have a course called why men suffer. I can show you why they suffer. Because if there is a patriarchy, the the boot of the heel of patriarchy is always on the necks of poor low status men. Throughout history, in every society and in throughout all time, it is always low status men who are the ones that are the laborers going to war for the country. It is always low status men that are the sufferers, the ultimate victims of patriarchy. If patriarchy exists then that they are it's not women. It is actually low status men who are doing this. They're the ones putting themselves in debt, committing suicide. It's low status men who are doing these things. So it we weren't willing to have this conversation. Men falling behind. Then Richard Reeves wrote a groundbreaking book called of boys and men and he goes over the statistics on how men are falling behind when it comes to education. I have no problem. Women are getting educated more. Twothirds of college graduates are now female though. That's like one standard deviation. That's crazy high numbers. That means we have very few men that are graduating with college degrees. So this so the first part was the inability for academia and the media to have a conversation about men suffering. So they created a void because no one was listening to this bottom third of men. And Andrew Tate just spoke to that void which made him the most he became the most famous person in the world faster than any human in history. Let me say that again. Andrew Tate became the most famous person in the world faster than any human in history has ever become that famous. There's not even He was on par with Google searches with any president we've ever had and no one knew who he was six months prior. That was not no one. He had some following, but I remember when he first started messaging me, he was not that popular. And then he had 400,000 followers on Instagram. And then next thing I know, it's billions of searches and he's like there's more images of him on Tik Tok than any other human in the world at one point. So it's it's madness. And there were more Google searches I believe August of 22 or August of 23. He was the most Googled person in the entire world. And so why does that happen? Andrew is a great communicator, but that's not why it happened. It happened because there was this massive void. There was this bottom third of men who nobody was listening to and acted like they didn't exist. So that was the first thing. The second reason why is there's two forces going on right now. One of them is women. So since uh title N or since 8 1972 uh since title N, we started seeing more and more women become educated. And so now what happened was in 1972 uh women men outpaced men outpaced women by 14 percentage points as far as bachelor degrees in 1972. In 2019 women outpaced men by 15 percentage points. We had completely swung the opposite direction.

>> and in countries where uh like so there's Scandinavian countries where in mun municipal areas where women make more money than men in general. So the pay wage gap's in the opposite direction there. And in those places, the women want men who make even more money because that's a function of hypergamy. Yeah. So what happens is women get more educated and they have more economic opportunities. These are forces that are driving women up as far as their their standards are concerned. And right here we have men and they are being they're suffering from sedation like pornography, video games, and they're also suffering from the fact that testosterone levels are at the low all-time lows because of perfumes, because of plastics. We can go into like a there's a great book on this called estrogeneration which goes over all the reasons why male testosterone levels are dropping. So we have this force pulling men down this force driving women up and women also uh there's an algorithm the evolutionary algorithm called hypergamy and hypergamy only allows women in general to date across or up. So now as we go down here you do the graph across and up is very very few men and then you have women saying things like I have women on my show all the time like how much do you think the average guy makes? And it's like 400,000 a year. What? Like even 100,000? No, it's $59,000 a year. And the women are just like

>> what the average like how how tall is he? Like how many of you would be interested in a guy who's 5 foot n so on on dating apps it's 17% of women that are interested in men that are 5 foot n or shorter. And I'm like you understand that's 50% of the male population in this country is 5 foot n or shorter. That that's madness. Like how how tall does a guy need to date in order 6'2? That's 3% of men. Uh or six feet tall. Uh that's 17 or 17% of men. Um I I somewhere I was reading it's like 8% of men have six-packs. 14% of men are millionaires. It's like it's harder when you start going down this this road and you start saying what you ask these women what their preferences are. They all want six feet tall makes over $100,000 a year. That's $100,000 a year. Um $134,000 a year put you in the top 10% of wage earners. $100,000 a year I think put you in the top 17%. And then they want they want the guy to not be obese. Okay. Well 70% of Americans are obese. This is only 30% of American men that you have left. And then they want them to um not have not be married. That's a big one. Like women have become so desperate on the hypergamy market. They are they're throwing themselves at married men. I I've talked to hundreds of married men and they all say this. It's like, and in fact, there's a study, it was at um I believe, don't quote me on this, I believe it's Oklahoma State University does a study where they show men and they they show men and they ask women how attractive these men are and then they tell a different group of women that these men are taken. They're married and they ask how attractive they are. And the studies go from 60% attractiveness to 90% when the men when the the man is taken. You see how ugly this is, like how dark this is? This is the reason why a lot of my content doesn't go viral is because I'm I'm referring to human beings as hairless murder apes. But it's true. You can't no one wants to debate me because it what I'm saying is empirically true and I'm using science in order to show these things. And the other problem that a lot of people have with my program is that my clients get outrageous results and show it on social media so they can't argue with it. So they are just like you're shallow. This is degeneracy. And I'm like yo man no here. What's happened is no one has had these thoughts and put them all together in one course. Evolutionary psychology has never been combined with an actual course teaching leadership and dating before before I did it. And so that's why nobody had ever seen it before. And the results are so staggering that we had a copywriter come to us. Um we were doing a mid-t offer called uh offmarket dating system. And um when we did the mid-t offer, the guy was like, "Hey, can you show me like some testimonials or some guys that have done well?" And we show the testimonials and then the copywriter is looking at this 5 foot five Indian dude dating this gorgeous blond blonde hair blue-eyed woman and he's like I don't understand. I was like is he paying her? He's like no he's not paying her. He just used what we taught him about make choice copying humans relevancy competency access to scarce resources access to scarce locations access to scarce networks humor charisma pre-selection and social proof. We taught him these attraction triggers and then he's able to get these stunningly beautiful women. And the copywriter is like, "I don't understand. Like, I I don't know how to write this. This doesn't even make sense." And copywriters are notorious for exaggerating. And they're like, "We can't exaggerate." Like, "What you the the results you get don't make sense to us because they're so crazy." And then we have people sit there, they'll be they'll talk [ __ ] And I'll be like, "Okay, go to my my uh go to my testimonials." And they go to the testimonials and they're so confused. I had an attorney come to us one time and they were like, "Hey, you know that if you get those testimonials and you compensated those people for the testimonials according to the FTC, you have to say that you compensated them for the testimonials. You know that's the case, right?" And I was like, "Well, we didn't." And he's like, "No, for real." Like like I've seen your testimonials. Like you have if you compensated them, you have to tell them. I was like, "Bro, on my on my father's grave, we never paid anyone for these test." He's like, "There's no way you have testimonials that are this good. That's not possible. That doesn't make any sense." So, the copywriters, my our attorney, they don't understand how this works so well. And it's not because we're special. It's not because I'm super good-looking. It's because there were actual there's actual data since the 1970s that come from evolutionary psychology that show actual attraction triggers between men and women. And if you follow them, they work most of the time. Not all the time, but they work most of the time. And it it's just it's one of these things where we finally got to the point where it was trial and error by me. It was my thousands of clients and it was all these studies done by Steven Store Williams, David Bus, William Costello, all these different evolutionary psychologists, all the stuff from Gad Sad, all these different evolutionary ecologist um uh Lita Kosdites, uh different people like that and we we took this data and we said, "Okay, what can we do and actually apply into the real world?" And we just did an incredible job and that's that's basically what the program has become over the last six years.

>> What do you think social media is doing to the dating dynamic? Right? Because you have

>> these men that now have access to these beautiful women across the world that they would never come into physical contact with. So you have that

>> polluting their unconscious mind. And then you have these women that have access to uh billionaires in Dubai. So when they're meeting their local guy in Dallas Fort Worth,

>> what what did that do to it?

>> Yeah. So So this is another controversial statement. My sexual market value as a man is defined by the most attractive women that will have sex with me. That that doesn't seem that controversial. My your sexual market value as a woman is defined by the highest status man that will commit to you. That's the part that gets offensive. Women don't like that. So, what they're doing is they're taking the masculine quality of getting hot women to have sex with them. They're like, "Okay, if I get hot guys to have sex with me, that means my sexual market value is higher." And it's not. It's actually lower. Getting women getting men to sleep with them does not increase their value. It doesn't because it's too it's like going down a lazy river. There is nothing on earth that requires less force than a woman getting sex. So, a woman getting sex and then saying, "Well, this is how I determined my sexual market value because I had sex with Drake, a power forward and a center fielder who slid into my DMs because I went on a video shoot with Taigo one day or some rich dude said he wanted to fly me out to Napa Valley and then just have sex with me and kick me out of there. that's not I can't get these men to commit to me. So there's this massive confusion. Homath, my buddy Homath, he says women get stuck on their highest setting. So because social media has now availed you of people in relationships that look better than you, right? That have nicer cars than you, nicer houses than you, and go on better vacations than you. And then women who are more attractive, or I'm sorry, men who are more attractive than the men who you meet on a day-to-day basis are messaging you on social media. Because of that, it has jaded your just ve very similar thing happens when men watch pornography. They start believing that women are like the pornog the women they see on the porno scenes and it warps their mind. Women's minds get warped instead of by pornography. They get warped by the attention they get on dating apps, the attention they get on social media and then ridiculous books like uh 50 Shades of Gray where it's like the billionaire who only has sex with one woman and doesn't want to be women believe this nonsense. And so because of what what happens is they start believing that's the case. And then you see like the wizard Liz gets cheated on her by her boyfriend and everyone's shocked. I'm like of course that's exact that everyone could see that what was was going to happen and so what happens is now remember I told you

To scale before where women are being pushed up, men are being pushed down. Women have, uh, they're attracted through their attraction works through hypergamy. So they want either men that are of the same level as them or higher, but they're warped into thinking that they're actually the same level as them. This woman who's a five thinks she can get a nine. And when I say five and nine, I'm not trying to rate people physically. I'm saying if we took a million social media profiles and stratified them and then took the median, that's a five. I'm objectively talking about a five. The person who gets the 50th percentile most right swipes. That guy dating a like.

What happens is women who are a five are trying to go after men that are nine because they believe they believe they can get those men and they can get them to have sex with those women, but not to commit. And this is the part that's very offensive to a lot of women. They're like, "No, my sexual market value is determined by me. I'm a 10 because I feel like a 10." Like, I couldn't imagine me going to the Golden Knights tonight and saying, "I, I, I want to play goalie because I feel like I can play goalie." I would be escorted out of the building and laughed at. But the idea that women then can say, "I'm a 10 because I feel like a 10." It's like, "You're also a billionaire because you feel like a billionaire." No, we as men do not have the privilege of believing that these subjective things or these objective things we can subjectively say that we're X, Y, or Z. And this is the other part that's very confusing to a lot of people. My sexual market value is different from my self-worth or my worth to society. Does that make sense?

>> Yeah. So, if I'm a man and I'm a cardiologist, uh, and let's just say I, I, uh, teach at a local university. I make half a million dollars a year. I work in Doctors Without Borders. I lead a group of people at my, uh, either my university, my hospital, or my private practice. And so, the things that make me a viable cardiologist also make me attractive to the opposite sex. They're the same things. If I play quarterback for an NFL team, I'm viable to society. They pay me a lot of money, and I'm, I'm attractive to the opposite sex. If you're a woman and you're a cardiologist, the opposite is not true. If you're an incredible cardiologist, you may have saved my niece's life and I will thank you forever. I will send you a card on your birthday every day for the rest of your life. Thank you for saving my niece's life. You have incredible value to the world. You go do Doctors Without Borders. You save millions of kids, hundreds of thousands of kids that live in Africa. What all the stuff you do, you're an incredible benefit to society, but it doesn't make men more attracted to you. And women cannot get past this idea. They think that they need a Birkin or a nice job or a master's degree to to make women to make men more attractive, and they're just not attracted to those things. So for men, the things that make me viable to society also make me attracted to women. For women, it's not the same thing. And so there's this confusion that happens when the woman gets the second master's degree, gets a PhD, gets a law license, starts her own private practice, and then she's like, "Where's my man?" He's like, "He's back in the 20s, in your 20s where you left him." Because as men, we are not looking for the same things. We don't need you to protect us or provide for us. We need someone that we want to have beautiful, healthy children with. And as far, I don't care what you think. Like even if you even if you're a man and you don't want children, you're still looking for women who would give you the best. This is very confusing to a lot of people. If you're a woman and you don't want children, you're still looking for the man who would give you the best children. You're still looking for the broad shoulders. You're still looking for the man who can protect you. If you're a woman and you don't want children, I'm sorry. If you're a man and you don't want children, you still are looking for women with a hip to waist ratio that's the most fertile, which is .72, which even blind men say is the most appealing hip to waist ratio in women. So regardless, either way, you're still looking for that evolutionarily best mate to raise children with. And so that's how attraction actually works. And it doesn't matter how many times Victoria's Secret or M&Ms puts overweight women on a stage and tries to make us believe that these are westernized standards of beauty. And if we could just get past our westernized standards of beauty, we'd be more accepting of overweight people. No matter how much they try to indoctrinate us with this nonsense and hokum, it doesn't make any difference. It's like, you don't attract men. Men are attracted to attractive women, and it's genetic. It's not cultural. And that's that's another thing that's very offensive to a lot of people because what happens now is I can objectively describe beauty. Uh oh. Uh oh. That becomes very problematic. Lots of triggers. A woman can objectively describe my, uh, wealth. You can very objectively, I can, you can have somebody appraise you. You can have an accountant. You can objectively, you can objectively describe my wealth.

>> Or the lifestyle they want.

>> Correct. But if I try to objectively describe your, uh, physical attractiveness, and again, for me doing almost 70 swimsuit pageants at this point, every time we start, I'm like, she's going to win. And we're always right. Like I don't, I don't have to talk to the judges. I don't have to do anything. I'm like, that's first place, that's second place, that's third place. And I'm always right because beauty is objective. That's why that's why I can always tell you who's going to win.

>> Let's talk about status a little bit. Would you say, Michael, that the man that has a beautiful wife, girlfriend has a higher status than the man that has a lot of money?

>> So, here's the thing. I will, I won't tell you that, like the evolutionary psychology studies will show that. There's this really great study and I forget if it's, uh, I forget if it's the Southwest University or if it's the Royal Society. They show photographs of men with beautiful women and without beautiful women. So, it's a, so if you've ever done a, you know, psychological survey, you're going to show the man and then you're going to show another picture photoshopped with a bunch of beautiful women with him. And in the photos with the beautiful women, not only do other women find that man to be about 20% two points more attractive. Not only do they find him to be more attractive, other men see him as higher status. And it gets even crazier. Women see those men who are pictured with with other women as being more intelligent and more generous. Madness. Your psychology would play tricks on you like this. But yet I have so many guys and I, you know, I'm just going to say it. Sandeep from New Delhi who comes to me and he's like, he's like, "White women don't like me." And then I show him a couple of, of tricks when it comes to, uh, attraction triggers, and now he's dating the, uh, 5'11 Ukrainian blonde, and he, and he's not using any money, and, and, and he's getting hated on. Like nobody can figure out how he's doing it. And it's because of these surveys and data that has been clearly carved out in evolutionary psychology. Anybody can, if you guys want Atomic Attraction, you can read it. It's just nothing but evolutionary psychology studies that show how attraction works. Uh, it's a great book. And, um, and so when you use those attraction triggers, then you're able to just, you know, manifest incredible levels of attraction. And you have guys just basically hitting 700-foot home runs out of the park, and it makes no sense to anybody else.

>> Yeah. Well, it's so interesting, you know, going back to the, the industry in the nightlife. You know, you see these bussers, uh, that can, you know,

>> Such a great example.

>> attract, that can attract these cocktail waitresses where you have people spending, you know, nine-figure networks at the club, that these girls won't even give them the half of the time of the day.

>> I do this joke all the time. I have a bunch of friends of mine who are cocktail servers like, "How many of you have slept with a buser?" And they're all looking around like in shame. They've all slept with a buser. And for those of you guys who don't know this, do they select guys who are tall or short to be bussers?

>> Short.

>> Short. They want shorter, smaller guys to be bussers because they have to sneak in there and grab the stuff and pull it out. Having big dudes as you want big dudes to be security guards. Bussers are smaller or smaller dudes. The bussers at some of these nightclubs, when you see them, they're like tiny, and they've had sex with the most beautiful women you've ever seen. It's because they're not in an unfamiliar environment. They're in a familiar environment. In a familiar environment, you're able as a man to display more attraction triggers than in an unfamiliar environment. In an unfamiliar environment, this is cold approach, or these are dating apps. Chad Thundercock is going to beat you. He's just going to beat you every time. In a familiar environment, it's the guy who's very funny, very articulate, very well-coned. He's the one who's going to do better than Chad Thundercock. He's going to make Chad Thundercock look like a [ __ ]. And that's the difference. That's where it happens. How do you do that? How do you get women from an unfamiliar environment to a familiar environment? Social circle, networking, event creating, that's how you do it. And so in instead of complaining and saying the sky is falling like a lot of other content creators in the manosphere, I'm providing a solution, a clear-cut solution that is tested through science and hundreds and hundreds, thousands of testimonials. Now, once a lot of your students start to learn these attraction figures, they start to go from zero to one, two to three, two to three, they start attracting women, they start getting their confidence, all the things.

>> Yeah. How many of them is the goal to get married? And how many of the goal is really just to have a good time and increase their status in the marketplace by being around beautiful women?

>> Are you married now?

>> Engaged.

>> Okay. Do you remember a time when you didn't care about getting married?

>> Yes.

>> So the answer is all of it. The answer is all of them. So just imagine if, would you be as inclined to get married if you had zero experience with women your entire life?

>> No.

>> So you're more inclined to get married because you've had some of those experiences with women. By the way, another controversial statement. Men need to date women to get better at dating. Women do not need to date men to get better at dating. It's very, I people get very upset when I say this, but it's absolutely true. Women do not need to date more men to get better at dating. Men do because we're the performers. Men need to, men need to date more to get better with women. So the answer to your question is, if I have a guy who in general ultimately wants a wife, the problem is he has no experience with women. So, he's going to go through this phase where I teach him where he's got seven or eight women, uh, vying for his attention. They're competing with each other for his attention. And at that point, he might not want to settle down, but he does that for a while, and then he starts saying, because it's one thing, you notice how rich people are always like, you know what, being rich is not that big of a deal. You're saying that to make poor people not hate you as much. And you have these dudes like, I love when Bilzerian is like, you know, it's not that big of a deal to like sleep with all these. Thanks, Dan. Thanks for telling us. It's like, let, can we have a hundred threesomes first before before we sit there and believe that? So, what happens for a lot of guys is you'll tell them it's like, hey, you're going to meet a beautiful woman and she's going to be such a headache. You're not going to want to date her. Well, if you've never been with a beautiful woman, you think I'm full of [ __ ]. What I'm saying doesn't even sound real to you. It's like, let me find out for myself. And so, then you have that experience and you start seeing red flags, serious issues, borderline personality disorder, horrible levels of jealousy, narcissism. You start seeing these red flags, not in every woman, but in some women because you have some level of experience. And once you had those experiences, then you're like, "Okay, now I know what I want in a wife." And now you go off and get married. So the answer to your question is both. The answer to your question, like the guy who's like a virgin is like, "I'm ready to get married right now." Get ready for the divorce that is coming three to five years later because you don't know how to communicate with your wife and you don't understand how to speak woman. You don't understand how to communicate the intersexual dynamic. It's, it's not that men and women, men and women speak a different language, and there needs to be a translator, and it's generally not women who are going to do the translating. It's generally men. We need to understand how to speak to women to generate attraction and to be able to communicate with them because if you and I are solving problems for each other, and and my girlfriend is not going to want to hear that. She doesn't want me to just solve problems. She wants, she wants me to listen to her. And there's other mechanisms that you need as a man to understand how to communicate with women. If you don't have those things, and a great example of this is you see now in the church, you see a lot of, uh, the churches, uh, one of the things they advertise is absolution. So, if you're a woman and you decided to get into sex work in your early 20s and you got on OnlyFans and you had sex with a bunch of dudes on there, and now you're, you're 30 years old and you've gotten right with God. You had an epiphany and now you want to get right with God. You're serious. You're not here to have fun. You're dating with intent. I love these matchmakers. Dating with intent. So, now you're dating with intent. So, you go to church and they put you in a, a young singles service, right? The young adults or whatever. Uh, you go into the service with them, uh, and maybe it's a Wednesday night thing they do. And then there's the guys that are in there. And these guys, you know who they are? They're the ones who follow the Bible and didn't lose their virginity and have no experience with women. And now the church, look what they're doing. They're hooking up these women who were highly experienced with men with these men who have no experience with women. And these men are getting mollywalked and taken to the cleaners because this is happening. Let me say this again. Men need experience with women to understand women and to get better at dating. Women do not need experience with men to understand men and to get better at dating. They do not. If women have problems where they keep picking the wrong ones, more dating isn't going to help you. It actually makes you more jaded. What would help you is having a family member, maybe grandma who's gone through menopause and does isn't turned on by, isn't triggered by the attractive males the way that you are. Maybe it's the dad, maybe it's your brother. Maybe you have a guy who's a complete male [ __ ] and gives you the 411. I recommend women have a guy. You don't sleep with him, but this guy is like completely, completely honest with you and just tells you the stuff that he does with women so that she can have an understanding. But you don't need to date to do that if you're a woman. If you're a man, you do need to date. A lot of you, you, you don't need to sleep with 50 women before you get married, but you need 50 women to want to sleep with you before you get married.

>> Would you say that is a factor in the divorce rates, not having enough experience before you get married for the rest of your life?

>> No. The the factor in divorce rates goes back to what I said before. As women climb up, so one of the number one precipitators of a divorce is when a woman makes more money than a man. Meaning a man loses his job. When men lose their job, if you ever have James Saxon on, he'll talk about it. Like women are racing to the divorce, uh, attorney. They're trying to talk to every divorce attorney in the city so they can they can conflict out every divorce attorney and then they drain the bank account immediately. Like this is when, when, um, you have a situation, the divorce rate. So there's a couple things women will tell you in general, uh, when we have a conversation about the divorce rate, that it's because men are falling short is the reason why the divorce rate is still 56%. And so what we'll do is we'll do a, a quick thought experiment. The divorce rate is 56%. The number of divorces, the percentage of divorces being initiated by women in heterosexual relationships is 73%. So 73% of the time it's women initiating the divorce. So let's remove men from the equation. Let's look at lesbian couples. What we should see if men are the problem is the divorce rate should be lower. The divorce rate's exactly the same.

>> 73% divorce rate amongst women. So when women don't have men to blame, they're getting divorced at the same rate, which might indicate that it's not all men that's causing this divorce to happen. It's not. And by the way, I'd say probably half the time it is a shitty dude who's fallen short. And the other half the time it's a girl who basically who got a message on Facebook from her ex-boyfriend or or bumped into a cute guy at the at the mall who's better looking or richer than her boyfriend and she just decided she just wants to find herself and go on a journey. I think divorce is no more likely. 73% of divorce is initiated by women, and I think the majority of the time it's because women are pickier than men, which is an evolutionary adaptation. And because of that, that's the reason why they're getting divorced. And because women are being exposed to higher and higher status men because of social media and dating apps, their belief in what they can, they can get is is is skewed. Remember, men, it's the most attractive woman I can get to have sex with me. For women, it's the highest status man I can get to commit to me. And they've confused one for the other. I know one woman that has been engaged three or four times, and they like, "No, this guy just didn't want you sleeping with other men." That's the only reason he gave you, and he's got four other engagement rings he's giving to other people. And then the other part is this incredible disillusionment that I've seen a lot of times with women where they're dating like they're not, there's 10 guys, they're not interested in eight of them, and then the two guys they are interested in, they can't conceive of all the other women that are also interested in those two guys, and they don't realize that like they're not going to be able to lock those guys down. They'll definitely be able to have sex with them. They'll definitely be able to have sex with them. They won't be able to lock those guys down. And so we get into this place where it's, it's a small group of men that are getting attention from a larger group of women, and a large group of men that are getting no attention from anyone.

>> What does the evolutionary science say about monogamy? Are we designed to have multiple partners?

>> Yeah, this, this is we still debate this, and I don't know why. This has been settled, you know, probably 40 years ago. Uh, monogamy and polygamy are both the states of natural states for Homo sapiens. The na, the natural state for human beings. And if you guys want to go watch my interview with Dr. David Buss, I said this, he agreed with me completely. He said, "Homo sapiens is a lifetime of polygamy interspersed with periods of monogamy." That's the correct answer. We still debate this over and over again. There are three, there are 5,000 species of mammals on this planet, two gender mammals on this planet. 3% of them do any pair bonding. Meaning most of the time, if you put a male cat and a female cat together, they're just going to have sex. They don't need to like get to know each other. Same thing with, you know, bats, ducks, like mo, most two gender species, there's no pair bonding. You just, you're just whoever, um, whoever's in front of you, you're going to breed with. For Homo sapiens, we do pair bond, right? So, but the idea that like the natural state is for us to have monogamy. Let me ask you a question. Are there any laws on the books to force you to eat food?

>> No.

>> Are there any laws on the books to force you to breathe air?

>> No.

>> Why not? Why aren't there laws on the books? Are there laws on the books that force you to have sex with your wife?

>> No. No.

>> Why are there no laws for that? Because those things are natural.

>> Are there, if you're in a Middle Eastern country and a woman, uh, cheats on her wife or cheats on her husband, what happens to her?

>> Die. Maybe.

>> She gets stoned.

>> Why do I have to pass laws to keep people from cheating? Because cheating, because not cheating is not natural. You don't have to pass laws for things that are natural. You have to pass laws for things that are not natural. If monogamy was the natural state for human beings, there wouldn't be so many punitive damages for cheating. In the military, you can be busted down a rank. In the United States, if you cheat on your wife, you can lose half in a divorce. And in certain countries, in the Middle East, a woman is stoned for cheating on her husband. Why would you need to pass laws to keep people from cheating if cheating wasn't natural? You see the point?

>> And if cheating is natural, then monogamy cannot be the natural state for human beings. But this, I mean, this has been debated a hundred times, and it's very clear what the answer is. The answer is both. It's periods of monogamy interspersed in a lifetime of polygamy.

>> So why would you say these high status men, whether you're a billionaire or someone that's very wealthy, can be in those monogamous relationships?

>> Or at least that we know without having issues.

>> And so, so it's how can you do it? Here's the

>> Those that have all the options that choose to be with something that's not natural.

>> Well, I think so. Satoshi Kanazawa has this book called The Intelligence Paradox, and he goes over the fact that higher IQ men are more likely to cheat. And it's, it's really interesting. Uh, people who earn more are actually more likely to cheat. However, couples that are richer are more likely to stay together. Um, here's the thing. Each individual man is different. I think there's a, there's a really interesting survey that goes over testosterone serum in men and how likely they are to cheat. And I'm sure you know the answer. More testosterone a guy has, the more likely they are to cheat. There's also another survey that goes over the lifetime sexual partners or people who use anabolic steroids, and it's like seven times the, the average for everyone else. It's crazy numbers.

>> So here's, here's the answer. The answer is, I what I would expect is if you're a man and you have a really, really high status and a lot of women are throwing it at you, you're going to have some experience with women, but if you have too much, it will damage you. It will, the data is pretty clear on this. Um, if a man has been with 500 women, it's going to be very difficult for him to be in a committed relationship. Does that make sense?

>> Yeah.

>> Um, the same thing is obviously the, the same for a woman. The, um, the, I can't, the GSS does a survey with 8,000 women, and they survey women based on whether or not they have cheated in a marriage. It's an anonymous survey. About 30% of the women admit to cheating in a marriage. And they compare the number of lifetime sexual partners before marriage for the women who didn't cheat and the women who did. And the women who did cheat had 230% more sexual partners than the women who didn't cheat.

>> So interesting.

>> So the thing is, having being very promiscuous damages men and women's ability to stay faithful in a in a marriage, to stay faithful in a relationship, but it's twice as deleterious for women. Again, more, more offensive content here that I can back up with data. It's like that's why I said before, women do not need a lot of experience with men to get better at dating. Men do need experience.

>> Harmful based.

>> Yes, exactly. Well, it's harmful for both, but it's almost twice, it's almost twice as harmful for women than it is for men. And so, so when I say that with men, can you be the playboy and then end up with the good girl? I've seen more than 100 examples of that. I have. If you're the woman and you're like, can you be the porn star and then end up with a good guy? I have yet to see an example of that. I have, I know one example of a happily married couple, but she still films with other men, and he's fine with it. I'm not fine with that. That would not be me. I love the two of them, but I'm not going to be, I'm not cool with that. And so, um, I will say it, what I think the, the, the key is, is having a full complete understanding of women and then knowing what your standards are as a man, and then finding a woman who makes your life better in every way. And if you have that, I think that's a woman you can be faithful to.

>> Um, I think I think that's that's the case. I don't cheat. I'm very honest. If I'm with a girl and I want to see another woman, I'm very honest with her and I'll tell her that I want to do that, which is why I generally avoid like monogamous relationships mainly because I just don't want to lie. I just do not want to be a dude who lies to other people ever. So, but other guys I've seen before, they'll get into these monogamous relationships, and it's, it's difficult for them. And the thing is here, this is going to, this is another thing that's probably going to trigger some people in your audience.

>> Um, most men don't cheat. The vast majority of men don't cheat. Oh, there's a lot of women very angry hearing me saying that right now. The vast majority of men do not cheat. The problem is most women don't notice the vast majority of men. The guy who gave you your Chick-fil-A, the assistant manager at the Walmart, you're not considering whether he cheats or not because you don't even see him if you're a woman. And if you count those men, you find out the vast majority of men do not cheat. And so that's why the whole cheating thing, while it's a paradox, what happens is you have women who are of, you know, average or above average looks, dating men who are very appealing to the opposite sex for a, a myriad of reasons, and then confused why those men want to see multiple women. It's because she's dating out of her tax bracket. That's basically what's going on.

>> That's fascinating stuff, man.

>> Out of her weight class. Yeah.

>> Yeah. Weight class for sure. Yeah.

>> Um, what would you say? So, if I'm an average man listening to this, you know, maybe I have a $60,000, $80,000, $100,000 job and I love your content. I'm looking to level up. I'm looking to attract high value women. I'm looking to increase my bank account. I'm looking to get in better shape. Like, what would be the steps? What order would you take to getting to that higher man status?

>> The number one way to show status with the lowest perceived effort. What do you think it is?

>> More girls are

>> How do you find me?

>> Social media.

>> Yes. The number one way to show highest perceived to show the highest level of status with the lowest perceived effort is social media. Another thing people hate when I, I'm 47 years old. I'm a retired military officer. Do you think I want to use social media? Of course not. But I'm a [ __ ] of what works. And so fixing your social media to where you just look relevant and competent is a massive, massive increase, way more than any dating app. The number one dating app in the world is Instagram. Instagram, 55% women, 45% men. All dating apps have more men than women with the exception of one, Christian Mingle. Christian Mingle has 51% women and 49% men. It's obviously because the women think that they're going to settle down with some guy, but the dudes on there are just as [ __ ] horny and and devious as as the other dating apps. So, um, so, uh, go back to what we were talking about before. Um, what, what you should do, number one is fix your [ __ ] Instagram. That's the first thing we tell guys when they come to the program. Also, because fixing your Instagram when you don't want to do it, one of the talents I teach you, remember the first thing I said is giving yourself permission and not worshiping at the altar of worthless people and their worthless opinions. What I teach you to do is how do I do the thing when I don't want to do the thing. Going to the gym when you want to go to the gym is not impressive to me. It's going to the gym when you don't want to go to the gym. It's approaching the woman when you don't want to go to, approach the woman. When guys are like, in state, in state means they're full of confidence and they want to go talk to women. When you go talk to women when you're in state, that's not impressive to me. It's talking to women when you're not in state. It's giving a speech on stage when you don't feel like doing it. Doing the thing when you don't feel like it is the skill set I teach in my program. Doing, getting up and doing the thing. Taking care of your family when you want to stay in bed. That's the thing I teach you. Determination and obsession in order to be successful. That's the thing that you'll, you know, you learn from the course. So, um, the, the original question, oh yeah, the things that you do to make yourself more, um, appealing. So fixing your Instagram even when you don't feel like doing it. Number two is building a list. So like how some people might have a list of, you know, on your refrigerator, you might have a picture of a Lamborghini, a dream board, a vision board, a six-pack abs, whatever it is on your vision board. I have a vision board of people I want to collect. So generally for me, I have guys start out with 2,000 female influencers and 200 guys that they want to network with. And these would be the 200 guys that if you had a hypothetical podcast, you would want on your podcast. And so I have them create that list. And I teach you how to create the list of beautiful women that are in your local area. It's very simple. And, and for the guys who are pretty well, who are more well-to-do, I actually teach them how to train a VA to do this for them. Uh, and then secondarily, um, the guys that you want to network with that can help you level up your business or just be guys that are more motivated, maybe in better shape. You are the sum of the five people that you hang out with the most. Step number three is to get open threads. So what I'll do is I create, I have a myriad of events that you can invite people to. They're my events or your events or whoever's. And you invite people to those events, and you do so you're just offering value. That's all you're doing. And most of the time, most people will say no. And when they do, you have an open thread with them. They're not in the request folder anymore on social media, on on Instagram. And now you can invite them to future events. Often what I'll have is like, there's, um, and here's, here's the part that blows people's minds. You don't have to be able to go to the event, and the girl doesn't have to be able to go to the event. I have frequently invited girls to parties in Miami I'm not going to, and they can't go to, and the girl still says thank you. And now I have an open thread with them. Getting thousands of open threads with people. Again, we can teach you how to do this with the VA. And then the, the fourth step is having six female friends that you go out to different places with. I was the first person, uh, in this space, I'm sure other people have said this before, but I was the first person in this space back in 2008 saying the number one way to meet beautiful women is to have a ton of female friends. Um, a lot of guys in the red pill community and the pickup community called me names for over a decade, saying that what I'm saying was homosexual, that it was every insult they could possibly come up with. And then what, and then after they saw the bikini competitions, they were like, "Oh, oh, he's right." Now, you'll see all over the internet dating coaches being like, "You need female pivots, female wingmen." I've been saying this for 16 years. Most of my, my, I have whenever I go out to different venues, I usually have anywhere between six and 20 girls with me. Some of them are platonic. Some of them are I'm dating. And when I do so, every woman comes up, wants to know who I am, comes up and talks to me. Approaching a beautiful woman with another beautiful woman with you is an incredible cheat code. There's no data supporting any other conclusion than the one I just said. Having an army of beautiful women introducing you to more women. So, there's three things you get from female friends. And some guys hate that term, female friends, because they're like, I can't be friends with women. So, we'll say female teammates so that you don't gnash your teeth together or clinch your butthole. You female teammates. If you have female teammates, they give you three things. Number one, they acclimate you to your, your dream girl. If I introduce you to your dream girl and you don't have an experience with women, you're going to blah, blah, blah. You're going to fumble the bag. You don't know what to do. I can very quickly, guys join my program, and I put them in front of their dream girl in three weeks, and they're like, "Yo, I didn't know what to do." I'm like, "I know you don't know what to do. You don't have because you don't have a bunch of female friends. You don't have experience." Number two, it gets you in incredible locations. It gets me hosting Swimsuit USA at the Playboy Mansion. Gets me speaking on stage at different conferences. It gets me on trips with with millionaires and billionaires and and discussing ideas that is helping me with my business. That's what women give you access. There's a great book by Professor Ashley Mirs who's a sociologist from Boston University. It's called Very Important People, and she talks about the networking that goes on in the Hamptons. You know, the Hamptons in New York State, right? And this is, this is some of the best networking you can imagine. Some of the wealthiest people in the entire world are living in the Hamptons. What was the way every guy got into every party? It was only one way. You were a guy,

>> Girlfriend.

>> Only way you got into every party in the Hamptons was by bringing women. It was never because of money. You didn't buy tickets to these things. So, the men who had women around them got access to the best networking opportunities. Dr. David Buss in The Evolution of Desire, his book talks about men who had stronger networks throughout history have always had higher access to sexual selection and higher access to resources. Throughout history, this has been the case. And so I just bang this into guys' heads. I'm like, having a ton of females with you, a female army, it's so my ex-girlfriend, I remember, uh, I was, I was hosting a bikini competition, and I told these four girls I was friends with, I was like, "That is the hottest girl here. Like, I think she's amazing." They go to a bar, they bump into her, and they just start bragging about me to her the entire time. I show up. I have to do nothing. Nothing. When you have a, when you have beautiful women just telling their friends how [ __ ] awesome you are, it's not even dating anymore. It's a joke. You don't have to go on dates. Like none of that. So that's the third thing. Having female teammates, they introduce you to other women.

>> Takes a lot of pressure off the man as well because he's not trying to get with them. He's trying to enroll them on his team.

>> Absolutely. So one other thing we did is we started surveying beautiful women, mostly under under under 25, no tattoos, no OnlyFans, whatever. We started asking them, "How did you meet the last three to five guys that you dated?" And all of them said the same thing. They said, "A girl introduced me." Some of them said, "A guy introduced me." And all of them said the first thing they did when they meet that new dude, you know what they looked at? His Instagram. 100% of the women said that. So, what I'm describing to you is not only what we are scientifically showing you works in order for you to date beautiful women, it's also how beautiful women are saying that they're meeting the men that they're dating. None of them. When I was at Swimsuit USA, and I, I've done this several times at several different places. How do you meet the last five guys you dated? None of them. None of them said cold approach at a bar. Not a single one. None of them said dating apps except one. She bumped into a guy she went to elementary school with, and they matched on a dating app and started seeing each other. Like, young attractive women do not need dating apps to meet men. That's not where they're meeting them. And they're not going to nightclubs anymore. You have to create the events. If there is no scene, you create a scene. You watch NFL football.

>> Yeah.

>> You have Barry Sanders who makes everybody miss, and you have Bo Jackson who just runs you over. Sometimes you can make, you can create yards by dodging people. And sometimes it doesn't matter who's in front of you. You're going to run them over. If there is no scene, you create a scene. If you live in Spokane, Washington, and there's no cool parties, you're the one who creates the parties. But here's the great part. You've got no competition. You're not like in Biscayne where some guy pulls up his, he he literally like you have your yacht, and he pulls up in a bigger yacht in Biscayne Bay, and he's like pissing off the side of the yacht on your yacht while the girls are getting off the yacht jumping on you. You don't have that. That's not what happens. What happens in Miami that's not going to happen in Wichita, Spokane, or Waco. It's not going to happen there. So that's why guys in really small towns do super well in my program because they create a scene and they have complete and total monopoly.

>> It makes a lot of sense, man.

>> Dude, this has been great. Masterclass. You got the receipts. You're very well-read. Uh, my last question for you, my friend, I appreciate you being on. Is if you can go back in time back to when you just got out of the service. I know you know you're kind of in and out of the nightlife, but what would the advice today be to that person back then?

>> So people, I, this, I've heard this question several times on several different podcasts, and, um, a lot of times the answers to the questions are, they're good, but they're always like, believe in yourself. You know, when you fall down, get back up.

>> Invest in Bitcoin. Invest in Bitcoin. Right?

>> I'm going to give you that. Like, invest in Bitcoin is a lot closer. If I could go back and talk to myself, I'd be, get addicted to audiobooks. Start listening to audiobooks at double or triple speed so that you can get through the information as quickly as possible. Uh, live where you work and get the most refined, uh, work-life schedule you can. I live in a building where my office is, my studio, and my gym is in the same building. I get it tons of work done. Read The One Thing by Gary Keller. Incredible book. Read Back by Buy Back Your Time by Dan Martell, and just focus on massive levels of efficiency. That's probably been the most incredible thing for me. And then the other thing is like, take your health seriously earlier than later. Like, really, like understand concepts like macros and, and intermittent fasting, things like that. There's just incredible benefit. But the number one thing I would say, and this is kind of past, is find mentors. Mentors are more important than anything else. Um, I remember Tai Lopez told me this like 10 years ago. He goes, "The, the trick for me is I just find mentors." You'll notice one other thing that's different is that I keep quoting books and I keep quoting people who have had success other than me. You'll see a lot of gurus who don't do that. They're like, like Joe Dispenza is a great example. He acts as if he created meditation, right? He did not. But for me, I'm always going to give attribution to the person who came up with the idea before me. I'm just a signpost to help you get to that place, and I'm going to go there with you. I'm going to hold your hand while we're going to that place where you can have a lot great or experiences. And when you come on our group calls, there's a hundred other guys on there that are like cheering you on, holding you accountable, giving you feedback. One of the greatest things about, uh, my community is that I never have to worry again about being in a situation where I don't know what to do with my business, or I don't know what to do. You know that real tough question you have? What do I do with this girl? What do I do in this situation? I never have to worry about that again. I have a network of men who are so incredibly successful and obsessed with success and obsessed with dating the woman of their dreams that whenever I talk to them, we just have a conversation, a pow-wow, and I always know what the right answer is, and I never, I'm never going to have to go back to the point where I don't know again.

>> Love it, dude. Standing on the back of giants.

>> Yeah.

>> Uh, Mike, where can people find you? Maybe they want to get in your course, get into your program, just get connected.

>> Uh, go to Michael Sartine on Instagram. That's the easiest place to find me. You can also find me, Michael, uh, Michael Sartine Podcast on, uh, TikTok because they hate me and they've taken down some of my accounts because they don't really, don't like evolutionary psychology on on TikTok. Uh, I lost Sart, Michael Sartine on TikTok or on Twitter. It's called Sartine Podcast now because a bunch of white nationalists had my account taken down. They reported me for something because I got into a debate with Nick F. Like, it's a bunch of crazy stuff happened. But you can find me at Michael Sartine. If you guys want to just learn about the program, go to mammentoring.com. Uh, and you guys can see the program there, you know, in its its true value. But Michael Sartine on Instagram is probably the easiest way to find me.

>> Love it, brother. Thanks so much.

>> Thank you, man. Appreciate it, guys. We'll see you next week. Appreciate you tuning in.